September 10, 2024 • 44 mins
Roggin and Rodney (Jonas Knox) talk about the Dodgers losing to the Cubs and Bellinger and where they go next with their pitching + Jack Harris joins and they talk about Tyreeke Hill.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alright, let's go Fred Rogan Jonas notching today for Rodney
on a five seventy LA Sports Big three Hour Show,
Big three Hours, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Huge, Grande, Herculean, that too Titanic.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yes, well said, I didn't see it. How to go
Sunday Night?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh you know it's fine. I mean, can I did
full disclosure?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
A little rusty, you know, well, I think everybody I
just well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I didn't see it. It is I don't know, I
didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You know, it's like what you're doing something you haven't
done for a long long time. But I'm like that,
hold right.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Hold on, hold on, you're doing something you haven't done
for a long time. You mean talk well TV.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Live broadcast on remote outside of the studio, trying to
work through some things.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
But could y'all hear each other this time?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
At times?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So yeah there were but again that's you know, you know,
I don't want to air anybody out, but you know,
we we I needed to be better, I'll put it
that way.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I need to be better. Probably not, but I'll say this.
Let's just call it work in progress.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, let's go fair. That's that's totally fair. Right, totally fair.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Good. You can give me updates now every week.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean we could if you if you were looking
to piss some people off, I'm sure we could. No,
definitely could.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, we don't need to. We wish everybody the best
to luck. That's how we do it here. Yeah, it
ain't all right. Uh so let's go last night, not
a strong outing by Walker Bueller first, any it was
tagged and basically they were they were out of the game,
and that was disappointing to see Cody Bellinger home off him.
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That made it even worse, pouring salt into the wound
and that just was not solid. And again with this
this rotation as if he as it is, you've got
to start looking at every start as make it or
break it for these guys in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, it feels like an audition for everybody. And like,
what's alarming is that Dave Roberts, like we're at this
point of the year and doesn't know he doesn't know
what his starting rotation really is going to look like
or who he trusts to be out there. And I
don't know if your takeaway was the same as mine,
but I'm watching Walker Buehler walk off the mound last night,
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and that looked like a guy who is so unsure
of himself and whether or not he still got it
and can still get back to what he was that
he just seems demoralized at times. And I think one
of the quotes he had after the game was, I'm
just trying to survive at this point. Like he's just like,
whether I pitch in the postseason or not, trying to
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put something together. And that's got to be a really
lonely and frustrating feeling when you've shown the ability to
pitch it such a high level, not only in the
postseason but in the regular season, and then you come
out and you just struggle early on in games. And
as he put it last night, screw us from the
jump and we go into the half of the first
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inning and we're down three runs. It's not ideal.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I could see, and I think of a valid point
when he walked off. If you were watching on TV,
you could see in his face morustration and indecision. Yeah,
and the indecision was what is going on? That's the
indecision in his mind, What the hell's happening? Why can't
I figure this out? That's what I saw in his
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eyes when he walked off last night.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And you think about it. I mean I never took
Walker Bueller as a guy who struggled with confidence, like
when he was dealing. That was somebody looked at and said, like,
I remember the conversations in this town. There were some
people who said, man, I kind of trust him in
a bigger spot more than to do Clayton Kershaw, because
it looks like he doesn't get rattled by the moment,
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like he wants the smoke, so to speak, like he's
welcoming the pressure. That guy last night that walked off
the mound has looks like he has zero confidence in
whatever he's got going on physically, and maybe or and
maybe it's a meant I don't know, but that seemed
concerning and I felt bad for the guy. I really did,
just to see where he's at. The injuries. You know,
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he goes back down to rehab assignments and try and
work through some stuff. Then he comes back. Now we're
down the stretch run of the postseason, and he's basically admitting, Yeah,
whether I pitch in the postseason or not, I'm just
trying to find something, which is a far cry from
who he was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What's really sad for him is that if you want
to write him off and say he'll never be the
guy he was again, I think you're too soon. I
think that is jumping the gun. His problem here is twofold. First,
he's got to get right in a very short tense
period of time. In other words, it's got to be now.
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There's no runway here. It's got to be now because
the playoffs are coming. The other side of it is
his deals up. This was supposed to be a monster
year for him as he entered free agency. Do I
think the Dodgers give up on him. Absolutely not. I
don't do. I think they're going to tell him to
take a walk when it's all said and done this year. No,
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because I don't think they know what they have yet.
I do know this, whatever mega deal he thought he
was going to get, that's out the window. Yeah, that's done.
He's got to go back next year and prove himself.
I think he needs more time. I just think the
runway is so short here for him. So it compounds everything,
the frustration of not getting it right, getting to where
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he needs to be, and then the questions he has
in his own mind about am I going to be
able to get back to where I need to be.
I think that's the issue with Walker Buell right now.
I still think he can pitch. I don't know if
there's enough time here Jonas for him to prove he
can pitch effectively in these playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, he needs an off season, like he needs an
off season to try. And I think it was Joe
Davis who made the point on the TV call last night,
where you know Mark Pryor, the pitching coach, has talked
to Walker Bueller about listen, enough messing around, just like,
pick something and let's focus on that, Like, stop worrying
about your grip, stop worrying about this, stop wearing, Like,
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just pick something and we'll go with that. And to
your point, I think that is what's happening. He's trying
to cram in an entire off season of work to
develop and figure out his new body, his new arm,
whatever this is. But he's trying to do it in
the middle of the Dodgers trying to ensure better positioning
in the postseason. In a postseason he might not even
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be a part of, Like and if he's not a
part of that, like, yeah, that's gonna hurt him in
the wallet, like they're gonna or is the billfold like
my dad used to say. But I I just watched
him come off the mound last night and I thought,
I And I know you don't want to give up
on him and you don't want to throw but I
just wonder if deep down he thinks he's ever gonna
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be the same guy again, because I don't know. And
when he starts questioning that, a guy who never seemingly
lacked confidence like that that we've talked about, that's a
little bit alarming to me.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
He will never be the same guy again. I can
answer that for him right now. He will never be
the same guy again. But he can be a different
version of that guy, the exact same guy, no, no,
not after the surgeries. But can he be a different
version as good? Yes he can, But he has to
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learn that. That's what I'm telling you. That's the whole
problem here. Everything is compressed, there's no time, and every
time he goes out there, if he is questioning every
move he makes, it's only going to make it worse.
You know, when we have kids that learn how to
be on TV interns. I used to put him on
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the set and I have somebody roll the prompter and
I tell him the exact same thing. It's cold copy.
You don't know what it is. I want you to
read it. And if you make a mistake, don't stop.
Keep going. Under no circumstances should you stop. And here's why,
Because if you are doing something, if you're reading the prompter,
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if you're pitching, if you're a walk or Bueller, and
something goes awry, you make a mistake, you kick it.
Your initial inclination is to think about it. Damn. You know.
If you're reading a prompter, Damn, I missed that one. Okay,
when you do that, what happens next? You're going to
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miss the next one. You're gonna miss the next one
because you're worrying about the previous one. And the more
you worry about what you had just done and the
mistake you may have made, the worse it becomes. And
that's why we tried to train the kids just keep going,
do not stop under any circumstances. Develop that confidence. Understand
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it's okay, don't belabor a mistake, keep going. And with
Walker Buehler, who was openly admitting I don't really know
what's going on here. Just think about that one pitch. Damn,
I missed a little bit outside, you know, Okay, this one,
I'm not gonna miss boom right down the middle, you see.
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I think that's that's part of it as well, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And also if there was a guy too, and you
know that you could look at and go, that's somebody
who would know like that is somebody who you could
lean on and who's been through something similar. Wouldn't it
be Mark Pryor? Like people like people may not realize,
like Mark Pryor was one of the great prospects that
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we've ever seen. We're talking Steven Strasburg. We're talking I mean,
like you know, uh, Paul's skin's level like that. That's
the type of like prospect and level and trajectory he
was on and what they thought of him and where
do things go sideways? The injuries and he was never
able to get back to being the same pitcher and
the same player that he was. And I hope Walker
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Buehler looks at him and says, hey, you've been here.
What can I do? What do I need? And the
problem is, well, we need you to be great for
the postseason. I mean, like, if we're gonna be honest here,
like that's what we need because we don't know what
the hell we've got that we're gonna roll out there
when the playoffs start, and he just he doesn't have it.
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He doesn't have it right now. Maybe he gets it
back in the off season. But I just I looked
at a guy and in his face and his expression
as he left it, and I honestly felt bad for him,
because that's got to be a really crummy feeling to know. Man,
maybe I'm never going to be the same player I was,
and maybe I don't even know what the hell this
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new version is going to look like. But it's nothing
close to what I thought or was projected to be.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, we'll find out on another pitching note. What you
have in Yamamoto tonight? He is now back, and again
that's the big arm, that's the guy they need. He
in glass. Noow Yamamoto returns tonight. I don't think they
know what they're gonna get. They hope he's okay. He
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seems like he's better, he seems like he's paying free.
This is very big tonight, very very important to see
how he pitches.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I was okay. I heard Dave Assay on with Petrus
Some Money yesterday talking about Yamamoto and the way that
it was being discussed. They're looking at anywhere from two
to four innings of work for him. He's talked about
how he's still trying to adjust his you know, his
landing for like just the way it seemed like somebody
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who maybe probably needs another rehab start or maybe probably
needs to to continue to work down. But yet they're
bringing him up here now. And look, I don't want
to be doom and gloom, but this thing could go sideways,
like in a hurry, Like if he goes out tonight
and gets gas canned, then what like and I and
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I don't want to I don't want to swim in
the negative pool. I like to let you do that.
I want to be as positive as I can. But
this does this does feel like, you know, there's a
there's a lot of still concern and unanswered questions, and
they're like, all right, we're just gonna try it and
hope that it goes well. Like this is a massive
start for him to at least give them some sort
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of an idea what they're going to have when they
get to the post. This is excessive.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
See I look at it like this. Let's say he
goes out there tonight and, as you said, got gas canned.
To me, that's no harm, no foul, what Honest to god,
it's not a big deal. Here's what I want him
to do tonight. Get out of there with no pain
and be okay. That's kind of where we're at, Jonas.
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I mean, if he goes out and gets lit, okay,
well he got lit. But how's he feel? How's your arm?
I'm good, I'm good. Okay, you can go again. Perfect.
That's all they need tonight. They need him to walk
off the mound and be okay. Then everything else will
fall into place. I don't think he needs as much
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ramp up time as Walker Bueller does, but he's just
got to be okay when they go. He'll go two
to four innings. Do they think he's okay? They don't
think he's stretched out. So, no matter what happened to
him tonight, if he walks off paying free, gets up
tomorrow feels okay, that's a win.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So basically, what you're saying is that when we get
to the postseason, right, If y'a Momoto's the starter, right
and goes four innings and gives up eight runs and
three of them are home runs and we're talking monster
shots off scoreboards and everything, and the Dodgers lose a
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critical playoff game, you'd be okay with that. As long
as he came off and said, I don't need nearly
as much ice as I did last game.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I would not. That is incorrect. That was a stretch,
and you.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Know it, okay, I mean it, just that was a stretch.
And you know you need results, like I understand, like
you want to know that you feel good, but you
do need like you do need some results here.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, but the results are not important tonight, and the
playoffs that are critical, the result is not important tonight. No,
he can't walk off every game pitching four innings and
giving up eight runs.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And but if you can't, if you can't get results
against the Cubs, how the here you get to get
results against Philly or I don't know, or whoever out
in San Diego? And I look, man, the Cubs aren't
very good. And you know two former Dodgers Michael Bush
and Cody Bellinger ate them alive last night. That's that's
also a problem. You know, by the way, Michael Bush,
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little dude Dodgers fans know, has quietly put together the
best defensive season for a first baseman in the league.
He's unbelievable and he's figuring it out at the plate,
Like that's that. We're gonna look at that deal and
go like that that could have helped, you know, like
maybe that would have you know, that would have, you know,
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helped alleviate some of the issues we had on the
infield this year, Like it's you know, and then to
see Bellinger do what he's doing, you know, and then
have that big catch in the ninth inning, like, yeah,
it was it was a fun night for the exes.
Like the exit, it was like you run into your
and you're out and about and you realize, oh, like
I just kind of came in sweats and like a
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cutoff sleeve T shirt and she looks like a rocket ship. Oops,
she wins this outing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
All right, we'll give it away Dodger tickets. Jonas Hell. Yeah,
one pair each and every hour. So we'll give you
a cue to call during this first hour and you'll
have a chance to go see the Dodgers out at
the stadium when we come back. Jack Harris of The
Times joins us, we've been talking about pitching. He wrote,
if I was gonna win this hour, whether you like
it or not, you're gonna win those tickets and you're
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gonna go to the stadium. You know why we do that, Jonas?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Why is that.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Because we've lived to give. Yeah, that's who we are.
We care about people. You know, people do this and
they make it a job. I do it as a
community service.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Hey listen, my wife was at the Dodger game last night.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know time, No, she wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well, I mean, you know, you take in the atmosphere,
you know, a little toasty stick even at first pitch.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Let me say this, be honest. If you go to
a game, you've sent money to go to the game,
and they get blown out, that really annoys you. You're like,
why did I have to come to this game? Why
couldn't I go to the game where they won twelve
to one? Yeah? What am I sitting here like this?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
For? Well? But I would also say that, you know,
and for any mother's out there who she went with
her one of her best friends. My wife has a
three year old. Her friend has a five year old.
Sometimes you just need a night out, like you could go.
You could be at a construction site and you know,
you could just start gambling on who's going to be
the first one to tip over the crane like whatever.
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It is, like, you know, just something you needed to
break to get away. So it's like, hey, go and
have to go to the game, enjoy it, have a
good time, and she did. It's always fun.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
At the park. Just before we get Jack Harris on here,
let me just follow up with a question. Does your
wife go to many construction sites?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
God, I hope not.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Far. Let's bring on Jack Harris at the Times. Jack,
thanks for jumping on here. How are you.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I'm great. That was a great intro.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There you go, Well, you're talking about his wife going
to construction sites.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I don't know what's going on sometimes, you know, even
though it was not a great look for the Dodgers
and there's some concern after the fact, it's still a
fun night out of the ballpark and you know, a
little hot, a little bit warm even at first pitch,
but it does feel like we're past the hottest portion
of the year.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So I'll tell you after sitting in the one hundred
and three degree heat on Sunday ninety four. Never felt
so cool last night.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So there you go, there you go. All right, we're
going to get to your piece on pitching, which I
thought was brilliant. But let's just talk about what we
got in front of his first walker, Bueller Jonas and
I chopped it up in the first segment. Seemed like
a guy that was confused and is just really frustrated.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Your take, Yeah, I mean this is part of the
difficult process that comes with trying to come back from
a second career Tommy John surgery. The two starts before
last night, you know, he felt better with where his
delivery was at and said he was feeling more like himself.
And I actually think that, you know, last night he
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didn't pitch that much worse just based on the stuff
than the previous two. But the place where he's at
right now, you know, any little drop off the margin
prayer for him is so fine that he wasn't landing
his curveball as well. Last night, he wasn't as precise
with his fastball command. And you saw what happened, which is,
you know, he goes from a guy who was able
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to compete through you know, five innings and giving up
a couple of runs in his last two starts, to
suddenly giving up nine hits and a couple homers and
reverting back to the more inconsistent version of him that
we saw earlier this year, so they could use him. Obviously,
with the state of the pitching, I think there's still
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enough time and enough signs that, you know, he's probably
a little bit closer to being a more competitive version
of himself than he's been for a lot of the year.
But at the same time, you know, performance is what
matters most right now, and even with some of the
strides he's made in recent weeks, he's still in a
place where if he's a little bit off, he's susceptible
to something like you saw last night.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Is there confidence in him getting back to somebody that
can rely on and rely on in the postseason or
is this much like other situations from the pitching staff standpoint,
Dave Roberts, still trying to figure something out here down
the final few games.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, probably more to the latter, Like you're not going
to be seeing Walker Dealer most likely pitching six or
seven innings in playoff games, I think with the state
of the pitching staff, unless they get a lot of
injury luck these last couple of weeks, he's probably going
to be needed to be some part of the October
pitching plan. What that looks like, you know, they still
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have to figure out that out these last couple of weeks. Again,
I think when in terms of just the stuff, like,
it's good enough that when he's clicking and in sync
and pitching well that you know, I think it's it's
not out of the realm of possibility. He could give you,
you know, four or five competitive innings in a playoff game,
but it's also not out of the realm of possibility,
and maybe even more likely that he struggles in a
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postseason environment, especially if they're facing a good lineup you
know that can take advantage of of some of his
mistake pitches. So again, with where they're at, he's one
of the guys that I think has become pretty important,
and if he's pitching well by the time they get
to the playoffs, it can make a big difference. But
that's really far from a guarantee right now, and it's
just another one of these question marks that they're facing
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is they try to figure out what things are going
to look like once they get to October.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Jack I said with Yamamoto tonight, here's what you need.
Don't have any pain in your arm tomorrow. Nothing else matters.
Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's probably not far off the truth. I think you
know that they would like to see him come back,
be able to hold his stuff, even through what's probably
only going to be like a three or four inning
start at the most. So how he looks is important.
But yeah, I think that the biggest thing right now
for him and basically everybody else on the staff is
just getting through these starts healthy, trying to find some
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consistency and momentum over the final couple of weeks of
the season. He's another guy that you know, of all
the injury question marks they have right now, he's probably
the safest bet to be built up and healthy by
the time they get to October. But again, that's like
you said, that's only if he gets through a start
tonight and a couple more starts these last couple of
weeks feeling good and feeling healthy and not feeling pain
in his shoulder again. And that's something that you're only
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going to find out as he goes through this process,
you know, on top of the performance aspect and the
stuff and the rest of it all.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Right, if you had to pick right now, what does
the starting rotation look like for the Dodgers in the playoffs? Like?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Who feels pretty confident?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I feel pretty confident about Jack Clarity being at the
top of the rotation most likely. I think that again,
barring another injury set back, Yamamoto will be probably the
number two guy. And then it's up to is Tyler
Glass now going to be built up and ready to
make true starts by the time you get to the
NLDS and Gavin Stone make what would be probably a
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somewhat miraculous recovery from this shoulder injury that has his
status very much in doubt as it pertains to October.
So after Clarity and Yamamoto, right now, you're looking at
Walker Dealer, You're looking at Bobby Miller and Land and
Knack and which of those guys looks best over the
final stretch of the season. Here you're looking at is
Clayton Kershaw going to be able to come back from
this toe injury and make a couple of starts before
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the end of the season and look a little bit
better than he did at times, and the seven starts
he did make before getting hurt. So I think the
best case scenario right now, at least for the NLDS,
is having Jack Clarity and Yoshinobu Yamamoto built up and
pitching well by the time you get there, which in
a five game series would mean a lot for the Dodgers, especially,
you know, when you look back at the way last
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year win a couple of these past postseasons where where
they probably didn't even have that kind of caliber of
pitching to rely on. But after that, again, there's a
lot of question marks and a lot of opportunities for
guys who who pitch well down the stretch here to
give themselves a bigger role by the time the team
gets to the postseason.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's kind of wild to think about that the guy
that they're depending on being their Game one starter in
the postseason was a guy they acquired with like eleven
seconds left before the trade deadline. Like, there's no way
they envision this is what Jack Flaerty's role is going
to be.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No, probably not this role, probably not being you know,
your most reliable for the starting pitcher by the time
you get to the playoffs. But you know, it's it
is really fair to think about how much worse off
this team would be right now on the mound if
they didn't get that deal done, which, like you said,
did come down to the last minutes of the deadline
and was not a guarantee to get done basically until
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the buzzer. So, you know, having him and the way
he's pitched for them since coming over, the way he's
pitched all year, going back to how he started the
season with Detroit, I think is a really important thing,
especially for that first round of the playoffs when the
injury questions are going to be most pressing. And yeah,
this is a very different looking rotation with him helping
anchor it than it would have been had they not
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landed him or some other starter at the deadline.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Jack Harris with us, Okay, let's get to the piece
you wrote about pitching Dodger pitching the injuries, people trying
to throw the ball just to tick faster and the
doing that they're putting added stress on their body when
it's all said and done, and you looked at the
number of injuries Dodger pitchers have suffered and how they've
suffered the injuries. What conclusion did you draw.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Jack, Yeah, I mean this is a really complicated and
difficult question to answer, and it is one, as the
Dodgers pointed out, that is affecting the industry at large,
not only other MLB teams, but all the way down
to the youth levels, Like this is a problem that
the entire sport is trying to grapple with, which is,
you know, baseball's current moment, it's never been easier or
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more effective for pictures and teams to develop stuff to
add velocity to pictures to get them throwing harder and
better than you know, past generations of pictures probably would
have been able to. The challenge is that when you
talk to medical experts about this problem in large samples,
when velocity goes up, so does the risk of injury. Now,
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velocity alone doesn't cause injuries. It's like you said, it's
when you are a pitcher and you're trying to throw harder,
you are opening yourself up to potentially putting more stress
on your elbow or more stress on your shoulder, and
doing things that you know might not seem wrong might not,
you know, you might not be able to pinpoint the
exact root cause. But when you see velocity goes go up,
(26:47):
injuries go up with it. And as it pertains to
the Dodgers, you know, they've been probably as good as
anybody in baseball the last decade or so at figuring
out how to make pictures better and how to get
them to throw harder, and how to get them to
throw with more or spin and things like that. They've
done really well at that. That's why they've had so
many good, young, promising young pitchers come through their system
and have some success in the big leagues and show
(27:09):
some promise for the future. But again, I think it
hits at this issue that medical experts point to. Is
not the only problem or the only reason that injuries
are up for pictures, but is this central one is
the most difficult to figure out. And for a team
like the Dodgers, the challenges, you know, how do we
continue to help pitchers get better and develop stuff and
(27:30):
do all the things we want them to do while
trying to mitigate the injury risk that is that is
hitting them harder than any other team. And the Majors
has experience and it's something that you know, they said
they're going to look into a lot more this winter
that they don't have a clear answer on right now.
But the reality is being able to develop stuff and
have a lot of good, young, promising pitchers only helps
(27:53):
if they're healthy and on the mound and growing as
you know, big league players. And the problem the Dodgers
run into in recent years is, you know, they've thought
that they would have a lot of young depth to
count on and some young pictures that would help kind
of anchor the rotation and take over in frontline roles.
And it said guys have gotten hurt. Dustin May is
(28:14):
out hurt, Tony Anklin is out hurt. This year, you
have Emmit Chan and River Ryan and Gavin Stone now
guys who probably would have been pretty important contributors in
October who don't look like they're going to be able
to because of the amount of injuries that this team
has dealt with. So again, it's not a problem that
is specific to the Dodgers or unique to the Dodgers,
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but it is one that is impacting them a lot
more than it's impacting other teams, and that doesn't have
a really clear answer. You know, to try to fix.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Is there any going back? Like, and I'm not saying, well, listen,
let's just you know, roll back and bring back. You know,
have everybody throw like Kyle Hendrix was throwing last night,
or Jamie Moyer some of these other like soft tossing
pictures from years gone by. Is there a thought that
maybe we dial it down a little bit and just
(29:05):
try and master the strike zone? Like what is it
thinking on how to fix and remedy the situation If
you've got some guys that are throwing one hundred and
five like we saw, you know, a couple of weeks
ago against the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, I mean the important thing to remember is like
some guys can't handle it, either because their mechanics are
that clean and efficient or just they have the physical
build to be able to do it. And then there's
guys that don't throw very hard who still get hurt.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
One of the guys I quoted in the story Glenn Fleisig,
who is the director of Biomechanics at the American Medical
Sports Institute and helps Major League Baseball research pitching injuries.
You know, he pointed to the idea that teams already
use things like these super slow moo biomechanical cameras to
help pitchers, you know, develop stuff right, to show them
(29:54):
ways in their delivery that they can get a little
more velo, or they can be a little bit more consistent,
or they can get more spin on a pitch, and
things like that that you know on his mind, he
thinks you can use that stuff to potentially also maybe
try to identify root causes for injuries. You know, maybe
a picture you can start to figure out, Okay, this
guy the way he's throwing. Yeah, he's throwing harder, but
(30:14):
his mechanics are putting him in a position where he
might get hurt. So is there a way that we
can tweak his mechanics to where his stuff is still
really good and he still throws hard, but he's doing
it in a way that better protects his arm from
a potential future injury. You know, that's kind of that's
the ideal answer, I suppose. But at the same time,
if there was a club that you would have figured
(30:35):
could have figured this out by now, it would have
been the Dodgers, because they are so ahead of the
curve on these kinds of things, and because they do
have the kind of staff both at the major league
and minor league level that understands, you know, how to
incorporate that kind of data and that kind of technology,
and you know, incorporates people from across the organization and
evaluating prospects, you know, from the medical side, to the
(30:58):
player performance side, the training staff side. And yet they're
the team that is dealing with this most head on,
that's had the most pitchers go on the IL for
the last four years, that's had almost as many Tommy
John surgeries, is at the major league level as any
other big league clubs. So this is where the complicated
part of the question becomes, because I don't think that
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you're going to get very far telling teams or individual
pitchers that the answers to just throw harder and not
maximize your skill set and not make yourself as good
as you can, because at the end of the day,
pitchers are going to want to do that because they
know that that's their best path to a potential big
league future. Teams are going to do that because they
want their pitchers, you know, throwing the best stuff possible.
(31:40):
But at some point, you know, you have to also
figure out a way to keep them healthy, and that's
something that again the Dodgers have said they're going to
try to look at a lot more in depth. This
winner that the league and teams around the league are
trying to figure out on their own. But it continues
to be a vexting problem, and the Dodgers have become
kind of like example a of that where you know,
(32:02):
it's great that you can develop stuff, but it has
diminishing returns if guys aren't staying healthy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Jack, great job, wonderful job on that piece. Thanks for
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Speaker 3 (32:11):
Jack, Yeah, appreciate it. Guys.
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Today Farradi. Okay, before we get to this, let's approach
it thusly. Okay, Let's just talk about what happened, all right.
Let's just talk about what happened before anybody gets upset
about what happened. Let's try to be factual about it,
all right, all right, and then Nick, you want to
(34:07):
get upset, get upset. But I think the problem is
you say two words and all of a sudden people
are irritated. Let's just talk about the facts of the
Tyreek Hill case. All right. We have audio now, some
bodycam video was released today, so let's talk about it.
He's going to the game Sunday, and you stop me
(34:29):
when I'm wrong, Okay, Jonas, Okay, He's going to the
game Sunday. The police pull him over for speeding. Am
I good? So far?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, they pull him over for speeding. Of course, he's
playing for the Dolphins. The game is in Miami. They
pull him over for speeding. The police approach and they
tell him roll down your window, which is standard operating
procedure in one of those stops. Please roll down your
window for two reasons. First, we want to see you
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and honestly, we want to see your hands. Yes, we
need to know where your hands are. Right, if you've
ever been pulled over, what do they tell you to
put your hands out the window? We need to see
your hands. So they walk up, they tell him to
roll down the window, and he rolled it down. They
are talking to him and also understand that those windows
(35:26):
are really tinted, so it's going to probably be difficult
if the window is not rolled down for you standing
on the outside of the vehicle to have a clear
view of what's going on inside the vehicle, Am I right?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So far fair enough?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Okay, They ask him to roll down the window, he does,
He then rolls the window back up. Yeah, that's where
things kind of went sideways. So far, so good.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, And also there was this little portion where before
that he told the officer don't knock on my window
like that, which kind of put us in the uh
Already we're starting off, you know, on a little bit
of a sour note in the exchange with the police there,
all right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So that's what happened. Now we have audio from the
body cam of the officer at the car. Let's listen
to it. He don't knock on my window?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Let yeah, don't knock?
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Why do you knock on my wonder?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Why do you want to let that know? Day what?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
No knock on my wonder?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
No knock on my window light?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Why you have it up? I do not to let
you know here.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Don't talk to me in my ticket brus so I
can go.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm gonna play. Hey, you know what you gotta do?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Keep it down? Hey, keep your window down?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
What?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Hey, keep your window down?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Tell me what?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Keep your window down. I'm gonna get you out of
the car, I said. Matter, if I get out of
the car, get out of the park, we'll break up
for get get out of the car. Hope to get out,
Get out of the car right now. We're not playing
this game. Get out, get it out, get.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Out, get off, get out. What part of.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Hey, d getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I'm getting arrested. I'm getting arrested. Dr Get up. When
we tell you to do something, you do it. You understand,
you understand now what you want.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
But when we tell you I'm getting out late.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
All right, man, thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
What's gonna do, a bro, it isnt good?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Hey? All right, By the way, you just heard Fred
Rogan's recent arrest courtesy here on a.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, that was what was ut me. And he's talking
about Drew. He's talking to a agent through Rosenhaus. Okay,
so that's what happened. They asked him first, Jonas, you
were accurate, don't knock on my window. So that kind
of started things going a bit sideways. Yes, Then they
asked him to roll down your window, and that didn't work.
(38:20):
So then they basically yanked him out of the car. Yeah, okay,
now to me watching it, to me watching it, yeah,
he really didn't comply with what their request was initially.
And again, roll down your window so we can see
your hands. But but and I have friends that are
(38:44):
law enforcement. My late father in law and brother in
law were lapd But once that door opened, I thought
that law enforcement probably took that a little too far,
yanking him out, putting him down, coughing him, making him
(39:09):
sit down again. I thought, honestly, at that point they
had gone too far. You didn't need to yank him
out of the car like that. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I know that it's not popular. You've got to take
one side or the other. Like this is the society
we live in now, and there's no agree to disagree.
It's one side or the other. And if you're not
on my side, you're this and it's name calling and
it's all that, and it's you know, it feels like
you know politics. Tyreek Hill handled it poorly, and so
did the police period, Like if they knock on your
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you don't tell a cop multiple times, don't knock on
my window like that, like you like already you're starting
off on the wrong foot, like you've committed a traffic
violation whatever it is, speeding, whatever the case may be.
But you already took that approach when there was an engagement,
Like those were the first words spoken. It was Tyreek
Hill saying, don't ever knock on my window like that
(40:09):
and then rolls the window back up. So he started
things off poorly with the exchange. The cop didn't probably
need to throw him down on his face, cuff him,
put a knee in his back, detain other Dolphins players
that showed up to the scene. The cop was clearly irritated,
like h like it is Okay to just acknowledge not
(40:32):
a great moment for either side, but it's like if
you try, like once this comes up, now you've got
people that want to run with all this, And Colin
Kaepernick was right, it's like, okay, hold on a second,
like like hold on, like like can we not go there?
Like why don't we just all take a step back
and recognize the fact that there were two people involved,
(40:54):
or you know, two sides of this story, and either
side might have a complain against the FED. But the
fact of the matter is when you start off in
exchange the way you did, in a combative tone and
you're dismissive to the cop, the CoP's going to take
that personally. And the cop took it a little too
personally and threw him down on his face. And I
(41:16):
know nobody wants to bring up these discussions, but man,
you don't know what that cop was dealing with prior
to that. You don't know what his stopped that took
place prior to that was he was probably maybe already agitated,
already frustrated, and then that happened. He needed to handle
it better, but so did Tyreek Hill and this whole
like the other part of this that people I think
(41:37):
that rubs people the wrong way is when you've got
Tyreek Hill and the Dolphins coming out and speaking about, well,
you know, it's not right. We need to make a change,
We need to somebody might want to go digging through
Tyreek Hill's history and figure out that maybe that's not
the guy to talk about the way you act and
(41:58):
the way you conduct yourself based on the stuff and
complaints and other things that have been filed against him
over the course of his career, whether it was, you know,
the stuff with his pregnant girlfriend at the time in college,
whether it was you know, allegedly abusing his son. Like,
there's all sorts of stuff that's out there on Tyreek Hill.
So it's like, I know, nobody wants to take this approach.
(42:21):
They want to pick one side or the other and
they just want to dig their feet in. No. No, listen,
both sides could have been better. Tyreek Hill included. Let's
not just all of a sudden throw barbes at the
police just because that's where we were taking this because
we want to rehash our Colin Kaepernick takes guys.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
I think it's also a note that the cop that
threw him down. Wasn't the cop that was knocking on
the door. That was somebody else who was overhearing the
conversation and seemed to be of this no nonsense approach.
That's also the guy that pushed him down when Tyreek
was saying, hey, I just had knee surgery. That's what
everyone is concluding. Is the cop that got sent home
(43:00):
on administrative leave. The guy who initially knocked on the window.
He seemed to be handling it in an appropriate fashion.
It's the guy who pulled him out of the car
before Tyreek he even't really had much time to get
out himself. That I think is the guy everyone's talking about.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, it's just like both sides could have handled it
way better. Like like, I mean, I don't know when
the last time you've been pulled over. I could I
couldn't imagine a cop pulling me over and being like,
don't knock on my window like that multiple times? Like wait,
what how do you think that's gonna go? And by
the way, if you are running late and you're going
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to a game, wouldn't you want to like make it
as fast as possible, Like I've been pulled over driving
into the studio, like, I don't have the time to
argue about how fast I was really going or what
the one on one, you know, the flow of traffic
was like at the time, I just I have to
cooperate so I can get in to do my job.
And he didn't cooperate from the jump.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Well, lowering the window and then putting it back up,
that's no negotiable.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I don't care who you are.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
If you have a tinted window that has to stay down,
you can't. That's protocol.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
But yeah, yeah, that's what I said. He rolled up
the window, but then that was his error. And the
other part of it was I don't know if if
the cop had to pull him out and shove him
out of the ground. Jonas, You're right, there are two sides.
And what we'll do is when we come back, when
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Vinnie is here, we'll hear Tyreek Hill's comments. All right,
when we come back, Vinnie bonsignor NFL Insider will join
us and we'll let you hear what Tyreek Hill had
to say.
Alright, let's go Fred Rogan Jonas notching today for Rodney
on a five seventy LA Sports Big three Hour Show,
Big three Hours, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Huge, Grande, Herculean, that too Titanic.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yes, well said, I didn't see it. How to go
Sunday Night?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh you know it's fine. I mean, can I did
full disclosure?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
A little rusty, you know, well, I think everybody I
just well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I didn't see it. It is I don't know, I
didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You know, it's like what you're doing something you haven't
done for a long long time. But I'm like that,
hold right.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Hold on, hold on, you're doing something you haven't done
for a long time. You mean talk well TV.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Live broadcast on remote outside of the studio, trying to
work through some things.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
But could y'all hear each other this time?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
At times?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So yeah there were but again that's you know, you know,
I don't want to air anybody out, but you know,
we we I needed to be better, I'll put it
that way.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I need to be better. Probably not, but I'll say this.
Let's just call it work in progress.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, let's go fair. That's that's totally fair. Right, totally fair.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Good. You can give me updates now every week.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean we could if you if you were looking
to piss some people off, I'm sure we could. No,
definitely could.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, we don't need to. We wish everybody the best
to luck. That's how we do it here. Yeah, it
ain't all right. Uh so let's go last night, not
a strong outing by Walker Bueller first, any it was
tagged and basically they were they were out of the game,
and that was disappointing to see Cody Bellinger home off him.
(02:00):
That made it even worse, pouring salt into the wound
and that just was not solid. And again with this
this rotation as if he as it is, you've got
to start looking at every start as make it or
break it for these guys in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, it feels like an audition for everybody. And like,
what's alarming is that Dave Roberts, like we're at this
point of the year and doesn't know he doesn't know
what his starting rotation really is going to look like
or who he trusts to be out there. And I
don't know if your takeaway was the same as mine,
but I'm watching Walker Buehler walk off the mound last night,
(02:38):
and that looked like a guy who is so unsure
of himself and whether or not he still got it
and can still get back to what he was that
he just seems demoralized at times. And I think one
of the quotes he had after the game was, I'm
just trying to survive at this point. Like he's just like,
whether I pitch in the postseason or not, trying to
(03:00):
put something together. And that's got to be a really
lonely and frustrating feeling when you've shown the ability to
pitch it such a high level, not only in the
postseason but in the regular season, and then you come
out and you just struggle early on in games. And
as he put it last night, screw us from the
jump and we go into the half of the first
(03:22):
inning and we're down three runs. It's not ideal.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I could see, and I think of a valid point
when he walked off. If you were watching on TV,
you could see in his face morustration and indecision. Yeah,
and the indecision was what is going on? That's the
indecision in his mind, What the hell's happening? Why can't
I figure this out? That's what I saw in his
(03:47):
eyes when he walked off last night.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And you think about it. I mean I never took
Walker Bueller as a guy who struggled with confidence, like
when he was dealing. That was somebody looked at and said, like,
I remember the conversations in this town. There were some
people who said, man, I kind of trust him in
a bigger spot more than to do Clayton Kershaw, because
it looks like he doesn't get rattled by the moment,
(04:11):
like he wants the smoke, so to speak, like he's
welcoming the pressure. That guy last night that walked off
the mound has looks like he has zero confidence in
whatever he's got going on physically, and maybe or and
maybe it's a meant I don't know, but that seemed
concerning and I felt bad for the guy. I really did,
just to see where he's at. The injuries. You know,
(04:35):
he goes back down to rehab assignments and try and
work through some stuff. Then he comes back. Now we're
down the stretch run of the postseason, and he's basically admitting, Yeah,
whether I pitch in the postseason or not, I'm just
trying to find something, which is a far cry from
who he was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What's really sad for him is that if you want
to write him off and say he'll never be the
guy he was again, I think you're too soon. I
think that is jumping the gun. His problem here is twofold. First,
he's got to get right in a very short tense
period of time. In other words, it's got to be now.
(05:14):
There's no runway here. It's got to be now because
the playoffs are coming. The other side of it is
his deals up. This was supposed to be a monster
year for him as he entered free agency. Do I
think the Dodgers give up on him. Absolutely not. I
don't do. I think they're going to tell him to
take a walk when it's all said and done this year. No,
(05:37):
because I don't think they know what they have yet.
I do know this, whatever mega deal he thought he
was going to get, that's out the window. Yeah, that's done.
He's got to go back next year and prove himself.
I think he needs more time. I just think the
runway is so short here for him. So it compounds everything,
the frustration of not getting it right, getting to where
(06:00):
he needs to be, and then the questions he has
in his own mind about am I going to be
able to get back to where I need to be.
I think that's the issue with Walker Buell right now.
I still think he can pitch. I don't know if
there's enough time here Jonas for him to prove he
can pitch effectively in these playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, he needs an off season, like he needs an
off season to try. And I think it was Joe
Davis who made the point on the TV call last night,
where you know Mark Pryor, the pitching coach, has talked
to Walker Bueller about listen, enough messing around, just like,
pick something and let's focus on that, Like, stop worrying
about your grip, stop worrying about this, stop wearing, Like,
(06:40):
just pick something and we'll go with that. And to
your point, I think that is what's happening. He's trying
to cram in an entire off season of work to
develop and figure out his new body, his new arm,
whatever this is. But he's trying to do it in
the middle of the Dodgers trying to ensure better positioning
in the postseason. In a postseason he might not even
(07:02):
be a part of, Like and if he's not a
part of that, like, yeah, that's gonna hurt him in
the wallet, like they're gonna or is the billfold like
my dad used to say. But I I just watched
him come off the mound last night and I thought,
I And I know you don't want to give up
on him and you don't want to throw but I
just wonder if deep down he thinks he's ever gonna
(07:23):
be the same guy again, because I don't know. And
when he starts questioning that, a guy who never seemingly
lacked confidence like that that we've talked about, that's a
little bit alarming to me.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
He will never be the same guy again. I can
answer that for him right now. He will never be
the same guy again. But he can be a different
version of that guy, the exact same guy, no, no,
not after the surgeries. But can he be a different
version as good? Yes he can, But he has to
(07:55):
learn that. That's what I'm telling you. That's the whole
problem here. Everything is compressed, there's no time, and every
time he goes out there, if he is questioning every
move he makes, it's only going to make it worse.
You know, when we have kids that learn how to
be on TV interns. I used to put him on
(08:15):
the set and I have somebody roll the prompter and
I tell him the exact same thing. It's cold copy.
You don't know what it is. I want you to
read it. And if you make a mistake, don't stop.
Keep going. Under no circumstances should you stop. And here's why,
Because if you are doing something, if you're reading the prompter,
(08:38):
if you're pitching, if you're a walk or Bueller, and
something goes awry, you make a mistake, you kick it.
Your initial inclination is to think about it. Damn. You know.
If you're reading a prompter, Damn, I missed that one. Okay,
when you do that, what happens next? You're going to
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miss the next one. You're gonna miss the next one
because you're worrying about the previous one. And the more
you worry about what you had just done and the
mistake you may have made, the worse it becomes. And
that's why we tried to train the kids just keep going,
do not stop under any circumstances. Develop that confidence. Understand
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it's okay, don't belabor a mistake, keep going. And with
Walker Buehler, who was openly admitting I don't really know
what's going on here. Just think about that one pitch. Damn,
I missed a little bit outside, you know, Okay, this one,
I'm not gonna miss boom right down the middle, you see.
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I think that's that's part of it as well, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And also if there was a guy too, and you
know that you could look at and go, that's somebody
who would know like that is somebody who you could
lean on and who's been through something similar. Wouldn't it
be Mark Pryor? Like people like people may not realize,
like Mark Pryor was one of the great prospects that
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we've ever seen. We're talking Steven Strasburg. We're talking I mean,
like you know, uh, Paul's skin's level like that. That's
the type of like prospect and level and trajectory he
was on and what they thought of him and where
do things go sideways? The injuries and he was never
able to get back to being the same pitcher and
the same player that he was. And I hope Walker
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Buehler looks at him and says, hey, you've been here.
What can I do? What do I need? And the
problem is, well, we need you to be great for
the postseason. I mean, like, if we're gonna be honest here,
like that's what we need because we don't know what
the hell we've got that we're gonna roll out there
when the playoffs start, and he just he doesn't have it.
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He doesn't have it right now. Maybe he gets it
back in the off season. But I just I looked
at a guy and in his face and his expression
as he left it, and I honestly felt bad for him,
because that's got to be a really crummy feeling to know. Man,
maybe I'm never going to be the same player I was,
and maybe I don't even know what the hell this
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new version is going to look like. But it's nothing
close to what I thought or was projected to be.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, we'll find out on another pitching note. What you
have in Yamamoto tonight? He is now back, and again
that's the big arm, that's the guy they need. He
in glass. Noow Yamamoto returns tonight. I don't think they
know what they're gonna get. They hope he's okay. He
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seems like he's better, he seems like he's paying free.
This is very big tonight, very very important to see
how he pitches.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I was okay. I heard Dave Assay on with Petrus
Some Money yesterday talking about Yamamoto and the way that
it was being discussed. They're looking at anywhere from two
to four innings of work for him. He's talked about
how he's still trying to adjust his you know, his
landing for like just the way it seemed like somebody
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who maybe probably needs another rehab start or maybe probably
needs to to continue to work down. But yet they're
bringing him up here now. And look, I don't want
to be doom and gloom, but this thing could go sideways,
like in a hurry, Like if he goes out tonight
and gets gas canned, then what like and I and
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I don't want to I don't want to swim in
the negative pool. I like to let you do that.
I want to be as positive as I can. But
this does this does feel like, you know, there's a
there's a lot of still concern and unanswered questions, and
they're like, all right, we're just gonna try it and
hope that it goes well. Like this is a massive
start for him to at least give them some sort
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of an idea what they're going to have when they
get to the post. This is excessive.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
See I look at it like this. Let's say he
goes out there tonight and, as you said, got gas canned.
To me, that's no harm, no foul, what Honest to god,
it's not a big deal. Here's what I want him
to do tonight. Get out of there with no pain
and be okay. That's kind of where we're at, Jonas.
(13:21):
I mean, if he goes out and gets lit, okay,
well he got lit. But how's he feel? How's your arm?
I'm good, I'm good. Okay, you can go again. Perfect.
That's all they need tonight. They need him to walk
off the mound and be okay. Then everything else will
fall into place. I don't think he needs as much
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ramp up time as Walker Bueller does, but he's just
got to be okay when they go. He'll go two
to four innings. Do they think he's okay? They don't
think he's stretched out. So, no matter what happened to
him tonight, if he walks off paying free, gets up
tomorrow feels okay, that's a win.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So basically, what you're saying is that when we get
to the postseason, right, If y'a Momoto's the starter, right
and goes four innings and gives up eight runs and
three of them are home runs and we're talking monster
shots off scoreboards and everything, and the Dodgers lose a
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critical playoff game, you'd be okay with that. As long
as he came off and said, I don't need nearly
as much ice as I did last game.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I would not. That is incorrect. That was a stretch,
and you.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Know it, okay, I mean it, just that was a stretch.
And you know you need results, like I understand, like
you want to know that you feel good, but you
do need like you do need some results here.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, but the results are not important tonight, and the
playoffs that are critical, the result is not important tonight. No,
he can't walk off every game pitching four innings and
giving up eight runs.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And but if you can't, if you can't get results
against the Cubs, how the here you get to get
results against Philly or I don't know, or whoever out
in San Diego? And I look, man, the Cubs aren't
very good. And you know two former Dodgers Michael Bush
and Cody Bellinger ate them alive last night. That's that's
also a problem. You know, by the way, Michael Bush,
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little dude Dodgers fans know, has quietly put together the
best defensive season for a first baseman in the league.
He's unbelievable and he's figuring it out at the plate,
Like that's that. We're gonna look at that deal and
go like that that could have helped, you know, like
maybe that would have you know, that would have, you know,
(15:46):
helped alleviate some of the issues we had on the
infield this year, Like it's you know, and then to
see Bellinger do what he's doing, you know, and then
have that big catch in the ninth inning, like, yeah,
it was it was a fun night for the exes.
Like the exit, it was like you run into your
and you're out and about and you realize, oh, like
I just kind of came in sweats and like a
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cutoff sleeve T shirt and she looks like a rocket ship. Oops,
she wins this outing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
All right, we'll give it away Dodger tickets. Jonas Hell. Yeah,
one pair each and every hour. So we'll give you
a cue to call during this first hour and you'll
have a chance to go see the Dodgers out at
the stadium when we come back. Jack Harris of The
Times joins us, we've been talking about pitching. He wrote,
if I was gonna win this hour, whether you like
it or not, you're gonna win those tickets and you're
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gonna go to the stadium. You know why we do that, Jonas?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Why is that.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Because we've lived to give. Yeah, that's who we are.
We care about people. You know, people do this and
they make it a job. I do it as a
community service.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Hey listen, my wife was at the Dodger game last night.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know time, No, she wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well, I mean, you know, you take in the atmosphere,
you know, a little toasty stick even at first pitch.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Let me say this, be honest. If you go to
a game, you've sent money to go to the game,
and they get blown out, that really annoys you. You're like,
why did I have to come to this game? Why
couldn't I go to the game where they won twelve
to one? Yeah? What am I sitting here like this?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
For? Well? But I would also say that, you know,
and for any mother's out there who she went with
her one of her best friends. My wife has a
three year old. Her friend has a five year old.
Sometimes you just need a night out, like you could go.
You could be at a construction site and you know,
you could just start gambling on who's going to be
the first one to tip over the crane like whatever.
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It is, like, you know, just something you needed to
break to get away. So it's like, hey, go and
have to go to the game, enjoy it, have a
good time, and she did. It's always fun.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
At the park. Just before we get Jack Harris on here,
let me just follow up with a question. Does your
wife go to many construction sites?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
God, I hope not.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Far. Let's bring on Jack Harris at the Times. Jack,
thanks for jumping on here. How are you.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I'm great. That was a great intro.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There you go, Well, you're talking about his wife going
to construction sites.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I don't know what's going on sometimes, you know, even
though it was not a great look for the Dodgers
and there's some concern after the fact, it's still a
fun night out of the ballpark and you know, a
little hot, a little bit warm even at first pitch,
but it does feel like we're past the hottest portion
of the year.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So I'll tell you after sitting in the one hundred
and three degree heat on Sunday ninety four. Never felt
so cool last night.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So there you go, there you go. All right, we're
going to get to your piece on pitching, which I
thought was brilliant. But let's just talk about what we
got in front of his first walker, Bueller Jonas and
I chopped it up in the first segment. Seemed like
a guy that was confused and is just really frustrated.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Your take, Yeah, I mean this is part of the
difficult process that comes with trying to come back from
a second career Tommy John surgery. The two starts before
last night, you know, he felt better with where his
delivery was at and said he was feeling more like himself.
And I actually think that, you know, last night he
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didn't pitch that much worse just based on the stuff
than the previous two. But the place where he's at
right now, you know, any little drop off the margin
prayer for him is so fine that he wasn't landing
his curveball as well. Last night, he wasn't as precise
with his fastball command. And you saw what happened, which is,
you know, he goes from a guy who was able
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to compete through you know, five innings and giving up
a couple of runs in his last two starts, to
suddenly giving up nine hits and a couple homers and
reverting back to the more inconsistent version of him that
we saw earlier this year, so they could use him. Obviously,
with the state of the pitching, I think there's still
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enough time and enough signs that, you know, he's probably
a little bit closer to being a more competitive version
of himself than he's been for a lot of the year.
But at the same time, you know, performance is what
matters most right now, and even with some of the
strides he's made in recent weeks, he's still in a
place where if he's a little bit off, he's susceptible
to something like you saw last night.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Is there confidence in him getting back to somebody that
can rely on and rely on in the postseason or
is this much like other situations from the pitching staff standpoint,
Dave Roberts, still trying to figure something out here down
the final few games.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, probably more to the latter, Like you're not going
to be seeing Walker Dealer most likely pitching six or
seven innings in playoff games, I think with the state
of the pitching staff, unless they get a lot of
injury luck these last couple of weeks, he's probably going
to be needed to be some part of the October
pitching plan. What that looks like, you know, they still
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have to figure out that out these last couple of weeks. Again,
I think when in terms of just the stuff, like,
it's good enough that when he's clicking and in sync
and pitching well that you know, I think it's it's
not out of the realm of possibility. He could give you,
you know, four or five competitive innings in a playoff game,
but it's also not out of the realm of possibility,
and maybe even more likely that he struggles in a
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postseason environment, especially if they're facing a good lineup you
know that can take advantage of of some of his
mistake pitches. So again, with where they're at, he's one
of the guys that I think has become pretty important,
and if he's pitching well by the time they get
to the playoffs, it can make a big difference. But
that's really far from a guarantee right now, and it's
just another one of these question marks that they're facing
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is they try to figure out what things are going
to look like once they get to October.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Jack I said with Yamamoto tonight, here's what you need.
Don't have any pain in your arm tomorrow. Nothing else matters.
Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's probably not far off the truth. I think you
know that they would like to see him come back,
be able to hold his stuff, even through what's probably
only going to be like a three or four inning
start at the most. So how he looks is important.
But yeah, I think that the biggest thing right now
for him and basically everybody else on the staff is
just getting through these starts healthy, trying to find some
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consistency and momentum over the final couple of weeks of
the season. He's another guy that you know, of all
the injury question marks they have right now, he's probably
the safest bet to be built up and healthy by
the time they get to October. But again, that's like
you said, that's only if he gets through a start
tonight and a couple more starts these last couple of
weeks feeling good and feeling healthy and not feeling pain
in his shoulder again. And that's something that you're only
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going to find out as he goes through this process,
you know, on top of the performance aspect and the
stuff and the rest of it all.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Right, if you had to pick right now, what does
the starting rotation look like for the Dodgers in the playoffs? Like?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Who feels pretty confident?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I feel pretty confident about Jack Clarity being at the
top of the rotation most likely. I think that again,
barring another injury set back, Yamamoto will be probably the
number two guy. And then it's up to is Tyler
Glass now going to be built up and ready to
make true starts by the time you get to the
NLDS and Gavin Stone make what would be probably a
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somewhat miraculous recovery from this shoulder injury that has his
status very much in doubt as it pertains to October.
So after Clarity and Yamamoto, right now, you're looking at
Walker Dealer, You're looking at Bobby Miller and Land and
Knack and which of those guys looks best over the
final stretch of the season. Here you're looking at is
Clayton Kershaw going to be able to come back from
this toe injury and make a couple of starts before
(23:35):
the end of the season and look a little bit
better than he did at times, and the seven starts
he did make before getting hurt. So I think the
best case scenario right now, at least for the NLDS,
is having Jack Clarity and Yoshinobu Yamamoto built up and
pitching well by the time you get there, which in
a five game series would mean a lot for the Dodgers, especially,
you know, when you look back at the way last
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year win a couple of these past postseasons where where
they probably didn't even have that kind of caliber of
pitching to rely on. But after that, again, there's a
lot of question marks and a lot of opportunities for
guys who who pitch well down the stretch here to
give themselves a bigger role by the time the team
gets to the postseason.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's kind of wild to think about that the guy
that they're depending on being their Game one starter in
the postseason was a guy they acquired with like eleven
seconds left before the trade deadline. Like, there's no way
they envision this is what Jack Flaerty's role is going
to be.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No, probably not this role, probably not being you know,
your most reliable for the starting pitcher by the time
you get to the playoffs. But you know, it's it
is really fair to think about how much worse off
this team would be right now on the mound if
they didn't get that deal done, which, like you said,
did come down to the last minutes of the deadline
and was not a guarantee to get done basically until
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the buzzer. So, you know, having him and the way
he's pitched for them since coming over, the way he's
pitched all year, going back to how he started the
season with Detroit, I think is a really important thing,
especially for that first round of the playoffs when the
injury questions are going to be most pressing. And yeah,
this is a very different looking rotation with him helping
anchor it than it would have been had they not
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landed him or some other starter at the deadline.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Jack Harris with us, Okay, let's get to the piece
you wrote about pitching Dodger pitching the injuries, people trying
to throw the ball just to tick faster and the
doing that they're putting added stress on their body when
it's all said and done, and you looked at the
number of injuries Dodger pitchers have suffered and how they've
suffered the injuries. What conclusion did you draw.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Jack, Yeah, I mean this is a really complicated and
difficult question to answer, and it is one, as the
Dodgers pointed out, that is affecting the industry at large,
not only other MLB teams, but all the way down
to the youth levels, Like this is a problem that
the entire sport is trying to grapple with, which is,
you know, baseball's current moment, it's never been easier or
(26:02):
more effective for pictures and teams to develop stuff to
add velocity to pictures to get them throwing harder and
better than you know, past generations of pictures probably would
have been able to. The challenge is that when you
talk to medical experts about this problem in large samples,
when velocity goes up, so does the risk of injury. Now,
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velocity alone doesn't cause injuries. It's like you said, it's
when you are a pitcher and you're trying to throw harder,
you are opening yourself up to potentially putting more stress
on your elbow or more stress on your shoulder, and
doing things that you know might not seem wrong might not,
you know, you might not be able to pinpoint the
exact root cause. But when you see velocity goes go up,
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injuries go up with it. And as it pertains to
the Dodgers, you know, they've been probably as good as
anybody in baseball the last decade or so at figuring
out how to make pictures better and how to get
them to throw harder, and how to get them to
throw with more or spin and things like that. They've
done really well at that. That's why they've had so
many good, young, promising young pitchers come through their system
and have some success in the big leagues and show
(27:09):
some promise for the future. But again, I think it
hits at this issue that medical experts point to. Is
not the only problem or the only reason that injuries
are up for pictures, but is this central one is
the most difficult to figure out. And for a team
like the Dodgers, the challenges, you know, how do we
continue to help pitchers get better and develop stuff and
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do all the things we want them to do while
trying to mitigate the injury risk that is that is
hitting them harder than any other team. And the Majors
has experience and it's something that you know, they said
they're going to look into a lot more this winter
that they don't have a clear answer on right now.
But the reality is being able to develop stuff and
have a lot of good, young, promising pitchers only helps
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if they're healthy and on the mound and growing as
you know, big league players. And the problem the Dodgers
run into in recent years is, you know, they've thought
that they would have a lot of young depth to
count on and some young pictures that would help kind
of anchor the rotation and take over in frontline roles.
And it said guys have gotten hurt. Dustin May is
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out hurt, Tony Anklin is out hurt. This year, you
have Emmit Chan and River Ryan and Gavin Stone now
guys who probably would have been pretty important contributors in
October who don't look like they're going to be able
to because of the amount of injuries that this team
has dealt with. So again, it's not a problem that
is specific to the Dodgers or unique to the Dodgers,
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but it is one that is impacting them a lot
more than it's impacting other teams, and that doesn't have
a really clear answer. You know, to try to fix.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Is there any going back? Like, and I'm not saying, well, listen,
let's just you know, roll back and bring back. You know,
have everybody throw like Kyle Hendrix was throwing last night,
or Jamie Moyer some of these other like soft tossing
pictures from years gone by. Is there a thought that
maybe we dial it down a little bit and just
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try and master the strike zone? Like what is it
thinking on how to fix and remedy the situation If
you've got some guys that are throwing one hundred and
five like we saw, you know, a couple of weeks
ago against the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, I mean the important thing to remember is like
some guys can't handle it, either because their mechanics are
that clean and efficient or just they have the physical
build to be able to do it. And then there's
guys that don't throw very hard who still get hurt.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
One of the guys I quoted in the story Glenn Fleisig,
who is the director of Biomechanics at the American Medical
Sports Institute and helps Major League Baseball research pitching injuries.
You know, he pointed to the idea that teams already
use things like these super slow moo biomechanical cameras to
help pitchers, you know, develop stuff right, to show them
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ways in their delivery that they can get a little
more velo, or they can be a little bit more consistent,
or they can get more spin on a pitch, and
things like that that you know on his mind, he
thinks you can use that stuff to potentially also maybe
try to identify root causes for injuries. You know, maybe
a picture you can start to figure out, Okay, this
guy the way he's throwing. Yeah, he's throwing harder, but
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his mechanics are putting him in a position where he
might get hurt. So is there a way that we
can tweak his mechanics to where his stuff is still
really good and he still throws hard, but he's doing
it in a way that better protects his arm from
a potential future injury. You know, that's kind of that's
the ideal answer, I suppose. But at the same time,
if there was a club that you would have figured
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could have figured this out by now, it would have
been the Dodgers, because they are so ahead of the
curve on these kinds of things, and because they do
have the kind of staff both at the major league
and minor league level that understands, you know, how to
incorporate that kind of data and that kind of technology,
and you know, incorporates people from across the organization and
evaluating prospects, you know, from the medical side, to the
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player performance side, the training staff side. And yet they're
the team that is dealing with this most head on,
that's had the most pitchers go on the IL for
the last four years, that's had almost as many Tommy
John surgeries, is at the major league level as any
other big league clubs. So this is where the complicated
part of the question becomes, because I don't think that
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you're going to get very far telling teams or individual
pitchers that the answers to just throw harder and not
maximize your skill set and not make yourself as good
as you can, because at the end of the day,
pitchers are going to want to do that because they
know that that's their best path to a potential big
league future. Teams are going to do that because they
want their pitchers, you know, throwing the best stuff possible.
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But at some point, you know, you have to also
figure out a way to keep them healthy, and that's
something that again the Dodgers have said they're going to
try to look at a lot more in depth. This
winner that the league and teams around the league are
trying to figure out on their own. But it continues
to be a vexting problem, and the Dodgers have become
kind of like example a of that where you know,
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it's great that you can develop stuff, but it has
diminishing returns if guys aren't staying healthy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Jack, great job, wonderful job on that piece. Thanks for
coming on today.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Jack, Yeah, appreciate it. Guys.
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Today Farradi. Okay, before we get to this, let's approach
it thusly. Okay, Let's just talk about what happened, all right.
Let's just talk about what happened before anybody gets upset
about what happened. Let's try to be factual about it,
all right, all right, and then Nick, you want to
(34:07):
get upset, get upset. But I think the problem is
you say two words and all of a sudden people
are irritated. Let's just talk about the facts of the
Tyreek Hill case. All right. We have audio now, some
bodycam video was released today, so let's talk about it.
He's going to the game Sunday, and you stop me
(34:29):
when I'm wrong, Okay, Jonas, Okay, He's going to the
game Sunday. The police pull him over for speeding. Am
I good? So far?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, they pull him over for speeding. Of course, he's
playing for the Dolphins. The game is in Miami. They
pull him over for speeding. The police approach and they
tell him roll down your window, which is standard operating
procedure in one of those stops. Please roll down your
window for two reasons. First, we want to see you
(35:04):
and honestly, we want to see your hands. Yes, we
need to know where your hands are. Right, if you've
ever been pulled over, what do they tell you to
put your hands out the window? We need to see
your hands. So they walk up, they tell him to
roll down the window, and he rolled it down. They
are talking to him and also understand that those windows
(35:26):
are really tinted, so it's going to probably be difficult
if the window is not rolled down for you standing
on the outside of the vehicle to have a clear
view of what's going on inside the vehicle, Am I right?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So far fair enough?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Okay, They ask him to roll down the window, he does,
He then rolls the window back up. Yeah, that's where
things kind of went sideways. So far, so good.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, And also there was this little portion where before
that he told the officer don't knock on my window
like that, which kind of put us in the uh
Already we're starting off, you know, on a little bit
of a sour note in the exchange with the police there,
all right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So that's what happened. Now we have audio from the
body cam of the officer at the car. Let's listen
to it. He don't knock on my window?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Let yeah, don't knock?
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Why do you knock on my wonder?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Why do you want to let that know? Day what?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
No knock on my wonder?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
No knock on my window light?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Why you have it up? I do not to let
you know here.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Don't talk to me in my ticket brus so I
can go.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm gonna play. Hey, you know what you gotta do?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Keep it down? Hey, keep your window down?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
What?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Hey, keep your window down?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Tell me what?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Keep your window down. I'm gonna get you out of
the car, I said. Matter, if I get out of
the car, get out of the park, we'll break up
for get get out of the car. Hope to get out,
Get out of the car right now. We're not playing
this game. Get out, get it out, get.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Out, get off, get out. What part of.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Hey, d getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I'm getting arrested. I'm getting arrested. Dr Get up. When
we tell you to do something, you do it. You understand,
you understand now what you want.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
But when we tell you I'm getting out late.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
All right, man, thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
What's gonna do, a bro, it isnt good?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Hey? All right, By the way, you just heard Fred
Rogan's recent arrest courtesy here on a.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, that was what was ut me. And he's talking
about Drew. He's talking to a agent through Rosenhaus. Okay,
so that's what happened. They asked him first, Jonas, you
were accurate, don't knock on my window. So that kind
of started things going a bit sideways. Yes, Then they
asked him to roll down your window, and that didn't work.
(38:20):
So then they basically yanked him out of the car. Yeah, okay,
now to me watching it, to me watching it, yeah,
he really didn't comply with what their request was initially.
And again, roll down your window so we can see
your hands. But but and I have friends that are
(38:44):
law enforcement. My late father in law and brother in
law were lapd But once that door opened, I thought
that law enforcement probably took that a little too far,
yanking him out, putting him down, coughing him, making him
(39:09):
sit down again. I thought, honestly, at that point they
had gone too far. You didn't need to yank him
out of the car like that. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I know that it's not popular. You've got to take
one side or the other. Like this is the society
we live in now, and there's no agree to disagree.
It's one side or the other. And if you're not
on my side, you're this and it's name calling and
it's all that, and it's you know, it feels like
you know politics. Tyreek Hill handled it poorly, and so
did the police period, Like if they knock on your
(39:46):
you don't tell a cop multiple times, don't knock on
my window like that, like you like already you're starting
off on the wrong foot, like you've committed a traffic
violation whatever it is, speeding, whatever the case may be.
But you already took that approach when there was an engagement,
Like those were the first words spoken. It was Tyreek
Hill saying, don't ever knock on my window like that
(40:09):
and then rolls the window back up. So he started
things off poorly with the exchange. The cop didn't probably
need to throw him down on his face, cuff him,
put a knee in his back, detain other Dolphins players
that showed up to the scene. The cop was clearly irritated,
like h like it is Okay to just acknowledge not
(40:32):
a great moment for either side, but it's like if
you try, like once this comes up, now you've got
people that want to run with all this, And Colin
Kaepernick was right, it's like, okay, hold on a second,
like like hold on, like like can we not go there?
Like why don't we just all take a step back
and recognize the fact that there were two people involved,
(40:54):
or you know, two sides of this story, and either
side might have a complain against the FED. But the
fact of the matter is when you start off in
exchange the way you did, in a combative tone and
you're dismissive to the cop, the CoP's going to take
that personally. And the cop took it a little too
personally and threw him down on his face. And I
(41:16):
know nobody wants to bring up these discussions, but man,
you don't know what that cop was dealing with prior
to that. You don't know what his stopped that took
place prior to that was he was probably maybe already agitated,
already frustrated, and then that happened. He needed to handle
it better, but so did Tyreek Hill and this whole
like the other part of this that people I think
(41:37):
that rubs people the wrong way is when you've got
Tyreek Hill and the Dolphins coming out and speaking about, well,
you know, it's not right. We need to make a change,
We need to somebody might want to go digging through
Tyreek Hill's history and figure out that maybe that's not
the guy to talk about the way you act and
(41:58):
the way you conduct yourself based on the stuff and
complaints and other things that have been filed against him
over the course of his career, whether it was, you know,
the stuff with his pregnant girlfriend at the time in college,
whether it was you know, allegedly abusing his son. Like,
there's all sorts of stuff that's out there on Tyreek Hill.
So it's like, I know, nobody wants to take this approach.
(42:21):
They want to pick one side or the other and
they just want to dig their feet in. No. No, listen,
both sides could have been better. Tyreek Hill included. Let's
not just all of a sudden throw barbes at the
police just because that's where we were taking this because
we want to rehash our Colin Kaepernick takes guys.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
I think it's also a note that the cop that
threw him down. Wasn't the cop that was knocking on
the door. That was somebody else who was overhearing the
conversation and seemed to be of this no nonsense approach.
That's also the guy that pushed him down when Tyreek
was saying, hey, I just had knee surgery. That's what
everyone is concluding. Is the cop that got sent home
(43:00):
on administrative leave. The guy who initially knocked on the window.
He seemed to be handling it in an appropriate fashion.
It's the guy who pulled him out of the car
before Tyreek he even't really had much time to get
out himself. That I think is the guy everyone's talking about.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, it's just like both sides could have handled it
way better. Like like, I mean, I don't know when
the last time you've been pulled over. I could I
couldn't imagine a cop pulling me over and being like,
don't knock on my window like that multiple times? Like wait,
what how do you think that's gonna go? And by
the way, if you are running late and you're going
(43:35):
to a game, wouldn't you want to like make it
as fast as possible, Like I've been pulled over driving
into the studio, like, I don't have the time to
argue about how fast I was really going or what
the one on one, you know, the flow of traffic
was like at the time, I just I have to
cooperate so I can get in to do my job.
And he didn't cooperate from the jump.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Well, lowering the window and then putting it back up,
that's no negotiable.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I don't care who you are.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
If you have a tinted window that has to stay down,
you can't. That's protocol.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
But yeah, yeah, that's what I said. He rolled up
the window, but then that was his error. And the
other part of it was I don't know if if
the cop had to pull him out and shove him
out of the ground. Jonas, You're right, there are two sides.
And what we'll do is when we come back, when
(44:29):
Vinnie is here, we'll hear Tyreek Hill's comments. All right,
when we come back, Vinnie bonsignor NFL Insider will join
us and we'll let you hear what Tyreek Hill had
to say.
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