August 31, 2026 • 28 mins
Nancy Grace joins Sean to answer Kevin Reddington’s criticism and defend her analysis of the Lindsay Clancy case, focusing on the planning, searches, timing, and behavior she believes undermine the claim of a sudden psychotic break. Sean then turns to another dispute over facts in Pennsylvania, where Lancaster County officials challenge Governor Josh Shapiro’s claim that two people died from measles. Commissioner Josh Parsons explains what the county coroner found and why he believes greater transparency is needed before political leaders make sweeping public-health claims.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hour 2, Sean Hannity Show, toll free. Our number is
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So I noticed, and it's kind of gone a little
bit viral on social media, that the attorney, defense attorney
for Lindsey Clancy, literally, by the way, this guy's been
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talking to the media left, right, and sideways, and then
all of a sudden he's complaining the media's covering his
case I guess if you don't cover it perfectly the
way he wants you to, then he's not that happy.
But this is Kevin Reddington, Lindsey Clancy's attorney, singling out
yours truly and our friend Nancy Graves for the coverage
of this case. Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's been, obviously, a long weekend, okay? You're all journalists, reporters,
news media, and this weekend has been horrific with the coverage.
And by that, I mean Mr. Hannity with his men
discussing every little inch of Lindsay's symptoms and criticizing Nancy Grace,
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to coin a phrase, the queen of mean, who misrepresents facts.
I challenge Nancy Grace to show us where Lindsay Clancy
ever said, ever Googled how to kill words that came
out of her mouth. And these things hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Just for the record, yes, we've covered it more extensively
on TV than on this radio program, but we've covered both.
Just for the record, you know, Mr. Hannity and his men. Well,
Tiffany Smiley was on our show defending his client multiple
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nights in a row last week. Not only did we
have Nancy Grace as well. Last time I checked, Nancy's
not a man. Mr. Hannity and his men. Dr. Chloe Carmichael, again,
another guest on the topic. Jamie Franklin, again, another female
on the topic. Kaylee McGee White. We all know Kaylee.
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She's on Fox a lot, as is Isabel Brown. Oh,
all on talking about the case. Maybe he just doesn't
like the fact that they have an opinion different than
than he does. And that of his client. Sorry, you
don't like other people's analysis, but then stop going before
the press every day and maybe talk. You know, you
should stop making comments. Now, he made this comment in
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closing arguments. I think it's worth playing again. And this
is when he said the soul of this mother was
ripped out of her by the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I told you in the opening statement that this is
a prosecution that has ripped the soul out of this girl.
How does this turn into.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
This? How? How?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Because of the damn medicine and the lousy medical care
that she got.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Now, let's go to the FBI psychiatrist who commented on
this case, was an expert witness in this case, casting
doubt on Lindsay Clancy's story about hearing voices. I'm sure Mr.
Reddington didn't like this testimony. It would be my educated guess.
Take a listen.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Did the defendant tell you that the voice told.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Her where to kill the children? No Did the voice
tell her how to kill the children? No Did the
voice tell her what to use to kill the children?
No Did the voice tell her in what order to
kill the children? No Did the voice tell her where
to try to kill herself? No Did the voice tell
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her in what way to kill herself?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Then, of course, you know, it goes on from there.
And and I think this is really, really imperative. Now,
let's go back. There are two sides of this story.
There is the prosecution that is seeking a guilty verdict
of murder one. And the assistant D.A., Jennifer Sprague, says
Lindsay Clancy left her children discarded on a basement floor
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like broken toys.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
She killed them.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And she left them there on the floor with the
bands around their necks. She didn't bring them up to
their beds and put them with their favorite stuffed animal
and cover them up gently and lovingly, leaving them peacefully there.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
No.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
She left them discarded on the basement floor like broken
toys because she was done playing the game.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Now she further goes on to say Lindsay was a nurse,
that she knew the effects that her medication, would have
on her and knew it for months. Listen to this
closing argument.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
If you look at their journal, you look at this
journal that the defense counsel showed you, she's very detailed
about when she took medication, what she took, the amount
she took, what the effect was for months. She knows
as a nurse the importance of following the instructions of
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your medications. She knows how important it is to follow
the plan and do what's on the bottle and do
what your provider tells you.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And then one of these moments that I'm talking about, again, Mr.
Reddington's critical of people talking about the case, but these
were comments that he made saying that Lindsay Clancy is
a darn good mother.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
This young lady.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Did nothing wrong in her life. She was a nurse,
a daughter, a wife. And a darn good mother.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
All right, joining us now to weigh in on this,
also singled out by name this weekend by Lindsay Clancy's attorney,
Kevin Reddington, is our friend Nancy Grace. I take issue
with ever calling Nancy Grace mean. Maybe he should have
a little bit of understanding about who Nancy Grace is,
and I'll say this for her. Nancy Grace was 19
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years old. When her fiance was brutally murdered, it changed
the entire trajectory of her life. She is a victim
of violent crime. And out of out of the ashes,
you know, sprung a person that actually cares about victims
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of crimes. And one of my biggest complaints in this
case is people on social media and people outside the courtroom.
You know, they never mentioned the names or referenced the
three dead children that were strangled. And anyway, Nancy Grace,
thank you for being with us. And anything but mean,
you're kind, you're compassionate, especially towards victims.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well, Sean, I really don't know where to start, but
let me take a plunge. I did not get into
the business of representing crime victims, victims of violent crime,
to be crowned Miss Sweet Potato. I'm not going to
be the homecoming queen. I'm not going to be Miss Congeniality.
And you know why?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'll call you Miss Sweet Potato because I know what
a loving, kind mother you are and human being you
are and how compassionate you are.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I tell myself all of that over and over to
steel myself against attacks. I do what I do and
have done ever since Keith was murdered because I believe.
I believe if you sit by... and do nothing when
others have been mistreated, have been raped, have been assaulted,
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have been killed, then you are part of the problem.
And more important, I have watched over the years when
children or infants are the victims of violent crime and
seemingly punishments are lesser when children are the victims, especially
in murders, because they're not there to be heard. No
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one is representing the three victims in this case. So Mr.
Reddington can say whatever he wishes about me, but let
me address the facts of this case. When I said
there were disturbing... probative Google searches, there were. For instance,
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where is a carotid artery? How to slit your throat?
Can you turn off airbags on a Kia Sorento? And
can you treat a sociopath? Why? Why are those searches
on her devices? So what I reported is exactly correct.
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What he may think about me is irrelevant as we
look at what happened to those three children, Dawson, Cora,
and Callan. They were herded down to the basement, and
I don't know anybody out there ever tried to herd
tots through an airport or basically into the car even.
It's not always easy. The moment that door shut behind
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her husband on a trip, she arranged and even timed
out How long would it take him to get to
pick up the takeout at the furthest restaurant away that
they had ever been to and then on a wild
goose chase to get Miralax at CVS for the children?
And he calls home in the middle of this and
speaks to her and she acts perfectly normal. Am I
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supposed to believe, Sean, that when that door slammed, suddenly
she heard a voice saying, kill your children so you
can be free. And she goes, okay, no, that is
not what happened. In my criminal prosecution practice, auditory hallucinations
do not just pop up at that moment and you go, oh, sure,
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I'll go murder my children. Auditory hallucinations can come on
up to years before the violence peaks. minutes, she hears
a voice, an evil male voice for the first and
last time, and she follows it. How many times in
our lives have we had the urge or the thought
to do something wrong? And God, help me. I hope
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I fight it. I hope I fight wrong. But she
hears the voice and says she kills her children. She goes,
herds them to the basement. gets exercise bands, and strangles him.
That is not up for argument. She admits she did that.
The only issue is, did she have a psychotic break?
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And I compare a break to something like a heart
attack or a stroke where you really, you don't know
what happened. That's what a break is. but she could
speak to her husband when he called her in the
middle of all this and act perfectly fine. Listen, Sean,
I don't like it. I think I, along with everybody else,
search for a reason. Why would a mother do this
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to their children? How could she? She must be crazy.
She was not in the middle of a psychotic break.
That's the only issue. She admits she did it, not
her husband. We have to determine, was she out of
her mind in a psychotic break? No, she was not.
Do I stand by my analysis?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And Mr. Reddington can vilify me all he wants. That
is not the issue. The issue is his client's alleged
psychotic break at the behest of an unknown male voice.
I don't believe it. I don't believe it happened that way.
Am I torn up about the three children? Yes, I am.
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I love nothing more in the world than my children,
and I remember them at this age. Yes, I'm torn
up about it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I want to go specifically. Now, she was looking up
things like schizophrenia, psychosis, hallucination, bipolar disorder, wellbutrin, excuse me,
for depression, ketamine, you know, can you treat a sociopath,
how to tell if you're sleep-deprived, depressed, how to slit
your own throat. And there's a couple that really stick
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out to me that I don't understand. Kids Miralax. The
CVS Pharmacy, various searches on Apple Maps to calculate driving times,
distances to the pharmacy. And consciously, didn't she ask the husband,
wasn't testimony presented that she asked the husband to go
out before she did all this?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well, you're absolutely correct, Sean. And I'm certainly not a Pollyanna.
I would disagree with you if I thought you were wrong.
In good faith, but you're not.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You've yelled at me on my own show before, so
I know you'll disagree.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yes, you have. That's all right. The audience loves it.
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But that specific search. It's why I'm saying what I'm saying,
and I don't expect everybody to like what I'm saying.
But this is the truth. In the middle of a
psychotic break or just before an alleged psychotic break, she
times her husband's trip. She sends him on the errand
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to the furthest restaurant away when they're so much closer
to bring back takeout. She sends him for Miralax for
the children at CVS. She even calls CVS to see
if they have it. He won't bother her by calling
and saying, hey, they don't have it. Where else should
I go? You know, all of this shows she was
in her right frame of mind. Was she depressed?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Was she having postpartum depression? Clearly. But the only issue, Sean,
is was she in a psychotic break at the time
she murdered the children? And if she can rationalize all
of that, time out his trip. The door shut and
she kills him immediately. That was planned. Sorry. As I've
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said before, it's like a dirt sandwich to chew that
and swallow it. But that is what happened, whether people
like it or not.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I have one final question I'd like to ask Mr. Reddington.
If he doesn't want any press coverage, why does he
keep going before the press, number one? Number two, if
you want to single me out, explain to me why
in closing arguments you talk about the soul of the children.
I mean, the soul of the woman that's on trial,
but what about the soul of the three kids? Nancy Grace,
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we'll have more on TV tonight. We'll show this video.
I don't like being attacked, but If he doesn't want
a case public, maybe he himself should keep his mouth shut.
We appreciate your time and thank you for your analysis
as always. By the way, for the record, we did
invite Mr. Reddington on this program last week. He never
got back to us. We asked him on the program
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again tonight. So far, no response. He did not get
back to us. We've offered him a ton of time
to be on our TV show. Quick break. Right back.
All right. On this Monday, you know, I can't stand,
especially on health issues after COVID. When something comes up
health wise and there's been an attempt by the left
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to create this panic that somehow, you know, measles and AIDS.
an increase in measles cases are in certain parts of
the country. It's something to pay attention to. I mean,
you just should if it's health related. But I want
to know the truth. Here's the problem. So we've got
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a case in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And I want to play
a couple of things for you so you fully understand
the magnitude of this, where Because it's a critical update.
And I don't want people being deceived in Lancaster, PA
or anywhere in the country. And the governor of Pennsylvania,
the Commonwealth, Governor Josh Shapiro, said that there have been
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two deaths from measles in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Here's what
he said.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Just this morning, the Pennsylvania Department of Health announced the
first two measles associated deaths in Pennsylvania in 35 years.
Both of the individuals were from Lancaster County and both
were unvaccinated. We hope and we pray that those deaths
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will be the last.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Now, we have a Lancaster County coroner. His name is
Stephen Diamantoni. And the coroner there disputing Josh Shapiro, claiming
the two deaths stemming from measles didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Child died shortly after birth. I think recessive tative efforts
after the birth were unsuccessful, and the child was brought
into our office for autopsy. What the autopsy demonstrated was
a laceration of the spleen with massive bleeding. So that
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was the cause of death. At the time of the autopsy,
we did obtain some tissue from the newborn and sent
it for PCR testing that did confirm the presence of measles.
but measles was not the cause of death. The spleen
did not appear infected by measles, it was not enlarged,
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and our forensic pathologist indicated that it did not appear inflamed.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, so could the ruptured spleen have been complicated by measles?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
In the opinion of the forensic pathologist, no.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So how would this newborn contract measles? Was it from
the mother?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Presumably from the mother, yes.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
We know very little.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
We don't know who that other individual is.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
We have not been given any information as to who
the other individual is.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, and you don't know why or how they got
that information.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Now, the question I have, you know, COVID became weaponized
and politicized, especially by the left. And we were given
so much misinformation, fed lies, outright lies by people. And
it got beyond frustrating. And unfortunately, the American people were
not given valuable information they could have used. We can't
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allow that to happen here. Now, Josh Parsons is a
commissioner in Lancaster County.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Mr.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Parsons, thank you for being with us, Commissioner. We appreciate
your time. OK, so Josh Shapiro, your governor, is claiming
two deaths from measles in Lancaster County. The coroner who
makes the official cause of death is saying that is
absolutely not true at all and that the the person
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of the death case. yeah, there was evidence that there
was measles, but it was not at all the cause
of death and that it was likely obtained from the mother.
Is that correct in your view?
Speaker 8 (18:57):
Hey, Sean, yeah, you have it correct. And you were
exactly right in what you said in the setup to this,
which is during COVID, the trust was broken with health
authorities and government. And the way to restore that is
to be very transparent and accurate and honest. And that's
not what happened in this press conference. The governor came
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in to Lancaster County and gave a press conference where
he said there was two measles-associated deaths. Well, the whole
media ran with that, and national media saying that there
were two deaths in Lancaster County. Not one media fact-checked
him or asked any hard questions about that. And I
did because, you know, we got all kinds of questions
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about this. So I dug into it, called the coroner,
and the coroner told me there were zero measles deaths
in Lancaster County. So I put that out publicly. I've
been very careful about documenting everything that I've said in
my social media, every piece of evidence. And the evidence
shows what was said was not accurate.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
All right. Just to be clear, there's been a lot
of debate and a lot of people want to believe
their governor. And that with the infant that we're talking
about that died at birth, the coroner has been transparent,
sharing his conclusions. That of the forensic pathologist that by
state law, he is the one that makes the ultimate
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conclusion here, not some governor who has no scientific background.
And but the state officials then share what they thoroughly
reviewed and how they came to their conclusion. And yet
I see that there are groups of people, and maybe
you can tell me who this group of people are,
because on August 25th, Protect Our Care, and I'm not
sure what group that might be or who those people
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might be, or if it's an individual, put out a statement,
Trump and RFK's juniors, anti-vax crusade, just got two Pennsylvanians killed.
Is that a true statement, sir?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Well, there's a lot of issues there, what you just said.
I think the... the key issue is the transparency. And
so I have said all along that there is nuance
to these cases. You could have a person who dies
and measles could have contributed to that. However, it is
incumbent on the people who came in and gave a
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big press conference and blew this up nationally to say
why they believe that is true. On our side, our coroner,
our first forensic pathologists have been very transparent and articulated
why they think measles did not contribute to this death.
On the other side, you have the governor basically saying, no,
it was measles and everything else around it is top secret.
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And that doesn't fly anymore post-COVID. People want to know
the facts and the truth, and they want accurate information.
And by the way, we have a second case that
we have zero information on still a week later. And
in fact, Pennsylvania law requires that if someone dies of
a contagious disease and it's a public health threat, which
it clearly would be, that that needs to be reported
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to the coroner under the law. And we have no
report to the coroner. So either there is no second
measles death or there is and someone is in violation
of the law.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Now, I noticed that there was a medical doctor by
the name of Mary Talambodin. Now, this is an ex post.
But anyway, you know, she is is pointing out what
people are saying about this. Although the coroner, who is
legally the one that makes the official decision, in fact,
contradicts this this narrative that is that has emerged here. That, quote,
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Trump and RFK Jr. 's anti-vax crusade just got two
Pennsylvanians killed. I also went and I looked up and
tell me if I'm correct in my analysis of this.
Isn't there Pennsylvania statutory language and law, specifically 18P, Pennsylvania,
CS 4905, false alarms to agencies of public safety if
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a person commits this offense knowingly causing a false alarm
of fire or other emergency be transmitted to any official
or volunteer organization? that handles emergencies? In other words, is
there a potential legal issue behind the comments of the governor?
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Well, I think there's a number of potential legal issues here.
The reporting issue is one that I've talked about, and
we're looking at that. The number of them, I'm not
quite sure how many different legal issues there are. I
guess my bottom line is I just want transparency, and
I just want the facts for our citizens and our
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constituents to You know, with regard to your statement about
the governor also used this press conference as a venue
to attack Secretary Kennedy. And, you know, I thought that
was really inappropriate. I mean, whatever the governor thinks of
Bobby Kennedy, he is the head of a large federal
government agency, and they have offered to come in and
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help Pennsylvania. And every other state where they've offered that,
the state has accepted, whether it's Democrats or Republicans. And
Secretary Kennedy actually called me and offered to help as well.
So I'm very grateful for that. I'm very grateful for
the fact that they're offering to help Pennsylvania. I'm not
sure why any governor would turn down that federal government help.
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As an example, the county works with the state all
the time. The county is Republican-led, the state's Democrat-led. We
work with them all the time. We just did on
a tornado we had here. If you care about your citizens,
then you're willing to just work regardless of who's head
of the agency.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
All right, quick break. We'll come back more with Lancaster
County P.A. Commissioner Josh Parsons on the other side. Did
the governor of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania give out false
medical information? More on that in your calls coming up. 800-941-SHAWN. Also,
Miranda Devine, as we continue on this Monday. All right,
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our final moments. I mean, this controversy emerging in Lancaster County, PA,
where the governor declared that two people died of measles. Meanwhile,
the coroner is officially contradicting the governor. With Josh Parsons,
he's a commissioner in Lancaster County. I just want to
get to the bottom of it, but there are absolutely
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zero confirmed deaths, and you are a commissioner in Lancaster County.
And after speaking with the coroner, the allegation and statement
made by your governor is false? Is that a fair statement?
Speaker 8 (25:28):
That is the best information that we have right now. Again,
I am open to the possibility that this is true,
but it is incumbent on the state officials to say why.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
But according to the coroner that examined this case, whose
final word is the determination in any case, according to
that coroner that you spoke to, the answer is measles
did not cause the death of this child or any
child in Lancaster County. Is that true, sir?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
That is correct. There's the first case, which is the
infant case, and they're saying it did not contribute. There's
a second case, which we know nothing about. And also
in that clip you provided of the governor, he was
deceptive because he said that both of these individuals were unvaccinated.
That's the only information they provided. Well, it turns out,
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because I dug into this and found out, and then
the coroner was transparent, that this child died essentially at childbirth.
So the child had no chance to be vaccinated. So
that was a true statement that the governor gave, but
it was deceptive. because you don't say that about a
child that never had a chance to be vaccinated. They
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also said that this was the first measles-associated death in
35 years. That was deceptive, too, because 35 years ago,
people were actually dying of measles. That's not the case here,
as we know the facts.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, I mean, look, I do care about the health
of people in your county, sir, like I care about
the health of every American, and we have to be
forever vigilant And I know that there's a lot of
controversy involving vaccines and every parent, you know, has to
make informed decisions. During COVID, I would never give out
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medical advice because I'm not a doctor. I'm not going
to start today. I just urge people to take all
these things seriously, to do their own background and research,
make consultations with the medical professionals they trust. And then
they're going to have to make up their own mind.
You know, I'm not as a talk show host equipped
to do so. And I would say the same thing
applies for the people in your great county. And I
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don't want anybody to die from measles. I don't want
anybody to die, period. I wish we could all live forever. Well,
you actually can in paradise. But as long as, you know,
it's sad when you hear a tragedy that a young
child dies. It's always sad. But anyway, we do appreciate
you being with us. And we do appreciate your time.
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Commissioner Josh Parsons, Lancaster County. And we need to get
to the bottom of this. And the governor, I think,
has some explaining to do. Linda, see if the governor
will come on the program. I'd appreciate it. 800-941-SHAWN if
you want to be a part of the program. We'll
get to your calls coming up. Miranda Devine coming up.
We got a great Hannity, 9 Eastern on the Fox
News Channel. Kevin Reddington, the attorney for Lindsay Clancy, specifically
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attacking me and Nancy Grace by name. We will respond
in full tonight at 9 on Hannity on the Fox
News Channel.
Hour 2, Sean Hannity Show, toll free. Our number is
800-941-SEAN if you want to be a part of the program.
So I noticed, and it's kind of gone a little
bit viral on social media, that the attorney, defense attorney
for Lindsey Clancy, literally, by the way, this guy's been
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talking to the media left, right, and sideways, and then
all of a sudden he's complaining the media's covering his
case I guess if you don't cover it perfectly the
way he wants you to, then he's not that happy.
But this is Kevin Reddington, Lindsey Clancy's attorney, singling out
yours truly and our friend Nancy Graves for the coverage
of this case. Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's been, obviously, a long weekend, okay? You're all journalists, reporters,
news media, and this weekend has been horrific with the coverage.
And by that, I mean Mr. Hannity with his men
discussing every little inch of Lindsay's symptoms and criticizing Nancy Grace,
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to coin a phrase, the queen of mean, who misrepresents facts.
I challenge Nancy Grace to show us where Lindsay Clancy
ever said, ever Googled how to kill words that came
out of her mouth. And these things hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Just for the record, yes, we've covered it more extensively
on TV than on this radio program, but we've covered both.
Just for the record, you know, Mr. Hannity and his men. Well,
Tiffany Smiley was on our show defending his client multiple
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nights in a row last week. Not only did we
have Nancy Grace as well. Last time I checked, Nancy's
not a man. Mr. Hannity and his men. Dr. Chloe Carmichael, again,
another guest on the topic. Jamie Franklin, again, another female
on the topic. Kaylee McGee White. We all know Kaylee.
(02:11):
She's on Fox a lot, as is Isabel Brown. Oh,
all on talking about the case. Maybe he just doesn't
like the fact that they have an opinion different than
than he does. And that of his client. Sorry, you
don't like other people's analysis, but then stop going before
the press every day and maybe talk. You know, you
should stop making comments. Now, he made this comment in
(02:33):
closing arguments. I think it's worth playing again. And this
is when he said the soul of this mother was
ripped out of her by the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I told you in the opening statement that this is
a prosecution that has ripped the soul out of this girl.
How does this turn into.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
This? How? How?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Because of the damn medicine and the lousy medical care
that she got.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Now, let's go to the FBI psychiatrist who commented on
this case, was an expert witness in this case, casting
doubt on Lindsay Clancy's story about hearing voices. I'm sure Mr.
Reddington didn't like this testimony. It would be my educated guess.
Take a listen.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Did the defendant tell you that the voice told.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Her where to kill the children? No Did the voice
tell her how to kill the children? No Did the
voice tell her what to use to kill the children?
No Did the voice tell her in what order to
kill the children? No Did the voice tell her where
to try to kill herself? No Did the voice tell
(03:50):
her in what way to kill herself?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Then, of course, you know, it goes on from there.
And and I think this is really, really imperative. Now,
let's go back. There are two sides of this story.
There is the prosecution that is seeking a guilty verdict
of murder one. And the assistant D.A., Jennifer Sprague, says
Lindsay Clancy left her children discarded on a basement floor
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like broken toys.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
She killed them.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And she left them there on the floor with the
bands around their necks. She didn't bring them up to
their beds and put them with their favorite stuffed animal
and cover them up gently and lovingly, leaving them peacefully there.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
No.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
She left them discarded on the basement floor like broken
toys because she was done playing the game.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Now she further goes on to say Lindsay was a nurse,
that she knew the effects that her medication, would have
on her and knew it for months. Listen to this
closing argument.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
If you look at their journal, you look at this
journal that the defense counsel showed you, she's very detailed
about when she took medication, what she took, the amount
she took, what the effect was for months. She knows
as a nurse the importance of following the instructions of
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your medications. She knows how important it is to follow
the plan and do what's on the bottle and do
what your provider tells you.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And then one of these moments that I'm talking about, again, Mr.
Reddington's critical of people talking about the case, but these
were comments that he made saying that Lindsay Clancy is
a darn good mother.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
This young lady.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Did nothing wrong in her life. She was a nurse,
a daughter, a wife. And a darn good mother.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
All right, joining us now to weigh in on this,
also singled out by name this weekend by Lindsay Clancy's attorney,
Kevin Reddington, is our friend Nancy Grace. I take issue
with ever calling Nancy Grace mean. Maybe he should have
a little bit of understanding about who Nancy Grace is,
and I'll say this for her. Nancy Grace was 19
(06:15):
years old. When her fiance was brutally murdered, it changed
the entire trajectory of her life. She is a victim
of violent crime. And out of out of the ashes,
you know, sprung a person that actually cares about victims
(06:37):
of crimes. And one of my biggest complaints in this
case is people on social media and people outside the courtroom.
You know, they never mentioned the names or referenced the
three dead children that were strangled. And anyway, Nancy Grace,
thank you for being with us. And anything but mean,
you're kind, you're compassionate, especially towards victims.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well, Sean, I really don't know where to start, but
let me take a plunge. I did not get into
the business of representing crime victims, victims of violent crime,
to be crowned Miss Sweet Potato. I'm not going to
be the homecoming queen. I'm not going to be Miss Congeniality.
And you know why?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'll call you Miss Sweet Potato because I know what
a loving, kind mother you are and human being you
are and how compassionate you are.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I tell myself all of that over and over to
steel myself against attacks. I do what I do and
have done ever since Keith was murdered because I believe.
I believe if you sit by... and do nothing when
others have been mistreated, have been raped, have been assaulted,
(07:48):
have been killed, then you are part of the problem.
And more important, I have watched over the years when
children or infants are the victims of violent crime and
seemingly punishments are lesser when children are the victims, especially
in murders, because they're not there to be heard. No
(08:10):
one is representing the three victims in this case. So Mr.
Reddington can say whatever he wishes about me, but let
me address the facts of this case. When I said
there were disturbing... probative Google searches, there were. For instance,
(08:32):
where is a carotid artery? How to slit your throat?
Can you turn off airbags on a Kia Sorento? And
can you treat a sociopath? Why? Why are those searches
on her devices? So what I reported is exactly correct.
(08:55):
What he may think about me is irrelevant as we
look at what happened to those three children, Dawson, Cora,
and Callan. They were herded down to the basement, and
I don't know anybody out there ever tried to herd
tots through an airport or basically into the car even.
It's not always easy. The moment that door shut behind
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her husband on a trip, she arranged and even timed
out How long would it take him to get to
pick up the takeout at the furthest restaurant away that
they had ever been to and then on a wild
goose chase to get Miralax at CVS for the children?
And he calls home in the middle of this and
speaks to her and she acts perfectly normal. Am I
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supposed to believe, Sean, that when that door slammed, suddenly
she heard a voice saying, kill your children so you
can be free. And she goes, okay, no, that is
not what happened. In my criminal prosecution practice, auditory hallucinations
do not just pop up at that moment and you go, oh, sure,
(10:01):
I'll go murder my children. Auditory hallucinations can come on
up to years before the violence peaks. minutes, she hears
a voice, an evil male voice for the first and
last time, and she follows it. How many times in
our lives have we had the urge or the thought
to do something wrong? And God, help me. I hope
(10:23):
I fight it. I hope I fight wrong. But she
hears the voice and says she kills her children. She goes,
herds them to the basement. gets exercise bands, and strangles him.
That is not up for argument. She admits she did that.
The only issue is, did she have a psychotic break?
(10:44):
And I compare a break to something like a heart
attack or a stroke where you really, you don't know
what happened. That's what a break is. but she could
speak to her husband when he called her in the
middle of all this and act perfectly fine. Listen, Sean,
I don't like it. I think I, along with everybody else,
search for a reason. Why would a mother do this
(11:05):
to their children? How could she? She must be crazy.
She was not in the middle of a psychotic break.
That's the only issue. She admits she did it, not
her husband. We have to determine, was she out of
her mind in a psychotic break? No, she was not.
Do I stand by my analysis?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And Mr. Reddington can vilify me all he wants. That
is not the issue. The issue is his client's alleged
psychotic break at the behest of an unknown male voice.
I don't believe it. I don't believe it happened that way.
Am I torn up about the three children? Yes, I am.
(11:47):
I love nothing more in the world than my children,
and I remember them at this age. Yes, I'm torn
up about it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I want to go specifically. Now, she was looking up
things like schizophrenia, psychosis, hallucination, bipolar disorder, wellbutrin, excuse me,
for depression, ketamine, you know, can you treat a sociopath,
how to tell if you're sleep-deprived, depressed, how to slit
your own throat. And there's a couple that really stick
(12:15):
out to me that I don't understand. Kids Miralax. The
CVS Pharmacy, various searches on Apple Maps to calculate driving times,
distances to the pharmacy. And consciously, didn't she ask the husband,
wasn't testimony presented that she asked the husband to go
out before she did all this?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Well, you're absolutely correct, Sean. And I'm certainly not a Pollyanna.
I would disagree with you if I thought you were wrong.
In good faith, but you're not.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You've yelled at me on my own show before, so
I know you'll disagree.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yes, you have. That's all right. The audience loves it.
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But that specific search. It's why I'm saying what I'm saying,
and I don't expect everybody to like what I'm saying.
But this is the truth. In the middle of a
psychotic break or just before an alleged psychotic break, she
times her husband's trip. She sends him on the errand
(13:15):
to the furthest restaurant away when they're so much closer
to bring back takeout. She sends him for Miralax for
the children at CVS. She even calls CVS to see
if they have it. He won't bother her by calling
and saying, hey, they don't have it. Where else should
I go? You know, all of this shows she was
in her right frame of mind. Was she depressed?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Was she having postpartum depression? Clearly. But the only issue, Sean,
is was she in a psychotic break at the time
she murdered the children? And if she can rationalize all
of that, time out his trip. The door shut and
she kills him immediately. That was planned. Sorry. As I've
(13:59):
said before, it's like a dirt sandwich to chew that
and swallow it. But that is what happened, whether people
like it or not.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I have one final question I'd like to ask Mr. Reddington.
If he doesn't want any press coverage, why does he
keep going before the press, number one? Number two, if
you want to single me out, explain to me why
in closing arguments you talk about the soul of the children.
I mean, the soul of the woman that's on trial,
but what about the soul of the three kids? Nancy Grace,
(14:29):
we'll have more on TV tonight. We'll show this video.
I don't like being attacked, but If he doesn't want
a case public, maybe he himself should keep his mouth shut.
We appreciate your time and thank you for your analysis
as always. By the way, for the record, we did
invite Mr. Reddington on this program last week. He never
got back to us. We asked him on the program
(14:51):
again tonight. So far, no response. He did not get
back to us. We've offered him a ton of time
to be on our TV show. Quick break. Right back.
All right. On this Monday, you know, I can't stand,
especially on health issues after COVID. When something comes up
health wise and there's been an attempt by the left
(15:12):
to create this panic that somehow, you know, measles and AIDS.
an increase in measles cases are in certain parts of
the country. It's something to pay attention to. I mean,
you just should if it's health related. But I want
to know the truth. Here's the problem. So we've got
(15:33):
a case in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And I want to play
a couple of things for you so you fully understand
the magnitude of this, where Because it's a critical update.
And I don't want people being deceived in Lancaster, PA
or anywhere in the country. And the governor of Pennsylvania,
the Commonwealth, Governor Josh Shapiro, said that there have been
(15:56):
two deaths from measles in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Here's what
he said.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
Just this morning, the Pennsylvania Department of Health announced the
first two measles associated deaths in Pennsylvania in 35 years.
Both of the individuals were from Lancaster County and both
were unvaccinated. We hope and we pray that those deaths
(16:22):
will be the last.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Now, we have a Lancaster County coroner. His name is
Stephen Diamantoni. And the coroner there disputing Josh Shapiro, claiming
the two deaths stemming from measles didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Child died shortly after birth. I think recessive tative efforts
after the birth were unsuccessful, and the child was brought
into our office for autopsy. What the autopsy demonstrated was
a laceration of the spleen with massive bleeding. So that
(16:58):
was the cause of death. At the time of the autopsy,
we did obtain some tissue from the newborn and sent
it for PCR testing that did confirm the presence of measles.
but measles was not the cause of death. The spleen
did not appear infected by measles, it was not enlarged,
(17:22):
and our forensic pathologist indicated that it did not appear inflamed.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, so could the ruptured spleen have been complicated by measles?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
In the opinion of the forensic pathologist, no.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So how would this newborn contract measles? Was it from
the mother?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Presumably from the mother, yes.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
We know very little.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
We don't know who that other individual is.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
We have not been given any information as to who
the other individual is.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, and you don't know why or how they got
that information.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Now, the question I have, you know, COVID became weaponized
and politicized, especially by the left. And we were given
so much misinformation, fed lies, outright lies by people. And
it got beyond frustrating. And unfortunately, the American people were
not given valuable information they could have used. We can't
(18:20):
allow that to happen here. Now, Josh Parsons is a
commissioner in Lancaster County.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Mr.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Parsons, thank you for being with us, Commissioner. We appreciate
your time. OK, so Josh Shapiro, your governor, is claiming
two deaths from measles in Lancaster County. The coroner who
makes the official cause of death is saying that is
absolutely not true at all and that the the person
(18:48):
of the death case. yeah, there was evidence that there
was measles, but it was not at all the cause
of death and that it was likely obtained from the mother.
Is that correct in your view?
Speaker 8 (18:57):
Hey, Sean, yeah, you have it correct. And you were
exactly right in what you said in the setup to this,
which is during COVID, the trust was broken with health
authorities and government. And the way to restore that is
to be very transparent and accurate and honest. And that's
not what happened in this press conference. The governor came
(19:18):
in to Lancaster County and gave a press conference where
he said there was two measles-associated deaths. Well, the whole
media ran with that, and national media saying that there
were two deaths in Lancaster County. Not one media fact-checked
him or asked any hard questions about that. And I
did because, you know, we got all kinds of questions
(19:39):
about this. So I dug into it, called the coroner,
and the coroner told me there were zero measles deaths
in Lancaster County. So I put that out publicly. I've
been very careful about documenting everything that I've said in
my social media, every piece of evidence. And the evidence
shows what was said was not accurate.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
All right. Just to be clear, there's been a lot
of debate and a lot of people want to believe
their governor. And that with the infant that we're talking
about that died at birth, the coroner has been transparent,
sharing his conclusions. That of the forensic pathologist that by
state law, he is the one that makes the ultimate
(20:17):
conclusion here, not some governor who has no scientific background.
And but the state officials then share what they thoroughly
reviewed and how they came to their conclusion. And yet
I see that there are groups of people, and maybe
you can tell me who this group of people are,
because on August 25th, Protect Our Care, and I'm not
sure what group that might be or who those people
(20:39):
might be, or if it's an individual, put out a statement,
Trump and RFK's juniors, anti-vax crusade, just got two Pennsylvanians killed.
Is that a true statement, sir?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Well, there's a lot of issues there, what you just said.
I think the... the key issue is the transparency. And
so I have said all along that there is nuance
to these cases. You could have a person who dies
and measles could have contributed to that. However, it is
incumbent on the people who came in and gave a
(21:12):
big press conference and blew this up nationally to say
why they believe that is true. On our side, our coroner,
our first forensic pathologists have been very transparent and articulated
why they think measles did not contribute to this death.
On the other side, you have the governor basically saying, no,
it was measles and everything else around it is top secret.
(21:34):
And that doesn't fly anymore post-COVID. People want to know
the facts and the truth, and they want accurate information.
And by the way, we have a second case that
we have zero information on still a week later. And
in fact, Pennsylvania law requires that if someone dies of
a contagious disease and it's a public health threat, which
it clearly would be, that that needs to be reported
(21:57):
to the coroner under the law. And we have no
report to the coroner. So either there is no second
measles death or there is and someone is in violation
of the law.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Now, I noticed that there was a medical doctor by
the name of Mary Talambodin. Now, this is an ex post.
But anyway, you know, she is is pointing out what
people are saying about this. Although the coroner, who is
legally the one that makes the official decision, in fact,
contradicts this this narrative that is that has emerged here. That, quote,
(22:32):
Trump and RFK Jr. 's anti-vax crusade just got two
Pennsylvanians killed. I also went and I looked up and
tell me if I'm correct in my analysis of this.
Isn't there Pennsylvania statutory language and law, specifically 18P, Pennsylvania,
CS 4905, false alarms to agencies of public safety if
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a person commits this offense knowingly causing a false alarm
of fire or other emergency be transmitted to any official
or volunteer organization? that handles emergencies? In other words, is
there a potential legal issue behind the comments of the governor?
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Well, I think there's a number of potential legal issues here.
The reporting issue is one that I've talked about, and
we're looking at that. The number of them, I'm not
quite sure how many different legal issues there are. I
guess my bottom line is I just want transparency, and
I just want the facts for our citizens and our
(23:35):
constituents to You know, with regard to your statement about
the governor also used this press conference as a venue
to attack Secretary Kennedy. And, you know, I thought that
was really inappropriate. I mean, whatever the governor thinks of
Bobby Kennedy, he is the head of a large federal
government agency, and they have offered to come in and
(23:56):
help Pennsylvania. And every other state where they've offered that,
the state has accepted, whether it's Democrats or Republicans. And
Secretary Kennedy actually called me and offered to help as well.
So I'm very grateful for that. I'm very grateful for
the fact that they're offering to help Pennsylvania. I'm not
sure why any governor would turn down that federal government help.
(24:16):
As an example, the county works with the state all
the time. The county is Republican-led, the state's Democrat-led. We
work with them all the time. We just did on
a tornado we had here. If you care about your citizens,
then you're willing to just work regardless of who's head
of the agency.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
All right, quick break. We'll come back more with Lancaster
County P.A. Commissioner Josh Parsons on the other side. Did
the governor of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania give out false
medical information? More on that in your calls coming up. 800-941-SHAWN. Also,
Miranda Devine, as we continue on this Monday. All right,
(24:52):
our final moments. I mean, this controversy emerging in Lancaster County, PA,
where the governor declared that two people died of measles. Meanwhile,
the coroner is officially contradicting the governor. With Josh Parsons,
he's a commissioner in Lancaster County. I just want to
get to the bottom of it, but there are absolutely
(25:13):
zero confirmed deaths, and you are a commissioner in Lancaster County.
And after speaking with the coroner, the allegation and statement
made by your governor is false? Is that a fair statement?
Speaker 8 (25:28):
That is the best information that we have right now. Again,
I am open to the possibility that this is true,
but it is incumbent on the state officials to say why.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
But according to the coroner that examined this case, whose
final word is the determination in any case, according to
that coroner that you spoke to, the answer is measles
did not cause the death of this child or any
child in Lancaster County. Is that true, sir?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
That is correct. There's the first case, which is the
infant case, and they're saying it did not contribute. There's
a second case, which we know nothing about. And also
in that clip you provided of the governor, he was
deceptive because he said that both of these individuals were unvaccinated.
That's the only information they provided. Well, it turns out,
(26:20):
because I dug into this and found out, and then
the coroner was transparent, that this child died essentially at childbirth.
So the child had no chance to be vaccinated. So
that was a true statement that the governor gave, but
it was deceptive. because you don't say that about a
child that never had a chance to be vaccinated. They
(26:40):
also said that this was the first measles-associated death in
35 years. That was deceptive, too, because 35 years ago,
people were actually dying of measles. That's not the case here,
as we know the facts.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, I mean, look, I do care about the health
of people in your county, sir, like I care about
the health of every American, and we have to be
forever vigilant And I know that there's a lot of
controversy involving vaccines and every parent, you know, has to
make informed decisions. During COVID, I would never give out
(27:15):
medical advice because I'm not a doctor. I'm not going
to start today. I just urge people to take all
these things seriously, to do their own background and research,
make consultations with the medical professionals they trust. And then
they're going to have to make up their own mind.
You know, I'm not as a talk show host equipped
to do so. And I would say the same thing
applies for the people in your great county. And I
(27:38):
don't want anybody to die from measles. I don't want
anybody to die, period. I wish we could all live forever. Well,
you actually can in paradise. But as long as, you know,
it's sad when you hear a tragedy that a young
child dies. It's always sad. But anyway, we do appreciate
you being with us. And we do appreciate your time.
(27:58):
Commissioner Josh Parsons, Lancaster County. And we need to get
to the bottom of this. And the governor, I think,
has some explaining to do. Linda, see if the governor
will come on the program. I'd appreciate it. 800-941-SHAWN if
you want to be a part of the program. We'll
get to your calls coming up. Miranda Devine coming up.
We got a great Hannity, 9 Eastern on the Fox
News Channel. Kevin Reddington, the attorney for Lindsay Clancy, specifically
(28:22):
attacking me and Nancy Grace by name. We will respond
in full tonight at 9 on Hannity on the Fox
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