Carl Jones talks Martian Blueberry, Untold Boondocks Stories & more | S8 E4 | 1 on 1's w/Deuces - 1-on-1's w/Deuces

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Let me choose your character.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
All right, all right, all right, Welcome back to the
Geek Set podcast only podcasts that blend hip hop coaching
and geek coaching together. I'm your boy, Duces and this
is a special edition of One on one with Deuces.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I know I've been taking a hiatus.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
As you can see, we've been working on the Black
Geek documentary, so I haven't been doing interviews lately.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I got a call from the Big Homie and I
was like, you know what, let's make this happen, because
you know, with somebody like the man that I got
in here cause you answer, you know what I'm saying.
But as you can see, if you don't know, man,
I got the one and only, the most super dope,
one of the most dopest people I've met in this
industry by far, we got the one and only Carl

(01:10):
Jones of Marsh and Blueberry.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Bro. How you doing, Bro, I'm good man.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
How are you man?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know, just getting man, just working man.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I think you know the last time we uh we
chopped it up was a dream con, you know what
I'm saying, And that's when we premiered our trailer and
things have been going crazy with that and so now,
you know what I'm saying, we're just gearing up for
the next phase of that to try to you know,
finish out this dock and get things going. But you know,
just still you know, curating the culture, you know what

(01:40):
I'm saying, trying to be a positive vote, voicing the culture,
trying to be somebody that represents and put on for
this culture and everything like that. So I'm glad to
have you here because you know, as I you know,
as I always do on my interview platforms, is I
make sure that the people that I interview know that
they're that they're loved and appreciated. And the one great
thing that I've and love and seeing is the especially

(02:02):
with the emergence of Martian Blueberry. It's all the love
that you have been getting, you know, with just of
people chopping it up with you, people giving you a flowers.
You know, you've been making it a big effort to
go to where the culture is at.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
So I've been loving seeing all the love that been
coming your way.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Because I always want to make sure that our legends
and our heroes get supported. They also again like they
feel loved and everything. So that's been one of the
biggest things that I've been seeing. I've been seeing so
many new faces in this culture, and I've been seeing
the conversations that been had, and I just truly, truly
am blessed to have you here because I'm just like, yeah,
this person is doing great things for us, and I

(02:43):
get to have that conversation with them. So like, yeah, man, again,
as I tell you, every time I see you, imagine,
want to make sure you are know that you are
appreciated one thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Man, Man, no, thank you, bro. That I mean that
means a lot, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
I mean I'm honored, you know, to number one, to
be acknowledged like that, you know, but also just to
still be working in this industry and to be relevant,
you know.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
And and also man.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Like seeing the stuff that you know, we made years
ago still resonate with the culture, and and you know,
seeing how people truly like show up and support and
still stand behind everything that we that we created in
the past. Like even though even if it's like you know,
like years and years ago, but it's dope to see

(03:33):
it stand in the test of time. So I'm always
you know, really humble by that and just like appreciative,
you know, and just really have it. I mean, just
a genuine love for the fans man and people that
have been supporting me over the years.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know. Now yeah, and you know, and you know,
I woul let's let's I want to get into you know,
one of the reasons that we are here because uh
and it's funny because in our last.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Interview, when we had the interview, you threw it out there.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
You was like, man, you know, Tuesteak probably would have
went crazy in this era, and you like, man, I'm
thinking about bringing him back.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I'm thinking about bringing it back.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And then you know, he was like you know with
the Magnificent and everything. And then to see that you're
leaning more into that and bringing that out, it was.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Like it's kind of like you laid the bread crumbs.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
The thought was there, and then to see it work,
it is crazy, bro, Like that is that's been that's
been really dope to see. It's just that theorization of that, like,
oh man, I should bring that back.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh man, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
We my man apon Crocket you know he uh he
actually shot, you know, shot and produced and and uh,
this this film independently a hip hop story. I don't
know if you if you, if you got a chance
to check it out. But but he hit me up
because me and him go way back, Like we went
to high school together, so like you know what I mean,
like we so we you know, it's kind of it's

(04:50):
kind of cool that we both, you know, like took
a risk and came out here and and started, you know,
making our way in Hollywood or whatever. So like when
he hit me up to do a cameo in that
movie as Tube Steak, I was I went crazy. I
was like, yo, I got it, I got I got Yeah,
I gotta do this, man, because people people been asking
me about it, And to be honest, man, I was

(05:11):
kind of the reason why I hadn't done more with
it is this is gonna sound crazy, but like when
I was doing it, people didn't know it was a joke, right,
So like I was getting all of this like hate man,
Like it was like going in on me, like about
how dumb I was and how fat I was, all
this kind of shit, So you know, I was, I

(05:32):
don't know, managed it was kind of hurt me a little.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
The internet, bro, the Internet is ruthless.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
And if you're on the wrong side of the Internet,
it feels like everybody's against you.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
So like I was, I got to a point where
I was like, yo, because you know, it's funny. I
shot a bunch of New Tube steaks like some years ago. Yeah,
but I just didn't put them out because I'm like,
I'm sitting on like a bunch of episodes that I
never did anything with because just because I was like
I was, I was in my feelings like like.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Bro, so you know it's funny because like I said,
the Internet they do that to you.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
So I remember I was laid onto succession, right, and.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I'm like and so everybody was telling me about secession
and they kept on saying like it's like breaking bad,
the wire level good, right, So when I and that's
my fault for listening to how people painted and not
having a blank slate going in. So as I'm watching it,
I'm like, this ain't really like Game of Thrones the
wire breaking bad. So I said that on the timeline

(06:38):
when I tell you, a week straight everybody somebody told
me they was like, bro, you don't even deserve your
blue check mark.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I'm like, I just don't like the show, you.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Know, especially on Twitter, like Twitter's rufus, like they don't
you know, they don't play but you know, but you
know it's funny, man I say this, I like, I
appreciate it though, like I'm talking about at least I
appreciate like the critical thinking, you know, because like when
you when you go into because look, they hold us
to a certain I'm just thinking about in terms of
like creating content, right, Like they hold us to a

(07:11):
certain level of expectation and quality. And I know artists art, right,
so it's not like you know, you're creating art to
please everybody necessarily, but I do feel like we have
a responsibility to bring a certain level of quality and
entertainment and they hold us to it. Bro Like they
like like these niggas ain't gonna let you just get
away with anything, you know, like you gotta.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
You gotta, you gotta really show up and you gotta.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
But but it forces you to be a little bit
more creative and they dig a little deeper, you know
when it comes to social commentary and overall just like
your voice and and you know, so like I do,
I do appreciate it because it keeps me on my toes,
you know, right.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, And so you know with like one of the
things that like that's new with what you're working on.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You know, I want to get into the Bubble Boos mixtape.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Bro, like you put out you put out a mixtape
ass Thug We Well hosted by Thugnificent, which I love
for the for so much because I no I told you,
you know, when we're in our first interview, I spent
so much time trying to figure out who voiced the Magnificent.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
When I first heard it, right, I'm like, who is that?
Is that?

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And so then because for whatever reason, I think the
IMDb credit didn't have you on there at first. This
is like during the time when it was first out
and everything. So now it's definitely corrected. But now that
that's and so you know, and I always love Thugnificent
because it was like he was a ratchet rapper, but
he also was like, hey man, I'm just like out

(08:40):
here trying to live, fly and everything like that. So
then to bring Thugnificent back, got got them hosting mixtapes
and everything. Before we get into the meat and potatoes
of it, I did want to ask you because Thugnificent
isn't shy or rap beef and in a state of
world of what's going on right now, it seems like
Drake is up. What type what type of advice would

(09:01):
Thugnificence give k dot right now? Because k Dot is
on the clock. What do you think Doug dific would
suggest a k Dot?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Wow, that's a good question. What with Sugnificent?

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I mean, I mean, look, man, Thugnificent went after an
old nigga, but hating on him just because he lived
next door and was making too much noise with his party.
So like Magnificent don't have you know, he don't hold
no punches, bro, you know what I mean. He would
tell you know, he would tell k Dot you got
to go in.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
You can't. You can't let nobody get away with that,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
You know, I mean, I mean, regardless of what it is,
but you know, honestly, like I feel like it's just
good for the culture anyway, like just to see what
kind of you know, mental jousting, and you know what
I mean, and and and I mean it keeps even
those artists who are all really dope artists writing dope
lyricists but it keeps you on your toes, right, like
you can never get too comfortable. So like all of

(09:54):
that to me is good for the It's just good
for the art for him and and to be honest,
you know, And I fuck with Jake Cole heavy like
Jay like Jy Cole huh said me too? Yeah, Like
Jake Cole is like, like, I mean, hands down like
one of my favorite artists. And we both from the
same We're both from Fairville, North Carolina, right, So I
support him a million percent.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
But with that being said.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
I did feel like I was like, I think he
I think he might have he might have put too
much on it, really, like meaning like that apology I
think might not have been warranted really because I don't
think he said anything that was too crazy, you know
what I mean. Like, yeah, it was like it was
like you know, I mean, I mean, the bars was dope,

(10:38):
but it was more about the bars than it was
like I slept with your baby.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Mama, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Like it wasn't like, you know, he didn't say nothing
too crazy crazy really, so so I thought, like, I
don't know, I think I think he might have.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
He was maybe a little bit too too dramatic about it.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
But but you know, I also respect how he feels too,
because I mean, that's not really his thing.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
He hasn't liked.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
It's not like he made a name for himself off
a battle rapping, you know what I mean, And so like,
I get it, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
So here here's my perspective on it as well, because
I kind of got that same thing. And I was like,
as a non problematic black man who tried to protect
my own piece, I understand where he's coming from. My
thing I always said, I said, if he wasn't going
to like just really like engage in the verbal sparring,
then he shouldn't have put it out because then it
wouldn't because and now how we see things going, I think,

(11:32):
and this is just me. I have no I have
no proof of this, but I believe because Cole is
literally in the middle of this. Like I feel like
Kendrick and Drake really don't like each other, but Cole
got love for both Cole, I mean, Dot and Drake, right,
And so I feel like Cole came to the he
came to the party like, oh yeah, we rapp it.

(11:52):
Oh good, let's just rap against each other, right, and
then put this this out. I feel like he because
he probably talked to both of them. He probably talked
to the head out like yeah, I got you, and
that was like, hey, I do want to make sure
you know you know that me and Drake we're gonna
take it there. And then he called probably talked to
Drake and Drake's like, yeah, you know, we taking it there,
and Cole was like, oh, I thought we was just rapping.
I don't want none of this. I just I just
wanted to rap. I didn't know he was taking it there,

(12:13):
and that's why he did it, like, hey, just just
so everybody know all the parties involved, I just wanted
to rap. I don't really go I'm not invested in
this like that. So I so, uh, that's that's my
where I'm hanging my hat on with cold because he
hasn't really spoke on it since then, so until he
until he speaks, we really won't know. But like I'm
just thinking like maybe it's that, Maybe it's just that,

(12:35):
like he's just like, hey, this is about to get messy,
and I ain't trying to get messy.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I just really wanted to wrap. So let me just
get back out.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Of here right right right right, So.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
With the with the with the mixtape, right. So, uh,
I was listened to the mixtape a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
One.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
You got some really dope ass artists on there. You
got some artists that I've never heard of. You got,
you know what I'm saying, some artists that are like
top tier, like Larry June and everything. What sparked this
whole idea for the Bubble Goose Mixtape?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well, I mean, music has always been a big part
of everything that I've done in animation, you know what
I mean, And I mean you know, I mean all
the way back to the Boon Dogs, Like, you know,
music was really important to us.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know it was not only not only was you know, the.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Culture of hip hop a big influence in terms of
like the kind of stories we're telling and the characters
were created, and the you know what I'm saying, and
the and just the overall vibe and attitude of the
show the show. But I think just music itself literally
was just a big part of of of of everything
that I produced, from from Black Dynamite to Boon Knocks

(13:45):
to Freakingick the musical, which obviously is a musical, but
it's you know, it's also because I think hip hop
or rap music has basically served as a vehicle or
a way to contextualize our experience, right, It's always in that,
And so we aim to do the same thing and animation, you.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Know, with with with everything that.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
That I produce, like, I aim to do the same
thing to try to contextualize our experience like where we
are right now, and show like different aspects of the culture,
you know, through the eyes of various different characters, and
and and making sure that it resonates with the culture
and feels even lyrical sometimes like like even the way
you know, the characters interact with each other and the

(14:29):
way they talk. So like I say that to say,
music has always just been naturally infused in everything. So
so when Bubble goose Ballers came about, you know, we've
been thinking about different ways to introduce this IP to
the world without having to necessarily go through the TV
and film route first. And part of the reason why

(14:49):
is because you know, once you know, typically in Hollywood,
you create a project, you create an IP, and you
set it up if you if you if you're fortunate
enough to pay and set it up as a TV
show or film. A lot of times you have to
sell the rights, you know, sell the rights to that
i P outright, right, And and you know, if you're

(15:10):
fortunate enough to produce it and and get some back in,
you know, you might see some some profits. But in
terms of creative, creative control and actual and actually the
ability to to do other things with that i P
is it's very hard to do once you once you've
done that. So we introduced Bubble goose Ballers first as
as an as an NFT project. And I know, like

(15:33):
that word has like a lot of negative connotations, right,
but I understand why. But what we were doing was
an actual We were actually seating an IP using web
three and and and the digital ass the digital aspect
of it was a way for people to build a
community around that i P that can actually have stake

(15:53):
in the property as well, versus a lot of NFT
projects that are kind of smoking mirrors or more ponds scheme.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Is like, that's not what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
We use it as a way to truly, you know,
build a brand, and this is what we're doing now.
So when we started looking at ways to introduce this
i P before taking into Hollywood, a mixtape just seemed
like a great way to establish or to introduce the characters,
but also establish the vibe, you know what I'm saying.
And and and I think musically, like we you know,

(16:26):
there's a few things, so musically we wanted to we
wanted to carve out like a.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Real unique type of vibe. Right.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
So like a lot of the artists that you hear,
you know, a lot of them might be, you know,
considered as underground artists, so they may not necessarily be mainstream,
popular artists, but they're really really dope and really right.
And the production is crazy. And I gotta I gotta
give give a shout out to to to to me
because she's the one that that really brought the artists together.

(16:56):
And she's, uh, you know, she's she's like a legend
in the in the in the music, the game. And
so when I you know, she's a part of Marshal
Blueberry as well. And and and I haven't really spoken
much about Marshall Blueberry, but that's the Umbrella Companies, the
creative agency that we that that Bubble Goose Ballers falls under.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
We'll get it, We'll get into it. I got, I got.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's kind of.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
So that's that's kind of how it came about. And
and and yeah, and we just started, you know, they started,
they got in the studio, man and started putting some
fire together. And then I had to I had to,
you know, get that magnificent voice voice together because I
hadn't done it in a while, right, and uh and
and and honestly, it hurts my throat at pause when

(17:38):
I when I do it, so a lot of times,
even when I was recording for the show, I had
to do like half of the episode one day, half
of the episode.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Another day because that SHI was like you know, you.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Know, because I was I was actually because I was
screaming so much because I was trying to actually do Looter. Yeah,
lud Christ was supposed to play dignificent rig so I
was doing this hot, this kind of heightened characterized version
of Luda as a as a temp voice. But then
when Luda couldn't do it, I ended up getting the

(18:12):
job by default, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
But you know, so you know, you're not necessarily a
voice actor, but you got that, you got those credits, right,
and you got things where you've done references or then
you've done and then it end up being your voice
and for somebody like you, who was usually more so
around the creativeness of a show, getting to getting to
be the talent and the actor. And you have those

(18:37):
characters that hit like that right where it's like, hey,
I can be this character, you know at cons and
I can like people resonate with this character and there's
that love and the joy. Did you did it feel
good to step back in those shoes of magnificent?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Like, because like when I.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Was listening to the mixtape as I'm looking, I was like,
did he write this or is he freestyling these words?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Because I was like, and it.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Sound like was having a lot of fun doing these
audio drops and talking, and in parts of that it
felt dognificent.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Nigga, I bringed it in a bast, did it? Yeah? No,
it's fun, man, It's always fun.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
But that's the thing when we were when we were
doing The Boondocks, man, you know, I tell people this
all the time, like it was it was like a family,
you know, and so we we were just having fun.
And for a lot of us, most of us didn't
have much TV experience, you know, so you know, I mean, we.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Weren't we weren't like we weren't working. It didn't feel
like work.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
We were working a lot, we worked around the clock,
but it didn't feel like work because we were really
just like having fun, making each other laugh, you know,
even even I mean, I mean, you know, it's at
one point, like the first season of The Boondocks, we
were we were working out of like an old Sony
warehouse right where they kept like the Ghostbuster car and ship.

(20:02):
Like it was like, you know what I mean, like
because because they didn't think like, okay, we just put
the Nigga show in the you know what I'm saying.
In the little warehouse, we didn't have the windows. It
was like, I mean, then it was like at night
they would pump some chemicals into the ground and ship
and there was a big like electrical tower in the
parking lot. It was just like a place that nobody

(20:22):
should really be working. But but we were.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Working there in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
And then you know, once the show came out and
then actually started to get some traction, we ended up
we ended up getting the house in the valley, you know,
for for the office, and so we was literally like
hanging out having fun. So a lot of times, like
some of these ideas would come about because like you know,
me or Aaron or Yamara, somebody might have found like

(20:48):
a clip on YouTube or World Star Hip Hop. It
was like our morning paper, so like we might you know,
we'll see some stuff like you know, like like the
Booty Warrior actually came from an actual.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Clips that you know, a click.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
And but also like even but even characters like like
like a Tube Steak, you know, which was kind of
a combination of Gilly the Kid, Uncle Murder and some
other characters that you know, we would see just you
know on World Star during our downtime when we're just
hanging out in the office. So I think it became
like this place where we would just play and I

(21:23):
would just you know, I would do voices and we
would you know, pitch jokes and just like hang out.
And I think like that's why the show was so
special because it had all these you know, these I
had a family of creative people hanging out, you know
what I'm saying, and just doing what we would probably
do even if we wasn't getting paid for it.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, and you know, it's been dope seeing on your Instagram,
so you've been kind of going down memory lane and
posting behind the scenes and old photos and everything, and
I'm loving seeing like all the people also that was
involved in it, you know that are commenting like yo,
you know, I saw one of the comments I saw
that stood out was like Slink and Slink was like, man,
I wish we could to get the band back together,

(22:07):
and I'm just like, yo, I forgot Slink was there.
And then when you look at that cast, it's almost
as if like like there's like we think about the
big black cast of things that we have, you know,
think about in Living Color and how talented that cast was,
and you think about Martin and how talented that cast was,
and Fresh Prince and Jamie Fox and the Boondocks is

(22:27):
right there, because when you look at that talent that
came through that household, it's like yo, like Yo, there's
so many people, so many of our legends, so many
of our goats, and so many people that is right
now on the top of the game that was involved
in that, from hip hop to actors to comedians to
writers to voice actors, like yo, this cast was a

(22:51):
golded cast, and you know, it's one of the Like
it's funny because like the Boondocks kind of also has
that loure like it was it was gone to soon,
but it had right just enough gave us for just
classic non stop talking. It left such a big impact
on us, and we still to this day reference it

(23:13):
so much and want so much more. And now it's
getting kind of like that Simpsons lord, because now a
lot of things that are happening, people are like, oh hey,
the Bone Dogs talked about this, the Bone Dogs predicted this,
and it's just like that whole ip itself has just
been really dope.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Oh man, thank you. I mean, I mean yeah, I
mean you said it.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
It's a combination of having a really really amazing cast
but also having a really amazing group of creatives too,
on the writing side and on the animation side. Like
it was one of those I do believe it was
one of those moments in time where like, you know,
all the stars aligned, like we had just like the
right combination of people and it was at the right

(23:58):
time for to resid the way it did, you know,
because I don't think I mean that, I don't think
the crew gets enough credit because we had we had
some yo, I mean, I mean, and everybody is still
pretty much you know, working in the industry and doing
great things. But you know, Jamar Taylor's are really really talented.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Writer.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Ian Edwards was one of the writers on the show.
You know, it's really funny comedian, stand up comedian and writer, producer.
You know Rodney Barnes and I'm pretty sure people know
Rody Bars who's also a legend. But you know, Brian
ash is another person that you know, it was a
really really talented writer that that we went on to

(24:38):
do like Dynamite together and a few other things. But
then and on the acting side, you know, of course
we had you know, John Witherspoon and Regina King and
and you know you had secret Yard bro and Gary
Anthony Williams. But there was also like a lot of
the side characters, and you know, like because we would

(24:58):
cast sometimes we would just more because you know, the
show was more we haven't on regular normal people. It
wasn't like we didn't go to the typical voiceover bag
of actors all the time. Like sometimes we might get
Lil Wayne or you know what I'm saying, or you know,
some some more unconventional you know names and people that
that may not.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Quite be actors or voiceover actors.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
But but they brought a certain level of authenticity, but
also they brought something very unique personality wise to it.
So I think that was also a magic ingredient. And
the last thing I'll say is we also gave the
actors so much room to improv, right, So you know,

(25:42):
a lot of shows you got to stick right to
the script, you know, but we we realized that special
sauce was it was. It was a combination of both things.
It was, yeah, it was it was. It was the
writer's vision. But then once they got once we got
in the booth and we start having fun, that script
sometimes goes out the window and we start coming up
with ship right on the spot. That's that's better than

(26:02):
what was was written. So so I just say that
to say it was it was. It was fun, and
it was a it was a It was a just
a really talented group of people that came together at
the right time. And shout out to Aaron too, obviously,
you know, because that's what I mean. I mean, I mean,
that's that's who. That's who I learned everything from, basically,

(26:26):
you know.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
And I called Aaron the andre three Stacks of Anime
because nobody sees him no like he's been he's been
he's been missing or technically just just not been on
the scene, but he's still been working, like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And then when people do see him, it's like it's
that moment like you're seeing an icon.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
You're like, oh that Aaron, Like Yo, it's like, you
know what I'm saying, Like it's crazy, but yeah, yeah,
I mean he gave me.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
My first my first shot, you know, I mean, he
gave me, he gave me a chance, and and I
learned a lot from him, and you know, he put
a lot of people on and we you know, we
did a lot of great things together. It's unfortunate, like
we don't we don't talk today, you know, unfortunately, But
but yeah, I still got you know, I got nothing
but love and respect and honored for him.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
You know, I mean, what the fuck were talking about
here Fridays We are talking a brand new show bringing
you hilarious commentary about black characters like Goofy and.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
The whole the whole game.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
We all know that black they've been nigga.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
You said, Pete Black.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
He unckered rutkis.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, Pete Black of the.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Cartoon intro Dark Queen Up, nobody gonna join you.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
You gotta have around the anime drip.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And Jojos our Adventure.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
What I'm talking about it I want to be able
to have my polls just like want. I want to
throw it in there game nights.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I feel like Twister is gonna get people in some
positions that they don't need to be on.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
That's an HR Nightmara, it's a lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
And video games would have to be a two K
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Speaker 2 (28:00):
Feature induced Trippy.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Tune in Fridays only on YouTube. I mean, what the
fuck were talking about here?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
So back to the mixtape because the one I mean,
because the one thing that I really did love is
that this truly gave me mix tape vibes by the
transitions of how the songs is like you know, the
magnificent talking in between and everything. What was it your
decision to go mixtape versus like an album or was

(28:32):
like like how why was that the the vibe that
was chosen, Well.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
We wanted it to.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
The brand itself is a little throwback, right just because
of the mubble. Yeah, so I'll tell you just a
little bit about the idea behind bubble boots Baller. So,
you know, growing up in my neighborhood, like if you
had a bubble goose coat, you was you was balling, right,
you know. So I used to draw when I was
doing graffiti and creating my own characters and stuff, I

(28:59):
would draw these characters with bubble goose coats, you know,
because it was just like the dope.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Thing to do.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
So one day I created this goose with a bubble
goose coat, and and I you know, I just called
them bubble goose obviously, you know. And and this character
just kind of stayed in my sketch books for years
and years and years, and so you know, it does
have like a like a throwback kind of kind of
vibe and visual aesthetic. So we wanted to do something

(29:27):
that kind of felt a little throwback too. And you know,
because I'm also a big fan of like the old school,
like like clue mixtapes and juice.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
And sns and you know k Capri, you know, like
I was.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
I was a big mixtape As a matter of fact,
I used to sell mixtapes nigga before I came, before
I started working in animation and working in TV. I
was hustling mixtapes, like at clubs, going in barbershops and
beauty salons. I was on the street, you know, with movies,
you know, mixtapes, bootleg you know. So so it is kind

(30:03):
of a full circle also, like to do something that
you know because.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I used to. It's funny too because I was.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Talking to Blad because you know, I did a Blad
interview too, and you know, he's like I know him now,
like we're cool, and I used to sell blads mixtape.
I was bootlegging Blass mixtape at one time in barbershops.
So it's kind of weird now that I'm like, I'm
doing an interview with the same guy I was. I
was because he had because he had a fire like
Tupac mix and a and a Biggie and a Biggie

(30:31):
mix that was like a legendary in the mixtape game.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
If you haven't heard it, yo, yo, look it up.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Oh I know it, bro, bro, just like your your
your love for the mixtape error bro. I so similar.
I would sell the mixtapes. And that's why I said,
if I ever meet Hove, I gotta at least let
him know that like, hey, I apologize, because I was
in Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I was definitely.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I was definitely the reason that there was a fake
Blueprint mixed.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Hey, a Blueprint album being sold in there.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because I because I because I because I was I
was tech savvy. My pops has been a computer engineer
since I was born, so I knew about the internet,
so downloading music Napster, and I was tapped into the
New York mixtape Error.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
So because I was tapped in there, Milwaukee wasn't getting
a lot of that music. So I was making it.
When Blueprint was rumored to be.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Out, I was like, all right, well, I know that
Milwaukee ain't heard this freestyle.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
They ain't heard this random track.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
So I put it together and I had a People
were like, oh, I got the Brooke the Blueprint early.
I really didn't have it early, but it was just
like a couple of you know, it was like a
couple of tracks that lead some of the free styles
that he was dropping and everything. But hey, man, I
was like five hours a while I was there.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Let me tell you a crazy story, right, So it's
funny because my man, what the guy used to hustle
with he actually just came. He was at my house
yesterday and and I hadn't seen him in a few years.
But he lives he lives in Brooklyn now, but we
used to. It was funny because when the blueprint dropped,
he and I we had actually on nine eleven. On

(32:08):
nine eleven, we had, man, we had a whole lot
of blueprints. We had all I mean we had I
had to be like hundreds of copies, right, and were
just about to hit the street with it.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
It was it was, you know, it's pretty early.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
And then we got the we saw that the twin
tower towers, right, so you know, we stopped, We put
our bags down, We turned on the TV and our oyes,
this isn't this is in North Carolina though, so we're
you know, we're glued to the TV.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
You know, everybody's making phone calls trying to find out
what's going on.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
And we were just like, you know, we were sitting
there for like a couple of hours like oh ship,
this is crazy, right, And then we was.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like, shit, nigga, we got that blueprint. We got to
get out. YI and no, and we and we you know,
we we still went out.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
We still went out with with that, with that CD
and Yo, when I said we sold everything, we I
mean completely because I think if I remember correctly, I
think it was supposed to drop that day, but they
pushed it because of it because.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Of that or something. It was something like that, or
it did drop that day.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
But it did drop on it did drop.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah. Yeah, but we so we we we That's why
we we had to hit the street early. We got
rid of everything.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Hey that thing, that thing was moving, man, I swear
it was. So you know.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
So you said Mia was the one that was getting
the artist together and everything like that, right, Yeah, Now
did you did she give you a heads up on
like the tracks, like the artists or did you win?
Did you hear the final product and then you and
then you you saw the artists? Because I want to
I kind of want to, like Larry June probably was
the biggest name on there. I wanted to like, how

(33:46):
did you when you saw Larry June on the project?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Like?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
What was your thought process that was?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I flipped out? I mean, I mean, you know, because
I was.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
I mean, but she's, like I said, she's she's well connected,
but also she has a really really good ear. You know,
I'm saying, so it's not just artists you know that
even have a buzz. Necessarily, she's looking for artists that
really know how to put put it down, you know
what I mean. So so when she when she started
like sending me, sending me links and names like Loftville,

(34:15):
you know what I mean. Uh yeah, yeah, Hennessy snow Rewind,
you know what I mean. You know, Larry Jones. But
like these artists are just really dope, man, really really
really really dope.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And and so I I, you know, she she didn't
send me, She didn't send me.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
She sent me links to some of the artists music
that I wasn't familiar with.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
And then once once the once the once.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
The mixtape came together, she sent me a rough cut
of it, you know yeah, and then and then she was,
you know, and she was like, we just need magnificent
to you know, to bring it all together. So you know,
that's when I did the voice over. Once I had
a you know a sense of the whole vibe of
it all.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, and like those drops is what gave it that
mixtape film because you know, we if you grew up
in that mixtape error, you listen over mixtapes it be
that you be listening to a mixtape.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And then the DJ come on or the artists, and
it's like it's like the artist is talking to you specifically.
So like, I love the fact that you're like, oh yeah, man,
you know my fault y'all got to get.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Back to my lunch break like that, like the whole
aesthetics of it, man, Like it definitely hit and like, yo,
if you know what I'm saying, I definitely want to
make sure people go out and get that mixtape, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
And it's called Value one. So can we expect more
to come?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yes? Yes, sir? Well all right, it's already in the worst.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Okay, listen there, I'm goa thin you se it because
I already told. I already told Chris. I'm like, yo,
he ain't even tapping with me. You know, he must
don't know that. I look like I legit do music,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, I'm gonna
have to I'm gonna have to get you to chat.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
All right, Yeah, let's let's yeah, let's let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but so I did you know we talked,
We tapped a little bit on Marsian Blueberry. I do
want to kind of bring more in to that because
I think what you are building over there with Marsh
and Blueberry is necessary, is needed, and it's so important
now for somebody like yourself who also has been in

(36:12):
this game for a while, who has seen pretty much
the ups and downs within this industry.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Where does your motivation come from to do Marsh and Blueberry.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
That's a good question, you know what it comes from.
It comes from me wanting to create some type of
legacy for future black creators, but not just black creators,
but primarily black creators who may not necessarily have the
opportunities in front of them right or know what to

(36:45):
do in order to even make it in this industry,
how to get their foot in the door and to
stay in it right.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
But not only that, but.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
There's a lot of things that there's there's an educational
side of what we're doing too, where we're teaching artists
and creatives how to not only create a very strong
and solid ip with great characters and good stories, or
also teaching them how to find your voice, your own
personal voice, and making sure that you don't compromise that

(37:16):
voice and you can tell stories with integrity, but you
have to sometimes, you know, you have to sometimes thread
a needle in order to get it on TV and
in the theaters because you know, our culture typically I
mean things are somewhat changing, but our culture typically is
looked at it looked at or our stories are typically
looked at through this lens of you know, not having

(37:38):
global appeal or being universal.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Right, So there is a needle that you have to.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Thread, and there's a way that we need to translate
the cultures so that it is effective.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Right. And so these things aren't necessarily taught in school. Right.
So there's a lot of kids coming out of cal Arts.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
And they got and you know, they might be really
dope a season or not season, but trained animators and
so technically they know what they're doing, right. But then
there's or writers for that for that matter too. There's
writers that are coming out of school and they technically
know how to write and they you know what I mean,
and they know everything about writing. But then the business
side of it, the politics, and then also just the

(38:16):
emotional intelligence that goes into being a good storyteller. These
are things that are sometimes not that are sometimes overlooked.
So what we're so, what we're aiming to do is
one create really meaningful stories that speak to our culture
in a very nuanced way. But we're also onboarding new
creatives and doing more curating so that they have opportunities

(38:36):
to tell their stories too, and so we can.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
We can do more more.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I could be you know, kind of be more of
like a og or you know what I mean, like
like kind of you know.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Ushering in the new this new generation of creatives. You know.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
The last thing I'll say is the big inspiration behind
it as well, is is is ownership and creative freedom.
You know, we're set up in such a way that
the primary focus is to produce projects independently, and that
goes for TV, film and other verticals because we also

(39:12):
have a hand in collectible toys, we have a hand
in fashion, we have a hand in comic books and
graphic novels and also gaming. And the purpose of this
is to make sure that we explore all these various
verticals so that we can carve out as much ownership
as possible before going to Hollywood. Right, and this is

(39:33):
like if you look at like JK. Rowland with Harry Potter, right,
she successfully created a model where she built out an
entire empire off of her books and now she so
when she gives the film rights over to a studio,
it's fine because that becomes an expensive commercial for books,
and she still owns the IP and she still has
creative control over the IP. So these are things that
are really important to us. And this is the this

(39:56):
is this is kind of you know, our core model.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, and you know right now in this in this world,
I'm we're seeing that thought process that you have with
a lot of other creatives and stuff like that. You know,
I know, fifty just launched his his movie studio. Issa
they said that she signed a deal for her own
movie studio.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
You on the animated side, you're like, you know Tyler Perry,
what he's been doing. Like we're seeing more of that
of people saying, let's create our own, let's.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Do our own.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I do think it is extremely important in regards to
you know, like say they said building your own and
ownership and you know, a lot of people don't understand
the IP game like that, Like that is that is
longevity right there. That is something that when you when
you think about that, there's somebody.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, and like I'm just using a generalization.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Obviously there's faces to these people, but like there's somebody
who owns the Star Wars IP and think about everything
that came from that. There's somebody who owns the Marvel
IP or the DC IP and think about all the
stuff that goes through that. So you think about as
a black creative or just like if we you own
that IP and then you see all those things, you
see sereal boxes with that character that I like, you know,

(41:07):
and to know that that goes back to a black
creator or everything like that, like, to me, that's stuff
that I want to be behind. And those are the
things that I also want to make sure I highlight
and educate because it's like I am a true fan
of this culture through and through, you know, I like
the newcomers, I like the ogs, and I want to
be a bridge to kind of bridge everybody through. So

(41:29):
when I see people as doing it, that's why I
always champion the winners, but also champion the person who's
climbing to try to be the winner as well, because.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
It's like there's ways that both can exist.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I know in our culture, for whatever reason, showing
love always get thrown to oh man, you just dick
riding or whatever the case may be, and so I'm
the person that leans to it. So I'm like, fuck it,
if that's what you want to call it, whatever, because
you know what, I want to make sure that the
dope shit that I'm seeing gets highlighted because it's it's
a little self serving because I know that there's been

(42:02):
things that I've done in my career that I'm like, damn, man,
you know what, it would have been really dope if
this happened or if these people reported on it or
this looked like this way. And I always said, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I want to be there. I'm going to be the
change that I want.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
To see, right because I know for a fact that
if I was if I was listening to somebody's podcast
and they shouted me out or they said my name
to me, I'm like, hell, yeah, that's dope. But then
everybody wanted to put the cool face on and act like,
you know, that's whatever, and I'm just like, nah, fuck that.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
I'm gonna give everybody that love.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
So that way, if somebody thinks that my podcast is
the biggest podcast and I shot you out and you
feel that that's dope.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I want that for you.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
And you know what I'm saying, because I'm like, I
don't ever want anybody to have the thoughts that I
had where I'm like, damn, am I doing this for whatever?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
And I am a testament of showing that, like.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
To put your head down and work because the people
will come, and the industry will come, and the love
will come and stuff like that. So I really love
what Marsh and Blueberry is about, because, like I said,
there's not a lot of us in the animation.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
You're right, And you know, I think what happens too
is a lot of a lot of our people when
we when we have some success in this industry, we
never we don't look back, right. It's kind of like,
you know, like what happened to like plugging everybody else in?
Like why you ain't giving up the plug? You know?
You just you know, and that and that's and that's
what I see happening a lot. Not only that, but
we also don't even want to work together, you know,

(43:31):
And and I think that comes from there's a lot
of things I think play a part of that. But
there's this desperation to to this. There's such a desperation
that I see in this business for us wanting to
like make it right, and a lot of times would
do it at the others detriment and and and not
only that, but we don't realize how much more we
can accomplish together. And I know that sounds cliche, but

(43:52):
it's it's the reality. Like we we truly are. I
see a lot of people that they're just really happy
with getting a deal, right, Like if they get a
deal with Warner Brothers, they get to deal with Netflix,
they get a deal right, their name is mentioned in
the trades, and they get some development money and.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
And they're creating.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
You know, they're creating stuff for a particular studio, which
is not a bad thing, right, But if you look
at the what we stand in the gain if we
were to come together, bring our resources together, our talent together,
you know what I mean, and and create more opportunity
for other people that may not necessarily be able to

(44:28):
pitch a show to Netflix or pitch a show to
Warner brother Warner Brothers without having to sell their souls.
If you can create a place where we can incubate
original ip, you know, teach our people how to create
and own our stuff right into license, and you know,
there's there's lots of things to plan to it. You know,

(44:50):
we could really move the needle forward for the culture
versus like you know, like each of us individually getting
a cool deal and then going home and not really
doing anything that is going to be significant enough to
pave a way for people coming after us, like like
and that's that's and that's what.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I don't want to do.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
So we're we're our whole thing is is being we're
thinking inclusive and not exclusive, and I think that is
the future to me, is the future of all entrepreneur
entrepreneurs and capitalism. I think I think there's a social responsibility.
That's that people are starting to understand that you're not
just starting a business. You should be starting a business

(45:32):
thinking about how you can improve other people's lives or
in some way affect the world in a positive way.
So so everything that we do has a core value
attached to it, and it has and it has an
intention behind it. So it's never it's never never motivated
by money or the idea of success or the idea
of working with this company or that company. That's that's

(45:54):
not at the forefront of what we're doing. The forefront
of what we're doing is how do we move the
culture forward and create opportunities for more people and in
some way improve the situation, you know what I'm saying,
without sacrificing our own integrity.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, And you know when you have that type of mindset,
that's that's where things It reaches the people on a
more emotional level, because then now you're sitting there and
you're like, you get invested, right. You know, one of
the things that I love that I've been blessed with
is I've been blessed with the opportunity to see certain
people or certain things from the ground up, right. And

(46:30):
so you know, right now we're watching Marsian Blueberry from
the ground up. And I know it sounds crazy because
you know, you have so much work within this game,
but you know, you gotta think.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
You're this is a It's not necessarily a pivot, but
it is a pivot.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
It's like, Okay, I've been employed and I've been helping
build things. Now this is my opportunity to build something
and we're seeing that from the ground up. And I
like the care that you're taking because you know, a
lot of people go jump into things and the first
and it's like, oh, I'm gonna use all my resources
and everything, and then they're jumping into it and then
they speed through it and then.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Product that comes out is not the full vision.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
And then you hear from them later on and they say, oh, yeah, well,
you know, I wanted to get this out. I try this,
and you understand, like, oh, this is why this product
turned out this way. And every step that I've been seeing,
you know, watching from Afars, is like, oh, Carl is
taking his time.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
With this rollout of Martian Blueberry.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Carl is making sure that the pieces and the pillars
are there so that way, when it's full fledged time
and it's full fledged moment and the presentation to the
world and everything, that things are stable and they're able
to run. And I think that that's going to be
what creates, you know, the sustainability of Martian Blueberry because

(47:48):
you took your time with it.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You're right.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
And the other thing is, you know, we always I
always hear this, you know, you hear this term self love,
or you hear a lot of people we're talking about,
you know, you know, even independence, right, And when I
say and When I say independent model, I just mean
more so like raising the money our salves versus having
to always rely on the studio.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
But the word but independence in general, I think sometimes
it's taken out of context because you know, we all
need each other like.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
We need each other.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I'm saying human beings need each other. There's nothing on
this planet that doesn't function as a collective. You know,
you can go inside your own body and find where
you know what I mean. I mean everything in existence
is a collective of something, if it's atoms or cells
and organs, that creates a system and things work in
a system, so we we it's not really about finding

(48:43):
a way to do it with fewer people. It's it's
about finding a way to be It's about finding the
strategic finding the right strategic partnerships to create the universe
that that that that you that you envision, right, It's
like it's not and I say universe because I think
it's it's much larger when when you think more inclusively,

(49:06):
it's much It's much larger than a small group of
people starting a company. You know you can, you know
you can, you can find it and this is and
this is this is some of what we're doing is experimental,
you know, and which is also the thing that gets
me excited, is because we're trying to push boundaries and
do something innovative and and take risks to maybe create
a new form of production company or animation company. That

(49:29):
is that is that is that is not extractive always,
you know, and not thinking of what we can get
from a creative or what we can get from a
studio and what we can get from the audience. It's
more about how we can create some type of mutual
transaction between the two where even our audience can also
be stakeholders.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
This is and this is something that a lot of
people aren't necessarily on now, but if you go to
if when you start looking at the web three and NFTs,
they're already doing it. So then so it's not it's
not shareholder capitalism, it's stakeholder capitalism. And why that's important
is because as we're building these ips, just like the
success of the Boondocks, it wouldn't never be as successful

(50:11):
as it was if it wasn't for the fans, if
it wasn't for the people watching it, supporting it, talking
to other people about it.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Especially now with social media. These video games.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
A lot of these video games are popular because people
are playing them, recording themselves playing them, and talking to
people about them, building energy around them. Right, So why
do they not have any stake in those games?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Right?

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Because they are a huge reason why it is it
is a success. So that that's a big part of
what we're building as well, is an infrastructure that allows
fans and people that support us in the very beginning
to also have equity not only in the IP but
also the organization itself.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
The company is help you know, and this to me
is to me it is game changing only.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Because it's to your point, this is how you make
a true you make a true connection emotionally with with
your audience, right, but also you you you create an
opportunity for them to improve their lives as well. So
it's not just it's extracted. It's not just we create
a product and you pay us for it. You know,

(51:19):
as a as a consumer, we you know it's it's
it's a I can go on and on and no,
but that's it makes sense and you know, passionate about it.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
You know, I can tell but but you you've you've
but you've always had even from the first when you
was talking about it, just like even from back then
when you first told me about even the idea of it.
It's just like you've you can tell that passion and
a lot of times passion moves things, right, and that's
what's needed in regards to it.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
But on the other.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Side, and this is what I really just love about
the creations of things that you create and your mindset
with things, is that because you also have a very
dope comedic mind, right because you know a lot of
your works are embedded and you know culture, but you
also have that comedy and you know, the joke always
is you know, black people don't take anything serious. You know,
we always gonna find a joke in it and everything

(52:10):
in today's world. Do you think that your style of
comedy and that parodiness, do you think that it can
sustaining survive in this world?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Wow, that's a.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
So yeah, I think I think it can, right, But
I will say it is harder. It is definitely harder.
It's a lot more challenging. But I'm up for the
challenge because I feel like, I mean, look, there's not
like no one, no one has malicious intent, right, Like

(52:43):
meaning like we're creating content, and even if a network
or studio is nervous about it, everyone's looking out for
their best interests, the best interests of their company, the investors,
the board, all of these things play a part in it. People,
things that we don't necessarily factor in as creators because
we just like they won't let me do this, you know.
But there's a lot of things that play right. And

(53:04):
as you for me, as I begin to mature a
little bit more in this in this industry and actually
and able to see things from different angles, right, I
do understand how they're looking at it right, And and
a lot of times there, especially if you're talking about
like networks, you know, the fear comes from you know,
the pressure and the and the you know what what

(53:27):
you know, afraid that they're gonna be on the wrong
side of history.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
A lot of times, or being you know not or
being insensitive. Right.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
But I think it challenges us as creatives to find
a new way to tell our stories so that it
still resonates with people.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
It's kind of like it's like to me, I look
at it like it's like healing, right, because I'm a doctor, Sabie,
I don't know if you're familiar with doctor Sabe, but
absolutely so. Doctor Sabe was he was my mentor. He
taught me everything about herbs and health and everything right
change change my life and he's amazing. But one of
one of the things that he did as a healer is,
you know, he would have to find a way to

(54:09):
give you the medicine right without without your body rejecting it.
And that doesn't mean necessarily just because it tastes bad.
It means also you know, there's certain organs that may
not be functioning properly, and you still got to get
to a certain it's got to get to where it
needs to go right. So sometimes you have to find
you have to be sophisticated in your approach right so
that you can get so you can get the medicine

(54:30):
where it needs to go, so it does what it
needs to do. And and and so I think a
lot of times with the kind of content, especially because
a lot of stuff we do with satire and it's
it's social commentary. There's there's lamb mines everywhere, right, It's
just it's just what it is is because you know
we're dealing with hot topic, you know, hot button topics.
So so I don't I would never blame the audience

(54:54):
for getting upset because they were offended by something, or
I would never blame the studio or the network for
not necessarily taking a chance on doing it. I just
would challenge myself as a creative to find a more
intelligent way to articulate my visions so that I can
make it happen. And look, even if I still can't

(55:17):
do it that way, then I have to find another
way to tell my stories, maybe find another way to
distribute those stories. Right, So to answer your question, it's possible.
It's a lot more things you got to navigate around,
and I'm going I have experienced some of it now.
And there's been moments where, you know, just some battles

(55:38):
I wanted some of them I didn't, right, But that's life.
But the other thing that helped me to do is
when the door closes, twenty more of them open up
in my mind, you know, So I start finding other
avenues to do things, whether that's artistically, creatively or even

(56:00):
you know, on the business side.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, So with with that being said, because I mean,
like I said, I know you're tapped into the culture
and you tapped into was there is there anything that.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
You would love like in the past, you know, a
few like five ten.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Years that that you was like, Man, if I could
have period.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
This some boondogs, I would have loved to get my
hands on it.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Is there like a situation that you would have loved
to put your your imprint on?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Oh you Oh you mean like since the show went away?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Oh man, so many I mean so many, bro. It's
so many times where like I'll see stuff like I mean,
even with this this Diddy situation, man, it's like this
is oh man, It's like, I mean, who you know,
I would just love to see like Granddad at a
Diddy freak golf party, you know, just oh my god,

(56:53):
will play out.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I didn't even think about that, bro, Granddad because you know,
because you know e wound, he was just do it big.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
He would just do it big.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
For a vacation, so right right, you.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Know Granddad would be hilarious in that moment.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I ain't gonna hold you that that that would be legendary.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I want to ask a couple of music questions to
go back to it, because, uh, I know that a
lot of rappers reach out to you right, and they
tell you about how much what you created, whether it
is Black Dynamite or the Boondocks or just like just
they just in general and they talk, you know, they

(57:35):
they want they reach out to you.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Some of them they want to work.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Some of them they just want to let uh show
that love and that appreciation for it for somebody who
you know.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
You you you.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
You walk in this, in this life of humbleness, and
you walk into it and you you give love back
to a lot of people. How does it feel to
hear that from these people that are also larger than life,
but also they they're fanning out for you?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Like, how does that feel in those moments when you
have those interactions?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
It's crazy, bro, Like, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
I mean I'm always overwhelmed by I mean one it
could be one person that run into like, you know,
just it's hard to explain. You gotta understand. Man, Like
I'm a nigga, you know, I came from Fayeville, North Carolina. Man,
It's a small town with nobody was doing any of this.
And I grew up like during the crack epidemic, and
I've seen my my friends dying and getting locked up

(58:28):
and my whole neighborhood turn upside down overnight when that
shit hit like that. So, like, you know, when I
think back to where I came from and to be
privileged to do this, because it was always a dream
of minds since I was a kid, you know, like
I've been drawing since I could hold a pencil and
creating characters and trying to tell stories and write jokes

(58:50):
and stuff like that. I've been doing it, not ever
knowing how I would make any of this happen. So
if I ever have an opportunity with somebody is telling
me how much they appreciate something thing that I that
I made or or or contributed to, Like that ship
is everything to me, man, It's it's you know, like
I went to when I went to dream Con, but

(59:11):
that shit was emotional man to see, especially because you know,
cause I go to I go to conventions all the time,
like you know, San Diego, Karmic Con is is what
it is is a huge con and there's a lot
of fans there and things adult. But like, but dream
Con was something special because there was so many there
was so many black people there that.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
It was you know, you saw, you saw, you.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Saw what what the stuff that we made, how much
it meant to the culture in real time hearing people.
I mean, I just one guy was damned near in tears.
May almost made me cry as he was like going
back to a time when that show got him through
like a really really tough time in life, and like
you know what I'm saying. So so I stand there

(59:57):
for as long as I can. Like that, we had
a line of people saw like a dream comes alone,
and I mean each person was special to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
It was like I can't even really describe it. It's
just and I'm not just saying that, Like it's like
just to see people's eyes light up and to see
them laugh and start especially when they start imitating, like
like Yo, one nigga was dressed like uncle rutgis. I mean,
I was just like, it's just crazy. It's crazy, bro.
Then they had they had it was a Bashil brown,

(01:00:27):
there was a black dynamite. Then somebody was dressed up
like freaking it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You know, so it's like it's it's crazy. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
It's like, uh, I can't, I can't even put it
in the words. It's just it just really moves me,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Man, it's super dope.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
And then you know it's like again, it's one of
those things like I said, you're seeing legends and people
that are that are tapping in with you that are
like larger than life right now, you know, like say,
you know, you know you got people like you know,
I know, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Trippy Red MGK Metro booming question when you live with Metro?
Was this pre or post this?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Oh it was pre yo. Let me tell you something
funny about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
I guess I could, Like I said, now, you know
what's crazy is well, first of all the fact that
he because he reached out and I was like, I
was like blown away that he wanted to meet with me,
right uh, like I said, and I just understood your question.
Now thinking back, you're talking about people that were like
like you know, people more stabbed, like like artists and entertainers. Well,

(01:01:34):
I mean that's it's the same to me, like as
you know, is a nigga come up? Just like Uncle
Rutgis and Trippy read both of them. I get the
same feeling. It's you know what I mean, But I am,
But I am I'm sometimes taking aback like when someone
like you know, like metro booming reaches out and wants
to connect. So but we connected. And he's a big
fan of anime. That's the other thing. A lot of

(01:01:54):
these people they huge anime heads. Man, it's not like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
The whole creation of my podcast, I want to bring
people and show that to people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Bro, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
So it's not even like it's not even just like
I mean, yeah, they appreciate what I do, but they
also are like really in this ship, like they really
fuck with anime and they really are like comic book
animation heads, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
So so so we connected.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
What I was saying was funny about it is we
took a picture right, and so you know, my wife
loved she was she was taking the photo and it
was the area we were taking the photo because we
were at a studio, it was kind of dark, so
she was like, move over to the right, so we
got under the light and so I posted a picture
right and Nigga, I realized the track.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
List was be Yo, and it was, but it was
too late.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
It was too late, so I was like, so I
just I archived it, and I'm like, all right, maybe
I'm good. And you know, nobody's seen it. Nah, I
went to you know, it was like a week or
two later. I think it was like a week or
two later. My son has sent me a link, right
and it was all it was on Twitter, so so
I know the people at his labeled so I saw

(01:03:05):
I hit him up. I said, Yo, man, I I
don't know how this, I was an accident brought happen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
It's like, is it a problem? Is a problem, And
he was like, well, let's let's let's let's see what happens.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
So fortunately the album dropped like like two days later
or something like that, like shortly after that, so it
didn't create no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
But I was nervous.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I was like, I don't want I didn't want to
be that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
That's a hip hop moment, like a mother because you
can think about it, we all grew up in that
era with track list leaked and you see like that,
and so you just happened to be part of a motion,
a part of a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
When that happened, I throw under the bus. She did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
She's like she had us move over under the light
and that's you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
But I mean that's that's like I said, that is
always dope, and you know, I noticed that Metro was
a bit anime head when he started doing a lot
of stuff with the Spider Verse and I started seeing
the things that he was into. He's on my list
of people. I got a list of people in the
music industry that I want to have that conversation with
because you I mean, you know, I go in depth
and I feel like they're gonna get on there and somebody's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Gonna breathe better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
He's gona get on Breakfast Club and they're gonna be like,
oh yeah, you like Stussy and they're gonna do surface level.
But I would dive with people like Metro because I
know that, like you said, a lot of these cats
they are that they love this anime. You know, you
see you and you're seeing stars lean into it more,
you know, like I said, I had, I had an
interaction online and now that that now both of these

(01:04:37):
people are on my list, and I don't think nobody
called on. During Halloween last year, Swiss Beats and Alicia
Keys cosplay as Bears and I forgot who else, but
it was it was anime characters.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Oh I remember seeing that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I saw that, Yeah, and so I was like yo,
let me find out. They blurs and Alicia Keys were
flying back like yeah, we are really into this, and
I'm like, all right, so now I need to get
y'all on one on one would do this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
I need to have this conversation. And they have not
talked about it yet. I you know, I do I
do research.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I looked up and down to see have they ever
talked about anime and I said none of they haven't.
I was like, I need that conversation that happen on
geek set. I need that to be that and everything.
So but it is that you see you start seeing
that this culture it does a lot of people. This
is like there you know, whether it's the thing that
connect them with their kids, because I think that that's

(01:05:28):
what Alicia Keys said, is like me Swiss and our son,
that's what we connect over or it's something from their past.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
And they're like, yo, I really love this. It is
it does get to that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
So it's like it's one of those things that I
was like, I really want to continue to have that,
and that's I want to be the reporter of this culture,
and so I make sure I push to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
You know what I I realized there's a lot of
you know, he coined this phrase kiddolets now right, Like
it's like like kitttles Like that's I mean, that's really
we live in the era now where a lot of
us just.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Never grew up, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
And I think it's dope, you know, because we we
I mean, bro like, we got so many people, I
mean from you know, Meg thee Stallion you know, uh,
you know, development some stuff with her and yeah, metro Booming,
I mean, hit Boy, you know what I'm saying, Chief Keith, Yeah,

(01:06:20):
and stuff I can't really talk about yet, but like
you know, but she keep like I can't get into details,
but talking to Chris Brown's people bout some stuff. You know,
a lot of a lot of really dope people you said,
you know, Trippy Red, we got a project, you know,
and development with him. It's a lot of a lot
of really cool stuff on the you know, on the music,
on the music side of animation, you know, because that

(01:06:44):
but again, that's it's that's a big part I think
of of of what what I've done over the years.
It's been, it's been so I think it spoke to
a lot of those artists in a real way because
the same way their music speaks spoke to us in
a real way, you know, and and you you see
it reflected in in the in the in the animation
and then the world. So it's kind of it's just

(01:07:05):
super dup. Kyle's another you know, dope artists Denzel Curry,
Freddie Gibbs is oh and Rakim Miles another dope dope artist.
Actually he's more than the artist, that dude is. That
dude is like he's like he's like, honestly like the
next Pharrell. Yo, this nigga is crazy, Like I was

(01:07:27):
talking about create this creatively. He's a he's a genius.
He's he's insane. But yeah, but these are those are
just like some of the artists that that we're that
we got some stuff, some stuff bubbling with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I like to play on words.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
So then all right, where can people stay up to
date on what you got going on? And how to
how and how what's the best way for them to
support you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
I so, yo, Well, the best way, I would say
follow us on Instagram and we are March and B
we have a website and we're on Twitter, but not
really into Twitter is kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Into it's kind of weird right now on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
That's kind of kind of weird right now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
But we're also gonna be we got some stuff in
the works and we'll just just follow the follow the
Instagram for now and then. But we got some other
exciting things like in development, and I think I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
It's gonna it's gonna be legendary.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I'll just say that, yeah, anytime, anytime a creative look
away and then they just start smiling.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I'm like, Oh, they cooking, because that's how you know, you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Start thinking about the projects. You're like, I got stuff. Oh,
I can't wait to get this to the world. So
I'm excited to see and you know, you already know
here at Geeks said, were gonna continue to report on
everything that you guys got going and make sure we
come to continue to big it up and everything like that,
because yeah, we want to see our legends win and
I and then you're creating spaces for new people. You know,
I've I've spoken our podcast a lot about the opportunities

(01:08:58):
that you allowed me and my team to have and
that means so much. And and then you know, hearing
how you say Aaron mcgruter gave you your first shot. It's
a testament to people who can pay it forward, right
who takes Oh, somebody you know who looked like me,
who sound like me, who maybe came from the same
walk of life, gave me my first shot. And because

(01:09:19):
of that, I'm gonnatinue to give people shots as well.
And so you know, I do appreciate this, you know
what I'm saying that I and not even outside of
just me seeing how you give shots and give people
chances and opportunities because I remember, like I said, the
creation of Marsha and Blueberry when you was telling me
about it, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Remember how the team was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And now I'm seeing new names come across emails and
that you're telling me about and people reaching out to
me and seeing new names in the hashtag, and I'm like,
this company is growing and I'm glad that I love
seeing the growth of that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
And so it's like it's just really dope to see.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Well, let me just say this, I mean, you know,
I mean, yeah, you you were there when we were
first talking about how how we wanted to lay this out,
and you know, we went through we had a couple
of bumps in the road. You know what I'm saying,
and had to pivot, you know, because I mean, that's
that's a part of it, especially when you're dealing with
investors and partners, you know, because sometimes you know, we'll
all money and good money as they say, right, So,

(01:10:16):
like you got to find the right partners to move
forward with. So we've been going through our trials and era,
you know, finding the right configuration to make this work.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
But we're getting it there now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
We're starting to really fine tune it and and you
guys are and the rest of the team that was
on board in the very beginning when we first started scussing, remember,
because we had our think tanks and stuff like that.
You know, we're gonna be bringing that back together, you
know what I'm saying, and assembling like Voltron so like
so yeah, yeah, so just know everything that we plan
to do is still in motion. We just had to

(01:10:48):
you know, we had to. We had to pivot a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
No understandable, understandable, But man ay, I have been your boy, Duces.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
This has been the amazing called Jones. This is one
on one with Duces out then this was a special episode.
I had to do this because I got to get
back to you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
We put in our project together, so I gotta get
back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
So hey, if you are here, stay tuned still because
I'm gonna show the trailer again to y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
But I want to say, man again, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Rod for coming on here, Thank you for giving me
your time and everything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
I appreciate you so much. And we are out here.

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