February 28, 2025 • 39 mins
Veteran MLB writer, Mike DiGiovanna hops on the show to talk about his career and experiences covering the Angels and Dodgers as his time with the LA Times has come to an end. Paul George is stepping away from his podcast to focus on helping the 76ers compete for the NBA title.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan and Jonas knocks
in today for Rodney on AM five seventy La Sports. Jonas.
I would just like to ask for our listeners that
do listen to beginning at three am here on AM
five seventy. How do you do this turnaround?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I mean, like the amount of sleep, Yes, well, there's
not a lot. You just you get a little two
hour nap, and then with the two hour nap you
are able to get through and everything's good, you know,
like it's uh, you just you operate on naps. I'll
get some sleep later on and it's all good. I
(00:41):
just I try not to fight. It's the same thing
with being sick. I don't focus on being sick. I
just when somebody says, like, you know, you're sick, like
what are you talking about? I pretend like it doesn't exist.
So I just pretend like there's no issue whatsoever. And
then you know, I've I've had eight hour sleep. What
do you mean I haven't at eight hour sleep? I
did the and then I just convinced myself otherwise than
(01:02):
we're good to go.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Do you know for forty years I slept four and
a half hours a night. For forty years. That is
not healthy, Jonas, No, and I'm concerned about your health
and that's why I bring it up.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, lookd four and a half hours, be sweet.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Right, That's why I look the way I do.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, well you look great.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I look like I've been hit by a bus.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I don't say that. That's a good looking bus.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's very kind.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You like that, Fred?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, I didn't, Mane.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now let's bring on Mike dgi Havanna of the La Times,
or was of the La Times. Mike d Gevanna of
course covered baseball forever, Angels, Dodgers, National Baseball, other things,
and he joins the show and Mike, how are you today?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Fred? Doing fine?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I am with the La Times for another so at
six to seven hours, I believe. But thanks.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, So, Mike, you've made a decision, and after how
many years this isn't You're you're going to step aside.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Forty four as a sports writer, forty one with the
LA Times, the last thirty covering baseball. So yeah, I'm
hoping it's more of a semi retirement. For the next
year or two. I'd like to keep my hand in
the game. Somehow, whether it's freelancing, some kind of you know,
in some capacity, and stay busy for another year or two.
I'm not quite sixty five yet, but it's been a
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pretty long run. I started when I was pretty darn young,
and yeah, forty four years in so pretty you know,
a little bit of an emotional day, not gonna lie.
I had a staff meeting this morning and set our farewells,
and you know, a lot of people calling and texting,
and it's crazy, just so many people from like, way
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in the way in the past, you know, Like I
got some guy on Twitter said something like he was
covering a high school game with me in nineteen eighty
five and we were trying to get down and talk
to the coach or a football game, and apparently he
was going too slow, so I shoved him. Aside, I
must have been on a tight deadline that night, so
I apologize. I apologize profusely for that. That's usually not
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how I act, but you know how it is, deadline man,
deadline pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Mike, what are the you mentioned It's been an emotional day, Like,
what are what's the overriding emotion for you? Is it excitement, sadness, gratitude,
Like how do you kind of capsulate everything?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think hard to Yeah, mostly gratitude and little sadness.
I mean, this is this is all I was planning
on working this year and at least probably at least
two more seasons. And this We got a buyout offer
on February third and needed to make a decision within
a week, so, you know, going over things with a
(03:49):
financial planner and all the logistics of it, it actually
lined up. I almost was really strongly considering a buyout
last year, but decided to stay. So it all happens.
So suddenly it's still a little bit head spinning. But
when you do something this long and you know, you
still enjoy it for the most part, despite you know,
the grind of it and the deadline and the I
(04:12):
mean the amount of work is always covering the Dodgers.
It's just it's always immense. It's NonStop late nights, a
lot of travel. Uh, you know, there's just a lot
of things lifestyle wise that you know, I'm sure when
you know, if I'm not an opening day this season,
it's going to hit me like wow, you know, you
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kind of it's a lifestyle doing what we do and
you guys know that you're just covering sports is different.
So to just stop cold Turkey is a little uh
jarring mentally for sure, But just sadness that, you know,
I'm leaving a group of people at the Times, and
so many of them from all the years I worked
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there are no longer there because we've had so many cutbacks.
But I mean, just look at the baseball crew I've
been able to work with over the last decade, you know,
covering the Dodgers. Bill Plashkin and Dylan Hernandez are columnists.
Bill Shakin, one of the finest national writers in the country.
Jack Harris, probably the best up and coming. He's not
even up and coming anymore. He's arrived. You know. I
(05:18):
just heard he's won a couple other national APSA Awards
this year just today, great young beat writer and before
him were at casteo Andy McCullough. So just the talent
to be able to work with at the Times has
been I feel very fortunate. So yeah, mostly gratitude, sadness.
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Excitement will come when I get in a plane and
visit my grandkids in March, and you know, maybe as
I continue, as I'm able to do some of those
things and not be so beholden to the daily deadlines
and daily grind of a baseball beat. Then I'll probably
get a little excited.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Mike, did you Levanna of the Times is with us? Okay?
When you flip through the card catalog of your mind,
what are the images you see over the years you
covered baseball?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Woo man, there's so many. I mean, I was just
talking to Shape this morning. My first year in the Angels,
it was ninety five, and you know, the Angels had
like a eleven game lead in late July early August,
and they somehow managed to put together two nine game
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losing streaks in the last six weeks, so the season
suffer one of the biggest collapses in baseball history. Go
to Seattle for one game. Let's say we finished a
regular season in Anaheim on a Sunday. The Angels had
to win that to force a one game playoff. We
flew to Seattle the next morning. I think it was
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a one o'clock game. Randy Johnson, as you might recall, pitched,
was rather dominant that day. End of the Angel season,
and the Angels went home and most of the other
writers went home. I got on a red eye that night,
flew from Seattle to New York and was in Yankee
Stadium the next night for the first round of the
first game of the Division Series. And then you know,
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we have that great Yankees Mariner series that went five games,
and I covered the Alcs with Cleveland and Seattle and
Amazon of the World Series Atlanta and Cleveland, and it's like,
my god, is it like this every year? And somehow
managed to stay on baseball for thirty years? But yeah,
just you know that year where I was in Camden
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Yards for Cal Ripken breaking Lou Garritts record. You know,
the ninety seven World Series, a walk off hit fregarrand
Aria Craig Councils scoring the winning run. The two thousand
and one that whole two thousand and one postseason, the
wake of nine to eleven, those crazy uh you know
comebacks in Yankee Stadium against the Diamondbacks and then then
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Arizona winning on a walk off uh Luis Gonzales hit
that was pretty stunning. Uh. You know the Dave Roberts
stolen bass game I was at in Fenway Park in
two thousand and four and covering that great Red Sox
come back and the end of the Curse of the Bambino. Uh,
you know, the Angels win in their World Series and
O two and and they're great playoff runs from four
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to oh nine, and then you know, unfortunately, you know,
some of the some of the things I remember most
are when like nick Aiden you know, nick Aiden Hart
died in the car accident, you know, nine, and being
in Texas when Tyler Skaggs died in twenty nineteen. I
mean a lot of highs, a lot of amazing lows,
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and some really you know, emotional stories and really difficult
stories to cover. But you kind of you hang around
sports long enough, you're going to pretty much see the
whole gambit when it comes to that. And then, you know,
I think part of this decision was made a little
easier knowing that, Hey, the last regular season game I
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covered for the Times as the World Series clincher in
Yankee Stadium. Not a bad way to go out. So
you know, last last October was pretty pretty wild ride
with the Dodgers. So just a lot of yeah, a
lot of really good memories like that, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Favorite player or manager to cover during your.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Time, hm, HM, players, there's so many, uh, those those
Angels teams in the nineties and two thousands had so
many characters. Lee Smith and Chuck Finley on one team,
two of the funniest guys I've ever you know, covered, uh,
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Chilie Davis, Darren Nurse, that Gary Dusar seeing uh, really
quality guys. And then you get into the Tory Hunters
and guys like that, just and even away from the Angels.
I mean, I was lucky enough to write about baseball
in the eighties. I remember long chats with guys like
Tony Gwynn. I was an Angel Stadium when Kirby Puckett
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made his debut and I remember that in nineteen eighty
four and I did a story. I think I wrote
about him that day. Just a wonderful guy. Favorite managers, well,
I think somebody did in the math. Mike Soshia and
I think have had the longest tenure together of any
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baseball writer and manager. He probably isn't real happy about that,
but I always like Mike. I know we had butted
heads for a while. I'm trying to think I covered
him for so long. And Dave Roberts is you know,
I covered him as a player with the Dodgers and
now as a manager, So can I take the fifth
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on this? I don't want to offend anybody. I guess
I'll just put it this way. You know, Mikes Osha
and I, I know we we butted heads at times,
but I respected the hell out of him. I don't
know if he respected the hell out of me, but
he always knew he had a job to do, and
I think he was respectful of that. And the fun,
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the fun really, the things I remember the most managers
are when the notepads and the recorders get turned off
or put away, and maybe the the you know, the
the television pregame TV, you know, network or whether or
whatever has turned the cameras off and you're just sitting
on the bench shooting the breeze. Happens a little more
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on the road when there's not as many writers, but
just those conversations about baseball, about life, the funny stuff
that you know, we hear and we can't print necessarily
some of the funny stories. And Mike'soshia was always great
about that because he had such a an interesting upbringing
with the Dodger organization, you know, playing for Tom so
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we're in all those characters, so you know, those are
sort of things I'll probably miss the most you ever.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get in trouble for printing something you shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Hmm, I'm sure I have. I'm just trying to excuse me.
I'm just trying to remember the latest. I mean, I didn't,
you know, I remember my first year on the Angels Beat,
something happened in the clubhouse in spring training. Something was
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said in the clubhouse that was really hilarious and it
wasn't anything offensive or controversial, and I and I and
I wrote it in the paper and Mark Langston pulled
me aside the next day and said, hey, uh, you know,
when you write, you can't just write stuff you over
here in the clubhouse. You know, it's okay to write
if you get permission from whoever said it. Uh. And
(12:52):
that was, you know, that was a lesson learned. So,
you know, a lot of there's a lot of lessons
along the way. Sometimes I learned the hard way, but
I tried to. I feel like I was usually pretty
good about, you know, off the record, on the record,
making sure that when you know, there's a lot of
nuance in our business, somebody may say off the record
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and you know, maybe you take it as on background
and you can write it without naming that person, and
some things are not for print. You know, that's sort
of evolved over the years to where you know there's
different you just want to make sure you're on the
same page. And if I've ever if I ever had
a doubt, I will I will say to that person, Hey,
just so A're sure it's okay to write this without
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using your name, or just so you're sure you don't
want this in the paper at all. So you know,
you kind of learn how to how to handle it
those situations as you've gain a little more experience.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Was there an aspect of the job, and it could
be anything that you look at and go, well, at
least I o't to do that anymore, like your least
favorite part of it that you're You're glad in a way,
I'm not having to go through that travel anything like that.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean there's been we've had some just career,
just dealing with travel in general. When you're flying commercial,
as anybody knows, there's just so many problems that can arise.
I mean the last Game five and Yankee Stadium, we
were at the stadium so late, I think we all
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I walked out of there at like three point thirty
in the morning doing Hernandez and I've gotten a cab
or something to go back. We were racing back to
the hotel so we could pack and change. So we
go to the airport. You know, I'm sixty two years old,
I'm pulling on all nighter. So yeah, that kind of
thing you won't miss. Just a lot of there's you
(14:46):
if you've ever been around and if you hang around
a clubhouse long enough, there's just so much waiting. You know,
there's so much like so often you're waiting in the
clubhouse to talk to maybe one or two people you
really need and they're not there, so you're just standing
in the clubhouse. And you know, I've always made a
point of trying not to linger or later, and you know,
if I'm in there and there's a guy i can
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just you know, have small talk with or maybe talk
to about another story, and I'll try to try to,
you know, spend my time productively in there. But there's
a lot of people just hanging around the clubhouse. And
that part, you know, we said, joke, how many walls
have we held up in this clubhouse? You know, just
waiting that part I won't miss the constant. The one thing,
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you know, with the internet coming in early whatever two thousands,
as the Internet evolved, we were no longer you know,
a daily newspaper. We were a twenty We became a
twenty four hour news operation. So I could cover a
game and be on deadline like three different times at
night for three different editions of the paper, stay afterward
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and write, you know, some of the extra story for
the web the next morning, drive home for you know,
an hour from Dodger staying, and get up the next morning. Oh,
he guess what, the Dodgers just made a big trade.
And you know, you're you're up working at eight a m.
The next day because big news broke and then you
got to you know, get in the car that afternoon
and go to the stadium again. So I just hope
(16:15):
people really respect the hours, you know, some of these
baseball writers especially put in to doing the job they do,
and I hope they appreciate it, because man, it's it's
a lot of work to do the job well and
to do it right. And and I think at least
with our Dodger coverage, I think I think we're getting
it right.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, you've done it well, you've done it right, and
you've done it for an awful long time. Thank you
for coming on today. Thank you Fred, and uh yeah,
I have you know and uh you really you did.
You did the fans of LA proud, and most importantly, Mike,
you did yourself proud. So we really appreciate this.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well. Thank you, Fred. I really appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
All right, there we goes Mike d Giovanna, what a
run very soon formally of the times, what a run.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'll great like And I know you and I, you know,
bust each other's balls and we have fun on the
show and all that. But one of the things that
I always have appreciated is the people who laid the
foundation for anybody to still be a part of this
business in any way, shape or form, whether it's a writer,
radio host, TV, et cetera. You're you and Mike, for example,
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and there's several others. The longevity you guys have had
in this business. I don't think people understand how difficult
that is to do that consistently for that long at
such a high level. I really, and as somebody who's
nowhere close to where you guys have at from a
longevity or where you guys are at from a longevity
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standpoint and a success standpoint, Like I hope that you,
Fred and a guy like Mike can take a step
back and look at the totality of your career and realize, damn,
like I've had a really, really good run. That is
not common, and not only just this business, but in
a lot of businesses.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So I think the problem is you can't do that
till you're done, seriously. But what Mike will find out,
and that's what he was kind of alluding to, is
if you do what we do for a living, you're
probably going seventy five miles an hour a day. Seriously. Yeah,
you're in constant motion. You're talking to people, you're making calls,
you're on the air, you're setting things up, you're trying
(18:34):
to put things together. That becomes a normal part of
your life. So getting up at eight, driving, doing the job,
going to bed late, getting up early, that's really who
you are. And I think it's really difficult if somebody says, Okay,
well now you can retire, can you can you going
seventy five miles an hour, That's like slamming into a
(18:56):
brick wall. Just stopping. How do you do that? How
do you learn to do that? I think it's hard.
I think if you've done this for any period of time,
a long time, just because of the way it is
in any form of media, you are constantly moving, and
when you stop, I think you go through withdrawals. I
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think it's going to be really hard.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, it's all like there was a there's a UFC fight.
He's one of the better fighters of all time, Alex Volkanowski,
and he took a fight when he shouldn't have taken
a fight against maybe the best fighter in the world,
Islam Makajef, And he took this fight and ended up
like taking a beating. And they asked him like, hey,
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you know you took this fight on like eleven days notice.
He said, I wasn't in shape, I wasn't training, I
was partying, but I felt like I needed to do
something because I was losing my mind that amount of
time off he had in between fights, and he's the
champion in between fights, and he almost went into a
little bit of a nervous breakdown because the routine, Like
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you don't realize how much you're dependent on the routine
that once all of a sudden, you don't have that
daily routine to your point that you're going seventy five
miles an hour towards a goal each day. I've got this, dude,
I've got that to do. He was looking around like, well,
now what And he only took a fight because that's
that was his normal, And like, I'm the same. I
(20:24):
don't know about you. Whenever I get the random days
that I have off, there are times where I'm looking around, going,
so what do I do?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I like people ask me like, what are your hobbies?
This I don't golf, Like like I like to do.
This is what I like to do. So when you
don't have it or it's not there, hell, yeah, there's
an adjustment. Like I get it. I totally understand.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
When people have asked me to play golf, I always
answer the same way, when would I have time? When
do I have time to play golf? I mean it
was a choice. It's a choice. SHO make it the
choice I make. Everybody makes choices in life. But when
do I have time? Yeah, I've worked from not it
Channel four. It was nine in the morning till midnight.
What am I going to play golf?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Come on out. When when would you like me to
show up in between forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
In between your six and eight report.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean it's it's just a I think it's
going to be an adjustment for him. But listen, he
has earned the right to go out on his own.
And uh, I think he is going to be missed
because Mike t gi Ivanna truly was was one of
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great writer. Now, unfortunately, we're going to lose a great
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voice in the world of podcasting. That's next, Okay, Jonas
Naxen Today, for Rodney, this is bad. This is just bad.
It's very troubling to report this end of the road.
And look, one of the reasons I said all along
that the Clippers should have kept Paul George instead of
(22:20):
Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I said that, Oh that take aged well nice, excuse me,
Oh sorry, I didn't know my Michael was on.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I thought I said that to just Ron.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Was that in the air.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
That's like bragging that you've got seventy UI's.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Anyway, But I said that for two reasons, and the
first one had nothing to do with basketball. The first
one had to do with the fact that I just
loved the podcast he did, and I thought he should
originate that podcast from Los Angeles Paul George. I thought
that's why the Clippers should keep him, keep him here.
(22:55):
Sure he can play basketball, but I love the podcast.
So then he signed to the seventy six ers, gets hurt,
and now now he's not going to do the podcast anymore.
Here listen to.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Him, fellas.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
It's no secret this season is up to this point, man,
it hasn't been what we envision. I know my goal
when I first signed with Philadelphia was to bring a
championship to these amazing fans here.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I still remain.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Positive about that and that is still the case and
where I'm coming from. With that being said, though, I
want to let the podcast Pee family know that after
today's episode, with Dwhite. I plan to take a break
from the pod just to focus on getting my body right,
getting mentally right, and you know, help this squad make
a push towards our goal to finish the season. I'll
(23:43):
give ourselves a chance to be in contentions to compete
for a championship.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
There's a better chance of the Sparks winning a title
in the NBA than the Sixers.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Okay, all right, yeah, I don't think you have to
doubt him like that.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I don't He's on the way back right yeah, oh yeah,
on the comeback trail.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Joel Embiid done for the year six Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, well that that you know at that point, Joel Embiid,
Joel Embiid is kind of the Zion Williamson philosophy. We
got to sign him because, man, if he's healthy, he's
going to be good. We got to pay him all
that money because what if he's healthy? What what if?
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So if he's not, now, what are we gonna do?
Because we certainly don't want him to go anywhere else.
That's the problem with the NBA. That is a major
problem with the NBA. We can't let him go because
if he does and he's healthy, we're screwed, so we'll
give him a four year deal for seventeen billion dollars
and he's not good. Oh good, Well what are we
gonna do now? But for Paul George to give up
(24:47):
the podcast, it's it's shocking to me to see an
athlete who is paid an awful lot of money say
I got to focus on what I'm getting paid to do.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
This has been a distraction.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I got to, you know, I really got to step
back a minute and take a hard look at who
I am and what I do. And I make the
majority of my money playing basketball. So apologies to everyone else,
but I'm gonna have to cut back on the podcast
to focus on what pays me all my money.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Wouldn't wouldn't this be the ideal year to have a podcast,
so you're not just stuck in the mud with this
wretched season, and you can be at least I've got
an outlet. I've got to creative outlet. I could go
do a podcast, and at least I got something that
I can look forward to because our team stinks like
we like there If you would have told anybody, hey,
(25:41):
before the season, the Sixers are going to be sitting
Joel Embiid for the entire year because they've got a
top six protected pick in the lottery and they're focused
on that. Nobody would have believed you. Nobody, But that's
how bad the season's been. And I can't imagine in
that town with the savages, who are the Philly fans
are going to be real forgiving to the fact that hey,
(26:04):
how come the Eagles can do it and you guys can't, Like,
I can't imagine that that's going over well. So if
I were Paul, if I was Paul, George would be like, no,
I'm gonna continue on. I need an outlet. I need
to create an outlet. But instead, you know, he's got
to focus on making sure they'll keep their top six pick.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
See, the thing is this, if they're if he's hurt
and they're cruising along and when he comes back, he'll
put him over the top. That's one thing. He's hurt
and they're awful and it doesn't matter. And if Rodney
were here, he would say, well, everybody has a life.
I get it. But when you're paid that kind of
money to play basketball, you have time to do a podcast.
Your team is awful and you can't play, you need
(26:40):
to step back.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean, I don't think taking a shot at Rodney
was necessary there.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I mean nobody would say that. I know he would.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
He's loved in the city of Philadelphia. I don't know
that you need to do that here on this show.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Well he was love, Yeah, he was beloved. But even
when he was playing for the Eagles, people used to
attack his wife in the crowd. Okay, and the people
attacking his wife and the crowd were her family members. Yeah,
if he's tow an interception, her family members would start
attacking her in the crowd because they were mad that
(27:10):
he to an interception. So he might have been beloved,
but you know, that only.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Goes so far there, I guess.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I guess they only had only go so far.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I mean based on the you know what we saw
after the Super Bowl at the parade, I mean, you know,
I mean, listen, when you're blowing chunks over a railing
at nine in the morning, like that's that's a different breed.
They're a different fan base, you know. I mean they're
you know, punching police horses in twenty seventeen, and it
just you know, it's a wild bunch. But Paul George
(27:42):
apparently has decided I'm going to go ahead and get
rid of my creative outlet and I'm just going to
focus on on the task at hand.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Shocking, He's going to focus on what he gets paid
the most to do.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Now, you were a big fan of the podcast? Correct?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Loved it?
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Yeah, loved it?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Merch and everything like you like, you've got to like
a podcast, p merch and all that.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I tried, but they were out of it when I
when I tried to order.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
What was your favorite episode?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wow? I don't even know the third one? Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Yeah, you saw like Lebron James talking about the Goyfather.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Fred's like Lebron with podcasts. He always reads the first
one exactly. It's the first pond.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I mean, there's just so many iconic lines. I can't
possibly re court one.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Fred, what's in your queue? Ah? The first one again?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Huh oh yeah, they're also great. I can't possibly pick
my favorite this. I asked you which one is my favorite?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Child?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, why would you do that to me? Put
me in that position? It's just not there. Kevin. Uh
all right, Angel City FC, let me tell you about
it one more time. All right, kicks off their twenty
twenty five season Sunday at home against rival San Diego Wave.
It's March sixteenth. Every fan in attendant's gonna get a
(28:52):
souvenir flag. You can waive that thing at a schedule magnet.
You can stick it right up on your refrigerator. Yet
tickets before they sell out any dot com and stream
all games live.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And wait to space thos out.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I'm behind anyway. The keyboard is angel City FC. I
missed the first one fin.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The way, can I can I tell you a great
story about old school radio when we come back.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
When we come back, tell that Jonas Nautchin today for Rodney.
Did you want to tell us an old school radio story?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh yeah, this is uh the great Mike North You
know Mike Northred.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Why do I know the name?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Chicago sports radio legend, like one of the founding fathers
of sports talk radio and North like like old school
back when radio was like first coming out, like early nineties.
You know, it was a Mike and the Mad Dog.
We're like the first, and Chicago wanted to do their things.
So North got in there and and so working with Mike,
(29:59):
he would tell me all these old you know, war
stories from doing old school radio, and so like when
you're doing radio, like you have sponsors, you have commercials,
things like that you have to do throughout the course
of the show. Like that's that's part of your paying
the bills, so to speak. And North, apparently when he
first started, was so bad at it because he had
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like he was just on fire, like just a legend
that he said that at the end of each show,
the entire final segment was all the sponsor reads that
he hadn't gotten in throughout the first three four hours.
So you would do everything from like we're brought to
you by ex Checker Pizza and Wabash in Chicago, come around,
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and we're also brought to you by Flood Brothers, and
like it's just like he would rattle up like fifteen
minutes of spots that he didn't get in because sports
radio was hitting and everybody wanted in and so they
were they commpletely sold out their inventory, but because he
had missed them, the entire final ten to fifteen minutes
(31:07):
were all ads that he would have to run in
succession in order to get them all in and pay
the bills, so to speak. So I think he did
a fine job I just wanted to point that out.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I don't think they would let us do that here. No, No,
I don't think we could do that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, no, that would work.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Welcome back for the next twelve minutes. Yeah that's not
let's tell you who we're brought to you.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, you know that's not not great that ideal. By
the way, how are we doing on the Are you
getting inundated with any promotional bits from a Elpoyo loco or.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Let me look have you?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I haven't checked. I've been so locked in on the show.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I haven't checked me too.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
But we were kicking that around because we're convinced, you know,
with people listening to you on every device, if you
just kind of throw out some random business or random
company or whatever, that this should eventually pop up in
your algorithm because they're listening.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I got nothing too. What are you checking?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I'm checking Instagram, I'm checking Twitter. Uh yeah, I'm looking everywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, I'm checking Twitter out. Oh my god, I am
not lying to you. I just looked at Twitter.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah you got in and out. Really, I swear to God,
good for you. See it works, they're listening.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I had in and out. So the deal was. We
were talking earlier about how you can talk about something
and the next thing you know, you receive an AD
for it. You haven't searched for it. Uh, you've just
talked about it with somebody and we said, what elo
loco and in and out? Yeah, I just looked at
Twitter in and out?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Now how far do you have to scroll? Let me
see if I can get one.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I didn't have to scroll far. What's your favorite thing
to order from our secret menu? In and out?
Speaker 7 (32:59):
See?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I told you, man, that's crazy. Yeah, might all suck.
This is not I mean, this is just like no.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
The point is if you talk about something, all of
a sudden, you see an ad for it. We can't
figure out how that happens, but it happens all the time.
Or you'll get an email and you're not even scrolling
for or searching for anything. You just say it. I
cannot believe that happened. I did get in and out.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It makes you want, By the way, what's the closest
in and out to you out there in the desert.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's probably ten minutes from here.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
How about that? Probably ten minutes bring something back for Kevin?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
All right? How about five guys. Let's try that.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I'd rather have five guys the burgers and fries and
you finish that sentence.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Had him not getting me.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
It's like deadliest catch. I thought we had one. We
lived well. Listen jonas we lift the pot up. There's
nothing in.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I know.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I've been labeled as like, my hot take is that
in and Out sucks. I don't believe that in and
Out sucks. I just think that it's overrated and it's
not worth waiting five hours before or an average ish
slash maybe slightly above average hamburger.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
There's got to agree with you. There's got to be
a point during the day where it's less than peak,
because every time I drive by the drive throughs a
mile long. There's got to be a point during the
day that we're like, if you're gonna go, go at
this time.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
I've never seen it. I really haven't.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, it's it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
If it opens at eleven am, i'd say go, then.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I've seen it full for breakfast through Fred Yeah, absolutely,
there's one that not that far from me. I drive
by it all the time.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
People are camped out waiting for in and Out.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Maybe it's like that old club trick where they try
and make the club seem more popular, so they make
people stand out in front, and it's like, oh, that
place is in demand, we got to get in there.
And then you walk in there and there's like three
people standing around drinking zemas.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Well. The zemas are the problem.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Well, so I don't know, I just think listen, if
you're listening to these conversations between Fred and I, I mean,
you know, continue on, prove it.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I'll I'll tell you this coming on with you five guys.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Very good, very but.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
We're gonna mark that tape right there there it is.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I guess you got me. Uh but you know I've
said this before, and anybody that has spent time in
a place with these uh these Hamburger places, understand what
burger waa burger is, what a burger should be. Waa
burger is great. Never had it, You've never had waterburg.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I've had it. It wasn't that great, Fred.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
This was Ronnie's right. Really not well.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Also, the service, at least at the particular one that
I went to just outside Dallas, wasn't great.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
And I was excited to try it, and I did
try one just outside of Dallas too, actually incited the
Dallas Airport. Uh, And it wasn't what I thought it
would be.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, they'll suck at the airport money. It's not real
water Burger.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Why why did the sign say Waterburger?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Fred?
Speaker 7 (35:56):
And why did they charge waburger prices?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Why is it not real burger?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Because it's at the airport. That's different.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
So you're trying to tell me the Popeye's Chicken at
LAX's is not a real Popeye's Chicken.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
At the Hudson Grill in Burbank like this, it's an
actual restaurant. There's a it's a restaurant, exclusive Waaburger restaurant.
Why would it be different?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
All Right, So I'm walking through an airport and I
see the Palm restaurant in an airport. If I go
to the Palm, do you think it tastes like the
Palm at the airport? No, it's the Palm Airport. If
you stay at a hotel at the airport.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What the hell is the Palm restaurant? What is that
a restaurant. I've never heard of the Palm restaurant.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
I've heard of the Palm Resort in Vegas you've never
heard of the Palm restaurant.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, I was just one of those like fancy like
down in the lace. Okay, Yeah, well Fred, like you know,
we don't live that life, dude, Like you can.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Eat a steak once in a while.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Now we go, we stick at Sizzler, Fred, that's where
we are.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
That's not you can go in corral.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Yeah. We walk up to the door at the pall,
we get rejected.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
That's how that went to the audience.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
And it Sellsbury staked around here.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Don't you guys just hate it when you're yacht doesn't
go fast enough.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Let me tell you about my problem.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Listen, the airport Sizzler, okay, and that and that's a
good way to look at it. Sizzler at the airport
is like Sissler anywhere. It's the same Sisler.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It's not the same as Burger though.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No, wa Burger is a quality, top notch Hamburger place,
and if it's at the airport, it's like Waaburger.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Quality, top top notche.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
I would I would challenge right, I'd say in and
out it's better than Waaburger. Fred, No, it's not based
on my experience.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, were you drinking.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
No, I was on an airplane. Fred, I got off
the plane. I was hungry. I went to Waburger. It
wasn't good, right, Well, you were still adjusting from altitude.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You wouldn't know. That doesn't count.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I'll any The in and out service is certainly better.
After my friends and I made an order and drove
up to the window, and they said.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
What is y'all order again?
Speaker 6 (38:06):
They're like a couple of double whatever. We ain't got that?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Are you sure because we ordered? No, we ain't got that?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Right?
Speaker 6 (38:14):
What y'all older again? A hold on?
Speaker 7 (38:16):
Are you sure you didn't go to good Burger?
Speaker 6 (38:18):
And might as you know, Rannie might as well have
been might as well have been.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Fred Fritz perplex you? What is good Burger? I've never
heard of that.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I've never heard of good Burger. I don't know what
that is.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Yeah, I figured that, Fred, listen.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I do want to take a second to talk about
Angel City FC.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know what, Hey, why don't we knock out next
week too?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Okay? Ram fans Matthew Stafford's stay and that means another dosa.
Kelly and Tata gotta their trade offs, Matthew, but you
get the Queen of sleep number commercials Kelly and Tata.
Bennie Bond, singer joined US next
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan and Jonas knocks
in today for Rodney on AM five seventy La Sports. Jonas.
I would just like to ask for our listeners that
do listen to beginning at three am here on AM
five seventy. How do you do this turnaround?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I mean, like the amount of sleep, Yes, well, there's
not a lot. You just you get a little two
hour nap, and then with the two hour nap you
are able to get through and everything's good, you know,
like it's uh, you just you operate on naps. I'll
get some sleep later on and it's all good. I
(00:41):
just I try not to fight. It's the same thing
with being sick. I don't focus on being sick. I
just when somebody says, like, you know, you're sick, like
what are you talking about? I pretend like it doesn't exist.
So I just pretend like there's no issue whatsoever. And
then you know, I've I've had eight hour sleep. What
do you mean I haven't at eight hour sleep? I
did the and then I just convinced myself otherwise than
(01:02):
we're good to go.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Do you know for forty years I slept four and
a half hours a night. For forty years. That is
not healthy, Jonas, No, and I'm concerned about your health
and that's why I bring it up.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, lookd four and a half hours, be sweet.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Right, That's why I look the way I do.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, well you look great.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I look like I've been hit by a bus.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I don't say that. That's a good looking bus.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's very kind.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You like that, Fred?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, I didn't, Mane.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now let's bring on Mike dgi Havanna of the La Times,
or was of the La Times. Mike d Gevanna of
course covered baseball forever, Angels, Dodgers, National Baseball, other things,
and he joins the show and Mike, how are you today?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Fred? Doing fine?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I am with the La Times for another so at
six to seven hours, I believe. But thanks.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, So, Mike, you've made a decision, and after how
many years this isn't You're you're going to step aside.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Forty four as a sports writer, forty one with the
LA Times, the last thirty covering baseball. So yeah, I'm
hoping it's more of a semi retirement. For the next
year or two. I'd like to keep my hand in
the game. Somehow, whether it's freelancing, some kind of you know,
in some capacity, and stay busy for another year or two.
I'm not quite sixty five yet, but it's been a
(02:26):
pretty long run. I started when I was pretty darn young,
and yeah, forty four years in so pretty you know,
a little bit of an emotional day, not gonna lie.
I had a staff meeting this morning and set our farewells,
and you know, a lot of people calling and texting,
and it's crazy, just so many people from like, way
(02:47):
in the way in the past, you know, Like I
got some guy on Twitter said something like he was
covering a high school game with me in nineteen eighty
five and we were trying to get down and talk
to the coach or a football game, and apparently he
was going too slow, so I shoved him. Aside, I
must have been on a tight deadline that night, so
I apologize. I apologize profusely for that. That's usually not
(03:09):
how I act, but you know how it is, deadline man,
deadline pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Mike, what are the you mentioned It's been an emotional day, Like,
what are what's the overriding emotion for you? Is it excitement, sadness, gratitude,
Like how do you kind of capsulate everything?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think hard to Yeah, mostly gratitude and little sadness.
I mean, this is this is all I was planning
on working this year and at least probably at least
two more seasons. And this We got a buyout offer
on February third and needed to make a decision within
a week, so, you know, going over things with a
(03:49):
financial planner and all the logistics of it, it actually
lined up. I almost was really strongly considering a buyout
last year, but decided to stay. So it all happens.
So suddenly it's still a little bit head spinning. But
when you do something this long and you know, you
still enjoy it for the most part, despite you know,
the grind of it and the deadline and the I
(04:12):
mean the amount of work is always covering the Dodgers.
It's just it's always immense. It's NonStop late nights, a
lot of travel. Uh, you know, there's just a lot
of things lifestyle wise that you know, I'm sure when
you know, if I'm not an opening day this season,
it's going to hit me like wow, you know, you
(04:33):
kind of it's a lifestyle doing what we do and
you guys know that you're just covering sports is different.
So to just stop cold Turkey is a little uh
jarring mentally for sure, But just sadness that, you know,
I'm leaving a group of people at the Times, and
so many of them from all the years I worked
(04:55):
there are no longer there because we've had so many cutbacks.
But I mean, just look at the baseball crew I've
been able to work with over the last decade, you know,
covering the Dodgers. Bill Plashkin and Dylan Hernandez are columnists.
Bill Shakin, one of the finest national writers in the country.
Jack Harris, probably the best up and coming. He's not
even up and coming anymore. He's arrived. You know. I
(05:18):
just heard he's won a couple other national APSA Awards
this year just today, great young beat writer and before
him were at casteo Andy McCullough. So just the talent
to be able to work with at the Times has
been I feel very fortunate. So yeah, mostly gratitude, sadness.
(05:41):
Excitement will come when I get in a plane and
visit my grandkids in March, and you know, maybe as
I continue, as I'm able to do some of those
things and not be so beholden to the daily deadlines
and daily grind of a baseball beat. Then I'll probably
get a little excited.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Mike, did you Levanna of the Times is with us? Okay?
When you flip through the card catalog of your mind,
what are the images you see over the years you
covered baseball?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Woo man, there's so many. I mean, I was just
talking to Shape this morning. My first year in the Angels,
it was ninety five, and you know, the Angels had
like a eleven game lead in late July early August,
and they somehow managed to put together two nine game
(06:31):
losing streaks in the last six weeks, so the season
suffer one of the biggest collapses in baseball history. Go
to Seattle for one game. Let's say we finished a
regular season in Anaheim on a Sunday. The Angels had
to win that to force a one game playoff. We
flew to Seattle the next morning. I think it was
(06:51):
a one o'clock game. Randy Johnson, as you might recall, pitched,
was rather dominant that day. End of the Angel season,
and the Angels went home and most of the other
writers went home. I got on a red eye that night,
flew from Seattle to New York and was in Yankee
Stadium the next night for the first round of the
first game of the Division Series. And then you know,
(07:14):
we have that great Yankees Mariner series that went five games,
and I covered the Alcs with Cleveland and Seattle and
Amazon of the World Series Atlanta and Cleveland, and it's like,
my god, is it like this every year? And somehow
managed to stay on baseball for thirty years? But yeah,
just you know that year where I was in Camden
(07:35):
Yards for Cal Ripken breaking Lou Garritts record. You know,
the ninety seven World Series, a walk off hit fregarrand
Aria Craig Councils scoring the winning run. The two thousand
and one that whole two thousand and one postseason, the
wake of nine to eleven, those crazy uh you know
comebacks in Yankee Stadium against the Diamondbacks and then then
(07:58):
Arizona winning on a walk off uh Luis Gonzales hit
that was pretty stunning. Uh. You know the Dave Roberts
stolen bass game I was at in Fenway Park in
two thousand and four and covering that great Red Sox
come back and the end of the Curse of the Bambino. Uh,
you know, the Angels win in their World Series and
O two and and they're great playoff runs from four
(08:21):
to oh nine, and then you know, unfortunately, you know,
some of the some of the things I remember most
are when like nick Aiden you know, nick Aiden Hart
died in the car accident, you know, nine, and being
in Texas when Tyler Skaggs died in twenty nineteen. I
mean a lot of highs, a lot of amazing lows,
(08:43):
and some really you know, emotional stories and really difficult
stories to cover. But you kind of you hang around
sports long enough, you're going to pretty much see the
whole gambit when it comes to that. And then, you know,
I think part of this decision was made a little
easier knowing that, Hey, the last regular season game I
(09:04):
covered for the Times as the World Series clincher in
Yankee Stadium. Not a bad way to go out. So
you know, last last October was pretty pretty wild ride
with the Dodgers. So just a lot of yeah, a
lot of really good memories like that, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Favorite player or manager to cover during your.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Time, hm, HM, players, there's so many, uh, those those
Angels teams in the nineties and two thousands had so
many characters. Lee Smith and Chuck Finley on one team,
two of the funniest guys I've ever you know, covered, uh,
(09:49):
Chilie Davis, Darren Nurse, that Gary Dusar seeing uh, really
quality guys. And then you get into the Tory Hunters
and guys like that, just and even away from the Angels.
I mean, I was lucky enough to write about baseball
in the eighties. I remember long chats with guys like
Tony Gwynn. I was an Angel Stadium when Kirby Puckett
(10:12):
made his debut and I remember that in nineteen eighty
four and I did a story. I think I wrote
about him that day. Just a wonderful guy. Favorite managers, well,
I think somebody did in the math. Mike Soshia and
I think have had the longest tenure together of any
(10:34):
baseball writer and manager. He probably isn't real happy about that,
but I always like Mike. I know we had butted
heads for a while. I'm trying to think I covered
him for so long. And Dave Roberts is you know,
I covered him as a player with the Dodgers and
now as a manager, So can I take the fifth
(10:56):
on this? I don't want to offend anybody. I guess
I'll just put it this way. You know, Mikes Osha
and I, I know we we butted heads at times,
but I respected the hell out of him. I don't
know if he respected the hell out of me, but
he always knew he had a job to do, and
I think he was respectful of that. And the fun,
(11:17):
the fun really, the things I remember the most managers
are when the notepads and the recorders get turned off
or put away, and maybe the the you know, the
the television pregame TV, you know, network or whether or
whatever has turned the cameras off and you're just sitting
on the bench shooting the breeze. Happens a little more
(11:38):
on the road when there's not as many writers, but
just those conversations about baseball, about life, the funny stuff
that you know, we hear and we can't print necessarily
some of the funny stories. And Mike'soshia was always great
about that because he had such a an interesting upbringing
with the Dodger organization, you know, playing for Tom so
(12:00):
we're in all those characters, so you know, those are
sort of things I'll probably miss the most you ever.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get in trouble for printing something you shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Hmm, I'm sure I have. I'm just trying to excuse me.
I'm just trying to remember the latest. I mean, I didn't,
you know, I remember my first year on the Angels Beat,
something happened in the clubhouse in spring training. Something was
(12:29):
said in the clubhouse that was really hilarious and it
wasn't anything offensive or controversial, and I and I and
I wrote it in the paper and Mark Langston pulled
me aside the next day and said, hey, uh, you know,
when you write, you can't just write stuff you over
here in the clubhouse. You know, it's okay to write
if you get permission from whoever said it. Uh. And
(12:52):
that was, you know, that was a lesson learned. So,
you know, a lot of there's a lot of lessons
along the way. Sometimes I learned the hard way, but
I tried to. I feel like I was usually pretty
good about, you know, off the record, on the record,
making sure that when you know, there's a lot of
nuance in our business, somebody may say off the record
(13:12):
and you know, maybe you take it as on background
and you can write it without naming that person, and
some things are not for print. You know, that's sort
of evolved over the years to where you know there's
different you just want to make sure you're on the
same page. And if I've ever if I ever had
a doubt, I will I will say to that person, Hey,
just so A're sure it's okay to write this without
(13:34):
using your name, or just so you're sure you don't
want this in the paper at all. So you know,
you kind of learn how to how to handle it
those situations as you've gain a little more experience.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Was there an aspect of the job, and it could
be anything that you look at and go, well, at
least I o't to do that anymore, like your least
favorite part of it that you're You're glad in a way,
I'm not having to go through that travel anything like that.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean there's been we've had some just career,
just dealing with travel in general. When you're flying commercial,
as anybody knows, there's just so many problems that can arise.
I mean the last Game five and Yankee Stadium, we
were at the stadium so late, I think we all
(14:20):
I walked out of there at like three point thirty
in the morning doing Hernandez and I've gotten a cab
or something to go back. We were racing back to
the hotel so we could pack and change. So we
go to the airport. You know, I'm sixty two years old,
I'm pulling on all nighter. So yeah, that kind of
thing you won't miss. Just a lot of there's you
(14:46):
if you've ever been around and if you hang around
a clubhouse long enough, there's just so much waiting. You know,
there's so much like so often you're waiting in the
clubhouse to talk to maybe one or two people you
really need and they're not there, so you're just standing
in the clubhouse. And you know, I've always made a
point of trying not to linger or later, and you know,
if I'm in there and there's a guy i can
(15:07):
just you know, have small talk with or maybe talk
to about another story, and I'll try to try to,
you know, spend my time productively in there. But there's
a lot of people just hanging around the clubhouse. And
that part, you know, we said, joke, how many walls
have we held up in this clubhouse? You know, just
waiting that part I won't miss the constant. The one thing,
(15:31):
you know, with the internet coming in early whatever two thousands,
as the Internet evolved, we were no longer you know,
a daily newspaper. We were a twenty We became a
twenty four hour news operation. So I could cover a
game and be on deadline like three different times at
night for three different editions of the paper, stay afterward
(15:53):
and write, you know, some of the extra story for
the web the next morning, drive home for you know,
an hour from Dodger staying, and get up the next morning. Oh,
he guess what, the Dodgers just made a big trade.
And you know, you're you're up working at eight a m.
The next day because big news broke and then you
got to you know, get in the car that afternoon
and go to the stadium again. So I just hope
(16:15):
people really respect the hours, you know, some of these
baseball writers especially put in to doing the job they do,
and I hope they appreciate it, because man, it's it's
a lot of work to do the job well and
to do it right. And and I think at least
with our Dodger coverage, I think I think we're getting
it right.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, you've done it well, you've done it right, and
you've done it for an awful long time. Thank you
for coming on today. Thank you Fred, and uh yeah,
I have you know and uh you really you did.
You did the fans of LA proud, and most importantly, Mike,
you did yourself proud. So we really appreciate this.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well. Thank you, Fred. I really appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
All right, there we goes Mike d Giovanna, what a
run very soon formally of the times, what a run.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'll great like And I know you and I, you know,
bust each other's balls and we have fun on the
show and all that. But one of the things that
I always have appreciated is the people who laid the
foundation for anybody to still be a part of this
business in any way, shape or form, whether it's a writer,
radio host, TV, et cetera. You're you and Mike, for example,
(17:31):
and there's several others. The longevity you guys have had
in this business. I don't think people understand how difficult
that is to do that consistently for that long at
such a high level. I really, and as somebody who's
nowhere close to where you guys have at from a
longevity or where you guys are at from a longevity
(17:51):
standpoint and a success standpoint, Like I hope that you,
Fred and a guy like Mike can take a step
back and look at the totality of your career and realize, damn,
like I've had a really, really good run. That is
not common, and not only just this business, but in
a lot of businesses.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So I think the problem is you can't do that
till you're done, seriously. But what Mike will find out,
and that's what he was kind of alluding to, is
if you do what we do for a living, you're
probably going seventy five miles an hour a day. Seriously. Yeah,
you're in constant motion. You're talking to people, you're making calls,
you're on the air, you're setting things up, you're trying
(18:34):
to put things together. That becomes a normal part of
your life. So getting up at eight, driving, doing the job,
going to bed late, getting up early, that's really who
you are. And I think it's really difficult if somebody says, Okay,
well now you can retire, can you can you going
seventy five miles an hour, That's like slamming into a
(18:56):
brick wall. Just stopping. How do you do that? How
do you learn to do that? I think it's hard.
I think if you've done this for any period of time,
a long time, just because of the way it is
in any form of media, you are constantly moving, and
when you stop, I think you go through withdrawals. I
(19:18):
think it's going to be really hard.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, it's all like there was a there's a UFC fight.
He's one of the better fighters of all time, Alex Volkanowski,
and he took a fight when he shouldn't have taken
a fight against maybe the best fighter in the world,
Islam Makajef, And he took this fight and ended up
like taking a beating. And they asked him like, hey,
(19:41):
you know you took this fight on like eleven days notice.
He said, I wasn't in shape, I wasn't training, I
was partying, but I felt like I needed to do
something because I was losing my mind that amount of
time off he had in between fights, and he's the
champion in between fights, and he almost went into a
little bit of a nervous breakdown because the routine, Like
(20:03):
you don't realize how much you're dependent on the routine
that once all of a sudden, you don't have that
daily routine to your point that you're going seventy five
miles an hour towards a goal each day. I've got this, dude,
I've got that to do. He was looking around like, well,
now what And he only took a fight because that's
that was his normal, And like, I'm the same. I
(20:24):
don't know about you. Whenever I get the random days
that I have off, there are times where I'm looking around, going,
so what do I do?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I like people ask me like, what are your hobbies?
This I don't golf, Like like I like to do.
This is what I like to do. So when you
don't have it or it's not there, hell, yeah, there's
an adjustment. Like I get it. I totally understand.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
When people have asked me to play golf, I always
answer the same way, when would I have time? When
do I have time to play golf? I mean it
was a choice. It's a choice. SHO make it the
choice I make. Everybody makes choices in life. But when
do I have time? Yeah, I've worked from not it
Channel four. It was nine in the morning till midnight.
What am I going to play golf?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Come on out. When when would you like me to
show up in between forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
In between your six and eight report.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean it's it's just a I think it's
going to be an adjustment for him. But listen, he
has earned the right to go out on his own.
And uh, I think he is going to be missed
because Mike t gi Ivanna truly was was one of
the best writers I think in LA sports history. Angel
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(21:37):
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Keyword angel City FC. All right, so we've lost a
great writer. Now, unfortunately, we're going to lose a great
(21:59):
voice in the world of podcasting. That's next, Okay, Jonas
Naxen Today, for Rodney, this is bad. This is just bad.
It's very troubling to report this end of the road.
And look, one of the reasons I said all along
that the Clippers should have kept Paul George instead of
(22:20):
Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I said that, Oh that take aged well nice, excuse me,
Oh sorry, I didn't know my Michael was on.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I thought I said that to just Ron.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Was that in the air.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
That's like bragging that you've got seventy UI's.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Anyway, But I said that for two reasons, and the
first one had nothing to do with basketball. The first
one had to do with the fact that I just
loved the podcast he did, and I thought he should
originate that podcast from Los Angeles Paul George. I thought
that's why the Clippers should keep him, keep him here.
(22:55):
Sure he can play basketball, but I love the podcast.
So then he signed to the seventy six ers, gets hurt,
and now now he's not going to do the podcast anymore.
Here listen to.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Him, fellas.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
It's no secret this season is up to this point, man,
it hasn't been what we envision. I know my goal
when I first signed with Philadelphia was to bring a
championship to these amazing fans here.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I still remain.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Positive about that and that is still the case and
where I'm coming from. With that being said, though, I
want to let the podcast Pee family know that after
today's episode, with Dwhite. I plan to take a break
from the pod just to focus on getting my body right,
getting mentally right, and you know, help this squad make
a push towards our goal to finish the season. I'll
(23:43):
give ourselves a chance to be in contentions to compete
for a championship.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
There's a better chance of the Sparks winning a title
in the NBA than the Sixers.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Okay, all right, yeah, I don't think you have to
doubt him like that.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I don't He's on the way back right yeah, oh yeah,
on the comeback trail.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Joel Embiid done for the year six Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, well that that you know at that point, Joel Embiid,
Joel Embiid is kind of the Zion Williamson philosophy. We
got to sign him because, man, if he's healthy, he's
going to be good. We got to pay him all
that money because what if he's healthy? What what if?
(24:26):
So if he's not, now, what are we gonna do?
Because we certainly don't want him to go anywhere else.
That's the problem with the NBA. That is a major
problem with the NBA. We can't let him go because
if he does and he's healthy, we're screwed, so we'll
give him a four year deal for seventeen billion dollars
and he's not good. Oh good, Well what are we
gonna do now? But for Paul George to give up
(24:47):
the podcast, it's it's shocking to me to see an
athlete who is paid an awful lot of money say
I got to focus on what I'm getting paid to do.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
This has been a distraction.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I got to, you know, I really got to step
back a minute and take a hard look at who
I am and what I do. And I make the
majority of my money playing basketball. So apologies to everyone else,
but I'm gonna have to cut back on the podcast
to focus on what pays me all my money.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Wouldn't wouldn't this be the ideal year to have a podcast,
so you're not just stuck in the mud with this
wretched season, and you can be at least I've got
an outlet. I've got to creative outlet. I could go
do a podcast, and at least I got something that
I can look forward to because our team stinks like
we like there If you would have told anybody, hey,
(25:41):
before the season, the Sixers are going to be sitting
Joel Embiid for the entire year because they've got a
top six protected pick in the lottery and they're focused
on that. Nobody would have believed you. Nobody, But that's
how bad the season's been. And I can't imagine in
that town with the savages, who are the Philly fans
are going to be real forgiving to the fact that hey,
(26:04):
how come the Eagles can do it and you guys can't, Like,
I can't imagine that that's going over well. So if
I were Paul, if I was Paul, George would be like, no,
I'm gonna continue on. I need an outlet. I need
to create an outlet. But instead, you know, he's got
to focus on making sure they'll keep their top six pick.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
See, the thing is this, if they're if he's hurt
and they're cruising along and when he comes back, he'll
put him over the top. That's one thing. He's hurt
and they're awful and it doesn't matter. And if Rodney
were here, he would say, well, everybody has a life.
I get it. But when you're paid that kind of
money to play basketball, you have time to do a podcast.
Your team is awful and you can't play, you need
(26:40):
to step back.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I mean, I don't think taking a shot at Rodney
was necessary there.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I mean nobody would say that. I know he would.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
He's loved in the city of Philadelphia. I don't know
that you need to do that here on this show.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Well he was love, Yeah, he was beloved. But even
when he was playing for the Eagles, people used to
attack his wife in the crowd. Okay, and the people
attacking his wife and the crowd were her family members. Yeah,
if he's tow an interception, her family members would start
attacking her in the crowd because they were mad that
(27:10):
he to an interception. So he might have been beloved,
but you know, that only.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Goes so far there, I guess.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I guess they only had only go so far.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I mean based on the you know what we saw
after the Super Bowl at the parade, I mean, you know,
I mean, listen, when you're blowing chunks over a railing
at nine in the morning, like that's that's a different breed.
They're a different fan base, you know. I mean they're
you know, punching police horses in twenty seventeen, and it
just you know, it's a wild bunch. But Paul George
(27:42):
apparently has decided I'm going to go ahead and get
rid of my creative outlet and I'm just going to
focus on on the task at hand.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Shocking, He's going to focus on what he gets paid
the most to do.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Now, you were a big fan of the podcast? Correct?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Loved it?
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Yeah, loved it?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Merch and everything like you like, you've got to like
a podcast, p merch and all that.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I tried, but they were out of it when I
when I tried to order.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
What was your favorite episode?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Wow? I don't even know the third one? Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Yeah, you saw like Lebron James talking about the Goyfather.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Fred's like Lebron with podcasts. He always reads the first
one exactly. It's the first pond.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I mean, there's just so many iconic lines. I can't
possibly re court one.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Fred, what's in your queue? Ah? The first one again?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Huh oh yeah, they're also great. I can't possibly pick
my favorite this. I asked you which one is my favorite?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Child?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, why would you do that to me? Put
me in that position? It's just not there. Kevin. Uh
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twenty five season Sunday at home against rival San Diego Wave.
It's March sixteenth. Every fan in attendant's gonna get a
(28:52):
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You can stick it right up on your refrigerator. Yet
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all games live.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And wait to space thos out.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I'm behind anyway. The keyboard is angel City FC. I
missed the first one fin.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The way, can I can I tell you a great
story about old school radio when we come back.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
When we come back, tell that Jonas Nautchin today for Rodney.
Did you want to tell us an old school radio story?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh yeah, this is uh the great Mike North You
know Mike Northred.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Why do I know the name?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Chicago sports radio legend, like one of the founding fathers
of sports talk radio and North like like old school
back when radio was like first coming out, like early nineties.
You know, it was a Mike and the Mad Dog.
We're like the first, and Chicago wanted to do their things.
So North got in there and and so working with Mike,
(29:59):
he would tell me all these old you know, war
stories from doing old school radio, and so like when
you're doing radio, like you have sponsors, you have commercials,
things like that you have to do throughout the course
of the show. Like that's that's part of your paying
the bills, so to speak. And North, apparently when he
first started, was so bad at it because he had
(30:22):
like he was just on fire, like just a legend
that he said that at the end of each show,
the entire final segment was all the sponsor reads that
he hadn't gotten in throughout the first three four hours.
So you would do everything from like we're brought to
you by ex Checker Pizza and Wabash in Chicago, come around,
(30:45):
and we're also brought to you by Flood Brothers, and
like it's just like he would rattle up like fifteen
minutes of spots that he didn't get in because sports
radio was hitting and everybody wanted in and so they
were they commpletely sold out their inventory, but because he
had missed them, the entire final ten to fifteen minutes
(31:07):
were all ads that he would have to run in
succession in order to get them all in and pay
the bills, so to speak. So I think he did
a fine job I just wanted to point that out.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I don't think they would let us do that here. No, No,
I don't think we could do that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, no, that would work.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Welcome back for the next twelve minutes. Yeah that's not
let's tell you who we're brought to you.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, you know that's not not great that ideal. By
the way, how are we doing on the Are you
getting inundated with any promotional bits from a Elpoyo loco or.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Let me look have you?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I haven't checked. I've been so locked in on the show.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I haven't checked me too.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
But we were kicking that around because we're convinced, you know,
with people listening to you on every device, if you
just kind of throw out some random business or random
company or whatever, that this should eventually pop up in
your algorithm because they're listening.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I got nothing too. What are you checking?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I'm checking Instagram, I'm checking Twitter. Uh yeah, I'm looking everywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, I'm checking Twitter out. Oh my god, I am
not lying to you. I just looked at Twitter.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah you got in and out. Really, I swear to God,
good for you. See it works, they're listening.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I had in and out. So the deal was. We
were talking earlier about how you can talk about something
and the next thing you know, you receive an AD
for it. You haven't searched for it. Uh, you've just
talked about it with somebody and we said, what elo
loco and in and out? Yeah, I just looked at
Twitter in and out?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Now how far do you have to scroll? Let me
see if I can get one.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I didn't have to scroll far. What's your favorite thing
to order from our secret menu? In and out?
Speaker 7 (32:59):
See?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I told you, man, that's crazy. Yeah, might all suck.
This is not I mean, this is just like no.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
The point is if you talk about something, all of
a sudden, you see an ad for it. We can't
figure out how that happens, but it happens all the time.
Or you'll get an email and you're not even scrolling
for or searching for anything. You just say it. I
cannot believe that happened. I did get in and out.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It makes you want, By the way, what's the closest
in and out to you out there in the desert.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's probably ten minutes from here.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
How about that? Probably ten minutes bring something back for Kevin?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
All right? How about five guys. Let's try that.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I'd rather have five guys the burgers and fries and
you finish that sentence.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Had him not getting me.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
It's like deadliest catch. I thought we had one. We
lived well. Listen jonas we lift the pot up. There's
nothing in.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I know.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I've been labeled as like, my hot take is that
in and Out sucks. I don't believe that in and
Out sucks. I just think that it's overrated and it's
not worth waiting five hours before or an average ish
slash maybe slightly above average hamburger.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
There's got to agree with you. There's got to be
a point during the day where it's less than peak,
because every time I drive by the drive throughs a
mile long. There's got to be a point during the
day that we're like, if you're gonna go, go at
this time.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
I've never seen it. I really haven't.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, it's it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
If it opens at eleven am, i'd say go, then.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
I've seen it full for breakfast through Fred Yeah, absolutely,
there's one that not that far from me. I drive
by it all the time.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
People are camped out waiting for in and Out.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Maybe it's like that old club trick where they try
and make the club seem more popular, so they make
people stand out in front, and it's like, oh, that
place is in demand, we got to get in there.
And then you walk in there and there's like three
people standing around drinking zemas.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Well. The zemas are the problem.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Well, so I don't know, I just think listen, if
you're listening to these conversations between Fred and I, I mean,
you know, continue on, prove it.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I'll I'll tell you this coming on with you five guys.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Very good, very but.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
We're gonna mark that tape right there there it is.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I guess you got me. Uh but you know I've
said this before, and anybody that has spent time in
a place with these uh these Hamburger places, understand what
burger waa burger is, what a burger should be. Waa
burger is great. Never had it, You've never had waterburg.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I've had it. It wasn't that great, Fred.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
This was Ronnie's right. Really not well.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Also, the service, at least at the particular one that
I went to just outside Dallas, wasn't great.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
And I was excited to try it, and I did
try one just outside of Dallas too, actually incited the
Dallas Airport. Uh, And it wasn't what I thought it
would be.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, they'll suck at the airport money. It's not real
water Burger.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Why why did the sign say Waterburger?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Fred?
Speaker 7 (35:56):
And why did they charge waburger prices?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Why is it not real burger?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Because it's at the airport. That's different.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
So you're trying to tell me the Popeye's Chicken at
LAX's is not a real Popeye's Chicken.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
At the Hudson Grill in Burbank like this, it's an
actual restaurant. There's a it's a restaurant, exclusive Waaburger restaurant.
Why would it be different?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
All Right, So I'm walking through an airport and I
see the Palm restaurant in an airport. If I go
to the Palm, do you think it tastes like the
Palm at the airport? No, it's the Palm Airport. If
you stay at a hotel at the airport.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What the hell is the Palm restaurant? What is that
a restaurant. I've never heard of the Palm restaurant.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
I've heard of the Palm Resort in Vegas you've never
heard of the Palm restaurant.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, I was just one of those like fancy like
down in the lace. Okay, Yeah, well Fred, like you know,
we don't live that life, dude, Like you can.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Eat a steak once in a while.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Now we go, we stick at Sizzler, Fred, that's where
we are.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
That's not you can go in corral.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Yeah. We walk up to the door at the pall,
we get rejected.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
That's how that went to the audience.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
And it Sellsbury staked around here.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Don't you guys just hate it when you're yacht doesn't
go fast enough.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Let me tell you about my problem.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Listen, the airport Sizzler, okay, and that and that's a
good way to look at it. Sizzler at the airport
is like Sissler anywhere. It's the same Sisler.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It's not the same as Burger though.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No, wa Burger is a quality, top notch Hamburger place,
and if it's at the airport, it's like Waaburger.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Quality, top top notche.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
I would I would challenge right, I'd say in and
out it's better than Waaburger. Fred, No, it's not based
on my experience.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, were you drinking.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
No, I was on an airplane. Fred, I got off
the plane. I was hungry. I went to Waburger. It
wasn't good, right, Well, you were still adjusting from altitude.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You wouldn't know. That doesn't count.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I'll any The in and out service is certainly better.
After my friends and I made an order and drove
up to the window, and they said.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
What is y'all order again?
Speaker 6 (38:06):
They're like a couple of double whatever. We ain't got that?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Are you sure because we ordered? No, we ain't got that?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Right?
Speaker 6 (38:14):
What y'all older again? A hold on?
Speaker 7 (38:16):
Are you sure you didn't go to good Burger?
Speaker 6 (38:18):
And might as you know, Rannie might as well have
been might as well have been.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Fred Fritz perplex you? What is good Burger? I've never
heard of that.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I've never heard of good Burger. I don't know what
that is.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Yeah, I figured that, Fred, listen.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I do want to take a second to talk about
Angel City FC.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know what, Hey, why don't we knock out next
week too?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Okay? Ram fans Matthew Stafford's stay and that means another dosa.
Kelly and Tata gotta their trade offs, Matthew, but you
get the Queen of sleep number commercials Kelly and Tata.
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