January 30, 2025 • 33 mins
Jon Scott, Host of FOX Report with Jon Scott every Saturday and Sunday at 6p ET on Fox News Channel who is a private pilot and Marine Corps Colonel William “Burner” Dunn (Ret), is a military attack helicopter pilot who has flown in and around Washington DC. He is President of Strategic Resilience Group, LLC and author of Gunfighters Rule! He founded the company in Sept 2015 after completing over 33 years in the United States Marine Corps join today to discuss the tragedy of last night's plane crash over the Potomac.
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We go back to President was just in the Oval
Office dealing with and he's right about this. We don't
know whether the DEI hiring practices of p Buddha Judge
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and the Harris Biden administration had any impact on this
particular case. We just don't know. We just know that
under Buddha Judge that they came up with language. It
was on the website of the FAA up until the
twenty second of January this year that they did have
up there very specific language that said people that suffer
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severe intellectual disability, psychiatric problem, and other mental and physical
conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out
the agency's website. Now, does that mean in any way
that this impacted what happened in this case.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Nobody knows. We don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
But the President went on to say what I was
saying is is that those criteria should not be a
factor in hiring anybody that is an air traffic controller
or works in the FAA. And now, learning from John Solomon,
just thenews dot com. The mid air collision between this
American Airlines passenger jet and this Army Blackhawk helicopter was
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preceded by months of near misses at airports all across
the country, as well as increasingly shrill warnings that the
nation's air traffic control and safety system was stretched to
the limit, and regulators acknowledged this that in twenty twenty
three there were nineteen serious their description near missus at
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US airports and that they could have been catastrophic, one
of the largest totals that we've had in years. And
only fourteen months before what happened last night at Reagan National,
the FAA received a safety expert report that warned America's
air traffic control system is suffering from quality control issues,
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staffing shortages. That's putting safety at risk. Now, what was
the president's point? He goes, you need various the top
people in these positions. And you know, he said he's
going to get to the bottom of it immediately, and
these DEI practices are finished. You have to hire the
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best people for the job. That's all there is to it.
And you know, things like this can be avoided, and
we want them to be avoided anyway. Joining us now
to discuss John Scott is with us, of course. John
hosts The Fox Report every Saturday and Sunday six pm
on the Fox News Channel. Been a colleague of mine
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my entire time at Fox News. He's a private pilot himself.
Marine Corps Colonel William Bernard Dunn is with us, a
military attack helicopter pilot who has flown in and around DC.
We welcome you both to the program. John, I'll start
with you. You've been a pilot for a long time. This
has been a passion of hers for a long time.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
It has. Yeah, I've loved aviation since I was a kid.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Yeah, let's talk about you know, first of all, John
Solomon's report is very alarming to me. There have been
all these near misses and at historic levels at airports
around the country. You know, that seems to now be
looking back in hindsight at the Canary and the coal mine.
But things like this really can be prevented if we
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take proper control of the skies. This is a preventable accident, right, and.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
Just about every aviation accident is preventable. You know. It's
rarely the situation where one thing happens that causes a
flight to go down. It's not, you know, normal for
a plane to go up in the wing, falls off
or something like that. If usually, one small mistake leads
to another, leads to another, leads to another. And I
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think some of that is clearly visible in what happened
last night and I'm sure it will be outlined in
the eventual in TSB report.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Yeah, and then let me bring in Marine Corps Colonel
William Bernard Dunn. Every aircraft has what's called a t
CAST system, a traffic collision warning system, and I'm just
a little bit surprised because in helicopters and in any
jet in this particular case, they have very sophisticated avionics
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and warning systems, and the redundancy is very and you
would imagine at some point that both the helicopter and
the airliner jet were being worn by the system and
somehow something didn't work in this case. Any theories of
what might have happened, or is this like most cases
when you have a crash, as usually, is pilot error
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or it could be air traffic control error.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
Yeah, Sean, thanks for having me. I watched the video
today of the impact. You know one thing, if you
have a TACASS and you're in an airport area, you
know that TACAST is going to be going off over
and over again. And it's very logical that sometimes a
pilot becomes very insensitized to it and may even turn
it off, which would not be necessarily unusual in this
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instant the TCASS. What should have prevented this aircraft misapp
is the pilot seeing the other aircraft and the air
traffic control. And I am not pointing fingers at anybody,
but I have flown Cobra aircraft right around Reagan National
Airport before, and normally, when you're flying a helicopter out there,
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you'll have a limitation of being you have to stay
one hundred feet below, or at least when I flew
out there.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
They did.
Speaker 9 (07:14):
This aircraft was substantially higher than that and actually flew
right in the flight path of the jet. So the
pilot should have been able to see it, and the
crew should have been able to see it as well
as the aircraft controller should have made sure they had
clear avoidance.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean and us in every case, correct me
if I'm wrong. The jet that is on a track
towards a landing and descending about the land they always
have the first right to continue their flight. It would
be the obligation of the helicopter pilot to get out
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of the way, would it not.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
It would absolutely, And in aviation, the aircraft that's the
most maneuverable has got the requirement or separation and so
the helicopter's way more maneuveral, substantially more maneuverable than the jet,
and the jets on a path that they can't maneuver
very well without.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
And the air and the jet has the right of
way under FA rules right absolutely.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
And they're both they both should have been under positive control.
I heard that there has been calls to the helicopter
and they didn't respond, which could have meant they were
dealing with something inside the cockpit. And we don't have
voice data re quarters in our military aircraft, which I've
been pushing for for some time. We need to get
them in there. That alone could have told us what
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happened in this particular incident.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
A couple of Now, what is your reaction, John Scott,
The fact that the jet, the airplane had the right
of way under FA rules, and especially since it was
on an approach for a landing.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
It absolutely did. And there is a frozen zone if
you will, above an airport anywhere anywhere below or I'm
sorry above the three degree glide slope angle that incoming
aircraft have, and they have the right of way. The
chopper was on what's called Route four along the east
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bank of the Potomac River there supposed to be limited
if they are flying north of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge
supposed to be limited to a maximum of two hundred
feet basically above the river. The impact took place at
about three hundred and fifty feet, so the chopper was
definitely higher than it should have been. Now, it was
a gusty night. It was clear, but it was gusty,
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and it can be difficult to hold altitude in very
gusty conditions. That's one of the factors that's going to
be involved here. But Colone Dunn, I wanted to ask you,
did your military helicopters have the tea caass system. I
was speaking to a friend who used to fly top
gun for the Navy and then became a commercial pilot
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for years. Is excellent pilot, but he said he is
of the opinioner of the belief that the military craft
do not have teacasts and therefore would not have been
able to talk to the American jet.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
Well, my Cobra did not have tea casts. I know
some of the trainer aircraft in the Navy and the
Marine Corps do have tea casts, and like I say,
the teacast in this scenario for the helicopter would not
have done much good. In my mind, it would have
done a lot for the airliner. But the helicopter's low
to the ground, and if you're in a you know,
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if you're in an airport setting, there's multiple airplanes flying,
taking off, flying around, and especially in the DC area,
it's just gonna become overwhelming. So I don't know if
this particular black Hawk had it. I do know that
some of my peers that have flown aircraft with teacasts
will turn it all the way down or shut it off.
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In some aircraft, I'm assuming you can shut off. I
don't know, But if they shut it off, obviously it
does no good. But because that noise is saturating the cockpit,
which is what deep the causes of a mishap is
cockpit saturation.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Right Cornold.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Let me ask you Pete Heegsa's comments that the military
does dangerous things, it does routine things on a regular basis. Tragically,
last night a mistake was made. I think the President
is right, there are some sort of elevation issue that
we have immediately begun investigating into DoD How do you
interpret that.
Speaker 9 (11:32):
There's no doubt in my mind that this was an
avoidable mishap. As as John mentioned, most mishapps when you
when you peel back the onion, they are avoidable. The altitude,
you know, any quality pilot should be able to hold
altitude even in the worst conditions. And Pete Heigsseth, Secretary Heisath,
said that this was an experienced crew doing an annual training.
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So I know plenty of pilots that have flown in
terrible conditions and they can hold their altitude. So other
than a situational awareness blip inside the cockpit, it causing
the climb. You know, I don't see that they couldn't
hold because of gust or wind unless there was an
emergency in the cockpit, which the investigation will hopefully determine
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and hopefully they'll figure out what exactly went wrong.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
When you look at the video, John Scott, and this
is very common. By the way, the helicopter was sort
of perpendicular and maybe requested. For example, I would not
be uncommon for a bird or chopper to cross a
runway with permission of the air traffic control and that
they'd be cleared for that, and thinking it was an
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inactive runway or the helicopter pilot got his position wrong.
I don't you know, we don't know the answer to
any of these questions at this point. But the last
reported position the airplane was just outside the runway. It's
possible or is it possible the helicopter was cleared and
on the adjacent a runway and somehow things got mixed up.
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I mean, at that point do we have to begin
to look at air traffic control and see if they
played a part in this.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I think there will be blame to go around, eventually,
assessed Sean. We talked about the fact that the air
traffic control called out to the helicopter and did not
get a response. Well, I have since learned that the
systems or the monitoring systems that we rely on in
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the news business too, you know, to give us those
air traffic recordings, they are not allowed to monitor the
military frequencies, the UHF frequency. When when the tower calls,
when they key their mic, they are broadcasting both on
military UHF frequencies as well as civilian VHF frequencies. So
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the fact that the tower called and did not and
we did not hear a response from the chopper is
completely understandable because it's not allowed to record those UHF responses.
Now I have heard the response on a UHF frequency,
and the chopper pilot was saying, yes, I see the CRJ,
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and I will I believe he says it's a bit garbled,
but he says, I'll maintain visual meaning I'll maintain visual
contact and stay out of his way.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Wasn't there also an instruction to fly behind the jet?
Speaker 8 (14:36):
Yes, yes, and as soon almost as soon as that
instruction took place, as soon as it was given, that's
almost the moment the impact happened. So I think that
he was looking at the wrong aircraft. The chopper crew
was looking at the wrong aircraft, thought they were well
clear of it and didn't see the aircraft that hit them.
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The other thing, Sean I would just say quickly is
that air traffic control was not very precise. They normally
should say, you know PAP twenty five, which was a
call sign in the chopper, do you have the traffic
at your twelve o'clock. They didn't say that. They said
do you see the CRJ And the chopper pilot said yes,
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But again he was probably looking at the wrong jet.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
Give you the last word, Colonel, you know I agree
with that assessment. I have been I took off on
an alta Cottam airfield in Iraq one day, and I
got clearance to take off at the same time air
traffic control authorized the sea seventeen the land on the
opposite runway, and the only way we didn't hit was
just a little bit of luck and a little bit
of grace of God. I think we're going to find
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out that in this instance, it's going to be a
either mistaken aircraft, like hey, I see it, but I'm
looking at it, and we use very specific terms in
the cockpit. You know, I see the bird is not acceptable.
See the aircraft on final is how you would have
reported that. I've heard the President's discussion about potential DEI.
(16:08):
I pray that had nothing to do with it. If
it did, every American should be outraged if they had
anything to do with this missive in any form work.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
It didn't say for sure, but he did point out
we went back and looked at the DEI regulations implemented
by Pete Boodha Judge and the Harris and Biden administration,
and I got to tell you that it's it's it's
kind of alarming. You know, I would not have ever
imagined that they would have directives as they did. You
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know that mandate people would psychiatric problems and severe intellectual
disabilities and mental and physical conditions.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
You know, b be given special consideration for hiring in
such important jobs. And I'm all in favor of non
discrimination against anybody, but this is a job that required
the best person, and those considerations I don't think would
factor in. But there's no indication, as I said, that
this has been a factor here. We appreciate both of you. Colonel,
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Thank you, John Scott, always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Anyway, the President was in the Oval office. We'll tell
you about that when we get back a much more
straight ahead.
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because this is gonna be the Democrats reverting to form.
We see it both in the state run legacy medium
mob and we see it with Democrats Democrats are angry.
They went from a state of utter shock and confusion
and they've now entered a different stage of I don't know, grief,
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call it whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And they're in the.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Anger stage, the rage stage even And you see this
on display, and I predicted it what happened this week
and the hearings with RFK Junior and Tulsi Gavard and
with Cash Fattel today.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
And by the way, they're not really laying a hand
on them.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
They just they just they love to hear themselves speak
and yell and scream and not let these people give
an explanation. Know what do they care about context or
texture to a comment that they may have made in
the past. But all of that is predictable, it really is.
I was watching, you know, RFK Junior taking more questions today.
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You know, they never paid attention to him, saying there's
no such thing as Republican children are Democratic children. There
are kids, sixty six percent of them are damaged. I'm
not here for a position. I don't need this. I
have a great life. I want to do this because
we need to fix it. But you do have people,
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you know that are receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars
and sanctimoniously screaming at at Robert F. Kennedy Junior. It
gets a little nauseating. Let's go to the hearings. This
is Robert F. Kennedy Junior, you know, saying that that
you know being attacked by Democrats and then saying there's
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no such thing as a Republican child or a Democratic child.
Speaker 11 (21:29):
Will you commit not to fire anyone in the health
arena who currently works on protecting Americans from cyber attacks
in their healthcare files?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I will.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I will commit not firing anybody who's doing their job.
Speaker 11 (21:46):
Based on your opinion, based upon your opinion, or your
political legenda, or mister Trump's political.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Job based upon my opinion. How are you supportive of this?
I've had nothing to do with you supportive of these ones?
I'm supportive of vaccines.
Speaker 11 (22:01):
Are you supportive all these this clothing which is militantly
anti vaccine?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I am supportive of vaccines.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I'll comply with all the ethical guides, not the question you.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
And I have said.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You're asking me. You're asking me, not the super vaccine companies.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah you are, That's exactly what you're doing Look.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
No one should be fooled here.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
When I launched my campaign, it was about uniting Americans,
Democrats and Republicans. There's no issue that she's unite it
more than this chronic health epidemic. There's no such thing
as Republican children or Democratic children.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
These are our kids.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Sixty six percent of them are damaged. I'm not here
because I want a position or a job. I have
a very good life and happy family. This is something
I don't need. I want to do this because we're
going to fix it.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I mean, I mean, you cannot just the reality. America
has a health problem. America has an obesity problem. America
has a diabetes problem. America has you know, coronary artery
disease problem, a cancer problem America. You know, if you
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look at the numbers, well you know why the men
in Japan lived ten years longer than American men. And
I understand that a lot of people they don't want
to put in a lot of people don't care about
their diet. Fine, Robert F. Kennedy was clear, he's not
taking away your McDonald's, your Kentucky Fried Chicken, and I
eat these things occasionally.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I don't need it. Every day because I.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Want to be a little healthier, and but you know,
we can do better. We can also have a healthcare
system that does better, that does more preventative medicine. We're
not using modern technology. We're not using telemedicine anywhere near
the level we need to. These health care cooperatives, we're
not using them. We're not using medical savings accounts anyway.
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That's why we brought back our friend from Wichita, Kansas,
doctor Josh Umber. He's been watching these here hearings, but
he's also not successfully employed concierge care at very affordable rates.
He started it in Wichita, now he's bringing it nationwide.
And he also has helped you know, I think well
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over one thousand other medical groups to open up the
concierge care. In his case, there's no deductible, no copay.
At the time it may have gone up, I don't know.
It's fifty dollars an adult, ten dollars per children, unlimited doctors' visits,
twenty four hour availability of a doctor, no network restrictions.
Payments go directly to you. Payments can be used for
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any expense, full transparent pricing. You're going to roll any
time you know, and you couple that with maybe a
catastrophic plan and you're on your way. You're gonna have
a lot better care than what Obamacare offered you. Anyway, doctor,
i'mber welcome back, sir, how are you hey?
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Thank you very much for having me on, And of
course our hearts go out to the families of the
people that went, you know, perished in this plain accident.
A very terrible situation, very close to home.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
But no thank you for.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
It's close to home. But my understanding is they flew
out of Wichita, Is I correct?
Speaker 10 (25:25):
They sure did, and thankfully no one that we're directly
connected with. But I'm sure as we learn more we'll
find connections between people we know now.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Wichita is full of great people and it's a tight
knit community, as you know. And yes, our hearts go
out to all these families. We've been talking about it,
you know, we just talked about in the last half hour.
It's just terrible and it's sad to see, and we've
we've got to bring safety back to the sky. But
I also want to make America healthy again, and I
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don't believe America is doing anywhere near the job that
it's capable of doing.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
You know, watch these Senate hearings. I was struck with
this idea that we agree on really a lot more
across these political parties than we disagree on and understandable.
They're very concerned about vaccines, and I'm a strong supporter
of pediatric vaccines and whatnot. But that's just a small
portion of this.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Do some kids have negative reactions? You're the medical doctor,
not me. Two vaccines? Is the mercury in vaccine? Is
there any connection as some claim to autism?
Speaker 10 (26:31):
Or no?
Speaker 8 (26:32):
No?
Speaker 10 (26:33):
I mean one, They've removed the mercury from the vaccines,
and the studies are overwhelmingly supportive of the fact that
these don't cause that autism.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
And really, are we over vaccinating people? For example? You
know now they you know years ago you only had
a few vaccines. Now you've got my understanding is well
over one hundred.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
Well, I think it's a risk based analysis. Right, you
take the plane and the FA has I think a
record number of years without a civilian mortality, and then
this so but that now we have an incident and
now we want even more protection. So you know, what
number of sick kids are we willing to accept a
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very small number, and we don't want infectious disease spreading
through through our country. But again that goes to the
larger example of how do we make our country healthy again?
And both sides, like he said, this is not Republican
or Democratic patients. There's just patients, just people, and a
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sick person has one dream, right, And I love that
quote because even though we may disagree on some things,
we can agree that the system needs to be fixed.
And Republican and Democrat centers both brought up problems with
Medicare and Medicaid and they have different ideas of a solution,
but they both want it fixed. They both want healthcare
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to be easier, faster, cheaper better. So if we start
looking at it like that, then I think we can
unite around ideas like direct primary care, direct health insurance,
that we deserve a ten x improvement in healthcare quality
and affordability, accessibility, and if we can have a private
space race, I think we can eliminate copase.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
All right, quick break, welcome back.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
More on the RFK hearings and alternatives to better health
will continue more with doctor Josh Umber, the head of
Atlas Direct. It is a healthcare cooperative now that has
going gone nation wide is started in Wichita, Kansas. More
on that on the other side. Can we continue now
with doctor Josh Umber talking about RFK and his hearings
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and talking about alternatives to traditional medicine. Eight hundred nine
foot one. Shawn is a number at List Directors, the
company he is building out nationwide out of Wichita, Kansas.
There's nothing really that the government is running particularly well.
Their best argument would be the Defense Department, but there's
a lot of ways for auden abuse there.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
But you know, government involvement.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Medicare is headed for in solvency, as is social security.
Our schools are a disaster. They can't keep law and
order in towns and cities. I don't put a lot
of faith, hope and trust in the government. However, I
do want this audience to know that there are better
options out there and Atlas MD, would you put together
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now call that list direct because you're now bringing it nationwide.
Is a whole different way of looking at healthcare. Tell
us what the difference is.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
Well, I think it's a smarter way of doing it.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Right.
Speaker 10 (29:40):
I'd like to say the government's not.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
Bad, they're just bad at it.
Speaker 10 (29:43):
They don't have a mechanism in place to necessarily drive
things to better pricing, better efficiency the way the market does.
And we just don't use the market in healthcare. And
I appreciate the argument that healthcare is very important it
should it be market based, to which I would say, yeah,
so important, it has to be market based.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
So let's say if I signed up for your plan
that you started in Wichita, which was locally where adults
paid fifty dollars a month access to a doctor twenty
four to seven, most of most medical procedures could be
taken place ten dollars a month for kids, you got
a ninety percent discount on any prescription medicines that you'd
(30:24):
need because you negotiated personally directly with pharmaceutical companies, so
people wouldn't have to go to that local pharmacy. And
what's the difference between what you started in Wichita with
what you're now bringing.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Nationally, Well, that's the best part.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
It's nearly the same. Now we're helping thousands of doctors
do their own version of our clinic, so prices might
vary from clinic to clinic, but we've never changed our
prices since we started in twenty ten. What insurance company
can say that, right, But then we are able to
negotiate better than the government, Like, how is that possible?
(30:59):
If Walmart has a four dollar a month list, we
have a four dollars a year list. That's just like
you said, you want your listeners to know there is
a better way. And if we can't fix the price
of health insurance until we fix the price of health care.
But once you do that, once you find a way
to have fifty dollars a month unlimited visits, home visits,
work visits, telemedicine visits, no code pays right, people hate copays,
(31:24):
and so a good business model removed.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
What happens if you get the cancer that lasts for
ten years, What happens if you get the bad accident
that keeps in the hospital for a year. What happens
if you know you have the heart attack or a
stroke and you need long term care?
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Well you know what that's That's exactly what insurance is for.
Is for the big, scary, unpredictable things. Now, most insurances
won't cover you for a year, but even Medicare doesn't
do that, right, And so you're when you're designing an
insurance plan. It's tricky. You've got to say how much
risk are you willing to take? But Amy Finkelstein MacArthur
(32:01):
Genius Grant Award winning Eutonomous has a great book, We've
Got You Covered, and in there from twenty twenty three numbers,
she mentions less than one percent of the people account
for thirty forty percent of health care spend. But even
they only spend around one hundred thousand a year in healthcare.
So the numbers who spend way more than that are
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miniscule relative to everything else. So we deninne a smart
plan that covers everybody for the common stuff and then
tries to add insurance supplement for hey.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
I just urge people to open their minds, health care cooperatives,
health savings accounts, catastrophic care for big things. If God
forbids something horrible happens and there are solutions and RFK
Junior raising questions. He's pointing out what we all know,
the system sucks and is broken and our healthcare and
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then do everything you can do in your own life
to have better health. Doctor Josh, we appreciate you. You're
thinking out of the box, and I wish the government
would listen to you more. Eight hundred ninety four one
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All right, thanks Scott shan An hour two Sean Hannity Show,
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if you want to be a part of the program.
We go back to President was just in the Oval
Office dealing with and he's right about this. We don't
know whether the DEI hiring practices of p Buddha Judge
(01:34):
and the Harris Biden administration had any impact on this
particular case. We just don't know. We just know that
under Buddha Judge that they came up with language. It
was on the website of the FAA up until the
twenty second of January this year that they did have
up there very specific language that said people that suffer
(01:56):
severe intellectual disability, psychiatric problem, and other mental and physical
conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out
the agency's website. Now, does that mean in any way
that this impacted what happened in this case.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Nobody knows. We don't know.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
But the President went on to say what I was
saying is is that those criteria should not be a
factor in hiring anybody that is an air traffic controller
or works in the FAA. And now, learning from John Solomon,
just thenews dot com. The mid air collision between this
American Airlines passenger jet and this Army Blackhawk helicopter was
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preceded by months of near misses at airports all across
the country, as well as increasingly shrill warnings that the
nation's air traffic control and safety system was stretched to
the limit, and regulators acknowledged this that in twenty twenty
three there were nineteen serious their description near missus at
(03:02):
US airports and that they could have been catastrophic, one
of the largest totals that we've had in years. And
only fourteen months before what happened last night at Reagan National,
the FAA received a safety expert report that warned America's
air traffic control system is suffering from quality control issues,
(03:23):
staffing shortages. That's putting safety at risk. Now, what was
the president's point? He goes, you need various the top
people in these positions. And you know, he said he's
going to get to the bottom of it immediately, and
these DEI practices are finished. You have to hire the
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best people for the job. That's all there is to it.
And you know, things like this can be avoided, and
we want them to be avoided anyway. Joining us now
to discuss John Scott is with us, of course. John
hosts The Fox Report every Saturday and Sunday six pm
on the Fox News Channel. Been a colleague of mine
(04:06):
my entire time at Fox News. He's a private pilot himself.
Marine Corps Colonel William Bernard Dunn is with us, a
military attack helicopter pilot who has flown in and around DC.
We welcome you both to the program. John, I'll start
with you. You've been a pilot for a long time. This
has been a passion of hers for a long time.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
It has. Yeah, I've loved aviation since I was a kid.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Yeah, let's talk about you know, first of all, John
Solomon's report is very alarming to me. There have been
all these near misses and at historic levels at airports
around the country. You know, that seems to now be
looking back in hindsight at the Canary and the coal mine.
But things like this really can be prevented if we
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take proper control of the skies. This is a preventable accident, right, and.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
Just about every aviation accident is preventable. You know. It's
rarely the situation where one thing happens that causes a
flight to go down. It's not, you know, normal for
a plane to go up in the wing, falls off
or something like that. If usually, one small mistake leads
to another, leads to another, leads to another. And I
(05:22):
think some of that is clearly visible in what happened
last night and I'm sure it will be outlined in
the eventual in TSB report.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Yeah, and then let me bring in Marine Corps Colonel
William Bernard Dunn. Every aircraft has what's called a t
CAST system, a traffic collision warning system, and I'm just
a little bit surprised because in helicopters and in any
jet in this particular case, they have very sophisticated avionics
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and warning systems, and the redundancy is very and you
would imagine at some point that both the helicopter and
the airliner jet were being worn by the system and
somehow something didn't work in this case. Any theories of
what might have happened, or is this like most cases
when you have a crash, as usually, is pilot error
(06:18):
or it could be air traffic control error.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
Yeah, Sean, thanks for having me. I watched the video
today of the impact. You know one thing, if you
have a TACASS and you're in an airport area, you
know that TACAST is going to be going off over
and over again. And it's very logical that sometimes a
pilot becomes very insensitized to it and may even turn
it off, which would not be necessarily unusual in this
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instant the TCASS. What should have prevented this aircraft misapp
is the pilot seeing the other aircraft and the air
traffic control. And I am not pointing fingers at anybody,
but I have flown Cobra aircraft right around Reagan National
Airport before, and normally, when you're flying a helicopter out there,
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you'll have a limitation of being you have to stay
one hundred feet below, or at least when I flew
out there.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
They did.
Speaker 9 (07:14):
This aircraft was substantially higher than that and actually flew
right in the flight path of the jet. So the
pilot should have been able to see it, and the
crew should have been able to see it as well
as the aircraft controller should have made sure they had
clear avoidance.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean and us in every case, correct me
if I'm wrong. The jet that is on a track
towards a landing and descending about the land they always
have the first right to continue their flight. It would
be the obligation of the helicopter pilot to get out
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of the way, would it not.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
It would absolutely, And in aviation, the aircraft that's the
most maneuverable has got the requirement or separation and so
the helicopter's way more maneuveral, substantially more maneuverable than the jet,
and the jets on a path that they can't maneuver
very well without.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
And the air and the jet has the right of
way under FA rules right absolutely.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
And they're both they both should have been under positive control.
I heard that there has been calls to the helicopter
and they didn't respond, which could have meant they were
dealing with something inside the cockpit. And we don't have
voice data re quarters in our military aircraft, which I've
been pushing for for some time. We need to get
them in there. That alone could have told us what
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happened in this particular incident.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
A couple of Now, what is your reaction, John Scott,
The fact that the jet, the airplane had the right
of way under FA rules, and especially since it was
on an approach for a landing.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
It absolutely did. And there is a frozen zone if
you will, above an airport anywhere anywhere below or I'm
sorry above the three degree glide slope angle that incoming
aircraft have, and they have the right of way. The
chopper was on what's called Route four along the east
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bank of the Potomac River there supposed to be limited
if they are flying north of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge
supposed to be limited to a maximum of two hundred
feet basically above the river. The impact took place at
about three hundred and fifty feet, so the chopper was
definitely higher than it should have been. Now, it was
a gusty night. It was clear, but it was gusty,
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and it can be difficult to hold altitude in very
gusty conditions. That's one of the factors that's going to
be involved here. But Colone Dunn, I wanted to ask you,
did your military helicopters have the tea caass system. I
was speaking to a friend who used to fly top
gun for the Navy and then became a commercial pilot
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for years. Is excellent pilot, but he said he is
of the opinioner of the belief that the military craft
do not have teacasts and therefore would not have been
able to talk to the American jet.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
Well, my Cobra did not have tea casts. I know
some of the trainer aircraft in the Navy and the
Marine Corps do have tea casts, and like I say,
the teacast in this scenario for the helicopter would not
have done much good. In my mind, it would have
done a lot for the airliner. But the helicopter's low
to the ground, and if you're in a you know,
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if you're in an airport setting, there's multiple airplanes flying,
taking off, flying around, and especially in the DC area,
it's just gonna become overwhelming. So I don't know if
this particular black Hawk had it. I do know that
some of my peers that have flown aircraft with teacasts
will turn it all the way down or shut it off.
(10:56):
In some aircraft, I'm assuming you can shut off. I
don't know, But if they shut it off, obviously it
does no good. But because that noise is saturating the cockpit,
which is what deep the causes of a mishap is
cockpit saturation.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Right Cornold.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Let me ask you Pete Heegsa's comments that the military
does dangerous things, it does routine things on a regular basis. Tragically,
last night a mistake was made. I think the President
is right, there are some sort of elevation issue that
we have immediately begun investigating into DoD How do you
interpret that.
Speaker 9 (11:32):
There's no doubt in my mind that this was an
avoidable mishap. As as John mentioned, most mishapps when you
when you peel back the onion, they are avoidable. The altitude,
you know, any quality pilot should be able to hold
altitude even in the worst conditions. And Pete Heigsseth, Secretary Heisath,
said that this was an experienced crew doing an annual training.
(11:56):
So I know plenty of pilots that have flown in
terrible conditions and they can hold their altitude. So other
than a situational awareness blip inside the cockpit, it causing
the climb. You know, I don't see that they couldn't
hold because of gust or wind unless there was an
emergency in the cockpit, which the investigation will hopefully determine
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and hopefully they'll figure out what exactly went wrong.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
When you look at the video, John Scott, and this
is very common. By the way, the helicopter was sort
of perpendicular and maybe requested. For example, I would not
be uncommon for a bird or chopper to cross a
runway with permission of the air traffic control and that
they'd be cleared for that, and thinking it was an
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inactive runway or the helicopter pilot got his position wrong.
I don't you know, we don't know the answer to
any of these questions at this point. But the last
reported position the airplane was just outside the runway. It's
possible or is it possible the helicopter was cleared and
on the adjacent a runway and somehow things got mixed up.
(13:05):
I mean, at that point do we have to begin
to look at air traffic control and see if they
played a part in this.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
I think there will be blame to go around, eventually,
assessed Sean. We talked about the fact that the air
traffic control called out to the helicopter and did not
get a response. Well, I have since learned that the
systems or the monitoring systems that we rely on in
(13:36):
the news business too, you know, to give us those
air traffic recordings, they are not allowed to monitor the
military frequencies, the UHF frequency. When when the tower calls,
when they key their mic, they are broadcasting both on
military UHF frequencies as well as civilian VHF frequencies. So
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the fact that the tower called and did not and
we did not hear a response from the chopper is
completely understandable because it's not allowed to record those UHF responses.
Now I have heard the response on a UHF frequency,
and the chopper pilot was saying, yes, I see the CRJ,
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and I will I believe he says it's a bit garbled,
but he says, I'll maintain visual meaning I'll maintain visual
contact and stay out of his way.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Wasn't there also an instruction to fly behind the jet?
Speaker 8 (14:36):
Yes, yes, and as soon almost as soon as that
instruction took place, as soon as it was given, that's
almost the moment the impact happened. So I think that
he was looking at the wrong aircraft. The chopper crew
was looking at the wrong aircraft, thought they were well
clear of it and didn't see the aircraft that hit them.
(15:01):
The other thing, Sean I would just say quickly is
that air traffic control was not very precise. They normally
should say, you know PAP twenty five, which was a
call sign in the chopper, do you have the traffic
at your twelve o'clock. They didn't say that. They said
do you see the CRJ And the chopper pilot said yes,
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But again he was probably looking at the wrong jet.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
Give you the last word, Colonel, you know I agree
with that assessment. I have been I took off on
an alta Cottam airfield in Iraq one day, and I
got clearance to take off at the same time air
traffic control authorized the sea seventeen the land on the
opposite runway, and the only way we didn't hit was
just a little bit of luck and a little bit
of grace of God. I think we're going to find
(15:46):
out that in this instance, it's going to be a
either mistaken aircraft, like hey, I see it, but I'm
looking at it, and we use very specific terms in
the cockpit. You know, I see the bird is not acceptable.
See the aircraft on final is how you would have
reported that. I've heard the President's discussion about potential DEI.
(16:08):
I pray that had nothing to do with it. If
it did, every American should be outraged if they had
anything to do with this missive in any form work.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
It didn't say for sure, but he did point out
we went back and looked at the DEI regulations implemented
by Pete Boodha Judge and the Harris and Biden administration,
and I got to tell you that it's it's it's
kind of alarming. You know, I would not have ever
imagined that they would have directives as they did. You
(16:38):
know that mandate people would psychiatric problems and severe intellectual
disabilities and mental and physical conditions.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
You know, b be given special consideration for hiring in
such important jobs. And I'm all in favor of non
discrimination against anybody, but this is a job that required
the best person, and those considerations I don't think would
factor in. But there's no indication, as I said, that
this has been a factor here. We appreciate both of you. Colonel,
(17:09):
Thank you, John Scott, always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Anyway, the President was in the Oval office. We'll tell
you about that when we get back a much more
straight ahead.
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because this is gonna be the Democrats reverting to form.
We see it both in the state run legacy medium
mob and we see it with Democrats Democrats are angry.
They went from a state of utter shock and confusion
and they've now entered a different stage of I don't know, grief,
(20:06):
call it whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And they're in the.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Anger stage, the rage stage even And you see this
on display, and I predicted it what happened this week
and the hearings with RFK Junior and Tulsi Gavard and
with Cash Fattel today.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
And by the way, they're not really laying a hand
on them.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
They just they just they love to hear themselves speak
and yell and scream and not let these people give
an explanation. Know what do they care about context or
texture to a comment that they may have made in
the past. But all of that is predictable, it really is.
I was watching, you know, RFK Junior taking more questions today.
(20:44):
You know, they never paid attention to him, saying there's
no such thing as Republican children are Democratic children. There
are kids, sixty six percent of them are damaged. I'm
not here for a position. I don't need this. I
have a great life. I want to do this because
we need to fix it. But you do have people,
(21:05):
you know that are receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars
and sanctimoniously screaming at at Robert F. Kennedy Junior. It
gets a little nauseating. Let's go to the hearings. This
is Robert F. Kennedy Junior, you know, saying that that
you know being attacked by Democrats and then saying there's
(21:26):
no such thing as a Republican child or a Democratic child.
Speaker 11 (21:29):
Will you commit not to fire anyone in the health
arena who currently works on protecting Americans from cyber attacks
in their healthcare files?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I will.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I will commit not firing anybody who's doing their job.
Speaker 11 (21:46):
Based on your opinion, based upon your opinion, or your
political legenda, or mister Trump's political.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Job based upon my opinion. How are you supportive of this?
I've had nothing to do with you supportive of these ones?
I'm supportive of vaccines.
Speaker 11 (22:01):
Are you supportive all these this clothing which is militantly
anti vaccine?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I am supportive of vaccines.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I'll comply with all the ethical guides, not the question you.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
And I have said.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You're asking me. You're asking me, not the super vaccine companies.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah you are, That's exactly what you're doing Look.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
No one should be fooled here.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
When I launched my campaign, it was about uniting Americans,
Democrats and Republicans. There's no issue that she's unite it
more than this chronic health epidemic. There's no such thing
as Republican children or Democratic children.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
These are our kids.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Sixty six percent of them are damaged. I'm not here
because I want a position or a job. I have
a very good life and happy family. This is something
I don't need. I want to do this because we're
going to fix it.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I mean, I mean, you cannot just the reality. America
has a health problem. America has an obesity problem. America
has a diabetes problem. America has you know, coronary artery
disease problem, a cancer problem America. You know, if you
(23:19):
look at the numbers, well you know why the men
in Japan lived ten years longer than American men. And
I understand that a lot of people they don't want
to put in a lot of people don't care about
their diet. Fine, Robert F. Kennedy was clear, he's not
taking away your McDonald's, your Kentucky Fried Chicken, and I
eat these things occasionally.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I don't need it. Every day because I.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Want to be a little healthier, and but you know,
we can do better. We can also have a healthcare
system that does better, that does more preventative medicine. We're
not using modern technology. We're not using telemedicine anywhere near
the level we need to. These health care cooperatives, we're
not using them. We're not using medical savings accounts anyway.
(24:04):
That's why we brought back our friend from Wichita, Kansas,
doctor Josh Umber. He's been watching these here hearings, but
he's also not successfully employed concierge care at very affordable rates.
He started it in Wichita, now he's bringing it nationwide.
And he also has helped you know, I think well
(24:27):
over one thousand other medical groups to open up the
concierge care. In his case, there's no deductible, no copay.
At the time it may have gone up, I don't know.
It's fifty dollars an adult, ten dollars per children, unlimited doctors' visits,
twenty four hour availability of a doctor, no network restrictions.
Payments go directly to you. Payments can be used for
(24:49):
any expense, full transparent pricing. You're going to roll any
time you know, and you couple that with maybe a
catastrophic plan and you're on your way. You're gonna have
a lot better care than what Obamacare offered you. Anyway, doctor,
i'mber welcome back, sir, how are you hey?
Speaker 10 (25:05):
Thank you very much for having me on, And of
course our hearts go out to the families of the
people that went, you know, perished in this plain accident.
A very terrible situation, very close to home.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
But no thank you for.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
It's close to home. But my understanding is they flew
out of Wichita, Is I correct?
Speaker 10 (25:25):
They sure did, and thankfully no one that we're directly
connected with. But I'm sure as we learn more we'll
find connections between people we know now.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Wichita is full of great people and it's a tight
knit community, as you know. And yes, our hearts go
out to all these families. We've been talking about it,
you know, we just talked about in the last half hour.
It's just terrible and it's sad to see, and we've
we've got to bring safety back to the sky. But
I also want to make America healthy again, and I
(25:55):
don't believe America is doing anywhere near the job that
it's capable of doing.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
You know, watch these Senate hearings. I was struck with
this idea that we agree on really a lot more
across these political parties than we disagree on and understandable.
They're very concerned about vaccines, and I'm a strong supporter
of pediatric vaccines and whatnot. But that's just a small
portion of this.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Do some kids have negative reactions? You're the medical doctor,
not me. Two vaccines? Is the mercury in vaccine? Is
there any connection as some claim to autism?
Speaker 10 (26:31):
Or no?
Speaker 8 (26:32):
No?
Speaker 10 (26:33):
I mean one, They've removed the mercury from the vaccines,
and the studies are overwhelmingly supportive of the fact that
these don't cause that autism.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
And really, are we over vaccinating people? For example? You
know now they you know years ago you only had
a few vaccines. Now you've got my understanding is well
over one hundred.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
Well, I think it's a risk based analysis. Right, you
take the plane and the FA has I think a
record number of years without a civilian mortality, and then
this so but that now we have an incident and
now we want even more protection. So you know, what
number of sick kids are we willing to accept a
(27:17):
very small number, and we don't want infectious disease spreading
through through our country. But again that goes to the
larger example of how do we make our country healthy again?
And both sides, like he said, this is not Republican
or Democratic patients. There's just patients, just people, and a
(27:38):
sick person has one dream, right, And I love that
quote because even though we may disagree on some things,
we can agree that the system needs to be fixed.
And Republican and Democrat centers both brought up problems with
Medicare and Medicaid and they have different ideas of a solution,
but they both want it fixed. They both want healthcare
(27:59):
to be easier, faster, cheaper better. So if we start
looking at it like that, then I think we can
unite around ideas like direct primary care, direct health insurance,
that we deserve a ten x improvement in healthcare quality
and affordability, accessibility, and if we can have a private
space race, I think we can eliminate copase.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
All right, quick break, welcome back.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
More on the RFK hearings and alternatives to better health
will continue more with doctor Josh Umber, the head of
Atlas Direct. It is a healthcare cooperative now that has
going gone nation wide is started in Wichita, Kansas. More
on that on the other side. Can we continue now
with doctor Josh Umber talking about RFK and his hearings
(28:44):
and talking about alternatives to traditional medicine. Eight hundred nine
foot one. Shawn is a number at List Directors, the
company he is building out nationwide out of Wichita, Kansas.
There's nothing really that the government is running particularly well.
Their best argument would be the Defense Department, but there's
a lot of ways for auden abuse there.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
But you know, government involvement.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Medicare is headed for in solvency, as is social security.
Our schools are a disaster. They can't keep law and
order in towns and cities. I don't put a lot
of faith, hope and trust in the government. However, I
do want this audience to know that there are better
options out there and Atlas MD, would you put together
(29:28):
now call that list direct because you're now bringing it nationwide.
Is a whole different way of looking at healthcare. Tell
us what the difference is.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
Well, I think it's a smarter way of doing it.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Right.
Speaker 10 (29:40):
I'd like to say the government's not.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
Bad, they're just bad at it.
Speaker 10 (29:43):
They don't have a mechanism in place to necessarily drive
things to better pricing, better efficiency the way the market does.
And we just don't use the market in healthcare. And
I appreciate the argument that healthcare is very important it
should it be market based, to which I would say, yeah,
so important, it has to be market based.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
So let's say if I signed up for your plan
that you started in Wichita, which was locally where adults
paid fifty dollars a month access to a doctor twenty
four to seven, most of most medical procedures could be
taken place ten dollars a month for kids, you got
a ninety percent discount on any prescription medicines that you'd
(30:24):
need because you negotiated personally directly with pharmaceutical companies, so
people wouldn't have to go to that local pharmacy. And
what's the difference between what you started in Wichita with
what you're now bringing.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Nationally, Well, that's the best part.
Speaker 10 (30:38):
It's nearly the same. Now we're helping thousands of doctors
do their own version of our clinic, so prices might
vary from clinic to clinic, but we've never changed our
prices since we started in twenty ten. What insurance company
can say that, right, But then we are able to
negotiate better than the government, Like, how is that possible?
(30:59):
If Walmart has a four dollar a month list, we
have a four dollars a year list. That's just like
you said, you want your listeners to know there is
a better way. And if we can't fix the price
of health insurance until we fix the price of health care.
But once you do that, once you find a way
to have fifty dollars a month unlimited visits, home visits,
work visits, telemedicine visits, no code pays right, people hate copays,
(31:24):
and so a good business model removed.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
What happens if you get the cancer that lasts for
ten years, What happens if you get the bad accident
that keeps in the hospital for a year. What happens
if you know you have the heart attack or a
stroke and you need long term care?
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Well you know what that's That's exactly what insurance is for.
Is for the big, scary, unpredictable things. Now, most insurances
won't cover you for a year, but even Medicare doesn't
do that, right, And so you're when you're designing an
insurance plan. It's tricky. You've got to say how much
risk are you willing to take? But Amy Finkelstein MacArthur
(32:01):
Genius Grant Award winning Eutonomous has a great book, We've
Got You Covered, and in there from twenty twenty three numbers,
she mentions less than one percent of the people account
for thirty forty percent of health care spend. But even
they only spend around one hundred thousand a year in healthcare.
So the numbers who spend way more than that are
(32:22):
miniscule relative to everything else. So we deninne a smart
plan that covers everybody for the common stuff and then
tries to add insurance supplement for hey.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
I just urge people to open their minds, health care cooperatives,
health savings accounts, catastrophic care for big things. If God
forbids something horrible happens and there are solutions and RFK
Junior raising questions. He's pointing out what we all know,
the system sucks and is broken and our healthcare and
(32:56):
then do everything you can do in your own life
to have better health. Doctor Josh, we appreciate you. You're
thinking out of the box, and I wish the government
would listen to you more. Eight hundred ninety four one
Shawn is our number if you want to be a
part of the program.
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