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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is the Tender laure Casey After Show.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Does it record and go? So what we're doing? Okay,
welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 4 (00:28):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, started, we're doing it. We're doing started already. We're
a lot. No, we're not live. I was gonna streamer lave,
We're not live. What's happening?

Speaker 5 (00:35):
It is Tanneler in Casey's After Show podcast, turn online
at one of five nine, in bre dot com, your
iHeart radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Uh
courts in here this morning with us. Hi, Marcus is out.
I really wanted to talk to him because, man, the
Seahawks got just whooped on. Sorry, the Seahawks whooped on
the forty nine Ers. And you know, obviously he's a

(00:55):
massive forty nine Ers fan, and I want to know
if he cried or not.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
He was probably lipping out because he was at fan fest.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, and also with that game specifically, like there was
no there was no point at which you felt good,
like the opening drive touchdown, like okay, well this is
that's how this game is going.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
To be, I guess, And then didn't they run it
back again. It didn't end up counting, but I feel
like it was like the second or third play in
that they also they ran it back and then they
threw a flag or whatever, and I was like, damn,
they're just gonna keep doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Hyah was strong. And there was one great video I
saw of a forty nine Ers fan at the game
and he was decked out, man, all the forty nine
Ers gear, these chains had the big.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Goofy I saw those guys, yes, and.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
The crowd was going crazy because the first, you know,
first play right away knocked it out of the park
and then the camera slowly pans to him and he's
just he's stoic deer in the head light.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, he had that look on like are you fing
kidding me?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I spent all this money to come to this. Yeah yeah,
six points? Yep, six points? And that what Marcus say
he was doing this week?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I can't remember. I'm gonna call him out of town.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I'm not sure anyway, Sorry, we're gonna say yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I mean I was one of those people who, like
with every other football game, like you can miss the
first few seconds of the game because nothing ever happens,
somebody gets tackled, you know, in about five or ten yards.
And so I was in the bathroom and I came out.
My wife's like, yeah, they scored already.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I'm like what, I what, Yeah, that's I mean, casey.
I had to feel good though, being that massive.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Look that it oftentimes doesn't necessarily mean anything. You can
have one of those, you know, just right out of
the gate, you know, lucky breaks, and then not having
another one for the rest of the day.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, and I remember, I guess it was two years
ago now when it was the Niners and the Lions
in the game before the Super Bowl. If they won
this game, they were going to the Super Bowl. And
it was like zero to what after the first half,
and I was like, dude, yeah, the Lions have this
And then the score a single point in the second
half and got ruined thirty three to embarrassment.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
It was a final score.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
So yeah, So, I mean, anything could happen in the
second half of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
But oho, I had to call Marcus, but he's giants
and that's he didn't pay his bill. It sounds like yeah,
and that's usually how it happens, right, Like you think,
all right, everything's good, we'll go. But man, that halftime adjustment,
like I don't know what kind of pep talks happened
at halftime, but man, it can really redirect the games.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Because I had a little John there. You guys, I
could be.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
We were all upset because we were all watching the
game and they just skipped over the performance I did. Yeah,
I'm like, well I wanted to see a little John.
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Well, remember when Ozzie performed, they played like a verse
on TV and they cut right out and he was
lip syncing anyway, but obviously I didn't play very much
of it. Sorry, well, well we'll check in with with
Marcus next week. But yeah, it's it was a crazy
weekend for football. What are your predictions? Scored a lot
of people, including Google, AI says Patriots Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I mean that that is that's the obvious prediction, simply
because the Seahawks looks so good. Uh, and the the
Broncos now don't have their starting quarterback Bo Nicks, like
the last game, the last play of the game broke
his ankle and so he's out, and so the the
the Broncos are gonna be playing with their backup guy
against the Patriots, who are, you know, a pretty good team.

(04:07):
So it should end up being Seahawks Patriots. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Like I was telling Tanner off the air, we if
we can play with the confidence that we came in
with on Saturday, I think it's I'm not gonna say
we're gonna I think Saint Louis is going to give
us all we want.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
You mean, I'm sorry about that?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
We were.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
We were just talking about it a few minutes ago.
So just settled in when they moved and whatever. But yes,
I feel like, I mean, LA is a tough team.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
So yeah, I think everyone who's feeling so confident about
the Seahawks, I wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, like I'd like
to think that the Seahawks are gonna blowing out.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
But the Rams are putting Kayenne Pepper in their socks
to keep warm. Yeah, you know that sucks a hardened
man right there.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I really thought they were going to struggle, Like,
I mean, it's like man going in playing the Bears
at home in the cold. That's a different maker. And and
that separates the wheat from the chaff, if you will, right,
like I mean, and you're and they handled it, and
that's kind of scary.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean that. And that game was fun to watch too,
because they came down to that last second to pass
was wild. One of the craziest passes I've ever seen.
It was the end of the fourth quarter. I don't
know the quarterback's.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Name, but Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, they go and he ran probably twenty yards of
the wrong direction and threw it over his shoulder, yeah,
and right into the corner of the end zone and
and and nailed it perfectly.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
So well, it's so funny.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
I love to look at fan reactions, you know, Like
I felt so bad for Bill's fans over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know, they just they just I felt bad for
Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
You know that poor guy looked like he wanted to
just walk right into the ocean like Godzilla. Yeah, And
then watching the fan reactions of them melt down the
internet is it's a It's a pleasure of mine, a
guilty pleasure.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Josh Allen is incapable of going to the he is
he is incapable of going to the super Bowl. I
don't know what it is. I don't know what the
I don't know if it's the the NFL gods, I
don't know. But this man is cooked from getting a
super Bowl. This man is so cut.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
Bro, this nigga can't get past the ANTS championship, can't
make it. Like, Bro, he gotta be zero in fucking
eighteen in the postseason. Josh Allen, Why why why can't.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
We get over this?

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Hulp?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Just one, just one meltdown?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
It is an interesting thing, and like, is it is
it pressure? Is it just the fact that you're tired
by the end of the season, You've been beat up
a little bit?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Like, but I mean you could say that about any team.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I get it, That's what I'm saying, Like, what what
causes that hardship?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I guess they were postseason.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Maybe they were playing in Denver, right, So that's I mean,
that's tough because the elevation and you know, that's that's real.
The altitude sickness is real for sure. But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, I mean, but everybody's got to be ready to
play there. I mean, that's the thing. So, I mean
it's everybody had an equal chance of ending up in Denver,
and so you got to be ready for it.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and you would think they would go in a
couple of days early and like acclimated, acclimated.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
There's a video I found and I can't find it
right now. But this kid, I don't know, he must
have been like fifteen or something, but he melt, you know,
melted down when the Bills lost, punched his wall a
couple of times, and you know when the little kids
like that, uh get upset. He was hitting not octaves
and only dogs can here oh so loud. But he's
everyone's everyone's a little heartbroken when they when they lose
something like that.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
When I see the videos of people like punching their
TV and stuff, I'm like, like, what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Care going to really regret that?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, that's a control yourself man.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah. Yeah, you're a wake up in the morning when
you sober up and you're not angry anymore.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I'm such an idiot, they said, then you're you're still
angry and you don't have a.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
T Yeah, so now you're driving a Walmart trying to
get into TV like I think about the instant regret,
you know what I mean, Like as soon as you
do it and you see the screen just fizzle out,
you go, oh.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Man, now how much is it not a good choice?
Anybody got any sales right now?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah apparently though, By the way, the best sales are
around U super Bowl, the Super Bowl, you Black Friday.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Everybody wants to upgrade before the big game.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Here's a here's a Cowboys fan breaking his TV. He
stomped on it. The other guy just punched his teeth
and then he picked it up and and then need it. Yeah,
like it was like it was a bar fight.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
It's I mean, and then like there will be a
party full of people and you just ruined it for
every and everybody else in your.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
House thinks you're a psycho.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So I was just gonna say, like, uh, I've loved
the Seahawks forever. I've been in this situation where they
completely just rip your heart out. Never one time if
I thought I would destroy some property over.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
It, yeah, yeah worth it. Well.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean, I think folks here in the Pacific Northwest
have have grown that callous. Because you're you are expecting
to lose, you always like you're gonna get lifted up
to a certain point and you know it's coming at
the kicking the nuts is coming.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
If we set things on fire every time we lost,
there'd be nothing left.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
But I feel like, but like that that Cowboys fan,
they haven't been good for Kouite some time. That dude
should have been used to it.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, but that's cowboy attitude. You might be ready, you're
not angry, and then piss drunk angry. That's there's no
one between them in Texas.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
So all right, Well we'll find out what happens this
weekend with the NFC championship games and uh, and then
the Super Bowls February eighth.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, so yeah, well we'll have a game this weekend. Uh,
the I think is it the Pro Bowl is the
the weekend usually between the the AFC NFC championship games
and then the Super Bowl. So we'll have basically three
weeks before two weeks whatever.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
And we're going to do a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Bet.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
We talked about it on the show. Uh, you know,
we haven't figured out the details yet. We're got to
figure out who's going to get which team, who's going
to be on each team because it's got to be
like two people on a team, you know what I mean, Like, like,
you know, Laura and I will be on a team
or whoever.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
We haven't figured that out yet.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
And uh, and then the loser, the loser of the
super Bowl bet will have to text an X and
I miss you text.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah. It's gonna be real awkward.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, and it'll be because Casey's been married for almost
twenty years.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Same, Yeah, for almost thirty years.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
I feel like it would make sense for you and
I Tanner to partner with, Like we should each take
one of the long long term married guys.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I mean, the problem I have is I don't have
the phone number of any of my axes.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
My Facebook though, right, maybe I can send a Facebook message, I.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Can look I honestly, it has been.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
It's been a long time.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean pre Facebook. I mean there's I've been married
for so long that Facebook wasn't a thing. And it
really cell phones weren't that much of a thing.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Maybe Casey can text two exes, you know, if you
guys are on the same people we have to figure
out all that.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
He probably has a similar problem.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, why am I? Why am I losing? I don't
know nothing about nothing.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Well, we'll see, but that'll be the punishment for the
loser at least, and uh yeah, that'll be that'll be exciting.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
I love.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
This is the time.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
I was just telling these guys off the air. This
is the time where I every year I say to
myself during playoff time, well this is fun, man, I'm
gonna start. I'm gonna I'm gonna pick a squad and
watch all season. Next season and next season starts and
I don't.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, I mean, I always have that problem.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
It's fun right around now.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
With any sport, really, I don't. I don't get super
excited until the end of any season. I mean, the
Blazers are there are the only exception I'll watch. I'll
watch Blazer games anytime, but football, baseball, whatever, I have
to wait until there's something on the line I start.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I'm not watching baseball games. No, it's so boring. It
is so I don't even like watching during the playoff.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
I'm like, oh god, I mean they're fun to go to,
but yeah, sure, I mean I feel like you just
gotta love the game and be really passionate about that
team to to want to watch it on TV.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Like what was that one game, like a six hour game.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Oh yeah yeah, and then Thetroit Tigers blew it fly
to Detroit and the amount of time that game took
it you could truly to.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
But yeah, they're fun to go to.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
But you know, like, if we had a baseball team
here in Portland, dude, I'm all about it. I'll jump
on that vandwagon. I'll be super excited for opening Day,
we'll be playing hooky.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, we all better be excited about it because we're
gonna pay for that damn stadium.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
So do you think it's ever gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I maybe I don't. I don't think it should happen,
simply because it rains here too much. The way they
designed that thing, it doesn't have a parking lot. It's
open about the Mariners too, but there's there. I think
they have a roof on that way they do. It's retractable, yeah,
and they have.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, the parking But is it you know, is that
kind of organization here in Portland going to make enough
money to justify every tractable roof because that's got to
cost I mean, who the hell knows?

Speaker 4 (12:45):
I mean when you're already spending billions of dollars. You
might as well throw in another.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, yeah's another billion of our time million.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's some corregated plastic and throw up there or something.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I think simply because we kind of have a drought
in sports in this area. Uh, I think it would
probably be fine. I don't think it would I don't
think it would fail. I think, yes, there's a lot
of upfront expense, but I do think people are looking
for something to get behind.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I would I would like it. I'm telling you I
would get on board for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I would be more excited if we got a football team,
if if we got an NFL football team, I mean
all about that.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
For whatever reason, that just seems like a tougher put
to me. I don't know why that is. We I
don't know. I mean, can Portland. Is Portland big enough
to sustain it?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I mean, if we can sustain a baseball team, I
mean that's the same similar crowd size.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
And smaller teams.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
But I I just wonder, because you know, we'd be
competing with Seattle, you know, I feel like the people,
the big rich people are worried about that competing into
their bigger markets.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Sure, and with baseball, you got, you know, thirteen thousand
games a season. You have a little more, you know,
a little more runway to make your money back over a.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Season, assuming you fill the stadium every time. I mean
that even with the Mariners, Like if you go to
a Mariners game, like at the beginning of the season,
that place is you'll look, yeah, order full at best,
I mean it's very empty. So it's Yeah, baseball is
one of the And I think that's partly because there
are so many games. Like people are like, I'll miss
they can skip this one, I'll catch the next one,
and they keep saying, and.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Six more games this season, so it'll be fine. Yeah,
So as soon as we get one, I'll be there.
You know, we'll do some sort of broadcast. We'll do
a bacon and beer on the field. If there's a
bunch of stuff we didn't get a chance to talk
about on the live show today, like the killer elephant
that killed twenty two people like it once, Yeah, I
guess it's happened in India, but over the course of

(14:36):
ten days. No, it was over the course of ten days.
This elephant went on a rampage and killed twenty two people.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I saw a video of it.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
I didn't see it like stomping anybody, but I did
see eat somebody, like somebody it heated somebody, yeah, like
hit him with this trunk or whatever and the guy
would fly. Ye, but I didn't see it stomping anybody.
People definitely caennt hurt.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
After like the second or third person got killed by
this elephant. Why are you trying to get close to it?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well, that's the thing, like it was it like, does
it hang out in alleyways like it?

Speaker 4 (15:06):
I don't think an elephant can sneak up on you.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, leave it alone, you know.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
I don't know if they're picking on it or whatever,
but that ship pisses me off. But remember that one
story where the elephant killed a woman. They had her
funeral and then the elephant came up, showed up at
the funeral and stomped her body out. Again, Well I
just smelled her or something.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Get well, I mean, an elephant never forgets.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
What did that lady do to the elephant?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
This is why I like living where I live. I
don't have to worry about it. I don't have to
worry about getting strangled. By an anaconda in the middle
of the night.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, we have to worry about deer attacks.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, then they will mess you up too, That's that's true.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
That's sure.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And hookers you gotta worry about that too, are all
over the place.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, you know, they'll stab you, you see.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Do you see them a lot? And constantly?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yes, every time I take the dog for a walk,
there's I see a lady standing on the corner right
there by.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Eighty second said he saw like a sixty year old
hooker the other day.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Oh, that's common, And a lot of times you you
can't tell if they are actually sixty because they've been
doing your meth for so long. They're probably thirty, but.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
They were sixty.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yeah, okay, se Do you got hookers up in the
Vancouver area, No.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Not that I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
No.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I bet they are around a A I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Well I have heard that, honestly. Well, I don't want
to get into too much discussion about a.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I feel like hookers would be at every casino.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, I feel like I've heard some scuttle but about
that up there.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, that makes sense, but you're not getting the eighty
second hookers up there?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
No, no, high class class only up there.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
I don't about hih higher class yeh still Spearmount Casino
in the middle of nowhere. All right, what else do
we not talk about today?

Speaker 7 (16:42):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
See, Laura? Did you shoot your pants over the weekend?

Speaker 4 (16:47):
I didn't ship my pants over the weekend, though, did you?

Speaker 7 (16:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Did anyone here.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
A little squirt?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
What else do you not to talk about today?

Speaker 4 (16:59):
I don't know. I guess he covered it all.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I guess I did. I'm looking at the notes here.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Nothing else.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's all there is talk about.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, I mean that's all For the next couple of weeks.
It's just going to be football, football, football. That was
all good.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
I was digging into that story about the dude who
flipped off the president last week though, and that guy
like you here how.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Much money they raised for this dude?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Know how much?

Speaker 4 (17:19):
So like he's a billion dollars?

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah, he flipped the president off and told him me
he was like what a pedal protector or something like that,
And somebody started to go fund me, and it's like
a it's like a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, because he was he was working at the Ford
factory and he was he was representing the company, and
he said that and got immediately fired.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
I did don't think he got fired.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I think I think he got fired spend spended.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
With pay and I read that the Amazing was backing him.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Oh there you go. Yeah he's he's a union guy,
so yeah, he's Yeah, but I thought he got fired anyhow.
So he was there as part of the you know,
the Ford factory and and uh mouthed off a little
bit and got a burden return from the president.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
But like he could probably retire now, I would imagine.
I don't know how old he is, but you know,
depending on his age. If you've got a million dollars,
it's just somebody did you have to pay taxes on
GoFundMe stuff Like if someone raises one hundred grand you get.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Before you don't because really, yeah, because they're individual gifts.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Oh but I think go fundme takes it percent.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
I think it's fucked up though, If like you're trying
to raise money for cancer research or cancer treatment or
whatever and then go fund me takes twenty five, I mean.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
They got to stay in business somehow.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
You're gonna have to figure it out with eighty percent.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
I get it all right. I guess that's it today. Okay, yeah,
we will see you tomorrow. We'll have another pair of
Nicky Glazer tickets. She's gonna be Alon A and September.
You could be there too, and uh uh more cash.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
We'll see then.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
By Thanks for checking out Tanner, Laura and Casey's after
show on her iHeartRadio app. Listen live weekday morning six
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Saskia Inwood woke up one morning, knowing her life would never be the same. The night before, she learned the unimaginable – that the husband she knew in the light of day was a different person after dark. This season unpacks Saskia’s discovery of her husband’s secret life and her fight to bring him to justice. Along the way, we expose a crime that is just coming to light. This is also a story about the myth of the “perfect victim:” who gets believed, who gets doubted, and why. We follow Saskia as she works to reclaim her body, her voice, and her life. If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.

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