September 10, 2024 • 33 mins
Roggin and Rodney (Jonas Knox) talk with Vinny Bonsignore on the Raiders, Chargers and Rams + Tyreeke and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thought.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We continue on Fred Rogan and Jonas Knxen today for
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you a cue to call. We just lived a gimp.
That's who we are, that's what we do.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Jonas better me and selfish, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Unusual for using this.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, okay, let's bring on our NFL insider, Vinnie bon
signor Vinnie Welcome to the show today.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Thank you for having me. What an opening weekend football
games culminating last night with the forty nine Ers surgically
taking apart the Jets. It was quite a weekend, enlightening weekend, all.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right, well, and an enlightening situation before the game in
Miami with Tyreek Hill. Here's what we're gonna do. We're
gonna play. We'll start with what we played in the
last segment for people just jumping on now, Tyreek Hill
being pulled over before the game in Miami. We have
the bodycam audio, Uh from the stop to set the stage.
(01:05):
Tyreek Kill was speeding. Officers pulled him over. Uh, they
asked him and you will hear in this that the
first thing. They tapped on his window, and you hear
him say, don't tap on my window. So that kind
of started things in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
They asked him to roll down the window, then he
rolled it back up. Then they told him to roll
it down, open the door. Then they yanked him out
of the car. So if you didn't hear it, let's
play that again and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Hey, don't knock on my window.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Let yeah, don't knock.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Why do you have your seat?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Don't knock on my window?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Why do you have your seat? Be my one to
let that know. Day what No knock on my winder light?
Why you hur up?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
No knock on my window light?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Way you h it up?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I do not to let you know I'm here.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Don't knock nowhere and talk to me in my ticket
brush so I can go. I'm gonna play gay. Do
what you gotta do.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
Keep it down, Hey, keep your window down?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
What?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Hey, keep your window down.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'll tell me what. Keep your window down.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I'm gonna get you out of the car, I said.
Matter if I get out of the car, get out
of the far let me break up. Get out of
the car, hopefully get out, get out of the car
right now, we're not playing this game.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Get out, get it.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Up, get out, get off, get out. We'll put the
products you want. Hey, hey, dn't getting arrested. I'm getting arrested.
I'm getting arrested, Drokes, I'm getting out, friend.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Down twe When we tell you to do something, you
do it. You understand now, you understand now what you want.
But when we tell you you're I'm getting out late?
Too late? All right, bronk Brad, what's gonna do?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It is good?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Hey, Okay, Jonas and I chopped that up last segment. Vinnie,
you hear that, And what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Just write him his ticket and let him be on
his way. I don't understand why anything else else had
to escalate beyond that, you know, and so you know,
I know that. Could it have been handled better, you know,
on on on Tyreek's part, by you know, adhering to
what to what the officers were saying. Maybe, but he's
(03:28):
under he's no under no obligation right there. They're not.
They don't have all the absolute power, you know, write
him his ticket, knock on his window. When when you
have the ticket, give it to him and let him
be on his way. That's all that he is responsible
for doing. He doesn't have to do everything that you
say that he has to do, And by no means
(03:48):
or any stretch of the imagination should not have escalated
to the point that it escalated to.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I mean, it felt like he could have also not
been I'm bad right from the jump, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Maybe maybe, but that still doesn't give them the right
to do what they didn't. He didn't want to roll
down his window. I don't understand why he has to
roll down the window just because they just give me
my ticket. I was wrong, I was. You got me
for whatever it was that you got me, write my ticket,
and then I'll be on my way. That's That's really
the only thing that he's responsible, you know, for doing.
(04:25):
Would I have had a a a little bit differently
if I was him, Probably, Yeah, for sure I would have.
But that doesn't mean that you get dragged out of
your car for something like that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Now, No, you're one hundred percent right about that. You're
one hundred percent right, and Jonas and I both agree
with that. But when they ask you to roll down
your window, they're doing it so they can see your hands.
And those windows were really tinted. And if there's this
traffic stop, roll down your window. We need to see
your hands. I think that standard procedure.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So if he rolls it back.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Up, they're thinking, why you're rolling your window up, we
can't see your hands. And I think that's where everything
you know, and Jonas said it, I thought put it
really well last hour. Uh you know, you're on one
side of the other. And the truth of the matter
is everybody made mistakes here. I think the police completely overreacted.
(05:19):
There was no reason to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Do that none.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
On the other hand, he really didn't help himself much
because if he had rolled down that window and looked
at them and said, all right, hey, I'm sorry, I'm speeding,
but I got to get into the game. Can you
just give me the ticket now, it might have gone differently. Now,
before we go any further, let's hear from Tyreek Hill
(05:43):
on CNN.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
You know what, when the officer came up and knocked
on my window, I let my window down, cooperated, gave
him my ID, and then I immediately let up my window,
and then after that I let back up my window
and then he came back to the window. I was like,
let your window down, now, let your window down now,
and then.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I let it down.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's when he said, if you.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Don't let your winder down, I'm I'm gonna snatch you
out the car. I was like, sir, my window is down,
Like what do you want. I'm not trying to cause
a scene because a if I let my window down,
like people walking by, driving by, they gonna notice that
it's me and they gonna start taking pictures. And I like, like,
I didn't want to create a scene at all, Like
I just really wanted to get the ticket and then
just go on about my way and then just you know,
(06:27):
just have a great Sunday.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, does that seem accurate to everyone here? Because
I don't think he rolled his window down again. In fact,
when he cracked it, he said, don't tell me what
to do. Yeah, I look, both sides could have handled
it better. The cop was way too aggressive and pinning
him down on his face, putting his knee in his
(06:50):
back that was excessive. Didn't need to happen. They wrong,
They got over zealous. On hundred percent. Tyreek Hill also
did not handle it correctly when they pulled him over.
And if he's talking about I don't want to draw
attention to myself, you know. I mean he's driving around
in the batmobile, you know, going sixty miles an hour
trying to get to a game, Like it's of course
you're going to draw attention. He just didn't cooperate, and
(07:12):
that's like, to me, it's pretty cut and dry. But
now it's veered off into this conversation about and it
completely dismisses the fact that when you look at Tyreek
Hill's career and Vinnie, I don't know how you feel
about this, but I think a lot of people just
assume that when he left Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City,
he was just going to slow down. And you could
argue he's become a better player, Like it's unbelievable the
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career he's put together.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
On the field.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, and he's really in a kind of a system
there in Miami that that suits exactly what He's the
perfect weapon that for that offense. So no no questions
about that. And yes, he could have definitely done some
different things and handled things a little bit better. But
you know, there's you know, there's also a chrack record
(07:58):
of even when you do do the right thing, bad
things can happen, so and that's in the back of
everybody's mind. And I think that it's a tough one.
It's a tough situation, but it should have never gotten
to the point that it ultimately got to. And I
think that there's going to be some major repercussions for
those police officers allowing it to get to that point.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, the guy, the guy made a mistake and I
don't even know if you want to call it that,
but he did that. That was unnecessary. Agree, a million percent,
completely unnecessary. But then again, as we said, it's not
like Tyreek helped himself much there, and uh right, Yeah,
there are two sides to this. Now, Benny, if Tyreek
(08:43):
Hill complies and they drag him out of the car
and do the exact same thing, it's a different conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But yeah, I totally agree. One thing I'll say though, too,
is that you know, sometimes, you know, even when you
do do the right thing, and maybe Tyrek was feeling this,
you know, there's a little bit attitude sometimes, you know,
in the in the voice of the police officer, like
like I've you know, there are situations that occur where
(09:12):
you can tell that maybe the police officers trying to
get a little trying to get a little reaction out
as well. Do you understand what I'm saying, Like, like,
sometimes their approach can sometimes not dictate, but you know,
leave that in one direction or the other. And if
there's aggressive you know, aggressiveness or attitude you know from
(09:35):
from in the voice of the police officer, you know,
that could change the direction of of how that whole
thing is going to go. And we've seen that as
well before, and so you know, it's it's definitely a
tough one. I see your point without question, because I
would have handled a little bit differently. My dad always
told me yes or no, sir that And that's just
how you have to be with police officers because you
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never know which kind of a police officer you're going
to get. There's good people and bad people in this world.
There's there's people that do their jobs well and there's
people that do their jobs not so well. And I
think we all know what we're talking about. And you,
as a citizen or somebody that's getting pulled over, have
no idea which one what kind you're going to get.
So the safest thing that you could do for yourself
(10:16):
is just comply with the yes sir, no sir, no attitude,
no base in your voice, you know, just just be
like that. That's how I was always taught. But there's people,
you know, there there's there's there's there's a population out
there that even when they do the right thing, and
even when they do yes or no sir, sometimes things
happen and uh and and there's a track the history
(10:39):
of that, and so you can see why, you know,
some people like, hey, even when I do do that,
it doesn't always go right. So what am I supposed
to do in those situations? Knowing that that has happened
as well?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, Benny, you did mention on the football field,
it was a fun first weekend in the NFL. I
got to ask you. That Sunday night game was a
fun one. But my takeaway from that was that's a
bad loss for the Rams because it felt like they
had an opportunity to win that game. If Matt Stafford
completes that pass on third down to Cooper Cup who
(11:11):
had a monster game. He was unbelievable on Sunday night.
To me, they ice that game. They win that game
on the road, and now not only are they dealing
with the loss on the field to the team that
ended their season last year. But now you've got the
injuries that have mounted up Pooka Nakua who reaggravated the
knee issues on the offensive line. It feels like that
was a problematic loss for the Rams.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, you know, I agree, because, like you said, they
had a chance to win that in spite of the
injuries and where they are, you know, health wise, And
you don't want, if you're the Rams, to look back
at that particular game as, oh my gosh, that's the one.
You know, had we won that things would be different
and it's going to get a little bit tougher because
they're going to be dealing with these injuries, especially to Pooka.
(11:54):
On the other hand, you could also say that's how
close we were, even though we were down you know,
a few players, a few key players. What's gonna what's
that game going to look like if we have to
run into the Detroit Lions again and now we're fully healthy,
you know, uh, the confidence that you get just from
from competing with the Lions to the extent that you
(12:15):
did on the road. I've been to Detroit. It's a
Hornets nest. Now that place gets rebbed the heck up.
And so the Raiders, the Rams went into Detroit and
and and competed even though they were down a few players.
So that's got to give them a little bit of
confidence as well. But it is, it could be, it
could be a hurtful loss. It's it's such a long
season that that, you know, it remains to be seen
(12:36):
if that's gonna if that if that's going to be
a loss that really hurts them, or if it was
just more of a frustrating loss than a hurtful loss.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And those are Fred's Detroit Lions, by the way.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know what, I'll claim I don't care, I'll them.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Now, you'll claim them, will claim him Now the last
thirty years he didn't know.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I've always claimed.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
They didn't give him any reasons. Now they earned his
respect and trust.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But you know what I take away from that game is,
and you and I had kicked this around in the past,
they've got to change that overtime role, Vinnie and during
the regular season.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I mean, that was awful.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, And it's got to be so frustrating if you're
Sean mcvain, your Matthew Stafford and your Cooper Cup and
you're watching the Lions just just kind of run it
down the defense to throw not kind of that's exactly
what they did, knowing that, you know, as each eight yard,
twelve yard, ten yard run gets broken off, your chances start,
you know, diminishing and diminishing, diminishing not only of not
(13:33):
just of winning the game, but just of even getting
the ball back to give yourself a chance, a chance
to win. I don't understand why. I mean, it feels
like the NFL keeps dancing around this thing. You know,
they keep just you know, I go a little bit
further and a little bit very well, if if they
score a touchdown, then as sudden depth overtime. But if
it's a field goal, then we let you you know,
the other team get just let each side, you know,
(13:55):
get possession of the ball at least one time, and
then once each team regardless of what happens if both teams,
if neither team scores, or if both teams score touchdowns,
at that point, the next possession becomes the you know,
whoever scores next, it becomes sudden depth from that point on,
but at least give both teams an opportunity. That's what
(14:16):
happens in baseball, that's what happens in basketball, every other
sport for that matter, allows each team to play offense
and to play defense in the extra innings or in overtime.
I don't understand why the NFL keeps doing things to
limit that. They've gone as far as they feel like,
you know, they've gone pretty far on that. Just go
(14:37):
the full length and let both teams get a chance
to possess the ball in overtime and then all bets
are off after that.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
On the subject of the Chargers and the Raiders over
the weekend, which was, you know, kind of an ugly
performance for the Raiders, but on the flip side of that,
best rushing performance by a Chargers back since Week five
of twenty twenty two. And I think it was you
that made the point when they decide did in LA
as far as the Chargers go to move on from
Keenan Allen to move on for Mike Williams, like, well,
(15:05):
who's Justin Herbert going to throw to? And it was like, no,
Harva's here, Like it's gonna look different than it has.
Is that what we can expect moving forward?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah? And by the way that was done on ten
carries for JK. Dobbins was one hundred and thirty some
odd yards on ten carries. Two of course were for
one hundred yards sixty and forty you know, to put
in both cases to help put that game away. And
here's the beautiful part for the Chargers is I mean
watching Justin Herbert, he was obviously there was some rust
(15:35):
involved with him, and it's it's hard to imagine that
he's fully healthy right now. So I mean, I don't
think you ran the ball at all on Sunday against
the Raiders, so there were some protection, you know, for him,
and they were still they were still able to win
a football game with him throwing for what about it
but buck thirty or so not much at all. And
(15:56):
he certainly wasn't the mobile Justin Herbert that we've seen.
What a feather in their cap to still be able
to win a game getting that production from Justin Herbert,
because what have we always talked about with Justin Herbert?
Everything has been has had to be on his shoulders.
If he wasn't thrown for big numbers and doing big things, Really,
the Chargers had no chance on Sunday. They showed, yeah,
(16:18):
we can win with you playing this way, and part
of him playing that way is I feel anyway, there's
still Russ and there's probably still some lingering effects from
the foot. What happens now when he starts getting further
and further beyond that foot injury and shakes off more
and more of that Russ and he becomes Justin Herbert,
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the Justin Herbert that we know that he is. And oh,
by the way, in the meantime, they built this great
running game foundation and also a pretty darn good defense.
You know, the last time I saw the Chargers defense,
they were giving up sixty three points. I know a
couple of one of those was a defensive touchdown by
the Raiders, but they were getting pushed around by the
Raiders in that game last year at a Llegiance Stadium.
(17:00):
If if what they showed on Sunny now, granted, the
Raiders are a limited offense, so you have to account
for that, but that was a much better Chargers defense
and we've seen in a long time. So if you
throw that component into it as well, then the tide
is turning with the Chargers in Los Angeles, because if
you could get Justin back to being Justin and also
have a running game to compliment compliment him, and what
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I think is going to be a really darn good
offensive line. Joe al is a beast. He's going to
be a problem for years to come for a lot
of teams. And he basically shut out Max Crosby in
there in their head to head battles, which is a
hard thing to do. I've seen Max Crosby just torment,
you know, veteran offensive tackles, let alone rookie offensive tackles,
and he really had no answer for Joe All in
(17:43):
that game. So so these are it's the sees are
being planned. Let's put it that way for for what
this Chargers team is going to be and what Justin
Herbert can expect in terms of the complimentary nature now
of his supporting cast, which hasn't always been there in
the past for him.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, that said, we can toot the horde of the Chargers.
Raiders look pretty bad, man, I mean offensively, they just
look awful, to be honest with you. So how good
are the Chargers if the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Were not that good?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, And you know, I'll say that the Raiders defense
is pretty darn good and you know, definitely the Chargers
gass him for those two long runs, and the Raiders
are kind of kicking themselves because if you watch it
on film, those two mental mistakes by by their linebackers
that really helped contribute to that. But nevertheless, they were
able to do that and figure out a way against
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what is probably going to be a top ten defense
in the NFL. And that again was with you know,
kind of a Justin Herbert light or Justin Herbert with
one hand tied behind his back. They were still able
to find a way against a really good defense. And
again I think that modes well now defensively against the
Raiders' offense. You know, we'll have to see the Chargers
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against an actual functioning, you know, offense spread. I know
you remember this, but this offense to me, outside of
the fact that they do actually have some really good
weapons and DeVante Adams and you know, Jacoby Myers and
Rock Bowers, but outside of that, when you take that
kind of element away, this offense, when I was watching
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it in training camp, it reminded me of that Rams
offense in twenty sixteen, where it was just so bad
before Sean mcday got there, before Jared Goff became Jared Goff.
That's what it kind of reminds me of. There was
no pizzazz during training camp. There were no big plays
being made during training camp. And part of that, I
think is the offensive line is still kind of a
work in progress and they don't really have a good quarterback.
(19:36):
They have two basically backup quarterbacks, which when we started
twenty sixteen with the Rams, it was Case Keenum was
the starting quarterback, and we all kind of know what
Case Keenum is. No disrespect to him, He's had a
fine career as a backup quarterback. But to me, that's
what Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell are, and that's going
to make it really tough for this Raiders offense to
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do anything on a consistent basis. They'll win in the
share games because that defense is that good and they'll
be able to piece it together from time to time offensively,
but the question is how many times can they do
that on a week to week basis and is it
enough to help maybe get them into a playoff picture.
I'm really dubious about that. We may be looking at,
you know, the ceiling of a seven to eight win
(20:19):
team here in Las Vegas for the.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Raiders, Vinny, did you have an issue with Antonio Peers
punting the ball in that situation in the fourth? There
were seven minutes in change left, They're in Charger territory,
it's a fourth and one. He decides to pin him
back and it worked. I mean, they got the ball
at the eight and then they got Gash for that
big run. Like I know that there were some people
given to the sidey, but.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Can I answer that I have an issue with it?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But go ahead, Vinnie, I one thousand percent have an
issue with it. And he kind of he got spooked
a little bit because earlier in the game they did
get stopped on a second, third and fourth down shortyarded run.
You know, so they didn't he didn't have a whole
lot of confidence that they were going to be able
to get that one yard based on what happened earlier
in the game. But nevertheless, you can't you can't coach
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that way. And I understand his thought process and in
a way, as he said, and and Jonah, you just
you just said it as well. You know, they they
got what they wanted. They pinned them down at the
eight yard line. Now, you're counting on your defense to
to force them to punt and get a shorter field
after that. But but the thing is they had been
they had been so infrequent for the Raiders getting over
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to the charger side of the field, let alone getting
in the red zone. They'd only been to the red
zone one time, and it was just one play in
the red zone. So my thought process was, when do
you think you're ever going to get back there again?
This is your best chance right now, You're already there.
You just need one yard, whether it's and and and
everyone's like, well, you know, he didn't have confidence to
get that one yard in the running game. He also
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didn't have confidence that the passing game was going to
be I mean, can't you come up with a three
yard throw past the past the chains to to you know,
keep it moving. But he just did not have in
his team to do that. But even even with that
lack of confidence, to me, you have to roll the
dice right there, because if you believe that your defense
is going to get the job done pitting him down
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and getting you the ball back, then you have to
believe that they're also going to do it. At the
forty nine or forty three. I think big they're at
the forty three yard line there, that your defense is
still going to get you the ball back. So so yeah,
I had major problems with it. We were all talking
about it in the press box, like what are you doing?
And it felt like it felt like to me, he's
got a game manager. Every team does, and I feel
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like the game manager probably said, got to go for
it here, and I think he was the one. Antonio
was the one that that sort of talked talked everybody
out of it, because his excellent explanation afterwards and yesterday
was you know, we're playing field position and putting in
the hands of our defense pinning him down. So it
felt like he already had the rationale in his head
and then verbalized that after the game and then yesterday,
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which on the one hand, it's kind of sound thinking,
but when it's the first time something's happened in eight years,
you're probably on the wrong side of history. When when
when you become the first team to do that in
that exact situation, that that probably is telling you something.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Right, defensive minded coach always going to play it safe
and trust is defense more like more often the.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, and I and I think because on my radio
show today were we were asking the question, would he
do the exact same thing or would he just flat
out go for it in the in the same exact situation.
I just get the feeling that Antonio Pearce is a
let me see how the game is playing out before
I tell you what my decision would be in that
in that exact same situation. So in other words, if
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as Sunday's game was was unfolding, you know, his offensive
line was getting its butt whip by the Chargers defensive
line and he just didn't have didn't have confidence up
to that point that they were going to be able
to get that necessary yardage, I think he would do
the same exact thing. And that's that. That probably tells you,
you know, where where his head at head is at.
And maybe there is some justification for making decisions based
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on what exactly is happening in the game rather than
some big arm cherry analytical number that says you have
to go for it right here. I think he's going
to be more of an instincts, more of a flow
of the game type of a coach. And there's a
there's massive arguments on both sides of that ledger, which
is the right side, which is the one that you
should follow. I'm not the major analytical guy, but it
(24:20):
just felt like to me, the flow of the game
was telling you, fat chance we're ever going to get
back to this part of the field again. So now
that we're here, we might as well roll the dice
and go for it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Tell you what he's no, Brandon Staley.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, right exactly, So Brandon Staley would have thrown a
hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Right right exactly, and then coach so go figure.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
All right, Benny, thanks for coming on. Great stuff, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I appreciate it. You guys have a great job.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
All right.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
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taking on the Cubs at Dodger Stadium. The first pitch
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there's a lot going on there. All right, we'll see
it at Saturday with Andre Eathier. Don't you hate to lose?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Sucks?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Doesn't make the Doesn't it make it worse? If you're
the biggest loser ever?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What a title to have though, Hey.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It's a moniker that could be handed out this year
Jonas Nason today for Rodney that'd be I mean, they
were a train wreck.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's like, first of all, you're already the little brother
in town, and on top of that, you're like maybe
his like the worst team ever as well too. I
just brutal man.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I mean, if you're one of the players, how do
you go Well, you get paid, so they go to
work every day. You got no shot. Anything that can
go wrong does go wrong. You have nobody in the crowd.
You're just playing out the string. You're getting paid a
lot of money, but it's got to be a really
bad environment to go to work.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I mean, you're in a cool city, but like you're
not in the cool part of the city, right, you
know what I mean, Like at least with the cub
like you had a Wrigleyville, and it's like it's fun.
You know, you hop off the l of the train there,
you walk right into the stadium. There's real like yeah,
you like, there's really nothing going for him. It's kind
of and it's it's almost become accepted at this point,
(26:38):
like oh they lost again, Like no, like it's happened
like at a historic rate. I mean they're thirty three
and one twelve.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yees, seventeen games to go. I mean they could lose
one hundred and twenty five games, could be the worst
all time. That bad general manager though, says, look our
glass is half full. Look at this as an opportunity
to jump off a bridge. That's your opportunity.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Jesus seriously, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know what, let's just look at this as an opportunity.
How bad is that organization? How bad? I am telling you,
and I mean it all tickets next year?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
All right? Let me Yeah, I want to try. And
I don't know if you saw this number, but did
you see what the attendance was at last night's game?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Did they have six thousand of a game?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay? Like if you got a guess right now? So
I want to I want to lay this out for you.
All right, So last night's game was White Sox Guardians, Guardians,
very good team, Like that's a that's a playoff team,
that's a team that you know, the Dodgers just saw
that not that long ago, but that's a team that's
respected on the road. At the White Sox a Monday night,
(27:55):
people feeling good because the Bears won the day before,
Like there there at least is better vibes and feelings
in the city and there's nothing really else going on
on that Monday night other than watching the Jets and
the Niners. But it's got no real play for Chicago fans.
What would you guess the attendance is for the Guardians,
for the White Sox Chicago being one of the worst
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teams of all time on a Monday.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Night, I'm going eighty four hundred, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
E twenty nine, Like I'm shocked. There's that many people there.
Me too like that, Like, I'm shocked. So I don't
know if these numbers ever get released, And maybe you
would know this better than I would, But do you
have to disclose or release your financials at the end
(28:45):
of the year, because I would love to know in
a season like this, how much they profited during just
home games, running this team and this organization into the ground,
this bag of vomit that they roll out there eighty
one times a year for the home fans in Chicago. Like,
I wonder what their profit is because it guaranteed they
(29:06):
made money guaranteed. Oh, I agree, and a significant amount.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, the less you spend, the more you make. Pretty simple,
Pretty simple. The less you spend, the more you make.
And I think it is a crime for those fans
in Chicago. If you are a white Sox fan. If
you are, apologies or condolences. But if you are, that
is a crime. You You're being mistreated, You're being abused.
(29:35):
You shouldn't have to put up with that. Seriously, all right,
let's but you are. Are we not getting what you
paid for? And don't tell me, well I paid you
go to a ball game. Then go to a little
league game, geez, and just bring a flask.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Gosh.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
The reason it doesn't cost you anything. If I have
to get out to the old park, well, then go
to the park and watch softball.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
By the way, pay to see that?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Why would you pay the owner ten cents?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That are they checking flasks?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
When they when they go into the park or they
just like, you know, what, screw it. You guys have
been through a nouf. We'll let you in, Like cause
I didn't know. I wasn't aware, by the way, that
there was such thing as a plastic flask.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Were you one of those?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, Like, apparently there's such thing as a plastic flask
that you can use to get into places that won't
flag a metal detector. So like apparently that's, you know,
like one of the things people try and go with.
I think it's so bad for the White Sox that
you could walk in there with a bottle of Jack Daniels,
(30:35):
pretend that it's a baseball bat and they would just
look the other way. Yeah, listen, he's been through a lot.
Like this team stinks.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Roger tickets, who's going eighty six six ninety seven? Two
five seven? We got a pair of tickets to give away.
Jonas would call her number four. Let's go four, kind
of not snard way to go. You won the tickets,
get well, you know this sid of tickets next hour,
so we in bite you to stay two.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Hell yeah, eight oh five? Baby, what do you know
about that? Fred?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I know about the eight o five. Yeah, I know
about the eight o.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Five knock snard. So what it is depends on who
you ask.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I have some very good friends that live out there,
like basically not on the beach, but certainly you can
get to the beach in about two seconds.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Was it like Oxnar Chores?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's very nice though, Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
The reason the Cowboys go out there for training camp
every year. You know, you just gotta maybe stay away
from La Colonia. But again, you know, every place has
got a you know, got a couple of spots you
need to be aware of.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So how do you think Yamamoto does tonight?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hopefully well, but I'm a little bit concerned with just
the messaging surrounding why he's being brought back. I just
I wonder are they bringing him back because they have to,
or are they bringing him back because they feel that
he's ready. That's my big question mark. And it's gonna,
(32:15):
by the way, it's gonna be a fun atmosphere considering
he'll be taking on you know, go why why am
I blanket on? The Cubs showed it? Imanaga for the Cubs.
Sana Suzuki is there, You've got obviously Otani in the ballpark.
There's a Japanese influence there in the stadium tonight, So
that's gonna be a fun environment because if you've not
(32:37):
seen Amanaga pitch, he's been fantastic all year long. So
to see those two guys on center stage and get
the opportunity out there to have this platform gonna be
a fun vibe. And I'm sure Dave Vessay is already there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Bobblehead situation is like, but I'm assuming fans are not
lining up already at five point thirty in the morning
to try and get in there.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So well, we'll talk to Dave in the next segment.
It's funny he was the as it turned out, the bargain.
He was the bargain year.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
He was the late get, like he was the guy.
And because he doesn't have like the fancy stuff maybe
that you know that Yamamoto does, and you watch showdaium
Monaga pitch and you go like, sometimes people can't figure
out how he's getting guys out because he doesn't throw fast,
he's not throwing hard, but he you look at his
numbers and you go, damn, he's an all star, like
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and legitimately, he's had a great year for the Cubs,
so it's been fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, it's been terrific to watch. That'll be fun tonight.
You'll hear the game on the radio station. And keep
in mind and stay with us, we're giving away another
pair of Dodger tickets. Next hour, David Vasse will join
us from Dodger Stadium and we'll talk about the pitching situation.
(33:52):
Also next hour, they'll be along with a high Coup
Thought.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We continue on Fred Rogan and Jonas Knxen today for
Rodney on a five to seventy LA Sports give it
away Dodger tickets this hour. So keep listening. We'll give
you a cue to call. We just lived a gimp.
That's who we are, that's what we do.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Jonas better me and selfish, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Unusual for using this.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, okay, let's bring on our NFL insider, Vinnie bon
signor Vinnie Welcome to the show today.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Thank you for having me. What an opening weekend football
games culminating last night with the forty nine Ers surgically
taking apart the Jets. It was quite a weekend, enlightening weekend, all.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right, well, and an enlightening situation before the game in
Miami with Tyreek Hill. Here's what we're gonna do. We're
gonna play. We'll start with what we played in the
last segment for people just jumping on now, Tyreek Hill
being pulled over before the game in Miami. We have
the bodycam audio, Uh from the stop to set the stage.
(01:05):
Tyreek Kill was speeding. Officers pulled him over. Uh, they
asked him and you will hear in this that the
first thing. They tapped on his window, and you hear
him say, don't tap on my window. So that kind
of started things in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
They asked him to roll down the window, then he
rolled it back up. Then they told him to roll
it down, open the door. Then they yanked him out
of the car. So if you didn't hear it, let's
play that again and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Hey, don't knock on my window.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Let yeah, don't knock.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Why do you have your seat?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Don't knock on my window?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Why do you have your seat? Be my one to
let that know. Day what No knock on my winder light?
Why you hur up?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
No knock on my window light?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Way you h it up?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I do not to let you know I'm here.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Don't knock nowhere and talk to me in my ticket
brush so I can go. I'm gonna play gay. Do
what you gotta do.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
Keep it down, Hey, keep your window down?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
What?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Hey, keep your window down.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'll tell me what. Keep your window down.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I'm gonna get you out of the car, I said.
Matter if I get out of the car, get out
of the far let me break up. Get out of
the car, hopefully get out, get out of the car
right now, we're not playing this game.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Get out, get it.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Up, get out, get off, get out. We'll put the
products you want. Hey, hey, dn't getting arrested. I'm getting arrested.
I'm getting arrested, Drokes, I'm getting out, friend.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Down twe When we tell you to do something, you
do it. You understand now, you understand now what you want.
But when we tell you you're I'm getting out late?
Too late? All right, bronk Brad, what's gonna do?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It is good?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Hey, Okay, Jonas and I chopped that up last segment. Vinnie,
you hear that, And what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Just write him his ticket and let him be on
his way. I don't understand why anything else else had
to escalate beyond that, you know, and so you know,
I know that. Could it have been handled better, you know,
on on on Tyreek's part, by you know, adhering to
what to what the officers were saying. Maybe, but he's
(03:28):
under he's no under no obligation right there. They're not.
They don't have all the absolute power, you know, write
him his ticket, knock on his window. When when you
have the ticket, give it to him and let him
be on his way. That's all that he is responsible
for doing. He doesn't have to do everything that you
say that he has to do, And by no means
(03:48):
or any stretch of the imagination should not have escalated
to the point that it escalated to.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I mean, it felt like he could have also not
been I'm bad right from the jump, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Maybe maybe, but that still doesn't give them the right
to do what they didn't. He didn't want to roll
down his window. I don't understand why he has to
roll down the window just because they just give me
my ticket. I was wrong, I was. You got me
for whatever it was that you got me, write my ticket,
and then I'll be on my way. That's That's really
the only thing that he's responsible, you know, for doing.
(04:25):
Would I have had a a a little bit differently
if I was him, Probably, Yeah, for sure I would have.
But that doesn't mean that you get dragged out of
your car for something like that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Now, No, you're one hundred percent right about that. You're
one hundred percent right, and Jonas and I both agree
with that. But when they ask you to roll down
your window, they're doing it so they can see your hands.
And those windows were really tinted. And if there's this
traffic stop, roll down your window. We need to see
your hands. I think that standard procedure.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
So if he rolls it back.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Up, they're thinking, why you're rolling your window up, we
can't see your hands. And I think that's where everything
you know, and Jonas said it, I thought put it
really well last hour. Uh you know, you're on one
side of the other. And the truth of the matter
is everybody made mistakes here. I think the police completely overreacted.
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There was no reason to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Do that none.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
On the other hand, he really didn't help himself much
because if he had rolled down that window and looked
at them and said, all right, hey, I'm sorry, I'm speeding,
but I got to get into the game. Can you
just give me the ticket now, it might have gone differently. Now,
before we go any further, let's hear from Tyreek Hill
(05:43):
on CNN.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
You know what, when the officer came up and knocked
on my window, I let my window down, cooperated, gave
him my ID, and then I immediately let up my window,
and then after that I let back up my window
and then he came back to the window. I was like,
let your window down, now, let your window down now,
and then.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I let it down.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's when he said, if you.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Don't let your winder down, I'm I'm gonna snatch you
out the car. I was like, sir, my window is down,
Like what do you want. I'm not trying to cause
a scene because a if I let my window down,
like people walking by, driving by, they gonna notice that
it's me and they gonna start taking pictures. And I like, like,
I didn't want to create a scene at all, Like
I just really wanted to get the ticket and then
just go on about my way and then just you know,
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just have a great Sunday.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, does that seem accurate to everyone here? Because
I don't think he rolled his window down again. In fact,
when he cracked it, he said, don't tell me what
to do. Yeah, I look, both sides could have handled
it better. The cop was way too aggressive and pinning
him down on his face, putting his knee in his
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back that was excessive. Didn't need to happen. They wrong,
They got over zealous. On hundred percent. Tyreek Hill also
did not handle it correctly when they pulled him over.
And if he's talking about I don't want to draw
attention to myself, you know. I mean he's driving around
in the batmobile, you know, going sixty miles an hour
trying to get to a game, Like it's of course
you're going to draw attention. He just didn't cooperate, and
(07:12):
that's like, to me, it's pretty cut and dry. But
now it's veered off into this conversation about and it
completely dismisses the fact that when you look at Tyreek
Hill's career and Vinnie, I don't know how you feel
about this, but I think a lot of people just
assume that when he left Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City,
he was just going to slow down. And you could
argue he's become a better player, Like it's unbelievable the
(07:34):
career he's put together.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
On the field.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, and he's really in a kind of a system
there in Miami that that suits exactly what He's the
perfect weapon that for that offense. So no no questions
about that. And yes, he could have definitely done some
different things and handled things a little bit better. But
you know, there's you know, there's also a chrack record
(07:58):
of even when you do do the right thing, bad
things can happen, so and that's in the back of
everybody's mind. And I think that it's a tough one.
It's a tough situation, but it should have never gotten
to the point that it ultimately got to. And I
think that there's going to be some major repercussions for
those police officers allowing it to get to that point.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, the guy, the guy made a mistake and I
don't even know if you want to call it that,
but he did that. That was unnecessary. Agree, a million percent,
completely unnecessary. But then again, as we said, it's not
like Tyreek helped himself much there, and uh right, Yeah,
there are two sides to this. Now, Benny, if Tyreek
(08:43):
Hill complies and they drag him out of the car
and do the exact same thing, it's a different conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But yeah, I totally agree. One thing I'll say though, too,
is that you know, sometimes, you know, even when you
do do the right thing, and maybe Tyrek was feeling this,
you know, there's a little bit attitude sometimes, you know,
in the in the voice of the police officer, like
like I've you know, there are situations that occur where
(09:12):
you can tell that maybe the police officers trying to
get a little trying to get a little reaction out
as well. Do you understand what I'm saying, Like, like,
sometimes their approach can sometimes not dictate, but you know,
leave that in one direction or the other. And if
there's aggressive you know, aggressiveness or attitude you know from
(09:35):
from in the voice of the police officer, you know,
that could change the direction of of how that whole
thing is going to go. And we've seen that as
well before, and so you know, it's it's definitely a
tough one. I see your point without question, because I
would have handled a little bit differently. My dad always
told me yes or no, sir that And that's just
how you have to be with police officers because you
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never know which kind of a police officer you're going
to get. There's good people and bad people in this world.
There's there's people that do their jobs well and there's
people that do their jobs not so well. And I
think we all know what we're talking about. And you,
as a citizen or somebody that's getting pulled over, have
no idea which one what kind you're going to get.
So the safest thing that you could do for yourself
(10:16):
is just comply with the yes sir, no sir, no attitude,
no base in your voice, you know, just just be
like that. That's how I was always taught. But there's people,
you know, there there's there's there's there's a population out
there that even when they do the right thing, and
even when they do yes or no sir, sometimes things
happen and uh and and there's a track the history
(10:39):
of that, and so you can see why, you know,
some people like, hey, even when I do do that,
it doesn't always go right. So what am I supposed
to do in those situations? Knowing that that has happened
as well?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, Benny, you did mention on the football field,
it was a fun first weekend in the NFL. I
got to ask you. That Sunday night game was a
fun one. But my takeaway from that was that's a
bad loss for the Rams because it felt like they
had an opportunity to win that game. If Matt Stafford
completes that pass on third down to Cooper Cup who
(11:11):
had a monster game. He was unbelievable on Sunday night.
To me, they ice that game. They win that game
on the road, and now not only are they dealing
with the loss on the field to the team that
ended their season last year. But now you've got the
injuries that have mounted up Pooka Nakua who reaggravated the
knee issues on the offensive line. It feels like that
was a problematic loss for the Rams.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, you know, I agree, because, like you said, they
had a chance to win that in spite of the
injuries and where they are, you know, health wise, And
you don't want, if you're the Rams, to look back
at that particular game as, oh my gosh, that's the one.
You know, had we won that things would be different
and it's going to get a little bit tougher because
they're going to be dealing with these injuries, especially to Pooka.
(11:54):
On the other hand, you could also say that's how
close we were, even though we were down you know,
a few players, a few key players. What's gonna what's
that game going to look like if we have to
run into the Detroit Lions again and now we're fully healthy,
you know, uh, the confidence that you get just from
from competing with the Lions to the extent that you
(12:15):
did on the road. I've been to Detroit. It's a
Hornets nest. Now that place gets rebbed the heck up.
And so the Raiders, the Rams went into Detroit and
and and competed even though they were down a few players.
So that's got to give them a little bit of
confidence as well. But it is, it could be, it
could be a hurtful loss. It's it's such a long
season that that, you know, it remains to be seen
(12:36):
if that's gonna if that if that's going to be
a loss that really hurts them, or if it was
just more of a frustrating loss than a hurtful loss.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And those are Fred's Detroit Lions, by the way.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know what, I'll claim I don't care, I'll them.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Now, you'll claim them, will claim him Now the last
thirty years he didn't know.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I've always claimed.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
They didn't give him any reasons. Now they earned his
respect and trust.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But you know what I take away from that game is,
and you and I had kicked this around in the past,
they've got to change that overtime role, Vinnie and during
the regular season.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I mean, that was awful.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, And it's got to be so frustrating if you're
Sean mcvain, your Matthew Stafford and your Cooper Cup and
you're watching the Lions just just kind of run it
down the defense to throw not kind of that's exactly
what they did, knowing that, you know, as each eight yard,
twelve yard, ten yard run gets broken off, your chances start,
you know, diminishing and diminishing, diminishing not only of not
(13:33):
just of winning the game, but just of even getting
the ball back to give yourself a chance, a chance
to win. I don't understand why. I mean, it feels
like the NFL keeps dancing around this thing. You know,
they keep just you know, I go a little bit
further and a little bit very well, if if they
score a touchdown, then as sudden depth overtime. But if
it's a field goal, then we let you you know,
the other team get just let each side, you know,
(13:55):
get possession of the ball at least one time, and
then once each team regardless of what happens if both teams,
if neither team scores, or if both teams score touchdowns,
at that point, the next possession becomes the you know,
whoever scores next, it becomes sudden depth from that point on,
but at least give both teams an opportunity. That's what
(14:16):
happens in baseball, that's what happens in basketball, every other
sport for that matter, allows each team to play offense
and to play defense in the extra innings or in overtime.
I don't understand why the NFL keeps doing things to
limit that. They've gone as far as they feel like,
you know, they've gone pretty far on that. Just go
(14:37):
the full length and let both teams get a chance
to possess the ball in overtime and then all bets
are off after that.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
On the subject of the Chargers and the Raiders over
the weekend, which was, you know, kind of an ugly
performance for the Raiders, but on the flip side of that,
best rushing performance by a Chargers back since Week five
of twenty twenty two. And I think it was you
that made the point when they decide did in LA
as far as the Chargers go to move on from
Keenan Allen to move on for Mike Williams, like, well,
(15:05):
who's Justin Herbert going to throw to? And it was like, no,
Harva's here, Like it's gonna look different than it has.
Is that what we can expect moving forward?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah? And by the way that was done on ten
carries for JK. Dobbins was one hundred and thirty some
odd yards on ten carries. Two of course were for
one hundred yards sixty and forty you know, to put
in both cases to help put that game away. And
here's the beautiful part for the Chargers is I mean
watching Justin Herbert, he was obviously there was some rust
(15:35):
involved with him, and it's it's hard to imagine that
he's fully healthy right now. So I mean, I don't
think you ran the ball at all on Sunday against
the Raiders, so there were some protection, you know, for him,
and they were still they were still able to win
a football game with him throwing for what about it
but buck thirty or so not much at all. And
(15:56):
he certainly wasn't the mobile Justin Herbert that we've seen.
What a feather in their cap to still be able
to win a game getting that production from Justin Herbert,
because what have we always talked about with Justin Herbert?
Everything has been has had to be on his shoulders.
If he wasn't thrown for big numbers and doing big things, Really,
the Chargers had no chance on Sunday. They showed, yeah,
(16:18):
we can win with you playing this way, and part
of him playing that way is I feel anyway, there's
still Russ and there's probably still some lingering effects from
the foot. What happens now when he starts getting further
and further beyond that foot injury and shakes off more
and more of that Russ and he becomes Justin Herbert,
(16:38):
the Justin Herbert that we know that he is. And oh,
by the way, in the meantime, they built this great
running game foundation and also a pretty darn good defense.
You know, the last time I saw the Chargers defense,
they were giving up sixty three points. I know a
couple of one of those was a defensive touchdown by
the Raiders, but they were getting pushed around by the
Raiders in that game last year at a Llegiance Stadium.
(17:00):
If if what they showed on Sunny now, granted, the
Raiders are a limited offense, so you have to account
for that, but that was a much better Chargers defense
and we've seen in a long time. So if you
throw that component into it as well, then the tide
is turning with the Chargers in Los Angeles, because if
you could get Justin back to being Justin and also
have a running game to compliment compliment him, and what
(17:23):
I think is going to be a really darn good
offensive line. Joe al is a beast. He's going to
be a problem for years to come for a lot
of teams. And he basically shut out Max Crosby in
there in their head to head battles, which is a
hard thing to do. I've seen Max Crosby just torment,
you know, veteran offensive tackles, let alone rookie offensive tackles,
and he really had no answer for Joe All in
(17:43):
that game. So so these are it's the sees are
being planned. Let's put it that way for for what
this Chargers team is going to be and what Justin
Herbert can expect in terms of the complimentary nature now
of his supporting cast, which hasn't always been there in
the past for him.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, that said, we can toot the horde of the Chargers.
Raiders look pretty bad, man, I mean offensively, they just
look awful, to be honest with you. So how good
are the Chargers if the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Were not that good?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, And you know, I'll say that the Raiders defense
is pretty darn good and you know, definitely the Chargers
gass him for those two long runs, and the Raiders
are kind of kicking themselves because if you watch it
on film, those two mental mistakes by by their linebackers
that really helped contribute to that. But nevertheless, they were
able to do that and figure out a way against
(18:34):
what is probably going to be a top ten defense
in the NFL. And that again was with you know,
kind of a Justin Herbert light or Justin Herbert with
one hand tied behind his back. They were still able
to find a way against a really good defense. And
again I think that modes well now defensively against the
Raiders' offense. You know, we'll have to see the Chargers
(18:54):
against an actual functioning, you know, offense spread. I know
you remember this, but this offense to me, outside of
the fact that they do actually have some really good
weapons and DeVante Adams and you know, Jacoby Myers and
Rock Bowers, but outside of that, when you take that
kind of element away, this offense, when I was watching
(19:15):
it in training camp, it reminded me of that Rams
offense in twenty sixteen, where it was just so bad
before Sean mcday got there, before Jared Goff became Jared Goff.
That's what it kind of reminds me of. There was
no pizzazz during training camp. There were no big plays
being made during training camp. And part of that, I
think is the offensive line is still kind of a
work in progress and they don't really have a good quarterback.
(19:36):
They have two basically backup quarterbacks, which when we started
twenty sixteen with the Rams, it was Case Keenum was
the starting quarterback, and we all kind of know what
Case Keenum is. No disrespect to him, He's had a
fine career as a backup quarterback. But to me, that's
what Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell are, and that's going
to make it really tough for this Raiders offense to
(19:57):
do anything on a consistent basis. They'll win in the
share games because that defense is that good and they'll
be able to piece it together from time to time offensively,
but the question is how many times can they do
that on a week to week basis and is it
enough to help maybe get them into a playoff picture.
I'm really dubious about that. We may be looking at,
you know, the ceiling of a seven to eight win
(20:19):
team here in Las Vegas for the.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Raiders, Vinny, did you have an issue with Antonio Peers
punting the ball in that situation in the fourth? There
were seven minutes in change left, They're in Charger territory,
it's a fourth and one. He decides to pin him
back and it worked. I mean, they got the ball
at the eight and then they got Gash for that
big run. Like I know that there were some people
given to the sidey, but.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Can I answer that I have an issue with it?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But go ahead, Vinnie, I one thousand percent have an
issue with it. And he kind of he got spooked
a little bit because earlier in the game they did
get stopped on a second, third and fourth down shortyarded run.
You know, so they didn't he didn't have a whole
lot of confidence that they were going to be able
to get that one yard based on what happened earlier
in the game. But nevertheless, you can't you can't coach
(21:06):
that way. And I understand his thought process and in
a way, as he said, and and Jonah, you just
you just said it as well. You know, they they
got what they wanted. They pinned them down at the
eight yard line. Now, you're counting on your defense to
to force them to punt and get a shorter field
after that. But but the thing is they had been
they had been so infrequent for the Raiders getting over
(21:28):
to the charger side of the field, let alone getting
in the red zone. They'd only been to the red
zone one time, and it was just one play in
the red zone. So my thought process was, when do
you think you're ever going to get back there again?
This is your best chance right now, You're already there.
You just need one yard, whether it's and and and
everyone's like, well, you know, he didn't have confidence to
get that one yard in the running game. He also
(21:49):
didn't have confidence that the passing game was going to
be I mean, can't you come up with a three
yard throw past the past the chains to to you know,
keep it moving. But he just did not have in
his team to do that. But even even with that
lack of confidence, to me, you have to roll the
dice right there, because if you believe that your defense
is going to get the job done pitting him down
(22:09):
and getting you the ball back, then you have to
believe that they're also going to do it. At the
forty nine or forty three. I think big they're at
the forty three yard line there, that your defense is
still going to get you the ball back. So so yeah,
I had major problems with it. We were all talking
about it in the press box, like what are you doing?
And it felt like it felt like to me, he's
got a game manager. Every team does, and I feel
(22:31):
like the game manager probably said, got to go for
it here, and I think he was the one. Antonio
was the one that that sort of talked talked everybody
out of it, because his excellent explanation afterwards and yesterday
was you know, we're playing field position and putting in
the hands of our defense pinning him down. So it
felt like he already had the rationale in his head
and then verbalized that after the game and then yesterday,
(22:53):
which on the one hand, it's kind of sound thinking,
but when it's the first time something's happened in eight years,
you're probably on the wrong side of history. When when
when you become the first team to do that in
that exact situation, that that probably is telling you something.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Right, defensive minded coach always going to play it safe
and trust is defense more like more often the.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, and I and I think because on my radio
show today were we were asking the question, would he
do the exact same thing or would he just flat
out go for it in the in the same exact situation.
I just get the feeling that Antonio Pearce is a
let me see how the game is playing out before
I tell you what my decision would be in that
in that exact same situation. So in other words, if
(23:34):
as Sunday's game was was unfolding, you know, his offensive
line was getting its butt whip by the Chargers defensive
line and he just didn't have didn't have confidence up
to that point that they were going to be able
to get that necessary yardage, I think he would do
the same exact thing. And that's that. That probably tells you,
you know, where where his head at head is at.
And maybe there is some justification for making decisions based
(23:56):
on what exactly is happening in the game rather than
some big arm cherry analytical number that says you have
to go for it right here. I think he's going
to be more of an instincts, more of a flow
of the game type of a coach. And there's a
there's massive arguments on both sides of that ledger, which
is the right side, which is the one that you
should follow. I'm not the major analytical guy, but it
(24:20):
just felt like to me, the flow of the game
was telling you, fat chance we're ever going to get
back to this part of the field again. So now
that we're here, we might as well roll the dice
and go for it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Tell you what he's no, Brandon Staley.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, right exactly, So Brandon Staley would have thrown a
hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Right right exactly, and then coach so go figure.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
All right, Benny, thanks for coming on. Great stuff, all right.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I appreciate it. You guys have a great job.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
All right.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
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taking on the Cubs at Dodger Stadium. The first pitch
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(25:11):
with smoky chicken tanga. Crispy nachos and zesty Serrano aoli. Wow,
there's a lot going on there. All right, we'll see
it at Saturday with Andre Eathier. Don't you hate to lose?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Sucks?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Doesn't make the Doesn't it make it worse? If you're
the biggest loser ever?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What a title to have though, Hey.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It's a moniker that could be handed out this year
Jonas Nason today for Rodney that'd be I mean, they
were a train wreck.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's like, first of all, you're already the little brother
in town, and on top of that, you're like maybe
his like the worst team ever as well too. I
just brutal man.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I mean, if you're one of the players, how do
you go Well, you get paid, so they go to
work every day. You got no shot. Anything that can
go wrong does go wrong. You have nobody in the crowd.
You're just playing out the string. You're getting paid a
lot of money, but it's got to be a really
bad environment to go to work.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I mean, you're in a cool city, but like you're
not in the cool part of the city, right, you
know what I mean, Like at least with the cub
like you had a Wrigleyville, and it's like it's fun.
You know, you hop off the l of the train there,
you walk right into the stadium. There's real like yeah,
you like, there's really nothing going for him. It's kind
of and it's it's almost become accepted at this point,
(26:38):
like oh they lost again, Like no, like it's happened
like at a historic rate. I mean they're thirty three
and one twelve.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yees, seventeen games to go. I mean they could lose
one hundred and twenty five games, could be the worst
all time. That bad general manager though, says, look our
glass is half full. Look at this as an opportunity
to jump off a bridge. That's your opportunity.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Jesus seriously, Well.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know what, let's just look at this as an opportunity.
How bad is that organization? How bad? I am telling you,
and I mean it all tickets next year?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
All right? Let me Yeah, I want to try. And
I don't know if you saw this number, but did
you see what the attendance was at last night's game?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Did they have six thousand of a game?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay? Like if you got a guess right now? So
I want to I want to lay this out for you.
All right, So last night's game was White Sox Guardians, Guardians,
very good team, Like that's a that's a playoff team,
that's a team that you know, the Dodgers just saw
that not that long ago, but that's a team that's
respected on the road. At the White Sox a Monday night,
(27:55):
people feeling good because the Bears won the day before,
Like there there at least is better vibes and feelings
in the city and there's nothing really else going on
on that Monday night other than watching the Jets and
the Niners. But it's got no real play for Chicago fans.
What would you guess the attendance is for the Guardians,
for the White Sox Chicago being one of the worst
(28:17):
teams of all time on a Monday.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Night, I'm going eighty four hundred, okay.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
E twenty nine, Like I'm shocked. There's that many people there.
Me too like that, Like, I'm shocked. So I don't
know if these numbers ever get released, And maybe you
would know this better than I would, But do you
have to disclose or release your financials at the end
(28:45):
of the year, because I would love to know in
a season like this, how much they profited during just
home games, running this team and this organization into the ground,
this bag of vomit that they roll out there eighty
one times a year for the home fans in Chicago. Like,
I wonder what their profit is because it guaranteed they
(29:06):
made money guaranteed. Oh, I agree, and a significant amount.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, the less you spend, the more you make. Pretty simple,
Pretty simple. The less you spend, the more you make.
And I think it is a crime for those fans
in Chicago. If you are a white Sox fan. If
you are, apologies or condolences. But if you are, that
is a crime. You You're being mistreated, You're being abused.
(29:35):
You shouldn't have to put up with that. Seriously, all right,
let's but you are. Are we not getting what you
paid for? And don't tell me, well I paid you
go to a ball game. Then go to a little
league game, geez, and just bring a flask.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Gosh.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
The reason it doesn't cost you anything. If I have
to get out to the old park, well, then go
to the park and watch softball.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
By the way, pay to see that?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Why would you pay the owner ten cents?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That are they checking flasks?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
When they when they go into the park or they
just like, you know, what, screw it. You guys have
been through a nouf. We'll let you in, Like cause
I didn't know. I wasn't aware, by the way, that
there was such thing as a plastic flask.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Were you one of those?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, Like, apparently there's such thing as a plastic flask
that you can use to get into places that won't
flag a metal detector. So like apparently that's, you know,
like one of the things people try and go with.
I think it's so bad for the White Sox that
you could walk in there with a bottle of Jack Daniels,
(30:35):
pretend that it's a baseball bat and they would just
look the other way. Yeah, listen, he's been through a lot.
Like this team stinks.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Roger tickets, who's going eighty six six ninety seven? Two
five seven? We got a pair of tickets to give away.
Jonas would call her number four. Let's go four, kind
of not snard way to go. You won the tickets,
get well, you know this sid of tickets next hour,
so we in bite you to stay two.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Hell yeah, eight oh five? Baby, what do you know
about that? Fred?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I know about the eight o five. Yeah, I know
about the eight o.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Five knock snard. So what it is depends on who
you ask.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I have some very good friends that live out there,
like basically not on the beach, but certainly you can
get to the beach in about two seconds.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Was it like Oxnar Chores?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's very nice though, Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
The reason the Cowboys go out there for training camp
every year. You know, you just gotta maybe stay away
from La Colonia. But again, you know, every place has
got a you know, got a couple of spots you
need to be aware of.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So how do you think Yamamoto does tonight?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hopefully well, but I'm a little bit concerned with just
the messaging surrounding why he's being brought back. I just
I wonder are they bringing him back because they have to,
or are they bringing him back because they feel that
he's ready. That's my big question mark. And it's gonna,
(32:15):
by the way, it's gonna be a fun atmosphere considering
he'll be taking on you know, go why why am
I blanket on? The Cubs showed it? Imanaga for the Cubs.
Sana Suzuki is there, You've got obviously Otani in the ballpark.
There's a Japanese influence there in the stadium tonight, So
that's gonna be a fun environment because if you've not
(32:37):
seen Amanaga pitch, he's been fantastic all year long. So
to see those two guys on center stage and get
the opportunity out there to have this platform gonna be
a fun vibe. And I'm sure Dave Vessay is already there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Bobblehead situation is like, but I'm assuming fans are not
lining up already at five point thirty in the morning
to try and get in there.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So well, we'll talk to Dave in the next segment.
It's funny he was the as it turned out, the bargain.
He was the bargain year.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
He was the late get, like he was the guy.
And because he doesn't have like the fancy stuff maybe
that you know that Yamamoto does, and you watch showdaium
Monaga pitch and you go like, sometimes people can't figure
out how he's getting guys out because he doesn't throw fast,
he's not throwing hard, but he you look at his
numbers and you go, damn, he's an all star, like
(33:27):
and legitimately, he's had a great year for the Cubs,
so it's been fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, it's been terrific to watch. That'll be fun tonight.
You'll hear the game on the radio station. And keep
in mind and stay with us, we're giving away another
pair of Dodger tickets. Next hour, David Vasse will join
us from Dodger Stadium and we'll talk about the pitching situation.
(33:52):
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