July 14, 2026 • 29 mins
Sean Hannity pays tribute to the late Lindsey Graham, sharing personal memories and highlighting remarks from Senator Graham’s sister following her appointment to the U.S. Senate. Former Clinton adviser and Harris Poll Chairman Mark Penn joins the program to discuss the direction of the Democratic Party, the rise of progressive candidates, and several key Senate races across the country. The conversation explores socialism, political extremism, and the challenges facing both parties heading into the next election cycle. Sean also takes listener calls for an extended discussion on government, healthcare, and political philosophy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Sean Hannity Show told Free it's eight hundred and nine
to four one, Sean, you want to be a part
of the program so earlier today.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Now we have a.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
New interim senator in the great state of South Carolina.
Lindsey's Graham's sister, who I've gotten to know and know well.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Unbelievable story.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Their parents die, Lindsay's parents, Lindsay and Darlene's parents die.
Darlene is thirteen years old and Lindsey now is. He
takes on the responsibility of raising his younger sister, as
she referred to him as a brother, a mother, a father,
all the above, and they were extraordinarily close. She is
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beyond lovely as a human being. The strength she showed
yesterday was unbelievable to me. Let me play a little
bit of this her remembering her brother.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I know Lindsay was loved in respect by many, and
I greatly appreciate the memories and even the funny stories
that have been shared. These shared experiences, along with our faith,
have gotten us through these past two very difficult days.
My brother was the most amazing person, outstanding leader, and
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just a genuinely good man. He was kind, and considerate
and loved by his family dearly. As I think everyone
would agree, Lindsay worked harder than anyone. He worked NonStop
to make our state, country, and world better.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And you know, before I did last night's TV show,
I spoke to her. I said, I don't want to
do anything that you would not like, and just to
be you know, respectful towards her and her family. But
to Lindsay, I knew was you know, I know everyone's
played the Kavanall cut, which I think was one of
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his finest moments in the US Senate, saving the nomination
single handedly of Justice Kavanaugh and just doing the right
thing because Democrats and he said say hi to Soda
my or say I had to you know, Elena Kagan
because I voted for them because I believe a president
has the right to choose the justice of their choice.
So we had a lot of credibility in what he
was doing and saying in that moment. But then there
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was Lindsay, like on the TV show and I played
this last night before I interviewed Tim Scott. You know,
this was Lindsay on Hannity saying bs Adam bull Shift
more times than we could even put together in a montage.
But listen, then they want to reward those people that
broke laws with your hard earned tax dollars and benefits right, yes, health,
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It's total.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I don't stop it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
We had the Abraham Accords where people were recognizing Israel
and dump Biden comes along again, tears it all up
and bragg Leticia James five hundred million dollar verdict against
the Trump family. This book needs to come to end.
I'm not gonna put up with this crap anymore. I'm
gonna sue. I'm gonna sue the hell out much people.
We're not going to stop. To the New York Times
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and the Washington Post, who haven't done a damn thing
to get to the bottom of any of this, who
won a pull surprise for spreading booth.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
We invite and always welcome back to the program. Mark Penn,
chairman CEO and chairman of the Harris Pole and former
advisor of Bill and Hillary Clinton. He sees what we see,
and that is a party that has become radicalized. But
you knew, Lindsey, you like, I mean, the two of
you had a lot in common as much as you
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got along with everybody that was willing to get along.
And that's why I respect you so much and respected
him so much.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
No, I think he played a tremendous role. And interestingly,
I remember back in the days when when Hillary Clinton
was a senator, he would raise Lindsey Graham for his
ease of work, and she would bashed Senator Schumer that
she is impossible to work with.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well, there's a lot of truth both of those things.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
We have been going over in great detail, and I'm
making the argument and you're a Democrat, You're a Clinton Democrat,
and you and I had many arguments on TV radio
over the years and then, but we've gotten to a
point where we're in a lot of agreement now, and
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that is the radicalization of the party. Look at Mamdani
and you know incumbents that he went directly after, and
the radical you know DSA candidates that think like him.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
One, you have AOC in the squad. You have this.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Idiot uh Tell Rico, and this another idiot, Al Saied
in Michigan running for office.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And then you have of course Grand Platner.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
What is so believable about the Platter situation is all
the things that Democrats say they stood against. You know,
they love to call Trump a Nazi and a fascist
in Gestapo. But the guy had a Nazi tattoo for
two decades, you know, mocking a US soldier. He doesn't
deserve to live. He was a self proclaimed communist, Mark Penn,
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you are not a communist. Takim praised him, you know
when he won the nomination. Tell me, where's the soul
of this party?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Now, Son? You had me at Nazi tattoo?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Okay, yeah, I mean it's pretty unfathomable.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Right, I mean should have been enough. Look, we all
know what was going on here. Somehow they got this
idea that you take completely unqualified people who have never
done anything in their lives, spouse socialist propaganda, and somehow
those are going to be the candidates that defeat someone who,
by the way, you know, Senator Collins, of all the
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different senators to try to retain, you know, in this fashion,
has always shown that she represents Maine, who's always been
willing to look at both sides, vote against her own party.
She's a model of kind of what you would think
a senator from a state like Maine would be. And
then to try to prop up a candidate who was
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obviously unqualified and then look, you look, we went through
a year where everybody said that Biden was confident and.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Qualified what he obviously wasn't.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
So it's almost you ever remember that thing from Star
Wars where they say, like, these are the droids you're
looking for?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
I mean, this is the.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Game that they've played, and they've played almost reasonably successfully
in the number of instances for a long time here,
and it really was shameful in this case. He was
unqualified from day one, and anybody could have seen it.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
There is no excuse for.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Believing why the deafening silence? But with the exception of
one guy, John Fetterman, nobody else that I know of
in the Democratic Party, especially the Democratic so called hierarchy,
you know, leaders in name only like Chuck Schumer, who
came jefferies, why are they Why is there silence so deafening?
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They've got to know this is nuts because over the
years I can play that they had very different positions
than all of these lunatics that are now running in
their party.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well again, Son, you know the answer to this question.
You know that the left has basically terrorized almost all
the moderates, and that they all like be quiet, They
all are hoping, oh, I'm going to get their vote
for this speaker or to be speaker, or to be
in this position or what happened, which is not going
to happen either, and they're going to primary me and
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they're going.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
To throw me out.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And so just there are very few, you know, profiles
and courage, but those profiles and courage I think. I
think people are beginning to realize that the entire party
is taken over.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
By not just center left, but an extreme left wing.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Faction that that has an unbelievable set of beliefs to
start with junking the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
How do you look at somebody like James tell Rico
six gender tele Rico, do you know, by the way,
do you know what the other four are? Because I
can't find anybody that can identify that for me. But
if you know what they are, and I'll just shut
up and listen. I just want to learn, Mark, I
didn't know we had six gender. Do you know what
they are?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The answer is no. I'm not going to put you
on the spot. That's just not fair. You know, God
is non binary, and I mean, by the way that
you know he was he advocated for trans men to have.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Access to abortion.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do I need to go back to school and take
more biology classes.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
If I do, tell me, and I'll be glad to
do it.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Well, look, there's going to be another one of these
super expensive, multi hundred million dollars Texas races, and I
don't think it's going to come out any differently than
the other have come out.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So and by that you're talking about the Beto I
used to call him Bozo O'Rourke. And by the way,
the first race he ran, he didn't get exposed as
radical as he is. That happened later he did run
a tough race against Ted Cruz, and I remember going
down to Texas. I remember being on the campaign trail
with Ted Cruz, and trust me, they were worried. They
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were concerned because he was resonating, but he was able
to hide it the first time. Then it all started
kind of bubbling to the surface.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
How radical he was.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well, yes, and I think I think going an empty
suit he was sort of came out and it came
out more and more. But you're right, But I just
think you're going to have like a replay of something
between Beto one and two.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Huge expenditure.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
The state is close, a lot of partisanship on each side,
and I expect it will come out as it did
before and everyone will have wasted about two hundred and
fifth million dollars to get the same result.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Let's go to Michigan.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
El Sayed Number one, he's campaigning with this guy, Hassam Piker,
who said America deserved nine to eleven. That would not
be somebody you would ever want to be friends with.
More recently commenting, but I think it was about the
death of lindsing Gram. I don't quite remember, but you know,
you have clips of El Sayed, you know, talking about
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defunding the police, not funding them at all, defunding the police,
attacking ice, et cetera, et cetera. How does he do
in the state of Michigan. I think I know Michigan
pretty well. I love the people of Michigan. You know
a lot of hard working blue collar people. Are they
going to are they going to be drawn into that?
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Look, I think this is a critical test for the
for the Democratic Party. Right, Let's see what's going to
happen out of this primary. IL say it is leading
in the polls. I think everyone now with what's happened
in Maine has and alerted that he is the you know,
an equally extreme radical, you know kind of candidate who
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is very unlikely to win. And whether or not whether
or not he's going to win the primary is an
important choice. I mean, if he wins that primary, that
is going to show the DSA has real power with
Democrats even in Midwestern states. I don't think that extends.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
To the general election.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I think that's going to be, you know, a a
real problem. But I don't think his victory is completely
assured because I do think that a lot of the
party is waking up to this extremism and they could
stop it here in Michigan. I think this will be
a very important primary.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
If he does win, how does he do in a
general election against you know, somebody very conventional like my Rogers.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Well, look if he does, if he does win, and look,
let's remember the voters are really only voting on one issue,
the economy. You're in this and I guess there was
relatively good news today in the economy because there's only
people are upset about inflation. They hadn't really dealt with
it in twenty five years. They don't seem to be
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voting on the candidates as much as there is there
a concern about this. I think again, this will be
a big money race, you know, I definitely think that
it will. You know, you know, whatever Texas comes out,
this will be another I think two points. You know.
I think he's a far weaker candidate with more extreme views.
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And again it will be an opportunity for the Republicans
to show that that's not a path to victory for
the Democratic Party. And certainly, certainly I hope he doesn't
make it through the primary. I mean again, I think
it will be. It will be, it will be a
good statement if he does not make it through the primary.
If he makes it through the primary, you know, again,
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I don't think he's going to make it through the general,
but it's going to be another big money raise.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
All right, quick break, we'll come back more with Mark Penn.
He is, of course chairman of the Harris Pole, former
advisor of Bill and Hillary Clinton, but a moderate Democrat.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
More on the other side. Your call's coming up as well.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Eight hundred and nine four one, Sean, as we continue.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Keeping the truth alive. Nity is on right now.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
We continue now Mark Penn is with us, and he,
of course the chairman of the Harris Pole, former advisor
to Bill and Hillary Clinton, imposter for them. So if
this is now the new Democratic Party, the Party of
Platner and the Party of Elsayed and the Party of
Talla Rico and Mom Donnie and Grandpa Bernie and Pocahontas
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and aoc in the squad and every other quote Democrat
but for John Fetterman won't speak out against it, where
does that leave somebody like Mark Penn Well, uh, but
I could be I'm not being a jerk asking the question,
I promise.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Oh no, it's a fair question, you know. And I
think I think Elon Musk put out that very nice,
you know cartoon a while ago where it looks you know,
I was there at President Clinton. We did well for reform,
We did the crime bill, we did balanced budgets, We
did all of these things to put the country, you know,
with the Republicans in a bipartisan effort with Yu Giggrich,
they put the country on an incredible incredibly successful.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We balanced the budget nearly five years in a row.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And that was Newt and Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Yeah, I mean exactly, those incredible those incredible positions, none
of which would pass today's Democratic Party rap And there
are a lot of people who could not go back
to this party. And you've seen this before seventy two
eighty four.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It goes not like this, not with Nazi tattoos.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
No, yeah, you are right, this is this is far.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
This is a whole new level of crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And by the way, I'm not saying that there aren't
people you know, on the right that are nuts too,
Mark Penn, appreciate it, Thank you, sir. To our busy telephones,
we go New Mexico. Thomas, Sean Hannity Show, What's up, Thomas,
how are you hey?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Sean.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
You know, I've been listening to you guys, and you
guys seem pretty concerned about socialism and the takeover of
the Democratic Party. I'm a young socialist twenty six years
old out of the University of New Mexico. I thought
you might just appreciate this moment, you know, maybe question
a DSA member some of our goals career, what the
hell's going on here?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I've studied you extensively.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'm not sure why I would need to do that,
you know, define socialism in your words, define what does
it mean to you.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
I'm so grateful you asked that question, because if we
can do one thing for your viewers here, it's get
this straight. Socialism comes out of the.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We're on radio, these would be my listeners. But it's okay,
I know, we know what you mean.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, thank you. Well, you know, socialism comes
out of the French Revolution in the seventeen nineties and
kind of finalizes in the nineteen twenties or sorry, eighteen
nineties there, but sorry, seventeen nineties, eighteen twenties there, and
then we don't get communism until the eighteen forties. These
are two very different philosophies. Socialism is very broad. It
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exists everywhere. Some people even say here in America.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But well, socialism, it's technical definition advocate for collective or
government government ownership and control of the means of production.
It has taken on many forms, many manifestations, public collective
ownership as i e. Mamdani and wanting to confiscate private property,
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central planning, and a lot of heavy regulation. This idea,
this notion of equality of outcome, which is the antithesis
in my mind of freedom.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
The class battle.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, it's you know, the demonization of the wealthy,
the belief that you can take from one group of people,
empower government to take it and give it to another
group of people, and empower yourself in the process of
doing it. I don't care if it's you know, it's
historical context. It does matter versus capitalism. But you know,
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tell me why you think this would work.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Where is it? Where?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Where's the ideal example of your democratic socialist ideas that
work in your view?
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Well, I would say, even looking policy to policy, my
favorite team to go to is universal health care. The
entire developed world has some form of universal health care.
Or if I go to Denmark or France, or Sweden
or Spain, or the UK or Singapore, Australia or Canada's.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Canada is a great example, right they have single power plan.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
Yeah, you know, all of these countries have universal health care.
That's a difference.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Let me ask you, why do people in Canada that
have that coverage have to wait six months to a
year and sometimes longer to get serviced. Why do so
many Canadians leave their country come to the US and
pay out of their own pocket for treatment? Oh, for
things like heart disease, cancer, et cetera. Why do they
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come here?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Yeah? I think the reason Canadians find themselves leaving Canada
when they're looking for some of those specialized doctors and
machines is because in the US we have a system
that favors people who can pay for their own medicine.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No, it's not that, that's not The reason is because
they're going to be treated faster, treated better, and it's
worth every penny because time matters when it comes to
health What were the promises of Obamacare? If you want
to talk about healthcare, well, what would Obama promise?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
What?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He went around the country for a year pushing Obamacare? Obamacare, Obamacare?
What were the main promises he made? Do you remember?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
He promised that you could keep your doctor and that
your price.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Keep your doctor. Hold on, let's go through, keep your doctor,
keep your plan.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
Right, absolutely, No, that's no, you're and he.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Promised the average American would save twenty five hundred dollars
per family per year on average.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Correct, you're correct on that.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
But you're also going to leave out is that thousands
of Americans found health insurance because before.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
That, Okay, now we actually have the results are in
do you know what the results are?
Speaker 8 (19:39):
The results are that forty thousand Americans in two thousand
and nine from a Harvard medical study found that they
died every year because they just didn't have.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
No The results of the promises made by made about
socialized medicine in this country was called Obamacare, Keep you doctor.
Why did millions of Americans lose their doctors? Why did
millions of Americans lose their plans? Why is the average
American paying about on average three hundred plus percent more.
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Why is there forty plus percent of the country that
only has one only one Obamacare exchange option, take it
or leave it?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Why is that? Does that sound like success to you?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Actually, I would say so. I wish I had that.
Right now, I have no health insurance. I do qualify
for Medicaid. I'm actually waiting.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
You well, but you're not answering my question. The results
are in. You brought up the need for socialized medicine healthcare.
I brought up Obamacare. I said, what were the promises?
Now the results are in. Every promise that he made
and Democrats made was broken.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It failed.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Let me ask you another question, how do you feel
our educational system is doing government runs schools are doing
in terms of educating our kids. How do you think
how would you grade the school system in America that's
socialized government run right?
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Well, you know, I think we definitely it's impressive that
we spend more money on our schools than socialist countries
but have worse test scores. So we're clearly doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
At every turn we slow down, slow down, we said
something deep and profound. We actually spend more per capita
per student than any industrialized country, and we come in
regularly around thirty eight, thirty nine, forty forty one, forty
two in terms of results. Now would you say that
is a successful government run schools? Are they succeeding or failing?
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Based on that one number alone?
Speaker 8 (21:38):
I would say globally, other government run schools are doing
much better than us government run.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So we're failing in terms of government run schools. Now,
let me ask you, didn't our government didn't they promise
us that our social security money would be put away
in a lock box?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Did they make that promise?
Speaker 8 (21:55):
You know, our politicians seem to look.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The answer to the question is yes, they did. They
said they put that money away they wouldn't touch it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Did they keep that promise?
Speaker 8 (22:05):
You spend from it constantly, you spent it on wars.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, we rated the lock box and it's now headed
towards insolvency. And the same goes for Medicare and medicaid
in states. Are you aware they're headed for insolvency because
it got raided by greedy politicians.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Well, none of that socialism, unfortunately, that's actually just no.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Actually all of it is socialism in a way, because
I'm telling you is a place like Galvetz in Texas
that opted out of the social security system years ago
and people and they invested in the market, and the
people there are making infinitely more money when they retire
than people that stayed in the government run system.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
See, the problem is this.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I know I'm pressing you here because in theory I
get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But this is what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
You want to empower people like Mamdani, elected officials to
have the right to take from one group of people,
achievers that took the the opportunity of freedom and created
goods and services the people. You can't force them to buy.
I can't force people to listen to the radio show.
And you're going to take their money and empower your government,
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and they're going to make all these lofty promises. Here's
the problem with socialism, Marxism, communism, redistributionism, statism. And I'll
give you the final results everywhere it's been tried, is
you have unfulfilled promises every time, just like the ones
I mentioned here. In other words, they make promises, they
can't keep the New Green Deal, none of those promises
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would be kept.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
On top of that, you have.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Over time, so they fail and you have disappointment, and
you have more poverty than when you started. Then, when
it's all said and done, you've empowered these politicians to
take care of every aspect of your life, where rather
than you being responsible in your life and taking control
of your own life and taking advantage of something called freedom,
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which is a great gift and the natural state I
believe in our framers and founders believed of mankind, and
that is that we're endowed by a creator and.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
With natural rights.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And then the last part of it is then you
get to calculate how much how much freedom you gave
up in the name of false security and broken promises.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
That's the net result. No matter where.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You look at what it's been tried, whatever version has
been tried. And in spite of that history, you bragg
that you're a young socialist. You brag you're part of
the DSA. You wanted to come on this program and
lecture me how great your value system is. I just
happen to have studied your system up down in sideways,
because it always props up its head in some manifestation.
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So tell me, based on what I'm telling you, you
tell me why you still remain, you know, cling to
a system that has failed over and over again.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Why do you want to cling to failure.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
No, that's a good question, Sean, Thank you, thank you
for it. Well, what I would say is, at the
end of the day, you might be right on a
lot of your criticisms. We'll have to see how Mam
Donni does.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No, I'm right on all of them.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Sure you might.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I think you're probably a little surprised how much
I know about everything that we've tried in this country
that you would.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Define as socialist.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You asked me, why the way, where are the free
buses that Mam Donnie advocated.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
For my city of Albuquerque? They call our city asking
for advice, how to set up free busses like I
have here in Albuquerque. I live on Central, I use
it every day.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And where are they in New York City that he
can't afford them?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Well?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Why did New York City lose eleven billion dollars in
wealth in the last year?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Good question, Sean.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Why are people fleeing high tax states like New York,
New Jersey, Illinois and California?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Why are they leaving?
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Oh, the same reason teenagers are fleeing Texas and Alabama
for abortions. In my state, people go where they feel
like that.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, they're fleeing because focus on the topic. They're fleeing
because they have had it with burden, some regulation, high
taxation for states that believe in freedom. Let me ask
you this question, Thomas, how old are you?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I'm twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You're twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Do you believe as I do, that God created every man,
woman and child on this earth?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 6 (26:19):
No?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
I'm an atheist. Thank you for asking.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Though you're an atheist. You know what an atheist?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
If you're an atheist, you have to believe, you know,
science now shows those universes within universes within universes.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, well, you know there might be an ord No,
you did that as a fact. You know that right
that there.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Could be potential like multiple universes.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I know it so to be an atheist. Where where
did all of all of the energy for creation come from?
Because I would argue, you believe that something can come
from nothing, I.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Would say we have something, So that's suspicious. But I
don't think either you or me have a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Where did all Where did all of that energy come
from that built you universes within universes?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Where did it come from?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
The most scary futt.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
If it was if it didn't come from a god.
I believe God, the Father, Where did it come from?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Otherwise we don't know, and I don't think you do.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So you don't know, So you you you leave out
the possibility that something can come from nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
No, no, it's out there. I just don't think.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No, no, well, where did it come from?
Speaker 8 (27:22):
We don't know? Neither. You were mishan. It's it's a
it's a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But the bottom line is if you hold out the
possibility that it just came out of nowhere, that means
you actually hold out the belief that something can be
built out of nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
If that's true, it would be pretty incredible and strange.
But that's not unpredictable for our universe. I wouldn't pretend
to know what it's up to.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, where did the energy to build the universe come from?
Speaker 8 (27:45):
I mean again, you're you're kind of it's possible.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You believe something can come from nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
It's possible there actually was a creation. It could have
been a cat.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So there's possible that there's a god, a creator.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
It's possible that multiple Well.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I just turned you from an atheist into a.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
Well, agnostics leave the door open for Jesus.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And y'all, well, do you now leave the door open
that maybe a god created the energy, a.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Deity of some kind. It's possible it could have been anything.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
All right, So now I turned you in from an atheist.
You can now answer the question when I asked, I'm agnostic.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Well, will agnostics leave the door open for Jesus? And
I don't do that.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It has nothing to do a creator, God, the Father,
the creator of the heavens and the earth.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
I don't know what created the universe.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
And well, that means you're an agnostic, You're not an atheist. Listen.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You do sound like a nice young man, you do,
but I'm going to tell you something that might hurt
your feelings a little bit. Please don't take it the
wrong way. You are very naive and you're not very bright.
You've got to think through these things more. And I'm
going to urge you to do something. I'm going to
urge you to study socialism, not in a book, then
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festation of it and how the history of it is
one of failure after failure after failure, and look at
every government socialized program in this country and you'll find
out that everything I told you in those last twenty
minutes is true. But it was worth going through because
you sound like a nice kid, and you're you're very young.
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Winston Churchill famously said, if you're twenty and not a liberal,
you don't have a heart. If you're forty and we
have the same conversation, you don't have a brain. Okay,
So it gives you time to grow. And my prayer
is is that you grow, and it is a prayer. Okay,
my friend, Thank you, Sean.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
I've debated a lot of conservatives and I think You're
pretty fun to talk to, so I hope I get
to talk to Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm glad you called call back. I want you to
think about these things and call back.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
I have a good rescu DA Sean, al right, all
right
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You too, God bless you.
Hour two.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Sean Hannity Show told Free it's eight hundred and nine
to four one, Sean, you want to be a part
of the program so earlier today.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Now we have a.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
New interim senator in the great state of South Carolina.
Lindsey's Graham's sister, who I've gotten to know and know well.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Unbelievable story.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Their parents die, Lindsay's parents, Lindsay and Darlene's parents die.
Darlene is thirteen years old and Lindsey now is. He
takes on the responsibility of raising his younger sister, as
she referred to him as a brother, a mother, a father,
all the above, and they were extraordinarily close. She is
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beyond lovely as a human being. The strength she showed
yesterday was unbelievable to me. Let me play a little
bit of this her remembering her brother.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I know Lindsay was loved in respect by many, and
I greatly appreciate the memories and even the funny stories
that have been shared. These shared experiences, along with our faith,
have gotten us through these past two very difficult days.
My brother was the most amazing person, outstanding leader, and
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just a genuinely good man. He was kind, and considerate
and loved by his family dearly. As I think everyone
would agree, Lindsay worked harder than anyone. He worked NonStop
to make our state, country, and world better.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And you know, before I did last night's TV show,
I spoke to her. I said, I don't want to
do anything that you would not like, and just to
be you know, respectful towards her and her family. But
to Lindsay, I knew was you know, I know everyone's
played the Kavanall cut, which I think was one of
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his finest moments in the US Senate, saving the nomination
single handedly of Justice Kavanaugh and just doing the right
thing because Democrats and he said say hi to Soda
my or say I had to you know, Elena Kagan
because I voted for them because I believe a president
has the right to choose the justice of their choice.
So we had a lot of credibility in what he
was doing and saying in that moment. But then there
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was Lindsay, like on the TV show and I played
this last night before I interviewed Tim Scott. You know,
this was Lindsay on Hannity saying bs Adam bull Shift
more times than we could even put together in a montage.
But listen, then they want to reward those people that
broke laws with your hard earned tax dollars and benefits right, yes, health,
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It's total.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I don't stop it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
We had the Abraham Accords where people were recognizing Israel
and dump Biden comes along again, tears it all up
and bragg Leticia James five hundred million dollar verdict against
the Trump family. This book needs to come to end.
I'm not gonna put up with this crap anymore. I'm
gonna sue. I'm gonna sue the hell out much people.
We're not going to stop. To the New York Times
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and the Washington Post, who haven't done a damn thing
to get to the bottom of any of this, who
won a pull surprise for spreading booth.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
We invite and always welcome back to the program. Mark Penn,
chairman CEO and chairman of the Harris Pole and former
advisor of Bill and Hillary Clinton. He sees what we see,
and that is a party that has become radicalized. But
you knew, Lindsey, you like, I mean, the two of
you had a lot in common as much as you
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got along with everybody that was willing to get along.
And that's why I respect you so much and respected
him so much.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
No, I think he played a tremendous role. And interestingly,
I remember back in the days when when Hillary Clinton
was a senator, he would raise Lindsey Graham for his
ease of work, and she would bashed Senator Schumer that
she is impossible to work with.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well, there's a lot of truth both of those things.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
We have been going over in great detail, and I'm
making the argument and you're a Democrat, You're a Clinton Democrat,
and you and I had many arguments on TV radio
over the years and then, but we've gotten to a
point where we're in a lot of agreement now, and
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that is the radicalization of the party. Look at Mamdani
and you know incumbents that he went directly after, and
the radical you know DSA candidates that think like him.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
One, you have AOC in the squad. You have this.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Idiot uh Tell Rico, and this another idiot, Al Saied
in Michigan running for office.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And then you have of course Grand Platner.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
What is so believable about the Platter situation is all
the things that Democrats say they stood against. You know,
they love to call Trump a Nazi and a fascist
in Gestapo. But the guy had a Nazi tattoo for
two decades, you know, mocking a US soldier. He doesn't
deserve to live. He was a self proclaimed communist, Mark Penn,
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you are not a communist. Takim praised him, you know
when he won the nomination. Tell me, where's the soul
of this party?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Now, Son? You had me at Nazi tattoo?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Okay, yeah, I mean it's pretty unfathomable.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Right, I mean should have been enough. Look, we all
know what was going on here. Somehow they got this
idea that you take completely unqualified people who have never
done anything in their lives, spouse socialist propaganda, and somehow
those are going to be the candidates that defeat someone who,
by the way, you know, Senator Collins, of all the
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different senators to try to retain, you know, in this fashion,
has always shown that she represents Maine, who's always been
willing to look at both sides, vote against her own party.
She's a model of kind of what you would think
a senator from a state like Maine would be. And
then to try to prop up a candidate who was
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obviously unqualified and then look, you look, we went through
a year where everybody said that Biden was confident and.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Qualified what he obviously wasn't.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
So it's almost you ever remember that thing from Star
Wars where they say, like, these are the droids you're
looking for?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
I mean, this is the.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Game that they've played, and they've played almost reasonably successfully
in the number of instances for a long time here,
and it really was shameful in this case. He was
unqualified from day one, and anybody could have seen it.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
There is no excuse for.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Believing why the deafening silence? But with the exception of
one guy, John Fetterman, nobody else that I know of
in the Democratic Party, especially the Democratic so called hierarchy,
you know, leaders in name only like Chuck Schumer, who
came jefferies, why are they Why is there silence so deafening?
(07:14):
They've got to know this is nuts because over the
years I can play that they had very different positions
than all of these lunatics that are now running in
their party.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well again, Son, you know the answer to this question.
You know that the left has basically terrorized almost all
the moderates, and that they all like be quiet, They
all are hoping, oh, I'm going to get their vote
for this speaker or to be speaker, or to be
in this position or what happened, which is not going
to happen either, and they're going to primary me and
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they're going.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
To throw me out.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And so just there are very few, you know, profiles
and courage, but those profiles and courage I think. I
think people are beginning to realize that the entire party
is taken over.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
By not just center left, but an extreme left wing.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Faction that that has an unbelievable set of beliefs to
start with junking the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
How do you look at somebody like James tell Rico
six gender tele Rico, do you know, by the way,
do you know what the other four are? Because I
can't find anybody that can identify that for me. But
if you know what they are, and I'll just shut
up and listen. I just want to learn, Mark, I
didn't know we had six gender. Do you know what
they are?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The answer is no. I'm not going to put you
on the spot. That's just not fair. You know, God
is non binary, and I mean, by the way that
you know he was he advocated for trans men to have.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Access to abortion.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do I need to go back to school and take
more biology classes.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
If I do, tell me, and I'll be glad to
do it.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Well, look, there's going to be another one of these
super expensive, multi hundred million dollars Texas races, and I
don't think it's going to come out any differently than
the other have come out.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So and by that you're talking about the Beto I
used to call him Bozo O'Rourke. And by the way,
the first race he ran, he didn't get exposed as
radical as he is. That happened later he did run
a tough race against Ted Cruz, and I remember going
down to Texas. I remember being on the campaign trail
with Ted Cruz, and trust me, they were worried. They
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were concerned because he was resonating, but he was able
to hide it the first time. Then it all started
kind of bubbling to the surface.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
How radical he was.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well, yes, and I think I think going an empty
suit he was sort of came out and it came
out more and more. But you're right, But I just
think you're going to have like a replay of something
between Beto one and two.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Huge expenditure.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
The state is close, a lot of partisanship on each side,
and I expect it will come out as it did
before and everyone will have wasted about two hundred and
fifth million dollars to get the same result.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Let's go to Michigan.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
El Sayed Number one, he's campaigning with this guy, Hassam Piker,
who said America deserved nine to eleven. That would not
be somebody you would ever want to be friends with.
More recently commenting, but I think it was about the
death of lindsing Gram. I don't quite remember, but you know,
you have clips of El Sayed, you know, talking about
(10:25):
defunding the police, not funding them at all, defunding the police,
attacking ice, et cetera, et cetera. How does he do
in the state of Michigan. I think I know Michigan
pretty well. I love the people of Michigan. You know
a lot of hard working blue collar people. Are they
going to are they going to be drawn into that?
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Look, I think this is a critical test for the
for the Democratic Party. Right, Let's see what's going to
happen out of this primary. IL say it is leading
in the polls. I think everyone now with what's happened
in Maine has and alerted that he is the you know,
an equally extreme radical, you know kind of candidate who
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is very unlikely to win. And whether or not whether
or not he's going to win the primary is an
important choice. I mean, if he wins that primary, that
is going to show the DSA has real power with
Democrats even in Midwestern states. I don't think that extends.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
To the general election.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
I think that's going to be, you know, a a
real problem. But I don't think his victory is completely
assured because I do think that a lot of the
party is waking up to this extremism and they could
stop it here in Michigan. I think this will be
a very important primary.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
If he does win, how does he do in a
general election against you know, somebody very conventional like my Rogers.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Well, look if he does, if he does win, and look,
let's remember the voters are really only voting on one issue,
the economy. You're in this and I guess there was
relatively good news today in the economy because there's only
people are upset about inflation. They hadn't really dealt with
it in twenty five years. They don't seem to be
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voting on the candidates as much as there is there
a concern about this. I think again, this will be
a big money race, you know, I definitely think that
it will. You know, you know, whatever Texas comes out,
this will be another I think two points. You know.
I think he's a far weaker candidate with more extreme views.
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And again it will be an opportunity for the Republicans
to show that that's not a path to victory for
the Democratic Party. And certainly, certainly I hope he doesn't
make it through the primary. I mean again, I think
it will be. It will be, it will be a
good statement if he does not make it through the primary.
If he makes it through the primary, you know, again,
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I don't think he's going to make it through the general,
but it's going to be another big money raise.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
All right, quick break, we'll come back more with Mark Penn.
He is, of course chairman of the Harris Pole, former
advisor of Bill and Hillary Clinton, but a moderate Democrat.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
More on the other side. Your call's coming up as well.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Eight hundred and nine four one, Sean, as we continue.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Keeping the truth alive. Nity is on right now.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
We continue now Mark Penn is with us, and he,
of course the chairman of the Harris Pole, former advisor
to Bill and Hillary Clinton, imposter for them. So if
this is now the new Democratic Party, the Party of
Platner and the Party of Elsayed and the Party of
Talla Rico and Mom Donnie and Grandpa Bernie and Pocahontas
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and aoc in the squad and every other quote Democrat
but for John Fetterman won't speak out against it, where
does that leave somebody like Mark Penn Well, uh, but
I could be I'm not being a jerk asking the question,
I promise.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Oh no, it's a fair question, you know. And I
think I think Elon Musk put out that very nice,
you know cartoon a while ago where it looks you know,
I was there at President Clinton. We did well for reform,
We did the crime bill, we did balanced budgets, We
did all of these things to put the country, you know,
with the Republicans in a bipartisan effort with Yu Giggrich,
they put the country on an incredible incredibly successful.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We balanced the budget nearly five years in a row.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And that was Newt and Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Yeah, I mean exactly, those incredible those incredible positions, none
of which would pass today's Democratic Party rap And there
are a lot of people who could not go back
to this party. And you've seen this before seventy two
eighty four.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
It goes not like this, not with Nazi tattoos.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
No, yeah, you are right, this is this is far.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
This is a whole new level of crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And by the way, I'm not saying that there aren't
people you know, on the right that are nuts too,
Mark Penn, appreciate it, Thank you, sir. To our busy telephones,
we go New Mexico. Thomas, Sean Hannity Show, What's up, Thomas,
how are you hey?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Sean.
Speaker 8 (15:43):
You know, I've been listening to you guys, and you
guys seem pretty concerned about socialism and the takeover of
the Democratic Party. I'm a young socialist twenty six years
old out of the University of New Mexico. I thought
you might just appreciate this moment, you know, maybe question
a DSA member some of our goals career, what the
hell's going on here?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I've studied you extensively.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'm not sure why I would need to do that,
you know, define socialism in your words, define what does
it mean to you.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
I'm so grateful you asked that question, because if we
can do one thing for your viewers here, it's get
this straight. Socialism comes out of the.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We're on radio, these would be my listeners. But it's okay,
I know, we know what you mean.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, thank you. Well, you know, socialism comes
out of the French Revolution in the seventeen nineties and
kind of finalizes in the nineteen twenties or sorry, eighteen
nineties there, but sorry, seventeen nineties, eighteen twenties there, and
then we don't get communism until the eighteen forties. These
are two very different philosophies. Socialism is very broad. It
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exists everywhere. Some people even say here in America.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
But well, socialism, it's technical definition advocate for collective or
government government ownership and control of the means of production.
It has taken on many forms, many manifestations, public collective
ownership as i e. Mamdani and wanting to confiscate private property,
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central planning, and a lot of heavy regulation. This idea,
this notion of equality of outcome, which is the antithesis
in my mind of freedom.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
The class battle.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, it's you know, the demonization of the wealthy,
the belief that you can take from one group of people,
empower government to take it and give it to another
group of people, and empower yourself in the process of
doing it. I don't care if it's you know, it's
historical context. It does matter versus capitalism. But you know,
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tell me why you think this would work.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Where is it? Where?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Where's the ideal example of your democratic socialist ideas that
work in your view?
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Well, I would say, even looking policy to policy, my
favorite team to go to is universal health care. The
entire developed world has some form of universal health care.
Or if I go to Denmark or France, or Sweden
or Spain, or the UK or Singapore, Australia or Canada's.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Canada is a great example, right they have single power plan.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
Yeah, you know, all of these countries have universal health care.
That's a difference.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Let me ask you, why do people in Canada that
have that coverage have to wait six months to a
year and sometimes longer to get serviced. Why do so
many Canadians leave their country come to the US and
pay out of their own pocket for treatment? Oh, for
things like heart disease, cancer, et cetera. Why do they
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come here?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Yeah? I think the reason Canadians find themselves leaving Canada
when they're looking for some of those specialized doctors and
machines is because in the US we have a system
that favors people who can pay for their own medicine.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
No, it's not that, that's not The reason is because
they're going to be treated faster, treated better, and it's
worth every penny because time matters when it comes to
health What were the promises of Obamacare? If you want
to talk about healthcare, well, what would Obama promise?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
What?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He went around the country for a year pushing Obamacare? Obamacare, Obamacare?
What were the main promises he made? Do you remember?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
He promised that you could keep your doctor and that
your price.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Keep your doctor. Hold on, let's go through, keep your doctor,
keep your plan.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
Right, absolutely, No, that's no, you're and he.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Promised the average American would save twenty five hundred dollars
per family per year on average.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Correct, you're correct on that.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
But you're also going to leave out is that thousands
of Americans found health insurance because before.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
That, Okay, now we actually have the results are in
do you know what the results are?
Speaker 8 (19:39):
The results are that forty thousand Americans in two thousand
and nine from a Harvard medical study found that they
died every year because they just didn't have.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
No The results of the promises made by made about
socialized medicine in this country was called Obamacare, Keep you doctor.
Why did millions of Americans lose their doctors? Why did
millions of Americans lose their plans? Why is the average
American paying about on average three hundred plus percent more.
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Why is there forty plus percent of the country that
only has one only one Obamacare exchange option, take it
or leave it?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Why is that? Does that sound like success to you?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Actually, I would say so. I wish I had that.
Right now, I have no health insurance. I do qualify
for Medicaid. I'm actually waiting.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
You well, but you're not answering my question. The results
are in. You brought up the need for socialized medicine healthcare.
I brought up Obamacare. I said, what were the promises?
Now the results are in. Every promise that he made
and Democrats made was broken.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It failed.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Let me ask you another question, how do you feel
our educational system is doing government runs schools are doing
in terms of educating our kids. How do you think
how would you grade the school system in America that's
socialized government run right?
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Well, you know, I think we definitely it's impressive that
we spend more money on our schools than socialist countries
but have worse test scores. So we're clearly doing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
At every turn we slow down, slow down, we said
something deep and profound. We actually spend more per capita
per student than any industrialized country, and we come in
regularly around thirty eight, thirty nine, forty forty one, forty
two in terms of results. Now would you say that
is a successful government run schools? Are they succeeding or failing?
(21:35):
Based on that one number alone?
Speaker 8 (21:38):
I would say globally, other government run schools are doing
much better than us government run.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So we're failing in terms of government run schools. Now,
let me ask you, didn't our government didn't they promise
us that our social security money would be put away
in a lock box?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Did they make that promise?
Speaker 8 (21:55):
You know, our politicians seem to look.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The answer to the question is yes, they did. They
said they put that money away they wouldn't touch it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Did they keep that promise?
Speaker 8 (22:05):
You spend from it constantly, you spent it on wars.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, we rated the lock box and it's now headed
towards insolvency. And the same goes for Medicare and medicaid
in states. Are you aware they're headed for insolvency because
it got raided by greedy politicians.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Well, none of that socialism, unfortunately, that's actually just no.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Actually all of it is socialism in a way, because
I'm telling you is a place like Galvetz in Texas
that opted out of the social security system years ago
and people and they invested in the market, and the
people there are making infinitely more money when they retire
than people that stayed in the government run system.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
See, the problem is this.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I know I'm pressing you here because in theory I
get what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But this is what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
You want to empower people like Mamdani, elected officials to
have the right to take from one group of people,
achievers that took the the opportunity of freedom and created
goods and services the people. You can't force them to buy.
I can't force people to listen to the radio show.
And you're going to take their money and empower your government,
(23:14):
and they're going to make all these lofty promises. Here's
the problem with socialism, Marxism, communism, redistributionism, statism. And I'll
give you the final results everywhere it's been tried, is
you have unfulfilled promises every time, just like the ones
I mentioned here. In other words, they make promises, they
can't keep the New Green Deal, none of those promises
(23:36):
would be kept.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
On top of that, you have.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Over time, so they fail and you have disappointment, and
you have more poverty than when you started. Then, when
it's all said and done, you've empowered these politicians to
take care of every aspect of your life, where rather
than you being responsible in your life and taking control
of your own life and taking advantage of something called freedom,
(24:03):
which is a great gift and the natural state I
believe in our framers and founders believed of mankind, and
that is that we're endowed by a creator and.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
With natural rights.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And then the last part of it is then you
get to calculate how much how much freedom you gave
up in the name of false security and broken promises.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
That's the net result. No matter where.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You look at what it's been tried, whatever version has
been tried. And in spite of that history, you bragg
that you're a young socialist. You brag you're part of
the DSA. You wanted to come on this program and
lecture me how great your value system is. I just
happen to have studied your system up down in sideways,
because it always props up its head in some manifestation.
(24:52):
So tell me, based on what I'm telling you, you
tell me why you still remain, you know, cling to
a system that has failed over and over again.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Why do you want to cling to failure.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
No, that's a good question, Sean, Thank you, thank you
for it. Well, what I would say is, at the
end of the day, you might be right on a
lot of your criticisms. We'll have to see how Mam
Donni does.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No, I'm right on all of them.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Sure you might.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I think you're probably a little surprised how much
I know about everything that we've tried in this country
that you would.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Define as socialist.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You asked me, why the way, where are the free
buses that Mam Donnie advocated.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
For my city of Albuquerque? They call our city asking
for advice, how to set up free busses like I
have here in Albuquerque. I live on Central, I use
it every day.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And where are they in New York City that he
can't afford them?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Well?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Why did New York City lose eleven billion dollars in
wealth in the last year?
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Good question, Sean.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Why are people fleeing high tax states like New York,
New Jersey, Illinois and California?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Why are they leaving?
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Oh, the same reason teenagers are fleeing Texas and Alabama
for abortions. In my state, people go where they feel
like that.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, they're fleeing because focus on the topic. They're fleeing
because they have had it with burden, some regulation, high
taxation for states that believe in freedom. Let me ask
you this question, Thomas, how old are you?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I'm twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You're twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Do you believe as I do, that God created every man,
woman and child on this earth?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 6 (26:19):
No?
Speaker 8 (26:19):
I'm an atheist. Thank you for asking.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Though you're an atheist. You know what an atheist?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
If you're an atheist, you have to believe, you know,
science now shows those universes within universes within universes.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, well, you know there might be an ord No,
you did that as a fact. You know that right
that there.
Speaker 8 (26:35):
Could be potential like multiple universes.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I know it so to be an atheist. Where where
did all of all of the energy for creation come from?
Because I would argue, you believe that something can come
from nothing, I.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Would say we have something, So that's suspicious. But I
don't think either you or me have a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Where did all Where did all of that energy come
from that built you universes within universes?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Where did it come from?
Speaker 8 (27:02):
The most scary futt.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
If it was if it didn't come from a god.
I believe God, the Father, Where did it come from?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Otherwise we don't know, and I don't think you do.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So you don't know, So you you you leave out
the possibility that something can come from nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
No, no, it's out there. I just don't think.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No, no, well, where did it come from?
Speaker 8 (27:22):
We don't know? Neither. You were mishan. It's it's a
it's a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
But the bottom line is if you hold out the
possibility that it just came out of nowhere, that means
you actually hold out the belief that something can be
built out of nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
If that's true, it would be pretty incredible and strange.
But that's not unpredictable for our universe. I wouldn't pretend
to know what it's up to.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, where did the energy to build the universe come from?
Speaker 8 (27:45):
I mean again, you're you're kind of it's possible.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You believe something can come from nothing.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
It's possible there actually was a creation. It could have
been a cat.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So there's possible that there's a god, a creator.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
It's possible that multiple Well.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I just turned you from an atheist into a.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
Well, agnostics leave the door open for Jesus.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And y'all, well, do you now leave the door open
that maybe a god created the energy, a.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Deity of some kind. It's possible it could have been anything.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
All right, So now I turned you in from an atheist.
You can now answer the question when I asked, I'm agnostic.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Well, will agnostics leave the door open for Jesus? And
I don't do that.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It has nothing to do a creator, God, the Father,
the creator of the heavens and the earth.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
I don't know what created the universe.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
And well, that means you're an agnostic, You're not an atheist. Listen.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You do sound like a nice young man, you do,
but I'm going to tell you something that might hurt
your feelings a little bit. Please don't take it the
wrong way. You are very naive and you're not very bright.
You've got to think through these things more. And I'm
going to urge you to do something. I'm going to
urge you to study socialism, not in a book, then
(29:00):
festation of it and how the history of it is
one of failure after failure after failure, and look at
every government socialized program in this country and you'll find
out that everything I told you in those last twenty
minutes is true. But it was worth going through because
you sound like a nice kid, and you're you're very young.
(29:20):
Winston Churchill famously said, if you're twenty and not a liberal,
you don't have a heart. If you're forty and we
have the same conversation, you don't have a brain. Okay,
So it gives you time to grow. And my prayer
is is that you grow, and it is a prayer. Okay,
my friend, Thank you, Sean.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
I've debated a lot of conservatives and I think You're
pretty fun to talk to, so I hope I get
to talk to Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm glad you called call back. I want you to
think about these things and call back.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
I have a good rescu DA Sean, al right, all
right
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You too, God bless you.
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