Director X talks Drake, Directing, Transformers, Culture & more | S8 E8 | 1 on 1's w/Deuces - 1-on-1's w/Deuces

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Let me choose your character.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
All right, all right, all right, Welcome back to the
geek Set podcasts only podcast that blending hip hop coaching
and geek coachure together. I'm your boy, Duces, and this
is one on one with Deuces, the place where I
speak with creators, curators and people that you should know.
And right now we got a legend in the building.
Now for those you know, I had this conversation on
my podcast probably like two three weeks ago, where I
was saying, I missed the day when the music director,

(00:58):
the video director was well, when the video director was
like the rock star.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
That was the flex.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
The flex was you got this video from this person,
this video from this person, and this person that I
brought up, Director X, who used to be known as
Little X at that time but gave us so much
in hip hop culture. And I just want to say, man,
I am excited to have not only a legend in
the game, but an innovator.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
We have Julian Lutz aka Director X in the building.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
How you doing, bro, I'm good, Bro, I'm good. How
you feeling, man?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I am doing great.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
And again, like I said, my platform is all about
giving people their flowers and you gave us so much
with major and classic artists like jay z Drake, Kendrick
lamar Rihanna, Kanye and I just want to say from
the culture from geek set, from me, thank you for
all your work that you put in the game and
the things that you continue to preach and teach. Man,

(01:52):
Thank you so much for all that.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Man. Thanks for having me. Man, I'm honored that y'all
still care.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh yeah, no, definitely, because it's one of like you know,
I'm I'm a hip hop head and to me, like
music videos used to be my background noise. Like I
used to keep bet on MTV on whatever and twenty
four to seven, and it was just like one for
the music, but also the visuals. And every time I would,
like you said, you can tell when it was like, oh,

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this was a treatment, not just somebody pointing and shooting,
and this was and this was, you know, something that
was going to be special. And then obviously you know
saying you trained under you know what I'm saying, the
legendary hype Williams.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
So I kind of wanted to take it back.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
And I know you told this story a lot, but
I think where I connected it the most was how
you really had to put your investigative reporter on, you know, had.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
On how I got there?

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, well, I mean there's there's two things. I think
what we're missing right now is a central place to go.
Right now, I think this is what the streamers are serving.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
You grew up with television. You went to the TV
and you turned it on and it came at you,
right And even though BT didn't have VJs, MTV had VJs,
BT just played videos, but that it was it was
a little more specific to the culture. I know something
about it work, but something about the TV and it
came at you, you know what I mean. And we
all knew the one place to go. And now we

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don't have that place. Like there is no place you
would just go and get the culture. You go to
streamers and get the culture, right.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
If I go to Kaysenett, I'm going to get some
fort he's gonna bring in even at another level where
he's bringing in the old school, like he'll bring in
John Legend and then he'll bring in the new kid
and like it's serving what it's serving what the music
videos used to do.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
The music video channels used to do you know what
I mean? And yeah, but no, I.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Was gonna say, yeah, I agree with that. I was
gonna let you continue.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
It is what it is, what it is, but I
think that's what we're all we're all missing. There's no
real central place for culture anymore. What it was the
way radio did it and music video and you know,
television did it. It's just we all had to go
to that one place, like you knew it was a
hit because you turned on the radio, you got in
the car, you turned on your radio.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah you had a CD. Yeah you had it.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
But now we just it's like television and radio just
not the factors they once worked. Now it's playlist and
there's just everything so scattered. Yeah, that we don't have
one place to go anymore.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
But I do miss that era so much because to me,
it like I said, the music video assisted like you know,
you know, we used to always like we'll listen to
an album and then it'd be a classic album or
even it's the album to have a few joints on
it that you really rock with, and you're like, oh man,
I really hope that we get a music video for
this song and I miss that. I miss that excitement
of I want to see what they can cook up

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with that, and then also throwing names like you and
the hat, like oh man, if they get with director,
as I already know, this video is going to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's like I miss that era so much.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah. Yeah, back when those visuals really meant something.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Man, the visuals really meant something, like I know, it
just brought something because you got everything what you get
from from social media now like oh that's the slang,
Oh that's the fact, or that's the dance, or that's
the that's what they're doing over there. Music videos provided that.
So it's almost like a dissection of how human beings
communicate with each other and what music means and what

(05:12):
it means to get it and just there's just a
very different time, and I do I don't think anyone
in that that space recognizes what music videos still mean
to people, right because you know.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
What I mean.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
So there's no again, we just we don't have that
central place. We need that central place again.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
So yeah, do you do you think that they're like
in today's world?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do you think that if we created a central place
that people will gravitate to it, like in your expert opinion.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
If they knew about it, if you knew, if you
knew there was a place that you could just like
if you used to turn it on and leave it
all right and you get your music videos and you
get and you and you knew again. BT might not
have had DJs, but you knew what you got when
you put on BT, you know what I mean. And
MTV back in the day and just have I really
believe that the human connection is important, So I think

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they might if we knew, if we knew where to go.
Maybe it's just it's it's a strange world we're in now,
because it's just everything is everywhere now.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Bro, Like yeah no, yeah, absolutely talk.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
And this and that, like it's all over the damn place,
you know.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
But so one thing that's very interesting about your story
and where like I said, somebody like myself who connects
to it, so like you know a little bit about
me with this podcast, it was like I started off
as an artist and then I wanted to talk about
culture and hip hop culture, so I created this podcast
and then I couldn't find anybody to really collaborate with
to kind of create the aesthetics so I taught myself

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graphic design and I started doing that. It started freelancing
myself to do that, and I kind of started just saying, like,
you know what, I enjoy doing all this, but I
kind of want to make sure that my product is
up to standard.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
So when I listen to your story and you talk
about how you was a comic book artist at first,
and then literally you literally was at what a music choice?
And you was like, hey man, what's up with that?
And then he was like all right, let me go
ahead and get that, and then like you literally just
like okay, what about that?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And kind of led you to where you're at right now.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And I wanted to know, like where did that type
of drive for you came from?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
You just have it. I mean, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I think you need to do what you're compelled to do,
especially when you're young, right and now in hustle culture,
I think everything's a little too like everyone's trying to
be a millionaire by the time they're fifteen, and like
this this hustle culture has gotten and everyone said versus,
if you'd like it, go do it. You don't know
where it's going to lead, you just go do it.
I liked, you know, I went to a poetry reading.
My friend read a poem and they said, oh, they

(07:41):
opened up the mic if anyone wants to read something,
come on up. And I went up and read a
rap I wrote for my friends. Right yeah, They're like,
come back. Okay, they came back, and now I'm reading
poetry around town.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Okay. I like com books. I'm doing com books.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
I like graphic design, I like you know, I'm like,
I just follow your interests and now now I can
always see how those things feedback in. But you just,
you know, some people like sports for compelled to get
up and do sports.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
I can't. It's not the same, right, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Like, how do you get the energy to wake up
in the morning at six am and go run around?
Some people just got it, that's what they But I
was compelled to pick up a pen and draw, and
I'm compelled to, you know what I'm saying, make visuals
like what are your what's your compulsion?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
And lean into it.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
But again, the for you repurposing it, like you said,
you know, even back then, because I really love when
people geek out about the things that they do. And
you were talking about the difficulty of even sinking like
words to video, right, and so you actually used one
of that that that poetry, that spoken word piece as
an example of something that you was trying to position.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Right, Yeah, I mean I was.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I did my final year, my final project in school
with the poetry video.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
So but then became, you know, as I made it work,
you gotta make it work, you gotta use you gotta
especially then, Man, I think at all times, any time
you're doing something, you to think, how can I make
this work for me?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Absolutely? Yeah, and you got to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's one of those things where like we have so
many resources at our hands that we can that we
can we can try to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
And that's that to me.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think that even with you being in that building
at much Music and just you're thinking that you're only
there for a graphic designer, but you saw the potential
of something else to lead you to everything that you
wanted to do. But again, it wasn't you just doing
mindless tasks. You were doing things that you and you
generally love. Like our slogan here is do what you love,
love what you do at geek Set and to me.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's if you move with.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
That, with that type of mindset, that will lead you
to you know, your overall where you want to be at,
because now you're turning your love to your actual job.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah. Here, follow your passions, brother, follow your passions.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
So another thing, and this is where, like I said,
you really get into your mindset of like what you
learned from Hype Williams, because you often say that a lot.
It wasn't Hype just saying all right, you know what
I'm saying, X do this, let me show you how
I do this. You really just learned from watching seeing
how he moves, and you credit a lot for him
knowing every aspect of like that that production, Like you're

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not not only just knowing behind the camera, but knowing
the fashion, knowing.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
You know the wardrobe, knowing you know the lighting and
all this.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
And then it even bleeds into your teachings because I
forgot which interview it was, but you had the whole
room do a like an exercise of everybody like being
on their toes and showing how that movement actually gives you,
you know a little bit more, you know, fluidity in
you know, on camera, and it's one of those things
of being, like I said, of being a student of

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the game.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Why was that so important to you out early on?

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I've always been personal kind of looking at things like, oh,
we could do that different. That'd be better if you
put that over here, Like even when I was an intern,
you know, then come back to the office and I'd
rearrange all the furniture. Oh this is better because before
when you had the desk over here, people walk by
the door. But now the desk you see he they
walk and they're going to see him. And I put
the chairs here, and now I put the desk there,
and now see the way I put that another ok okay,

(11:13):
but it's better. So looking at thinking about performance down
to all right, how are you standing, you know, like
I'm I'm I'm doing boxing right on your toes, on
your toes, on your toes.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I mean, yeah, that is a little better, and that
helps me when I go to the gym.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
I noticed some kind of feel this and that looks
way more alpha, that looks way stronger. That looks oh okay,
like even if I if I just apply that now
as we speak, you know, I'm saying like this, now,
let me bring up, let me give. If I was
telling someone to do with the performance, I tell them
to it like this. See the difference clearly we do
right right? It was okay?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
All right?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
What if you said, like, all right, okay, we needed better.
This song is about love. Think about your last girlfriend,
right took for me, even for you, Think about the
last time you were really in love right right, and
really like picture picture a moment. Find a moment, find
a moment that really sticks out, and just visualize it.
Sit in it for a minute. See where you were,

(12:10):
feel the wind, if there was any what were you doing?
You can kind of feel that story on you, right, Yeah,
so I imagine so even as you talk to me
right now, just kind of run that memory. Just kind
of stay in that memory where her right, and you
can feel what it does. Even I'm doing the same thing.
Kind of change the memory. Now, let's switch it again.
Let's go find an angry memory. Let's find one when

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I got one, all right, And now as I talk
to you, I'm gonna think about that memory, and I
think about what it was like when I was dealing
with that situation. But I'm still having this conversation and
I'm still running that memory in the back of my
head and I can feel that and you can see
it on my face right right? So where are you?

(12:52):
Where can I take these things? Pushing performance? So what
if you do you're as an actor, find a memory
do that or as a right or even let's go
step away from that. Picture a lion on the savannah,
all right, And as I talk now, I'm going to
picture a lion hunting down a zebra and the whole
hunting it, eating it, chasing it, biting into it, eating alive.

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As I talk to you, I'm kind of imagining some
of this stuff and I can feel that energy and
I can feel that you know what I.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Mean, and even know other people watching.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Just think that you feel it in your bones a bit, right,
chase it down, jump on it, eat, bite it, chew
on it.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
You feel it? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:35):
So when what can you do to do these tricks
to get a performance? Maybe hype you for a performance,
maybe while you're doing it. Right as I talk now,
let me just think about time, Me and my buddies
are all laughing, die laugh and just run that memory
and your buddies are just doing that and you're laughing

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and clouding one another. And right hic see you smile, right, dude,
So all these tricks that deal in performance, and what
if you had to do these tricks while you, you know, work,
which is essentially what I'm doing. But even now, as
I have this conversation with you, I'm saying, well, why
am I saving these techniques only for when the camera's rolling?

(14:18):
Why don't I just use the technique now right as
I do this podcast, when I just think about me
talking to my buddies.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Okay, it feels a.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Little lighter, feels a little better in my chest, you
know what I mean. So it's always that as a director,
you are supposed to be conscious of the subconscious, knowing
what a shot does, knowing what pushing in does, knowing
we do that with camera. For me, everyone can do camera.

(14:46):
I just did a job recently, right. I'm at this
production company and my EPs are both directors, so and
I mean they're serious like special effects lenses and camp like.
I can have a conversation with them about the difference
between a thirty five mili and a three thirty two
MILLI and a forty mili and everyone knows exactly what
the fuck they're talking about. You know what I'm saying,
oh man, at thirty five, thirty five ain't really giving

(15:07):
me what that thirty two would good thing. We don't
have a forty talking So if there's all these people
out there, what are you bringing to the conversation. It's
great that you can have the conversation. That's this what
puts you up here?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Right?

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, you got to go figure that out. For me,
I'm thinking about performance. I'm thinking about getting in your.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Head, right, what do we what are we that?

Speaker 4 (15:32):
So that that's a bit of my standing on your
toes d D picture, you know, imagine that there's a
ghostly image of yourself standing right beside you got that
mm hmm. Make it do some push ups. Make it
dance to make the ghosts. Make the ghost do some
push ups. Now make a dance as we talk, make

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it dance, okay, yeah, and now now make a really
bust and move like it's really you having a good time.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
All right?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Now, make it do some shit you can't actually do
in real life. Okay, okay, right. You ever see the
Blue Angels, you know, the Blue Angels, the pilots?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Do you ever see the video where they're visualizing their
their their thing. They got their eyes closed and going,
all right, these these things we think, we know, these
things we think have an effect on us. All right,
well what again? I'm looking at it like, practically, how
can I make a performance better? You're not going to
tell usher how to be better? Hey USh, why don't

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you dance better? I really need you to give it
to me this time more energy, Like there's no there's
nothing you can say the usher in his I can
do this all the time, but you could say the usher,
Hey USh, this song is about you stealing someone's girlfriend.
That's really that's a primal thought, right, So I want

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you to think about the hunting with the hunt one
be aligning, hunting down some food. Now perform or you
know what I'm saying, Oh there's a love song. I
want you to think about the last time your love.
Oh this is right.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
So you're really just more directing with like the emotion
of attached to that.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
What you want to do? What everyone's trying to do
when you listen to actors. You want to go to
a place where you surprise yourself that it comes out
of you, that you're not just being a robot. I
said the word here and then I did, that's it's coming.
You're in the zone. It just happens like and I mean,
that's what people understand it sports. Sometimes it's the game

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is so crazy. Sometimes you get to do a thing.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh shit, you see it on their face.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
You'll see you You'll literally see it on their face
like they're surprised that.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
They even did that.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Exactly right.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
But to get to that point to surprise yourself, it
takes all this practice and all you have to do,
all this conscious stuff to get to the point where
the subconscious and the muscle like it's operating without you. Well,
how can I help an artist get to that? How
can I help an actor get to that?

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Right?

Speaker 4 (17:58):
And then as I look at it, how can you
help Just like you, keep on visualizing your boys for
the rest of the talk. Give it a few minutes,
try and try and run that thought about you talking
to your boys. You know what I'm saying as you
do this, but just have it run in the back
of your mind.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Okay, as we continue.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
But you know what a great example of everything that
you just said, so again love sports that I forgot
that uh which doc it was a docor that was
detailing the redeem team, right, and they was going back
and it was they They ended up talking to Vince
Carter about his time when he dumped over that that
uh that that.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
One player uh in the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Right, and he said that at the time, he didn't
even know that he did it. He was frustrated at
the team, He was upset during the time. He had
some personal things going on and everything like that. We
already knew Vince Carter was this elite dunker, but that
was something different. So when he did it, he said,
he when when they when you see him looking up,
that's him actually watching it to see what actual happened,

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because all he saw was the basket and dunk it.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, brother, you know there's a remember the Animatrix, Yes,
there's a what are the stories when they do with
the athletes? And sometimes you can you hit your little
neo power through athletics. Sometimes you can shape the matrix
mm hm in certain moments, you know what I mean?
And yeah, it's kind of like that, you know, speaking speaking,

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I speaking, I just saw the I saw the Matrix
at the Cosmo in l How is that crazy?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
So, because I was gonna say I love the matrix
so much.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
And then if you haven't watched it yet, because I
know that you're a big nerd as well, we're going
to jump into that. But Laurence Fishburne sits down with
Neil dgrass Tyson on his podcast and they break down
the matrix in a way that I ain't never like.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Realize that Laurence fishburn probably outside of the directors, know
more about the matrix than anybody else.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Like he Bro, I mean, the movie is a life
changing movie. It is a culture defining movie. It is
the Star Wars of that time. Unfortunately, the second two
got derailed, they got got they went off the rails
a bit, but that first one to the fact that
they did that, Bro, you gotta see it's worth the
trip to l A.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I definitely would like to because I'm out of Milwaukee,
so you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
But I travel for this, Like I said, for this,
what I'm doing my passion here having conversations with people
like you and being able to just like geek out
and everything.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I'm really passionate about this.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm just working on an independent level, but I travel
for things and experiences like that to be able to
cover it because my goal and my idea is to
be the Sways Universe of blurred and geek culture or
the Angie Martinez.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I like, we don't have somebody in this culture that.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Is really detailing and having these conversations about anime, comic books,
video games, the technicalities of music videos, just the science
and of hip hop and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
We don't have a lot of people that are that
are doing that in that geek space. And that's what
I what I thrive for. So again, I'm a person
that I do travel for these type of things and
opportunities to do so because I'm very interested in it.
You know, like when I when I look at your work,
one of the things that I know, you know, even
being a music artist myself, is that that treatment phase, right,

(21:13):
And I wanted to kind of get into like when
you start with when an artist reaches out or label
reaches out to you and they they like, they book you,
all right, We're going to do your direct in our video.
What is the first thing that you do treatment wise
to get prepared for that music video?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I mean, I mean you got to listen to that
record a lot, You got to go through ideas, and
you got to make an idea that might be affordable.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Then you got to you know, write.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
It's a it's a process, bro, because it's not just
like you can anyone can have an idea. It's expensive, yes,
so you know, like then if it's too expensive and
you just can't make it work, well, then you got
to come up with another idea.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
But sometimes I like it. It's a lot going on,
So I I really.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
How I say, I really, I really spent a lot
of time listening to the record a lot.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
That's that was the thing.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Part of the reggae explosion is because the part of
Shampaul and all that is because I had gotten so
tired of listening to hip hop and RB records.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Over and over and over and over and over again the.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Like because for you know, a director is like you
listened to one record all the time and then you right,
and I needed a break. So I started going to
a couple of other things, but reggae was one of
my breaks. And to the point that my team was
you know, New York and so a bunch of West Indians.
We're like, oh yeah, we should do some videos and
that's how we That's how we started. We went after them,
We went after Scham Paul, we went after v like

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we were that just wants to do one and then
you know, give me the light set off a whole
you know, mad like a wave.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Again, if it would skyrockety.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Bro, yeah, it would have had a longer run.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
They didn't weren't so homophobic with their lyrics, but had
they had a moment.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And they had a moment.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
But again that's the there's a lot of pocketed moments
that you are you know, heavily involved with and everything
like that.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
But again it's also it's interesting to see like.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
The music videos that really you know inspired you or
you know, the ones that you know end up being
the ones that that catapulted you. Because I know that
Flavor in Your Ear Remix was one that you kind
of was like, whoa, what is this?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
And you always say that you.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Know, at that time, music videos didn't really that video
made it. It was something you knew that it was
something that was different that we usually didn't really see
in music videos. What about that Flavor in your Ear
Remix video that like really like hit you like, oh shit,
this is something that's really dope.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
There's art to it that you could just feel you
feel art, right like when I'm when I'm around some art,
I feel like I get the same feeling I get
walking through a forest, right, So you feel it, you
just feel it just felt like better. It felt the
black and white, the shots that just had it was organic, right,

(24:07):
I mean another video like that that it didn't it
hit kind of it was. It's in the same realment.
It's another video hyped it. It was a Wu tang.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Can it all be so simple?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Oh yes, you remember that. Everyone was like what it just
you didn't know why, but this, you know what I mean?
It was like moist and squishy and like it just
it was it was alive, right like, and that's what
good art can do. So that was one of those
things that just made you go, oh wow. And I
I remember the first time I saw it. I woke

(24:37):
up out of a dream like.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
All my boys were over.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
I moved out real young, and my boys would be
at my place because I was downtown and they're just
up rampaging while I have to sleep for school.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And I wake up and that video is on and
I just go look at that girl and I fell
back asleep.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
But I remember that moment, full circle moment then because
it wait, what was it giving the light?

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Because there was there was one video I do believe
it was giving Was there a girl? Wasn't there a
girl winding in video and giving the like that everybody
was like, Yo, who's that girl?

Speaker 4 (25:16):
I mean, there's a couple and give me your life.
There's a couple of you that might have been Tanisha.
That's what I danced with. That's my cameo and.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
That I said, like, that's kind of like that full
circle moment, like who is that girl?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And everything?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
But then another video and this is what I like
about your relationship with artists and how you kind of
work with it. And it also kind of goes with
your your breakdown of Star Wars and just and Snyder
verses and everything like that because you said that you
know one you you, which I also love how you
broke down how to fix Star Wars and everything, But
you do you talk about.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
How what did I say to fix Star Wars?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
It was it was a whole storyline, bro, you want
me to record it. I can't recall that whole thing.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
What was what was? I have so many Yeah, Well
we'll get back to that. We'll get back to that.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
We'll get back to that.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
But you you one thing that you like your your
through line was that like there's candid events, there's certain
things that like you can put your spin on it,
but there's certain things that need to make sure that
it fits and it happens, like you cannot just change
it just because you're.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
The director, right, Oh absolutely yep.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
And so when when I look at your the artists
that you work with, what I think what resonated most
with your music videos was that it never felt like
it was something that the artist wouldn't do, Like I
know that, like I'll be that was one of your
what you like your your video that kind of.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Helped change everything. But when we think of red Man.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
And we think of that video and I be that
it was like, oh, this is the most Red Man
video that I've ever seen because it fit him as
perfect and everything like that.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, and that's what it should be.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
It should be a music video should be a collaboration
where you were for the audience, it's their artist's the
thing they love about their artists. I have a philosophy
about this that if I'm a pyramid, I'm not the
tip of the pyramid.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I'm the lawyer.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Right below the tip of the pyramid is the artists themselves,
and in that hierarchy, no one can make me change
my mind if I say I want to I want
to paint the room red, and you're like, what if
it was a blue room?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
No?

Speaker 4 (27:18):
What if it's a green No? What if it's a
red room but we made a glossy Yes, what if
you made it red with a poka doont.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Maybe let's time this.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
No I'm not.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm not gonna shoot that down. It's still red. If
you're moving forward with my idea, then yes.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
If you're trying to make me change my manner, no immediately,
no discussion, no discussion. We're either moving the direction I
say because I'm the director, or I mean you can
go I mean, but this is this is how it goes.
And the same goes for the artists, because every time
I've ever gone against the artist, I had the same

(27:53):
It always was real wrong move always because this is
their thingy. You feel what I'm saying this some illumin
It looks like I'm going to take a click.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
This is I'm doing this from the illuminati.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
So they know that I'm still in the system, but
that that they're the one, that that's their idea, their thing.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
I had.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I did a video for a French artist named Soprano
that the song's cat fassis la dance. It's easy to dance,
and I wrote a treatment where people get infected. There's
a new pandemic, right and if you hear this song,
you start dancing. You can't help yourself. It's it's it's viral,
it's you know what I'm saying. It's contagious.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
It's everywhere.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
It's like the song starts spreading and everyone's dancing, and
everywhere you go, everyone's dancing. The video of the budget
was hundreds of thousands of dollars back. There's this couldn't
be done. But in the initial call, he said, I
recorded this in Africa. I want to do something in Africa.
Then but they liked my idea. But he said, I
wanted to do something Africa, but I like this idea.
Then the idea collapsed with oh, what can we do

(28:51):
and maybe we do this and go no, no, no,
he said he wanted to go to Africa.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Let's go to Africa. Just's be true to my.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
It's he's the artist. This is his video. He wants
to go to Africa. We're starting with that. And I
love the video. I love the video that we find.
It wasn't easy to make. It was, you know what
I'm saying, on a bunch of different levels, but we
made it and it's cool and it's great and some
great experiences and I love it. It's a facilidancy take
a look. But I feel that a director will serve

(29:25):
themselves and the artist much better if they really work
with what the artist wants to do, add on to
what the artist wants to do, guide it, shape it
molded versus fight it.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, be collaborative. Like I said that, that's too because
that's that's.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Going to get the best because one now you're not
When you tell somebody something completely different from their original direction,
it's it's almost as if you're saying what you.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Said was wrong, do it this way.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
But if you exactly are suggesting more things, like just
like things that's still within the realm, it feels more collaborative.
It's like, okay, well, how can we approve upon that?
And every body comes out feeling a little bit better
because now you, as a director Peel heard the artist
doesn't feel like their idea was like shiit it on
by this director, and now you guys are gonna get
the most best, you know product that you guys put

(30:14):
out there. Absolutely, and we see that a lot with
a you know, with a lot of the things that
you talk about. The one thing that I absolutely love
about the culture is that it's still embedded in black culture.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Mikeys still rock Dumps or Jordan's.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
And they also talked about Badman first, Superman, Batman and
super Superman is literally brown first, Shorgan.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Dragon ball Z that like, my whole trajectory and life changed.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Don't nobody talk to me.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
My shit is on. We've just been experiencing it looks
like it's gonna be real deep. The elevation from where
Kim Vader started.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
To now black geek cultures helped me through some of
the highs of my life, through some of the loves
of my life.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
It's all been there, sort of like an undercurrent everything
I did.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
There was no term for it, there was no it
was just this is what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I love us in it. I love the fact.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
That we take things and we always make it better.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
But again, You've also been at the forefront of being
able to see uh Canada hip hop scene from infant
stage to being oh yeah, a major, a major force
within the in the hip hop world and everything like that.
What was that like being on that ground level and
being and also being a pivotal person to help grow

(31:43):
that scene.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I'm gonna give you another mental exercise while you well
I talked, I want you to keep repeating fun in
your head, fun, fun, fun, fun, just while you're talking
about white now as I'm talking, just keep repeating. So
I came up when hip hop and Toronto because you know,
the growth first general Canadians, right, The vast majority of
the black people in Toronto were West Indians and all

(32:05):
when someone said when I was in high school and
someone said where you from, you would said the island
your parents were from, right, that was that was how
we did it. And so our hip hop scene was
very fresh and new. But a few of them were
broke through, like Kros would come up, Karis One would
come up, and Michie Mei was one of the because
that whole Jamaican hip hop North American thing that worked.

(32:27):
So there's a few people kind of made a little
bit of a buzz. And then Maestro had a thing,
he had a record, he had a radio hit, and
it's like he was little Canadian. It was and it worked,
and then a couple other underground guys and then but
it never it always never felt like it could happen.
Then when I came along and I moved to the
States and I was working with the biggest or undeniably
I'm doing jay Z's video, I'm doing these guys videos,
it felt like for the city, like it could happen,

(32:49):
and it felt like it could happen in a way
where they didn't have to hate, you know what I mean,
Because if it's music, everyone's hating. Like if I was
a rapper and I was many, he ain't even from then,
that's whack I would have been.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
But I'm just making videos.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
They were all like And then for a young generation,
that Drake Weekend generation is like, oh, it can happen, right,
those whole generations like because because now that Toronto generation
with uh, you know, you got Drake in the Weekend
and Corey Lane's and you know a couple of you know,
division and people of different levels Corey that there's enough
people in the game now and tons of producers and

(33:22):
tons of managers.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
It's not even a question. That's not even a question. Yeah,
it can happen.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
In my generation, it was a dream to even be
in the industry at all, was a dream, you feel
what I'm saying. So the watch that all kind of
grow and and then each generation builds on the confidence
of the.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Next, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Oh, there could be a Drake, there can be a
Weekend Okay, okay, and then there could be you know
what I mean. They just it keeps getting bigger and bigger.
So it's a beautiful thing to see, and it's great
to be, uh a part of it. I tell Drake,
you know, I joker and that I'm John the Baptist
to his Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Hilarious. How is your relationship with Drake?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Drake is great guy man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a great.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
His explosion took the world by storm and it was,
just like I said, one of the longest runs in
the hip hop you know, and everything like that, and
you know, you know, I mean, listen here, we know
what happened and everything.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I just I just want him to get back to
the music.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
That's my main thing as a as a lover of
hip hop in general, and see you know saying who's
still like, hey man, listen here, we let's don't let's
let's cut all the noise. I just really want them
to get back to the music and focus on that.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
How's that fun, fun, fun thing working for you? How
did that feel for you?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It felt good? Man? Like I said, you know why?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And it is because again saying that and having that
thought process of just saying fun, fun, fun while you
are telling me these iconic stories and everything like that,
and knowing again the gravitas of this interview for me,
as like I said, as a hip hop head, this,
that's that's why, That's why I do this.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I'm having fun doing this.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I'm having fun talking to these people that I looked
at as like whoa like I remember when I first like,
one of my favorite videos that you did, if I'm
not mistaken, was what's my Name?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
DMX?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh yeah, bro, I remember just even the song, and
so if I'm not mistaken, I heard I saw the
video before I even heard the song. And so the bells,
the visual, the black and you know, the black and white,
but like the red.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, but see that's you know that story behind that video.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
That video was a turning point for me because I
went into it.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
This is a lesson about trying to make something for
the client, trying to please other people. Okay, at that time,
people liked bright notes you get back, and also note
that their clients don't know what they When people tell
you what they want, they don't know what they want.
That people liked bright, they liked warm light, bright light,
they liked girls, and they.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Liked right So I made this video. That's right.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
There's basically two videos going on. There's this right light
video with girls and everyone's wearing whatever the fuck and
they're jumping around with DMX and it just sucks. Then
there's another video where it's blue and green and red. Well,
you know, we had this first day shoot and I'm
doing I'm making the version I have. You know, they've
given me all these people and we're trying to make it.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Try. I'm trying to make this video for the client.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Basically, all this stuff that people tell me they like,
they don't like it is horrible day. Horrible day, looks
like shit. DMX got sick. He us his asthma he
left early. We had to have a second day.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
On the second day, I'm like, fuck this.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Like the fancy people they brought that my company brought
in to work with me, they left. It just was horrible,
And I go, you know what, just give me a
bunch of rough riders. Put them a rough rider of shirts.
Let's just gel it. Let's just do this, let's just
do that, let's look like I just like, fuck this shit.
You know what I'm saying, And that is what that
that's the part of the video that I love. That's
the part of the video that works. That shit is

(36:53):
fucking five right. And I keep thinking what if I'd
done that? Well, not even keep thinking, I know what
would have happened. But it was a moment when I realized, Fuck,
I'm not doing what I think you want.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I'm not doing what I think you want. I'm doing
what I.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Want because they hired you for your expertise.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
They hired you for your visual Like I as an artist,
I've always like I my relationship with like videographers, directors, photographers.
I always tell them, I said, I have a baseline
like what I think that I want. However, the reason
why I hired you is because I want to see
myself in your lens. So I am also leaning in

(37:28):
on your creative control, leaning in on you, you know,
running a little bit more point, let's just talk and
you know, keep it collaborative, right, And so to me,
that's how I always viewed it, especially with your resume,
even prior to that video, You've already had enough. I
would be I would be surprised that there's a lot
of labels keep on trying to meddle or put their
hands not metal.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
You do it to yourself sometimes because you're worried about
what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Okay, yeah, because I know, like because like I mean
especially with like you know, like you got cultural classes,
you did banned from tv BRO. Like you know what
I'm saying, It was like that, like you gave us
so much dopeness for that that we even go back to,
you know that we'll go back to even when we're
like on Twitter or or or Instagram saying yo, remember this,

(38:12):
remember this video, remember Annie up, like you know, remember
knock yourself out, like you gave Jadakiss one of the
dopest treatments for like coming out as like all right, now,
like I feel like Knock Yourself Out video made us legit.
Ce Jadakiss is like his own regular star, Like, Yo,
Jadakiss is here, like he already been dope, he already.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Been etched in the game with the locks.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But knock Yourself Out in that first album, it was like, Yo,
all right, kiss is a fucking star, and it was
like it was that was like that was your treatment,
you know, in regards to that, it was like, Yo,
this right here, this direction is dope. It's like you
gave us so much that it was like when you
My guy Clint Coley got a he got a podcast

(38:53):
on Revolt and one of his things that he held
when he talks about greatness is he says that you
can't tell the story about X, Y and Z without
this person, right, and that's how he measures who's going
to be great. I feel like you cannot tell the
story of hip hop without the mention of you, Hype
Williams and things like that, because you guys paid so much.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's to me, it's the level of greatness.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Oh thank you, that's a that's a big that's a
big compliment. Thank you. Yes.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, So you know, when it comes down to, like
you know, even outside of like your treatment and everything,
what do you what do you believe is the most
important part of a music video.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
The music? Are you really making something for the record?
Are you making something for the artist? I think that's
something with music videos that are important. You could you
could you know, is it feel like the record doesn't?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It doesn't? You know there's some director that was very
much kind from.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
The school, like you should be making the video about
what the song's about. But then guys like calling till
he would come along and it's like a love song,
but you put Chris Brown in an auto party garage,
like fixing a car. But but it's that was the artist.
Sometimes it's it's it's it's it's I think that it's
like you were saying, it feels like it comes from
the artist. I come from the generation which should amplify

(40:16):
the song.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yea, I think there's something.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
There was a general there was a moment when everyone
was like, oh, the song is called thunder, but we
don't want to do rain. We want to make it.
You know, the song is called rain, but we're going
to shoot it in the desert because we don't you
know what I'm saying, like you know, the song is
called Lightning, have Lightning hit shit like that. I come
from that era of music videos, and I still feel

(40:40):
that's fucking valid. But I think that's it. You really
want to You're you're either trying to get that record
and get the essence of the song and something that
at least feels like it might not be word for word,
you know, but it feels like it, or it's the artist,
or the best case scenario, it's the both. Right, you
capture the essence of what the artist is, and then

(41:00):
you get that song and they and they they intertwine
into one new thing.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
It's like the holy trinity, the artist, the song and
the video.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
But then but then, like I said, even to that,
you go pull it and press the feet and you
do a whole video where the artists they even in it,
Like Bro, you did in that pop Star video. You
had justin Bieber rappit, you had King Batching And I
know there's that, you know obviously the Canadian connection and
everything like that, But even with something like that, like
where did that thought process come from?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
That's from Drake Drake. Drake Drake was like, I put
Bieber in it and then.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I you know, Batch is a friend of mine, but
he's also friends with Bieber. So I hit up Batch
and said, because you know, we're trying to get friends
and they're showing me like yeah, like uh, actually, you know,
like the way you hire background is they just show
you you just pages of pictures. They're not for certain parts,
like especially now that you know God for a union.

(42:00):
But if you're going to audition a role, that ups
the amount of money for how.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Much that role did? It just starts getting into the
economics of it all. I'm like, you know, Batch, get
your boys. So I didn't. I didn't vet w Batch
brought his friends.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah, if you if you follow Bat from Vine or
anything like that, we recognized a lot of the people
in it, like oh.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah, these are some people, right.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
So it was a look for everybody, right, and it
made say it's a look for it all made sense
right because they're also comedians, so they're also bringing the comedy.
It's a good look for everybody now, like it just
happened that way. So but like I said, the same
kind of thing, right, Uh, Drake wants to want to
do this thing where it's Bieber. You had the idea
like oh, you know it's a dream or it's a

(42:44):
it's a collabor right, I want Beeable to be in it,
and then we make the thing all come together. And
you know, there's a couple of moments in that video
where I'm doing for for Bieber when he's performing, like
especially when he comes out of the bedroom, when he's
at the bottles. There's a couple of different tape where
like some were like, okay, come out, think of your
favorite hip hop start.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
It comes out a little too hard.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
And for that why I think he's going to like
as you keep on thinking, hey, hey hey, like even
now as we're talking, just keep thunking.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Hey, I'm the same thing as talking to you. Right,
you can't help it, right, you know what I mean.
So it's it's again.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
It's one of those things is to get what can
you do to get into the head and get that
performance out?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
And then yeah, so with.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
That thought process, now I gotta think. Now in my
mind I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Like do you ever mess with the artists, like like
just have him think of some something crazy just to
just to get that moment, Like you're like, because because
now you've earned that cachet where people are going to
trust you.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
So if director, it's like, all right, what do act?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Like you're doing the word but standing up, I feel
like somebody gonna do it just because.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
It would have to.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
I would have to be trying to do it to
get to a place, right, trying to get trying to
you know what I mean, Like you're at one point,
you're also trying to get a certain kind of performance
out of people. So that would be what I'm doing
it for, right just yeah, that would be yeah, but
nothing just for nothing, just for shitts and giggles, nothing
like that.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
All right, So let's geek out some so because I
know that you're a big geek and everything like that.
And right now, hip hop and it's always been that,
but hip hop and geek culture blends almost perfectly. But
like even even take it back to like Wu Tang
and you know, and ghost Face Killer and MF Doom,
like you start seeing you know, all those moments of
the intertwining of hip hop culture and geek culture.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
And now we got nas working with Marvel right now.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Why do you think that geek culture and hip hop
culture meshes so well?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Because there was a time that it was all underground.
Like if you're really in the hip hop, you were
in an underground you know what I mean, the undergrounds.
But this was not mainstream shit. Geek culture is not
mainstream shit. It now has become mainstream, yes, right. There
alose be moments when, like you know, some rap song
would hit the pop charts, but the majority of rap
music was not on the pop charts.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Right.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
There would be a time when, like a Superman movie
or a Batman there'd be a moment when comic books
kind of touched on, but it was always a little
under you know what I mean. And then for youth culture,
even if you for youth culture, it feels like it
was right up front, but that's because you're young, right.
The X Men cartoon for young people, it's like the
X Men were great, yeah, but for the adults at
that time, they don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I feel me.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
That's that's so youth culture is tapped into the underground.
Hip Hop was always underground, right, and it's there's always
going to be a part of that that speaks to
that speaks to the youth culture. I don't know why.
It's not like rock music or pop music, but just
hip hop. There's always going to be a foot in.

(45:37):
I guess because it's maybe so easy. I guess maybe
it's comes from teenage angst, you know what I mean.
But it just connects.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
No, yeah, it definitely does.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
And like I said, I often joke on my podcast,
I say, like, right now in the world, it feels
like that if you're trying to do a movie or
a TV show, if it's not derivative from either a
graphic novel, a comic book, a video game, or some
type of I P that's already out there, you're gonna
have a hard time. It's like an uphill battle because
everything is something off of something.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
You see Marvel having this, you know, their big explosion
d C. And the anime is going crazy right now.
And I know that you said that visually, Japanese animation
is something that inspires you.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
What is about what? What about their animation inspires you?

Speaker 4 (46:21):
I mean, look, we can all see it. That's why
I blew up. There's a there's a especially the old
school joints, the hand drawn stuff, but an attention to
detail some of the camera moves they're doing. It's just
you know, it's it's a beautiful piece of art and
the hand drawn stuff needs to be protected, you know.
I mean like ghost and Shell, Ghost and Shell, Kira
Ninja scroll. That stuff needs to be when when society

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burns down, we better make sure we save.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
There's some art that needs to be saved. There's right
up there.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Talk about the Book of Eli. No, give me the
Book of stan Lee, Give me the Book of Right.
So like so so with you, I know, like I said,
do you still draw? Because I mean you do talk
about you know that.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I still draw, not not in the way I used to,
but you know what I'll do. I'll go to a
restaurant or I'm on a plane, I'll get my little
sketchbook and I'll draw people as you're looking at their phone.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
That kind of thing my life, drawing stuff. I still
do that.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
You know what's funny because that that'd be a whole
in today's world.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
That's a whole TikTok.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
You draw somebody to give it to them, get their
reaction like that.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
True, actually it actually is. But by my drawings and
my drawings are not TikTok level.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
But you know, okay, so what are what are you
currently geeking out about?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
In today's world?

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Has my nerd nerds? What am I nerding out on?
I can't really say that. There's a lot in nerd
culture that has.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Me, well's hold on, let me, let me give a caveat.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
So we are redefining what geek is, right, So what
we talk about when we say geek, we said, is
not just like nerding out about comic books, anime, comic books,
video games. To me, a geek is somebody that can
go in depth about a specific topic.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So it's like to me because I often have this
conversation about when I talk to somebody who loves sports, right,
I might say, Kobe Bryant's my favorite player.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
However, I may run across somebody who's.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Gonna tell me statistically why Kobe Bryant is not the
best player, and they're gonna go talk, They're gonna quote stats,
they're gonna quote games, And I say, that's some very
geeky shit, Like you're.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
A sports geek, you know what I'm saying. So it
doesn't have to be.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Within the realms of a traditional geek, but something that
you are currently like obsessed geeking with, geeking out over
that you're deep diving into right.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Now, climate change oh shit.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Yeah, sorry to bring down the mood everybody, but the
Earth is on fucking fire and we're in a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous,
dangerous position. The amount of animal this is another mass
extinction that we've caused it. There's been a few mass
extinction events that we're in one right now. So there's
been floods in Mexico, El Salvador, Alaska, Colorado, Arizona.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Spain, Vietnam.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Like the amount of natural disasters, it's it's a biblical
level ship and I mean the coral refs that are dying,
the temperature rising, there's ocean currents that are are not
operating currently the way they're supposed to operate. It's serious. Look,
it's look, it's it's what's the temperature in New York
right now? It is almost the end of October. Because

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I know't Toronto's warm.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Like I said, we're out from the Midwest, Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
it's warm. It's it's normally not warm at this time.
And I tell you all the time, I was like
I walk out and I'm like, oh man, it feel
good out. And then when you think about it too long,
you're like, damn it feel good out.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Ship. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Everyone goes, hold on, this isn't Yeah, it takes it
takes much longer to get into the cold weather than
it should, especially like so climb change is a serious thing.
So if I was writing the movie as society collapse,
the economy collapses and all the technology is taking people's
jobs and people are in the streets fucking protesting and
getting smashed on by the police, it's a big fucking

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flood comes in and makes everyone realize this is all
make belief.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, because you know.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I was, I said, man, bring the aliens. Man, we
need a bigger threat, Like I said, we need something
that shows us.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Like this, this is my ship.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
The aliens come right, they're getting a little tour Earth
and they're like, Yo, what are those?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Those are nuclear missiles? Y'all ain't playing. You was gonna
shoot those at us all y'all was y'all was.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Going to come with it. Look at you got you
gotta get zellion of these things. Whoa you? I have
to know you all was ready like that.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
You're like, we well, they weren't for you.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Right, get each other?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
The alien you be the you. You wasn't playing. You
was gonna blow us the funk up. That's a lot
of fucking firepower.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
It's like it was actually for another human not not
what what?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
What? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
We at war?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Sometimes we go with sometimes we don't like each other,
and sometimes we gotta.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
You ain't those at your own planet?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
That does sound? Dubs a bitch?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
All of them, all of them, all of them.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
All of them, and we don't control all of them.
They got they set and we might throw it at
each other.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, let's just drop that. Hey, that
that lake by the that big city. Let's go swim
in that water. Man, that looks like we should go swimming.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
In that what.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Might be radioactive?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Man, we can't swim and we can't swim in.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
The water swimming at water?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Bro what why? Why not?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's polluted?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
What what I mean?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
We didn't do right by We didn't do right by
our water system.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Okay, okay, Hey, those animals over there, there's not a
few of them in the in the jungle.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
There just seems to be a few. But we should
go look at those animals.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
There's probably where's the rest of them?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Alien's gonna have a lot of questions this is what
you're saying they're gonna have.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
They're gonna be so confused, But.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Where do just off of that? They're gonna be like,
you know what we got?

Speaker 4 (52:23):
We got I've been trying to figure out We've been
looking at your cities from above and we haven't quite
figured what's up with that area where all the people
live outside in tents because you have all these buildings,
but they're like it's at a kind of like city
camping that you do and why do why are they
also dirty?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
They're gonna have a lot of questions, a lot of questions.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yeah, we was looking at your food. I mean it
could go on and you know.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
So you know so it's funny is because you know
we have you have created creatives out here who have
that type of process, Like I would like to think
that that would be something like if the creators of
the Boondocks got a hold of that, like that type
of premise, like that would be or to create like
Seth McFarland with like how he does like American Dad
and family like you like I feel like in animation

(53:14):
is where we have those tongue in cheek but those
moments where it's like holding the mirror to us, Like,
do y'all see what's going on?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
So embarrassing, bro, How embarrassed would you be to explain
humanity to alien?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
All right, so we.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Got two more topics than's some fun topics and we'll
get you out of here. So again, you talked about,
like I said, your issues with the Snyder verse. You
said you saw that coming from three hundred. You know
what I'm saying when he changed some stories in the book.
He talked about, you know, how you would fix Star Wars,
you know, and just just the whole plot point of
just like Star Wars need to get back to you
know what I'm saying the things that the fans love.

(53:52):
I want to know, like, is there any property that
you would love to get your hands part on like
that you would love.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
To Yeah, I'm gonna tell you how we fix Transformers.
You're ready for Transformers. Let's go take Transformers back to
the original cartoon, the original cartoon.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Remember getting the original cartoon. They crash with the dinosaurs,
Yes they did, yep, Okay, So.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Cybertron, Optobots, Decepticons gotta leave same storyline, exact same steer line.
They're going, you know, battle in space with their two spaceships.
But this time we do a little change the what
some super weapon they have on one of the ships,
they turn it on and the other super weapon it
does something they don't expect, and a big kind of
wormholy thing opens and they go through it. Cause it's

(54:39):
kind of like you're just flying and crashed by Earth
and like it's a where's Cybertron? They have take a
left turn, you know what I'm saying, So there's like
a wormhole. They go through the wormhole and they crash
on Earth with the dinosaurs and just exactly like the cartoon,
the eighties come. For some reason, the technology the eighties
turns them on and we have all the stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
But what we find out.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
As they're going through and they you know, they build
the space bridge and all this ship, and what we
realize is that Cybertron, the coordinates the Cybertron are the
exact same coordinates of Earth.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Okay, I think I see where you're going here.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
That wormhole wasn't through, wasn't a distance wormhole. There was
a time wormhole.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
So a cyberchan is just the evolution.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
At one point we killed ourselves and our robots forgot
we ever were here the aliens.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
The aliens came. It was like, all right, we.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Know we do it to ourselves.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
You turn you turned transfer you turned Transformers into a
cautionary tale.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
We did it, We do it.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
We fucked the planet up bad enough that we nothing
survives all. All life is gone and the old things
that the things that survive us are the robots, and.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
They ai and evolve and evolve and evolve and eventually
forget we were over here.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Nah, I would act that that actually, because that that's
always been the complaint about the Transformers movies is that
it's just it's just action, explosion, flashy.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
There was no real.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Depth, real exactly real nerd Ship has depth, Real nerds
Ship takes.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
You, makes you go, oh, Transformers becomes a whole new thing. Now.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Yeah, because now you've got to say, now the autobots
have to say, Okay, if we save humanity, we kill ourselves.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
We have to sacrifice it, right, and.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Then to try to reset it, get things back on track.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Right, and then if you really want to fucking fuck
you up, it's the it's the terminator paradox. Wait, so
if the trance the autobots save humanity as a whole
then wait huh how.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
No, yeah, it give it'll give you some death.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
It'll definitely do so in another world and even even
in general. Like I said, a place that has the
storyline but they can't seem to get their actual film
right is anime. What do you why do you think
that anime can't get get it right like that big
budget m C U DC.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Because what what do you really need anime to do
that it didn't do for you better in the animated form?

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Wh what do right like?

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Because it starts getting silly they like, you know, like
Samurai X right, the cartoon versus.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
The live action just doesn't. I don't know, I just
we just haven't seen it translate.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I think I think anime serves its best purpose as
influence of live action like look At Look At, Look
At the Matrix and Ghost in the Shell. Then when
they try to make Ghost in the Shell, the live
action or the or the scarier part is to make
it smarter to do Ghost in the Shell. They tried
to do the movie Ghost the Shell tries to dumb
down Ghost in the shells. The Ghost in the Shell

(58:03):
is contemplating what life is itself? If we get to
the point that we can program the mind to a
point that you might ever have existed, but you think
you did. And that what does procreation mean to an
artificial intelligence? It's not a copy. A copy isn't a
new life form. It's the merger of two lives to

(58:26):
make a one. These are the questions remember, and goes
to the show that AI is born in the Internet,
so it becomes conscious as a form to essentially almost formless.
There's no central computer that existed. It forgot found consciousness
or became conscious in the Internet itself, then downloads itself

(58:48):
into a body and says, now that I'm in a
body that I want political asidum.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
That's the cartoon.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, in ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
If you're not coming at that level, if you're not
coming at that level, like A Cura, is not an
easy movie to understand. Maybe that's why A Curra doesn't
quite land the same way people wanted to, because you
need to be a real nerd, like teenage level nerds
and get what the fuck they're talking about. But movies
don't work like that. Executives don't Oh I don't get it,
let's go with it. No like And then sometimes when
you don't get it and you let you go with it.
Sometimes it's not it's like the Matrix two and three,

(59:30):
it's like you went too far.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, because I think it's more so just
hope for us anime lovers, because you know, there was
a point of time where we had these stories and
comic books.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
We're like, yo, these are in depth stories, you know.
And then and.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Then the MCU came through and took it seriously, you know,
as much as we love like the Sam Raimi Spider
Man and the you know, the Tim Burton's Batman and
everything like that. Once we got into a level where,
oh shit, this is like the real serious themes and
you know, film thematics and everything like that, it was like,
oh man, I wonder if anime again. I think that

(01:00:05):
that's where the hope for is, Like I get what
you're saying. Like in the anime, they go in debt
with a lot of things, and it's like, yo, we
don't want it to do it better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
We just kind of want to see it translated on film.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
But we don't need you to fix it for us.
We don't need to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
And that's that's that's always the problem, and that's what's happened.
I feel with a couple of different properties, they're out
fixing it for us. Yeah, don't worry everybody, We'll make this.
That's cute. You made you like comics, I'm made an
Oscar winning film and you know, look and Or made
it work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
But and or like it's it's tough that finding that
balance where and where you're respecting it like and or
respected it where a lot of times people think they're
better than the material, right and and they end up
it depends up kind of collapsing on them. But finding
that real level of respect for the material, the source
material is important, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Like I would love to see the Matrix movie. I
want to see is when someone takes the blue pill.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Oh I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah, what if taking the blue pill?

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Isn't it simple? Like oh then that's just whatever? What
if taking the blue pill does do a little something
to you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, because we always assume the blue pill is just
are you taking nothing?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
A little something? I mean, you got this far? What
if what you know what I'm saying, what what what if?

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
What if you took the blue pill and becomes more
of a mession about you take manifesting and start dealing
and you know, really focusing on things.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
What if? What if? What if? What what if taking
the blue pill does something to you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Yeah, that could be an interesting that could be an interesting,
interesting story to tell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I thought about that. I never really thought about that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
So that all right, Well let's get into some some
fun some fun topics and we get you out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
So first day, first, I gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I know you probably people have probably already done it
to you before, but I definitely got to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I need your top five director x videos on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Top five, I don't know off the top of my head.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I'll say, get me like, uh sure you got a
bad hotline bling Donald Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Ware want to be.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Uh Jadakis because you said it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Oh right, man, I'll be that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, So in your
in your geek room.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Because so again it's obviously you're a big.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Star Wars NERD Star Wars Geek top five Star Wars properties.
So that's including shows, cartoons, movies, your top five.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
It doesn't have to be in order their original trilogy.
There's only three. There's only three Star Wars movies. Okay,
there's only three. Okay, a new hope, Empire strikes back,
Return the Jedi. Rogue One gets point five. It's half
a Star Wars movie just because it's not. But it's
close enough even there even is it? But to be

(01:02:53):
those are the so the prequels, well, okay, so percent
top five properties. Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Put it like this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
I took my son, he was like five years old
as he Rogue one, and I first I remember like
he loved Lego Star Wars when he's a little boy.
He loved Lego Star Wars. And when the trailer for
Rogue one came around, my brother in law, law is
another nerd, and we like, we were watching it. Joe,
you know, tell my son, come on over here, boy,
look at this right, And he looked at it for
like twesdays, and he left. Didn't interest him. He's young, young,

(01:03:21):
he liked Lego Star Wars. But then but then by
the time it was coming out, Rogue and was coming out,
he was He looked at the trailer again. He was engaged, right,
so I'll go, okay, and I sat him down. I
showed him Star Wars, right, showed him Star Wars, watched
the whole thing all the way in went to go
see Rogue one. Edge of his sy watches the whole
thing all the way in. As we're leaving, I say, hey,

(01:03:43):
what was your favorite part of Rogue one? He goes
when the Millennium Falcon blew up the Death Star. So
your so your favorite part of Rogue one was Star Wars?
He goes, yep, I go fair, okay, so I keept
Brogue one a point five and being like a true

(01:04:04):
Star Wars movie property, but properties, of course the original trilogy,
I'm put Rogue one in there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I got too many issues with.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
The prequels, the the Disney Star Wars I can't even discuss.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
So we got four there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
What would be my fifth Star Wars property that I
would say, yo, hmmm mmm oh Season one of the Mandalorian.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah, yeah, Season one of Man Laurian was Man. That was?

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
That was Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
That made me dive deeper into the Star Wars ip
because my brother he's more of the Star Wars geek
on our podcast and everything, and I was. I was
a casual. After watching Mandalorian, I said, I'm watching everything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I went back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
In fact, I'm gonna I'm since I gave Rogue one
A point five. I'm gonna add and Or and Rogue
one is one whole thing. So and Or, the original
trilogy and season one of the Mandalorian those are all
that's real Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Okay, all right, all right, So the last, the last
segment that we have is called geek Set Hypotheticals.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Now, this is a very This is on some nerd ship.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Zombie apocalypse, robot apocalypse, alien apocalypse. Which one do you
believe that you would be able to survive the longest?

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
The robot apocalypse? Okay, let me break it down how
it goes down. So we have the war with the machines.
They beat us, right, the machines begin to the beginning
of the cybertran Nation of Earth begins, and so the robots.
You thought we didn't care, We don't care about the environment.
The robots don't give a fuck. They're they're doing all

(01:05:43):
kinds of wild shit. And then somehow in the in
the mix up, they unlock the zombie apocalypse. So, okay,
so the zombie apocalypse is happening with the robots and
the last few humans. But then when the aliens show up,
the robots and the humans have to join forces against

(01:06:05):
the aliens and the zombies all at all at once,
because I guess something maybe we'll make like zombie blood
is like toxic to machines or something.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
You know what I'm saying. It's like corrosive.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
So even even the machines gotta the zombies are a
problem for the machines, you know what I mean. But
that's yeah, So we get back the robots and the machines.
Remember that were related, were their parents, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
We ally, we got we got to ally.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
With them, We got at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
The predator.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Definitely. Definitely all right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Man, So man, what what do you got going coming
up that you need our support on that you need
people to support you with.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
I mean nothing that I can that I need to
support with beyond I know what would be great? Everyone
should go check out the documentary that I made with
my production comp with nine. I have a community organization
called Operation Prefrontal Cortex. Yes, Yes, and we made a
documentary called Quiet Mind, Silent Streets. It is about a
community in Toronto. So basically, Operation Prefrontal Cortex is an

(01:07:06):
organization educating people about the meditation, how it can reduce
violence and help heal trauma from violence, the parts of
the brain that deal with emotion and decision making. Right,
if you if you grew up in a neglect, if
you're a neglected growing up, if you're abused growing up,

(01:07:26):
if you are right now stressed, all these things, they
make the part of your brain that deals with emotion,
the amigdala, bigger, big emotions, and they make the part
of your brain that deal with decision making smaller. Right,
your prefrontal cortex, and when you when these when that's
big and this is small, I'm doing back here, but
it's really like in here, you know what I'm saying.

(01:07:50):
That's when your amigala is big and your prefrontal cortex
is small, your emotions are big, and they can turn
off your prefrontal cordinet cortex. Your emotions can turn off
your decision which is if you've ever blacked out. I've
heard someone say I blacked out, Right, It's like something
happens and then there's a moment of their memory drops
and then that's the that's the switch turning off, and

(01:08:11):
then they're just doing something right. So meditation can reverse that.
Meditation can shrink your amigdala and give volume to your
prefront of cortex. So your gut, your emotions are your gut, right,
and your prefrontal cortex are your muscles. And if you
start going to the gym and your muscles get bigger
and your gut gets smaller, when you go to the

(01:08:32):
brain gym, your gut gets smaller and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Your muscle gets bigger.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Okay, And this will help you control one that snap
you can if you snap here will begin to pull back,
pull back, pull back, pull back. If you meditate for
a while, you'll have a moment like huh, not long.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Ago, I would have.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
You know, there was a time when I would have
had a little something to do say.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
About that, and now I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Right, we'll do that to you. And the more you meditate,
the better for you. And the same thing happens with trauma, right,
and the trauma from these experiences. Meditation helps with that
as well. So like Toronto had, like a lot of
cities had a really nasty wave of gun violence a
few years ago. It still happens, but we've had you know,
every city's kind of had their moment, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
And there's a community out there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
In Toronto called malten Right, and Malton is like this
small little city that when you're in Toronto, you're you're
never gonna meet anyone from Malton. I don't know if
they don't say they're from Malten, but for whatever, the
Malten people are just I don't know, that's it. But
Malton is one of them kind of little pockets. And
they had a really bad wave of gun violence. And
there was a kid who got killed, Jonathan Davies. You know,

(01:09:44):
there's some kids in a parking lot and some other
kids pulled up, one hundred and forty rounds fired, and
Jonathan Wood had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
He's just waiting to get picked up. He gets hit
by a straight bullet. He gets killed, and it rocks the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Community, you know, just you know, when you're in school,
just someone you know, someone would die for some reason.
It just rocks the whole school, right, And that's what happened.
And this teacher is looking at her class, really affected
by this death, and she says, let's try meditation. And
one of the ways that she gets the class to
try it is by showing them a Ted talk I
did called Message to the man who shot Me, and

(01:10:18):
which is about what I'm talking about here. So they
start meditating, and then we start getting letters like hey,
we're meditating because you know, blah blah blah, and we
we're at the time the operation was talking to Headspace,
the meditation app about doing something together, and we shot
a documentary about these kids. And so it's a really
great way to see that. So one supporting me would

(01:10:40):
be watching it, and then two supporting all of us,
would be showing someone anyone in your life, like hey,
take a look's like fifteen minutes. It's real easy, especially
if you're a teacher, especially if you work with young people.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
This would be a great documentary, the show of any class,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
I mean, of course, you might think young black kids
in the hood, okay, cool, but you know, even at
some kids, some suburban kids, because executives, it's this the
power of meditation. We're coming out of such an extreme
space is powerful. So one watch it to start showing
it to people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Share it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, I'll make sure to link it in there, and
I probably probably embedded in this video, you know what
I'm saying, to make sure people can see it, like
the trailer, the trailer portion of it, so that way
people can get to it. But man, I want to say,
man again, Man, thank you so much, you know, for
this interview. Again, as somebody who loves hip hop and
somebody who loves people who can geek out about certain
things that they're passionate about, this conversation was really really dope,

(01:11:35):
and I want to say from geek set, from the culture,
from blurred culture, from hip hop culture, again man, thank
you for everything that you have given us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Thank you for this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
We will continue to support you with everything that you
got coming up, and we'll definitely make sure we spread
that word about that documentary for you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I appreciate it. Thank you, no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
And as always, this is the only podcast that blend
hip hop culture and geek coachure together.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
I've been your boy, duces.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
This has been the amazing direct Actually we are out
He's I mean, what the fuck we're talking about here
Fridays we are talking a brand new show bringing you

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Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
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cartoon intro.

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Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
You gotta haves around the anime Drip.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
And Jojos Our Adventure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
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