Ch-ch-ch-changes: The 20 Most Revolutionary 80s Music Videos, Part 1

"The more that things change, the more they stay the same... Nevertheless, we have to keep pushing forward. We have to keep moving that line forward in order to make a better tomorrow for all of us." - Sharon Johnson

Welcome to 80s TV Ladies The Winds of Ch-ch-ch-change!
In this special episode—the first half of an epic two-part spectacular—hosts Susan Lambert Hatem and Sharon Johnson are joined by their fabulous producer Melissa to talk about the massive personal transitions currently unfolding in all of their lives. With both Susan and Sharon in the middle of major moves, the ladies take a heartwarming, funny, and deeply honest look at packing up decades of memories, downsizing, and the emotional weight of nostalgia.

But a season of change wouldn't be complete without the ultimate 1980s soundtrack! The ladies kick off Part 1 of their definitive countdown of the 20 Most Revolutionary 80s Music Videos, diving into the first 13 incredible videos on their list. They explore how the golden era of MTV transformed visual storytelling, artist autonomy, and pop culture forever. From groundbreaking feminist rap anthems and synth-pop milestones to a full-blown Madonna masterclass and jaw-dropping stop-motion animation, this conversation is a sparkling, nostalgic reflection on turning the page to the next chapter.

THE CONVERSATION

- THE WINDS OF CHANGE: Sharon, Susan and Melissa discuss the nature of personal and professional transitions—navigating the "two steps forward, one step back" rhythm of life and why we must keep pushing forward for a better tomorrow.
- THE FOREIGN COUNTRY OF THE PAST: Susan opens up about packing up her home after 19 years, three kids, a house full of pets, and how digging into old boxes feels like visiting a foreign country where “they do things differently there.”
- MOVING ACROSS THE U.S.A.: Sharon shares the bittersweet reality of leaving Southern California after 42 and a half years to move back to the Midwest, explaining how she is judiciously sorting through her life to downsize into her mother's home in Indianapolis.
- CUE THE ROBIN, DEER, AND EAGLE: Producer Melissa shares an incredibly moving, cinematic story about losing her mother and brother Dougie, and a persistent red robin that visited her window in Pennsylvania alongside a herd of deer and a majestic bald eagle overhead.
- LOVELY PARTING GIFTS & PRECIOUS VHS TAPES: The ladies talk about finding new homes for nostalgia, including Sharon giving away her classic Mark and Brian radio memorabilia on Facebook and her absolute refusal to let go of her original Star Wars trilogy on VHS—because the prequels simply do not exist!
- FRESHMAN YEAR AT THE COLISEUM: Susan reminisces about discovering her oversized 1984 Bruce Springsteen Born in the U.S.A. concert souvenir tour program from her freshman year at USC, back when legendary stadium tickets were only $25. (Actually, according to the internet, the tickets cost $17.50!)
- CH-CH-CH-CHANGES (PART 1): The main event kicks off as the ladies begin their countdown of the most revolutionary music videos of the decade, highlighting how the rise of MTV reshaped the cultural landscape.
- THRILLER (Sharon’s Pick): Sharon kicks it off with the music video credited with transforming music videos into the stratosphere - and into short, storytelling films. She also talks about learning the zombie dance and how it transformed her exercise routine!
- TAKING CONTROL (Susan's Pick): Susan spotlights Janet Jackson's seminal "Control" music video, directed by Mary Lambert (no relation, though Susan wishes she had pretended otherwise!). This was quite literally the album and song when Ms. Jackson declared her independence over her career after leaving her new husband, James DeBarge, and firing her manager (and father) Joseph Jackson. A revolutionary move and every song speaks to finding her voice.
- I'M STILL STANDING (Susan's Pick): A deep dive into Elton John's ultimate comeback anthem, exploring his personal resilience and the hilarious realization by the ladies that Dancing with the Stars judge Bruno Tonioli is one of the featured neon dancers in the video.
- LOVE SHACK (Sharon's Pick): Sharon and Susan takes a trip down the Atlanta highway looking for the B-52s' legendary "Love Shack" and celebrating its pure, joyful energy.
- LADIES FIRST (Susan's Pick): Susan pays tribute to Queen Latifah’s revolutionary 1989 feminist rap anthem "Ladies First" (featuring Monie Love) from her debut album, All Hail the Queen.
- THE MADONNA TWO-FER (Sharon's Picks): Sharon talk about her favorit

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Weirdy way Media.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Stand so pretty through the city man.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Welcome to Eighties TV Ladies Season four.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
The winds of change and they are upon us.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Let's join in and work together for a better tomorrow.
Here are your fabulous hosts, Susan Lamberton had Them and
Sharon Johnson.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hello.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm Susan, Hi, and I'm Sharon. It's said, the more
that things change, the more they stay the same. For me,
that means that it's it's part and parcel of the whole.
Two steps forward, one step back. Things will move forward
a little bit, things will change a little bit, and
then it really kind of things seem to want to
push back. So to keep thinks get things back to
where they were before. Nevertheless, we have to keep pushing forward.

(01:03):
We have to keep moving that line forward in order
to make a better tomorrow for all of us.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I definitely agree with that. You know, there's a lot
of change upon us, both professionally, personally, globally, nationally, but
mostly personal right now, because, as it turns out, we're
always in the midst of great change and challenges. We're
taking a mid season break because both Sharon and I

(01:30):
are moving and all three of us have been going
through incredible months of change right now. So I'm going
through old boxes of stuff, and I was reminded of
a quote from one of the first films I saw
when I got to USC film school, a foreign film
in terms of it. It was British and it was a
quote that starts the film and it said, the past

(01:51):
is a foreign country. They do things differently there. And
it stuck with me so much. I don't remember the
rest of the film, but it's called The Go Between.
It's a nineteen seventy one film based on a nineteen
fifty three novel, and it stuck with me. And so
I've been going through the foreign country of my past
as I'm trying to clear out and clear out boxes

(02:12):
and things. And I've had a lot of pasts, past
lives that I've lived in this last fifteen years. How
about you shared what's.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Up with you on a similar basis. I am moving.
Unlike you who are moving across town. I am moving
across the good old us of A, leaving my home
of southern California, my home of the last forty two
and a half years, and moving back to the Midwest
to Indianapolis to stay with my mom, who's at a

(02:47):
point that she could use someone else in the house
with her. She's doing remarkably well, you know, for.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
A woman of her age.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
But nevertheless, you know, I had to move anyway, and
it seemed like it was time, which was always the
plan for quite some time. So my packing has involved
a number of different piles of stuff because since I'm
not moving into a new place or it can just
basically just put everything in a box and take it
with me. I'm actually I'm sorting and figuring out what's staying,

(03:20):
what's going, what's being donated, What can I give to
somebody else that still has some use? Can I find
somebody else who's still interested in some of these things
that still have some use. And over the last month
or so a lot of that has worked out. Things
are pretty much in place for my move in a
few weeks, and just the last few eyes to dot
and teas to cross, in addition to just waiting for

(03:42):
the time to pass, last few people to you know,
groups of people, groups of friends to bid farewell to
at least for now until I come back for a visit,
you know. So it's but it's been interesting stuff I've forgotten.
I had memories, it all brought back.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
It's it's been.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
It's been very interesting, this whole process of moving and
going for your stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, I haven't. I moved in with Richard like twenty
three years ago. Then we moved into this house nineteen
years We bought it nineteen years ago, which is crazy
in March. So it's pretty crazy that we've been here
through three kids, six animals, three dogs, three cats, and

(04:30):
we still have three animals left, two dogs, one cat.
Lot of life here, but we're downsizing because we're also
down to one child in the house who's no longer
a child eighteen. And it's it is very because why
I'm doing the same thing. We are doing the same thing.
Jerry didn't plan it this way. That was circumstance dictated.

(04:55):
That's crazy that it ended up happening at the same time.
So weird to weed through your life and be like,
oh I remember this moment. Do I need this thing
to help me remember it?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
And it's the fact that I am moving into my
mother's house where space is it a premium for my
stuff means that I have to be very judicious about
what I keep, which has turned out not to be
as difficult as.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I thought it might be. I might be like, oh,
I want to keep it.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Oh, you know, because when I moved into the place
where I'm staying now nine and a half years ago,
I had space for all this stuff and all the
other stuff I collected. I don't have that anymore, and
I know it. So it's like, Okay, I don't need
to keep this for sentimental value. I'm glad I had it,
or had that experience or whatever wore that thing, but
I don't need it anymore, or it doesn't fit anymore.

(05:46):
It doesn't fit my life anymore. But I'm glad I
had it, and it's time to let it go. I
am so trying to live in that place.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I mean, we are. We are getting rid of a
lot of things, but it's still we expanded. This is
a big house. We have a big house and a
big space and a shed and an attic. We do
all sorts of projects, and then I just store everything.
I've got costumes from various productions.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, when you moved in here, you had to have
space for additional people than you have now too. Yeah,
and so some of those people have moved out and
started their lives elsewhere, but you still have all the space.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, and we are definitely going to a smaller house.
I'm excited. It's adorable, it's very cute. I love it.
I can't wait to show it to everybody. And we're
going to recreate our podcast studio in the garage there.
Our garage here was converted into my office and game
room and then ultimately podcast studio, and so we're going

(06:43):
to basically do the same thing, but we'll have to
do some construction in order to do that. But it's
very exciting and very weird and very crazy to be
at this juncture in your life. Everything is changing very fast.
I'm going to swing over to Melissa and have her
join and talk about any changes. You did this a

(07:04):
long time ago, though you already picked up your life
and put it into a trailer. Yes, you did this
ten years ago. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes, yes, stuff is still in boxes that I never
because my apartment just never could fit everything. It's in
the garage and boxes. But it's good, Sharon that you're
going to be with your mom.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely, It's been the plan that this
is what would happen at some point. It's just It
was a little unexpected, but circumstances just sort of came
together that made it this is.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
The right time.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, happily, nothing well nothing as far as Mom's concerned
in terms of her fitness, et cetera. But still other
circumstances sort of pushed this decision to right.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Now, that happened to me after I did sell my
home and blow up my life on a trailer and
I got in a big accident. I ended up back
in Pennsylvania because the accident happened in West Virginia, and
so I was in Pennsylvania when the pandemic started and
I was able to help take care of my mom
when she needed it.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
It was a confluence.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
It was just the weirdest thing that I ended up
being there, and it was really important to have those
two years with her.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, that's really special. Yeah. Yeah, I feel far from
my mom and you know, and it's do you feel
like that time is pretty precious? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I feel very lucky that the pandemic sent me there
for whatever reason, the accident and everything. But yeah, because
I did just lose my mom after her ninety fifth birthday,
just days after her ninety fifth birthday, and she got
to see her second grand great grandson wow newborn on

(08:49):
the FaceTime.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
So, yeah, that's really hard.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
It's been rough, and I wish I could tell the
bird story.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's a little long if you were at comfortable.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
So I also lost my brother. I grew up for
four brothers and me for many years and lost my
brother Dougie almost twelve years ago, maybe ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
So I stay at my brother Judd's home when I'm
in Pennsylvania, and I had been planning to go back
along with my nieces for my mom's ninety fifth birthday anyway,
so they were staying in the house too, So I
had a different room that I'm usually in. So Day one,
I'm standing with my niece and she can she can testify.

(09:35):
We're standing at the sliding glass door. And they live
in a very kind of last piece of property that's
not developed, with a couple other houses that a lot
of wildlife goes through. And there's a little creek in Pennsylvania,
lots of trees and lots of birds. So i'ms any,
I'm standing in the sliding glass door and this robin,

(09:56):
red robin comes up to the siding class door on
the other side. It just starts like dancing up and
down me on the other side, like hitting. Yeah, and
I'm like, wow, I wonder if it's Dougie, you know,
just because it popped into my head. And later our
friend Susan, our friend Christa, told me that in some

(10:20):
culture somewhere, when you see a bird, you have an
interaction with the bird and you think of somebody.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's them that you know. Oh, so she confirms it.
It's like, okay, Dougie.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I am now in the basement bedroom, which is
different for me, and so the window is ground level.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Okay, yeah, oh god, I know those East Coast.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yes, which is great because I look out onto the
grass and it's wonderful. So in the morning, I'm woken
up by this robin that keeps like hitting the same robin.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, I'm about to.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Think it's the same robin because for the next four
days it wakes me up every day.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
On my window.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
The first day, the first day, it was a little nutty.
It was like Dougie orchestrating like a little movie. It's like, okay,
send in the deer because the thing wakes me up,
and I'm like what and I go up to the
window and there's a little herd of maybe a pack
of fifteen that hangs around.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
But they're all there, like staring at the house. So
I go out. I'm not kidding you.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I go outside to look at the deer, like, hi, deer,
and as I they're just staring at the house.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
And you know where I come from, came from, And.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So I swear as I step out, I look up
and a bald eagle flew overhead.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Come on, Oh my gosh, I swear this is the true.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Oh that's a black tail, oh and a white head.
Oh you.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
So, But four days, those four days and up until
my mom died, this robin and I can show you
the video of it. He just comes and hits the
window to wake me up every morning. And what I
think first Dougie just wanted to be part of the action.
But I also think it was meant to tell me

(12:39):
to the last thing is I was hugging my mom
and talking to her in her ear. I said, you
could fly away, just like a bird. Wow, And that
was it. Yeah, she passed away.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
That's pretty beautiful. Excuse me, Yeah, oh, I know. I
think it was your brother. I totally think it was
your brother.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, to remind me to say that too, and then
as the bird never showed up after that, okay, yeah
it was your brother.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
It was your brother, and it was to both remind
you of that but also to come help m yeah
and make it okay. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, he was
there waiting for her. Yeah. Yeah, that's the bird story.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
That's a great, wonderful story, beautiful story.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
It's such a weird time of our lives. You know,
there's all sorts of transitions all through your lives. This
is the time in my life where it feels the
most dramatic. Every moment feels dramatic, which is I've usually
just been like, you know, I'm gonna gonna move out

(13:58):
to California school, I'm going to go do this now,
I'm going to be a documentarian. Oh, I'm going to
do in theater.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I just like a little rumba in my life. It's
just like, oh, I just keep going until it hit
an obstacle, and if I can't get over it, I
just back up and move in another direction. And this
is it's heavier, but it's also more meaningful. It's so
interesting how much life we've had in this house. How

(14:26):
many productions I've done in this house, how many podcasts
I've done in this house. How many fundraisers fundraisers we've
done in this house. How many parties we've had in
this house. How many back to school events we've had
in this we hosted all like every year we hosted
it back to school event for one one child or
another's class. And it feels full, like every moment feels full.

(14:50):
And that was sort of a blessing. But it's also
a little bit harder to leave. It's a little bit like, oh.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Well, this is a real transition from one phase of
your life to another, from one phase of our lives
to another. I mean it's a it's a real demarcation
that part is over and we're going forward to whatever
comes next.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
You know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
And this life was so full, you know, the home
is Yeah, it was so full.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah. And I'm excited, I mean so excited about the
new house. I can't wait to show it to you guys.
It's going to be really fun. And it is. It's
just a little, not even a little, it's a lot smaller.
It's a lot smaller, and it's as big as you need,
and that yeah, it is as big as we need.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's so funny because we looked for one day when
we bought this house in two thousand and seven. We
looked a lot longer for this house and we found
it and we were pretty sure, but we had already
lost a couple of houses. We had a limit we
couldn't go past it, and a lot of houses were
going for well over asking, and so we said, we

(15:57):
can go a little bit on this one. So we
were sort of like, if we don't get it, we
can't be heartbroken, because you know, there were two houses
we already kind of were in love with and then
couldn't pay what they went for. So we kept on
that list of here's the new houses, here's the new houses,
looking in case there was something better while we were
trying to get this one house and there wasn't. I

(16:20):
finally told our realtor that she could stop.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
A couple of weeks leparties.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I think you can stop any properties. Well, I'm very
excited about it, but it's a lot of work to
back up this house. There's a lot of work to
get rid of stuff. I am trying to do that culling,
but I have to kind of do it twice, like
I do the first call, and then I have to
go back and go do I really need this? I
know it's meaningful, but do I need it?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Well, we don't need anything. It's a question of what
can you can you let go of?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Not what I mean.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
There's a lot of stuff I'm not letting go of
that I don't need. But there's a lot of stuff
that I had that I let go of and didn't
need also, But I was okay with letting go in Yeah,
I found new homes for things. I was a longtime

(17:15):
listener of Mark and Brian, who were on the radio
here in the eighties and nineties and into the two
thousands here, and they used to give out what they
called these lovely parting gifts. And I had let's say,
maybe about ten different ones or whatever that were sitting
in a thing somewhere, and I went, oh, yeah, I
have these. Well I don't want to throw them away.
I don't need them, but I don't want to throw
them away. So I went on Facebook and said to

(17:39):
the group of other former listeners, I got this stuff
I'm happy to give away.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Somebody came and got them. That's great.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, so this is perfect. That's exactly what I need.
I don't want I don't want to have to throw.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
This away and we're going to have a moving sale
and I'm giving away Like I have all this stuff
from the eighties too, I have. I just found my
nineteen eighty four Born to Run Bruce Springsteen concert book.
Oh fantastic. Really it's oversized and it's like like a

(18:13):
thick magazine.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
What.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I clearly bought a concert that I went to at
the coliseum across from USC freshman year. One of my
roommates was like, we're gonna go see Bruce Springsteen. I
was like, oh okay, and I just went with them
and the tickets were like twenty five dollars something like
that you could do and it was like the most

(18:36):
amazing concert I've ever been to. Yeah, so I was like,
a holy crap. I still have that. I have my
Star Wars album I have.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
I have Star Wars albums, and I have the first
four movies. Do not existence for me on vhs that
I am keeping? Yeah, because those are yes, now, I
have them on dv I'm keeping these.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Do I need them? No? But this is something that
I'm keeping. I think it is okay to keep emotional stuff,
recognizing that the emotion doesn't live there. It still lives
in you. But we are very tactile, like our memories
are tied to things right and smells, apparently. But since

(19:24):
we were going through changes, I thought it would be
fun to do an episode where we look at music
videos from the eighties about change. I've been listening to
a lot of music, and I've been seeing a lot
of stuff from the eighties and the seventies and the
nineties and the thousands. So we are going to do

(19:45):
Sharon's Mine top ten music videos about change from the
eighties eighties music video ch changes. When did MTV start?
It was? I was seventy nine, I want to say
seventy nine eighty. I know I was.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Still ready because eighty eighty one I was still in
August first, nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I hadn't moved here yet, So okay, yeah, yeah. My
first video was video Killed the Radio STARO Killed the
Radio Star.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Video Killed the Radio Star in my mind and in
my heart?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
What was the second music video? I don't know clue whatsoever.
According to Google, Pat Benatar's You Better run wowar, I
love that music video. That's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well, I actually went more along the lines of videos
that I loved, songs that I loved.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, decided to do your own assng.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I just I'm looking through and I'm just going, oh
my god, these songs, these videos, Oh my gosh, this one,
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
It was a lot of that going on. So you
had your own, your own kind of I mean, could
I make a make a case for change.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
It's probably on the periphery to a large extent, but
that's okay.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
But some of it was also things.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
That were an indication of what was changing in terms
of music and was changing in terms of.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Video, even at that early stage. Well, I tried to
stay true to the assignment because I'm I'm a very
good student. You are, I was raised to be a
very good student. So as I I think I'm finally
at my rebels stage, your life life, screw that up.
Whatever I want, which I also appreciate, but I was like, no,

(21:37):
it has to be not just a song about change,
but a music video that I liked about change from
the eighties. That's that was my assignment. Sharon's was whatever
she wants. From the eighties. You did stick to the eighties.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
It was very much a walked out, absolutely, very much
a walk down memory lane much. I used to listen
to music, which I really don't that much, and we used.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
To watch it. Yes, and I have MTV. I didn't
for a long time, but we had to have cable.
You had to have cable, And I.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Believe it or not, I thought when I moved to California,
I thought, well, of course, everybody has cable in the
neighborhood I moved in, who didn't have cable for years
after I moved there. So there were some things that
I missed. But when you watched EMTV back then, you
had to sit and wait for your favorite song, or
if there was a song you were waiting for, you
to wait for it to show up. You didn't know

(22:33):
how long it would be before it would come on,
and if you missed it, you didn't know how long
it would be again before they played again. And there
was no internet, there was no YouTube or whatever.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
There was a lot of delayed gratification exactly exact, but
more immediate than the generation before I write. I will
admit I had to go to friends' houses to watch MTV.
We didn't have cable at our house until I was graduates.
Cool one that I was gone, I was out of
the house. But all right, so, Sharon, I think you

(23:04):
should start give us your first nineteen eighties music video
that's meaningful to you.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
While it is in some ways a change agent, if
you will, in that. Unlike most music videos, this was
a short film that had a music video in it,
and I'm talking about Michael Jackson's Thriller Ah. So it
was this whole story. If you haven't seen it, please
go watch it. It really is pretty phenomenal. But one

(23:34):
of the other reasons I chose it, frankly, is because
I had a friend who actually had lunch with last week,
who took me to her dance class Halloween week. I'd
never been to a dance class before, and they taught
us the dance from Thriller.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Fun.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
That was amazing, that whole zombie dance thing. And after
that I took dance classes for a few years instead
of going to the gym. A lot more fun, believe me,
on the treadmill and on the things.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It was. It was awesome. It was great.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I don't to this day, I don't remember why I stopped.
At some point I did, though, stopped and I started
going to the gym. But I wasn't happy about that.
But yes, so Thriller Michael Jackson is at the top
of my list.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
His Holy a movie.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
It's not funny.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
I'm scared of working.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh listen, that scared.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
I'm scared.

Speaker 9 (24:42):
It's supposed to me night something. He was a looking
on the door, almost stops hard. You try to scream,
but takes the suv.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
People.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
If you make me.

Speaker 10 (25:05):
You start to read.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
The right between Nis young Faver. I totally approve of that.
Because it did came out in nineteen eighty three, directed
by John Landis. It totally changed music videos. It was
a short film with a music video in it. It
was so clever and that dance was so incredible. It

(25:32):
solidified Michael Jackson being the king of music videos. Basically,
it solidified, you know that you could do anything in
a music video and people would love it, and that
that's still less our kids have learned the thriller dance.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
And because a lot of a lot of music videos
more than not were concert recreations of videos as opposed
to telling a story through whatever song, that it was
promoting for all intons and purposes, and this was really
I think the first one that really did that in
the way that this.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Did as big as it did. Like, yeah, yeah, so
that was my That was a tough one. All right,
that's that's pretty good. And I'm going to say it
is a change agent. It was really credible.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Is that the first time he publicly nationally moonwalk? Did
the moonwalk? No, I don't think so. I think he
was doing that. I don't know when it was. When
the first time was. I mean he'd already done Billy
Jean by then.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't remember. I don't remember. Oh Billy right, I
don't know. Good question. I'm going to leave that up
to the fans. I'm not even going to look it up.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah if you had one, But I'm going when did
Michael Jackson first introduce the moonwalk into his actor into
his music videos?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And let us know that's awesome. I'm going to have
to ask you to not hit the table. Sorry, like
you're like one of our guests. You're like, whoa hands off?
Hands off? Who was it had jewelry on? And who
came in? Yes, yes, it was somebody that had jewelry on.

(27:13):
All right, my turn. The first one I thought of,
I really thought of Janet Jackson and basically control for
me because I remember that music video directed by Mary Lambert,
a woman, no relation, no relation, though I sure wish
I had been smart enough to pretend when I was

(27:33):
starting a help. Oh yeah, Mary Lambert, she's my cousin.
There's a lot of Lamberts in the world. I have
to say that those very prolific people. The Lambert's, The Lambert's. Uh.
It was choreographed by Paula Abdul. It was a concert
kind of video, but it felt like groundbreaking. Jan Jackson
felt so groundbreaking, overshadowed in a lot of ways by

(27:58):
Michael Jackson and yet not like managed to not be
as overshadowed as almost all the other Jackson's and forged
her own path to me.

Speaker 10 (28:21):
Money up in.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
God. I think she does not get the credit she
deserves for the career that she has had. I think
we could do an entire podcast on Janet Jackson because

(28:52):
there's that much groundbreaking stuff going on with Janet Jackson
and that that album was incredible, but all of her
new videos were incredible, So yeah, then this took things
for her and it started taking things for her in
a different direction from sort of the teenager, early twenties
young woman that she was.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
And of course the total of it is called control,
and it's about her trying to take control of her work,
her life, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes, it felt feminist to me at the time. I
don't know if she meant it that way, but I'm
going to say she didn't.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, Rhythm Nation was a very political Yes, yeah, top
to bottom, agreed well to that end.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
On my list, and my list is really not in
any particular orders. I'm just going to throw stuff out
there as needed. Rhythm Nation is on my list. As
I said earlier, a lot of my choices have to
do more with my feelings about a particular song as
well as about the particular video and the artist. And
I think for me that was one that was revelatory

(29:54):
for me for about Janet Jackson and what she could
do and what she was as an artist done around
as opposed to just being Michael Jackson's little sister.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Five four three, feeling.

Speaker 10 (30:29):
My son to the cove nine Let's go together to
love you I process in.

Speaker 11 (30:43):
Operation.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's a great one because and another one that totally
changed things such a sharp I mean, every movement in
that video is friggin amazing, every moment. It is so
impressive to watch. Now, if you haven't seen it, go
see it right now. Go look them up. We're gonna
have all the links in our description. That was so groundbreaking.

(31:13):
All right, So my next one, and I'm kind of
going in order, but I like that you jumped around.
This one's another from nineteen eighty three.

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(33:04):
So mine's also from nineteen eighty three Elton John. I'm
still standing. I thought of the song first, and then
I went to look at the music video, and I
had forgotten about it. But it is such a bonker's
eighties pop music music video. It's directed by Russell Russell mckahey,

(33:27):
who later directed Highlander movies. But it is. It's so crazy.
It's shot in CON's and Nie and it's like it
feels like a Broadway musical from the eighties. And there's
literally a line in the song about clowns, and they
cut to shot of two mime clowns dancing and kissing

(33:52):
each other. It's that kind of eighties music video. It's
that kind of crazy. But the song is really great.
As you said, they shot it and Ken and they
at the beach. The setting is stunning. You can never

(34:15):
know what it's like.

Speaker 12 (34:16):
You're blood like when ifs it just like us and
there's a golden.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Lo the light that shots from you. You whine, I'm
at the rick. You hid behind that mask.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You use.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And did you think the school will never win? Well,
look at me.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I'm coming back up again.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
I gotta take your bluff NOFL for all with me.

Speaker 12 (34:35):
And if you need to know, while I'm still standing,
you just fed anyway.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Here, don't you know?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I'm still standing a man aft looking like a.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Like a madsket.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
You're right, they shot at the beach, but it looked
like Miami when I first saw it, I remember thinking
it was Miami. But there is a beach at Miami. Yes,
but it was con is it can? Is it gone?

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I always say con. I have no idea if that's
correct or not, but I'm just going with that today.
I should know I was once anyway. I thought it
was pretty crazy. Yeah, and it was also a slightly
different Elton John. I don't know if we've seen him
out there bouncing around like that at the beach and

(35:24):
the top hat and the cane and all that before,
you know. I mean, let's say he's worn some crazy stuff,
don't get me wrong. And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I haven't tracked Elton John's career, but I feel like
it kind of brought him up somewhere. It feels to me,
I'm gonna just say it, even though I have no
clue whether I'm correct or not, but it feels like
maybe he was sort of waning and then this waxed
him like I'm still standing and literally is what the
song's about. It's like, I'm still here, I'm still rocking,

(35:54):
I'm still pump.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
He'd been through a lot of personal stuff in the
years preceding this, and I think I always sort of
took this as a way to say, I'm still literally
still standing I'm still out here. I'm still doing the work,
I'm still having a good time, and yeah, I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
That's cool.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
As you mentioned here, Bruno Toannoli from Dancing with the
Stars is one of the dancers. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, that was crazy because it was fun to look
at these music videos and they're always there. Yeah, so
that was mine, all right.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
So next for me, let's see, I think I'm gonna
go with Love Shack by the B fifty twos. Well,
that is a lot about chain.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
I don't know for sure whether or not Elton was
out at that point or even partially out at that point,
but certainly the B fifty two's had their two lead
male singers who were out and such a great song
it was. It was reminiscent of the past but also
had a kind of future in it as well. I mean,

(36:56):
the way they dressed was very fifties and stuff, but
still the music was fair fairy eighties and it's just
so happy and and just joyful, just basically saying we're
going to have a good time.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yep, We're going to love Shack and we're having a
good time.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
I got me all at the well and we're We're
not We're down.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I'm not shocking. I got me right, Fox money Shot.

(37:52):
I loved it, And of course the Bee fifty twos
are Georgia band heading down the Atlanta Highway. So I've
always loved that song, and I've always looked for the
Love Shack somewhere between Atlanta and Athens, which I think
it's that's where it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that there
was a specific Well, they were out of Athens.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
They were out of Athens, Georgia, and so there is
a highway that runs from Atlanta to Athens. I just
always assumed it was somewhere. The actual Love Shack, if
it ever existed, was somewhere between actually Stone Mountain and Athens.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
That's where I think it is. That would make sense,
that would make sense.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And again I don't know that there actually is one,
but I always remember thinking there needed to be, and
there probably was something that inspired it. I love that one.
So I'm going to go with another fun one. Ladies First,
Queen Latifah. This is nineteen eighty nine. It's off her
debut album, All Hailed the Queen. She was nineteen years old.

(38:56):
When Queen Lativa hit Wow with this, I cannot believe
that that was crazy to me. The music video was
directed by Fab five Freddy and it's pretty crazy because
it's it's Queen Latifa is sort of using rap to
struggle for political freedom. It's great, ladies.

Speaker 8 (39:19):
First, ladybirst, lad you can't get the rom and it's wicked.
Those that don't know a lot of the pose get evicted.
Oh the goad beer you break you would take you now,
it's something wrong. Can you relate to dope enough to
make your holler and screen?

Speaker 11 (39:40):
Yo?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Let me take it from here. Queens, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
But I think I'm about to get into precleise me.

Speaker 8 (39:45):
What I am about to do on compensation because the
post will have no what's the weather clue to lit them?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Very carefully as I break it down for you early,
I happy you have enjoyed.

Speaker 10 (39:53):
Please Willow leaves maths just have employed.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Look at you're throwing down the sounds to Liliah. Yes,
let me take some positions lady first. Yes, yes, it's awesome,
it's great, awesome. This song and video introduced the British
rapper and MC mony love to America. Latifa has talked
about how she wanted to promote unity among women in rap,

(40:15):
and Love said at the time, I just wanted to
strike fear in the hearts of men in hip hop
as far as what I sounded like on the mic,
that was my goal. So I say, job well done.
I love that In the video, Latifa is dressed as
a military general and she's knocking over chest pieces of
white colonial men and replacing them with the Black power fist.

(40:39):
And they're giant, they're big. They're not giant, but they're big,
and it's really fun again, very eighties music video where
it's metaphor and production value. And Queen Latifa, I've never
been a big fan of rap.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
I like music. I can sing along too. I need
to have a melody. So this is not a song
I'm familiar with coming into this, So I bow to
your expertise, and I'm not an expert. Well, I just
like you know more than I do, because you actually know.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
This this song well. Queen Latifah I loved because she
was a feminist. She was a feminist rapper, right, so
that I loved. The ladies brought me to rap. I mean,
although I listened to rap because I got out to
LA in nineteen eighty four, and LA was West Coast rap, right,

(41:37):
So it was a big part of the culture in LA,
even even at USC, which was very white and here's
Sean Singleton days.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I got here in eighty three, and I just it
just never was something that rap songs just never really
quite it was something I was interested in listening to
unless it was something that sort of over like Will
Smith and DJ Jazzy Jeff and parents just don't understand

(42:06):
and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, totally my rapper.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, I just need to be up front and honest
and say I can't. But I take a retort now
having said that I was. I was aware of a
lot of who a lot of the rappers were in
our I just had never listened to their music.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
And again, I'm very pop me too, I do not
have a d Well, let's not forget there was EO
MTV raps. Yes, USC, I got to watch MTV because
people had it. Yeah. I don't know if we had
it in our apartments, but somebody had it. Somebody had
the cable. Somebody had the cable. Yeah, and the eighties.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Was still a time when if you didn't see it
you missed it. There's no recording to watch back, there
was no internet to go watch the videos, so you know,
it was still a time when before we had the
ability to go and find things as opposed to wait
for them to come to us.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Well, and I would say that that the eighties rap
was very political, right, So I those were the ones
that I gravitated towards. I really don't know much about
rep I don't pretend you know more than I do.
Trust me more than I do. Though, I did pick

(43:25):
a lot of rap because I felt revolutionary and they're
all about change, so.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
I was doing the assignment our years next well, along
the lines of change, the eighties was when we saw
Madonna burst on the scene, and I think in her
case as a woman, really was able to steer her
career the way she wanted it to go and had

(43:52):
seem to have a lot more autonomy than most women
in the music business did. So I picked one of
her sons. I actually picked a couple of her songs.
We're going to get a two for here. I'm gonna
do both our own rule. I picked Crazy for You
and Express Yourself, two of my all time favorite Madonna songs,

(44:15):
In the case of Crazy for You, it was more
the song than the video because the song was from
a movie the name of which I can never remember.
A yeah, no, no, no. It was some sort of
wrestling high school wrestling thing. We'll find it, Yeah, we'll remember. Meanwhile,

(44:36):
as we're trying to figure out what that was, Express
Yourself was a video about this powerful woman in a
tower and this honky guy working down in the bottom
of the minds and stuff making his way up to
her because either she.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Summoned him or whatever. Don't care.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Love that music video. It's one of my all time favorites.

Speaker 10 (45:00):
Come on, you believe it loud because I got something
to say about it.

Speaker 12 (45:06):
And it goes something about this.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Lost you know, you know you how me and you
know your mommo.

Speaker 10 (45:30):
Eighteen charist Come.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
You know I never let no. It's pretty great. It's
very eighties. I love it, and you're right. Madonna was
totally groundbreaking as well, groundbreaking both in music and in
music video. The design of Madonna, all of her outfits,
but also her persona, her concerts, and her music videos

(46:01):
very iconic of the eighties.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
By the way, The movie was Vision Quest starred Matthew
Modine and Linda Fiorentino.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
No, never saw it, but you love the song. I
love song I See the Sky? Can you be a musta?

Speaker 8 (46:26):
You're so close?

Speaker 10 (46:27):
Fun what I'm dalling say?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I love the song, Love the song. That is fantastic.
We did two fir. I'm not gonna do it two
for because I can be able to keep up with
it one for at a time. But I'm gonna bring
it back to rap a little bit and I'm gonna
say my next one is Fight the Power. Public Enemy nineteen.
Spike Lee went to Public Enemy and said, I need

(47:04):
a song for my new movie, Do the Right Thing.
And that movie totally radicalized me. Like that movie was
so incredibly beautifully shot, such a great movie. It totally
holds up. And that music video. Weirdly, the music video

(47:24):
I thought of was the opening of the movie, and
that's Rosie Perez. Yes, because it's the title sequence. It
goes on for the entire song and she is just
dancing like she's amazing, and it was her sort of introduction.
She's gorgeous. She's in like three different outfits for that opening.

(47:47):
She's in a boxer girl outfit and she's boxing. She's
in like a blue body suit thing with like a
little red crop top jacket. And then there's another woman,
and I like, I think you could do a whole
thesis on why she's wearing the things she's wearing for
that song.

Speaker 7 (48:08):
We want we Got Fight, Fight the Power.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's both exhilarating and exhausting because she's dancing the entire time,
and it's so cool. It's such a great way to
open that film. There's so much style, so much design
in that film. It's really a stunning film. And that
that film introduced me to public enemies. And Fight the

(48:54):
Power is like an incredible song. It works perfectly in
that movie. And then there is a music video which
I didn't know until I went looking it up. I
just thought the music video was the opening of the
movie You Do Well. There's a music video that Spike
Lee directed that is set basically as a protest march.
I'm assuming it's Brooklyn, and so it's great, excellent, it's

(49:17):
a great one. All right, Let's see where do I
want to go next. I think I'm gonna go with
Fast Car by Tracy Chapman.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
The best.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
It's more for the song, which is indescribably beautiful and haunting,
the feels in it, the storytelling. It's a perfect song.

Speaker 11 (49:42):
You get a fast car.

Speaker 13 (49:44):
I got a plan to get us out of here,
and we're annet can beans, so managed to save just
a little bit of money. Won't up the job you fucked,
just across the border and into the city. If you
and I can both your job, finally see what it
means to be.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
And the video itself is spare. There's not a lot
of if any bells and whistles because the song doesn't
need it, but it still does. It does justice to
the song. I think the video and it's a it's
a gorgeous, gorgeous song, and it brings out something that

(50:25):
we don't even today see much in music, the story
of someone who's not aspirational, who's not wealthy, who's not
someone who has a lot. It's somebody down in the
trenches trying to live their life, just trying to do

(50:45):
the best they can to just have the minimum that
you or I would think we would need in life,
and just trying to be happy.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's just such a gorgeous song. So her debut was
so incredible at the time when you think about all
the eighties pop music that was happening, and that the
stripped down acoustic just her, her guitar and and her voice.
It's just she's so it's so perfect, and it was
so anomalous to the eighties right, yet it totally works

(51:18):
and obviously totally lasts. All of those songs off that
album are absolutely bonkers great, including because I Put One on,
I picked talking about a Revolution, Tracy Chapman because you
Got to Have You. But those music videos are beautiful.
This one again is just her singing, right, don't.

Speaker 11 (51:42):
Talking about who yet?

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Who?

Speaker 1 (51:59):
And what's that?

Speaker 12 (52:05):
Don't you know you about her run run run run, run,
run your run run run run. Oh, I think about
her run running, run, run, run, run, run run run, run,
run run.

Speaker 13 (52:21):
It's fine.

Speaker 12 (52:23):
The tables I'm starting to turn.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Talking about a revolution. It's final, the.

Speaker 12 (52:31):
Tables, I'm starting to turn, talking about a show, talking.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
About a real Her voice is so beautiful, her face
is so beautiful. This was directed by a woman, Paula Walker,
the music video for Talking about a Revolution. It was
interesting when looking this up. She was twenty four when
the album. When her Tracy Chapman album was relieved, which
is crazy young to me. She apparently wrote talking about
revolution when she was sixteen. Oh my gosh, awesome, that's mine. Yeah, okay,

(53:02):
my Tracy Chapman. You have to have a Tracy Chapman
on your list. You can't not have a Tracy Chapman
for eighty stuff.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
So, speaking of things you can't have on your list,
can't not have on your list, I think that applies
to Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel because visually that is one
of the most incredible things to this day that I
think I've ever seen. It really elevated and set the
bar so high for for videos to come behind it.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
You could have a big, different all around events. You
could have a band.

Speaker 12 (53:45):
Bombing with a musman never.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Just them call moment.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
I don't know what the style of animal what to
call the style of animation, but it's stunning. It's just
absolutely stunning and eye popping. It still gets to me
and a great song thinking groundbreaking music videos.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
They're great, but they're also groundbreaking, and so I'm going
to say that they are agents of change. Even if
you didn't follow the assignment, I think you secretly did.
It was sort of live animation mixed with the animal
stop stop stu shuny kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
But I don't know if it was actual stop motion.
I don't know what they did. I to this day,
I don't know. Forty years on, I don't know how
they how they made this thing. But it had to
be stop motion.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
But it was Ardman Animation, which is is a stop
motion animation place they do the clamation. I'll be honest.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I mean, this is the one and only thing I
can think of that I've seen that stop motion. I
can't watch it. It gives me a headache. I can't
watch stop motion movies or TV shows. It gives me
a headache and it's creepy to me. But this was
not somehow.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
This was just beautiful. It's pretty stunning. It's pretty sunning.
But Ardman Animation is the Wallace and Grommitt people. It
was pretty friggin' amazing. I'm sure it went all the
in TV Music Awards. If it didn't for years, they
probably just kept awarding it if they were smart. Oh

(55:48):
that's pretty good. Okay, So this one, this is not
that cool of an animation. It doesn't have a lot
of animation in it. In fact, I don't think it
has any It's Patty Smith's Will Have the Power nineteen
eighty eight. I think it's just her singing, shot in
black and white. There's no stop motion in it. It's her, uh,

(56:09):
I assume on the streets of New York because that's
her background. And that song is really great.

Speaker 13 (56:19):
That was Damus Tina Dreamer the aspect running Fair must.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Dream, who was broken?

Speaker 1 (56:30):
You're my dreams La.

Speaker 10 (56:33):
In the Farmer showing valleys, Well, you're hair recognized.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Us really up Ulla again you do to cry? The
people have the power.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
To redeem the luck of fools from the meek.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
The grace to shower.

Speaker 12 (56:59):
It's adread.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I had forgotten about that song until a few years ago,
a few years being anywhere between two and ten. They
did a cover of it with Patti Smith at the
public theater, like with a crowd of people, like it
was a little bit of a flash mom. They showed
up and were handed lyrics and they sang in response

(57:36):
with her, and it's pretty great version two. So I'm
going to put both in our description. But the original
music is pretty great, excellent, Yeah, and people have the
power if we use it, all, right, what's your next one? Well?

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Our Top ten music videos became top ten for each
of us, which means we've got a lot of left.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Because it's really the twenty most revolutionary eighties music videos
about change and whatever Sharon likes exactly. But either way,
I think we have to make this a two fur
two fur. Okay, we're making this a two parter. We'll
stop here at our first thirteen music videos, including my
top six and my top seven favorites so far. You

(58:23):
do not want to miss part two of Chuchita Changes,
where we reveal the rest of our absolutely fabulous favorite
top twenty eighties music videos about change in revolution and
the ones Sharon likes.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
We have so much more music to remember video info.
We're going to talk about being on the road with
bon Jovi and on stage with Aerosmith. So tune in
to our next episode in the hopes that Susan will
continue to be a good student.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
And that Sharon will be demonstrating her wild rebellious nature
until then, Hey, if you're liking this podcast, tell a friend,
give us a review on Apple, Spotify, or on YouTube.
And as one of my favorite friends once said to me,
I say to you, you guys rock it like a mother.

Speaker 14 (59:08):
You rock it like no other, and we hope this
look back at eighties music videos has brought you joy
and laughter and lots of fabulous new at old music
to watch and listen to, all of which will lead
us forward toward being amazing ladies of the twenty first century.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Chu Change Is Part One is out.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Eight sixty and so pretty. Into the City, the Money,
the man world,