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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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let's bring out a good friend of ours, Bob Nightingale,
USA today. Bob, how are you yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Doing great? Thanks?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Very good to have you as always, Bob. Number of
things we want to cover. I want to get started
with this. The MLB labor war. Now we know the
owners made an offer, the players have discussed. They don't
want a salary cap. Where do you think it is
right now?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, I think it will a you know, nothing's going
to happen until after December. First, they'll have a lockout.
We'll see how long it lasts. We'll see, you know
how deep in the spring training or even the regular
season it goes you know, you talk to people, they
think it's probably going to go to at least mid April,
just in the sense that the players miss a paycheck
(01:16):
and then what happens, you know, will they blink? Will
they you know, you know, stay firm in that and
then and then they could you know, in any time.
But I think a lot of people think it's going
to require one missed paycheck just to see if the
players blink and still stays or stay's wrong here, if.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You're more glass half empty about where this thing is
going to go. Have you gotten any sense from any
organizations or from a majority of organizations that they're approaching
twenty twenty six differently because of the gathering storm, that
they're trying to go for it now or trying to
acquire things for the long term that will pay off
beyond twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, I really haven't. I think they're just still you know,
business as usual. You know, we didn't see anything different
in contracts this past winter eater, you know, as far
as lower salaries in twenty twenty seven or or or
you know, different cases higher salaries. Just if you're going
to miss miss some time, so I haven't seen that,
(02:18):
you know, is it possible we see, you know, some
free agent contracts in November maybe or than usual, and
then I could see something like that happening.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah. Don't you think that would be the case, Because
if you get in before the new CBA, you get
what you get, but if you'll wait till after the
new CBA, you may get lamps. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah? Well, last I remember in twenty twenty one with
that ninety nine day lockout, and then as soon as
they said okay, spring training, guys are going to start
reporting him out a week, then you saw just a
florid of activity almost like you know you've seen the
NFL in MBA. It was actually kind of fun. So
uh yeah, it'd be interesting. But yeah, I think we
(03:00):
could see a little bit of earlier free agency, the
normal instead of just the slow trickle what we've seen
in the past years.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
As far as this season goes, maybe it's a little unfair,
but we're close enough to June. I can ask this question.
Compare as best you can, and it's the usual. Customers
pretty much over the from twenty four to right now,
the contenders to win the NLCS the real contenders for it.
Do you like the makeup of any of those other contenders?
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Let's say the Braves who are tracking to win I
think about one hundred and eight games this year. I
don't know they can keep that pace up. But do
you like the twenty twenty six Atlanta Braves more? Do
you find them a scarier proposition to get through than
the Phillies last year or the Milwaukee Brewers last year,
or any of those incarnations in twenty twenty four. I'm
asking this from a Dodgers point of view. Is the
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path tougher or a little breezier than it has been?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I think it's a little bit tougher just because of
the pitching involved in Atlanta. You know, no one's had
more key injuries in Atlanta, and look where they are,
you know, so the best record in a uh in
a great starting rotation, particularly when you you know Chris Sale,
you know, is still pitching strong again. You got Elder,
you got Spencer Streider's back, and they got some.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You know, m v P.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Canates and uh Drake ballwin behind the plate. You know
met Olesent at first base. Uh So I think they're
I think they're a legitimate threat. And then you know,
like you said, Phillies, Uh, you know, with that rotation.
You know, who knows what would have happened if Zach
Wheeler was that rotation when the Dodgers faced him last year,
you know he wasn't. But now he's back, and now
(04:40):
they got Christopher Sanchez is you know, uh, you know
threatening world hirsh AS's record for consecutive shoutout innings. Uh,
you know, he's unbelievable. Uh, and get you know, he's
Who's Lozardo. So they got a great one, two, three punch.
So I think it'd be a little tougher this year
than than past.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, and there's more pair you know, you know what
I mean, Ken, I mean, teams are pretty tightly bunched.
The Cubs went on that huge losing streak, then they
turn it around and what are they four games behind Milwaukee.
Saint Louis is above five hundred. Diamondbacks have been playing. Well,
that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Entire Central is above five hundred. Pirates are in last
place a game over well all.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Right, And by the way, I know you're from Pittsburgh.
I have to tell you I've been there a few times,
love the city, loved the stadium. Look at the West
Arizona has now tied San Diego. I think, look, Ken,
I think most people consider this to be the case.
It it's well, it's the Dodgers to lose. It really
is the Dodgers to lose. And I think the way
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they approach things and they worry about October September, October,
I think that's a way to do it because they're
going to be there at the end and then it's
just who's hot. Ist Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No? Absolutely, I mean other teams could withstand, you know,
losing ah, losing the pitchers they have. I mean, you
spent six nine million dollars on Dias. He's not backed
off after the All Star break. You know, Blake Snell's
only pitched what sixty four to sixty five innings since
they give a big contract, and they haven't blinked because
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of that. It's almost like, Okay, as long as these
guys are are back in September, late August, you know,
that's fine, and they'll have they'll have fresh arms too.
So so yeah, I mean, Dodgers as dangerous as ever,
But I just think the pitching and some of those
other teams, you know, make it more interesting. And even Milwaukee,
I mean ms Rosky wasn't dominate like he is now,
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so you'd have to go against him. Now they have
Kyle Harrison. He's putting up huge numbers too, So there's
a tough, you know, one two punch that that they
didn't have to face last year.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Bob. What we've been talking about here is if the
Dodgers is an organization, should embrace Otani chasing the cy
Young with a three peet potentially on the line as well.
All of a sudden, it occurs to me, with the
ambiguity around Blake Snell and the assumption he's going to
be back, and to your point, he's going to be
nice and fresh, that'll be a great addition, non trade
line for the Dodgers to plug in. There By necessity,
(07:14):
is Otani now in line to win the cy Young?
How about that, Fred Rogan? Because of Snell sitting down,
they have no choice but to try to roll with
Otani as much as possible to ensure that they win
the division, right, Bob, give him the whole.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I still think they'll run away with it. Yeah, I mean,
the visions, you know, is fine, but you know, the
Giants are terrible. The Rockies are terrible. Potteries are playing
on their head for a while. Their head dropped down.
Diamondbacks have got hot, but they played thirteenth trade against
the Rockies and Giants, you know, to build up that record.
So I still think they they coast, But you know,
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to your point, it'll be interesting because Otani's got to
know right now is he does not qualify for the
e R. A tyle has im pitsion off innings, so
he's going to have to be more of a regular pitcher.
I think, you know, for him to win the cy
young and we know it's important to him, and I
think the Dodgers who on that too, Like if he
really wants to keep going on the stretch, you can't
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take it away from him.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Bob Nightingale is with us. Uh, they'll shaken at the times.
What about expansion cities? And I guess Sacramento is going
to throw what's head under the ring. First, it's not
going to get a team, and second I can't afford it.
But what about major League Baseball expanding? Bob, what do
you think?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm not sure it's going to happen. You know,
some owners are seeing wit him it now. You know,
we want to cut up the pie more instead of
by thirty by thirty two teams, and you're talking about,
you know, everything's going to be a national TV centralized
You know, are people going to turn in to watch
young games in Salt Lake City, in Nashville? You know?
Not not major markets. They spent a lot of money
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subsidizing these teams, particularly the two in Florida, in Tampa,
in Miami, you know, so do they really want to
subsidize more teams that are going to be small market
teams and could struggle at the outset? So we'll see
it won't happen. If it happens, it won't be before
two thousand and thirty one, maybe even two thousand and
(09:16):
thirty two. But you know, if the price tag going
up too, who's gonna be able to afford that kind
of kind of money? You know, over three billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You know, when you were talking about the Florida teams, Bob,
and you travel so you know everybody, you see everything.
Why isn't baseball successful in Florida? You would think it
would be. Why isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's unbelievable about it is. It's like when they Orlando's
trying to get a team, and you know, Barry Larkin's
part of that thing, trying to get a expansion team.
And I said, very I said, you've got two teams
that stink in Florida. You know again, I could add
a third one and has it worked. I think Tampa
had a chance once it goes to Tampa side and
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not Saint Pete. Just people complain about traffic and going
outside of the bridge. Miami just has had a bad
product for so long. But what's so weird is I
mean they have the WWBC. There's no better atmosphere than
the games in Miami. And then you know, once a
major league season starts, there's no worst atmosphere than the
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games in Miami.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It really was a sad switch from the week before
the regular season started that stadium down there in Miami.
Indulge my whimsy for a second. Here, here's how you
solve the lockout, slash strike upcoming. If you're not gonna
if you're not going to have a hard floor and
a hard ceiling and all of that. You know, as
(10:39):
I've said before, I'll say it again. Our most popular sport.
NFL is our most communist in the shared revenue and
all of that parody. Baseball is very different. Why not
relegation the World Cups coming, Bob. Wouldn't it be cool
if MLB had had a little relegation. You don't want
to spend in Pittsburgh or other Guess what, you're putting
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your neck on the line and you might get replaced
by Altoona or Sacramento or some Triple A team.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
How great would that be? Love this?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, And they've talked about penalizing teams, and you know
we're warring the small market teams like a uh, you know,
like what Milwaukee is doing here after year, you know Cleveland, Uh, Tampa, Uh,
you'll be warring those those teams and then penealizing teams
like you know Pittsburgh. I mean, uh, you know, you've
got the most beautiful ballpark in America and you know,
(11:31):
great fan base, and for they're not to spend your money.
That's what drives you know, the bean market owners like
the Dodgers, you know, Yankees, Mets crazy. It's like, hey,
we're not giving you all those revenue sharing money just
for you to put it in a in your bank account,
you know, spend it on that payroll.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Let me imagine, imagine it, but refraend it would be
the greatest.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh now we're going to talk about relegation later. That
That is one of the keys. I focus on that
all the time. But let me tell you how to
solve this possible lockout. It's going to be real simple.
The players never are gonna go for a salary cap. Ever. Now,
I was surprised when the owners came back and put
the floor at one hundred and seventy one million bucks.
That surprised me. I think twelve teams don't even pay that.
Right now, twelve or sixteen, here's what you do. We're
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gonna have a salary cap. The floor is gonna be
one hundred and eighty million dollars and the ceiling is
gonna be six hundred million dollars. There I think the
players would sign for that. I think that salary cap
would work, Bob, Seriously, just make the salary cap astronomical,
so teams that want to spend can spend, but everybody
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has to spend at least X number of dollars. I
think that works, right. I mean because I saw in
the proposal, it was like one's seventy in the top
of the cap was two seventy three. That's not gonna happen. No,
they're not gonna go for that. Make the cap some
incredibly insane number. I just call it today. That'll force
the smaller teams to pay more and the larger teams
(12:56):
can do whatever they want. What do you think of
that plan, Bob?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't mean the owners will go for that. Didn't
want to say their number and beat and I've done significantly,
So yeah, don't you know. Remember he's talking about the Dodgers.
I mean, the thing is, if there was never a
salary cap or just you know, really strict restrictions, and
then Dodgers would still be the team to beat. I mean,
they're still smarter than everybody else. Their farm systems burn
everybody else. You only you know they're drafting last or
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next to last every single year. Yet you know that
they come up with these price prospects people don't have. Man,
if they if they still had your nolvarethmen, that terrible
trade and they said to Houston, to be unbelievable, how
good the Dodgers would be. And this guy might be
the best all around. Heterson's Berry Bonds. But they used
to these just do things right. Uh. And it's like,
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you know, these a little scary too. To see what
Milwaukee would do with money, so you know that'd be fascinating.
So you know, I don't think the lockout will be
that long. I really don't. Uh, you know, we'll see
what effects any games. Yeah, it's gona affect spring training
for sure, not for sure, but it looks like it
and uh, and we'll see, we'll see who blinks. Perst
In is saying, maybe I'm not.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
A curious enough soul, Bob, but I've accepted that the
owners are going to take care of their other owners.
But why is it that the big spending franchise is
protect that the ownership groups that refuse to spag. What
what what is the incentive for them to allow those
guys off the hook?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, I don't know. I don't think they protect that.
They may not rip them publicly, but they rip them privately. Uh.
You know, I mean people talk about, you know, Bob
nothing in Pittsburgh and what's going on with Miami with
Bruce Sherman, that sort of thing. So no, owners are
very upset about that, and so they say, you know,
we don't want to. You know, why are we putting
money on this main revenue sharing and paid luxury tax
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if you're not going to spend it. So a lot
of this is like owners versus the owners. You know,
when the intriguing things in the proposal yesterday was at
centralized TV funds, So like everybody's can get the same
amount of money. So you know, the Dodgers again three
and thirty four million, you know, all of a sudden,
you're sharing the same thing with the Brewers. We are
making about twenty five or thirty million, So that'd be fascinating,
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but that comes with a cap too, and that's not
going to happen without a cap.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
All right, Bob, appreciate you coming on. Thanks so much,
good talking to you.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's my pleasure. Thank youre guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
All right, there goes Bob Nightingale USA. Today. Let's get
into relegation. Let's get into this relegation. I mean, you
threw out Altoona and I love the relegation argument. I
use it all the time. I think, for example in
the NBA, well we're going to fix this so teams
don't tank I can fix it right now. If you're
in the bottom three, you go to the G League
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and the three down there come up and replace you.
Like Premier League soccer. I love the relegation idea.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It answers so many questions that plague big time sports.
You couldn't do it with pro football unless you absorb legitimately,
you'd have to take on the seat, and the CFL
would have to modify its rules and everything else. And
maybe you could do some UFL stuff, but there just
aren't enough football players to successfully have a second tier.
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Baseball and basketball no such problem. I think it would
be grand for both of those. Those are the two,
not NHL, not NFL. Yes for MLB, Yes for NBA,
because exactly like you just said, tanking issues probably go
out the window. You're not gonna there's no chance you're
laying down if your neck is on the line, because
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once you get set down. As far as I understand it,
I'm not steeped in Premier League stuff, but I pretty
sure once you get set down, it's real hard to
work your way back up there. Although it would be
electric as somebody who roots for one of those bottom
feeding MLB teams all of a sudden September would be
awfully interesting. If you're next on the line, you might
get well, you might get knocked down. Of course I
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would be watching all those games.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Let's continue that. Let's continue that and has the NFL
or is the NFL destroying Sunday? We'll do that as well.
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Speaker 1 (17:27):
Dave damashek in today for Rodney before the Break, talking
about relegation. So here's the deal. You like it in baseball,
you like it in the NBA. I like it period.
I think you should be penalized for losing. I've always
said that. Everybody yells at me. You know, if you
finished last, you should get the first pick. No, you
should get the last pick. You should be penalized for losing.
If you win, you should be able to continue to win. Well,
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how are we going to fix this if we can't
get the first pick. You figure it out. That's your problem.
You've got to try to win. The problem. Is this
where are you going to relegate the teams to? Where
do they go? So the NBA, where do you go?
What league do you go to? MLB? I guess you
go to Triple A? Well, where do you put the teams?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
If you're well, that's it, as you just said, if
you need a proper and fully formed and ready to
roll G league or whatever you call the minor league
of the NBA, And as you just said, Triple A,
I don't. I'm not, like I say, completely up to
speed on how Premier League works. But welcome to Wrexham. Uh,
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they weren't in the second tier. I don't think they
were even in the third tier. I think they How
many different incarnations are they?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Think five? I think.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
By the way, I'm a little cynical about that story,
Big Spenders dug them. A couple of Americans went over there,
and we're all supposed to go wild for this underdog story.
They they outspent everybody. That's that's the longest short of
the feel good story of cable TV. But either way,
I just think it would make these teams that generally
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speaking in MLB as A for instance, who practically don't
have a shot of winning the World series. It would
make it for the fan bases weirdly a lot more
compelling coming down the stretch. If your team might lose
it and lose its hold on the majors, you would
definitely be watching and sweating that out.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Agree one hundred percent, you should be penalized for losing period.
I have another philosophy that nobody likes and Ardi Moreno
or the Chicago White Sox or the Oakland A's of
years ago. How about this the minute you're mathematically eliminated.
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The minute so, I mean it could be three quarters
of the season, it could be three weeks before the
season is over. It could be just after the midway point.
I mean, if you're that bad in anything, from that
moment on, all tickets are have price.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I didn't know where this was gonna go. I thought
you were just gonna say we distribute their rosters to
all the teams that are still in contention. I'm down
with that noise. That's fine by me. Yes, they need
to be penalized because I oh, well, not everybody can
spend like the Dodgers. We're talking about degrees of grotesque
wealth for these owners. So by definition, there's not somebody
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There's not somebody who merely has a million a billion dollars.
These are multi billionaires that we're talking about. They can
all afford it. It is a choice to make it
a business proposition versus a pursuit of winning championships and
adding more greatness to your personal resume as the owner
of a team. I think, in fact, Jerry Jones catches
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a lot of crap for involving himself in decisions with
the Dallas Cowboys. If I had ten billion dollars and
bought a team, you I bet your ass. I'm weighing
in on personnel decisions. If I buy a PlayStation five,
I don't just set it up and then let everybody
else play it and I just watch from a distance
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while you enjoy the new machine. No, I'm gonna play
it too. Same goes for if I buy a football
team or a baseball team. I'm gonna say, yeah, I
know what you want, GM, but I want that quarterback
and I'm the owner. So that's the way we're going.
And if you don't like it, then then beat it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Okay. Well, there are times probably you should defer to
the people you've employed because they may know a little
more than you do.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I'm open. My years are open, Fred, I'm willing to
hear their arguments for why we should take this guy
and not the guy I want. I'm just saying the
final decision, maybe not even the final decision. I'm gonna
be in the war room and I'm gonna weigh in,
and I bet you my voice has outside import since
I'm the owner of the team.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, I get three votes to your one. It's pretty simple.
Oh so we're gonna do it. I do get that.
I also like when you said, is are you trying
to add to your resume as an owner or is
it a business proposition if you own a team. And
we'll make the argument with Artie Moreno an Orange County Now,
quite frankly Orange County. There is money in Orange County,
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but we can confirm that Los Angeles County proper has
more fortune, five hundred companies, more opportunities for sponsorship, and
more money in big markets you can spend because you
can make more. The Dodger TV deal, the Cups TV deal,
the Yankees, the Mets, those are large amounts of money
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that come into you every single season. The Angels don't
get that kind of money. So then it comes down
to this, if you spend and spend and spend, and
again it's really not how much money you have, it's
how you spend it. That's the other part of it too.
Just as Tampa Bay as Tampa Bay when Andrew Friedman
was there as Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Today to an extent, that's true. People lean on that
a little bit too hard. But yes, I take your point.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Why why do they lean on too hard?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Because the Dodgers have won the last two World Series
that are in the playoffs every year for a reason.
It's not because they're so savvy. It's because they spend
ten times more than half the league.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Because they have the money that other teams don't have
to cover up mistakes. That's why the system produces hidings.
But they've got the cash to fix something where somebody
else when they spend is not as cast flush and
they can't go out and fix it immediately. I think
that's the difference. But you're to win it or you're not.
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I loved in. The Cubs owner at one point was
asked about the Dodgers and the amount of money they spend.
I think it was last season. He goes to hell.
We're just trying to break even. What what do you mean,
You're just trying to break even? Why would you even
say that? They asked somebody that owned the Raads a
couple of years ago, what about the Dodgers. Well, we
could never do that. I mean, that's just crazy. What
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so why are you in it? What are you doing?
If you're not in it to win it and it's
professional sports, then why are you in it? I have
not compute.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I gotta tell you, I maybe it makes me crazy.
I know it definitely puts me in the minority. I
do not hate baseball system. I do not hate that
you have the disparity between the big spenders and the
bottom feeders. Parody. When it is institutionalized parody, then it
really is. As I said, and I hope it doesn't
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offend people, and I say it, but it's communism. Your
number is eventually going to come up. If it's just
a matter of waiting your turn to you get to
hold the title up. That's unsatisfying. The heroes of pro
football are Woody Johnson and Jimmy Haslm, because if not
for their ineptitude, every team would just eventually win, and
that would be the way it goes. That's where there's
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truth to what you just said. It's about how you're
spending the money. Because all the teams are spending essentially
the same amount of money football. It's just a matter
of the quality of the choices you're making with those dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
How can the Jets and Browns be so bad?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's it's the greatest. It really should be something that
we all celebrate that that thank goodness for their ineptitude
so that we have punchlines. And in the same way
baseball is compelling. Or the other side of that of
that spectrum is that, you know, Star Wars would have
stunk without Darth Vader. You need evil empires. That is
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something that has some juice to it. If you're an
objective baseball fan, I think the Dodgers' existence makes baseball
way more interesting because it feels unfair. If you're a
Royals fan, how dare they that the Yankees always spend
twenty times more than we do? You feel like you're
behind the eight ball and the baseball gods are laughing
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at you for it. You know, we like in our
movies underdog stories. There it's harder to actually come by underdogs.
In today's big time sports.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
You have to have villains. It's the best. You have
to We love those who hate our enemies. You have
to have villains.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
The Dodgers happen to be the villains right now. Yes,
that's great, that's wonderful. But I'll tell you this. You
watch them travel, you watch their games on TV. I
would say sixty percent of their road games now look
like home games within the amount of Dodger jerseys in
the crowd. They're the number one road draw in MLB.
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They lead Major League Baseball in attendance. Yeah, they might
be the villains, and it's really good for the sport,
But communism in the NFL and everybody's got a shot.
The NFL is the best operated league period the end.
It makes the most money. They hold everybody over a barrel.
If you don't if you don't pay us, you're not
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going to have us. And if you don't have us
in the media world, you're irrelevant. You'll go out of business.
We got everybody except quite frankly, they don't really have
the streaming services like they think they do. They might
think they have them. I gotta tell you, Apple is
just fine without them. Netflix is doing just fine without them.
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They don't need the NFL. That might change their thinking
some years down the road. And the reason I bring
this up is because now you can get the NFL
whatever you want. The NFL. It's like live on demand.
They don't play Tuesday, but I think they can play
every other day of the week. Think about that. It
used to be exclusively for Sundays. Sundays became the event
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and everybody was focused on its Sunday sort of a holiday.
Everybody that was it. It was Football Day. Now Football
Day is every day? Is that destroying what Sundays are?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Baseball is great because it is a lie for the
majority of its regular season. It and the hook sink
deep because it's every day after today the game has
ended and tomorrow. And the reason that that America embraced
that on the level it did it was on the radio.
You know, what's an interesting thing I'd love to know about.
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How are all games baseball games played in the middle
of the day because they didn't have lights there. How
did they develop fans when you know two thirds of
them at least were played in the middle of the
day when you were at work. Who were the people
going to these games. I think the answer is mostly
not very many people just had their radio on at
work or at home. The gate was not very big
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on a Tuesday at one o'clock in the afternoon. Football
is the complete opposite of that. It is the absence
of it that makes you treasure it. It makes it
into a weekly holiday for you, the Sunday and if
you loop in Saturday, if you're obsessed with like I am,
and like most football fans are, the whole thing, that
your entire autumns are consumed by this. But there's also
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the old the poet whose name I can't think of,
who says who said death is the mother mother of beauty,
you know, the you know everything's going to go away,
makes you treasure it makes it, makes you makes you
love it, makes you love it. And it does feel
like the NFL might I would never go against this
talk about an empire. It does feel like maybe this
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is their icorous moment that they just have to own
everything every window. They It's not enough to have Thanksgiving,
now they have to have the Wednesday night before and
Black Friday and Christmas Day and all the rest of it.
It could lead to a play where it doesn't feel
a special and you don't feel like it is appointment
viewing as Sundays are now. You have to be there
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for the experience, even if your team's not playing. Of course,
you are in front of a TV. If you're a
sports fan in the twenty first century watching NFL football,
I wonder if you lose that. I'm not sure. I
don't have a good answer for how many what percentage
of football are going to tune out?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The problem is in traditional media, nobody's watching. I made
a living on TV for years at Channel four. I
can tell you it's not obsolete. Local TV still has
an important role in the community, but it's not remotely
close to what it was. People are watching streaming on demand.
They want what they want, when they want it. Very
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few people sit down it's eight o'clock, my favorite sitcom's out,
They'll just watch it tomorrow in Peacock or Hulu. The
only thing that drives eyeballs live is sports, and the
real sport that does it consistently is the NFL, and
the NFL is capitalizing on it. The NFL is well
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aware of the fact that a broadcast network would be
in serious trouble if it didn't carry the NFL. And
the networks lose money on the NFL because of the
exorbit of rates they pay, but they also know they
won't be in business without them. And the NFL said, well, great,
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we're here for you. How can we make your life better.
We'll create a game on Wednesday. See that's who we are.
We're the good people. Oh you guys don't want it, Okay,
well we'll put it over here streaming. They'll pay for it.
Now you've just lost an opportunity. Because they're so dependent
and desperate to have the NFL, they'll do anything. And
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the NFL, those guys are shrewd and smart, and they
just dig their heels in and say, okay, we know
you need us. It's like the NFL is doing them
a favor, doing them a favor.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And taking the oxygen potentially from all the other sports.
That to me, is the looming concern to somebody who loves,
you know, most of the major sports and consumes them
on the regular. So what is going to happen is
these regional networks fall away and otherwise every sport going
to be a fringe sport besides pro football.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Against football, Yes, yeah, against football one. It's like the NBA. Well,
Christmas Day is the big day and the official tip
off of the NBA. Really is it really the big day?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Football murders it and kills it.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I do wonder though, with the streaming, because there is
the the common man I feel like is complaining more
and more. I don't know where to find this game,
and once once it gets to a point where they
tune out, which I don't know that a football fan's
ever going to get to that place. But the diabolical
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multi billionaires in this equation are the ones who created
the streamers, bezos and otherwise. They decided to destroy an
entire industry, by the way, the primary industry of the
town that we're sitting in right now, because they could.
They figured that they had a path, They figured out
a path through streaming technical that they could essentially replace
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the operation of Hollywood. And they've largely successfully done that.
They've now taken they've destroyed lives, they've destroyed, you know,
genres of television and movie and then broadcast and otherwise.
I didn't mean to go down this path, but I
do think, really, if you're looking for someone culpable, and
the problem with that is up until the point that
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the common man can't find the game. If it gets
to that point, that will be the first time that
they care in a visceral way. They don't care. It's
an exchange of money. I don't care if it's on
broadcast or where does the game on? What times it on?
I love it. I gotta watch it. That's the extent
of the concern. But people on our side are wringing
our hands and have been for at least a half
decade about the gathering storm.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Right, yeah, but it's not gonna change it. To be
really honest with oh.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't think it's going The question is is there
a point at where it's too much for the NFL fan?
And I just don't see the appetite. Dam it all.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Here's the question, Dave, you have kids?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I do?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Four?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Okay, Well you've got kids.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Mm hmm. Spread it grew lost the sand Fernando Valley.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
What would you do if you went to a restaurant
brought the kids and the people there said, I'm sorry,
we don't allow kids in. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (34:51):
All right, Dave Dama check in today for Rodney. Really
appreciate you doing this, man, really, thanks for hanging today.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
What a pleasure? Are you kidding? Love doing it?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
All right? So you said you have four kids.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I do?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I do ross the sand Fernando Valley, Yeah, I do.
I have a nine year old girly. Yeah if that
counts as a little kid, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That'd be a little kid. Sure. All right, you go
to a restaurant and people bring their kids. Now, if
you have kids, you're more tolerant. Let's start with that.
I mean, even if you go out to a mastros
or something. You know, if somebody brings our kids, you're
more tolerant if you have kids. Now, if your kids
are grown or you've never had them, you're not quite
as tolerant. So we'll acknowledge that some are saying now
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there seems to be a trend. Seventy five percent of
American support adults only dining experiences, no kids in this restaurant.
Where do you weigh in on that?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Listen, I am largely a let people do what they
want to do. It may inconvenience you slightly. What's the
alternative telling people they can't leave their house because they
had children for the next eighteen years, A decent dining
experience is blocked off from their lives. Choose either have
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children or eat well. I mean, it's a ridiculous proposition
to me. And I'm enough of a pain in the
ass that if anybody told me you're not allowed to
eat in this restaurant with your kids, I would go
and get McDonald's and I would sit right at their
doorstep with the kids and eat it and torment the
people going in and out of the restaurant, and let
everybody know going in and out of that restaurant what
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kind of business this was?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So you're not supportive of this idea, No, I that.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Was a ridiculous idea. Now you want, you know, you
want a little curmudgeony stuff. I don't love it when
the kids are in mastros or whatever in their jammis.
I don't like when they're the boss of their parents.
That's where that's that's the cutoff point for me. Are
they a child? Are they behaving as a child you
would think in the uh in their traditional sense would
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behave around their parents and other grown ups. Then I'm
cool with it. It's when the kid is a pain
in the ass and sitting on his cell phone in
his jams and asking for special things off the menu.
That's when I draw the line.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I'll say, you, Fred, well, no, I'm just wondering would
that apply to Applebee's as well? That was your mastros rule?
What about Applebee's.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I'm gonna let my guard down a little bit, my
standard changes a little bit, but I will say no
disrespect to Applebee's. We have an we have near my home,
a Chili's. I don't know the last time you went
to a Chili's, but their ribs are very good. Now,
I know a lot of people will probably look down
their nose at me like snobs. They'll get up by
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molt pious and judge me from them because I'm a
regular person then and they're better than I am.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
But let me hear.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Let me say it again for you, Fred, because I
have no shame in saying it. Chili's has delicious barbecue ribs.
They have a whole song about it and everything.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, listen, I've been to Chilies many times. You could
go on to north Ridge all the time.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You're a man of the people.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Love Chilies love Uh, I can't him? Remember well, I'm
a man of the people and I love this other
place too. But I'll tell you this. Recently I did
some and then I have a comment on all of this,
but I have to tell it. Recently, I went to Applebee's.
I had never been to Applebee's in my life. Hmmm,
and I thought, you know what, I'm going to Applebee's.
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I'm gonna try Applebee's because you see the commercials but
you think it's Applebee's. I'll tell you what. Applebee's wasn't bad.
And I'll tell you this, I don't know what those
commercials say. Applebee's isn't cheap. That's another thing. If you
get Applebee's, they're gonna feed you, but you're gonna pay.
It's not like going there and you know for three
bucks you get everything. No Applebee's costs So anybody that thinks, oh,
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I'm not gonna go to Applebee's because it's Applebee's, No,
Applebee's is.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Me In and out is the only bargain left in
food fred I mean really, it's the only one. And
whatever you can find at the Dollar Tree, those are
the two. Otherwise, no matter what you think, Oh they
have they have a value menu. Yeah, the value menu
cost you thirty seven dollars.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Now, well that's quite the value. That's why it's the
value menu, right, they set the value to it.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
That do they still do at Jack in the Box
that they do still do the two tacos for ninety
nine cents, because that to me was the number one,
that was the all timer.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
No, I'm a Jack in the Box taco guy. Know
it's not too for ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
They did the mini tacos. I thought they got a
little sideways. I thought it was cute that they tried it,
but not as.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Good as they looked like little egg rolls.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah yeah, and they kind of taste that way too.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, it wasn't good anyway. When it comes to kids
on the restaurant, I'm cool with it. I just want
a baby screaming next to me that I will not
put up.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Well, but what are you gonna do If the baby
is screaming? Then what then?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
You take the baby outside, walk the baby, burp the baby,
bring the baby back in. I think that's rude.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Little whiskey on the gums.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Oh yeah, well you start with that.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah yeah, try that. If that doesn't work, then out then.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You do the other stuff. But here's the thing, and
I look at it differently, and we talked about it
the other day. I don't know how you feel about it.
I actually believe you should be able to bring your
dog in.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I do.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
We would take our dog everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
That I find grosser. I think that's way worse than children.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Well, that's why I brought it up. I wanted to
hear your thoughts. Well, it makes no noise, it's a
little dog. It can it's perfect. Everybody loves Zoe, even.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
If I don't want to, even if I don't like
the dog. I'm not gonna belly ache loudly about it.
And I'll complain about a lot of things. But who
do you want? How do you want to be seen
in the world? That's the question you have to Are
you really going to complain about a baby crying at
thirty thousand feet? Is that who you are? Is that
how you want the world to see you? You better
ask the man or a woman in the mirror that
question before you do the people who say, oh, he's
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just that way. Oh yeah, you know Gary at work. Yeah,
he's not a lot of fun to talk to. Yeah
he's yeah, he's a real series. Is that how you
want to be seen in the world or do you
want to see it be seen as somebody who gets
upset by little kids out and about. That's not who
you are. You want to be the grinch.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Come on, you don't have an issue. There's nothing you
can do. If you're on a plane of the baby
starts crying. We've all been through that, but you have
to be understanding, and it's tough on the baby. The
baby doesn't know what's going on in the air pressure
and who knows they get Gassie. I'm not an expert,
but in a restaurant, if the baby starts crying, just
take the baby outside. Take the baby outside, the baby
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will stop crying, and bring the baby back in.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Do you have time, let me just tell you what
I'm talking about here.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Wait, let's do let's do it on the other side,
let's do it another side. Okay, well, we're going to
continue that and get to this to get the very best.
What would you give up
All right, well continue on Fred Rogan, Dave damashek in
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then please at your convenience sample the show. Okay, Dave,
let's bring out a good friend of ours, Bob Nightingale,
USA today. Bob, how are you yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Doing great? Thanks?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Very good to have you as always, Bob. Number of
things we want to cover. I want to get started
with this. The MLB labor war. Now we know the
owners made an offer, the players have discussed. They don't
want a salary cap. Where do you think it is
right now?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, I think it will a you know, nothing's going
to happen until after December. First, they'll have a lockout.
We'll see how long it lasts. We'll see, you know
how deep in the spring training or even the regular
season it goes you know, you talk to people, they
think it's probably going to go to at least mid April,
just in the sense that the players miss a paycheck
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and then what happens, you know, will they blink? Will
they you know, you know, stay firm in that and
then and then they could you know, in any time.
But I think a lot of people think it's going
to require one missed paycheck just to see if the
players blink and still stays or stay's wrong here, if.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You're more glass half empty about where this thing is
going to go. Have you gotten any sense from any
organizations or from a majority of organizations that they're approaching
twenty twenty six differently because of the gathering storm, that
they're trying to go for it now or trying to
acquire things for the long term that will pay off
beyond twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, I really haven't. I think they're just still you know,
business as usual. You know, we didn't see anything different
in contracts this past winter eater, you know, as far
as lower salaries in twenty twenty seven or or or
you know, different cases higher salaries. Just if you're going
to miss miss some time, so I haven't seen that,
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you know, is it possible we see, you know, some
free agent contracts in November maybe or than usual, and
then I could see something like that happening.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah. Don't you think that would be the case, Because
if you get in before the new CBA, you get
what you get, but if you'll wait till after the
new CBA, you may get lamps. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah? Well, last I remember in twenty twenty one with
that ninety nine day lockout, and then as soon as
they said okay, spring training, guys are going to start
reporting him out a week, then you saw just a
florid of activity almost like you know you've seen the
NFL in MBA. It was actually kind of fun. So
uh yeah, it'd be interesting. But yeah, I think we
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could see a little bit of earlier free agency, the
normal instead of just the slow trickle what we've seen
in the past years.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
As far as this season goes, maybe it's a little unfair,
but we're close enough to June. I can ask this question.
Compare as best you can, and it's the usual. Customers
pretty much over the from twenty four to right now,
the contenders to win the NLCS the real contenders for it.
Do you like the makeup of any of those other contenders?
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Let's say the Braves who are tracking to win I
think about one hundred and eight games this year. I
don't know they can keep that pace up. But do
you like the twenty twenty six Atlanta Braves more? Do
you find them a scarier proposition to get through than
the Phillies last year or the Milwaukee Brewers last year,
or any of those incarnations in twenty twenty four. I'm
asking this from a Dodgers point of view. Is the
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path tougher or a little breezier than it has been?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I think it's a little bit tougher just because of
the pitching involved in Atlanta. You know, no one's had
more key injuries in Atlanta, and look where they are,
you know, so the best record in a uh in
a great starting rotation, particularly when you you know Chris Sale,
you know, is still pitching strong again. You got Elder,
you got Spencer Streider's back, and they got some.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You know, m v P.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Canates and uh Drake ballwin behind the plate. You know
met Olesent at first base. Uh So I think they're
I think they're a legitimate threat. And then you know,
like you said, Phillies, Uh, you know, with that rotation.
You know, who knows what would have happened if Zach
Wheeler was that rotation when the Dodgers faced him last year,
you know he wasn't. But now he's back, and now
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they got Christopher Sanchez is you know, uh, you know
threatening world hirsh AS's record for consecutive shoutout innings. Uh,
you know, he's unbelievable. Uh, and get you know, he's
Who's Lozardo. So they got a great one, two, three punch.
So I think it'd be a little tougher this year
than than past.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, and there's more pair you know, you know what
I mean, Ken, I mean, teams are pretty tightly bunched.
The Cubs went on that huge losing streak, then they
turn it around and what are they four games behind Milwaukee.
Saint Louis is above five hundred. Diamondbacks have been playing. Well,
that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Entire Central is above five hundred. Pirates are in last
place a game over well all.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Right, And by the way, I know you're from Pittsburgh.
I have to tell you I've been there a few times,
love the city, loved the stadium. Look at the West
Arizona has now tied San Diego. I think, look, Ken,
I think most people consider this to be the case.
It it's well, it's the Dodgers to lose. It really
is the Dodgers to lose. And I think the way
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they approach things and they worry about October September, October,
I think that's a way to do it because they're
going to be there at the end and then it's
just who's hot. Ist Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No? Absolutely, I mean other teams could withstand, you know,
losing ah, losing the pitchers they have. I mean, you
spent six nine million dollars on Dias. He's not backed
off after the All Star break. You know, Blake Snell's
only pitched what sixty four to sixty five innings since
they give a big contract, and they haven't blinked because
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of that. It's almost like, Okay, as long as these
guys are are back in September, late August, you know,
that's fine, and they'll have they'll have fresh arms too.
So so yeah, I mean, Dodgers as dangerous as ever,
But I just think the pitching and some of those
other teams, you know, make it more interesting. And even Milwaukee,
I mean ms Rosky wasn't dominate like he is now,
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so you'd have to go against him. Now they have
Kyle Harrison. He's putting up huge numbers too, So there's
a tough, you know, one two punch that that they
didn't have to face last year.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Bob. What we've been talking about here is if the
Dodgers is an organization, should embrace Otani chasing the cy
Young with a three peet potentially on the line as well.
All of a sudden, it occurs to me, with the
ambiguity around Blake Snell and the assumption he's going to
be back, and to your point, he's going to be
nice and fresh, that'll be a great addition, non trade
line for the Dodgers to plug in. There By necessity,
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is Otani now in line to win the cy Young?
How about that, Fred Rogan? Because of Snell sitting down,
they have no choice but to try to roll with
Otani as much as possible to ensure that they win
the division, right, Bob, give him the whole.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I still think they'll run away with it. Yeah, I mean,
the visions, you know, is fine, but you know, the
Giants are terrible. The Rockies are terrible. Potteries are playing
on their head for a while. Their head dropped down.
Diamondbacks have got hot, but they played thirteenth trade against
the Rockies and Giants, you know, to build up that record.
So I still think they they coast, But you know,
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to your point, it'll be interesting because Otani's got to
know right now is he does not qualify for the
e R. A tyle has im pitsion off innings, so
he's going to have to be more of a regular pitcher.
I think, you know, for him to win the cy
young and we know it's important to him, and I
think the Dodgers who on that too, Like if he
really wants to keep going on the stretch, you can't
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take it away from him.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Bob Nightingale is with us. Uh, they'll shaken at the times.
What about expansion cities? And I guess Sacramento is going
to throw what's head under the ring. First, it's not
going to get a team, and second I can't afford it.
But what about major League Baseball expanding? Bob, what do
you think?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm not sure it's going to happen. You know,
some owners are seeing wit him it now. You know,
we want to cut up the pie more instead of
by thirty by thirty two teams, and you're talking about,
you know, everything's going to be a national TV centralized
You know, are people going to turn in to watch
young games in Salt Lake City, in Nashville? You know?
Not not major markets. They spent a lot of money
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subsidizing these teams, particularly the two in Florida, in Tampa,
in Miami, you know, so do they really want to
subsidize more teams that are going to be small market
teams and could struggle at the outset? So we'll see
it won't happen. If it happens, it won't be before
two thousand and thirty one, maybe even two thousand and
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thirty two. But you know, if the price tag going
up too, who's gonna be able to afford that kind
of kind of money? You know, over three billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You know, when you were talking about the Florida teams, Bob,
and you travel so you know everybody, you see everything.
Why isn't baseball successful in Florida? You would think it
would be. Why isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's unbelievable about it is. It's like when they Orlando's
trying to get a team, and you know, Barry Larkin's
part of that thing, trying to get a expansion team.
And I said, very I said, you've got two teams
that stink in Florida. You know again, I could add
a third one and has it worked. I think Tampa
had a chance once it goes to Tampa side and
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not Saint Pete. Just people complain about traffic and going
outside of the bridge. Miami just has had a bad
product for so long. But what's so weird is I
mean they have the WWBC. There's no better atmosphere than
the games in Miami. And then you know, once a
major league season starts, there's no worst atmosphere than the
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games in Miami.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It really was a sad switch from the week before
the regular season started that stadium down there in Miami.
Indulge my whimsy for a second. Here, here's how you
solve the lockout, slash strike upcoming. If you're not gonna
if you're not going to have a hard floor and
a hard ceiling and all of that. You know, as
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I've said before, I'll say it again. Our most popular sport.
NFL is our most communist in the shared revenue and
all of that parody. Baseball is very different. Why not
relegation the World Cups coming, Bob. Wouldn't it be cool
if MLB had had a little relegation. You don't want
to spend in Pittsburgh or other Guess what, you're putting
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your neck on the line and you might get replaced
by Altoona or Sacramento or some Triple A team.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
How great would that be? Love this?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, And they've talked about penalizing teams, and you know
we're warring the small market teams like a uh, you know,
like what Milwaukee is doing here after year, you know Cleveland, Uh, Tampa, Uh,
you'll be warring those those teams and then penealizing teams
like you know Pittsburgh. I mean, uh, you know, you've
got the most beautiful ballpark in America and you know,
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great fan base, and for they're not to spend your money.
That's what drives you know, the bean market owners like
the Dodgers, you know, Yankees, Mets crazy. It's like, hey,
we're not giving you all those revenue sharing money just
for you to put it in a in your bank account,
you know, spend it on that payroll.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Let me imagine, imagine it, but refraend it would be
the greatest.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh now we're going to talk about relegation later. That
That is one of the keys. I focus on that
all the time. But let me tell you how to
solve this possible lockout. It's going to be real simple.
The players never are gonna go for a salary cap. Ever. Now,
I was surprised when the owners came back and put
the floor at one hundred and seventy one million bucks.
That surprised me. I think twelve teams don't even pay that.
Right now, twelve or sixteen, here's what you do. We're
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gonna have a salary cap. The floor is gonna be
one hundred and eighty million dollars and the ceiling is
gonna be six hundred million dollars. There I think the
players would sign for that. I think that salary cap
would work, Bob, Seriously, just make the salary cap astronomical,
so teams that want to spend can spend, but everybody
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has to spend at least X number of dollars. I
think that works, right. I mean because I saw in
the proposal, it was like one's seventy in the top
of the cap was two seventy three. That's not gonna happen. No,
they're not gonna go for that. Make the cap some
incredibly insane number. I just call it today. That'll force
the smaller teams to pay more and the larger teams
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can do whatever they want. What do you think of
that plan, Bob?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I don't mean the owners will go for that. Didn't
want to say their number and beat and I've done significantly,
So yeah, don't you know. Remember he's talking about the Dodgers.
I mean, the thing is, if there was never a
salary cap or just you know, really strict restrictions, and
then Dodgers would still be the team to beat. I mean,
they're still smarter than everybody else. Their farm systems burn
everybody else. You only you know they're drafting last or
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next to last every single year. Yet you know that
they come up with these price prospects people don't have. Man,
if they if they still had your nolvarethmen, that terrible
trade and they said to Houston, to be unbelievable, how
good the Dodgers would be. And this guy might be
the best all around. Heterson's Berry Bonds. But they used
to these just do things right. Uh. And it's like,
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you know, these a little scary too. To see what
Milwaukee would do with money, so you know that'd be fascinating.
So you know, I don't think the lockout will be
that long. I really don't. Uh, you know, we'll see
what effects any games. Yeah, it's gona affect spring training
for sure, not for sure, but it looks like it
and uh, and we'll see, we'll see who blinks. Perst
In is saying, maybe I'm not.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
A curious enough soul, Bob, but I've accepted that the
owners are going to take care of their other owners.
But why is it that the big spending franchise is
protect that the ownership groups that refuse to spag. What
what what is the incentive for them to allow those
guys off the hook?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, I don't know. I don't think they protect that.
They may not rip them publicly, but they rip them privately. Uh.
You know, I mean people talk about, you know, Bob
nothing in Pittsburgh and what's going on with Miami with
Bruce Sherman, that sort of thing. So no, owners are
very upset about that, and so they say, you know,
we don't want to. You know, why are we putting
money on this main revenue sharing and paid luxury tax
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if you're not going to spend it. So a lot
of this is like owners versus the owners. You know,
when the intriguing things in the proposal yesterday was at
centralized TV funds, So like everybody's can get the same
amount of money. So you know, the Dodgers again three
and thirty four million, you know, all of a sudden,
you're sharing the same thing with the Brewers. We are
making about twenty five or thirty million, So that'd be fascinating,
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but that comes with a cap too, and that's not
going to happen without a cap.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
All right, Bob, appreciate you coming on. Thanks so much,
good talking to you.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's my pleasure. Thank youre guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
All right, there goes Bob Nightingale USA. Today. Let's get
into relegation. Let's get into this relegation. I mean, you
threw out Altoona and I love the relegation argument. I
use it all the time. I think, for example in
the NBA, well we're going to fix this so teams
don't tank I can fix it right now. If you're
in the bottom three, you go to the G League
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and the three down there come up and replace you.
Like Premier League soccer. I love the relegation idea.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It answers so many questions that plague big time sports.
You couldn't do it with pro football unless you absorb legitimately,
you'd have to take on the seat, and the CFL
would have to modify its rules and everything else. And
maybe you could do some UFL stuff, but there just
aren't enough football players to successfully have a second tier.
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Baseball and basketball no such problem. I think it would
be grand for both of those. Those are the two,
not NHL, not NFL. Yes for MLB, Yes for NBA,
because exactly like you just said, tanking issues probably go
out the window. You're not gonna there's no chance you're
laying down if your neck is on the line, because
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once you get set down. As far as I understand it,
I'm not steeped in Premier League stuff, but I pretty
sure once you get set down, it's real hard to
work your way back up there. Although it would be
electric as somebody who roots for one of those bottom
feeding MLB teams all of a sudden September would be
awfully interesting. If you're next on the line, you might
get well, you might get knocked down. Of course I
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would be watching all those games.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Let's continue that. Let's continue that and has the NFL
or is the NFL destroying Sunday? We'll do that as well.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
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Speaker 1 (17:27):
Dave damashek in today for Rodney before the Break, talking
about relegation. So here's the deal. You like it in baseball,
you like it in the NBA. I like it period.
I think you should be penalized for losing. I've always
said that. Everybody yells at me. You know, if you
finished last, you should get the first pick. No, you
should get the last pick. You should be penalized for losing.
If you win, you should be able to continue to win. Well,
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how are we going to fix this if we can't
get the first pick. You figure it out. That's your problem.
You've got to try to win. The problem. Is this
where are you going to relegate the teams to? Where
do they go? So the NBA, where do you go?
What league do you go to? MLB? I guess you
go to Triple A? Well, where do you put the teams?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
If you're well, that's it, as you just said, if
you need a proper and fully formed and ready to
roll G league or whatever you call the minor league
of the NBA, And as you just said, Triple A,
I don't. I'm not, like I say, completely up to
speed on how Premier League works. But welcome to Wrexham. Uh,
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they weren't in the second tier. I don't think they
were even in the third tier. I think they How
many different incarnations are they?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Think five? I think.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
By the way, I'm a little cynical about that story,
Big Spenders dug them. A couple of Americans went over there,
and we're all supposed to go wild for this underdog story.
They they outspent everybody. That's that's the longest short of
the feel good story of cable TV. But either way,
I just think it would make these teams that generally
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speaking in MLB as A for instance, who practically don't
have a shot of winning the World series. It would
make it for the fan bases weirdly a lot more
compelling coming down the stretch. If your team might lose
it and lose its hold on the majors, you would
definitely be watching and sweating that out.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Agree one hundred percent, you should be penalized for losing period.
I have another philosophy that nobody likes and Ardi Moreno
or the Chicago White Sox or the Oakland A's of
years ago. How about this the minute you're mathematically eliminated.
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The minute so, I mean it could be three quarters
of the season, it could be three weeks before the
season is over. It could be just after the midway point.
I mean, if you're that bad in anything, from that
moment on, all tickets are have price.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I didn't know where this was gonna go. I thought
you were just gonna say we distribute their rosters to
all the teams that are still in contention. I'm down
with that noise. That's fine by me. Yes, they need
to be penalized because I oh, well, not everybody can
spend like the Dodgers. We're talking about degrees of grotesque
wealth for these owners. So by definition, there's not somebody
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There's not somebody who merely has a million a billion dollars.
These are multi billionaires that we're talking about. They can
all afford it. It is a choice to make it
a business proposition versus a pursuit of winning championships and
adding more greatness to your personal resume as the owner
of a team. I think, in fact, Jerry Jones catches
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a lot of crap for involving himself in decisions with
the Dallas Cowboys. If I had ten billion dollars and
bought a team, you I bet your ass. I'm weighing
in on personnel decisions. If I buy a PlayStation five,
I don't just set it up and then let everybody
else play it and I just watch from a distance
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while you enjoy the new machine. No, I'm gonna play
it too. Same goes for if I buy a football
team or a baseball team. I'm gonna say, yeah, I
know what you want, GM, but I want that quarterback
and I'm the owner. So that's the way we're going.
And if you don't like it, then then beat it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Okay. Well, there are times probably you should defer to
the people you've employed because they may know a little
more than you do.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I'm open. My years are open, Fred, I'm willing to
hear their arguments for why we should take this guy
and not the guy I want. I'm just saying the
final decision, maybe not even the final decision. I'm gonna
be in the war room and I'm gonna weigh in,
and I bet you my voice has outside import since
I'm the owner of the team.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, I get three votes to your one. It's pretty simple.
Oh so we're gonna do it. I do get that.
I also like when you said, is are you trying
to add to your resume as an owner or is
it a business proposition if you own a team. And
we'll make the argument with Artie Moreno an Orange County Now,
quite frankly Orange County. There is money in Orange County,
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but we can confirm that Los Angeles County proper has
more fortune, five hundred companies, more opportunities for sponsorship, and
more money in big markets you can spend because you
can make more. The Dodger TV deal, the Cups TV deal,
the Yankees, the Mets, those are large amounts of money
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that come into you every single season. The Angels don't
get that kind of money. So then it comes down
to this, if you spend and spend and spend, and
again it's really not how much money you have, it's
how you spend it. That's the other part of it too.
Just as Tampa Bay as Tampa Bay when Andrew Friedman
was there as Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Today to an extent, that's true. People lean on that
a little bit too hard. But yes, I take your point.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Why why do they lean on too hard?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Because the Dodgers have won the last two World Series
that are in the playoffs every year for a reason.
It's not because they're so savvy. It's because they spend
ten times more than half the league.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Because they have the money that other teams don't have
to cover up mistakes. That's why the system produces hidings.
But they've got the cash to fix something where somebody
else when they spend is not as cast flush and
they can't go out and fix it immediately. I think
that's the difference. But you're to win it or you're not.
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I loved in. The Cubs owner at one point was
asked about the Dodgers and the amount of money they spend.
I think it was last season. He goes to hell.
We're just trying to break even. What what do you mean,
You're just trying to break even? Why would you even
say that? They asked somebody that owned the Raads a
couple of years ago, what about the Dodgers. Well, we
could never do that. I mean, that's just crazy. What
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so why are you in it? What are you doing?
If you're not in it to win it and it's
professional sports, then why are you in it? I have
not compute.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I gotta tell you, I maybe it makes me crazy.
I know it definitely puts me in the minority. I
do not hate baseball system. I do not hate that
you have the disparity between the big spenders and the
bottom feeders. Parody. When it is institutionalized parody, then it
really is. As I said, and I hope it doesn't
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offend people, and I say it, but it's communism. Your
number is eventually going to come up. If it's just
a matter of waiting your turn to you get to
hold the title up. That's unsatisfying. The heroes of pro
football are Woody Johnson and Jimmy Haslm, because if not
for their ineptitude, every team would just eventually win, and
that would be the way it goes. That's where there's
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truth to what you just said. It's about how you're
spending the money. Because all the teams are spending essentially
the same amount of money football. It's just a matter
of the quality of the choices you're making with those dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
How can the Jets and Browns be so bad?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's it's the greatest. It really should be something that
we all celebrate that that thank goodness for their ineptitude
so that we have punchlines. And in the same way
baseball is compelling. Or the other side of that of
that spectrum is that, you know, Star Wars would have
stunk without Darth Vader. You need evil empires. That is
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something that has some juice to it. If you're an
objective baseball fan, I think the Dodgers' existence makes baseball
way more interesting because it feels unfair. If you're a
Royals fan, how dare they that the Yankees always spend
twenty times more than we do? You feel like you're
behind the eight ball and the baseball gods are laughing
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at you for it. You know, we like in our
movies underdog stories. There it's harder to actually come by underdogs.
In today's big time sports.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
You have to have villains. It's the best. You have
to We love those who hate our enemies. You have
to have villains.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
The Dodgers happen to be the villains right now. Yes,
that's great, that's wonderful. But I'll tell you this. You
watch them travel, you watch their games on TV. I
would say sixty percent of their road games now look
like home games within the amount of Dodger jerseys in
the crowd. They're the number one road draw in MLB.
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They lead Major League Baseball in attendance. Yeah, they might
be the villains, and it's really good for the sport,
But communism in the NFL and everybody's got a shot.
The NFL is the best operated league period the end.
It makes the most money. They hold everybody over a barrel.
If you don't if you don't pay us, you're not
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going to have us. And if you don't have us
in the media world, you're irrelevant. You'll go out of business.
We got everybody except quite frankly, they don't really have
the streaming services like they think they do. They might
think they have them. I gotta tell you, Apple is
just fine without them. Netflix is doing just fine without them.
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They don't need the NFL. That might change their thinking
some years down the road. And the reason I bring
this up is because now you can get the NFL
whatever you want. The NFL. It's like live on demand.
They don't play Tuesday, but I think they can play
every other day of the week. Think about that. It
used to be exclusively for Sundays. Sundays became the event
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and everybody was focused on its Sunday sort of a holiday.
Everybody that was it. It was Football Day. Now Football
Day is every day? Is that destroying what Sundays are?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Baseball is great because it is a lie for the
majority of its regular season. It and the hook sink
deep because it's every day after today the game has
ended and tomorrow. And the reason that that America embraced
that on the level it did it was on the radio.
You know, what's an interesting thing I'd love to know about.
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How are all games baseball games played in the middle
of the day because they didn't have lights there. How
did they develop fans when you know two thirds of
them at least were played in the middle of the
day when you were at work. Who were the people
going to these games. I think the answer is mostly
not very many people just had their radio on at
work or at home. The gate was not very big
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on a Tuesday at one o'clock in the afternoon. Football
is the complete opposite of that. It is the absence
of it that makes you treasure it. It makes it
into a weekly holiday for you, the Sunday and if
you loop in Saturday, if you're obsessed with like I am,
and like most football fans are, the whole thing, that
your entire autumns are consumed by this. But there's also
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the old the poet whose name I can't think of,
who says who said death is the mother mother of beauty,
you know, the you know everything's going to go away,
makes you treasure it makes it, makes you makes you
love it, makes you love it. And it does feel
like the NFL might I would never go against this
talk about an empire. It does feel like maybe this
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is their icorous moment that they just have to own
everything every window. They It's not enough to have Thanksgiving,
now they have to have the Wednesday night before and
Black Friday and Christmas Day and all the rest of it.
It could lead to a play where it doesn't feel
a special and you don't feel like it is appointment
viewing as Sundays are now. You have to be there
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for the experience, even if your team's not playing. Of course,
you are in front of a TV. If you're a
sports fan in the twenty first century watching NFL football,
I wonder if you lose that. I'm not sure. I
don't have a good answer for how many what percentage
of football are going to tune out?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The problem is in traditional media, nobody's watching. I made
a living on TV for years at Channel four. I
can tell you it's not obsolete. Local TV still has
an important role in the community, but it's not remotely
close to what it was. People are watching streaming on demand.
They want what they want, when they want it. Very
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few people sit down it's eight o'clock, my favorite sitcom's out,
They'll just watch it tomorrow in Peacock or Hulu. The
only thing that drives eyeballs live is sports, and the
real sport that does it consistently is the NFL, and
the NFL is capitalizing on it. The NFL is well
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aware of the fact that a broadcast network would be
in serious trouble if it didn't carry the NFL. And
the networks lose money on the NFL because of the
exorbit of rates they pay, but they also know they
won't be in business without them. And the NFL said, well, great,
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we're here for you. How can we make your life better.
We'll create a game on Wednesday. See that's who we are.
We're the good people. Oh you guys don't want it, Okay,
well we'll put it over here streaming. They'll pay for it.
Now you've just lost an opportunity. Because they're so dependent
and desperate to have the NFL, they'll do anything. And
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the NFL, those guys are shrewd and smart, and they
just dig their heels in and say, okay, we know
you need us. It's like the NFL is doing them
a favor, doing them a favor.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And taking the oxygen potentially from all the other sports.
That to me, is the looming concern to somebody who loves,
you know, most of the major sports and consumes them
on the regular. So what is going to happen is
these regional networks fall away and otherwise every sport going
to be a fringe sport besides pro football.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Against football, Yes, yeah, against football one. It's like the NBA. Well,
Christmas Day is the big day and the official tip
off of the NBA. Really is it really the big day?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Football murders it and kills it.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I do wonder though, with the streaming, because there is
the the common man I feel like is complaining more
and more. I don't know where to find this game,
and once once it gets to a point where they
tune out, which I don't know that a football fan's
ever going to get to that place. But the diabolical
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multi billionaires in this equation are the ones who created
the streamers, bezos and otherwise. They decided to destroy an
entire industry, by the way, the primary industry of the
town that we're sitting in right now, because they could.
They figured that they had a path, They figured out
a path through streaming technical that they could essentially replace
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the operation of Hollywood. And they've largely successfully done that.
They've now taken they've destroyed lives, they've destroyed, you know,
genres of television and movie and then broadcast and otherwise.
I didn't mean to go down this path, but I
do think, really, if you're looking for someone culpable, and
the problem with that is up until the point that
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the common man can't find the game. If it gets
to that point, that will be the first time that
they care in a visceral way. They don't care. It's
an exchange of money. I don't care if it's on
broadcast or where does the game on? What times it on?
I love it. I gotta watch it. That's the extent
of the concern. But people on our side are wringing
our hands and have been for at least a half
decade about the gathering storm.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Right, yeah, but it's not gonna change it. To be
really honest with oh.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't think it's going The question is is there
a point at where it's too much for the NFL fan?
And I just don't see the appetite. Dam it all.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Here's the question, Dave, you have kids?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I do?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Four?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Okay, Well you've got kids.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Mm hmm. Spread it grew lost the sand Fernando Valley.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
What would you do if you went to a restaurant
brought the kids and the people there said, I'm sorry,
we don't allow kids in. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (34:51):
All right, Dave Dama check in today for Rodney. Really
appreciate you doing this, man, really, thanks for hanging today.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
What a pleasure? Are you kidding? Love doing it?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
All right? So you said you have four kids.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I do?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I do ross the sand Fernando Valley, Yeah, I do.
I have a nine year old girly. Yeah if that
counts as a little kid, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That'd be a little kid. Sure. All right, you go
to a restaurant and people bring their kids. Now, if
you have kids, you're more tolerant. Let's start with that.
I mean, even if you go out to a mastros
or something. You know, if somebody brings our kids, you're
more tolerant if you have kids. Now, if your kids
are grown or you've never had them, you're not quite
as tolerant. So we'll acknowledge that some are saying now
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there seems to be a trend. Seventy five percent of
American support adults only dining experiences, no kids in this restaurant.
Where do you weigh in on that?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Listen, I am largely a let people do what they
want to do. It may inconvenience you slightly. What's the
alternative telling people they can't leave their house because they
had children for the next eighteen years, A decent dining
experience is blocked off from their lives. Choose either have
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children or eat well. I mean, it's a ridiculous proposition
to me. And I'm enough of a pain in the
ass that if anybody told me you're not allowed to
eat in this restaurant with your kids, I would go
and get McDonald's and I would sit right at their
doorstep with the kids and eat it and torment the
people going in and out of the restaurant, and let
everybody know going in and out of that restaurant what
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kind of business this was?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So you're not supportive of this idea, No, I that.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Was a ridiculous idea. Now you want, you know, you
want a little curmudgeony stuff. I don't love it when
the kids are in mastros or whatever in their jammis.
I don't like when they're the boss of their parents.
That's where that's that's the cutoff point for me. Are
they a child? Are they behaving as a child you
would think in the uh in their traditional sense would
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behave around their parents and other grown ups. Then I'm
cool with it. It's when the kid is a pain
in the ass and sitting on his cell phone in
his jams and asking for special things off the menu.
That's when I draw the line.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I'll say, you, Fred, well, no, I'm just wondering would
that apply to Applebee's as well? That was your mastros rule?
What about Applebee's.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I'm gonna let my guard down a little bit, my
standard changes a little bit, but I will say no
disrespect to Applebee's. We have an we have near my home,
a Chili's. I don't know the last time you went
to a Chili's, but their ribs are very good. Now,
I know a lot of people will probably look down
their nose at me like snobs. They'll get up by
(37:32):
molt pious and judge me from them because I'm a
regular person then and they're better than I am.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
But let me hear.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Let me say it again for you, Fred, because I
have no shame in saying it. Chili's has delicious barbecue ribs.
They have a whole song about it and everything.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, listen, I've been to Chilies many times. You could
go on to north Ridge all the time.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You're a man of the people.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Love Chilies love Uh, I can't him? Remember well, I'm
a man of the people and I love this other
place too. But I'll tell you this. Recently I did
some and then I have a comment on all of this,
but I have to tell it. Recently, I went to Applebee's.
I had never been to Applebee's in my life. Hmmm,
and I thought, you know what, I'm going to Applebee's.
(38:13):
I'm gonna try Applebee's because you see the commercials but
you think it's Applebee's. I'll tell you what. Applebee's wasn't bad.
And I'll tell you this, I don't know what those
commercials say. Applebee's isn't cheap. That's another thing. If you
get Applebee's, they're gonna feed you, but you're gonna pay.
It's not like going there and you know for three
bucks you get everything. No Applebee's costs So anybody that thinks, oh,
(38:37):
I'm not gonna go to Applebee's because it's Applebee's, No,
Applebee's is.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Me In and out is the only bargain left in
food fred I mean really, it's the only one. And
whatever you can find at the Dollar Tree, those are
the two. Otherwise, no matter what you think, Oh they
have they have a value menu. Yeah, the value menu
cost you thirty seven dollars.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Now, well that's quite the value. That's why it's the
value menu, right, they set the value to it.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
That do they still do at Jack in the Box
that they do still do the two tacos for ninety
nine cents, because that to me was the number one,
that was the all timer.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
No, I'm a Jack in the Box taco guy. Know
it's not too for ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
They did the mini tacos. I thought they got a
little sideways. I thought it was cute that they tried it,
but not as.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Good as they looked like little egg rolls.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah yeah, and they kind of taste that way too.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, it wasn't good anyway. When it comes to kids
on the restaurant, I'm cool with it. I just want
a baby screaming next to me that I will not
put up.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Well, but what are you gonna do If the baby
is screaming? Then what then?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
You take the baby outside, walk the baby, burp the baby,
bring the baby back in. I think that's rude.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Little whiskey on the gums.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Oh yeah, well you start with that.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah yeah, try that. If that doesn't work, then out then.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You do the other stuff. But here's the thing, and
I look at it differently, and we talked about it
the other day. I don't know how you feel about it.
I actually believe you should be able to bring your
dog in.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I do.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
We would take our dog everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
That I find grosser. I think that's way worse than children.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Well, that's why I brought it up. I wanted to
hear your thoughts. Well, it makes no noise, it's a
little dog. It can it's perfect. Everybody loves Zoe, even.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
If I don't want to, even if I don't like
the dog. I'm not gonna belly ache loudly about it.
And I'll complain about a lot of things. But who
do you want? How do you want to be seen
in the world? That's the question you have to Are
you really going to complain about a baby crying at
thirty thousand feet? Is that who you are? Is that
how you want the world to see you? You better
ask the man or a woman in the mirror that
question before you do the people who say, oh, he's
(40:37):
just that way. Oh yeah, you know Gary at work. Yeah,
he's not a lot of fun to talk to. Yeah
he's yeah, he's a real series. Is that how you
want to be seen in the world or do you
want to see it be seen as somebody who gets
upset by little kids out and about. That's not who
you are. You want to be the grinch.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Come on, you don't have an issue. There's nothing you
can do. If you're on a plane of the baby
starts crying. We've all been through that, but you have
to be understanding, and it's tough on the baby. The
baby doesn't know what's going on in the air pressure
and who knows they get Gassie. I'm not an expert,
but in a restaurant, if the baby starts crying, just
take the baby outside. Take the baby outside, the baby
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will stop crying, and bring the baby back in.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Do you have time, let me just tell you what
I'm talking about here.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Wait, let's do let's do it on the other side,
let's do it another side. Okay, well, we're going to
continue that and get to this to get the very best.
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