September 12, 2024 • 41 mins
Roggin and Rodney (Jonas Knox) talk about another rough outing from Bobby Miller and then the PAC12 trying to make a comeback.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, we should, I mean, I guess we should.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And yeah, and somebody's taking a shot at show. Oh
then we go two hours today. Fred Rogan Jonas knuts
in for Rodney on se LA Sports. Bobby Miller last night,
he's going to get another start, but he does not
look right. As a matter of fact, he's looking more
wrong than right now in each start.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I mean, what gave it away last night? Was it
the inability to get people out?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The wait apple bomb, Wait, wait, let's just break it down,
all right, So what do you think gave it away?
Inability to get people out? That's one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
The Bellinger at bat felt like it was going to
go bad from the start. I don't know, I don't
know what. Like I just watching the at bat, I'm
like staying alive, staying alive, staying alive. And then once
Bellinger made contact, I was like, oh, that's gone, thanks,
so here we go. It's a one run game in
a game that shouldn't have been one run game at
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all at any point in time. And it's another one
of those. And I was and I'll let you finish
your thought on Bobby Miller, because I had a question
I wanted to throw at you just about the entirety
of the series. Yes, So I'll let you finish your
thought on Bobby Miller, and then I want to pose
this to you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
My thought is he is one start away from not
being on the playoff roster. That is my thought. And
people are wondering, why are you giving him another shot?
Why in God's name you're gonna send him back out
there again. Well, two reasons. First, they need arms, yes,
and second they need to see what they have. It's
the Chris Taylor theory. We've got to see. We can't
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give up yet. Maybe he'll get right the next go round,
So we've got to take the time and observe him.
He gets another crack at it, but it's going the
wrong way. He is going the wrong way, Walker, Bueller,
up and down. You really don't know what's going to happen.
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Bobby Miller. He is going the wrong way. And I
really think he's one more start from you're not on
the playoff roster.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, and Dave, they're kind of in a spot to where,
well you're just hoping upon hope that he finds it
and figures it out. And so they're gonna give him
every opportunity up until the end. And I was thinking
this just watching the game last night, going if you
just based your opinion on whatever the Dodgers was going
into this and this, look, this is a three game
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series against the Cubs, who are not going to the postseason,
but we know the Dodgers are following this three game
series like what you saw play out. Are you more
or less confident in the Dodgers heading into the postseason
because I'm less A lot of things presented themselves in
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this series over the past couple of days, over the
past three days that seem really possible doomsday situation. It
could pop up in the postseason. And I've been as
optimistic and as positive and upbeat about the team. But
like last night's game, that shouldn't have been close, and
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you can argue the Dodgers should have probably lost that
game last night if not for a couple of bonehead
base running mistakes by the Cubs, one being Pete Crow
Armstrong and Michael Bush not being able to figure out
you know, who's going and who should head to home
and who like the Cubs probably should have the lead
in that editing. And then you get to the ninth
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and We're talking about the closer role yesterday and Kopik
like walks the bases loaded and could not find the
strike zone, and that was like another thing that possed.
So it's almost like you thought you would figure, like
had an understanding for who the team was and kind
of where their direction was, and hey, at least we're
trying to get players back, we're gonna be ready for
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the postseason. And this series, every game something else. It's
like whack a mole, like what's up or what's a
playoff problem the Dodgers could could run into at some
point and this series, Oh, terrible, terrible defense that popped up,
you know, a closer not being able to find the
strike zone, another starter not being able to go the distance,
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the bullpen melting down, like all of this stuff just
popped up. And I'm looking at this going, if you
just looked at this three game series, how do you
feel about it? Because I'm less confident that there's not
going to be issues in the postseason now than I
was before the series started.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And that's exactly why I am not concerned exactly why
those three games are a microcosm of what we've seen
all year long. Anything could happen in any moment. Anybody
can get hurt at any moment. Now, granted we haven't
seen that kind of port defense consistently, but the three games,
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if you're basing your feeling on, are you less confident now?
I don't think you should be less confident at all,
because this has been the season.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So you're at the same you're at the same level,
like you like these have been concerned like yeah, I man,
it's like the closer situation. And for that to play
out last night.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Like that one game, that's one game. Kopek is good
already struggled, and you asked the question yesterday why isn't
he the closer? Why? Because there's time to make that decision.
That's why yeh blake trying him. They're still trying to
shoehorn Evan Phillips back in. We know what Kopik can do.
They have to make a decision and they need to
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put people in positions to see how they react. Yeah,
if that's a playoff game. Last night, he watched the
bases loaded in the ninth inning. You're probably gonna lose
a game if it's tied, if you're up by one,
you're probably gonna lose the game. That doesn't mean he's
going to walk the basis full every time, and moreover,
normally when he's in the game, it's not remotely close
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to that. But you need to keep running him out
there to see, you know, the majority of the play
the guys that'll be on the roster, so let's just
figure out where they fit best. And I think that's
what they're doing now. Now I will say this, the
Cubs I think were down like nine runs one game
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a couple of weeks ago, eight runs, and came back
and won, scored ten runs in an inning. The Cubs
can hit. The Cubs can't hit.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
On the road.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, yeah, they were playing on the road here and
they can hit. So you know, it's it's no crime
that you got tagged by him. A little bit to
the degree is another story, But that's a function to
the pitching. You talked about Yamamoto yesterday, all right, that's
the thumbs up. That's good. He's he's not hurting, he's
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good to go. That was very important. When you talked
about Walker Bueler, he looked concerned, he looked lost, He
didn't look confident. That's a problem you send Bobby Miller
out there. That's a problem. But here's the thing, it
was probably have been in existence. Those problems have been
here with us, so they're nothing new. So if you
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base your feeling on that three games against the Cubs,
that would mean all season long you thought they'd be
in trouble because that was symptomatic of what they've gone
through this year. The games.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, I just I'm looking at it going okay, So
now there's the potential of a closer, you know, having
issues Defensively, they're struggling, and I know, look at some
of these guys are not going to be in position
like this like they would be in the postseason. But
it's I just as optimistic and upbeat and positive and
they're gonna win, Like I still believe that. But now, man,
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this series in Atlanta is a huge series like this
is you know, you're you're trying to distance yourself so
it doesn't have to come down to these games against
the Padres to try and you know, figure out who's
gonna run away. And I think they're gonna win the division.
I think they're gonna you know, be a top seed
in the NL playoffs. But this is not a flawless
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team by any means, and at this point in the season,
I don't know that Dave Roberts expected he would have
this much to figure out before they got there.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, it was not a flawless team in the past
three games, but there have been games that looked very good.
So it really has been hit and miss and up
and down this year. And that's why I've remained calm
and I've said the same thing from the very beginning.
Get to October, we'll figure it out. Well, they're going
to get October. They will be in the playoffs. I
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do believe that when the division as well, and then
we'll figure it out. And you know, there's nothing they're
gonna be able to do about the pitching situation. If
you if we're just to be.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Really honest, yeah, there's no time.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
There's no time, and there's no people. What are you
gonna do. You're gonna have to cobble things together. If
that's the case, I understand the concern and the frustration.
You know, Yah, Mamoto Flaherty. Let's hope klass now is
ready to go. Now, it's a crapshoot. At this point.
We don't know about Kershaw Bueller were not sure about Miller.
We're about done with You're gonna have to cobble it together.
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And it doesn't matter how many times we say it.
They're gonna play those games and they're gonna have to
figure it out. Are they gonna have to go with
an opener, let him go too three innings, and then
bring somebody in a starter that hopefully can carry you
the rest of the way. Maybe Are they gonna have
to go more of a bullpen situation? Not ideal in
the playoffs because once you start that, you're burning guy's
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arms out. But might they have to do that? Maybe
they might have to.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I mean, you're gonna have to rely on what you
weren't able to rely on last year, which is offensive production. Yes,
they're gonna have to score runs in the playoffs because
I looks as good as Flairty has been, I don't
know that. I'm like, whatever, Listen if they struggle to
plate and they go one for twenty one again, you
know at the top of the lineup, don't worry about it.
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We got a guy who can get us through a
bunch of It's like, okay, well, I mean he can
he can be solid, But I don't know that you
look at him a shutdown pitcher that we've seen other
teams rely on in the past, and so it's gonna
have to rely on the offense. He's gonna have to
rely on Otani to set the table. I mean, Tommy
Edmund have a Tommy Edmund huh hitting bombs for the Dodgers,
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nice little before the deadline acquisition, paying off dividends here
down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So a couple of years ago when they went out
and got Max Shuzer Rodney, you'll tell you the story,
and they threw in this guy named Trey Turner, and
I went on the other day and said, no, wait
a minute, I know you're excited about Max Scherzer. Trey
Turner is the guy. He was the other guy, and
he turned out to be ultimately the more important guy.
They got Flaerty and Tommy Edmund. Edmund is the guy,
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and long term he will turn out to be the
more important guy. He's perfect for the Dodgers. He is perfect.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't sign a deal over
a number of years with them. I'd be shocked that
they let him walk out of.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh, so you're already going a long term deal for
Tommy Edmund, Like you're taking it that fort.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, what I'm taking is whatever the definition of a
deal is for a player like him. Yes, he's not
a superstar. He can play everywhere. He's not going to
hit three hundred, could steal thirty bases for you. He's
going to play incredible defense. He's going to be somebody
that you can count on every night. But he's not
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Mookie Betts, and he's not Freddy Freeman, and he's not
Shoheo Tani. So whatever the definition of his value is,
I think they will sign him.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
By the way, Chris Taylor, man, like I hope he
doesn't spend any time on social media, Like do the
opposite of what Shannon Sharp does. Just don't go on
social media, dude, and like at any point, like because
it is not not a kind place to be, Like
a five seventy or the Dodgers could post anything about
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a game and a result, and if Chris Taylor appeared
in that game, there will be a comment in the
comments section about Chris Taylor, like there was like a
harmless post lesson it might've been Vassay who posted it,
or's somebody and just like one of the first comments
was don't ever start Chris Taylor again. Okay, like never mind, Like,
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don's celebrate the win because yeah, I listen, he had
an air that could have been even more costly at
that point in time. But he he is enemy number
one for the Dodgers. Whatever, there is a struggle or
some sort of an issue that's popped up. So your guy,
Chris Taylor, listen, I'm with you. We tried to let
everybody to calm down and be patient when it came
to Chris Taylor, but apparently they were still resentful of
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his performance over the past couple of months.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay, So he now has her passed Dave Roberts in
the it's his fault category.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh no, that's shocking, no one, Dave Robins.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, it's Chris Taylor well ahead of Dave Roberts at
this point from what I've seen. I mean, but again,
we get to the postseason, all of that's going to
change because Dave Roberts will be the blame guy, the
fall guy throughout the course of the postseason.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Like especially if Chris Taylor makes a mistake, then it's
a double whammy DFA, Chris Taylor and fire Dave Robins,
right right, what are you doing? Everybody believe that Dave
Roberts made the decision. By the way, keep Chris Taylor
and get rid of Jason Hayward. Here's a secret, it's
not Dave's call. He'll be in the room, he'll have
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a voice, but it's not his call. He didn't individually
personally decide that. I think that decision was made for him.
Yet everybody wanted to blame him. So what do you
expect with Roberts.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Have you ever heard Dave Roberts one time point blame
elsewhere when people have been critical of moves that he makes,
when like everybody knows that it's maybe not him making
those moves, like Chris Taylor, Like, that's the one thing
I'll give him credit for. I don't recall him ever
having a meltdown through all the criticism. I don't recall
him ever pointing fingers or pointing blame through all the criticism.
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He has just stood up there and taken all the
fire from everybody. And if this team falters in the
postseason this year, of course he's going to get some
of the blame, but I still think this has been
one of his better jobs as a manager that he's
put together in his entire time with the Dodgers, based
on everything he'd have had to deal with, the injuries,
all the other off field stuff. I think he's done
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a hell of a job this year.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
From day one when he would make decisions, and just understand,
he's grown as a manager over the years. He's not
the same guy he was when he started, because when
he started, he went by the book, and sometimes the
book failed him, and he would sit there and people
would ask him questions, and they were questions that anybody
watching would want to ask because he went by this book,
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and he would always say, I was comfortable to my decision.
I thought it was the thing to do there. Even
if he had been counseled before the game on moves
to make, always he always stood up and took it.
That's one thing about him. And if he's wrong, he'll
tell you he's wrong, and he'll also tell you why
he did what he did. I think the criticism of
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him is really unfair, but it doesn't matter because people
got to criticize them all the time, and I'm just
being honest. I think he's done a very good job.
I think that job's a lot harder than it seems.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yes, well, and also considering the fact that, yeah, they
add all this talent this year on an already loaded roster,
and the expectations were, well, they're going to win one
hundred and ten games, like, well, hold on a second,
like hold on, like there's still a ton of unknowns.
Things could pop up throughout the course of the year,
and so like to have to deal with the expectations
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the start of the year, all the other stuff that's
popped up throughout the course of the season and still
have them here. You could sit there and say, well, yeah,
all the talent they've gotten, well, it's not like all
the talent's been here at the same time, Mookie Betts
missed a bunch of games. Shohey o Tani had had
a degenerate flunky in his life that was stealing from him,
that could have gone sideways. Dave Roberts stayed cool through
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all of that. Max Muntsey injury, like all like the
arms that have gone down, trying to figure out the bullpen,
like all of that, and yet here he is just
kind of steady. This entire time. And the problem with
all this is that you and I are going to
back up Dave Roberts, We're gonna defend Chris Taylor, and
then you and I are going to get the heat
for this like that, We're gonna get buried because we're
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associating ourselves with the two people that are beaten crushed
by Dodger fans all year long.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Until Taylor makes a diving grabber, hits a big home run,
until Dave Roberts pulled somebody out of the bullpen in
a tight game and they shut him down one, two, three,
and all of a sudden, Dave Roberts is a genius,
and my god, thank god we didn't get rid of
Chris Taylor. People react on the spur of the moment,
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on the spur of the moment, boom, oh, something's got
to happen. That's not baseball, that's not how baseball is played.
It's a very long season, listen, and I was one
of the people early in the year get rid of
Gavin Lucks. It's a complete failure. It's a complete failure.
David Vass said on this very show, it's a trade deadline.
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Who'd want them? Who are you gonna trade them to
Nobody wants them. That's how bad Gavin Lux the season was.
Now you want to see him at the plate. They
stuck with him, They sat with him. They understand a
player's ceiling. Guys they don't think have high ceilings. Sometimes
they miss, but guys they don't think have high ceilings,
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despite the fact they play for the Dodgers, they move them.
Miguel Vargus moved them. No problem gone. And he was
supposed to be a superstar and they gave him a
chance to play. They didn't see what they wanted to see.
They thought he was not going to have this ceiling
they had hoped gone done. So if they're playing Gavin
lucks and when they send Chris Taylor out there, yes
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he makes a lot of mone so they've got to
do something with him. They believe he can perform. They
didn't believe Gavin Lux had hit the ceiling they set
with him. Dave Roberts will tell you, and so will
Andrew Friedman. We are very patient. They are patient because
it's a very long year. Now. The year gets shorter
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as we get into the playoffs, and then that's when
everything is on the table. That's when decisions have to
be made. By the way, do you think if they
get knocked out in the first rout of the playoffs,
Dave Robert survives.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Probably not. I would say probably not. I don't think
he can based on and I'm not saying that I
think that he should. I just don't think he can
based on all the talent that's there, all the narrative
surrounding it. It feels like they're gonna need a deep
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run this year, even though he's had to overcome a
lot of obstacles that we've laid out. I just I
can't imagine that he would survive again another postseason failure.
With the season that Shoheotani has put together and all
the talent that they've got, I just I can't see it.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And what's interesting about that is that is despite the
fact you said this may be the best job managing
he's done.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like, I wouldn't fire him at all. Like I just
I this idea that like, well, you've got to go
out and you've got to win a World Series every year.
It's like, okay, well, how many times do you have
to see something fluky happen in the postseason before you
realize it's just a different game. Like it's like things
pop up, teams go on heaters, you get a bad
break here, somebody goes into slump. What happened last year?
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I don't put on Dave Roberts like Mookie Bets and
Freddie Freeman couldn't hit, So what is he supposed to do?
Sit them like after Game one and be like, hey, listen,
I got a feeling these guys are gonna struggle the
next couple of games. I'm gonna go ahead and sit him.
You mention if he just like benched Mookie Bets and
Freddie Freeman and just said I'm gonna go with somebody
else I trust at the plate, like he would have
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been gone mid season or mid series. So like he's
gonna put guys out there that he's gonna trust are
gonna get the best results, and you hope for the
best when you do. But ultimately he's on the players.
So I don't think he should be canned at all.
But I can't imagine that there would be another postseason
failure without somebody getting the blame, and that somebody would
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probably be Dave Roberts unfortunately, because I think he's done
a great job.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, somebody, And I've sent him any times. Somebody's always
got to get it. When things go sideways, when expectations
are to a certain level and then not delivered upon,
somebody's always got to get it. He wouldn't deserve it.
He'd work again if he chose in about five seconds.
But yeah, would you got to get it now.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
On the flip side of that, if we take a
more positive approach and make it about us, if they
have success and they go places, and Chris Taylor is
a big part of the reason why they win some
of these games. Are you going to demand an apology
on the air from the Dodger listeners here at a
five seventy who were so critical and took shots at
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you and Chris Taylor a few weeks ago when I
was sitting in Are you going to demand an apology
from them?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I'm not and I told you so, guy, But the
answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay, I'm not very good, Yeah, very good, But no.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
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mention Shannon sharparlier.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, he's been in the news a little bit over
the past couple of days.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
What is with that?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Very weird, it's very strange.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
All right, Well, you know, just for a moment, we should.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Talk out here in Thousand Oaks. We got it. We
got lit up pretty good. So fun, little fun, little rocker.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Is it just me to it seems like there's been
a series of these recently.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Which I mean, I would say is probably a good
thing because there's been this talk about the big one,
and like one of the theories that I've heard is that
every time there's like a small one, it alleviates the
build up of the big one. So it's better to
have you know, a four point seven here, a four
point seven there, than like a nine point five all
at once.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, you don't want that period.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, it alleviates some pressure, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, Because it just seems to me like there's been
a number of these these four point three point shakers recently.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well it's like, what's you like, we look around the
country and go, oh my god, so and so's got hurricanes,
they got tornadoes, somebody's got this, and it's like, what
does California have well earthquakes and wildfires at the same time.
It's like, Okay, you know, not everything is uh, you
know is easy going out here?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
No, No, not at all. But you have to understand
when we get these things, they are sporadic, right. I mean,
you'll get a little shake here, a little shake there,
but they're not every day. And the horrible fires going on,
we don't have those every day. The majority of the time,
we have pretty good weather. It's been a hot summer,
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but it's been a hot summer everywhere.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I do want to point out the fact that while
the earthquake was happening, I was using the bathroom. Oh good,
I still washed my hands solid. Yeah, So I just
want to I just want to make that clear that
that's no excuse for all you filthy slobs out there
that go use the bathroom. You go number one, God forbid,
you go to and you go straight for the door
and look at the sink almost as if like a seriously,
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like you give the sink a side eye on your
way out of a bathroom door. You are a filthy,
filthy slob midst of an earthquake while taking care of business,
And I still wash my hands afterwards.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's solid. That's good effort. Yeah, that's a good effort.
Of course, of your houstle lapsed. What difference would it make.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean, at least I'm clean, you know, I'm trying
to look out for I'm making everything easier on everybody else.
Nobody needs a sort of filthy jerrems. So it's not
about me, It's about we own couch.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, that being said, and I just want to touch
on this quickly here you're starting to laugh. I mean,
it's sports talk radio audience, so I think we can
at least touch on it. What m was Shannon Sharp?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I mean, apparently he went on IG live without knowing
it and was in the midst of having an encounter
with with somebody of sexual nature. He went and said
that he was hacked, and then finally came clean and said,
you know, I just you know, I made a mistake.
(25:45):
I didn't realize I was on IG Live. Some people
have called in to question that, like how do you
not know? You kind of have to do a couple
of things to get there before you start recording, and
then you ended up recording and then you've got you know,
other people that have called him out and said that,
you know, like Antonio Brown, like Antonio Brown does not care,
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like he was, like when your hashtag on your Twitter
account is hashtag CTESPN, like you do not care. So
Antonio Brown has ran with it. Terrell Owen's got blocked
for some claims that he made against Shannon Sharp. Chado
Cho Cinco during their podcast went on to say, I'm
(26:28):
just glad that the woman's name you were talking to
was Michelle and not a Michael. Like there's it is
really like, you know, because there's just some stuff out there,
but again like that's you know, that's somebody else's business.
And and apparently Shannon Sharp was unaware that he was
on you know, IG live.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So a couple of things from what I read, nobody
saw anything, right.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, you just heard some things.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
What was going on?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean just you know, some heavy breathing moaning.
The name Michelle was said, I believe once or twice,
and uh, it's really weird. It's just it's really weird.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Like see, I don't understand, uh and you said this,
I mean, can I would my phone go on Instagram
live right now just sitting here? I know, no, if
I'm walking down the street and I see you and
I walk across talking to you. Does my phone go
on Instagram Live right now?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Like listen, Like it's one thing if your phone, like
you know, you can get to the to the camera
from the locked screen position on your phone, you just
swipe up, Like that's one thing to where like you know,
my son has grabbed my phone when it's been off
and he's just started messing with it, and all of
a sudden he takes a picture like he's not getting
on ig live though, Like he's not. He's not logging
(27:44):
onto my Instagram first of all, because I hardly log
onto it, and then getting to ig live and then
posting that and uh, you know, needing their assistant to
let him know, like hey, you're on ig live right
now on your other phone. Like so the whole thing
is very strange. But maybe there was a motive. Maybe
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there's a method to the madness. Either way, very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
What do we know about Michelle?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We don't know much about Michelle. I mean some people
have done a deep dive to try and see who
that is, and others have have a kind of thrown
out there. Maybe it's a cover up. You know, maybe
they're maybe like, look, man, it just but that's the problem.
If stuff like this gets out there, you put yourself
(28:33):
on the tracks with the social media train coming through,
and they're going to have no mercy on you. And
so when you make a mistake like that. I mean,
but you know, it's the usual suspects. Jason Whitlock called
him Shannon Kardashian. Uh, the whole We live in a
very very strange time. It's a very very bizarre time.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
That we are living.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So that's your sports media world, Fred.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You love it, There it is.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You can't get it off, No, I can't, all right.
Uh so everybody loves Big Poppy. You love Big Poppy
in the Fox Show, right, Hell yeah, he's great. It
does a great job, Yeah he does. He brings energy, life, enthusiasm.
And if you remember, Big Poppy was a DH because
quite frankly, I mean that's about what he could do.
I mean, where's he gonna run to? He wasn't anywhere, geez.
(29:29):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I'm you don't think he could play first base or
he didn't play first base from time to time.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yes, I think he did. But the point is he
wasn't gonna steal a lot of basses, and he was
there to hit. He was there to hit, yeah, and
there and he hit what he hit. So he's on
the Fox Show now, and uh, I don't know if
he has some issues with Otani, who will be the
National League Most Viable Player and should be yes, But
(29:57):
he said, you know, he was a d H two
David tease and he wasn't the most valuable player. And
he said, I'm gonna see what they're gonna say this
year when Otani, the pretty girl of MLB is in
the race. Okay, big Poppy, mean, big Poppy. Come on,
he is the race. He is the most valuable player,
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and next year when he pitches, it will dot that
exclamation point home run stolen bases averages RBI. Who's having
a better year? No, right, So whether you're the DH
or the starting third baseman, who's having a better year nobody.
(30:44):
So for him to say, I want to see this
year when they o Tani, the pretty girl of MLB
is in the race. It might be the pretty girl,
but I don't think anybody can argue he's the best girl.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I'd like, I mean, I would argue he's not a girl.
But again, you know, just splitting hairs here.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
We don't need to go back into the Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Com Yeah, like you know, yeah, that's you know, that's
kind of where I want to keep it. But then
you know, like he makes the comment Ortiz where he says,
you know, every day they're encouraging Otani to reach fifty
to fifty while players like Francisco Lindor being held back.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Who's holding you back?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Okay, so what do you want to do? Not acknowledge
the greatest feat in the history of baseball? Just so
Francisco can Lindor can feel better about himself? Like like
what always like what do you want? What?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Who's how can he be held back?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Look? And I don't look, I have no idea what
sort of bitterness there is here. Maybe there's a you know,
it's a threat to some of his records and he
doesn't like the attention, or maybe Francisco Lindor is his
guy and he wants to make sure like, yeah, Francisco
Lindor's had a great year, Like nobody's denying that, and
it would be potentially an MVP year in a lot
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of other years. But the problem is he chose the
wrong year to have a great season. When Otani's doing
something we've never seen before, like he's on the rank
of fifty to fifty, We've never seen it before. And yes,
he's getting a lot of coverage because he should get
and I would argue he doesn't get enough coverage, Like
with the popularity of the NFL, it's almost like people
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nationally and I can say this because I do national shows,
like we don't have the opportunity to talk about Otani
a lot because football and all the other storylines that
are out there. And I would argue, it's one of
the most impressive things we've seen in sports in a
long ass time. But from a national standpoint, it doesn't
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get the love. So I would push back on Ortiz
and say, dude, it doesn't. It's not getting nearly as
enough attention as it should for how great the year's been.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
As we continue on, you thought the pack the PAC
twelve was dead on now oh it's not dead, my friend.
Come on, it's going to be well, not bigger, not better,
but it's still going to exist. And we'll talk about
Jonas not today and throw back Thursday for Rodney Long.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
With the PAC twelve, I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I mean, look, look, look, just because you lost USC
and UCLA, just because Arizona State and Arizona are gone,
because Utah and Colorado jump ship, because Oregon and Washington
said goodbye, Yeah, Stanford and cal yeah they left as well. Yeah,
that doesn't mean the PAC twelve has been neutered.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Granted, there are two members of the PAC twelve, Oregon
State and Washington State, but not for much longer. The
return of the PAC twelve. Oh my gosh, you talk
about a conference that's gonna have people shake it in
their boots. Oregon State, Washington State plus here you go.
(33:54):
I know you're thinking some big names. I know you're
thinking maybe an SEC team and ACC team. Sure they
could jump ship. Sure, maybe you're thinking, you know what,
big ten, you went a little too far. Not everybody
wants a piece of that pie. They want their own.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Give us your Purdue, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Right, Maybe we'll just jump ship. Here you go, one
by one, give me your reaction to the new PAC twelve.
Oregon State love Corvallis, Washington State love Pullman. Nobody loves Pullman.
Here we are, jeez, Fresno State, you love Lettuce.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, I mean listen, Fox Sports Radio legend Eddie Garcia
is a Fresno State alum. He tells me the try
Tip sandwiches out in front of the stadium before games
are dynamite.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
There's the meat Presno State pack pie, San Diego State
PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I guess. I mean you know they're they're in California,
and I mean they're kind of local.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay, sure, Colorado State PAC twelve, welcome and let's wrap
it up. It'll give you the blues and football Boise State. Okay,
all right, the new PAC twelve. Boise State, Colorado State,
San Diego State, Fresno State, Oregon State, Washington State. Everybody
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has state in their name. And keep this in mind.
They're still looking for two more teams.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Okay, very good. So they want to go back to
the pack eight because it was the pack eight originally
correct correct back in the day, and then it expanded
to ten and then twelve. Like, they've got an opportunity
here if they really want to, if they've got the balls,
You've got six teams currently, right, So instead of going
what every other common reference does in college football and
throw the name in front of the number, do the
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number in front of the name and call it the
six pack, Like, let's really get creative and find something
edgy about this whole thing, all right, forget about adding
more teams. This is what you're gonna roll out and
you're proud of it. Like, don't go pack six six pack?
What do you think of the six pack? At least
it's got at least it's unique and got a little
edge to it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, I think you have to have at least eight
teams though, to be recognized.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay, well that's the issue. I also think this, how
much of the push to get Colorado State into the
new six pack or pack eight or whatever they're trying
is to try and please Petros Papadakis, who has been
a big supporter of Cam the Ram and his giant
bag that he walks around with between his legs. Apparently
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he's got a couple of street sweepers that he's got
to like, you know, be careful because they are just
dragging everywhere Cam. Yeah, Like you think, like you've ever
been behind somebody who's got a truck nuts on they're
driving like a you know, an F three point fifty
or a tundra Like not Yeah, and like, you know,
you just skip right past the truck nuts and go
what would that look like on a mascot for a
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college team? Apparently, and I have not seen it, but
Petros has Colorado State's mascot has got a pair of
watermelons that that are that are a little bit of
a problem for it at times. So how much of
that was trying to get a little bit of more
publicity for the conference by putting them in the PAC
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twelve where a legend like Petros himself can kind of
break this down further.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm sure that was a big part of it. Okay,
I mean what other schools could be available? By the way,
these these schools are leaving the Mountain West Conference?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And but is Hawaii you not going to get any love? Okay?
Like yeah, why does nobody want to? Like UCLA opened
up at Hawaii and then got there by like this,
does Hawaii like not get any sort of love? Like
because they played Hawaii they basically have had like three
weeks off to start off the year. Like why doesn't
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nobody want to participate in? Will the cost of flying
out there? Yeah? But it's awesome when you get there
and when they finally do get this stadium built, which
is probably going to take another decade. Like at least
you're going to have a place you can play in
front of and not you know, the tennis courts at
the stub Hub Center where you got like seven thousand
people there. So I just I feel like Hawaii's getting
(38:27):
a little bit, you know, getting the short end of
the stick here.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I don't know who else could go into the conference.
So they're going to need two more teams. Utah Tech.
Maybe I just made that up, all right, Utah Tech,
that's right, Utah Tech.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, Like if we were to break down, like if
you looked at the Mountain West, all right, and you
just were to look through and say, which team from
the Mountain West if you could pluck from there? Let
me go ahead and just give you some options here, Fred, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean, why can't we find like New Mexico State,
They're not in the Mountain West. Why do they have
to come from the Mountain West?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I got one for you. What do you got, UNLV?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh? You know that'd be solid.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yes, I would listen, give me you and LV and
gimme Hawaii, and all of a sudden, you got yourself
a damn conference, because not all because think about what
you've got. You bookend the entire conference, like, although I
guess Idaho's further away than Vegas, but the well, just
you know, play long. You bookend the conference and you go.
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You've got slot machines to the right, and you've got
palm trees to the left, and in the middle, you've
got a mascot with canalopes between his legs that has
been broken down on this station AM five seventy by
a respected host for years. You are literally like, there's
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a respected host, Petros, there's there's a Yeah, there's a
food group for everybody. If you could get UNLV and
Hawaii into the new PAC twelve and you're like, giant nuts,
I don't I've never seen them, just saying that's apparently
the legend of that mascot. I wouldn't know. That's not
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my you know, but you know Petros has told me so.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That would be a conference.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
The six pack right now currently play in the eight pack.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, yeah, call them the eight pack. I like that.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Do you find it funny though, that why couldn't you
have some sort of direction and motivation while you had
a legitimate conference, like Why wasn't there like a motivation
to get like a better TV deal or be proactive
at any point in time. Why did it take all
of this for them to finally go, oh no, no, no,
no wait, we do want to be legitimate. Let's go
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out and get a bunch of other teams from the
Mountain West. What was the delay?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I don't know, but if you're getting teams from the
Mountain West, are you legitimate?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Geez?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm just asking. All right, as we can continue on
in this two hours show because we have Thursday Night
football on tonight. Dela Hernandez at the Times will join
us next
Okay, we should, I mean, I guess we should.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And yeah, and somebody's taking a shot at show. Oh
then we go two hours today. Fred Rogan Jonas knuts
in for Rodney on se LA Sports. Bobby Miller last night,
he's going to get another start, but he does not
look right. As a matter of fact, he's looking more
wrong than right now in each start.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I mean, what gave it away last night? Was it
the inability to get people out?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The wait apple bomb, Wait, wait, let's just break it down,
all right, So what do you think gave it away?
Inability to get people out? That's one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
The Bellinger at bat felt like it was going to
go bad from the start. I don't know, I don't
know what. Like I just watching the at bat, I'm
like staying alive, staying alive, staying alive. And then once
Bellinger made contact, I was like, oh, that's gone, thanks,
so here we go. It's a one run game in
a game that shouldn't have been one run game at
(00:59):
all at any point in time. And it's another one
of those. And I was and I'll let you finish
your thought on Bobby Miller, because I had a question
I wanted to throw at you just about the entirety
of the series. Yes, So I'll let you finish your
thought on Bobby Miller, and then I want to pose
this to you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
My thought is he is one start away from not
being on the playoff roster. That is my thought. And
people are wondering, why are you giving him another shot?
Why in God's name you're gonna send him back out
there again. Well, two reasons. First, they need arms, yes,
and second they need to see what they have. It's
the Chris Taylor theory. We've got to see. We can't
(01:37):
give up yet. Maybe he'll get right the next go round,
So we've got to take the time and observe him.
He gets another crack at it, but it's going the
wrong way. He is going the wrong way, Walker, Bueller,
up and down. You really don't know what's going to happen.
(01:57):
Bobby Miller. He is going the wrong way. And I
really think he's one more start from you're not on
the playoff roster.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, and Dave, they're kind of in a spot to where,
well you're just hoping upon hope that he finds it
and figures it out. And so they're gonna give him
every opportunity up until the end. And I was thinking
this just watching the game last night, going if you
just based your opinion on whatever the Dodgers was going
into this and this, look, this is a three game
(02:28):
series against the Cubs, who are not going to the postseason,
but we know the Dodgers are following this three game
series like what you saw play out. Are you more
or less confident in the Dodgers heading into the postseason
because I'm less A lot of things presented themselves in
(02:51):
this series over the past couple of days, over the
past three days that seem really possible doomsday situation. It
could pop up in the postseason. And I've been as
optimistic and as positive and upbeat about the team. But
like last night's game, that shouldn't have been close, and
(03:11):
you can argue the Dodgers should have probably lost that
game last night if not for a couple of bonehead
base running mistakes by the Cubs, one being Pete Crow
Armstrong and Michael Bush not being able to figure out
you know, who's going and who should head to home
and who like the Cubs probably should have the lead
in that editing. And then you get to the ninth
(03:33):
and We're talking about the closer role yesterday and Kopik
like walks the bases loaded and could not find the
strike zone, and that was like another thing that possed.
So it's almost like you thought you would figure, like
had an understanding for who the team was and kind
of where their direction was, and hey, at least we're
trying to get players back, we're gonna be ready for
(03:53):
the postseason. And this series, every game something else. It's
like whack a mole, like what's up or what's a
playoff problem the Dodgers could could run into at some
point and this series, Oh, terrible, terrible defense that popped up,
you know, a closer not being able to find the
strike zone, another starter not being able to go the distance,
(04:17):
the bullpen melting down, like all of this stuff just
popped up. And I'm looking at this going, if you
just looked at this three game series, how do you
feel about it? Because I'm less confident that there's not
going to be issues in the postseason now than I
was before the series started.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And that's exactly why I am not concerned exactly why
those three games are a microcosm of what we've seen
all year long. Anything could happen in any moment. Anybody
can get hurt at any moment. Now, granted we haven't
seen that kind of port defense consistently, but the three games,
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if you're basing your feeling on, are you less confident now?
I don't think you should be less confident at all,
because this has been the season.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So you're at the same you're at the same level,
like you like these have been concerned like yeah, I man,
it's like the closer situation. And for that to play
out last night.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Like that one game, that's one game. Kopek is good
already struggled, and you asked the question yesterday why isn't
he the closer? Why? Because there's time to make that decision.
That's why yeh blake trying him. They're still trying to
shoehorn Evan Phillips back in. We know what Kopik can do.
They have to make a decision and they need to
(05:33):
put people in positions to see how they react. Yeah,
if that's a playoff game. Last night, he watched the
bases loaded in the ninth inning. You're probably gonna lose
a game if it's tied, if you're up by one,
you're probably gonna lose the game. That doesn't mean he's
going to walk the basis full every time, and moreover,
normally when he's in the game, it's not remotely close
(05:54):
to that. But you need to keep running him out
there to see, you know, the majority of the play
the guys that'll be on the roster, so let's just
figure out where they fit best. And I think that's
what they're doing now. Now I will say this, the
Cubs I think were down like nine runs one game
(06:14):
a couple of weeks ago, eight runs, and came back
and won, scored ten runs in an inning. The Cubs
can hit. The Cubs can't hit.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
On the road.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, yeah, they were playing on the road here and
they can hit. So you know, it's it's no crime
that you got tagged by him. A little bit to
the degree is another story, But that's a function to
the pitching. You talked about Yamamoto yesterday, all right, that's
the thumbs up. That's good. He's he's not hurting, he's
(06:43):
good to go. That was very important. When you talked
about Walker Bueler, he looked concerned, he looked lost, He
didn't look confident. That's a problem you send Bobby Miller
out there. That's a problem. But here's the thing, it
was probably have been in existence. Those problems have been
here with us, so they're nothing new. So if you
(07:07):
base your feeling on that three games against the Cubs,
that would mean all season long you thought they'd be
in trouble because that was symptomatic of what they've gone
through this year. The games.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, I just I'm looking at it going okay, So
now there's the potential of a closer, you know, having
issues Defensively, they're struggling, and I know, look at some
of these guys are not going to be in position
like this like they would be in the postseason. But
it's I just as optimistic and upbeat and positive and
they're gonna win, Like I still believe that. But now, man,
(07:42):
this series in Atlanta is a huge series like this
is you know, you're you're trying to distance yourself so
it doesn't have to come down to these games against
the Padres to try and you know, figure out who's
gonna run away. And I think they're gonna win the division.
I think they're gonna you know, be a top seed
in the NL playoffs. But this is not a flawless
(08:02):
team by any means, and at this point in the season,
I don't know that Dave Roberts expected he would have
this much to figure out before they got there.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, it was not a flawless team in the past
three games, but there have been games that looked very good.
So it really has been hit and miss and up
and down this year. And that's why I've remained calm
and I've said the same thing from the very beginning.
Get to October, we'll figure it out. Well, they're going
to get October. They will be in the playoffs. I
(08:32):
do believe that when the division as well, and then
we'll figure it out. And you know, there's nothing they're
gonna be able to do about the pitching situation. If
you if we're just to be.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Really honest, yeah, there's no time.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
There's no time, and there's no people. What are you
gonna do. You're gonna have to cobble things together. If
that's the case, I understand the concern and the frustration.
You know, Yah, Mamoto Flaherty. Let's hope klass now is
ready to go. Now, it's a crapshoot. At this point.
We don't know about Kershaw Bueller were not sure about Miller.
We're about done with You're gonna have to cobble it together.
(09:04):
And it doesn't matter how many times we say it.
They're gonna play those games and they're gonna have to
figure it out. Are they gonna have to go with
an opener, let him go too three innings, and then
bring somebody in a starter that hopefully can carry you
the rest of the way. Maybe Are they gonna have
to go more of a bullpen situation? Not ideal in
the playoffs because once you start that, you're burning guy's
(09:26):
arms out. But might they have to do that? Maybe
they might have to.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I mean, you're gonna have to rely on what you
weren't able to rely on last year, which is offensive production. Yes,
they're gonna have to score runs in the playoffs because
I looks as good as Flairty has been, I don't
know that. I'm like, whatever, Listen if they struggle to
plate and they go one for twenty one again, you
know at the top of the lineup, don't worry about it.
(09:52):
We got a guy who can get us through a
bunch of It's like, okay, well, I mean he can
he can be solid, But I don't know that you
look at him a shutdown pitcher that we've seen other
teams rely on in the past, and so it's gonna
have to rely on the offense. He's gonna have to
rely on Otani to set the table. I mean, Tommy
Edmund have a Tommy Edmund huh hitting bombs for the Dodgers,
(10:15):
nice little before the deadline acquisition, paying off dividends here
down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So a couple of years ago when they went out
and got Max Shuzer Rodney, you'll tell you the story,
and they threw in this guy named Trey Turner, and
I went on the other day and said, no, wait
a minute, I know you're excited about Max Scherzer. Trey
Turner is the guy. He was the other guy, and
he turned out to be ultimately the more important guy.
They got Flaerty and Tommy Edmund. Edmund is the guy,
(10:42):
and long term he will turn out to be the
more important guy. He's perfect for the Dodgers. He is perfect.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't sign a deal over
a number of years with them. I'd be shocked that
they let him walk out of.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh, so you're already going a long term deal for
Tommy Edmund, Like you're taking it that fort.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, what I'm taking is whatever the definition of a
deal is for a player like him. Yes, he's not
a superstar. He can play everywhere. He's not going to
hit three hundred, could steal thirty bases for you. He's
going to play incredible defense. He's going to be somebody
that you can count on every night. But he's not
(11:22):
Mookie Betts, and he's not Freddy Freeman, and he's not
Shoheo Tani. So whatever the definition of his value is,
I think they will sign him.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
By the way, Chris Taylor, man, like I hope he
doesn't spend any time on social media, Like do the
opposite of what Shannon Sharp does. Just don't go on
social media, dude, and like at any point, like because
it is not not a kind place to be, Like
a five seventy or the Dodgers could post anything about
(11:54):
a game and a result, and if Chris Taylor appeared
in that game, there will be a comment in the
comments section about Chris Taylor, like there was like a
harmless post lesson it might've been Vassay who posted it,
or's somebody and just like one of the first comments
was don't ever start Chris Taylor again. Okay, like never mind, Like,
(12:14):
don's celebrate the win because yeah, I listen, he had
an air that could have been even more costly at
that point in time. But he he is enemy number
one for the Dodgers. Whatever, there is a struggle or
some sort of an issue that's popped up. So your guy,
Chris Taylor, listen, I'm with you. We tried to let
everybody to calm down and be patient when it came
to Chris Taylor, but apparently they were still resentful of
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his performance over the past couple of months.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay, So he now has her passed Dave Roberts in
the it's his fault category.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh no, that's shocking, no one, Dave Robins.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, it's Chris Taylor well ahead of Dave Roberts at
this point from what I've seen. I mean, but again,
we get to the postseason, all of that's going to
change because Dave Roberts will be the blame guy, the
fall guy throughout the course of the postseason.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Like especially if Chris Taylor makes a mistake, then it's
a double whammy DFA, Chris Taylor and fire Dave Robins,
right right, what are you doing? Everybody believe that Dave
Roberts made the decision. By the way, keep Chris Taylor
and get rid of Jason Hayward. Here's a secret, it's
not Dave's call. He'll be in the room, he'll have
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a voice, but it's not his call. He didn't individually
personally decide that. I think that decision was made for him.
Yet everybody wanted to blame him. So what do you
expect with Roberts.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Have you ever heard Dave Roberts one time point blame
elsewhere when people have been critical of moves that he makes,
when like everybody knows that it's maybe not him making
those moves, like Chris Taylor, Like, that's the one thing
I'll give him credit for. I don't recall him ever
having a meltdown through all the criticism. I don't recall
him ever pointing fingers or pointing blame through all the criticism.
(14:02):
He has just stood up there and taken all the
fire from everybody. And if this team falters in the
postseason this year, of course he's going to get some
of the blame, but I still think this has been
one of his better jobs as a manager that he's
put together in his entire time with the Dodgers, based
on everything he'd have had to deal with, the injuries,
all the other off field stuff. I think he's done
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a hell of a job this year.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
From day one when he would make decisions, and just understand,
he's grown as a manager over the years. He's not
the same guy he was when he started, because when
he started, he went by the book, and sometimes the
book failed him, and he would sit there and people
would ask him questions, and they were questions that anybody
watching would want to ask because he went by this book,
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and he would always say, I was comfortable to my decision.
I thought it was the thing to do there. Even
if he had been counseled before the game on moves
to make, always he always stood up and took it.
That's one thing about him. And if he's wrong, he'll
tell you he's wrong, and he'll also tell you why
he did what he did. I think the criticism of
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him is really unfair, but it doesn't matter because people
got to criticize them all the time, and I'm just
being honest. I think he's done a very good job.
I think that job's a lot harder than it seems.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yes, well, and also considering the fact that, yeah, they
add all this talent this year on an already loaded roster,
and the expectations were, well, they're going to win one
hundred and ten games, like, well, hold on a second,
like hold on, like there's still a ton of unknowns.
Things could pop up throughout the course of the year,
and so like to have to deal with the expectations
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the start of the year, all the other stuff that's
popped up throughout the course of the season and still
have them here. You could sit there and say, well, yeah,
all the talent they've gotten, well, it's not like all
the talent's been here at the same time, Mookie Betts
missed a bunch of games. Shohey o Tani had had
a degenerate flunky in his life that was stealing from him,
that could have gone sideways. Dave Roberts stayed cool through
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all of that. Max Muntsey injury, like all like the
arms that have gone down, trying to figure out the bullpen,
like all of that, and yet here he is just
kind of steady. This entire time. And the problem with
all this is that you and I are going to
back up Dave Roberts, We're gonna defend Chris Taylor, and
then you and I are going to get the heat
for this like that, We're gonna get buried because we're
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associating ourselves with the two people that are beaten crushed
by Dodger fans all year long.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Until Taylor makes a diving grabber, hits a big home run,
until Dave Roberts pulled somebody out of the bullpen in
a tight game and they shut him down one, two, three,
and all of a sudden, Dave Roberts is a genius,
and my god, thank god we didn't get rid of
Chris Taylor. People react on the spur of the moment,
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on the spur of the moment, boom, oh, something's got
to happen. That's not baseball, that's not how baseball is played.
It's a very long season, listen, and I was one
of the people early in the year get rid of
Gavin Lucks. It's a complete failure. It's a complete failure.
David Vass said on this very show, it's a trade deadline.
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Who'd want them? Who are you gonna trade them to
Nobody wants them. That's how bad Gavin Lux the season was.
Now you want to see him at the plate. They
stuck with him, They sat with him. They understand a
player's ceiling. Guys they don't think have high ceilings. Sometimes
they miss, but guys they don't think have high ceilings,
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despite the fact they play for the Dodgers, they move them.
Miguel Vargus moved them. No problem gone. And he was
supposed to be a superstar and they gave him a
chance to play. They didn't see what they wanted to see.
They thought he was not going to have this ceiling
they had hoped gone done. So if they're playing Gavin
lucks and when they send Chris Taylor out there, yes
(17:59):
he makes a lot of mone so they've got to
do something with him. They believe he can perform. They
didn't believe Gavin Lux had hit the ceiling they set
with him. Dave Roberts will tell you, and so will
Andrew Friedman. We are very patient. They are patient because
it's a very long year. Now. The year gets shorter
(18:20):
as we get into the playoffs, and then that's when
everything is on the table. That's when decisions have to
be made. By the way, do you think if they
get knocked out in the first rout of the playoffs,
Dave Robert survives.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Probably not. I would say probably not. I don't think
he can based on and I'm not saying that I
think that he should. I just don't think he can
based on all the talent that's there, all the narrative
surrounding it. It feels like they're gonna need a deep
(19:04):
run this year, even though he's had to overcome a
lot of obstacles that we've laid out. I just I
can't imagine that he would survive again another postseason failure.
With the season that Shoheotani has put together and all
the talent that they've got, I just I can't see it.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And what's interesting about that is that is despite the
fact you said this may be the best job managing
he's done.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like, I wouldn't fire him at all. Like I just
I this idea that like, well, you've got to go
out and you've got to win a World Series every year.
It's like, okay, well, how many times do you have
to see something fluky happen in the postseason before you
realize it's just a different game. Like it's like things
pop up, teams go on heaters, you get a bad
break here, somebody goes into slump. What happened last year?
(19:49):
I don't put on Dave Roberts like Mookie Bets and
Freddie Freeman couldn't hit, So what is he supposed to do?
Sit them like after Game one and be like, hey, listen,
I got a feeling these guys are gonna struggle the
next couple of games. I'm gonna go ahead and sit him.
You mention if he just like benched Mookie Bets and
Freddie Freeman and just said I'm gonna go with somebody
else I trust at the plate, like he would have
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been gone mid season or mid series. So like he's
gonna put guys out there that he's gonna trust are
gonna get the best results, and you hope for the
best when you do. But ultimately he's on the players.
So I don't think he should be canned at all.
But I can't imagine that there would be another postseason
failure without somebody getting the blame, and that somebody would
(20:31):
probably be Dave Roberts unfortunately, because I think he's done
a great job.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, somebody, And I've sent him any times. Somebody's always
got to get it. When things go sideways, when expectations
are to a certain level and then not delivered upon,
somebody's always got to get it. He wouldn't deserve it.
He'd work again if he chose in about five seconds.
But yeah, would you got to get it now.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
On the flip side of that, if we take a
more positive approach and make it about us, if they
have success and they go places, and Chris Taylor is
a big part of the reason why they win some
of these games. Are you going to demand an apology
on the air from the Dodger listeners here at a
five seventy who were so critical and took shots at
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you and Chris Taylor a few weeks ago when I
was sitting in Are you going to demand an apology
from them?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I'm not and I told you so, guy, But the
answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay, I'm not very good, Yeah, very good, But no.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
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mention Shannon sharparlier.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, he's been in the news a little bit over
the past couple of days.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
What is with that?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Very weird, it's very strange.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
All right, Well, you know, just for a moment, we should.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Talk out here in Thousand Oaks. We got it. We
got lit up pretty good. So fun, little fun, little rocker.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Is it just me to it seems like there's been
a series of these recently.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Which I mean, I would say is probably a good
thing because there's been this talk about the big one,
and like one of the theories that I've heard is that
every time there's like a small one, it alleviates the
build up of the big one. So it's better to
have you know, a four point seven here, a four
point seven there, than like a nine point five all
at once.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, you don't want that period.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, it alleviates some pressure, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, Because it just seems to me like there's been
a number of these these four point three point shakers recently.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well it's like, what's you like, we look around the
country and go, oh my god, so and so's got hurricanes,
they got tornadoes, somebody's got this, and it's like, what
does California have well earthquakes and wildfires at the same time.
It's like, Okay, you know, not everything is uh, you
know is easy going out here?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
No, No, not at all. But you have to understand
when we get these things, they are sporadic, right. I mean,
you'll get a little shake here, a little shake there,
but they're not every day. And the horrible fires going on,
we don't have those every day. The majority of the time,
we have pretty good weather. It's been a hot summer,
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but it's been a hot summer everywhere.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I do want to point out the fact that while
the earthquake was happening, I was using the bathroom. Oh good,
I still washed my hands solid. Yeah, So I just
want to I just want to make that clear that
that's no excuse for all you filthy slobs out there
that go use the bathroom. You go number one, God forbid,
you go to and you go straight for the door
and look at the sink almost as if like a seriously,
(24:43):
like you give the sink a side eye on your
way out of a bathroom door. You are a filthy,
filthy slob midst of an earthquake while taking care of business,
And I still wash my hands afterwards.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's solid. That's good effort. Yeah, that's a good effort.
Of course, of your houstle lapsed. What difference would it make.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean, at least I'm clean, you know, I'm trying
to look out for I'm making everything easier on everybody else.
Nobody needs a sort of filthy jerrems. So it's not
about me, It's about we own couch.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, that being said, and I just want to touch
on this quickly here you're starting to laugh. I mean,
it's sports talk radio audience, so I think we can
at least touch on it. What m was Shannon Sharp?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I mean, apparently he went on IG live without knowing
it and was in the midst of having an encounter
with with somebody of sexual nature. He went and said
that he was hacked, and then finally came clean and said,
you know, I just you know, I made a mistake.
(25:45):
I didn't realize I was on IG Live. Some people
have called in to question that, like how do you
not know? You kind of have to do a couple
of things to get there before you start recording, and
then you ended up recording and then you've got you know,
other people that have called him out and said that,
you know, like Antonio Brown, like Antonio Brown does not care,
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like he was, like when your hashtag on your Twitter
account is hashtag CTESPN, like you do not care. So
Antonio Brown has ran with it. Terrell Owen's got blocked
for some claims that he made against Shannon Sharp. Chado
Cho Cinco during their podcast went on to say, I'm
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just glad that the woman's name you were talking to
was Michelle and not a Michael. Like there's it is
really like, you know, because there's just some stuff out there,
but again like that's you know, that's somebody else's business.
And and apparently Shannon Sharp was unaware that he was
on you know, IG live.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So a couple of things from what I read, nobody
saw anything, right.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, you just heard some things.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
What was going on?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, I mean just you know, some heavy breathing moaning.
The name Michelle was said, I believe once or twice,
and uh, it's really weird. It's just it's really weird.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Like see, I don't understand, uh and you said this,
I mean, can I would my phone go on Instagram
live right now just sitting here? I know, no, if
I'm walking down the street and I see you and
I walk across talking to you. Does my phone go
on Instagram Live right now?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Like listen, Like it's one thing if your phone, like
you know, you can get to the to the camera
from the locked screen position on your phone, you just
swipe up, Like that's one thing to where like you know,
my son has grabbed my phone when it's been off
and he's just started messing with it, and all of
a sudden he takes a picture like he's not getting
on ig live though, Like he's not. He's not logging
(27:44):
onto my Instagram first of all, because I hardly log
onto it, and then getting to ig live and then
posting that and uh, you know, needing their assistant to
let him know, like hey, you're on ig live right
now on your other phone. Like so the whole thing
is very strange. But maybe there was a motive. Maybe
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there's a method to the madness. Either way, very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
What do we know about Michelle?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We don't know much about Michelle. I mean some people
have done a deep dive to try and see who
that is, and others have have a kind of thrown
out there. Maybe it's a cover up. You know, maybe
they're maybe like, look, man, it just but that's the problem.
If stuff like this gets out there, you put yourself
(28:33):
on the tracks with the social media train coming through,
and they're going to have no mercy on you. And
so when you make a mistake like that. I mean,
but you know, it's the usual suspects. Jason Whitlock called
him Shannon Kardashian. Uh, the whole We live in a
very very strange time. It's a very very bizarre time.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
That we are living.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So that's your sports media world, Fred.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You love it, There it is.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You can't get it off, No, I can't, all right.
Uh so everybody loves Big Poppy. You love Big Poppy
in the Fox Show, right, Hell yeah, he's great. It
does a great job, Yeah he does. He brings energy, life, enthusiasm.
And if you remember, Big Poppy was a DH because
quite frankly, I mean that's about what he could do.
I mean, where's he gonna run to? He wasn't anywhere, geez.
(29:29):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I'm you don't think he could play first base or
he didn't play first base from time to time.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yes, I think he did. But the point is he
wasn't gonna steal a lot of basses, and he was
there to hit. He was there to hit, yeah, and
there and he hit what he hit. So he's on
the Fox Show now, and uh, I don't know if
he has some issues with Otani, who will be the
National League Most Viable Player and should be yes, But
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he said, you know, he was a d H two
David tease and he wasn't the most valuable player. And
he said, I'm gonna see what they're gonna say this
year when Otani, the pretty girl of MLB is in
the race. Okay, big Poppy, mean, big Poppy. Come on,
he is the race. He is the most valuable player,
(30:21):
and next year when he pitches, it will dot that
exclamation point home run stolen bases averages RBI. Who's having
a better year? No, right, So whether you're the DH
or the starting third baseman, who's having a better year nobody.
(30:44):
So for him to say, I want to see this
year when they o Tani, the pretty girl of MLB
is in the race. It might be the pretty girl,
but I don't think anybody can argue he's the best girl.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I'd like, I mean, I would argue he's not a girl.
But again, you know, just splitting hairs here.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
We don't need to go back into the Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Com Yeah, like you know, yeah, that's you know, that's
kind of where I want to keep it. But then
you know, like he makes the comment Ortiz where he says,
you know, every day they're encouraging Otani to reach fifty
to fifty while players like Francisco Lindor being held back.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Who's holding you back?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Okay, so what do you want to do? Not acknowledge
the greatest feat in the history of baseball? Just so
Francisco can Lindor can feel better about himself? Like like
what always like what do you want? What?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Who's how can he be held back?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Look? And I don't look, I have no idea what
sort of bitterness there is here. Maybe there's a you know,
it's a threat to some of his records and he
doesn't like the attention, or maybe Francisco Lindor is his
guy and he wants to make sure like, yeah, Francisco
Lindor's had a great year, Like nobody's denying that, and
it would be potentially an MVP year in a lot
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of other years. But the problem is he chose the
wrong year to have a great season. When Otani's doing
something we've never seen before, like he's on the rank
of fifty to fifty, We've never seen it before. And yes,
he's getting a lot of coverage because he should get
and I would argue he doesn't get enough coverage, Like
with the popularity of the NFL, it's almost like people
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nationally and I can say this because I do national shows,
like we don't have the opportunity to talk about Otani
a lot because football and all the other storylines that
are out there. And I would argue, it's one of
the most impressive things we've seen in sports in a
long ass time. But from a national standpoint, it doesn't
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get the love. So I would push back on Ortiz
and say, dude, it doesn't. It's not getting nearly as
enough attention as it should for how great the year's been.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
As we continue on, you thought the pack the PAC
twelve was dead on now oh it's not dead, my friend.
Come on, it's going to be well, not bigger, not better,
but it's still going to exist. And we'll talk about
Jonas not today and throw back Thursday for Rodney Long.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
With the PAC twelve, I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I mean, look, look, look, just because you lost USC
and UCLA, just because Arizona State and Arizona are gone,
because Utah and Colorado jump ship, because Oregon and Washington
said goodbye, Yeah, Stanford and cal yeah they left as well. Yeah,
that doesn't mean the PAC twelve has been neutered.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Granted, there are two members of the PAC twelve, Oregon
State and Washington State, but not for much longer. The
return of the PAC twelve. Oh my gosh, you talk
about a conference that's gonna have people shake it in
their boots. Oregon State, Washington State plus here you go.
(33:54):
I know you're thinking some big names. I know you're
thinking maybe an SEC team and ACC team. Sure they
could jump ship. Sure, maybe you're thinking, you know what,
big ten, you went a little too far. Not everybody
wants a piece of that pie. They want their own.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Give us your Purdue, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Right, Maybe we'll just jump ship. Here you go, one
by one, give me your reaction to the new PAC twelve.
Oregon State love Corvallis, Washington State love Pullman. Nobody loves Pullman.
Here we are, jeez, Fresno State, you love Lettuce.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, I mean listen, Fox Sports Radio legend Eddie Garcia
is a Fresno State alum. He tells me the try
Tip sandwiches out in front of the stadium before games
are dynamite.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
There's the meat Presno State pack pie, San Diego State
PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I guess. I mean you know they're they're in California,
and I mean they're kind of local.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay, sure, Colorado State PAC twelve, welcome and let's wrap
it up. It'll give you the blues and football Boise State. Okay,
all right, the new PAC twelve. Boise State, Colorado State,
San Diego State, Fresno State, Oregon State, Washington State. Everybody
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has state in their name. And keep this in mind.
They're still looking for two more teams.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Okay, very good. So they want to go back to
the pack eight because it was the pack eight originally
correct correct back in the day, and then it expanded
to ten and then twelve. Like, they've got an opportunity
here if they really want to, if they've got the balls,
You've got six teams currently, right, So instead of going
what every other common reference does in college football and
throw the name in front of the number, do the
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number in front of the name and call it the
six pack, Like, let's really get creative and find something
edgy about this whole thing, all right, forget about adding
more teams. This is what you're gonna roll out and
you're proud of it. Like, don't go pack six six pack?
What do you think of the six pack? At least
it's got at least it's unique and got a little
edge to it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, I think you have to have at least eight
teams though, to be recognized.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay, well that's the issue. I also think this, how
much of the push to get Colorado State into the
new six pack or pack eight or whatever they're trying
is to try and please Petros Papadakis, who has been
a big supporter of Cam the Ram and his giant
bag that he walks around with between his legs. Apparently
(36:50):
he's got a couple of street sweepers that he's got
to like, you know, be careful because they are just
dragging everywhere Cam. Yeah, Like you think, like you've ever
been behind somebody who's got a truck nuts on they're
driving like a you know, an F three point fifty
or a tundra Like not Yeah, and like, you know,
you just skip right past the truck nuts and go
what would that look like on a mascot for a
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college team? Apparently, and I have not seen it, but
Petros has Colorado State's mascot has got a pair of
watermelons that that are that are a little bit of
a problem for it at times. So how much of
that was trying to get a little bit of more
publicity for the conference by putting them in the PAC
(37:34):
twelve where a legend like Petros himself can kind of
break this down further.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm sure that was a big part of it. Okay,
I mean what other schools could be available? By the way,
these these schools are leaving the Mountain West Conference?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
And but is Hawaii you not going to get any love? Okay?
Like yeah, why does nobody want to? Like UCLA opened
up at Hawaii and then got there by like this,
does Hawaii like not get any sort of love? Like
because they played Hawaii they basically have had like three
weeks off to start off the year. Like why doesn't
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nobody want to participate in? Will the cost of flying
out there? Yeah? But it's awesome when you get there
and when they finally do get this stadium built, which
is probably going to take another decade. Like at least
you're going to have a place you can play in
front of and not you know, the tennis courts at
the stub Hub Center where you got like seven thousand
people there. So I just I feel like Hawaii's getting
(38:27):
a little bit, you know, getting the short end of
the stick here.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I don't know who else could go into the conference.
So they're going to need two more teams. Utah Tech.
Maybe I just made that up, all right, Utah Tech,
that's right, Utah Tech.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, Like if we were to break down, like if
you looked at the Mountain West, all right, and you
just were to look through and say, which team from
the Mountain West if you could pluck from there? Let
me go ahead and just give you some options here, Fred, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean, why can't we find like New Mexico State,
They're not in the Mountain West. Why do they have
to come from the Mountain West?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I got one for you. What do you got, UNLV?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Oh? You know that'd be solid.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yes, I would listen, give me you and LV and
gimme Hawaii, and all of a sudden, you got yourself
a damn conference, because not all because think about what
you've got. You bookend the entire conference, like, although I
guess Idaho's further away than Vegas, but the well, just
you know, play long. You bookend the conference and you go.
(39:26):
You've got slot machines to the right, and you've got
palm trees to the left, and in the middle, you've
got a mascot with canalopes between his legs that has
been broken down on this station AM five seventy by
a respected host for years. You are literally like, there's
(39:48):
a respected host, Petros, there's there's a Yeah, there's a
food group for everybody. If you could get UNLV and
Hawaii into the new PAC twelve and you're like, giant nuts,
I don't I've never seen them, just saying that's apparently
the legend of that mascot. I wouldn't know. That's not
(40:08):
my you know, but you know Petros has told me so.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That would be a conference.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
The six pack right now currently play in the eight pack.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, yeah, call them the eight pack. I like that.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Do you find it funny though, that why couldn't you
have some sort of direction and motivation while you had
a legitimate conference, like Why wasn't there like a motivation
to get like a better TV deal or be proactive
at any point in time. Why did it take all
of this for them to finally go, oh no, no, no,
no wait, we do want to be legitimate. Let's go
(40:42):
out and get a bunch of other teams from the
Mountain West. What was the delay?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I don't know, but if you're getting teams from the
Mountain West, are you legitimate?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Geez?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm just asking. All right, as we can continue on
in this two hours show because we have Thursday Night
football on tonight. Dela Hernandez at the Times will join
us next
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