June 23, 2025 • 39 mins
Adam Auslund hops on to talk about Game 7 of the NBA Finals, Kevin Durant heading to Houston, Mark Walter buying the Lakers and more. In the wake of the controversy surrounding the head coach of Coastal Carolina getting ejected at the College World Series, we talk about how referees and officials are best being nameless and faceless. The Rams are expanding their brand on a global scale.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Peepe on
AM five to seventy LA Sports Next Hour. Chief operating
officer of the Rams, Kevin Demoff will join the program.
And the Rams spent time in Hawaii and they are
trying to build their brand globally, and Kevin will be
on and we will talk about that. But now it's
been much too long, so we welcome on the host
(00:23):
of the Clipper pregame halftime in postgame show. He's got
a YouTube show about the Clippers as well. It's the
Saultier Adam Auscelin.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Adam. How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Helloja, guys? How are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How are we feeling? Helloh? Helloa? Do you.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Me?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You got off the Rams there? Why not?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So? What have you been doing? Adham?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I mean it's tough, you know well, First of all,
this season is way too long. I mean, how long
ago did the Clipper season end? Like six months ago?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You ranting about this like every two weeks is way
too long.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Fred.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
This is like your number one gripe, your big crusade.
All the NBA Season's way too long. I feel like
you hit on this every couple of weeks, Adam.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Let me ask you something. Now, you watched the game
last night, right, Yeah, I watched the game last night.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Of course you watched the game. Didn't seem a little
anti climactic?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You mean because the best player on the Indiana Pacers
tours Achilles and it kind of took the air out
of the building and it was heartbreaking and gut wrenching,
and it, yeah, kind of put a damper in a
dark cloud on what could have been maybe the greatest
Game seven ever. It felt like it was.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
At first of all, No, it might not have been
the greatest Game seven ever.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It felt like it, Fred, It felt like a game.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was a one point lead or two point lead
going into halftime. Halftime, What do you mean when it
when every one of the games, every one of these
games has been pretty epic, yes, right, and Fred.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Most of the time Game sevens are like knocked down,
drag out fights that end in the seventies. Remember Lakers
versus Celtics and twenty ten. They can be really ugly.
This game didn't feel like that. There was some well
played basketball out there, but unfortunately it was by the
fact that Tyrese Haliburt and towards Achilles.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Who are you saying it wasn't gonna be one of
those exciting finishes for it. Well, I don't know, Adam
goes Ever, I think ever was a bit over.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I said, might have been. Who knows this was. This
was one of the greatest NBA playoffs ever. That's just facts.
All the series from front to back, from the first
round to the NBA Finals, all the game winners, the
series that went seven games, the amount of them like
this was epic, and it felt like the unstoppable force
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versus the immovable object in this NBA Finals, where I
had okay See winning in five or six games and
Indiana said, hell no, we're taking this thing to seven.
And they looked very comfortable early on as Tyrese Haliburton
hit three three pointers within the first six minutes. Yeah, Fred,
take that in your pipe, smoke it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Take that rid. Yeah. Every time everyone counted Indiana out,
they found a way to clout back in and surprise people,
which is why this whole thing went to game seven.
I mean, I think most people didn't thought okay See
was gonna run through them. It's going to be, you know,
one of those gentlemen's sweeps or four to two or whatever.
(03:15):
It may be, but the Pacers forced the game seven,
and it would have been Yeah, it would have been
an epic Game seven had haliburt and I got hurt.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The hell Fred, you asked me if I watched the
game last night? Did you watch the game last night?
Did you watch the series at all? Or because there
was two small markets you said, nah, not good enough
for me, that's beneath.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Me, Nicks, I actually watched, yes, Adam, I watch all right. Well,
I saw the game last night, and I watched a
lot of the playoffs. For whatever reason, I just couldn't
get excited. I'm sorry, I'm being honest. How I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Ye that I don't know, And maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Maybe I'm more of a home guy, and if the
Lakers or Clippers are in it, I'm gonna be into
it like playoffs. Maybe if the Kings are in it,
I'm more into it. That could be the case.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It was a fascinating series to me because the magical
run the Indiana Pacers were on. I didn't see anything
like it before. Guys, you want to talk about the
whole is greater than some of its parts. In a
league that is driven by superstars and people were still
debating as Tyres Halbert and even a superstar is their
best player? Even a superstar, how are they doing this
right now? He has a Robert Hoary career like run
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in one playoffs. When it comes to clutch shots. He
hit clutch shots in each and every series. Huge, big
time three pointers, big time comebacks. The Indiana Pacers, it
looked like they were Cinderella, and I thought they had
a coin flip chance of winning on the road against
OKCE in Game seven. This would have been if they
had won this series, the Indiana Pacers, We'd be talking
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about this forever. This was New York Giants versus the Patriots.
That's what it felt like.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh, New York Giants versus the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Guys, the thunder wered plus seven excuse me, minus seven
hundred favorites. You'd have to bet so seven to one odds,
like you'd have to bet one hundred bucks or seven
hundred bucks just to win one hundred. They were huge
favorites in this series, and Indiana was doing the exact
same thing against them that they had done throughout this
entire playoff run.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It was.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Adam, what do you think about the trade with Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I think the Houston Rockets fleeced him. Freddy, I think
the Phoenix Suns now maybe they just didn't have a
better offer out there, and that could very well be
the case. Once Kevin Durant says, hey either want Houston
or Miami or San Antonio. I won't go to Minnesota,
it kind of limits your options. And they wanted to
get it done before the draft on Wednesday, so it
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put them in a corner a little bit to have
to make a deal. They weren't bargaining from a position
of strength, you could say, and maybe they just had
to take the best offer. But to me, for them
not to get Jabari Smith Junior out of it, Tarry Eason, Reed, Shepherd,
Amn Thompson, she Goon, They they didn't get. They didn't
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get Cam Whitmore. They didn't get their two first round
picks back that Houston, oh, that Houston got from them
a couple of years ago from Phoenix that would be
very valuable to the Suns. They got the tenth pick
in this draft. They got Dylan Brooks. I like that,
but Jalen Green is a complete wild card, and I
think the Houston Rockets wanted to get rid of him because.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, what happened to him, Adam? I mean, because at
what two years ago, he was about to be the
toast of the league and a new kid on the
block and all these things and all all the hype,
and it feels like he fell off a cliff.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He just has I think a really low floor. His
ceiling may be high who he could be at his
very best, but he has games and we saw it
in that first round series when Houston was the two
seed against Golden State and they lost and seven games
where he's out there going two for twenty, like he
had one good game where he scored thirty points and
outside of that he was miserable. He is a streaky shooter,
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He is a chucker. He is an inefficient player. I'm
not saying I'm giving up on him because he's only
twenty three years of age and with athleticism and potential
like that. I get it. The explosiveness is there. He's
a very exciting player. But I think the Houston Rockets
were saying, we got all these other young guys that
have higher floors out there, We'd rather give them a
longer runway to develop, and if Jalen Green is out
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there taking twenty shots per night, that's taking away usage
and reps from these other young guys. I think they
wanted to move him and to get Kevin Durant out
of this. You can say he's thirty seven cool or
he's going to be by the time this season starts. Guys,
he's still one of the top fifteen players in the league.
He was one of the most efficient players in the
league on jump shots. Of anyone who took five hundred
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jump shots last season, he shot five percent better on
those shots than the next best guy, which was SGA
Like he is trom smendously efficient. Still, he's I think
going to age. Well. We thought he'd slow down after
the Achilles he responded better than anyone in NBA history.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
After that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
He has still been elite. And he's exactly what they
needed because their offense was an absolute mess in that
playoff series against the Golden State Warriors. So their defense
is so good it kept him minute and they're still
going to be really good on that end. But they
need someone who's much more reliable on the offensive end
that can just go and get a bucket because Kd's
thirty seven, but you know he's not old enough to
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where he's starting to shrink yet he's still seven feet
toll and can shoot over the top of you. Even
if he can't get by you as much, he can
still get clean looks out there. They did very well
not giving up those draft picks that are that were
formerly owned by the Phoenix Suns back to them and
not giving up one of the young players that they
really cover it. And now they have this opportunity where
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maybe Kad signs a one plus one an extension of
two years after this one, so he's got three more
years left in the league, play till he's forty or whatever,
say he plays three or four more years. Well after that,
they get his money off the books. They still have
their picks, and these young guys who are only like
twenty three now are going to be starting the prime of.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Their career and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So the Houston Rockets are set up for a nice
little window here where they can contend, and they can
contend immediately. I think they're one of the more talented
teams in the league now.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
And as for Phoenix, they just don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Do they you know about that situation, fred I gotta
give you credit. You called out DeAndre eight and the
number one pick in the draft a few years back
before anybody did, and you were right about it. And
while he's not the you know, he's been gone for
a couple of seasons and they still just haven't been
able to figure it out. They have some dysfunction, Adam.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The Bradley Beal dial just killed them. Well, that's that
terrible decision.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
The KD move is understandable. That's kind of like the Clippers,
and maybe we'll get into this a little bit. Making
the move they did, trading all the picks and SGA
to bring in and Paul George. It's understandable why they
did it. Everybody said it was the right move at
the time. Nobody questioned the KD move for the Phoenix Suns.
The one they questioned a first guest was Bradley Beal
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because he's too similar. There's a skill set overlap with
him KD and Devin Booker, and in the bad ways too,
where he's not a great defender. On the other HANDE great, yeah, okay,
I'm being kind a poor defender and a no trade
clause he and Lebron James are the only two guys
with a no trade clause in the league, and now
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they're gonna have to like bully him to make him
wave his no trade clause to go somewhere else, because
if they do hold on a Jalen Green now and
they want to pair him with Booker, that's definitely not
gonna work with Bradley Beal. That will be even worse
than they were this season. If your three best players
all don't play great defense and all are just similar
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guards that are one of them's explosive, the other two
are jumpshooters, and Beale and Booker, you can't win like that.
Their defense was twenty seven this past year, and their offense,
quite frankly, wasn't good enough even though they got plenty
of games from KD and Booker. So they have more
issues than just talent, like they didn't play well together.
And then that story comes out there were fistfights in
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the locker room from DeMarcus Cousins. Kevin Urant went on
Twitter argued about that, said, it wasn't true. Who knows,
but Phoenix is in a real bad place. But they
do have the tenth pick in the draft. That may
be the best thing they got from the Houston Rockets.
We'll see our reserve full judgment on the trade after
seeing who they draft. And by the way, this trade
can't be fully consummated till July sixth, I think, so
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there's a possibility another team gets involved, it turns into
a three way trade. Maybe these aren't all the pieces
and players being moved yet.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, you mentioned that, And ownership is an issue in
Phoenix as we've seen over the last few years, and
some really crazy decisions made by that ownership group. What
did you make of the Walters buying the Bus family
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out of the Lakers in that whole transition after the
Lakers family and the Bus family and Jeanie owning this
team for over forty years now has relinquished that. What
did you think when you first heard that.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I was a little bit surprised like everybody else, But
he already had a percentage of ownership with the group,
and people thought if they ever did sell it would
be to Mark Walter.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Now that was the thing, right that a lot of
people didn't realize that he had bought the Anstooth Group's
percentage of a few years back. And that he already
was involved, and then and then everybody found out that Okay,
he already owned some and now he's got the majority share.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, that story kind of went under the radar. At
least it got buried and we forgot about it. Both
the success he's had with the Dodgers. I know Lakers
fans are ecstatic about this because they have felt like
we're a little mom and pop's type place for a
team that has all this history and tradition, and we're
not competing in the ways we should be able to
as a big market as one of the preeminent franchises
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in all of sports. In the modern NBA now, of
course it's not the same. There isn't the availability to
go out and just bring in Otani and bring in
everybody like the Dodgers have and create a super team
like that because the second apron. A lot of teams
view it as just a hard cap now because it's
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so restrictive in the NBA, like it is so punitive
with some of the things that can take away from
you with first round picks or being moved to the
back of the line, or not being able to aggregate trades.
So you got two guys that make thirty million, you
can't trade them for one guy that makes sixty million.
It makes things very difficult, so teams do try to
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stay below it. And by the way, the two teams
that were just in the NBA Finals were both below
the first apron in Indiana and the OKC Thunder. The
Lakers have been operating under the second as of late,
where I think a lot of teams are trying to
find that sweet spot to contend. But this at least
gives them the ability to be on par with everybody
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else when it comes to the periphery stuff, which does matter.
I'll give you two examples that if they had Mark
Walter during these times, I think it would have gone differently. One,
Alex Caruso doesn't end up leaving the Lakers now two
time NBA champion after winning last night with okay see,
that wouldn't have happened because they made a decision between
paying him or Taylor Horton Tucker, which I know looks
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really bad now. They could have paid both of them.
They didn't want to dip into the luxury tax so much.
That's what this new ownership group can do for them.
And then also they low balled coach Lou Tron Lou,
and they didn't want to pay him as much as
the market said he should have been paid for a
coach that had won a championship, and they want to
choose who would be his assistant coaches. Stuff like that.
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Is the difference who you have in the front office.
There's no salary cap there. You're scouting department facilities. You
can improve in all these little ways on the margins
that do make a difference over time, and I think
that's where the Lakers now have a much better advantage.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I agree with you. Yeah, they're just gonna They're going
to invest in infrastructure. That's really the bottom line, infrastructure.
They'll have more scouts, they'll have more analytics people, They'll
they'll have more front office personnel. We made the point
now the Clippers haven't won, but Steve Bomber has done
it right. I mean, he's put together a top notch organization.
They just haven't been able to win yet. The Lakers
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need to try to construct an organization like Steve Bombers.
Would you agree? I would.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I don't want it to happen because I want the
Clippers to have the advantage but yes they should. They
could mirror the other team in town and the way
they do it. Steve Bambers spared no expense in areas
where he's able to now. The reason they brought on
the second apron is because of Steve Balmer and Joe
Lacob who are paying one hundred million dollars in luxury
tax every year and just didn't care about it because
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they have the b they have. They they're the big spenders.
I think Steve Balmer is the fifth richest person in
the world at this point. He's still the richest sports
owner in North America for sure North American sports. So yeah,
they could pattern themselves a little bit after what the
Clippers have been able to do. They just brought in
Moniu McNair to their front office from the Sacramento Kings.
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That's a whole nother story with what happened there up
in NorCal. But he has always paid coaches. Jeff Van
Gundy was brought in this past year as the defensive coordinator.
He did a great job for them. They've been on
top of the analytics. There was a time the Lakers
were so far behind around twenty ten, and the analytics
department stuff like they relied so much on being able
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to bring in superstars for so long and win that way,
where it felt like the rest of the league was
a farm system for the Lakers and hashtag future Laker.
If you have a player that's really good and young,
he'll eventually end up with the Lakers. That's not the
case anymore. They're not just going to be able to
bring in everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I know that's wild to say after they got Luka Dancic,
but typically that is an outlier. At this point, uh,
the Lakers are looking towards the future where there's more
of a level playing field, there's more parody. Just look
at the NBA finals to small markets. This is the
way the NBA has been going. So all those teams
in small markets who have been doing things on the margins,
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on the edges the right way to try to hang
with the big ball clubs and the big markets. Like,
you have to fight back against that. Now if you're
the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Adam, NBA draft coming up? Your thoughts on that? Where
are the Lakers? Where the Clippers? And you know, is
there is there? I mean, obviously Cooper Flag is going
to be you know the guy, but is this a
strong draft class? And where do the Lakers and Clippers fall.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I will not pretend to be a draft expert because
I get frustrated around this time of the year, and uh,
I think I would say, k Fig is your man
for this. He was one before anybody else pointed out
how good Sga was. I remember here saying that, oh
this was the pick, this was the right pick. And
remember he went twelfth. And by the way, he was
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originally drafted by the Charlotte Hornets, so it was them
who traded him originally, not the Clippers. Blamed them for
making the bad decision they swapped with the Clippers, drafting
Miles Bridges at twelve Sga at eleven. But I'm gonna
say this, when it comes to this draft, it feels
like because of Nil, a lot of these guys that
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were going to be mid to late round picks in
the first round elected to stay in college because they
could actually make more money. So it feels like there's
a steep drop off around pick number ten. Now, the
top of the draft is obviously loaded with Ron Harper's son,
obviously with Cooper Flag, but after that things could get
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a little bit murky because there's all this stuff with
Ace Bailey and his representation and not working out with
the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and who's gonna take him.
He apparently won to be the guy right away and
be able to play and put up as many shots
as he wants to. So I think there's a lot
of uncertainty, and I always go back to this, guys,
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but I have done extensive researchers just what a crapshoot
the NBA draft is over the years. And I remember
pulling the numbers from two thousand and six to twenty sixteen,
So over a ten year period here you're talking six
hundred players drafted. Only five percent of those players became
All Stars, and only over that time of the top
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ten picks, twenty five percent of those players became All Stars.
So remember that when on Draft night, on the Evil
four Letter wherever you're consuming your draft coverage, when they're
acting like, oh, this player is going to be so
great in the league, it is an absolute crap shoot.
You have no idea what you're getting. You could go
back to any draft and see how teams screwed up
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by taking this player before you know, somebody like Tyreese
Halliburton went or somebody like SGA went. I mean Alex
Trusso went undrafted. Uh, TJ mcjr won, lu Dort went undrafted.
TJ went undrafted.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
How many of these guys in this NBA final went late?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, and even Warner was like five six guys that
every year that you know, okay, that that they may
be real, but other than that, it is a crap shoot,
which is why it was ridiculous all the Hooplin fodder
over Bronny going fifty to fifth in the draft for
the Lakers. It's like, oh, it's such a big deal.
They wasted this. No, they didn't waste It's all a
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crap shoot, especially especially when you get to the second
round you don't know who's who.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, you remember we did a show about that and
we looked back over the last ten years of pick
fifty five's in the NBA draft where Bronny went. There's
one guy remaining in the league. That guy, that guy
Aaron Wiggins of the Oklahoma City Thunder. But it does
tell you one guy one left. We're talking Indiana took
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somebody at pick fifty five I think two years ago.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
He's already out of the league.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like it's just an imperfect science. It is so difficult.
All the scouts, all the front office guys that do
this for a living can't figure it out. If you're
batting three hundred in the draft, it's just like in baseball,
you're doing alright, Like you're failing seventy percent of the time,
and that's looked at is strong. So yeah, I don't
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get too far into it. The Clippers have pick number
thirty and then pick fifty one. The Lakers, I believe,
just have a second round pick unless they trade into
the first round too. So whoever they end up picking,
I'll do a deep dive afterwards. But I'm just not
interested in going through the fine tooth comb everybody. That
could be a possibility in this draft for teams I'm
interested in because most of the time in the mounts
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to nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
All right, Adam, will you amount to something? Every time?
I love it. We appreciate it. Bring the energy, bring
the flavor, Adam, I love it.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I really thought I set you up there, Fred, speaking
of things that amount to nothing. Thanks for joining us here.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
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Speaker 1 (22:08):
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We'll talk about that.
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Speaker 2 (22:32):
Oh yeah, come on, it's Monday winding down June Rodney, Pete,
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salty A. A always brings the knowledge. Man. Not only
does he bring the knowledge, he brings the passion. Yeah
he does. He doesn't shy away from being a Clippers
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guy either. No, you know, all right, let's talk about
this college World Series LSU Coastal Carolina. So they're playing
the second of three. By the way, LSU wins. Anyway,
you are, how many pitches into the game was it.
I'm trying to remember maybe ten, three, maybe three or five?
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I don't know. Oh no, no, it was ten. There
was ten.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So the manager of Coastal Carolina, his name or head
coach in this scenario would be Kevin Schnall. So anyway,
Kevin Snall in the first inning ten pitches in. I
think he started complaining at three, but by the time
I got to ten, he had enough and he was
complaining about balls and strikes, and apparently the played umpire
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was struggling, which is shocking because if you look at
major league games, it happens all the time. And the
played umpire, Angel Compos used to be a major league umpire.
So he's got the play College World Series, Yes, comes out.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Set that up again, Fred, the home plate umpire used
to be a major league umpire. Right, you would think
that he has an understanding and how things can get heated,
how to handle, you know, an emotional coach. But go ahead,
I'm sorry, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So anyway, Angel Compos has been there and in the majors.
He was done in twenty fourteen. Some thought he had
a history of vote reacting when he was a big
league Ever, yeah, there's a reason why he's not in
the MLBA anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Right, there's a relation. There's a reason. Shall starts letting
him have it? Comes out of the dugout ten pitches
into the game, Angel compost runs him, runs him ten
pitches into the game. College World Series championship game, Yes,
game two of a best of three series. He runs
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Coastal Carolina's head coach ten pitches into the game. Now,
I actually was watching that game live, to be honest
with you, and I I saw this happening, and apparently
there was some there was some discrepancy the night before
the day before that, they got into it a little bit.
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And from what I understand that initially on the day
in question, which was yesterday or two days ago, he
got into it with the first base coach, got into
it with the first base coach where it started with
the balls and strikes, and then the head coach jumped
into it. I'm sorry, go ahead for it. No, no,
that's exactly right. So when he runs the head coach,
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the manager ten pitches into the game. Ten a good lord.
Ten pitches into the World Series game. He runs him,
and you're like, oh god.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And then to make matters worse, all of the umpires
come running in, right, they're all gonna around and defend
Angel compos.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
One guy comes flying in, trips and falls over. Yeah,
and it looks it looks like the manager from Coastal
pushed him or whatever and didn't touch him. Didn't touch him. Now,
didn't touch him.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So this guy comes flying in. He is accusing the
manager of knocking him down, which wasn't true, and compos
runs him ten pitches into the game. I gotta tell you, you
gotta be better than that. This is the College World Series.
Get it together eight. He shouldn't work any more games.
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He should be done.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You can't do that. Shitn't You cannot run the guy
ten pitches into the game because he's on you. Maybe
he's on you for good reason. How about time out, Kevin?
Come out here like one day. It's very similar, to
be honest with you, it's very similar. That's why it's
so current. Very similar to Dave Roberts. When Dave Roberts
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got the other day against the Padres when they gave
a warning to both teams, and Dave was asking, why
did you give a warning to both teams? You know
they threw at our guy. Why are you warning us?
And that's really what Dave was asking. And your boy,
Fred Trip Gibson decided that you can't come out here.
(27:22):
Don't come out here. Don't you come out here. I'm
gonna run here. You come out and he ran him,
and all Dave was, I just wanted an explanation as
to why you are warning us when their guy hit us,
their guy hit us, and you're warning both teams. And
it was very similar to that where he was just questioning.
(27:43):
He said, I guess he wanted to know a specific
situation and it was trying to get an answer to it.
And a guy took offense thinking he was questioning the
balls and strikes. Now he probably was, but he was
doing it in a different way. But it wasn't even
him that initially. It was the first base coach that
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started chirping to talk about you know, you know, get it,
you know the strike zone is whatever it may be.
And I guess there was a warning given and then
he went right back at the manager, the head coach,
and ran him. I agree with you. You cannot do that,
you got it unless somebody comes and really puts their
(28:24):
finger in your face and shoves you or whatever. You
gotta have some more decorum, You gotta have a little
bit more. You gotta have tougher skin as an umpire
to not run a head coach of a college team
in the World Series ten pitches in, I mean absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Compost should have called time. He should have called time. Now,
if you wanted to handle this and diffuse it time.
Just walk over to the dugout signal the coach to
come out. Let's just air it out right now. Don't
embarrass me. I'm gonna talk to you right now. Don't
embarrass me. Don't start screaming at me. But let's just
discuss what's going on. Let's come to an agreement. Go
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back now, consider yourself officially warned. I gave you the chance,
I gave you the time. Let's work this out. That's
how you diffuse this thing. You don't just throw the
guy out of the game ten pitches in. And that
speaks to this. You see, sometimes the officials become too
big for the game. The one thing you never want
to do is an official ever never is anybody know
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your name?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Rever.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
If no one knows your name, you've done a good job.
If no one can pick out anything you've done, really,
you've done a good job.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, how many I'm an NBA official? Do you know?
You know a couple? Right? Scott and the number one
you know? Right? Yeah, Scott Foster. Now he didn't work
the finals, right, he didn't. Everybody thought he because he
normally does.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, and I think his notoriety has become a deterrent. Now, Yeah,
anytime you're saying, is Scott Foster gonna work the game?
That's really bad for an official? Is it Scott Foster?
Is he working tonight?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
That's bad. You don't want people to identify you. And
it's not bad for Scott Foster the human being, but
it's bad for the game. It's bad.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And now because he is known as he is, you
might see him get fewer assignments. He's distracting from the game,
right right, anything he does in that game, somebody's going
to react to it now watching Oh my god, he's
anything controversial, anything close, anything, whatever it's gonna be, it's
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gonna focus.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Its gonna be on Scott Foster.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
And that's not what they want. And I think that
all of the notoriety and the discussion of the conversation
about him, I think it's now hurt him. And that's
not to say he's not a good official. I'm sure
he's still one of the best, but you don't want
to send him into that. It's bad for your business,
it's bad for the game, and maybe, through no fault
of his own, he may not get any more games
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like that. Yeah, because he's too well known angel compost
in the college game. Come on, man, come on, now
everyone knows you, Everyone now knows who you are. You
can't work anymore college World Series games ever. Ever, you shouldn't.
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You probably shouldn't even work anymore in college sports. That
was a horrible judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And how many coaches do you think, I mean, around
college baseball are sending in their responses letters whatever they
may think, watching that going. That guy cannot work another
college playoff game ever, Like you said, how about this,
how about this?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I don't want that guy work in our games period. Yeah,
college playoff game, we don't want him. No, we don't
want him to work. We say no.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And you know the leagues do when the coaches and
ads do have a voice in this stuff, Yeah they do, Yeah,
they do. And I got to imagine other ads and
other coaches around the league around college baseball. We're going
and ten pitches in, you're gonna run him. We're talking
about you know, eighteen nineteen year old kids and the
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world and the World Series championship game, and you gotta
run the head coach ten pitches in. Come on, you
can't do that. You cannot do that. No, I'd be
shocked if he works another at least another significant college
baseball game. No, he can't. He can't.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
When the officials become the story, then a change has
to be made. When you become the story, you have
done something wrong. Angel Hernandez became the story and suddenly
mysteriously retired, right, Oh, I just decided yesterday, I'm retiring tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, and you know what that was, right, Yeah, that
was you can go on your own. Oh, we're going
to force you out. Yeah, let's have a conversation. We've
come to a decision. You're not going to sue us.
We're not going to listen. It doesn't matter. We've got
all the evidence. You know what people do, and I
think they do it in business as well, Major League
(33:53):
Baseball's business. When they want to get rid of somebody,
they start building a case. Oh yeah, and they build
it over time. And even if somebody does what appears
to be something egregious and should be gone immediately, they
aren't gone immediately. They're warned, then they're watched. Then you
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start building that case. And I'm sure in the situation
involving Angel Hernandez, what happened was they'd had the conversations,
but everybody. I mean, we used to play the Angel
Hernandez drinking game here on this show.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Get ready, he's working tonight. How many he's gonna miss
and how many innings will it take it?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And get drunk?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I mean we did that. If people know that, they
probably just sit there. That's to watch everything. You're kind
of on the hot seat. Now there's nowhere to hide.
They watch everything. Anything close that you might have got
wrong is now wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They build that case and probably got to a point,
unless God forbid, there was something physically wrong with him
and no one has said anything like that. They probably
got to the point where you know, bam, we've got
enough now right now, we've got another And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's what they do. I'm sure that's what got them.
Just yeah, because I think much like much like Major
League Baseball and the players and the players union, which
is very strong, umpires have a pretty good association as well. Yeah,
they really do. So it takes a lot for them
(35:25):
to get I guess what get exiled from managing again.
Like you said, it was a quick retirement on my own,
but it really wasn't. It was like Okay, writing's on
the wall. Angel, We'll see you the right.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
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not just what they're doing on the field, but what
they're doing around the world to build the RAMS brand.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
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Speaker 2 (36:23):
Come on, let's go on a Monday. We're back. Hope
you had a great weekend. Rodney, Pete, Fred Rogan. Let's
go all right, let's set this up real quick. Let
me sure, set this up. This is your baby right here,
set it up. We're gonna do something else. Oh okay,
(36:43):
that'll go move that till later. Okay, good, all right, good.
I don't know if I was ready for it anyway. No, No,
we'll do it later. We have to do it today. Okay. Uh,
just stay with us for the next hour. We have
a special treat for you like that.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Anyway, we gotta do this fast because we got to
break and good. Kevin dem Off of the RAMS on
He's going to come on here pretty quickly after the
top of the hour. Rams are trying to build a
global brand and they're doing a very good job of it.
They were in Hawaii. Obviously that's not global, that's the
United States, but I think there are territories include Australia.
They're going to play a game there I think next year,
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Mexico and other places as well.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
And their goal is to build a global brand in
markets in which they can control marketing and things like that.
I think it's absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and it tells
you that Rodney, there's much more to this than just
put the guys out on the field let them go.
I mean, they're trying to build something much much larger. Yeah,
(37:47):
as we've seen over the years, American sports that are
really true American sports. Right, Baseball is a true American
sport that is now trans ended the globe and played
in other places around the world, especially in Asia. As
we've just witness the Dodgers really take advantage of the
(38:10):
Asian market, whether it be Japan, Korea, you know, all
over Asia. Basketball has been probably the most global sport
that has easily transcended the world, more so than than
the other American sports because it's i guess, easier to play.
(38:30):
And you see it in not only the Europe, but
you've seen it in Asia and Australia and South America.
Now Africa has got a league, South America's got you know,
players coming from South America. So NBA has got to
jump on everybody when it comes to global the global
impact in the sports. But now you're seeing football. Now,
you're seeing football kind of grow over the years. Even
(38:52):
when I was playing, this is you know, I've been
retired for twenty years now, but we started. I was
on several teams that went over outside of the US
to play. First off with Detroit, we played in London,
and then I played with the Cowboys who played in Mexico.
So you're seeing the NFL really try to, you know,
(39:13):
expand its wings much like Major League Baseball, and the
NBA has done.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
All right, let's break come back. Kevin demof of the
Rams will join the show
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Peepe on
AM five to seventy LA Sports Next Hour. Chief operating
officer of the Rams, Kevin Demoff will join the program.
And the Rams spent time in Hawaii and they are
trying to build their brand globally, and Kevin will be
on and we will talk about that. But now it's
been much too long, so we welcome on the host
(00:23):
of the Clipper pregame halftime in postgame show. He's got
a YouTube show about the Clippers as well. It's the
Saultier Adam Auscelin.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Adam. How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Helloja, guys? How are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How are we feeling? Helloh? Helloa? Do you.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Me?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You got off the Rams there? Why not?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So? What have you been doing? Adham?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I mean it's tough, you know well, First of all,
this season is way too long. I mean, how long
ago did the Clipper season end? Like six months ago?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You ranting about this like every two weeks is way
too long.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Fred.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
This is like your number one gripe, your big crusade.
All the NBA Season's way too long. I feel like
you hit on this every couple of weeks, Adam.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Let me ask you something. Now, you watched the game
last night, right, Yeah, I watched the game last night.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Of course you watched the game. Didn't seem a little
anti climactic?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You mean because the best player on the Indiana Pacers
tours Achilles and it kind of took the air out
of the building and it was heartbreaking and gut wrenching,
and it, yeah, kind of put a damper in a
dark cloud on what could have been maybe the greatest
Game seven ever. It felt like it was.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
At first of all, No, it might not have been
the greatest Game seven ever.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It felt like it, Fred, It felt like a game.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was a one point lead or two point lead
going into halftime. Halftime, What do you mean when it
when every one of the games, every one of these
games has been pretty epic, yes, right, and Fred.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Most of the time Game sevens are like knocked down,
drag out fights that end in the seventies. Remember Lakers
versus Celtics and twenty ten. They can be really ugly.
This game didn't feel like that. There was some well
played basketball out there, but unfortunately it was by the
fact that Tyrese Haliburt and towards Achilles.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Who are you saying it wasn't gonna be one of
those exciting finishes for it. Well, I don't know, Adam
goes Ever, I think ever was a bit over.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I said, might have been. Who knows this was. This
was one of the greatest NBA playoffs ever. That's just facts.
All the series from front to back, from the first
round to the NBA Finals, all the game winners, the
series that went seven games, the amount of them like
this was epic, and it felt like the unstoppable force
(02:32):
versus the immovable object in this NBA Finals, where I
had okay See winning in five or six games and
Indiana said, hell no, we're taking this thing to seven.
And they looked very comfortable early on as Tyrese Haliburton
hit three three pointers within the first six minutes. Yeah, Fred,
take that in your pipe, smoke it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Take that rid. Yeah. Every time everyone counted Indiana out,
they found a way to clout back in and surprise people,
which is why this whole thing went to game seven.
I mean, I think most people didn't thought okay See
was gonna run through them. It's going to be, you know,
one of those gentlemen's sweeps or four to two or whatever.
(03:15):
It may be, but the Pacers forced the game seven,
and it would have been Yeah, it would have been
an epic Game seven had haliburt and I got hurt.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The hell Fred, you asked me if I watched the
game last night? Did you watch the game last night?
Did you watch the series at all? Or because there
was two small markets you said, nah, not good enough
for me, that's beneath.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Me, Nicks, I actually watched, yes, Adam, I watch all right. Well,
I saw the game last night, and I watched a
lot of the playoffs. For whatever reason, I just couldn't
get excited. I'm sorry, I'm being honest. How I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Ye that I don't know, And maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Maybe I'm more of a home guy, and if the
Lakers or Clippers are in it, I'm gonna be into
it like playoffs. Maybe if the Kings are in it,
I'm more into it. That could be the case.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It was a fascinating series to me because the magical
run the Indiana Pacers were on. I didn't see anything
like it before. Guys, you want to talk about the
whole is greater than some of its parts. In a
league that is driven by superstars and people were still
debating as Tyres Halbert and even a superstar is their
best player? Even a superstar, how are they doing this
right now? He has a Robert Hoary career like run
(04:25):
in one playoffs. When it comes to clutch shots. He
hit clutch shots in each and every series. Huge, big
time three pointers, big time comebacks. The Indiana Pacers, it
looked like they were Cinderella, and I thought they had
a coin flip chance of winning on the road against
OKCE in Game seven. This would have been if they
had won this series, the Indiana Pacers, We'd be talking
(04:48):
about this forever. This was New York Giants versus the Patriots.
That's what it felt like.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh, New York Giants versus the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Guys, the thunder wered plus seven excuse me, minus seven
hundred favorites. You'd have to bet so seven to one odds,
like you'd have to bet one hundred bucks or seven
hundred bucks just to win one hundred. They were huge
favorites in this series, and Indiana was doing the exact
same thing against them that they had done throughout this
entire playoff run.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It was.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Adam, what do you think about the trade with Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I think the Houston Rockets fleeced him. Freddy, I think
the Phoenix Suns now maybe they just didn't have a
better offer out there, and that could very well be
the case. Once Kevin Durant says, hey either want Houston
or Miami or San Antonio. I won't go to Minnesota,
it kind of limits your options. And they wanted to
get it done before the draft on Wednesday, so it
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put them in a corner a little bit to have
to make a deal. They weren't bargaining from a position
of strength, you could say, and maybe they just had
to take the best offer. But to me, for them
not to get Jabari Smith Junior out of it, Tarry Eason, Reed, Shepherd,
Amn Thompson, she Goon, They they didn't get. They didn't
(06:10):
get Cam Whitmore. They didn't get their two first round
picks back that Houston, oh, that Houston got from them
a couple of years ago from Phoenix that would be
very valuable to the Suns. They got the tenth pick
in this draft. They got Dylan Brooks. I like that,
but Jalen Green is a complete wild card, and I
think the Houston Rockets wanted to get rid of him because.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, what happened to him, Adam? I mean, because at
what two years ago, he was about to be the
toast of the league and a new kid on the
block and all these things and all all the hype,
and it feels like he fell off a cliff.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He just has I think a really low floor. His
ceiling may be high who he could be at his
very best, but he has games and we saw it
in that first round series when Houston was the two
seed against Golden State and they lost and seven games
where he's out there going two for twenty, like he
had one good game where he scored thirty points and
outside of that he was miserable. He is a streaky shooter,
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He is a chucker. He is an inefficient player. I'm
not saying I'm giving up on him because he's only
twenty three years of age and with athleticism and potential
like that. I get it. The explosiveness is there. He's
a very exciting player. But I think the Houston Rockets
were saying, we got all these other young guys that
have higher floors out there, We'd rather give them a
longer runway to develop, and if Jalen Green is out
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there taking twenty shots per night, that's taking away usage
and reps from these other young guys. I think they
wanted to move him and to get Kevin Durant out
of this. You can say he's thirty seven cool or
he's going to be by the time this season starts. Guys,
he's still one of the top fifteen players in the league.
He was one of the most efficient players in the
league on jump shots. Of anyone who took five hundred
(07:52):
jump shots last season, he shot five percent better on
those shots than the next best guy, which was SGA
Like he is trom smendously efficient. Still, he's I think
going to age. Well. We thought he'd slow down after
the Achilles he responded better than anyone in NBA history.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
After that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
He has still been elite. And he's exactly what they
needed because their offense was an absolute mess in that
playoff series against the Golden State Warriors. So their defense
is so good it kept him minute and they're still
going to be really good on that end. But they
need someone who's much more reliable on the offensive end
that can just go and get a bucket because Kd's
thirty seven, but you know he's not old enough to
(08:31):
where he's starting to shrink yet he's still seven feet
toll and can shoot over the top of you. Even
if he can't get by you as much, he can
still get clean looks out there. They did very well
not giving up those draft picks that are that were
formerly owned by the Phoenix Suns back to them and
not giving up one of the young players that they
really cover it. And now they have this opportunity where
(08:53):
maybe Kad signs a one plus one an extension of
two years after this one, so he's got three more
years left in the league, play till he's forty or whatever,
say he plays three or four more years. Well after that,
they get his money off the books. They still have
their picks, and these young guys who are only like
twenty three now are going to be starting the prime of.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Their career and ready to go.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So the Houston Rockets are set up for a nice
little window here where they can contend, and they can
contend immediately. I think they're one of the more talented
teams in the league now.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
And as for Phoenix, they just don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Do they you know about that situation, fred I gotta
give you credit. You called out DeAndre eight and the
number one pick in the draft a few years back
before anybody did, and you were right about it. And
while he's not the you know, he's been gone for
a couple of seasons and they still just haven't been
able to figure it out. They have some dysfunction, Adam.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The Bradley Beal dial just killed them. Well, that's that
terrible decision.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
The KD move is understandable. That's kind of like the Clippers,
and maybe we'll get into this a little bit. Making
the move they did, trading all the picks and SGA
to bring in and Paul George. It's understandable why they
did it. Everybody said it was the right move at
the time. Nobody questioned the KD move for the Phoenix Suns.
The one they questioned a first guest was Bradley Beal
(10:10):
because he's too similar. There's a skill set overlap with
him KD and Devin Booker, and in the bad ways too,
where he's not a great defender. On the other HANDE great, yeah, okay,
I'm being kind a poor defender and a no trade
clause he and Lebron James are the only two guys
with a no trade clause in the league, and now
(10:31):
they're gonna have to like bully him to make him
wave his no trade clause to go somewhere else, because
if they do hold on a Jalen Green now and
they want to pair him with Booker, that's definitely not
gonna work with Bradley Beal. That will be even worse
than they were this season. If your three best players
all don't play great defense and all are just similar
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guards that are one of them's explosive, the other two
are jumpshooters, and Beale and Booker, you can't win like that.
Their defense was twenty seven this past year, and their offense,
quite frankly, wasn't good enough even though they got plenty
of games from KD and Booker. So they have more
issues than just talent, like they didn't play well together.
And then that story comes out there were fistfights in
(11:13):
the locker room from DeMarcus Cousins. Kevin Urant went on
Twitter argued about that, said, it wasn't true. Who knows,
but Phoenix is in a real bad place. But they
do have the tenth pick in the draft. That may
be the best thing they got from the Houston Rockets.
We'll see our reserve full judgment on the trade after
seeing who they draft. And by the way, this trade
can't be fully consummated till July sixth, I think, so
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there's a possibility another team gets involved, it turns into
a three way trade. Maybe these aren't all the pieces
and players being moved yet.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, you mentioned that, And ownership is an issue in
Phoenix as we've seen over the last few years, and
some really crazy decisions made by that ownership group. What
did you make of the Walters buying the Bus family
(12:06):
out of the Lakers in that whole transition after the
Lakers family and the Bus family and Jeanie owning this
team for over forty years now has relinquished that. What
did you think when you first heard that.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I was a little bit surprised like everybody else, But
he already had a percentage of ownership with the group,
and people thought if they ever did sell it would
be to Mark Walter.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Now that was the thing, right that a lot of
people didn't realize that he had bought the Anstooth Group's
percentage of a few years back. And that he already
was involved, and then and then everybody found out that Okay,
he already owned some and now he's got the majority share.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, that story kind of went under the radar. At
least it got buried and we forgot about it. Both
the success he's had with the Dodgers. I know Lakers
fans are ecstatic about this because they have felt like
we're a little mom and pop's type place for a
team that has all this history and tradition, and we're
not competing in the ways we should be able to
as a big market as one of the preeminent franchises
(13:07):
in all of sports. In the modern NBA now, of
course it's not the same. There isn't the availability to
go out and just bring in Otani and bring in
everybody like the Dodgers have and create a super team
like that because the second apron. A lot of teams
view it as just a hard cap now because it's
(13:27):
so restrictive in the NBA, like it is so punitive
with some of the things that can take away from
you with first round picks or being moved to the
back of the line, or not being able to aggregate trades.
So you got two guys that make thirty million, you
can't trade them for one guy that makes sixty million.
It makes things very difficult, so teams do try to
(13:47):
stay below it. And by the way, the two teams
that were just in the NBA Finals were both below
the first apron in Indiana and the OKC Thunder. The
Lakers have been operating under the second as of late,
where I think a lot of teams are trying to
find that sweet spot to contend. But this at least
gives them the ability to be on par with everybody
(14:07):
else when it comes to the periphery stuff, which does matter.
I'll give you two examples that if they had Mark
Walter during these times, I think it would have gone differently. One,
Alex Caruso doesn't end up leaving the Lakers now two
time NBA champion after winning last night with okay see,
that wouldn't have happened because they made a decision between
paying him or Taylor Horton Tucker, which I know looks
(14:30):
really bad now. They could have paid both of them.
They didn't want to dip into the luxury tax so much.
That's what this new ownership group can do for them.
And then also they low balled coach Lou Tron Lou,
and they didn't want to pay him as much as
the market said he should have been paid for a
coach that had won a championship, and they want to
choose who would be his assistant coaches. Stuff like that.
(14:54):
Is the difference who you have in the front office.
There's no salary cap there. You're scouting department facilities. You
can improve in all these little ways on the margins
that do make a difference over time, and I think
that's where the Lakers now have a much better advantage.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I agree with you. Yeah, they're just gonna They're going
to invest in infrastructure. That's really the bottom line, infrastructure.
They'll have more scouts, they'll have more analytics people, They'll
they'll have more front office personnel. We made the point
now the Clippers haven't won, but Steve Bomber has done
it right. I mean, he's put together a top notch organization.
They just haven't been able to win yet. The Lakers
(15:32):
need to try to construct an organization like Steve Bombers.
Would you agree? I would.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I don't want it to happen because I want the
Clippers to have the advantage but yes they should. They
could mirror the other team in town and the way
they do it. Steve Bambers spared no expense in areas
where he's able to now. The reason they brought on
the second apron is because of Steve Balmer and Joe
Lacob who are paying one hundred million dollars in luxury
tax every year and just didn't care about it because
(15:59):
they have the b they have. They they're the big spenders.
I think Steve Balmer is the fifth richest person in
the world at this point. He's still the richest sports
owner in North America for sure North American sports. So yeah,
they could pattern themselves a little bit after what the
Clippers have been able to do. They just brought in
Moniu McNair to their front office from the Sacramento Kings.
(16:19):
That's a whole nother story with what happened there up
in NorCal. But he has always paid coaches. Jeff Van
Gundy was brought in this past year as the defensive coordinator.
He did a great job for them. They've been on
top of the analytics. There was a time the Lakers
were so far behind around twenty ten, and the analytics
department stuff like they relied so much on being able
(16:40):
to bring in superstars for so long and win that way,
where it felt like the rest of the league was
a farm system for the Lakers and hashtag future Laker.
If you have a player that's really good and young,
he'll eventually end up with the Lakers. That's not the
case anymore. They're not just going to be able to
bring in everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I know that's wild to say after they got Luka Dancic,
but typically that is an outlier. At this point, uh,
the Lakers are looking towards the future where there's more
of a level playing field, there's more parody. Just look
at the NBA finals to small markets. This is the
way the NBA has been going. So all those teams
in small markets who have been doing things on the margins,
(17:17):
on the edges the right way to try to hang
with the big ball clubs and the big markets. Like,
you have to fight back against that. Now if you're
the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Adam, NBA draft coming up? Your thoughts on that? Where
are the Lakers? Where the Clippers? And you know, is
there is there? I mean, obviously Cooper Flag is going
to be you know the guy, but is this a
strong draft class? And where do the Lakers and Clippers fall.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I will not pretend to be a draft expert because
I get frustrated around this time of the year, and uh,
I think I would say, k Fig is your man
for this. He was one before anybody else pointed out
how good Sga was. I remember here saying that, oh
this was the pick, this was the right pick. And
remember he went twelfth. And by the way, he was
(18:06):
originally drafted by the Charlotte Hornets, so it was them
who traded him originally, not the Clippers. Blamed them for
making the bad decision they swapped with the Clippers, drafting
Miles Bridges at twelve Sga at eleven. But I'm gonna
say this, when it comes to this draft, it feels
like because of Nil, a lot of these guys that
(18:27):
were going to be mid to late round picks in
the first round elected to stay in college because they
could actually make more money. So it feels like there's
a steep drop off around pick number ten. Now, the
top of the draft is obviously loaded with Ron Harper's son,
obviously with Cooper Flag, but after that things could get
(18:48):
a little bit murky because there's all this stuff with
Ace Bailey and his representation and not working out with
the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and who's gonna take him.
He apparently won to be the guy right away and
be able to play and put up as many shots
as he wants to. So I think there's a lot
of uncertainty, and I always go back to this, guys,
(19:09):
but I have done extensive researchers just what a crapshoot
the NBA draft is over the years. And I remember
pulling the numbers from two thousand and six to twenty sixteen,
So over a ten year period here you're talking six
hundred players drafted. Only five percent of those players became
All Stars, and only over that time of the top
(19:30):
ten picks, twenty five percent of those players became All Stars.
So remember that when on Draft night, on the Evil
four Letter wherever you're consuming your draft coverage, when they're
acting like, oh, this player is going to be so
great in the league, it is an absolute crap shoot.
You have no idea what you're getting. You could go
back to any draft and see how teams screwed up
(19:52):
by taking this player before you know, somebody like Tyreese
Halliburton went or somebody like SGA went. I mean Alex
Trusso went undrafted. Uh, TJ mcjr won, lu Dort went undrafted.
TJ went undrafted.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
How many of these guys in this NBA final went late?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, and even Warner was like five six guys that
every year that you know, okay, that that they may
be real, but other than that, it is a crap shoot,
which is why it was ridiculous all the Hooplin fodder
over Bronny going fifty to fifth in the draft for
the Lakers. It's like, oh, it's such a big deal.
They wasted this. No, they didn't waste It's all a
(20:35):
crap shoot, especially especially when you get to the second
round you don't know who's who.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, you remember we did a show about that and
we looked back over the last ten years of pick
fifty five's in the NBA draft where Bronny went. There's
one guy remaining in the league. That guy, that guy
Aaron Wiggins of the Oklahoma City Thunder. But it does
tell you one guy one left. We're talking Indiana took
(21:01):
somebody at pick fifty five I think two years ago.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
He's already out of the league.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like it's just an imperfect science. It is so difficult.
All the scouts, all the front office guys that do
this for a living can't figure it out. If you're
batting three hundred in the draft, it's just like in baseball,
you're doing alright, Like you're failing seventy percent of the time,
and that's looked at is strong. So yeah, I don't
(21:26):
get too far into it. The Clippers have pick number
thirty and then pick fifty one. The Lakers, I believe,
just have a second round pick unless they trade into
the first round too. So whoever they end up picking,
I'll do a deep dive afterwards. But I'm just not
interested in going through the fine tooth comb everybody. That
could be a possibility in this draft for teams I'm
interested in because most of the time in the mounts
(21:49):
to nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
All right, Adam, will you amount to something? Every time?
I love it. We appreciate it. Bring the energy, bring
the flavor, Adam, I love it.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I really thought I set you up there, Fred, speaking
of things that amount to nothing. Thanks for joining us here.
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Speaker 1 (22:08):
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We'll talk about that.
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Speaker 2 (22:32):
Oh yeah, come on, it's Monday winding down June Rodney, Pete,
Fred Rogan, AM five seventy LA Sports. Thanks to the
salty A. A always brings the knowledge. Man. Not only
does he bring the knowledge, he brings the passion. Yeah
he does. He doesn't shy away from being a Clippers
(22:53):
guy either. No, you know, all right, let's talk about
this college World Series LSU Coastal Carolina. So they're playing
the second of three. By the way, LSU wins. Anyway,
you are, how many pitches into the game was it.
I'm trying to remember maybe ten, three, maybe three or five?
(23:14):
I don't know. Oh no, no, it was ten. There
was ten.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So the manager of Coastal Carolina, his name or head
coach in this scenario would be Kevin Schnall. So anyway,
Kevin Snall in the first inning ten pitches in. I
think he started complaining at three, but by the time
I got to ten, he had enough and he was
complaining about balls and strikes, and apparently the played umpire
(23:42):
was struggling, which is shocking because if you look at
major league games, it happens all the time. And the
played umpire, Angel Compos used to be a major league umpire.
So he's got the play College World Series, Yes, comes out.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Set that up again, Fred, the home plate umpire used
to be a major league umpire. Right, you would think
that he has an understanding and how things can get heated,
how to handle, you know, an emotional coach. But go ahead,
I'm sorry, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So anyway, Angel Compos has been there and in the majors.
He was done in twenty fourteen. Some thought he had
a history of vote reacting when he was a big
league Ever, yeah, there's a reason why he's not in
the MLBA anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Right, there's a relation. There's a reason. Shall starts letting
him have it? Comes out of the dugout ten pitches
into the game, Angel compost runs him, runs him ten
pitches into the game. College World Series championship game, Yes,
game two of a best of three series. He runs
(24:50):
Coastal Carolina's head coach ten pitches into the game. Now,
I actually was watching that game live, to be honest
with you, and I I saw this happening, and apparently
there was some there was some discrepancy the night before
the day before that, they got into it a little bit.
(25:11):
And from what I understand that initially on the day
in question, which was yesterday or two days ago, he
got into it with the first base coach, got into
it with the first base coach where it started with
the balls and strikes, and then the head coach jumped
into it. I'm sorry, go ahead for it. No, no,
that's exactly right. So when he runs the head coach,
(25:36):
the manager ten pitches into the game. Ten a good lord.
Ten pitches into the World Series game. He runs him,
and you're like, oh god.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And then to make matters worse, all of the umpires
come running in, right, they're all gonna around and defend
Angel compos.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
One guy comes flying in, trips and falls over. Yeah,
and it looks it looks like the manager from Coastal
pushed him or whatever and didn't touch him. Didn't touch him. Now,
didn't touch him.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So this guy comes flying in. He is accusing the
manager of knocking him down, which wasn't true, and compos
runs him ten pitches into the game. I gotta tell you, you
gotta be better than that. This is the College World Series.
Get it together eight. He shouldn't work any more games.
(26:36):
He should be done.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You can't do that. Shitn't You cannot run the guy
ten pitches into the game because he's on you. Maybe
he's on you for good reason. How about time out, Kevin?
Come out here like one day. It's very similar, to
be honest with you, it's very similar. That's why it's
so current. Very similar to Dave Roberts. When Dave Roberts
(26:59):
got the other day against the Padres when they gave
a warning to both teams, and Dave was asking, why
did you give a warning to both teams? You know
they threw at our guy. Why are you warning us?
And that's really what Dave was asking. And your boy,
Fred Trip Gibson decided that you can't come out here.
(27:22):
Don't come out here. Don't you come out here. I'm
gonna run here. You come out and he ran him,
and all Dave was, I just wanted an explanation as
to why you are warning us when their guy hit us,
their guy hit us, and you're warning both teams. And
it was very similar to that where he was just questioning.
(27:43):
He said, I guess he wanted to know a specific
situation and it was trying to get an answer to it.
And a guy took offense thinking he was questioning the
balls and strikes. Now he probably was, but he was
doing it in a different way. But it wasn't even
him that initially. It was the first base coach that
(28:03):
started chirping to talk about you know, you know, get it,
you know the strike zone is whatever it may be.
And I guess there was a warning given and then
he went right back at the manager, the head coach,
and ran him. I agree with you. You cannot do that,
you got it unless somebody comes and really puts their
(28:24):
finger in your face and shoves you or whatever. You
gotta have some more decorum, You gotta have a little
bit more. You gotta have tougher skin as an umpire
to not run a head coach of a college team
in the World Series ten pitches in, I mean absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Compost should have called time. He should have called time. Now,
if you wanted to handle this and diffuse it time.
Just walk over to the dugout signal the coach to
come out. Let's just air it out right now. Don't
embarrass me. I'm gonna talk to you right now. Don't
embarrass me. Don't start screaming at me. But let's just
discuss what's going on. Let's come to an agreement. Go
(29:07):
back now, consider yourself officially warned. I gave you the chance,
I gave you the time. Let's work this out. That's
how you diffuse this thing. You don't just throw the
guy out of the game ten pitches in. And that
speaks to this. You see, sometimes the officials become too
big for the game. The one thing you never want
to do is an official ever never is anybody know
(29:31):
your name?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Rever.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
If no one knows your name, you've done a good job.
If no one can pick out anything you've done, really,
you've done a good job.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, how many I'm an NBA official? Do you know?
You know a couple? Right? Scott and the number one
you know? Right? Yeah, Scott Foster. Now he didn't work
the finals, right, he didn't. Everybody thought he because he
normally does.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, and I think his notoriety has become a deterrent. Now, Yeah,
anytime you're saying, is Scott Foster gonna work the game?
That's really bad for an official? Is it Scott Foster?
Is he working tonight?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
That's bad. You don't want people to identify you. And
it's not bad for Scott Foster the human being, but
it's bad for the game. It's bad.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And now because he is known as he is, you
might see him get fewer assignments. He's distracting from the game,
right right, anything he does in that game, somebody's going
to react to it now watching Oh my god, he's
anything controversial, anything close, anything, whatever it's gonna be, it's
(30:56):
gonna focus.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Its gonna be on Scott Foster.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
And that's not what they want. And I think that
all of the notoriety and the discussion of the conversation
about him, I think it's now hurt him. And that's
not to say he's not a good official. I'm sure
he's still one of the best, but you don't want
to send him into that. It's bad for your business,
it's bad for the game, and maybe, through no fault
of his own, he may not get any more games
(31:23):
like that. Yeah, because he's too well known angel compost
in the college game. Come on, man, come on, now
everyone knows you, Everyone now knows who you are. You
can't work anymore college World Series games ever. Ever, you shouldn't.
(31:44):
You probably shouldn't even work anymore in college sports. That
was a horrible judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And how many coaches do you think, I mean, around
college baseball are sending in their responses letters whatever they
may think, watching that going. That guy cannot work another
college playoff game ever, Like you said, how about this,
how about this?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I don't want that guy work in our games period. Yeah,
college playoff game, we don't want him. No, we don't
want him to work. We say no.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And you know the leagues do when the coaches and
ads do have a voice in this stuff, Yeah they do, Yeah,
they do. And I got to imagine other ads and
other coaches around the league around college baseball. We're going
and ten pitches in, you're gonna run him. We're talking
about you know, eighteen nineteen year old kids and the
(32:46):
world and the World Series championship game, and you gotta
run the head coach ten pitches in. Come on, you
can't do that. You cannot do that. No, I'd be
shocked if he works another at least another significant college
baseball game. No, he can't. He can't.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
When the officials become the story, then a change has
to be made. When you become the story, you have
done something wrong. Angel Hernandez became the story and suddenly
mysteriously retired, right, Oh, I just decided yesterday, I'm retiring tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, and you know what that was, right, Yeah, that
was you can go on your own. Oh, we're going
to force you out. Yeah, let's have a conversation. We've
come to a decision. You're not going to sue us.
We're not going to listen. It doesn't matter. We've got
all the evidence. You know what people do, and I
think they do it in business as well, Major League
(33:53):
Baseball's business. When they want to get rid of somebody,
they start building a case. Oh yeah, and they build
it over time. And even if somebody does what appears
to be something egregious and should be gone immediately, they
aren't gone immediately. They're warned, then they're watched. Then you
(34:14):
start building that case. And I'm sure in the situation
involving Angel Hernandez, what happened was they'd had the conversations,
but everybody. I mean, we used to play the Angel
Hernandez drinking game here on this show.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Get ready, he's working tonight. How many he's gonna miss
and how many innings will it take it?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
And get drunk?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I mean we did that. If people know that, they
probably just sit there. That's to watch everything. You're kind
of on the hot seat. Now there's nowhere to hide.
They watch everything. Anything close that you might have got
wrong is now wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
They build that case and probably got to a point,
unless God forbid, there was something physically wrong with him
and no one has said anything like that. They probably
got to the point where you know, bam, we've got
enough now right now, we've got another And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's what they do. I'm sure that's what got them.
Just yeah, because I think much like much like Major
League Baseball and the players and the players union, which
is very strong, umpires have a pretty good association as well. Yeah,
they really do. So it takes a lot for them
(35:25):
to get I guess what get exiled from managing again.
Like you said, it was a quick retirement on my own,
but it really wasn't. It was like Okay, writing's on
the wall. Angel, We'll see you the right.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
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Speaker 2 (36:23):
Come on, let's go on a Monday. We're back. Hope
you had a great weekend. Rodney, Pete, Fred Rogan. Let's
go all right, let's set this up real quick. Let
me sure, set this up. This is your baby right here,
set it up. We're gonna do something else. Oh okay,
(36:43):
that'll go move that till later. Okay, good, all right, good.
I don't know if I was ready for it anyway. No, No,
we'll do it later. We have to do it today. Okay. Uh,
just stay with us for the next hour. We have
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Speaker 1 (36:58):
Anyway, we gotta do this fast because we got to
break and good. Kevin dem Off of the RAMS on
He's going to come on here pretty quickly after the
top of the hour. Rams are trying to build a
global brand and they're doing a very good job of it.
They were in Hawaii. Obviously that's not global, that's the
United States, but I think there are territories include Australia.
They're going to play a game there I think next year,
(37:20):
Mexico and other places as well.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
And their goal is to build a global brand in
markets in which they can control marketing and things like that.
I think it's absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and it tells
you that Rodney, there's much more to this than just
put the guys out on the field let them go.
I mean, they're trying to build something much much larger. Yeah,
(37:47):
as we've seen over the years, American sports that are
really true American sports. Right, Baseball is a true American
sport that is now trans ended the globe and played
in other places around the world, especially in Asia. As
we've just witness the Dodgers really take advantage of the
(38:10):
Asian market, whether it be Japan, Korea, you know, all
over Asia. Basketball has been probably the most global sport
that has easily transcended the world, more so than than
the other American sports because it's i guess, easier to play.
(38:30):
And you see it in not only the Europe, but
you've seen it in Asia and Australia and South America.
Now Africa has got a league, South America's got you know,
players coming from South America. So NBA has got to
jump on everybody when it comes to global the global
impact in the sports. But now you're seeing football. Now,
you're seeing football kind of grow over the years. Even
(38:52):
when I was playing, this is you know, I've been
retired for twenty years now, but we started. I was
on several teams that went over outside of the US
to play. First off with Detroit, we played in London,
and then I played with the Cowboys who played in Mexico.
So you're seeing the NFL really try to, you know,
(39:13):
expand its wings much like Major League Baseball, and the
NBA has done.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
All right, let's break come back. Kevin demof of the
Rams will join the show
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