July 3, 2026 • 43 mins
This episode is a fast-paced, highly opinionated conversation about the SAVE Act, Senate procedure, and why its supporters believe Republican leaders are stalling despite broad public backing. Lynda McLaughlin and Clint Brown argue that the Senate’s 60-vote filibuster shortcut is being used to avoid a simple up-or-down vote, and they frame the delay as a mix of political caution, conference pressure, fundraising concerns, and a desire to avoid tough votes or missed recesses.
The discussion also touches on John Thune’s role as Senate Majority Leader, the power he has to schedule a vote, and the belief that behind-the-scenes resistance inside the GOP is blocking action. They connect the issue to election integrity, voter ID, citizenship verification, and fears about organized manipulation of the voting system.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Rogue Recap. Hot takes, cold facts, and
zero respect for the official narrative. Sit back, roll your eyes,
and let's recap rogue style.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of The Rogue Recap.
I am Linda McLaughlan, your host, and I'm super stoked today.
Very rarely do I sam fangirly, but I am officially
fangirly today because I am a political nerd, and if
you're listening to the show, you know why. I'm also
a very angry nerd because I feel like people are
lying to us that should be on our side. We
have enough Democrats to kill us. Why are we killing
each other? So here to unpack a lot of this
(00:51):
with me is Clint Brown. He is the president of
American Path and he's the former executive director of the
US Senate Steering Committee. That means is he knows a
hell of a lot more than me about what is
going on in the Senate right now, and I think
a lot more than most of us. Clint, Welcome to
the show, my friend.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Thanks for having me, Linda, And you know I really relate.
I'm an angry nerd too, very angry about all the
stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's like I talked to people, I'm like, oh my god,
could you believe this today? Like, bro, what I'm likes
rulings three yesterday and did you hear about it? And
they're like, okay, yeah, I'm just trying to pay my mortgage.
I don't actually understand the rage. So right there with you, Yeah, bro,
it's heavy and it's you know, there's a lot of
people that are out talking about the Save Act. You know,
(01:36):
we're watching Scott Presler, God bless him, literally walking across
the country and getting shut out of you know, at
dinner the other night with his picture on the table
in South Dakota by Senate Majority Leader Thoon, which I
was like, some things are just like you have to
see them to believe them. Like you, I saw that
video over the weekend. I'm like, I what, I cannot
(01:58):
believe it. It's one thing to talk, it's another thing
to behave like it And that was like that was
a raising to a different level. But your post is
why you're here. So for those of you who don't
follow Clint Brown, that's your loss. It's dissident Clint. He
is terrific he is out there, he's talking about terrific things,
and he's breaking it down like nobody else. And this
(02:19):
weekend he very politely called out John Cornyn and explained
that while it may be difficult, what we're trying to
do with this save act is possible, and so I'll
bring up your post. You know, it's a little hard
to read on camera, but it was so good that
I had to actually convert it into an MP four
(02:39):
so that everybody could see it and read it for themselves.
And if you again, dissident Clint, guys, go out and
see it. But he literally responds to John Cornyan, and
Clint just tell us a little bit about you know,
what happened when you saw this post and what has
been the reaction since you had this incredible response to him.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, thanks so much for complimenting the posts when you know,
I didn't think anybody would actually see it. I'm not
used to having a lot of followers on X, but
these days it happens. Since Elon bought X, so I
saw Senator Cornyn's posts about you know, armchair geniuses opining
(03:19):
on Senate procedure and rules and that there's no way
we can do the Same America Act, and it just
struck a nerve with me because I always found Senator
Cornyan his redeeming quality was that he was dignified, and
this was undignified. It was uncalled for to call out
people who just want the Senate to do its job
(03:39):
and say that they don't know what they're talking about.
It was pretty condescending, frankly, and I get it, he's lost,
things aren't going well, he's maybe having a hard time.
But I wanted to point out the truth that there
are people with expertise commenting on this. Your viewers are
reading that kind of stuff, and they know what they're
talking about. Talking filibuster will work to pass the Save
(04:03):
America Act. We shouldn't pretend that it won't. But that's
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So let me ask you. Can you explain to people
who are not actively engaged in the Senate rules, procedural rules,
legislative acts, things like that, These are people that really
just I mean, it's such an interesting concept that the
Save America Act or the Save Act has over eighty
percent on a bipartisan measure. It's incredible that eighty percent
(04:33):
of Americans are saying, yes, please do this because people
on both sides of the aisle think that people on
the other side of it are stealing our elections. It's
a widely agreed upon measure, and yet we cannot get
it to the floor. How does this filibuster work and
what are the options? How does that happen?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah? Absolutely, And you know, the Senate is a game.
The rules of the game determine how you play it.
And it's a fun game if you really learn rules.
But a lot of senators and a lot of staff
don't learn the rules. They're kind of arcane and complicated
on the surface. When you think about it, it's simple, Okay.
(05:12):
Everything in the Senate typically passes by sixty votes. That's
what they always tell you. Oh, we don't have sixty
votes for this, we don't have sixty votes for that.
That sixty votes is a shortcut. Pass, go and collect
two hundred dollars and monopoly. It's a shortcut around the system.
Everything in the Senate is supposed to be unlimited debate.
(05:34):
You can debate it until you resolve the issue. The
shortcut is with sixty votes, you can put a time
limit on the debate. You can pass, go collect two
hundred dollars. So now they don't want to do anything
unless it has that sixty vote shortcut. But we could
just not take the shortcut. The Senate could debate it
(05:54):
until they're tired of debating, which, let's be honest, it
wouldn't be that long. The average age is one hundred
and five. They don't have that kind of I don't
have that kind of stamina, and I'm in my thirties,
so they certainly don't have that kind of stamina. It
would last, however long it lasts, and at the end
of it, you have fifty one votes for something that
is critical for our nation, for our national security, for
(06:18):
voter's confidence and self government, for the entire system. It's critical.
But they can't be bothered to not take the shortcut.
That's all. It comes down to a shortcut.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now, how do we? So this is where the rubber
meets the road, right, So I'm going to play a
couple of clips of our beloved Senator Mike Lee, which
I am constantly reposting and posting because I feel like
the thing that Mike Lee does that I find truly
impressive is he's always so level set. People are so
(06:50):
incredibly disrespectful to him on so many levels, and he's
always like, Wow, I'm very sorry you feel.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That way, and that's classic likely.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's incredible where I'm like, I'd be like, all right,
take my rings. It's gonna get real. He's so great.
And so he was on an interview on Fox News
Sunday with Shannon Breem and I'm going to play it
here in a minute, and it's clear that she has
been talked to by people who do not agree with us,
and it's like, there's no way you can do this.
How are you going to do this? You don't have
(07:20):
and he's just like, he just goes right at her.
I'm going to play it here. They say it would
take at least months.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Your response, Shannon, Days or weeks can feel like months
or years to United States senators who want to be
doing other things. The truth is we haven't tried what
I believe it takes to get the Save America Act passed,
which is to put it on the floor and to
say we're going to debate this four weeks and we'll
stay through weekends, we'll stay through previously scheduled recesses if necessary,
(07:48):
but we're going to stay on this bill until it passes.
Nothing sharpens the mind, nothing hastens agreement. Nothing will bring
about face saving and perfecting amendments quite like the obligation
to stay in and debate something that is popular with
the American people when filibustering senators trying to slow it
down are becoming steadily less popular in their arguments.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Perfect answer, right, couldn't ask for it to be more succinct? No, yeah,
he really is, and again, just so eloquent in the
way he presents that argument, and yet we can't get
it done. So now we have people now I will
not name names, so I don't put you in a
weird spot. However, there are people who are speaking out
(08:35):
and saying I'm a co sponsor, I agree with this,
but behind closed doors are saying, don't you dare bring
this to the floor.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
How do we get around these narcissists and roadblocks in
our own party? And what can we do to get
it to the floor. Not to mention, I mean, the
dang president was there having a closed door meeting saying
this is the only thing I care about. How do
we get it to the floor.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Absolutely, it's mind boggling that they haven't brought it to
the floor. Eighty percent of Americans agree with it, ninety
five percent of Republicans, seventy one percent of Democrats, the
President of the United States, the world's richest man, Elon Musk,
we all agree with it, and yet they can't seem
to be bothered to bring it to the floor. And
a couple things are happening here. The first is yes,
(09:22):
like you said, there are co sponsors who are behind
closed doors saying, please, don't do this. Whatever you do.
The Senate Majority leader, Senator John Thune, really has one
power that other senators don't have. That's to be recognized
first on the floor, which allows him to schedule votes. Okay,
(09:43):
that's it. So his one job is to schedule the vote,
and yet he won't do it. The reason he won't
do it is because what matters most to him and
anyone in his position. This is not a character flaw,
it's it's designed this way. What matters most to him
is the opinion of the members of his conference, and
(10:03):
too many of them are saying quietly, we can't do this.
We have to pass this other bill, we have to
pass we have to go on our you know, congressional
delegation visit to Monaco. We can't do this. But the
reality is part of it there And this is the
(10:24):
second part. They are lobbyists in their office every day
making these people are good at their jobs. Lobbyists get
paid a lot of money for a reason, making very
compelling arguments that you need to pass X Y Z
bill because it's good for your constituents. And they're hearing
this constantly and they can't be They can't bring themselves
to put those things off. This is the charitable argument.
(10:45):
They can't bring themselves to put those things off. For
the Save America Act, they miss the forest for the trees.
The Save America Act is critical. It's critical infrastructure of
the United States. That's the way I think about And
yet these other things are nice to have. Some of
them are really important, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but
(11:06):
you know what's not important is that Congressional delegation trip
to Monaco or wherever it is they're going. They could
cancel their recess, stay in and get the job done.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So what you're saying to me, also in a very
polite way, is that they're lazy and that they don't
want to miss their vacation. And since they don't want
to miss their vacation and their fancy trips and being
called stupid names like senator, they won't stay and have
the vote. Is what it really comes down to.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's exactly right. When they go on these congressional delegation trips,
they're treated like kings because they are United States senators
visiting a foreign.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Country on our dimetheless.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Often on our dime, yep, and it is it is.
It makes them feel very important. It feels like important work.
Sometimes it is important work, so it's easy to justify it.
It's a slippery slope in your mind that I need
to go on the trip. I scheduled it, I promised
i'd be there. I don't want to miss it. Some
of them want to go back and campaign. Totally get that.
(12:00):
You know what midterms, and you can tell me if
I'm wrong on this one, that midterms are all about
base voter turnout. If you don't give them something to
be excited about, it doesn't matter how many campaign rallies
you do, they're not going to show up.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Not to mention the fact that this has been one
I probably have and I'm not exaggerating. Fifteen shows on
the Save Act. I do a show a day. I
probably have fifteen shows on the Save Act because I
am completely and utterly mystified, and I have asked the
question of many Senators who I am at the liberty
of speaking to, who tell me things off the record.
(12:36):
But I'll say so, explain to me this. You have
the option to pass a bill that will one hundred
percent guarantee for the most part. Right, nothing's a guarantee.
I shouldn't say that, but for the most part. Yeah,
We're going to have American citizens born in America or
have a green card, who are actual citizens, have taken
it to the nation, are paying into a system by
(12:58):
which they will now have an opportunity to delegate how
those taxes are paid. YadA, YadA, YadA. And you're telling
me that you don't want to do that. How do
you think you're gonna win. You're not gonna win either.
And not only are you not gonna win, but when
you lose, no one will be there to cry for
your loss. If anything, they're gonna say, well, we told
(13:19):
you to pass this av Act. It's like these idiots
from the DSA that are winning in New York and
everybody's like, I don't know how they won. I'm like,
I'm sorry. Have you ever voted? Have you even seen
what voting is? In New York? It is a hot message.
People vote six seven eight times. They will come out
and tell you that they voted six seven eight times.
They'll bring people you've never seen before. They'll bring a
homeless person. Because you don't need to be in the roles,
(13:40):
you don't have to register. They're like, oh, I can't
find you, that's fine, just go in. It's insanity. And
I have voted many times in New York, so I
know exactly what it is. So it's not like one
of these things where like I've heard no, no, no, no.
I've been there, I've seen it. I've gone in as
a Republican and seen my ballot thrown out and had
(14:01):
to go back and say what are you doing? What
is that? And fighting and getting security involve. I mean,
I have been through it in New York. It's been
a disaster. But what I will say is, as Republicans,
I would think it would behoove them to actually have
the same Act in place to ensure that their elections
(14:22):
are won. Because the Democrats do not give a rip
and let me tell you something in their power that
filibuster is gone.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Out of here. That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
How you guys do this every day like this is
your job. You should know this. So I can't. I
cannot wrap my head around why it is that they
would not want it even if you had to miss vacation.
So you missed vacation this one summer. So let's talk
about that for one second, because I was shocked when
I heard this one of the things that people are
(14:52):
not paying attention to Senator Mike Lias and he posted
it the other day, God bless him that if we
don't have this done by the first week of all, guest,
it cannot be voted on because federal law has a
ninety day window that nothing can be done with regard
to voting ninety days before a federal election. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You know, I haven't looked at it myself, But if
Senator Mike Lee says that, you know, he is a
lawyer's lawyer and he has checked it inside and out,
it's I can you can bet on him, that's for sure.
You know. One thing with that is you make such
a great point about the DSA. Yeah, they know how
to game the system and they're communists, and I am
(15:37):
bursting at the seams to tell you you probably saw this.
But to remind your listeners, the FBI released intelligence earlier
this year that a lot of people missed. It was
it was publishing Fox, but a lot of people miss
it that showed that there's credible intelligence that the DCP
(15:57):
sent tens of thousands of fake drivers licenses to swing
states in twenty twenty with the intent of influencing the election.
Oh wow, the DSA communists and the CCP communists. We
think they won't join forces. I mean, it's absurd to
say it out loud, and of course they will. Of
(16:19):
course they will. It feels crazy, but of course they will.
We know how this works, and we also this actually happened.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
No, not only did it happen, but to your point,
I miss that. I remembered reading about the fact that
Tom Homan CBP had found ballots, pre signed ballots, and
other voting paraphernalia at the border, and that people were
bringing things across and I don't know now. Mind you,
there's a huge misconception as well about our southern border
(16:48):
and the fact that many of the people that are
coming across the southern border are Chinese nationals, their Middle
Eastern They're not all It's not like these people are
just coming from Mexico and Central America. There's a large
constituency of people that are being sent and it's it's
a deliberate being sent. It's like, Hi, you're going to
go in and you're going to steal X, Y and
(17:08):
Z and then you're going to come back home. Just
like the vote on birthright citizenship today, I mean, if
that's not a knock, what is it? And it really
is a misrepresentation of what our constitution and what our
framers intended for birthright citizenship it is it's really just
so manipulated and honestly, between Alito and Thomas today, the
frustration level, I mean, Amy Cony Barrett is just I mean,
(17:31):
what a disappointment every day all day. I just it is.
I get it. You adopt children from foreign countries. You
have some sort of bleeding heart for this issue. That's fine.
Can you read the English words on that document because
it has nothing to do with your feelings. That's where
I get very uncomfortable with this voting. You know, it's like, okay,
(17:53):
like AnyWho my point is in all of this is
that we have enough obstacles against us. What I'm trying
to understand is, how do we now we have the House,
just to jump for a second, we have the House
now saying they're going to attach this to their own bills,
bills that they know that the Senate wants to pass. Obviously,
reconciliation is one of these like talking things like, oh well,
(18:15):
attach it to reconciliation. But my understanding is that's not
a real thing because that it falls under the financial
jurisdiction of the Senate and actually can't be tagged on.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah? Yeah, so it would how they envisioned it originally,
when they started talking about this, I was like dead
side against it. I'm still dead set against it. Yeah,
Because what they would do is they would give grants
to states that have secure elections that clean up their
voter role and require voter ID and proof of citizenship. Okay, well,
(18:47):
that's just giving money to red states who don't need it.
They're already doing the job, right. And then you still
have California in New York electing actual DSA communists to
Congress with a very let's say, sketchy elections to do
(19:07):
what they're going to do and take over Congress, so
it has no effect whatsoever. And the problem with it
is they'll say, oh, we did the Save America Act.
We got it done. That's enough. We don't have to
do anything else. That's how Congress always does it. They
do a small thing and they pretend it's something, and
it's not something. It's nothing. You can't take ten percent
on this issue, You've got to take one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So let me ask you. So, we have one hundred
and eighty four days left in this twenty twenty six year.
We have fifty two I think it is working days
or something like that, and legislatively, I think they have
between like thirty and fifty days in the Senate to work,
(19:50):
which is insane. I don't know. I mean, clearly I
picked the wrong line of work. I'm like, how do
I get on this vac Asian plan that you people have?
Really scary? So another reason why, because we're looking at
this week right, we've got July fourth, and they're on
vacation till is it the thirteenth or something like that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think that's right, the thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I don't have the calendar in front of me, so
I'm spitball, but something like that. Then they're back for
like a few days, and then they're off again. And
then if Mike Lee is correct, and we've got this
first week of August deadline, which is what he posted up,
and he explained that it's just part of if there's
a general election, you cannot modify the changes to any
of our voting ninety days before that election. So if
(20:33):
we're looking at the first week of August, you know,
I don't I think the general election this year is
the fourth or the seventh, something like that, so that's
the first week of November. Then that would make sense.
But I'm trying to understand how we're going to get
this across the finish line. It's June thirtieth, right, and
these creeps are leaving part of my friend and they're
leaving and they don't care. So how what can we do? Clint?
(20:58):
What our next steps?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Next steps? Well, unfortunately, the Democrats will know that they
only have to last a couple of weeks once the
Senate comes back in. We have two options. Try to
force it through ahead of this election, see if we
can get it done. It's possible, right, You never know
until you try. Or we can keep working at this,
(21:22):
try to get it done out of the twenty twenty
eight election. Or I suppose, and I haven't looked at
it in detail, the law could be modified. It is Congress.
They do make the laws that may create political obstacles.
I don't know, but I suppose the law could be
modified on when elections can be affected, how many days before?
Those are all options.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So soon is the only one a Senate majority leader
who has the authority to make the schedule and to
change the schedule right right, So he could theoretically to
day say we're going to vote on this. Enough is enough, Fine,
you think you can do it, let's do it now.
President Trump says we have fifty three votes, not including
Vice President Vance. So if Vice President Vance was to
(22:09):
preside over the Senate and allow this to come to
a vote and we got to fifty three, we wouldn't
even need him. But that would be a miracle. I
think I'm not sure which of the rhinos. I know
it's not Murkowski, I know it's not Tillus. They could
care less Collins. May you know I always laugh about
(22:30):
Collins because Collins I have this tape of Collins from
when she was running for her first term, and she said,
I don't believe in being a career politician. I don't
believe in being in Senate for decades upon decades. I'm like, hmm, ma'am,
you know these these are moments or I need to
remind you. You know, Warner was the same way. I
guess they all are right. They walk in with, you know,
(22:51):
this ideology of all I'm going to make things different,
and it's all the same. But I am interested in
seeing if Collins would do it, and if there are
other people that will then come to the other side.
Because the fifty that are on board they know we're watching.
They know it, so they can't leave, right.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And Collin's, to her credit, is one of those fifty.
She has said yes that she supports the bill, and
you know, I've found her frustrating in her positions just
being honest. Yeah, but at least, and I've interacted with
her quite a bit. She is thoughtfulful, she's thinking, yeah,
and she does her homework, and there's no way you
(23:30):
can do your homework on this bill and not see
the urgency of it. That's very hard to do.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
The amount of lies if we can for just a moment.
I mean, I think the bill is like, is it
thirty pages?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Something, it's very short.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's very short. Okay, so you know, any sensible person,
let's just say it takes you a half an hour
to read and reread and sort of really thoughtfully process
what it is and all the things. Okay, we'll give
you that. We'll give you thirty minutes of your life.
You can't dedicate thirty I'm sure you've doom scrolled longer
than that. Like, give me a break. You're in this document.
And then we have people coming out saying, you know,
married women, it's gonna be really hard. I don't know
(24:05):
how they're gonna do it. I'm like, what's happening. Why
you're saying that it's so offensive? How It's like, like, yeah, minorities,
it's gonna be it's gonna be tough for them. We're
worried about them voting. What it is so insulting and
condescending on so many levels. And it's like we finally
get it past the House, not once or twice, but
three times with all that nonsense. Now it's in the
(24:28):
Senate and we can't get Fun to make this change?
How do we how do we make Fuon do that?
And I'm going to play a clip here. This is
Mike Lee again. I clearly have an affinity for his
position on this. But Mike Lee, you know, showing the
side by side of President Trump coming out with Rick
Scott and Senator Fun, who looked like he was super
(24:49):
stoked to talk to the press. I gotta tell you,
he was like, yes, let's do this, President Trump so
much and then like Barasso's like awkwardly in the middle.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I was like, there wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I was like, what are you doing here? I'm like,
you haven't said a word. You've been behind him the
whole time. I mean, it's like, anyways, let's play this quickly.
We'll talk on the other side.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Okay, So a lot has happened today, but I've got
a concern. We do have a lot to do, a
lot of work that needs to be done. The Save
America Act really does need to be passed. Why are
we taking a recess right now? Why on earth is
the Senate wanting to recess for two weeks? Now? I
(25:33):
get it. America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday is coming up.
That's great. It's all the more reason why we should
finish our work. It's all the more reason why we
should finish do everything we possibly can to pass the
Save America Act. Instead of recessing for two weeks, only
come back and work for a few weeks and then
recess for another five or six weeks after that. Why
(25:56):
why even bother to spend all this time and all
this effort campaigning and running for office. If when we
get here, we're constantly taking a recess, a recess at
a moment when the Republican Party controls the House and
the Senate and the White House, why why do we
do this? There's got to be a better way, a
(26:16):
way that doesn't constantly involve saying, oh wait, we got
to take a recess. We've got to leave the American
people that deserve better than this. They deserve to have
free and fair elections, and we got to fix it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's literally what we just said, So why are they
Why are they doing it? It really is just ego,
pomp and circumstance. We want to take our vacation. That's it?
Is that that what you think?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
That is it? And you know interestingly on this I
track pretty closely the systems and the Senate that alert
you when something is going to happen. Okay, and there's
a thing that can happen in the Senate called unanimous consent.
Your viewers are very educated on the stuff we know.
Forgive me for spelling it out, but unanimous consent. Any
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senator can go down to the floor and ask consent
to do something, and if no one objects, it happens.
They didn't send out the normal alert for this adjournment.
I looked, it was not there. So yeah, any senator
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could have gone down and objected, and we know some
would have, but they didn't. They didn't send out the
normal alert. A lot of people didn't realize they're objecting
normally they I mean adjourning Normally, they adjourn on a Thursday.
This past week, they adjourned on a Wednesday night, So
it was not expected if I had my days right there,
And and.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Why did they do that, Clint, Why did they adjourn
on Wednesday night?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Well, they wanted to get out of town. They felt
like they had done such a great job that they
deserved to go home. But they you know, if anybody
had objected, they would have simply had a vote and
voted to adjourn, and everyone would have been on record
is wanting to take this recess. And they didn't want
to be on record. That's why they didn't send around
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the alert. And so senators that had talked about not
adjourneying took a lot of heat for allowing the adjournal,
which is pretty unfair because they didn't want to adjourn.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So who sends out the adjournment?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It comes from an internal system and ultimately it's the
Majority leader that decides if they're going to make a
motion to adjourn, would be and some stafford sends the notice.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So said staffer was told by the Majority leader's office,
do not send that notice that we are adjourning.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
It could be and it could be that they didn't
even realize that the adjournment was going to happen because
it happened earlier than expected, so they didn't include it
in their usual notice. I hate to throw any staffer
under the bus because it's probably in their twenties.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, yeah, yeah, were doing what they're told to.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Do, right, We're not told Maybe they weren't even told
it was going to.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Happen, right, Okay, So that's corrupt.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well, something happened that was not on the up and up,
that's for sure. Yes, corrupt. You're right.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And I will say this and I don't know if
you can comment on this, but don't. I really don't
know all that much about food other than he's a
career like many others. And I've been doing a ton
of research into his family, his wife and his daughter specifically,
which ironically, so were a lot of other people. And
I started picking up on that research and I was like, so,
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we've got two women living in the house with this guy,
both Democrats, both giving to these packs that are funding
all of the people that we fight against on a
regular basis on the left, including Pelosi, and uh, why
is this happening? So to me, there's i mean, putting
aside the obvious, you know, Twitter fodder of oh, he
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was the only one wearing a blue tie at the lunch,
which clearly he didn't get the memo. Maybe that was
lost with the adjournment. Notice I don't know, but you know,
it was a little odd. But there's all this, you know,
rumor mill So I started researching. I'm like, is this true? Like,
because you can't believe everything you read you have to
do your you have to do due diligence. But his
daughter is that person. She is raising money much. I
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would say it's between eighty and ninety percent of it
go to Democrat candidates.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Not Republicans. You're telling me this for the first time.
I had not heard it. That's wild.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, well that would make
a lot of sense as to why John thun And
he's like, oh, my daughter, I'm so proud of her.
I'm like, uh, okay, it doesn't mean that your daughter
can't think differently than you. Obviously, not of us have
that in our family. So I'm willing to play devil's advocate,
even against myself as I say it. But like when
your wife and your daughter are like, yeah, yeah, we
hate Republicans, I'm like, I'm starting to feel like that's
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awkward for a fune. And maybe as we saw in
previous tweets and posts where he was Fourpence not Trump,
you know, he's obviously has you know. It's It's the
thing about social media is it doesn't go away, so
you can go back, you can look at those previous
posts and it looks like he wasn't always a huge
fan of our president, which is fine. Not everybody has
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to like everybody. But I feel like this one issue
is not a Trump issue. This is an America issue.
This is not about Trump because Trump's got a couple
more years and he's done this is this is about
a nation like do you have children? Do you have grandchildren?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Do you not care at all about That's that's kind
of like my pivot point of Okay, so we have
to get Thoon. He is the only person that can
change the schedule and bring this to the floor.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. You know, it's really you've got
to win over the Senators and the conference to get
through to do it. So, so who is that it's
a double secret?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Is that Kennedy? Is that? Like? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
You know, Haggarty is is great. I imagine he's a
warrior on.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
This, he said, He said as much to me as well.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, but as far as the specific people, you know,
it's really hard to say because they say in public
one thing and they say in private another. And I'm
not privy to those private conversations. But anybody who we frankly,
we should pressure them all. They should all be pressuring
Doom the more pressure our guys feel to do this,
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the more authority they'll have within the conference in cycle.
Republicans should certainly feel the heat on this, and they
may take the cornint approach that, oh, this is demoralizing
our base because they think we can do something that
we can't. That's not good enough. What's demoralizing the base
is that we haven't voted on it. So you know,
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I think pressuring everybody at this point is what it's
going to take. I do think we're closer than the
Washington establishment will give us credit for. You never know
where a senator stands until you put a binary choice
in front of them, because they will say something to
influence the outcome. If it's not a binary choice, they
want a third option. But if it's yes or no
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vote in the Save America Act, then you know where
they stand, right And I think that a lot of
them would really support this if they had the opportunity
to vote on it. We've seen it. They had the
opportunity and amendments and fifty of them voted for it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So yeah, I guess my question is, and you know,
I saw that John Cordon had put out this ridiculous
note he was so mad that, you know, he was
saying that the talking filibuster, you know, is ridiculous and
we can't do it and this is a waste of time.
And he listed all of these reasons. And I mentioned
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this before that he's got this beautiful stationary, you know,
with the letterhead of the Senate Seal and all the things.
And I'm like, you took all this time to write
down all the things that we can't do. Why don't
you take five minutes and talk about what we can do.
We could use a little help right now. And I
don't know if he's just mad like him and the
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other one, Cassidy, or so pissed off because they lost
and they're getting kicked out anyway. Maybe they just don't care.
But there, I mean, I give out the Senate number
two two two two four thirty one twenty one, Sad
that it's memorized, Sad that it's in my head again,
angry nerd. But I invite people to call all the time,
and it's I feel like it's just deaf ears, even me.
I mean, I've been in this game a very long time.
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I can talk to them one on one and they're like, yeah, Lynn, sorry, Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know what to do. Why
why don't you know what to do? That's literally your
job and they just won't do it. I just don't know.
You know. Fun is doing these closed door dinners and luncheons.
He's having interviews where they pre interview and they tell
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them what they're they can and can't ask, and then
he goes on and he does these BS interviews where
they never ask him about the Save America Act. And
then on the rare occasions when he's in those press
corps in the rotunda and they say to him, why
won't you do this? And he's like, well, their votes
aren't there. Well allow the talking filibuster. And he's just
like because the answer is yes, I can do that,
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And yes we could, and we could have a talking filibuster,
and we could have every Senator come up and defend
their position on why or why they would not vote
for the Save Act.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, and as.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
The American people were, what do we do other than
call that number? We have no recourse, right, we.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Have nothing voting pushing them. I think it all helps.
Every bit of noise helps.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What was really interesting to me about that stationary letter
that you just put up from corn In. That is
a pocket card that staffers prepare for their boss to
be able to have some talking points handy on an
issue because they're, you know, and fairness, they're jumping from
issue to issue. They're going from a meeting on fish
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farms one hundred percent that's happening to satellites to oh
Save America Act. So they need the talking points. It's
not a knock on hand, but the talking points are
what One why is he posting a picture of his
talking points? Two? They're wrong. A lot of staff and
senators don't know the rules of the Senate. He says
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that the Democrats will be able to offer unlimited amendments.
I think this is on that pocket card. But nonetheless
he said in another context that's not true. They would
be able to offer as many amendments as they want.
The Republicans could table each one. And the way they
frame this is for each new amendment that triggers new
speeches in the filibuster for Democrats, the Democrats will be
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limited to two speeches each. So at a certain point
you run out of time. Right, as long as they
can talk two times, that's it. But every amendment that
you add triggers two new speeches unless it is tabled,
and it can be tabled at fifty one votes with
no debate means no speeches. So any amendment that Democrats
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put up, Republicans like John Cornyn could vote to table it,
but that's not on the pocket card. It's just impossible.
We couldn't possibly do it because there'll be a number. Well,
there's only forty nine Democrats, which means there's only ninety
eight speeches, which is a limited time. Unless they had
amendments and Republicans don't table them. It doesn't make any sense.
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Why don't they know this? It's spelled out in black
and white and rules. There's only sixteen rules. It's not
that hard.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
So do you think that he knows that? And just so,
I guess my last time asking you this aside from.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Vacation, truly, these are people who are in like one
of the most powerful bodies of our government and they
don't want to vote for this only because of vacation
or is there some other like is it no, we're
not giving Trump this win?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It could be that, Oh yeah, it could be that.
For sure. There's some of them that do not want
to give Trump this whin. There's some of them that
they don't want to be forced into this long talking filibuster.
They spend themselves up into these ideas that voting to
table these amendments. Oh, the Democrats are going to put
up something really tough for us to vote against, like
we're going to vot against an amendment to give everybody
in America a puppy, And they'll run ads saying that
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we hate puppies. Well, no, they're not as good at
it as we ever think they are, the Democrats. It's
a base turnout election and Democrats know that. So what
they will put up is not gotcha amendments for Republicans,
maybe one or two, but they'll put up amendments that
excite their base, like I don't know, LGBTQ, handicapped, two
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spirited Native Americans get to vote three times. They'll put
up something ridiculous like that, and it will be very
easy for Republicans to vote to table it. That's going
to be the majority of it. But they're very deathly
afraid of having to take any tough votes. The reality
is that's a fundraising game, and they don't want to
spend their money defending those ads. They want to spend
their money, and they want people to spend money on
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them about the bills that K Street wants them to consider.
So they don't want to give up their vacation, but
they also don't want to give up the bills the
K Street wants them to consider. And I made the
charitable case for that earlier. The uncharitable case for that
is they have been given campaign donations. They raise a
lot of money, and I'm not against campaign donations from lobbyists.
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I'm not against lobbyists. I think they're very important. But
they raise a lot of money promising that things will
get done, and if you throw off the schedule, those
things don't get done.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
There's a lot of there's a lot of competing agendas,
and those competing agendas unfortunately put the American people last.
And my fear is that people are talking about Iran
and oil prices and everything else. None of that matters
as much as the Save Act. It really doesn't.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
That's right, That's exactly right. And I've heard from senators
we really have to focus on kitchen table issues, economic issues.
You do, but those people actually care if their vote
counts they do. That's their last line of defense. You
can fix the economic issues, but if they can't vote
to fix them in the future, then they feel like
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it's all in your hands and not in theirs.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And now you're electing people. And I'll end with this
because I really do think that this is an incredibly
important point. You know, Hassan Piker and this I'm going
to tie this in. You're going to go huh. Hassan
Piker was born in New Brunswick, New Jersey. He was
raised in Istanbul, Turkey. He was raised there until he
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was eighteen when he came back to the United States
to go to school and to vote and to do
all the things that he's doing. So he is the
exact example of birthright citizenship going awry, being raised in
a mindset against Western democracy, and now working with communists
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to take over local and federal seats in our government.
Whether you're an assemblyman to a senator, I mean we
have nine to eleven sympathizers from Hassan to this I
your host woman in Colorado to say Ed in Michigan.
You name it and it is. I mean, we are
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literally in a point of time right now where We're
looking at the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven,
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our nation, and
people are saying we deserve it. I'm not proud to
be American. And nine to eleven was a response to
all of your actions. That is what is going into
the House and Senate. That's why the SA Act matters.
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It's not about your trip to Monaco.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
No, And it boggles my mind that they don't understand
how fragile all of this is an actual Marxist Aslamist.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yes that psychopadical I said today on another show, I said,
you know what, I would like to see every single
one of these people who say we agree with the DSA.
There's a place for them in the Democrat Party. Okay,
here's what I'd like you to do, Chris van Holland,
why don't you go take a nice little spot over
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in Venezuela, spend a year there. Okay, then come back
in a year and tell me how bad the country is.
I would love to see that. You seem to like
to travel to visit gang members. I think that would
be a good fit for you. Go ahead, have a
great time. We'll see you later. That is what we
need them to do. Please go and get some life experience.
All these twenty five to thirty five year old candidates
talking about socialism. I mean, Kiro's off the beaten path
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just a little bit here, but Kiro's literally said today
she goes, you're a school bus, says the trains. It's
all socialism. It's all ma'am that Oh my god. I'm like,
what is happening. I'm like, no, that's not it. It's
called okay, you know what. Well, anyways, Clint Brown, you
are a pleasure. Guys. If you're not following Clint Brown,
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please follow him at Dissidant Clint, anywhere else they can
find out about you.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I keep it all on X.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
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Speaker 3 (43:04):
Thanks for having me
Welcome to the Rogue Recap. Hot takes, cold facts, and
zero respect for the official narrative. Sit back, roll your eyes,
and let's recap rogue style.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of The Rogue Recap.
I am Linda McLaughlan, your host, and I'm super stoked today.
Very rarely do I sam fangirly, but I am officially
fangirly today because I am a political nerd, and if
you're listening to the show, you know why. I'm also
a very angry nerd because I feel like people are
lying to us that should be on our side. We
have enough Democrats to kill us. Why are we killing
each other? So here to unpack a lot of this
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with me is Clint Brown. He is the president of
American Path and he's the former executive director of the
US Senate Steering Committee. That means is he knows a
hell of a lot more than me about what is
going on in the Senate right now, and I think
a lot more than most of us. Clint, Welcome to
the show, my friend.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Thanks for having me, Linda, And you know I really relate.
I'm an angry nerd too, very angry about all the
stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's like I talked to people, I'm like, oh my god,
could you believe this today? Like, bro, what I'm likes
rulings three yesterday and did you hear about it? And
they're like, okay, yeah, I'm just trying to pay my mortgage.
I don't actually understand the rage. So right there with you, Yeah, bro,
it's heavy and it's you know, there's a lot of
people that are out talking about the Save Act. You know,
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we're watching Scott Presler, God bless him, literally walking across
the country and getting shut out of you know, at
dinner the other night with his picture on the table
in South Dakota by Senate Majority Leader Thoon, which I
was like, some things are just like you have to
see them to believe them. Like you, I saw that
video over the weekend. I'm like, I what, I cannot
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believe it. It's one thing to talk, it's another thing
to behave like it And that was like that was
a raising to a different level. But your post is
why you're here. So for those of you who don't
follow Clint Brown, that's your loss. It's dissident Clint. He
is terrific he is out there, he's talking about terrific things,
and he's breaking it down like nobody else. And this
(02:19):
weekend he very politely called out John Cornyn and explained
that while it may be difficult, what we're trying to
do with this save act is possible, and so I'll
bring up your post. You know, it's a little hard
to read on camera, but it was so good that
I had to actually convert it into an MP four
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so that everybody could see it and read it for themselves.
And if you again, dissident Clint, guys, go out and
see it. But he literally responds to John Cornyan, and
Clint just tell us a little bit about you know,
what happened when you saw this post and what has
been the reaction since you had this incredible response to him.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, thanks so much for complimenting the posts when you know,
I didn't think anybody would actually see it. I'm not
used to having a lot of followers on X, but
these days it happens. Since Elon bought X, so I
saw Senator Cornyn's posts about you know, armchair geniuses opining
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on Senate procedure and rules and that there's no way
we can do the Same America Act, and it just
struck a nerve with me because I always found Senator
Cornyan his redeeming quality was that he was dignified, and
this was undignified. It was uncalled for to call out
people who just want the Senate to do its job
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and say that they don't know what they're talking about.
It was pretty condescending, frankly, and I get it, he's lost,
things aren't going well, he's maybe having a hard time.
But I wanted to point out the truth that there
are people with expertise commenting on this. Your viewers are
reading that kind of stuff, and they know what they're
talking about. Talking filibuster will work to pass the Save
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America Act. We shouldn't pretend that it won't. But that's
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So let me ask you. Can you explain to people
who are not actively engaged in the Senate rules, procedural rules,
legislative acts, things like that, These are people that really
just I mean, it's such an interesting concept that the
Save America Act or the Save Act has over eighty
percent on a bipartisan measure. It's incredible that eighty percent
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of Americans are saying, yes, please do this because people
on both sides of the aisle think that people on
the other side of it are stealing our elections. It's
a widely agreed upon measure, and yet we cannot get
it to the floor. How does this filibuster work and
what are the options? How does that happen?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah? Absolutely, And you know, the Senate is a game.
The rules of the game determine how you play it.
And it's a fun game if you really learn rules.
But a lot of senators and a lot of staff
don't learn the rules. They're kind of arcane and complicated
on the surface. When you think about it, it's simple, Okay.
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Everything in the Senate typically passes by sixty votes. That's
what they always tell you. Oh, we don't have sixty
votes for this, we don't have sixty votes for that.
That sixty votes is a shortcut. Pass, go and collect
two hundred dollars and monopoly. It's a shortcut around the system.
Everything in the Senate is supposed to be unlimited debate.
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You can debate it until you resolve the issue. The
shortcut is with sixty votes, you can put a time
limit on the debate. You can pass, go collect two
hundred dollars. So now they don't want to do anything
unless it has that sixty vote shortcut. But we could
just not take the shortcut. The Senate could debate it
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until they're tired of debating, which, let's be honest, it
wouldn't be that long. The average age is one hundred
and five. They don't have that kind of I don't
have that kind of stamina, and I'm in my thirties,
so they certainly don't have that kind of stamina. It
would last, however long it lasts, and at the end
of it, you have fifty one votes for something that
is critical for our nation, for our national security, for
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voter's confidence and self government, for the entire system. It's critical.
But they can't be bothered to not take the shortcut.
That's all. It comes down to a shortcut.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now, how do we? So this is where the rubber
meets the road, right, So I'm going to play a
couple of clips of our beloved Senator Mike Lee, which
I am constantly reposting and posting because I feel like
the thing that Mike Lee does that I find truly
impressive is he's always so level set. People are so
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incredibly disrespectful to him on so many levels, and he's
always like, Wow, I'm very sorry you feel.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That way, and that's classic likely.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's incredible where I'm like, I'd be like, all right,
take my rings. It's gonna get real. He's so great.
And so he was on an interview on Fox News
Sunday with Shannon Breem and I'm going to play it
here in a minute, and it's clear that she has
been talked to by people who do not agree with us,
and it's like, there's no way you can do this.
How are you going to do this? You don't have
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and he's just like, he just goes right at her.
I'm going to play it here. They say it would
take at least months.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Your response, Shannon, Days or weeks can feel like months
or years to United States senators who want to be
doing other things. The truth is we haven't tried what
I believe it takes to get the Save America Act passed,
which is to put it on the floor and to
say we're going to debate this four weeks and we'll
stay through weekends, we'll stay through previously scheduled recesses if necessary,
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but we're going to stay on this bill until it passes.
Nothing sharpens the mind, nothing hastens agreement. Nothing will bring
about face saving and perfecting amendments quite like the obligation
to stay in and debate something that is popular with
the American people when filibustering senators trying to slow it
down are becoming steadily less popular in their arguments.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Perfect answer, right, couldn't ask for it to be more succinct? No, yeah,
he really is, and again, just so eloquent in the
way he presents that argument, and yet we can't get
it done. So now we have people now I will
not name names, so I don't put you in a
weird spot. However, there are people who are speaking out
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and saying I'm a co sponsor, I agree with this,
but behind closed doors are saying, don't you dare bring
this to the floor.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
How do we get around these narcissists and roadblocks in
our own party? And what can we do to get
it to the floor. Not to mention, I mean, the
dang president was there having a closed door meeting saying
this is the only thing I care about. How do
we get it to the floor.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Absolutely, it's mind boggling that they haven't brought it to
the floor. Eighty percent of Americans agree with it, ninety
five percent of Republicans, seventy one percent of Democrats, the
President of the United States, the world's richest man, Elon Musk,
we all agree with it, and yet they can't seem
to be bothered to bring it to the floor. And
a couple things are happening here. The first is yes,
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like you said, there are co sponsors who are behind
closed doors saying, please, don't do this. Whatever you do.
The Senate Majority leader, Senator John Thune, really has one
power that other senators don't have. That's to be recognized
first on the floor, which allows him to schedule votes. Okay,
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that's it. So his one job is to schedule the vote,
and yet he won't do it. The reason he won't
do it is because what matters most to him and
anyone in his position. This is not a character flaw,
it's it's designed this way. What matters most to him
is the opinion of the members of his conference, and
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too many of them are saying quietly, we can't do this.
We have to pass this other bill, we have to
pass we have to go on our you know, congressional
delegation visit to Monaco. We can't do this. But the
reality is part of it there And this is the
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second part. They are lobbyists in their office every day
making these people are good at their jobs. Lobbyists get
paid a lot of money for a reason, making very
compelling arguments that you need to pass X Y Z
bill because it's good for your constituents. And they're hearing
this constantly and they can't be They can't bring themselves
to put those things off. This is the charitable argument.
(10:45):
They can't bring themselves to put those things off. For
the Save America Act, they miss the forest for the trees.
The Save America Act is critical. It's critical infrastructure of
the United States. That's the way I think about And
yet these other things are nice to have. Some of
them are really important, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but
(11:06):
you know what's not important is that Congressional delegation trip
to Monaco or wherever it is they're going. They could
cancel their recess, stay in and get the job done.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So what you're saying to me, also in a very
polite way, is that they're lazy and that they don't
want to miss their vacation. And since they don't want
to miss their vacation and their fancy trips and being
called stupid names like senator, they won't stay and have
the vote. Is what it really comes down to.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's exactly right. When they go on these congressional delegation trips,
they're treated like kings because they are United States senators
visiting a foreign.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Country on our dimetheless.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Often on our dime, yep, and it is it is.
It makes them feel very important. It feels like important work.
Sometimes it is important work, so it's easy to justify it.
It's a slippery slope in your mind that I need
to go on the trip. I scheduled it, I promised
i'd be there. I don't want to miss it. Some
of them want to go back and campaign. Totally get that.
(12:00):
You know what midterms, and you can tell me if
I'm wrong on this one, that midterms are all about
base voter turnout. If you don't give them something to
be excited about, it doesn't matter how many campaign rallies
you do, they're not going to show up.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Not to mention the fact that this has been one
I probably have and I'm not exaggerating. Fifteen shows on
the Save Act. I do a show a day. I
probably have fifteen shows on the Save Act because I
am completely and utterly mystified, and I have asked the
question of many Senators who I am at the liberty
of speaking to, who tell me things off the record.
(12:36):
But I'll say so, explain to me this. You have
the option to pass a bill that will one hundred
percent guarantee for the most part. Right, nothing's a guarantee.
I shouldn't say that, but for the most part. Yeah,
We're going to have American citizens born in America or
have a green card, who are actual citizens, have taken
it to the nation, are paying into a system by
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which they will now have an opportunity to delegate how
those taxes are paid. YadA, YadA, YadA. And you're telling
me that you don't want to do that. How do
you think you're gonna win. You're not gonna win either.
And not only are you not gonna win, but when
you lose, no one will be there to cry for
your loss. If anything, they're gonna say, well, we told
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you to pass this av Act. It's like these idiots
from the DSA that are winning in New York and
everybody's like, I don't know how they won. I'm like,
I'm sorry. Have you ever voted? Have you even seen
what voting is? In New York? It is a hot message.
People vote six seven eight times. They will come out
and tell you that they voted six seven eight times.
They'll bring people you've never seen before. They'll bring a
homeless person. Because you don't need to be in the roles,
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you don't have to register. They're like, oh, I can't
find you, that's fine, just go in. It's insanity. And
I have voted many times in New York, so I
know exactly what it is. So it's not like one
of these things where like I've heard no, no, no, no.
I've been there, I've seen it. I've gone in as
a Republican and seen my ballot thrown out and had
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to go back and say what are you doing? What
is that? And fighting and getting security involve. I mean,
I have been through it in New York. It's been
a disaster. But what I will say is, as Republicans,
I would think it would behoove them to actually have
the same Act in place to ensure that their elections
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are won. Because the Democrats do not give a rip
and let me tell you something in their power that
filibuster is gone.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Out of here. That's right.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
How you guys do this every day like this is
your job. You should know this. So I can't. I
cannot wrap my head around why it is that they
would not want it even if you had to miss vacation.
So you missed vacation this one summer. So let's talk
about that for one second, because I was shocked when
I heard this one of the things that people are
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not paying attention to Senator Mike Lias and he posted
it the other day, God bless him that if we
don't have this done by the first week of all, guest,
it cannot be voted on because federal law has a
ninety day window that nothing can be done with regard
to voting ninety days before a federal election. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
You know, I haven't looked at it myself, But if
Senator Mike Lee says that, you know, he is a
lawyer's lawyer and he has checked it inside and out,
it's I can you can bet on him, that's for sure.
You know. One thing with that is you make such
a great point about the DSA. Yeah, they know how
to game the system and they're communists, and I am
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bursting at the seams to tell you you probably saw this.
But to remind your listeners, the FBI released intelligence earlier
this year that a lot of people missed. It was
it was publishing Fox, but a lot of people miss
it that showed that there's credible intelligence that the DCP
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sent tens of thousands of fake drivers licenses to swing
states in twenty twenty with the intent of influencing the election.
Oh wow, the DSA communists and the CCP communists. We
think they won't join forces. I mean, it's absurd to
say it out loud, and of course they will. Of
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course they will. It feels crazy, but of course they will.
We know how this works, and we also this actually happened.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
No, not only did it happen, but to your point,
I miss that. I remembered reading about the fact that
Tom Homan CBP had found ballots, pre signed ballots, and
other voting paraphernalia at the border, and that people were
bringing things across and I don't know now. Mind you,
there's a huge misconception as well about our southern border
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and the fact that many of the people that are
coming across the southern border are Chinese nationals, their Middle
Eastern They're not all It's not like these people are
just coming from Mexico and Central America. There's a large
constituency of people that are being sent and it's it's
a deliberate being sent. It's like, Hi, you're going to
go in and you're going to steal X, Y and
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Z and then you're going to come back home. Just
like the vote on birthright citizenship today, I mean, if
that's not a knock, what is it? And it really
is a misrepresentation of what our constitution and what our
framers intended for birthright citizenship it is it's really just
so manipulated and honestly, between Alito and Thomas today, the
frustration level, I mean, Amy Cony Barrett is just I mean,
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what a disappointment every day all day. I just it is.
I get it. You adopt children from foreign countries. You
have some sort of bleeding heart for this issue. That's fine.
Can you read the English words on that document because
it has nothing to do with your feelings. That's where
I get very uncomfortable with this voting. You know, it's like, okay,
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like AnyWho my point is in all of this is
that we have enough obstacles against us. What I'm trying
to understand is, how do we now we have the House,
just to jump for a second, we have the House
now saying they're going to attach this to their own bills,
bills that they know that the Senate wants to pass. Obviously,
reconciliation is one of these like talking things like, oh well,
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attach it to reconciliation. But my understanding is that's not
a real thing because that it falls under the financial
jurisdiction of the Senate and actually can't be tagged on.
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah? Yeah, so it would how they envisioned it originally,
when they started talking about this, I was like dead
side against it. I'm still dead set against it. Yeah,
Because what they would do is they would give grants
to states that have secure elections that clean up their
voter role and require voter ID and proof of citizenship. Okay, well,
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that's just giving money to red states who don't need it.
They're already doing the job, right. And then you still
have California in New York electing actual DSA communists to
Congress with a very let's say, sketchy elections to do
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what they're going to do and take over Congress, so
it has no effect whatsoever. And the problem with it
is they'll say, oh, we did the Save America Act.
We got it done. That's enough. We don't have to
do anything else. That's how Congress always does it. They
do a small thing and they pretend it's something, and
it's not something. It's nothing. You can't take ten percent
on this issue, You've got to take one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So let me ask you. So, we have one hundred
and eighty four days left in this twenty twenty six year.
We have fifty two I think it is working days
or something like that, and legislatively, I think they have
between like thirty and fifty days in the Senate to work,
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which is insane. I don't know. I mean, clearly I
picked the wrong line of work. I'm like, how do
I get on this vac Asian plan that you people have?
Really scary? So another reason why, because we're looking at
this week right, we've got July fourth, and they're on
vacation till is it the thirteenth or something like that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think that's right, the thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I don't have the calendar in front of me, so
I'm spitball, but something like that. Then they're back for
like a few days, and then they're off again. And
then if Mike Lee is correct, and we've got this
first week of August deadline, which is what he posted up,
and he explained that it's just part of if there's
a general election, you cannot modify the changes to any
of our voting ninety days before that election. So if
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we're looking at the first week of August, you know,
I don't I think the general election this year is
the fourth or the seventh, something like that, so that's
the first week of November. Then that would make sense.
But I'm trying to understand how we're going to get
this across the finish line. It's June thirtieth, right, and
these creeps are leaving part of my friend and they're
leaving and they don't care. So how what can we do? Clint?
(20:58):
What our next steps?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Next steps? Well, unfortunately, the Democrats will know that they
only have to last a couple of weeks once the
Senate comes back in. We have two options. Try to
force it through ahead of this election, see if we
can get it done. It's possible, right, You never know
until you try. Or we can keep working at this,
(21:22):
try to get it done out of the twenty twenty
eight election. Or I suppose, and I haven't looked at
it in detail, the law could be modified. It is Congress.
They do make the laws that may create political obstacles.
I don't know, but I suppose the law could be
modified on when elections can be affected, how many days before?
Those are all options.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So soon is the only one a Senate majority leader
who has the authority to make the schedule and to
change the schedule right right, So he could theoretically to
day say we're going to vote on this. Enough is enough, Fine,
you think you can do it, let's do it now.
President Trump says we have fifty three votes, not including
Vice President Vance. So if Vice President Vance was to
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preside over the Senate and allow this to come to
a vote and we got to fifty three, we wouldn't
even need him. But that would be a miracle. I
think I'm not sure which of the rhinos. I know
it's not Murkowski, I know it's not Tillus. They could
care less Collins. May you know I always laugh about
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Collins because Collins I have this tape of Collins from
when she was running for her first term, and she said,
I don't believe in being a career politician. I don't
believe in being in Senate for decades upon decades. I'm like, hmm, ma'am,
you know these these are moments or I need to
remind you. You know, Warner was the same way. I
guess they all are right. They walk in with, you know,
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this ideology of all I'm going to make things different,
and it's all the same. But I am interested in
seeing if Collins would do it, and if there are
other people that will then come to the other side.
Because the fifty that are on board they know we're watching.
They know it, so they can't leave, right.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And Collin's, to her credit, is one of those fifty.
She has said yes that she supports the bill, and
you know, I've found her frustrating in her positions just
being honest. Yeah, but at least, and I've interacted with
her quite a bit. She is thoughtfulful, she's thinking, yeah,
and she does her homework, and there's no way you
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can do your homework on this bill and not see
the urgency of it. That's very hard to do.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
The amount of lies if we can for just a moment.
I mean, I think the bill is like, is it
thirty pages?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Something, it's very short.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's very short. Okay, so you know, any sensible person,
let's just say it takes you a half an hour
to read and reread and sort of really thoughtfully process
what it is and all the things. Okay, we'll give
you that. We'll give you thirty minutes of your life.
You can't dedicate thirty I'm sure you've doom scrolled longer
than that. Like, give me a break. You're in this document.
And then we have people coming out saying, you know,
married women, it's gonna be really hard. I don't know
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how they're gonna do it. I'm like, what's happening. Why
you're saying that it's so offensive? How It's like, like, yeah, minorities,
it's gonna be it's gonna be tough for them. We're
worried about them voting. What it is so insulting and
condescending on so many levels. And it's like we finally
get it past the House, not once or twice, but
three times with all that nonsense. Now it's in the
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Senate and we can't get Fun to make this change?
How do we how do we make Fuon do that?
And I'm going to play a clip here. This is
Mike Lee again. I clearly have an affinity for his
position on this. But Mike Lee, you know, showing the
side by side of President Trump coming out with Rick
Scott and Senator Fun, who looked like he was super
(24:49):
stoked to talk to the press. I gotta tell you,
he was like, yes, let's do this, President Trump so
much and then like Barasso's like awkwardly in the middle.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I was like, there wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I was like, what are you doing here? I'm like,
you haven't said a word. You've been behind him the
whole time. I mean, it's like, anyways, let's play this quickly.
We'll talk on the other side.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Okay, So a lot has happened today, but I've got
a concern. We do have a lot to do, a
lot of work that needs to be done. The Save
America Act really does need to be passed. Why are
we taking a recess right now? Why on earth is
the Senate wanting to recess for two weeks? Now? I
(25:33):
get it. America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday is coming up.
That's great. It's all the more reason why we should
finish our work. It's all the more reason why we
should finish do everything we possibly can to pass the
Save America Act. Instead of recessing for two weeks, only
come back and work for a few weeks and then
recess for another five or six weeks after that. Why
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why even bother to spend all this time and all
this effort campaigning and running for office. If when we
get here, we're constantly taking a recess, a recess at
a moment when the Republican Party controls the House and
the Senate and the White House, why why do we
do this? There's got to be a better way, a
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way that doesn't constantly involve saying, oh wait, we got
to take a recess. We've got to leave the American
people that deserve better than this. They deserve to have
free and fair elections, and we got to fix it.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's literally what we just said, So why are they
Why are they doing it? It really is just ego,
pomp and circumstance. We want to take our vacation. That's it?
Is that that what you think?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
That is it? And you know interestingly on this I
track pretty closely the systems and the Senate that alert
you when something is going to happen. Okay, and there's
a thing that can happen in the Senate called unanimous consent.
Your viewers are very educated on the stuff we know.
Forgive me for spelling it out, but unanimous consent. Any
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senator can go down to the floor and ask consent
to do something, and if no one objects, it happens.
They didn't send out the normal alert for this adjournment.
I looked, it was not there. So yeah, any senator
(27:23):
could have gone down and objected, and we know some
would have, but they didn't. They didn't send out the
normal alert. A lot of people didn't realize they're objecting
normally they I mean adjourning Normally, they adjourn on a Thursday.
This past week, they adjourned on a Wednesday night, So
it was not expected if I had my days right there,
And and.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Why did they do that, Clint, Why did they adjourn
on Wednesday night?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Well, they wanted to get out of town. They felt
like they had done such a great job that they
deserved to go home. But they you know, if anybody
had objected, they would have simply had a vote and
voted to adjourn, and everyone would have been on record
is wanting to take this recess. And they didn't want
to be on record. That's why they didn't send around
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the alert. And so senators that had talked about not
adjourneying took a lot of heat for allowing the adjournal,
which is pretty unfair because they didn't want to adjourn.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So who sends out the adjournment?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
It comes from an internal system and ultimately it's the
Majority leader that decides if they're going to make a
motion to adjourn, would be and some stafford sends the notice.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So said staffer was told by the Majority leader's office,
do not send that notice that we are adjourning.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
It could be and it could be that they didn't
even realize that the adjournment was going to happen because
it happened earlier than expected, so they didn't include it
in their usual notice. I hate to throw any staffer
under the bus because it's probably in their twenties.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, yeah, yeah, were doing what they're told to.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Do, right, We're not told Maybe they weren't even told
it was going to.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Happen, right, Okay, So that's corrupt.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well, something happened that was not on the up and up,
that's for sure. Yes, corrupt. You're right.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And I will say this and I don't know if
you can comment on this, but don't. I really don't
know all that much about food other than he's a
career like many others. And I've been doing a ton
of research into his family, his wife and his daughter specifically,
which ironically, so were a lot of other people. And
I started picking up on that research and I was like, so,
(29:27):
we've got two women living in the house with this guy,
both Democrats, both giving to these packs that are funding
all of the people that we fight against on a
regular basis on the left, including Pelosi, and uh, why
is this happening? So to me, there's i mean, putting
aside the obvious, you know, Twitter fodder of oh, he
(29:51):
was the only one wearing a blue tie at the lunch,
which clearly he didn't get the memo. Maybe that was
lost with the adjournment. Notice I don't know, but you know,
it was a little odd. But there's all this, you know,
rumor mill So I started researching. I'm like, is this true? Like,
because you can't believe everything you read you have to
do your you have to do due diligence. But his
daughter is that person. She is raising money much. I
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would say it's between eighty and ninety percent of it
go to Democrat candidates.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Not Republicans. You're telling me this for the first time.
I had not heard it. That's wild.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, And I was like, okay, well that would make
a lot of sense as to why John thun And
he's like, oh, my daughter, I'm so proud of her.
I'm like, uh, okay, it doesn't mean that your daughter
can't think differently than you. Obviously, not of us have
that in our family. So I'm willing to play devil's advocate,
even against myself as I say it. But like when
your wife and your daughter are like, yeah, yeah, we
hate Republicans, I'm like, I'm starting to feel like that's
(30:43):
awkward for a fune. And maybe as we saw in
previous tweets and posts where he was Fourpence not Trump,
you know, he's obviously has you know. It's It's the
thing about social media is it doesn't go away, so
you can go back, you can look at those previous
posts and it looks like he wasn't always a huge
fan of our president, which is fine. Not everybody has
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to like everybody. But I feel like this one issue
is not a Trump issue. This is an America issue.
This is not about Trump because Trump's got a couple
more years and he's done this is this is about
a nation like do you have children? Do you have grandchildren?
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Like?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Do you not care at all about That's that's kind
of like my pivot point of Okay, so we have
to get Thoon. He is the only person that can
change the schedule and bring this to the floor.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. You know, it's really you've got
to win over the Senators and the conference to get
through to do it. So, so who is that it's
a double secret?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Is that Kennedy? Is that? Like? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
You know, Haggarty is is great. I imagine he's a
warrior on.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
This, he said, He said as much to me as well.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, but as far as the specific people, you know,
it's really hard to say because they say in public
one thing and they say in private another. And I'm
not privy to those private conversations. But anybody who we frankly,
we should pressure them all. They should all be pressuring
Doom the more pressure our guys feel to do this,
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the more authority they'll have within the conference in cycle.
Republicans should certainly feel the heat on this, and they
may take the cornint approach that, oh, this is demoralizing
our base because they think we can do something that
we can't. That's not good enough. What's demoralizing the base
is that we haven't voted on it. So you know,
(32:38):
I think pressuring everybody at this point is what it's
going to take. I do think we're closer than the
Washington establishment will give us credit for. You never know
where a senator stands until you put a binary choice
in front of them, because they will say something to
influence the outcome. If it's not a binary choice, they
want a third option. But if it's yes or no
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vote in the Save America Act, then you know where
they stand, right And I think that a lot of
them would really support this if they had the opportunity
to vote on it. We've seen it. They had the
opportunity and amendments and fifty of them voted for it.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
So yeah, I guess my question is, and you know,
I saw that John Cordon had put out this ridiculous
note he was so mad that, you know, he was
saying that the talking filibuster, you know, is ridiculous and
we can't do it and this is a waste of time.
And he listed all of these reasons. And I mentioned
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this before that he's got this beautiful stationary, you know,
with the letterhead of the Senate Seal and all the things.
And I'm like, you took all this time to write
down all the things that we can't do. Why don't
you take five minutes and talk about what we can do.
We could use a little help right now. And I
don't know if he's just mad like him and the
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other one, Cassidy, or so pissed off because they lost
and they're getting kicked out anyway. Maybe they just don't care.
But there, I mean, I give out the Senate number
two two two two four thirty one twenty one, Sad
that it's memorized, Sad that it's in my head again,
angry nerd. But I invite people to call all the time,
and it's I feel like it's just deaf ears, even me.
I mean, I've been in this game a very long time.
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I can talk to them one on one and they're like, yeah, Lynn, sorry, Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know what to do. Why
why don't you know what to do? That's literally your
job and they just won't do it. I just don't know.
You know. Fun is doing these closed door dinners and luncheons.
He's having interviews where they pre interview and they tell
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them what they're they can and can't ask, and then
he goes on and he does these BS interviews where
they never ask him about the Save America Act. And
then on the rare occasions when he's in those press
corps in the rotunda and they say to him, why
won't you do this? And he's like, well, their votes
aren't there. Well allow the talking filibuster. And he's just
like because the answer is yes, I can do that,
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And yes we could, and we could have a talking filibuster,
and we could have every Senator come up and defend
their position on why or why they would not vote
for the Save Act.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, and as.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
The American people were, what do we do other than
call that number? We have no recourse, right, we.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Have nothing voting pushing them. I think it all helps.
Every bit of noise helps.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What was really interesting to me about that stationary letter
that you just put up from corn In. That is
a pocket card that staffers prepare for their boss to
be able to have some talking points handy on an
issue because they're, you know, and fairness, they're jumping from
issue to issue. They're going from a meeting on fish
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farms one hundred percent that's happening to satellites to oh
Save America Act. So they need the talking points. It's
not a knock on hand, but the talking points are
what One why is he posting a picture of his
talking points? Two? They're wrong. A lot of staff and
senators don't know the rules of the Senate. He says
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that the Democrats will be able to offer unlimited amendments.
I think this is on that pocket card. But nonetheless
he said in another context that's not true. They would
be able to offer as many amendments as they want.
The Republicans could table each one. And the way they
frame this is for each new amendment that triggers new
speeches in the filibuster for Democrats, the Democrats will be
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limited to two speeches each. So at a certain point
you run out of time. Right, as long as they
can talk two times, that's it. But every amendment that
you add triggers two new speeches unless it is tabled,
and it can be tabled at fifty one votes with
no debate means no speeches. So any amendment that Democrats
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put up, Republicans like John Cornyn could vote to table it,
but that's not on the pocket card. It's just impossible.
We couldn't possibly do it because there'll be a number. Well,
there's only forty nine Democrats, which means there's only ninety
eight speeches, which is a limited time. Unless they had
amendments and Republicans don't table them. It doesn't make any sense.
(37:11):
Why don't they know this? It's spelled out in black
and white and rules. There's only sixteen rules. It's not
that hard.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
So do you think that he knows that? And just so,
I guess my last time asking you this aside from.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Vacation, truly, these are people who are in like one
of the most powerful bodies of our government and they
don't want to vote for this only because of vacation
or is there some other like is it no, we're
not giving Trump this win?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It could be that, Oh yeah, it could be that.
For sure. There's some of them that do not want
to give Trump this whin. There's some of them that
they don't want to be forced into this long talking filibuster.
They spend themselves up into these ideas that voting to
table these amendments. Oh, the Democrats are going to put
up something really tough for us to vote against, like
we're going to vot against an amendment to give everybody
in America a puppy, And they'll run ads saying that
(38:03):
we hate puppies. Well, no, they're not as good at
it as we ever think they are, the Democrats. It's
a base turnout election and Democrats know that. So what
they will put up is not gotcha amendments for Republicans,
maybe one or two, but they'll put up amendments that
excite their base, like I don't know, LGBTQ, handicapped, two
(38:30):
spirited Native Americans get to vote three times. They'll put
up something ridiculous like that, and it will be very
easy for Republicans to vote to table it. That's going
to be the majority of it. But they're very deathly
afraid of having to take any tough votes. The reality
is that's a fundraising game, and they don't want to
spend their money defending those ads. They want to spend
their money, and they want people to spend money on
(38:51):
them about the bills that K Street wants them to consider.
So they don't want to give up their vacation, but
they also don't want to give up the bills the
K Street wants them to consider. And I made the
charitable case for that earlier. The uncharitable case for that
is they have been given campaign donations. They raise a
lot of money, and I'm not against campaign donations from lobbyists.
(39:14):
I'm not against lobbyists. I think they're very important. But
they raise a lot of money promising that things will
get done, and if you throw off the schedule, those
things don't get done.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
There's a lot of there's a lot of competing agendas,
and those competing agendas unfortunately put the American people last.
And my fear is that people are talking about Iran
and oil prices and everything else. None of that matters
as much as the Save Act. It really doesn't.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
That's right, That's exactly right. And I've heard from senators
we really have to focus on kitchen table issues, economic issues.
You do, but those people actually care if their vote
counts they do. That's their last line of defense. You
can fix the economic issues, but if they can't vote
to fix them in the future, then they feel like
(40:02):
it's all in your hands and not in theirs.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And now you're electing people. And I'll end with this
because I really do think that this is an incredibly
important point. You know, Hassan Piker and this I'm going
to tie this in. You're going to go huh. Hassan
Piker was born in New Brunswick, New Jersey. He was
raised in Istanbul, Turkey. He was raised there until he
(40:24):
was eighteen when he came back to the United States
to go to school and to vote and to do
all the things that he's doing. So he is the
exact example of birthright citizenship going awry, being raised in
a mindset against Western democracy, and now working with communists
(40:46):
to take over local and federal seats in our government.
Whether you're an assemblyman to a senator, I mean we
have nine to eleven sympathizers from Hassan to this I
your host woman in Colorado to say Ed in Michigan.
You name it and it is. I mean, we are
(41:07):
literally in a point of time right now where We're
looking at the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven,
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our nation, and
people are saying we deserve it. I'm not proud to
be American. And nine to eleven was a response to
all of your actions. That is what is going into
the House and Senate. That's why the SA Act matters.
(41:28):
It's not about your trip to Monaco.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
No, And it boggles my mind that they don't understand
how fragile all of this is an actual Marxist Aslamist.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yes that psychopadical I said today on another show, I said,
you know what, I would like to see every single
one of these people who say we agree with the DSA.
There's a place for them in the Democrat Party. Okay,
here's what I'd like you to do, Chris van Holland,
why don't you go take a nice little spot over
(42:01):
in Venezuela, spend a year there. Okay, then come back
in a year and tell me how bad the country is.
I would love to see that. You seem to like
to travel to visit gang members. I think that would
be a good fit for you. Go ahead, have a
great time. We'll see you later. That is what we
need them to do. Please go and get some life experience.
All these twenty five to thirty five year old candidates
talking about socialism. I mean, Kiro's off the beaten path
(42:25):
just a little bit here, but Kiro's literally said today
she goes, you're a school bus, says the trains. It's
all socialism. It's all ma'am that Oh my god. I'm like,
what is happening. I'm like, no, that's not it. It's
called okay, you know what. Well, anyways, Clint Brown, you
are a pleasure. Guys. If you're not following Clint Brown,
(42:45):
please follow him at Dissidant Clint, anywhere else they can
find out about you.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I keep it all on X.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Thank you guys for being with us. I am Lenna McLoughlin.
This is the Road Recap. Please follow us online at
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and we will see you next time.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
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