E975 - JaNa and Kenny Breakup Contd, Maggie Q, The Valley Reunion w/ Elizabeth Wagmeister & RHOA Reunion - Alkebulan Love Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
What's going on? Everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode
of The Bios. I'm your host Nick and my co
host Natalie is not with us today. She's not feeling well.
I'm feeling so bad. We're a very sick family lately.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
What is going on in the house.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, I think she had like a like a food
thing last week, and I do who knows, but I
think now she has what I had.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh, no, isolated, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
It's gross.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm just it's gross. No, I mean, like Nally a beautiful,
gorgeous obviously queen not she's not gross obviously.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
But sickness.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
We're just sick. It is for some reason. It's like decided,
like for the first time ever, just like not wanting
to fall asleep. You know, she's got the decided to
stay up to like eleven thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, it's the other shoe drop when the time you
guys need the rest of the most, like let's party.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's uh, it's really something. I don't know how it is,
you know what. And Leah's not with us today.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's Louie's first birthday, birthday. Leyah did did call to
try to do some work today, and I said, Leah,
I need one thing from you. I need you to
tell Louie that we love him and have a happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Okay, Well, I don't know for all the parents listening
out there, I don't know what it's like for you guys,
but it really feels like River, it looks like she
began this month as like a one and a half
year old and now she's four. Mmm, she's like she's
a runner, she's a track star. She's she's running around.
You know, she's got so much personality. It's it's it's

(01:54):
really it's really something. She's grown fast.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Is she sassy she's getting Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, yeah, she knows how to not listen.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
So she runs the house.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well no, because like now it's just like I don't
really like we're definitely in the like what do we do?
Like how do we punish her? Like do we punish her?
Is she too young to be punished? Does she really
even understand we know that she is choosing not to listen,
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah, she knows
what no means, she knows what yes, means, and she
looks at us and goes, no, okay, but you know,

(02:25):
like I, you know what she's too young to understand,
like a time out.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, I don't know that kind of stuff. I
don't have children, so I can only say what worked
on me when I was a child, which.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Was, well, I don't you remember how I was.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, I, yeah, I guess I remember that. By the
time I was old enough, I know, I was like a.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Terror Yeah, I know I hated a time out.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, But you were like two or four by the
time you remember that.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Ye, yeah, I know, because my siblings all just told
me I was like terrible and awful, is my what?
I know, you're the youngest, right, yes, by a lot too.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So they all play tricks on you.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah kind of, But I also like I just terrorized them.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Did your siblings ever convince you you were adopted?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But also like I'm they're all my half siblings, so
it was kind of like I was weirdly and only child,
but then also had a bunch of siblings. But there
were a lot of people that didn't think I was
my mom's kid growing up. They thought I was one
of her step kids because I mean, my hair's died
blonde now, but I was bleach blonde when I was little,
and my dad's blonde and his kids are blonde, and

(03:33):
then my mom has like dark dark brown hair, so
they all thought that I was her stepchild.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
My dad and his siblings convinced their youngest sister that
she was adopted for a while.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
When their parents were on a cruise and they were
so bad that they had to call their parents from
the cruise and get him to come.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Home early, you had a how does one come home
from a cruise?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
This was like, you know, really have to get off
the ship, then get off the plane? Ticket from where?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah? Because you get yeah? Probably right.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Like that episode of below Deck that just came out.
I watched one episode of below Deck last night because
my friend was like, you have to watch it, and
I do have to say it was one of It
was an incredible reality TV episode.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I do love below Deck. I haven't seen a new season.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
A drunk woman gets like so aggressive and has to
get taken off the boat by French.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
This is your first time watching below Deck.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, it's a good show.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
It is good.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I haven't really got into it, but it's it's the
most watch show on Bravo by.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Men, which makes sense.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
The boys. The boys like it.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
My boy roommate only knows about Below Deck.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
And what does he say he likes about it?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I think he just watches it with his family.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Like why are the boys into it?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Like Hunter will watch it too. He's from Florida and
so grew up on boats and whatnot, so like watching
the whole below deck lifestyle and like working on boats.
It reminds him of growing up. But also it's like
there's a lot of like guy stuff in it.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah. I think what's interesting about Below Deck is it
is for me. The reason I haven't watched it is
because I know it will become all consuming for me
and I don't have time for that right now. Like
I you know, I have to do my job. So
if I start watching Below Deck and I'm even doing
it right now. So you were talking about Below Deck
after I've just watched one episode, so I know I

(05:19):
can't really really get into it because it will come.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Karen was on your season right from Bachelor. Yeah, she
was on an episode of this previous season. Yeah, like
they always have yacht yachting guests and some of them
are like recognizable. So like Jill Zarin from New York
was on the same season as Karen.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, he's going to do as.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
It does track. I think I've told this story before,
but Karen was on a group date with me in
the Bahamas and we were on a boat swimming with sharks,
and for some reason we were talking about cruises, of
what she was a big fan. I've only been on
one cruise. It was with my father. The Bondi experience
was wonderful, but the cruise itself, I fucking hate it.

(06:03):
And I was like, I will never go in a
sardine can full of a bunch of people. I honestly
do not want to be next to an abathing suit. Yeah,
and then it's just like again, like it's just like
themed nights. It's like it's not vacation, it's work. It's
you know, by the way, like there aren't like literally
you're on the seat. It's like international waters, like you
can get murdered and no one can do anything about it.

(06:24):
But that aside, I said to Karinn, I hate cruises,
and she goes, well, that just means you haven't cruised right.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Sounds like.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
No. Apparently all right, Well, we do have a great
episode lined up for you today. Joining us shortly returning
to the show, Elizabeth Wagmeister will be covering some pop
culture news with us also getting into the valley as well.
We also have Maggie q who's a lead in the
new hit show Balad that's streaming now on Prime Video.

(06:54):
If you love a cold case TV show a procedural,
you'll absolutely love this one. You've definitely seen Maggi Qe
on you screen before. She's been in incredible movies like
Mission Impossible, three, Divergent, Liffrey die Hard Designated Survivor. She's
always playing a badass and she joins us later this episode.
But before we do, we absolutely have to dive into

(07:16):
the breakup of Jenay and Kenny. More information is getting out.
It's getting wild, Sierra, you got to break it all
down for us. It broke on Tuesday, Janay and Kenny
broke up over the weekend. No one knew what was
going on. They went to a party. They went to
David Doebrick's party over the weekend as a couple. They
were videos and pictures of them seemingly being in love

(07:39):
as a couple on Saturday night. By Sunday evening, word
was getting out they were no longer in a relationship.
Janay had wiped Kenny clean from her Instagram. The rest
of the cast of Beyond the Villa in season six
have unfollowed Kenny He's just bleeding followers, and then last
night more are just it just seemed like things really

(08:03):
came into a head. I don't think we know the
full scope of what happened, but more information is getting out.
There is here. Can you take it away and bring
our audience up to speed with some of the stuff
that's being posted on the internet, starting with Janay's kind
of like, hey, thanks for the support, Here's what's going
on type of stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I got you Okay, So yesterday Janey had posted Hi,
my loves, thank you for all of your love and support.
It means the world to me. As you know Kenny
and I are no longer together. Please know that I
have seen all the breakup theories and none have matched
up to how terrible, disgusting and disappointing it. It truly
is discovering that someone you loved isn't who you thought
they were, and that the relationship you thought you were
building hasn't been genuine since day one has been truly devastating.

(08:46):
Thank you for respecting my privacy and please know, as
a child of God, I will be okay.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Moments later, moments Kenny posted his own Instagram story, Jannae's
is a.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Story correct, Yes, story post black back.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I really was Shane would have gone to the grid.
I you know, I feel like that deserves to be
cemented on the Internet.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean it is screenshows no I know.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
But anyway, I digress. Kenny responded also in Instagram.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Stories, he says, the past few days have been incredibly difficult.
I've been quietly sitting with a lot of emotions and
doing my best to process everything privately. Breakups are never easy,
especially in the public eye. Sometimes, despite how deeply you
care for someone, you come to the hard truth that
the relationship is not something that you could last long term.
I'll always be grateful for the time we shared in
the memories we created. I released this chapter with no

(09:36):
ill will only I hope that Janney's path forward brings
her nothing but happiness.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
This was giving Shaggy. It wasn't me energy yeah, you know,
you guys are familiar with the song or am I
dating myself?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
No? No, no, very familiar classic. It wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
And it was just like, no matter what, deny, deny,
deny that this is like, this is a crazy response
for some of the things that Janey was floating.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Out there right, just like, no accountability, no acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, we dated, it was cool, We're no longer dating.
Wishing her nothing but the best, you know, follow subscribe
leg for more.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah. How did Janay react to that one?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
She threw an act. Kenny Rodriguez, shut the fuck up,
you manipulative liar.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Let's go You.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Not taking accountability and telling people the type of person
you really are is insane to me. My first statement
was me being nice. Do not kiss me off?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Incredible, iconic. No, no, she once again bodies this man.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
And then the PPG steps into the chat. Leah's comment. Uh, First,
she commented on a post that has Kenny and Miguel awesome,
and so she comments on his last post with Miguel
and says, delete my man off your page. You clout demon.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Clout demon is something that is immediately entering my vernaki.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Oh, I was like, oh my god, did she make
that up?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I feel like she made that point of term she
had cloud demon, cloud demon.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
And like this is like where we're all starting to
get the little bits and pieces because it's just like, okay,
Kenny proceeds to delete said comment.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So wait, wait Kenny deleted he did. Oh, he deleted
the comment.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
He deletes the cloud demon comment.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Oh after I got forty thousand likes.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
In thirteen seconds. Yes, and then she commented again, how
about you delete my man off your page instead of
deleting my comments? And also Lea is now being like
cloud demon. We're like, okay, So it has to do
with him needing attention, Like what what could he have done?
Is he's sliding into DMS? What's happening. Serena also comments
underneath somebody's post about him, saying that he's a narcissist

(11:52):
and a racist.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Serena called him a narcissist and a racist.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yes, yes, So then Leah takes a screenshot of Kenny's
post and then writes her message at Kenny Rodriguez, put
a sock in it chat GPT head ass tell the
truth for once racist clout, money hungry and a scammer
since day one, trying to make it seem like it's
something it's not. Don't worry, Arnee is blessed and highly favored.

(12:18):
Let's go then Live enter Olivia Walker Live enters a chat.
Your pathetic excuse for a story is laughable. I can't
even put into words how good of a person Nyne
is and how hard it is to watch her go
through something like this at Kenny Rodriguez, hope this gives
you the clout you always wanted, you fucking loser. Jane's
bff also enters the chat. My advice for women in
relationships if you've access, go through your man's phone today.

(12:41):
Search keywords like I don't like black women. I thought
I would get more money from this. I'm faking this relationship.
Going on the show would be for clout. I can't
wait to be done with this so I can fuck
hella bitches. You'll thank me later. PS. Never spare a man.
Dog them out, baby girl with a heart.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
So I'm assuming this means that for whatever reason, Janey
went through Kenny's phone, or had a reason to go
through his phone, or was told to go through his phone.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
And allegedly Kenny had just gotten back from a trip
before they went to this party, and an influencer posted
a video of the two of them slow dancing, and
Kenny's like religiously on his phone while he's like slow dancing,
like he's barely paying any attention to Jane. So I'm like,
and then at one point Janey has his phone recording him.
We don't know when, but there's a block of time

(13:28):
to which they stopped posting, and then the next thing
we know, So she might have had the phone, maybe
a text came in, maybe she just got the inkling
to look through it. But she found some things on
his phone that very much proved he was not who
she thought he was throughout the entirety of their relationship.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know, I don't want to speculate too much, but
I'm assuming like she found messages of Kenny saying these
types of things to someone or many people, which is like,
it is crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's it's so deeply disgusting and disturbing to be, like,
to be dating a black woman and be saying these
things about her.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, like anyone too, just to like fake an entire
relationship and make someone blave that you're in love with
them and.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Like she slept next to this man, right, Like that
is so like it's so evil in tw diabolic, it's diabolical.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Like just why did you know break up?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Literally?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
But that's the thing. It's like I think he knew that,
like she is the star quality of their relationship, so
he was gonna ride that those coattails.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
According to Janay's friend, he was even acknowledging he wasn't
making what he thought he was making.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, he's disappointed. Thought he'd be making more money than this.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Like it's so sick and twisted, and that is like, no,
it's really sad.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I mean, like, again, we had the pleasure of interviewing Janey,
we thought we had the pleasure of interviewing Kenny as well,
and they really seemed again like just like to good
nice people too. To realize that, I hate to say
that I'm not you know, just that you're gonna see
more stuff like this, you know, just the way that

(15:11):
these shows work and the pressures. This is not what
Kennedy is horrible, horribly wrong. But I'm honestly shocked that
you don't see more stuff like this come out in
terms of people like faking relationships or not being true
with their feelings and staying in relationships for money.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's what's so crazy is that it's just like that's
like that's a real con Like I'm like, for a
year after the fact to like, I just I don't
even I don't, you know what I mean, Like, how
diabolical to be able to keep that up.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Before all these messages came out, it was giving like
he he has another girlfriend in a different city, because
when we interviewed him, he was like, wasn't he living
in Texas and she was living in La or Vice
versa or they.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Were They weren't in the same place.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
They were not in the same stage.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
She was in Vegas, I think, and he was in
Houston or Texas or something like that.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't have that change. I mean, I
know obviously they relocated when they filmed Beyond the Villa.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Even in Beyond the Villa, he wanted a separate department
right next to her.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, he didn't want to live with her, which was
a very big red flag.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Also I have to add that Kaylor entered the chat
as well, saying that at Kenny Rodriguez is a poor
excuse of a man. You lost the most beautiful, genuine soul.
Shame on you and Serena to wrap out the PPG post,
she said, Let's all remember this is not a show
in someone's actual feelings. It may just be tea for y'all,
but that's not the case for us. Y'all already know

(16:33):
how I'm coming behind Janny and trust so does he
have any of the men spoken of? None of the
men as far as I know.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Let me tell you this morning. Why why are only
women coming?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Or do we really need to hear from these men
right now? I think they which like not saying that
they're similar to.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
A group followed them. I mean, yeah, I honestly think that, Like, yeah,
I actually do. Yeah. I think it's one thing for
the girls to like back up their girlfriends and like
call him in. You know, it's like we live in
a time where it's just like what Kenny did, or
it sounds like what Kenny did was horrific, right, but
it's like, yeah, you're always gonna have your girls back.
But like these men are seemingly or were friends with Kenny,

(17:14):
So yeah, unlike we often see on Bravo where like
the men are silent, well, some other guy on the show,
is you know, displaying some kind of bad character or
bad behavior. I would like to see the men stand
up and say something about, you know, Kenny's actions and
how it's not okay to do what he allegedly has

(17:35):
been doing. And so yeah, I would absolutely I think
you need good men to stand up and like take
a stance against like bad actors or men who are
acting like, you know, like Kenny right now, his response
is acting like his response is gaslighting in the sense
that like he's downplaying whatever it is he did.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Kendall posted ten hours ago a video of him and
Jenny dancing and on a sidewalk and says love you forever, Nae.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
So I don't that's not what I'm yet.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
No, I know exactly what you're saying. I'm like this,
but that's the only post from the men that I've seen, Like.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, why are the men so quiet?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
You know, Like, yeah, that's a fair point. Yeah, I mean, overall,
Jane deserves the entire world. This is such like an
awful thing to have to go through, and especially publicly,
and it's just like, you know, that shouldn't happen, Like
no one should have to experience that and I.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, I just think that's the most terrifying thing you
could go through.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, to have someone just lie to you like that.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
No, it's terrible because I don't know who pointed out,
but like to Janay, obviously this is her real life
and coming from the real TV world. The struggle is like, yeah,
it is your life that you have. Sure, you sign
up for it. You you choose to be a part
of this very bizarre universe that is only getting more
and more bizarre and more and more popular. It's, you know, honestly,

(18:59):
the reality TV space is taking over, like you know,
your traditional entertainment. It's it's cheaper to make more and
more people are watching it. You have, you know, season
seven of Love Island breaking streaming records, and reality TV
stars are becoming real stars, right but they are stars
because they are willing to show their lives on camera

(19:21):
or at least a glimpse of it or some part
of it. And when these types of things happen, it's
devastating because like, yes, like Jane didn't get to choose this,
right she you know, what if what we're hearing and
the story, you know, the things that are getting leaked out,
This is not something Jenny chose, anything that she wanted
to be a part of. But she is forced to
now deal with this, and I hope Bronni comes comes

(19:44):
to call in, and I hope obviously she is better
for it in the future, but right now she's just
dealing with the heartbreak. She's dealing with with so many
you know, women and people who go through these like
you know, these scamming relationships where someone they find out
someone lied or duped them and they don't know who
they can trust in their next relationship, and it really
affects them long term. It's a really shitty situation. But

(20:06):
the problem with this world right now is it's like
people look, I mean again, I don't want to like
throw Bachelor and Paradise into this drama, but like you know,
when you start introducing things like money, think people get weird.
I mean literally, Bachelor in Paradise is banking on the
fact that when they're like, hey, I have a million
dollars is on the line, it's going to change the
dynamic of people's behavior. Because it does. I hate to

(20:29):
say it's not shocking. I mean it's shocking that it's
Kenny in Jane it's not shocking that stories like this,
where you find out people who are famous for being
in a relationship and are monetizing their relationship, you find
out that one of these people are just completely full
of shit, and it's devastating. It's terrible.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Much love to Yeah, you know you're a queen.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Okay, I mean, well, I'm sure more is going to
come out. I'm at this point we're using this man
being a narciss and racist.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
It's serious, it's serious, like this is also he also
got dropped from Gersh Agency, so like they're aware of
what happened as well.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, yeah, the fact that every single cast member has
unfollowed him. Love Island unfollowed him, he gets dropped by Gersh.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like Love Island unfollowed him.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Followed him.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I'm sorry, but yes, it seems like obviously Janney and
Leah and Serena and the live in Kaylor they've all
seen it. Sounds like they've all seen whatever evidence exists
out there that they need to see to have this
point of view about Kenny that they do. So it's
a it's a terrible city. I mean, it's just so sad,

(21:44):
it really is. Well, I'm hoping I'm just wishing every
the best for Jane. I mean, it's just you know,
I just I don't you know people are going to
start doing so go back and looking at old clips
of them.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
And already I'm like behind the villas airing as we
speak him. We're only on A three and this third
episode did not do him any favors.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, hell so I didn't watch it.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well A watching him flex in the mirror before she
showed up for the cameras was weird. But they did
a whole ask us anything or like see how well
Kenny knows me? And like he got every answer wrong.
It's just like very much like it's giving like hater boyfriend.
It's not giving like loving relationship. It's like Jannay is
really trying to be like he's my everything, he knows
me well, like da da da, and he's just like,

(22:26):
I don't know you like strawberries and she's like no,
like my favorite fruit is cherry. Is like like why
am I getting pissed that? Like I feel like you
don't know me right now?

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
So I think it's just going to be a downward
spiral watching him.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah all right, well I'm sure we will hear more
about this story as it unfolds, and uh, I guess
we'll just see where it goes. We're hoping for the best,
we're expecting the worst, but certainly, if nothing else, we
are thinking of Janey because obviously, whatever she's going through,
it sounds horrific and we don't wish it on anyone.

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to call to share your hot takes in the future,
So if you want to get your hot takes onto
the show, we'll be picking some of our favorites to discuss.
All you have to do is call one eight five
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and we might play it on the air. Well, we

(23:42):
got a lot of good ones, but we picked two
to start off. With that we really enjoyed. Now the
first one, I just want to say, I don't agree
with it, but it is a hot take, and well
I don't agree with it. Other people may, but we
will certainly discuss coming out of the voice.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Note Peck, I'm your biggest sand My hot take is Shannon.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Badoor has to go.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
I may have be on Electric's side.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
But Shannon Badore, you've done enough on television and now
you just make me dad.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
You're sign up for a television show in which you get.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Killed to behave as yourself.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
It's really not the watergate.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
You think it is.

Speaker 6 (24:28):
To be recorded by Katie.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
When you're on set for somebody that has to do
with a joy Shan. First off, I just want to
say this person is hilarious, a star.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I couldn't disagree with her more. First of all, I
love when we watch Shannon Badoor. We know that we're
getting her authentic responses. And I you know, like when
we talk about like the Valley and we talk about
which we will coming up shortly, talk about Jackson, we
talk about Jesse, and we talk about some of you know, Janet, Like,
I don't know if those people are well intentioned you know,

(25:06):
I don't know if they have a good heart. But
Jack's I can confidently say he doesn't. Jesse, I've never
met him, so I'll reserve the right to like have
an opinion. But like, I'm just not sure. Like Shannon,
like many of us, has her flaws, but I think
she's a good person and I think she means well.
And I think why do we watch these shows is

(25:26):
to see people being their authentic selves and being vulnerable
and being messy for us to critique and criticize. And
I don't know, I think she's great. Also, the whole
recording thing, I don't think she's blowing out a proportion.
It's not the same. I get it to a TV show,
But like she signed a contract with Bravo or whatever
production company, she didn't sign a contract with Katie or

(25:48):
the eventual bloggers that will certainly be given these voice
notes in these recorders for them to do what God
knows with And it's just not the same. Like Shannon
signed up to be recorded by Bravo, she didn't sign
up to be recorded by Katie. I just don't think
it's the same.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
And the watergate of it all though, is the fact
that she was in litigation with the person that Katie
did show it to. So I'm like it is one
of the ultimate betrayals because if Alexis had used that
to her advantage, or if they proceeded with court or
with the suing, I guess.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
But I think it's I think my issue with this
thing about Shannon, and where I do agree with this voicemail,
is that Shannon is acting as if Katie has committed
cardinal sin, that Katie is on the level she said
for batim, you are on the level of Alexis Bellino
and John Jansen, And I just think that that is

(26:48):
being a bit dramatic because you're saying and I don't disagree.
I know, I know, and I know.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Her job, I know, but also like to be like rational.
I'm not looking for Shannon to be like.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
And I'm not worry Katie to be rational or mature
about anything either. I don't understand why Katie is not
also a lot. I think it's like when we talk
about Shannon and we talk about how she has a
good heart, I think Katie also has a good heart.
And I don't think Katie is like some evil villain
in the way that Shannon is like Katie versus.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
This is just about whether Shannon's time has run its
course and whether she deserves a platform that is being
on Bravo.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
For the record, I want to keep seeing Shannon on TV.
But I just think that Shannon has a misconceived notion
that because she had such a hard season last season,
because of what she went through, which she deserved like
the love and support, Like it was a very justified
hero moment that she got last season, and I think

(27:55):
that she is operating as if the same level of
threat is happening to her again and that she's also
getting the hero at it again. And it's beautiful, But
I'm not on Shandon side.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
All right, Well, we have one more to play before
we wrap up our mint Mobile hot take, hotline, take
it away, Hi.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
My hot take is that everybody complains about Jack Taylor
being on their screens and that he's toxic and a
terrible person, but you all talk about him, so you
all give him a platform and it's terrible and it's
just her like making it go on and on and
on even longer and getting him more of a platform.
But stop talking about him if you don't like him.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
All right, Okay, do you love?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I appreciate this note. Thank you for bringing this question
to our audience's attention. I fucking hate that we have
to talk about it, but we do talk about the
TV shows that they're on. There are a ton of
people in the pop culture reality TV space that are
not currently on TV that times I want to talk

(29:01):
about because some of the dumb shit they do in
the way they like sell their souls, It's like it
would make great content for our show, but we don't
fuck with it and we don't talk about it because,
like we choose not to platform people who are just
like messy, not great people. But there's nothing we can
do when it comes to a show that we cover,

(29:22):
and if Bravo wants to cast these characters, we're kind
of stuck having to talk about them. Like if Jax
Taylor wasn't on this show, I wouldn't be covering his downfall.
I wouldn't give a fuck, you know, I wouldn't care.
And again, like there are other people out there who
are out there doing messy things that I don't deserve

(29:43):
that I don't think like deserve our attention, even though
like sometimes the things they do would be fun to
talk about, but we just like don't because we don't
want to platform them or we don't want to like
give them the attention they so desperately want. But we're
at the mercy of the show that we cover sometimes,
you know, what do you what do you want us
to do? So I, for one, am glad that the

(30:06):
Valley finally made the right decision or bravo whoever it was,
to acts Jacks off the show. And I hope they
give us people that again, like why we've been like
clamoring for, like give us people who have at least
some redeeming characteristics, like who are making like some attempt
at like not being you know, terrible people. At least
Tom Sandoval is winning America's Guy Talent and by not winning,

(30:28):
I mean you know, before me and not getting boodof Stitch.
But it was something, you.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Know, also not for nothing. And I wholeheartedly agree with
this caller. I stand by what they said. However, they
did make their call about Jack Taylor, you know, so
it kind.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Of like they did make their Yeah that's true, you know,
like not wrong.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
I was gonna say, I would love to not talk
about Jack.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
You actively got us to talk about him more.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
See, we were we were going to only talk about
Jack's tail when we get to the valley, But now
we're talking about Jack Taylor again, exactly because of the
person who told us we shouldn't be talking about Jack Taylor.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Use your logic, mama, If you don't want to hear
about him, don't call in about them. Like but I agree,
I agree.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
But that's a whole like platforming people like other people.
Everyone's deciding who should be platforming. You know what, when
if when you create a show that's yours and everyone
listens to it, you can decide.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Until then, this is reality recap. This is reality recap,
the recap reality TV shows.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
We can only do so much. We just we just
work here girl.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
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How you doing.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
I am well. I missed you. How are you?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Likewise, I'm doing well. You may notice Natalie's not with us.
She is doing less well today. She is under the weather.
She says hello, she misses you as well. She's sorry
she cannot be with us today. But overall we're doing well.
We're just in the heat of summer. You know, we
just survived Love Islands even seven. I don't know. I'm

(36:25):
guessing you don't have time being the busy news correspondent
that you are to watch one hundred and three episodes
of Love Island.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
Yeah, well, first, Natalie, I miss you. Get well soon.
I hope you're feeling okay. And it's funny that you
say that, because I don't know if you saw. Lindsay
Lohan was on one of the late night shows, I think,
and she was asked about Love Island and she was like, no,
I don't have that time, so I just stick to
the housewives. And that's how I feel, which is I

(36:57):
dip in and out of Love Island. But it's just
it's so many I can't do it well.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
We obviously want to get into some Valley and some
Bachelor in Paradise as well with you, Elizabeth. We also
have some headlines we want to cover with you. So Sierra,
why don't you go through some of our household headlines
and we'll run through with Elizabeth.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Are you familiar with the Tea App?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Of course you are familiar.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
Well, I mean familiar because of this data League data break.
I'm married, so let me clear that up. Familiar and like,
you know, I wish the tea app was around when
I was dating, but you do, Okay, yeah, I think
it's In fact, I should let you get to the headline.
I promise I will. But when I and I did,

(37:37):
I met my husband on hints, so I am a
dating app success story. But it was so terrible dating
on the apps that when I was on them, my
friends and I used to always say, there should be
a feature on hand or on these dating apps where
women can give you know, their past experience with every man,

(37:58):
because certainly in La there were so many people that
you would swipe on and five of my friends had
been on a date with them, you know, like it
would be really helpful. So I like the idea of
the tea app. But now, yeah, get into the headline
of what's going on?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Okay for those who are not familiar, The Tea app
lets women post anonymous dating reviews, and it was hit
by a data break that exposed seventy two thousand images.
The app, te Dating Advice, allows women worried about their
safety to share information about men they might date. Its
premise was immediately polarizing. Some praise it as a useful
way to warn women about dangerous men, while others called

(38:33):
it divisive and a violation of men's privacy. Last Friday,
Tea said that the hackers had breached a data storage system,
exposing about seventy two thousand images, including selfies and photo
identifications of its users.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean the security break obviously is like not cool
and you can't help, but wonder, like, is the polarization
of like this app what led to people wanting to
have a security breach or hackers, you know, as a
retal for what the the app was meant to do? Like,
I you know, I'm torn on on the efficacy of

(39:06):
this app, like in terms of like safety for all daters,
especially women on these app. I think, obviously, who wouldn't
want that and who isn't an advocate of that, But
where do you I guess my question of Elizabeth is
like where do you draw the line right? Cause like
it makes a lot of sense, okay, like who did
you date? Like you know, like you mentioned like you'd
go on an app you'd match with the guy, and
you realize five of your friends dated him. It's like, well,

(39:27):
you know what, I'd rather save myself to time and
just not go on the date that you know, a
handful of my friends have already dated and didn't like.
And unless there's a reason I want to go on,
maybe I'll just save myself to time. But like I
always say, like everyone is someone's bad date, you know
what I'm saying, Like everyone has showed up to a
date and just like realize pretty quickly, like this isn't

(39:49):
my person. And then once you realize that you're not
as excited as you thought you might be, You're probably
not going to be like the most dynamic and engaging person.
You might not ask the best follow up question, you
might not look like you give a shit, and you
might just be going through the motions to get through
the date, Like you know, hot, where do you draw
the line between like it being a place that you

(40:09):
know informs its daters and users to keep them safe
of people who have demonstrated maybe bad behavior versus just
like a bashing app where you know, you have a
bunch of people like describing IX and mocking the people
on dates because of they didn't feel you know, validated

(40:30):
enough totally.

Speaker 7 (40:31):
And I agree with that. You know, like it's so
well said Nick that everyone has had a bad date
with someone and that may not be the experience for
someone else. So I think in that sense, if you
are on the tee app, you have to be able
to and by the way, data breach aside, because that's
obviously awful, but just talking about the app and what

(40:54):
it's you know, intended purposes, I think that you have
to go in with an open mind and you have
to be able to evaluate does this person you know
just have an axe to grind or does this sound
not so bad? But where I love it is obviously
for dangerous people great like safety is the most important.
But I wasn't even thinking that. I was thinking the

(41:17):
amount of time I wasted and so many friends wasted.
And I know that's part of dating, but in this
current dating age where you know, I wish we were
back in the days where you could just meet people out.
But I think, you know, the apps, there's again like
I met my husband on the apps, so I'm so

(41:37):
grateful for them, but I also think that it's really tough.
And if I had the information that, you know, this
person was a cheater, let's say, I'm not then gonna
go on the first date because to me, that's an
absolute red flag. Like once a cheater, always a cheater.
Now if it's something that's just oh, this guy gave

(41:59):
me the is you know, then maybe you have to
evaluate that for yourself, like is it worth it?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
So, but even the cheating one, because it's like a
gray area, Like I tend to agree with you, but
like there are people who you know have done the work,
so to speak, and maybe there's nuances where it's just
like you know, someone texts someone they shouldn't have, you know,
I just like, how do you police this where it's
just like because if it's not poleaed, it inevitably just

(42:28):
becomes a bad It just becomes Reddit.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
You know, yeah, no one hundred percent, and someone's opinion
is not fact. So I do hear you? Like, there's
a lot of gray area that can be dangerous, like
not fair to the guy if he's being dragged by
someone who just didn't like him. But I just know
that when I was dating, I would always say to
my girlfriend's like, there should be a tab on this
app that is a forum so that you are aware

(42:53):
of the red flags, because it would have saved so
much time. I mean there's also just like silly things
that obviously don't rise to the level of cheating or
of being in danger, but like immaturity or you know,
this guy is just gonna ghost you, and all the
things like that would have been so helpful to know.

(43:14):
But again, it's all part of the dating process. So
I here's what I'll say to all the single ladies
out there who are looking to meet someone, like, keep
doing it, keep doing you. Maybe don't you know take
opinions on tea as fat But I just I'm look,
I'm a journalist, so for me, like more information is
better information and knowledge is power. But I also as

(43:37):
a journalist, can evaluate that, so I would be able
to say, like, eh, you know, that person's opinion sounds
a little far fetched. Maybe that was just their experience.
So for me, I would have loved it in my
single days. But I do understand obviously, I understand why
this is polarizing, But you know girl code and like
the girl group chat, there's nothing like it. So this

(43:58):
to me was essentially just the girl group chat brought
to life and girls warn other women about, you know,
things that they should know about.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
And I'm also assuming that a lot of these inputs
were like time stamped and dated and what not too,
so I'm like those that type of information is valuable.
I'm like, if you went on a date with this
person last week and somebody else wrote had a bad
date with them two weeks prior that, I'm like, Okay,
let's see compare and contrast what they're saying. Yes, like
some consistencies would be like pass.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, it's also like if you think about rape my Professor,
for example, I remember going on Rape my Professor, and
you could obviously see some people were just kind of
dumb and didn't like to have to do work, yep,
And you can kind of use context clues. And I
would also argue that, like if you're someone going on
the tee app and you're taking everything at face value

(44:50):
and not actually like thinking about oh, like this is
someone else's opinion. Not talking about like this man is
dangerous because I would like trust that, but also just
kind of personality quirks or like whatever, or like ghosting whatever.
If you're taking something you're reading on a tea app
at face value, you maybe aren't ready to like meet

(45:10):
your like person in general too, you know, so at
the same time, maybe it's kind of like a good
thing in that way. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
When you just had rate my professor, it actually made
me think, like it's essentially Yelp. It's essentially trip Advisor,
right Like if I look at Yelp for a restaurant
and most of like the restaurant has a four point
seven rating, but then there's ten people who say this
was the worst meal of my life, like the service
was bad. Like I'm still me personally, I am still

(45:41):
going to restaurant because right like I'm realizing, like, Okay,
this person just had a bad night, or this person,
you know there are just a difficult customer. So it's
kind of the same thing, right like if most of
the comments about one guy and I haven't actually looked
at the tapps, I don't know the format. If most
of the comments are good, and then one person has

(46:04):
an opinion that's an outlier. Then I personally would be
able to say that person has an ax to grind,
they had a bad date. So if you think about
it in that way, it's not so different from really
how we live the rest of our lives in this
online culture, which is like I never go to a
restaurant without looking at y'all.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, I just don't know if that's good for our
you know, for anyone, Nick I am.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
I told you I am in favor of I wish
we could go back to just like you meet someone
in an elevator or you meet someone at a wedding.
Like I'm a traditional So I'm with.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
You, you know, because I used to always be like
so pro dating app because like you know, like you said, Elizabeth,
you met your husband on there, you know, like I,
you know, I met my wife on Instagram. You know,
it's not a dating app, but certainly it's a social
media platform, and so it's like that's how people are
meeting each other, So like you kind of have to
go on there. But yeah, it just seems like it's

(47:03):
it's a setup for people to fail, right, It just
seems like all the six to two guys are getting
all the attention and it's just you know, maybe that's it,
like instead of you know, if you're six too, it's
like maybe a fuck boy. Right, proceed with caution, I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (47:17):
Like justice for nights short men, Nick, Okay, right, but
now I'm with you. Like so many things in life,
I think the simpler times could have been better in
so many ways than the crazy social media like you know,
persistently online world that we live in.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
But it's the world that we live in, all right,
moving on, We're curious to know how you feel about this,
but E News has been canceled after thirty two years
on the air. What do you think that that means
for media today?

Speaker 7 (47:47):
So this makes me, I mean, I'm not surprised, Like
it's the way that everything is going. It's the world
in which we live. But it makes me really sad
because it's a reality that we're facing. And I have
so many friend at E News. I you know, their
team is incredible. I E News is what made me
want to become an entertainment journalist. You know, I am

(48:09):
a like millennial kid of the nineties, grew up on
watching E news every night. Grew up on watching Joan
Rivers and Juliana Ransick on the carpet like that is
what Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer made me want to
become a journalist. But E news is what piqued my
interest in entertainment. So for me, on a personal level,

(48:32):
it was just we knew that this was happening, right,
Like the nightly entertainment news shows are just not what
they used to be because everybody gets the news on here,
you know, like we're all on our phones all day long.
So it's just the reality that people are not coming
home at seven pm, you know, to watch these shows. Now,

(48:54):
that's not the case for all of them. Like the
nationally syndicated shows, some of them are doing exceptionally well,
still get millions of viewers per night. Most of their
viewers are older, but you know, I'm on those shows
regularly as a guest to bring my CNN reporting, you know,
shows like Extra and ET and Access and all of those.
So for me, it's just it's really sad because that

(49:15):
was such a fun, great era, like everybody wanted to
watch it at seven pm. It was a different era
of celebrity culture. There's actually there's a great piece right
now out in the Hollywood Reporter, which I actually meant
to reach out to the writer, and I will do that.
But it was all about how this E News signals
the end of this kind of golden era in celebrity culture.

(49:39):
It's a really really good read. So I think that.
Look as an entertainment journalist, this is what this is
what I wrestle with and what I do. You know,
it's CNN. I'm never just on air, you know, if
there's a story, I go into the studio right down
there and I'm on air and I film something else

(50:02):
on a phone with my digital mic, which goes on
TikTok and Instagram, and my you know, same thing with
my interviews, like my interviews sit down interviews will go
on YouTube, TikTok, CNN, dot Com, Instagram, and TV. So
TV is just one piece of that puzzle. And that's

(50:22):
why I say that I'm not surprised, you know, the
writing was kind of on the wall. That is not
me saying that in any negative way at all. It's
just the way of the industry. We're seeing a lot
of consolidation. But E News will live on just in
a digital format. I mean, if you look at E
all of their social media platforms, their engagement is insane,

(50:44):
Like they have tens of millions of followers. So E
News is just going to continue to adapt and evolve
into this social media digital world. But yeah, like it's
it's sad, you know, this is the way of our industry.
And you know, as someone who grew up on those shows,
you you know, it gets you kind of nostalgic for

(51:06):
those days.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
But then at Juliana Ransek is that when she used
to be a host of Yeah, and she married the
guy from The Apprentice.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
Yes, she When I was I was like nineteen years old.
I was in college and I was a student journalist
and I had the opportunity to I don't even remember
how this came about, but I saw that she was
doing this event and I reached out to her to
interview her. And I remember my mom and I drove
down to San Diego and I interviewed her because she

(51:37):
was currently the host to Beat News, and you know,
I told her I was nineteen and I was a
student journalist and this is what I wanted to do.
Like that was the first like celebrity interview that I
did at the time, so you know, to all of
our like gen Z listeners right now, I've seen a
lot of comments that people are like, well, of course
this was canceled, no one watches this, and yes, like

(51:59):
that's true, but like you don't even understand what a
part of pop culture the news was. I mean truly,
like you came home from school, you had dinner, and
you turned it on, like you lived and breathed this.
This was the days where there was no Netflix, and like,
I'm in my early thirties, I'm not at all. This
was not like ancient histories. I like all of the

(52:21):
twenty five year olds listening are like, how old is she?
But it was just like things have changed so rapidly
with Netflix and with TikTok and with everything, and I
think it's great, but there was something to be said
about everybody turning on their TVs and watching the same
thing at the same time, and that just doesn't exist

(52:41):
anymore unless you're in, you know, a big breaking news event,
right which then I'm not just saying this is a
company person, but like there's breaking news, I turn on CNN,
like that's what I want to be watching. Other than
that it is multi platform, you know, like you have
to consume your news however you choose to consume it.
And it's not it's seven pm watching cable TV anymore.

(53:04):
It just isn't.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
What do you make of Katy Perry being seen with
the former Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
Let me tell you, my phone was blowing up CNN
and all of a sudden, all of your colleagues in
DC are like, what do you know about this? I mean,
I think it's fun. I think anytime that a celebrity
is dating someone not in the celebrity world, it's really
fun to also like, we don't know if it's a date.

(53:31):
It looks like a date, but we don't know they
look looks like it looks like a Our official line
here is it's CNN. We do not report on paparazzi photos,
which is the truth, but as a because you know,
if there's an unfounded paparazzi photo taken that they have
not given their consent to, like we are not a tabloid.

(53:54):
That said, as a friend of yours, Nick, and as
a consumer of pop culture, I am kind of loving this,
Like I want to know what's coming next? They're both
super hot.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
So yeah, right, not as a journalist, as a as
a fan of pop culture, what would you say to
people who maybe were like, this is this seems like
a PR couple.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
What does he need to I mean, I don't know,
Like he's a former prime minister of a country. Does
he need Katie?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I know, But it's transit. It's almost transitioning in the
way that like, I feel like a lot of former
politicians once they exit politics then go to media and
so what better way. And then obviously Katy Perry with
the whole space thing. I feel like they both are
in an interesting space of, like, I don't know, a
PR relationship. It would make sense to bring Justin Trudeau
like almost into like a different pop culture space and

(54:41):
give Katy Perry a win.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Well, Katy Perry has a type, you know, good looking,
handsome brunette man.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
That's so I didn't even think about that. And for me,
I wouldn't think that this is a PR sun like.
I don't think either of them need I don't. I
don't see how this benefits either of them if it's
just for a PR stunt. I'm curious how they met right, Like,
it's not like once you are in this world of

(55:09):
being rich and famous, like at a certain achelon like
you just meet right like it could have been through
I don't want to throw names out there because I
have no idea, but they're obviously in this world, so
I don't think it's surprising that they would meet, you know,
I think people forget that Katie Perry. Obviously she's a
very famous celebrity. She is an international superstar in ways

(55:33):
that people in America do not understand, like overseas, her music,
her tours, I mean it's gangbusters, Like she may be
a bigger celebrity overseas than here, and you can't say
that for every celebrity. So I'm sure that they, you know,
travel in some of the same circles and have mutual friends,
and I like, I could see them just being introduced

(55:54):
to someone. So I didn't think it was a PR stunt. Yeah,
that didn't even cross my mind. But I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
You know what I just thought of It was kind
of crazy because didn't didn't Orlando bloom go, wasn't he invited?
And then go to Jeff Bezos's wedding ye, and then
none of us talked about the fact that, like not
too recently, Katie Perry was flamed almost universally across the
internet for being a part of the rocket ship to Nowhere.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
Going up to space for eleven seconds.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
That was paid for by Jeff Bezos. How did Orlando
get the invite and not Katie?

Speaker 7 (56:32):
Well, so I don't know, but that was a big
discussion because I don't know if it's that she didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Get the invite or mayor she just didn't go.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
Yeah, it could have been as she didn't go, like
we just split up. But I like, I'm she's she's
good friends with them, so I don't think that there's
anything to read into there other than someone didn't go.
It could have been a scheduling thing. That's actually when
I said a few minutes ago, I don't want to
say names because I really have no idea and I
don't want to speculate. The first thing when I saw

(56:59):
those pickures that popped up in my mind was were
they somehow introduced from the Bezos world? Because they're all friends.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
So Mary Katie's really hanging out with some powerful people.

Speaker 7 (57:10):
She is crazy, absolutely is, so we'll see. But I
just think It's fine. Anytime there's a story that you
have like the pop culture world and then the political
world invested in, I just think is really fine. And
I'm telling you, it was like eight am and my
phone was blowing up from producers in DC being like,
what do you know about this? So people are into it.

(57:33):
I think we all want to know the origin story.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
One more question before they jump into the valley. We
haven't talked about it too much recently just because it
just seemed like it was kind of a toxic case
that kind of like, you know, isn't happening until I
think March of twenty twenty six. But do you have
any updates on, you know, like a state of the
union of the Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni case. Recently
it seemed like she issued the peenaus to some creators,

(57:58):
uh huh, which you know just In Baltoni's team seemed
to jump all over in terms of like the court
of public opinion, and they certainly had their things to
say about what they've accused Blake of trying to do.
But obviously, again I've always had the stance that this
is this is more about the retaliation of a woman
coming forward in the workplace and less about the actual

(58:20):
like sexual harassment, but the retaliation of her coming forward
and then the use of online bots and trolls and
YadA YadA and things like that. But it seems like
they're kind of in the middle of that and it. Yeah,
it seems like Blake's team is kind of like getting
their ducks in a row, and they very much seem

(58:40):
intent on taking this to court, as opposed to a
lot of people I think, you know, over the over
the past year have speculated the you know, they're gonna
settle and eventually there's gonna be too much like fatigue
and bad press. But they seem very committed to see
this thing through. But do you have any updates or
insights on what's the late with this case.

Speaker 7 (59:01):
I think that the biggest takeaway you're super keen to
spot this out, Nick, The biggest takeaway right now is
for all purposes, like, this thing is moving full steam
ahead and is going to court as of now. When
this all started in December, I said, I said this
on air, I said this to anyone I spoke to.

(59:22):
I said, this is never going to court ever. Now,
I don't think that they intended for this to go
to court. I think that when Blake Lively filed her CRD,
I don't believe that she anticipated that this was something
that would blow up in the way that it did
and would actually go to trial. But now that we

(59:42):
are here, you know, for this to not go to court,
they have to settle. And for this to settle, that
means that somebody essentially has to admit wrongdoing it, and
I don't see that happening with the egos involved. I
also don't think that the Blake Lively side wants to

(01:00:07):
sit in court for this. You know, you're talking about
Ryan Reynolds, you know, one of the biggest stars in
the world. Like, does he want to testify in a
very public thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
They probably want this to be over. But as of now,
this is moving full steam ahead, you know, whether that
is March of twenty twenty six. You know, court dates
get moved all the time for different reasons. So I
think it's very possible that this is still settled. But
I'm like in a fifty to fifty nowur before, just
based on my past reporting on celebrity cases, I was
in a one hundred percent there's no way this is

(01:00:38):
going to course, is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I mean I was under a different impression that like
sometimes when you settle, like the settlement includes like some
kind of non disclosure and no one really knows the
details of the settlement or what was admitted or what
wasn't admitted or who owed what. But yeah, why is
why are you under the impression that someone has to it,

(01:01:00):
I mean publicly admit.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
Fault because this has been an incredibly public spectacle and
I think it's very clear that they hate each other's
guts and I don't think they're playing nice behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Yeah, I can't imagine Blake's team would settle without demanding
some kind of public apology from Justin's camp and ring.

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
Ding that's exactly right. So you know, they don't need
money like this is not And by the way, I'm
sure they will ask for attorneys fees, but they don't
need the money. This is about, you know, exonerating yourself
in the court of public opinion at this point, and
I could very much see that either side part of
the settlement would be you have to issue a public apology.

(01:01:38):
So look, maybe they do get to the point where
they just say, let's make this go away. No one
wants to go to court. Let's settle this behind the scenes,
and we don't know anything that's very possible. But I
just you know, this thing keeps on going and going
and going because both sides are relentlessly fighting this, which
is of course their right to do. I don't think

(01:01:59):
that anyone thought that it would get to this point,
and you never know what is going to just become
like a pop culture thing, right like this became a thing, Nick,
Like We've been talking about this from the beginning the
day that this CRD was reported on in the New
York Times. It was a thing. People are obsessed with it,
and I don't think that either side would have anticipated that.

(01:02:22):
So yeah, So the latest update in terms of what's
playing out in the courts is what you said, Nick,
is that Blake Lively had issued subpoenas on three different
we'll call them content creators. Now those subpoenas have been
withdrawn that their latest filing. The reason why they were
subpoena was part of their discovery process, which is their
right to do. If you are prepping for a trial,

(01:02:44):
if you are prepping for a deposition, you can issue
a subpoena on anyone. It is a information finding mission.
It's a fact finding mission. That's what attorneys do. They
issue subpoenas on people, on phone companies, whatever it is,
to get all information, all records. I think the reason
why there was so much backlash with issuing subpoenas on

(01:03:07):
content creators is because this thing is playing out in
the public and if you are a content creator that
your job is literally to get on your own platform
and speak your mind, and all of a sudden, in
your inbox you receive a subpoena from a huge star,
you're going to talk about it. So, you know, all

(01:03:30):
of these content creators have spoken out very harshly against this,
you know, saying that it's a breach of privacy and
you know it's against their rights as you know, I
think they've called themselves a journalists, they're you know, content creators,
but whatever it is. But you know, it's it's just messy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah, aren't there there's other content creators that are still
being subpoena correct though, that that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:54):
Is what the lawyers have said that just because these
three weren't doesn't mean that others won't be. So that's
why I say, this is moving full steam ahead because
they still are very much in the in.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
The It wasn't like there's other like you know, big, bigger,
bigger public profile names that have also been subpoena not
just like these micro influencers.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
Right, yeah, No, this is this is the discovery process.
And you know, whether you like it or not, whether
you think it's fair or not, this is quite literally
the lawyer's jobs is to find all the information that
they can. And if Blake Lively's lawyers believe that Justin
Baldoni's team had leaked unsavory pieces of information or lies

(01:04:34):
or whatever it is about her to content creators, which
Justin Baldoni's team denies, denies, denies, But if that's what
Blake Lively's team is alleging, which they have, that's what
this whole thing is about. Like you said, Nick, it's
the sexual harassment claims, but it's really the retaliation claims.
If that's what they believe, then they are going to
do their job, which is to say, if I believe

(01:04:56):
information was leaked to this person, I am going to
pen of that person. So it's pretty like if you're
just talking about the legal process, it's pretty standard. The
reason why we care is because it's a mess and
it's juicy, and like it's a train wreck. Like this
thing is like not good for anyone, Like it is
a mess. It's good for the lawyers who are being paid,

(01:05:18):
you know, two thousand dollars an hour. That's who it's
good for.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Well, I mean, I maybe maybe I'm naive or altruistic
or whatever it's called, but like I absolutely believe that
maybe regardless of what's playing out in this case, that
I do think there is social media manipulation. It's it's
obvious that that exists, right, It's it's obvious that you

(01:05:42):
can boost posts and you can influence discourse. You have
all these anonymous accounts. I feel like, I feel like
this happens in the political landscape all the way through,
like just like trolls from fan accounts and things like that,
and I think it there's some damaging ramifications for the

(01:06:03):
ways people are able to manipulate discourse and things like that,
and I'm I'm hoping that this case sheds a light
on that because I firmly believe it exists. Whether it
actually existed in this case, I believe it did. We'll
see if it actually comes to light. But I'm I'm convinced, like,
I don't think you know these so you know these

(01:06:23):
the jet wallas is in this case, and these companies
that are like crisis management PR teams that you know
are known for like dictating or influencing, you know, messaging
about celebrities and or their adversaries. I just that does exist.
I think to what yeah, to what context, how it's used,

(01:06:44):
is it weaponized? I think that's what this case is
really about. And I'm really curious if they are able
to actually get actually, you know, any hard evidence to
show what they are claiming against justin because I wonder
if will actually have an impact of how we see
social media and internet manipulation and things like that, and

(01:07:08):
if it does actually have ramifications or even a positive
impact outside of is just being a pop culture spectacle.

Speaker 7 (01:07:17):
It's so funny that you say that, because I right
when this case began, I was not really surprised by anything,
and so many of my colleagues at CNN. Of course
we cover everything, We run the gamut, so we have
an entertainment team, but many people are not part of
that team. They were horrified by the allegations, and I

(01:07:39):
remember telling them I just said, I guess I'm jaded
because my entire career is dealing with publicists and crisis managers,
so I know that this all happens behind the scenes.
So of course this stuff happens. But I think you
know the reason why this story has really struck a chord.
That's one piece of it, right, Like, is their truth
to a mere campaign, whether or not there is. You're

(01:08:02):
absolutely right, Nick, this is what happens in today's modern
day society, and it's really dangerous. But I also think
that's just one piece. You know, there's also we're in
a very different moment right now, culturally, socially, politically, you know,
the me too pendulum has swung from where it was
in twenty twenty. So there's just there's so many factors here,

(01:08:25):
which is why this is struck a chord. But also
at the core of it is just people love to
watch a celebrity trade rack, and that's that's what this is.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
Like.

Speaker 7 (01:08:36):
Trust me, neither side wishes that this was happening right now.
They can say whatever they want to say, and there
have definitely been some big wins in the court of
public opinion for some in this involved in this in
some big losses. But trust me, neither side wants to
be dealing with this like it is a hot mess.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Speaking of hot mess, So we're gonna get into the Valley,
but before we do, Mary's got your rapid recap of
the valley, and then we'll talk with Elizabeth a little
bit about it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
All right, The Valley Reunion Part one has aired. It
is time for divorce court. Kristin has apologized to Janet
for threatening to knock Critique without and calling her a whore,
which is growth for Kristin and I'm really proud of her.
And then we have Jax wanting to get a visectomy,
Britney saying she would not touch that dirty dick with

(01:09:25):
a ten foot pole, which is very you're imine one,
mister grinch coated of her. Jesse and Michelle are in
a custody battle, with Jesse representing himself because apparently he's
watched suits. So congrats to Michelle, honestly, and Jesse is broke,
so Michelle just stays winning. Jackson's in therapy off camera
this time, but he's still like that, so cool. Danny

(01:09:48):
and Nia moved to Santa Clarita and hopefully have not
changed their diet. If you know, you know, shout out
to Santa Clarita diet. I missed that show. Also, just
a general note, if your man has a boys chat,
you should probably dump him, like right now. And then
the Brittany and Jack stuff like, I don't have anything
funny to say about that. It's just really dark and

(01:10:09):
I hope the best for Brittany. But Jack's is passing
his drug tests, but he might still be on steroids.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Who's giving him these drug tests?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
This is my question, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
The same person he's going to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Well, Brittany is also giving him the drug test. Oh yeah.
But overall, do people actually watch suits? That's my big question.
Find out next week on The Value Ini in part two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Okay, we talk about this every week saying about this show.
But like Bachelor and Paradise or like some other shows,
there's some you know, they give you hope, they give
you something to root for, they give you some excitement.
This is just talk about a train wreck, just like
devastating people making devastating choices and real real life implications.
I don't know, have you been have you been enjoying

(01:10:57):
the Valley this past season.

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
I'm with you, like it may yes enjoying for sure,
but it does make me really sad. And watching the reunion,
I just constantly felt sad, like am I entertained? And
am I gonna keep watching? And am I you know,
kind of obsessively you know, into the train wreck? Yes,
but I just keep thinking like, there are young children

(01:11:22):
involved in this, and you're you know, the whole purpose
of this show was to be like, here's the aftermath
of vander Pump Rules, Here's what happens when you grow
up and you get married and you move into a
home in the suburbs. And it was supposed to be that.
I know that the producers were actually worried like is
it going to be too boring? Obviously not, but it

(01:11:43):
makes me sad, you know, like this is a reality
that happens in our society. But these are all young
couples with young kids, and they're you know, they're just
they're dragging each other like in a public forum, and
that's why we're watching. That's what reality TV is is.
But it just makes me really really sad. And I

(01:12:04):
also I want to give a shout out to one
of our mutual friends. I know she's been on this show,
but Kate Arthur at Variety, my former colleague, good friend,
she has done like there is no entertainment journalist covering
the valley as well as she is. She did the
same with Scandabal. She is the journalist of the Bravovers
who basically sees like this is not just a pop

(01:12:27):
culture thing, like this is a serious matter that we're
going to talk about. So she did really great interviews
with the entire cast and the executives basically talking about this,
like is it just sad and how do we lighten
up season three? Obviously, Jacks isn't returning for season three,
which I think is definitely for good, like he should

(01:12:47):
not be on TV right now, like something he said,
I'm curious what you think, Nick. But during the reunion
he was at I forget exactly what the question was,
but it was during when him and Brittany were going
back and forth and he was saying that, like, the
reason why he was so upset was because the things
that she said took her took his job away. And

(01:13:11):
then he said their kid. Then he said cruise, but
he said his job first, and he said it numerous times,
like he's ranking the job here and the kid here,
and to me, I'm just like that is just so
sad to me, you know, like your kid should always
come first. And the fact that he said, you know,
like I need to go to rehab because my job,

(01:13:32):
like I realized my job was on the line, and
then in all fairness he did say and my kid
and those are the two most important things. But I
just think it is a really sad reality for these
reality stars that they're lives. You know, for us, it's entertainment,
but this is their real lives and it becomes so
consuming that yes, it's their livelihood and it's their paycheck

(01:13:52):
and it's how they're putting food on the table, but
they become so obsessed with like being the stars of
these shows that that takes over. So that made me
sad just watching as a fan of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, my big I thought the funniest part was when
they were talking about the divorce between Jesse and Michelle
and then he was like Jesse was like, I'm waiting
on my lawyers and they were asking if he's representing
himself and then he's like he has a team of
consultants and the first immediately, the first person I thought
about who must be a part of his team of

(01:14:25):
consultants is his bald friend slash fake therapist slash life coach,
and like that he must be part of that team to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Have him scream into the pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
What are you doing representing yourself?

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
Not end well, I can tell you that. No.

Speaker 8 (01:14:42):
I mean, Michelle must be loving that she outed it
in the beginning, and then he was like and then
the fact that he brought it back up being like,
I'm just you know, waiting for my lawyers, and it's
just like, you're you're representing yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Why would that ever be the choice in divorce court?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Hey, we're ignoring the lawyers. Could be all the voices
in his head.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Elizabeth, if you your husband walked out of the bedroom
wearing the pants, the floral pants that Jesse was wearing,
would you would you go out in public with him?

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
Great question?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
No, he thinks that looks good, you know. Like, That's
what's crazy about Jesse is he tries so hard. He's
the hardest trying man on that show who accomplishes nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
Can I tell you something really funny? Actually, so I
was in the market house hunting and there was a
house that like online on Zillow. I was like, oh,
I kind of want to check this one out. And
I saw that he was the listing agent. Oh really,
I was like, I just can't do it. But that's

(01:15:47):
a weird thing though with La real estate. You show
up to an open house and you're like, wait, weren't
you on the Bachelor? Like aren't you on? Like that
actually happened to be numerous times.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:15:57):
No, I thought that Michelle really dominated him in the
conversation on the reunion, like obviously those daggers being thrown
and you know they're not being kind to each other,
but talk about the receipts right, Like she did not
have physical evidence of anything, but she everything he said.
She was just like, no, that's not true, and X,

(01:16:19):
Y and Z and here's what we're talking about. And
I really I keep going back to the kids. But again,
I know this is a show and it's entertainment, but
it is dark and it's real life. And I really
don't like how he said that she's weaponizing their daughter,
Like I just thought that was so cruel, and you
saw even Andy Andy Cohen was like yeah, no, like

(01:16:40):
don't go there, bro, you know this is not going
to end well for you, and it didn't because that
is something that you don't do. I don't care if
you're on reality TV or not to say that you're
weaponizing our young daughter. It's just it's really cruel.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
So no, he's a he's an icky guy. I want
to spend the last few minutes you have with us,
Elizabeth debating well. Rumors have been circulating that Tom Sandoval
and his girlfriend Victoria have been speaking with producers of
The Valley in our screen testing or whatever about the
possibility of joining the cast. I don't think this is

(01:17:15):
the worst idea ever. Now granted, Okay, well, you know
we as a you know, as a household, we've we
have expressed our frustrations in general with Bravo for their
lack of quality men. You know, they seem to really
love low character men, men who just don't really they're

(01:17:40):
not aspirational. You don't look up to them. They're they're
not someone. They just don't seem like the best guys.
But if you have to, you know, cast someone. The
last time we spoke to Tom Sandoval, he was in
he seemed to be in real emphasis unreal because with Bravo,
you know, we had that montage of Jackson's therapy and

(01:18:01):
it was just like the you know, none of that
seemed actually like real therapy. But last time we spoke
with Tom, he was in couples and individual therapy, going
multiple times a week. It seemed legit. I don't know,
no kids involved, We don't have to worry about that.
It seems messy, you know, like he seems like maybe

(01:18:22):
Tom has even turned a corner. But if you a
question for the for everyone, who would you rather have
Tom Sandoval or Jesse Lawley? Oh yeah, okay, not even
a questions.

Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
Here's also the thing. I mean, I was an og
in real time vander Pump Rules fan. I love the Valley,
but it's no early vander Pump Rules. Like, let's just
like call it for what it is, right, Like, there
are reality TV stars that have secured their place in
reality TV perpetuity for a reason, Jax being one of them.

(01:18:58):
Like you can think he's a terrible and hate him,
which seems to be where everything's going out. And I
really hope that he is doing well and betters himself.
And I was happy to hear you know how long
he's been sober and all the things. But there's a
reason why some of these people have been on TV
for fifteen years, and Tom Sandoval is one of them,
Like Jesse Lawley is not that you know, like if

(01:19:19):
he was not from the show, no one's gonna be like,
where is he so? And that's not even me being
mean to him. It's just me kind of talking about
there's different like there's a list celebrities and there's sealless celebrities,
and Tom Sandoval is an a list bravoelebrity. That doesn't
mean you like him. But I also think that the

(01:19:41):
scandival really I mean when I say boosted him, I
don't mean in a good way, but it boosted people
wanting to see him. I mean like on Traders. He
was really good on Traders and people really liked him
on there. And I think if the purpose of reality
is to be entertained and to watch the continuous train wreck,

(01:20:04):
then Tom Sandoval is a great idea, especially because Jacks
isn't going to be there. And remember the reason why
the Valley started was with Jax, Like the show would
not have been greenlit probably without Jacks. Now it is
fully persisted and they don't need him at this point
with the other characters. But like bringing in a big

(01:20:25):
Bravo name, whether people love or hate them, is never
a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Would you rather have Tom Sandoval's Sheena or Lala if
you had one, and if you could have two, who
would you have?

Speaker 7 (01:20:38):
I mean, right now in this moment, Tom and Sena
just given what's going on with both of them, Like,
I would want to see that all kind of play out.
But my answer would be all of them. But if
you're making me so.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
You want them all, you're you're you want to bring
them all back? Fuck it?

Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
Like I mean, maybe not as permanent cast members, but
I think bringing them in and out is is good.
And I think I think people are really invested in
their stories. And maybe you're invested because you know you
hate them, but they're still invested in a way that

(01:21:15):
I think we are not of someone who would come
in and be new, right, Like anytime you bring in
a new person that you don't know, you run the
risk of does this person land or do they not?
Are they boring? And we know that like Sena and
Tom are not going to be boring.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
We were talking about this the other day, you know, like,
I think that's why we like The Summer House so much.
And it's cast because despite whatever flaws they may have,
Like you look at like West, he's like a journalists
who works for like complex, and like he's hustling out
there and he seems to also be building a career
that he's proud of and that is cool. And you

(01:21:52):
have Kyle who, like you know, despite some of his
behavior as a husband, like really clearly is working hard
on his company. You have Craig at Southern Charm building
his pillow company. And you have these other characters who
give you good drama, but they're like they're doing something
with this opportunity that is to be a Bravo celebrity,

(01:22:12):
and they're actually like you know, not just like selling
their souls for clicks in clout or selling out their
spouses or just being messy, messy, messy, And it really
feels like the vander Pump Slash Valley group of friends.
They just really kind of have nothing going for them.
They only know how to like sell out each other,

(01:22:36):
throw each other under the bus. You know. It's like
for me to climb, you have to fall. It's kind
of Icky, and I wish they would find people for
this show where you could get a little drama and
then also root have a reason to root for them. Again,
I feel like Kristin and Luke are the only people
maybe Danny and Nea because other than like Danny Anda
having to like being under fire from the rest of

(01:22:58):
the cast and just kind of defend them, so you
didn't really get to see their at home dynamic or
how they make ends work with four kids under four years.
But you obviously have Kristen that was obviously a beautiful
story with her and Luke getting engaged and like having
her first baby. But the rest of the cast, it's
just like there's you don't really learn about these people's lives.

(01:23:19):
You only learn about like how they hate each other
or how they sell each other out. And I feel
like that's just the part of the show that like
I wish they would change, which is why, like you know,
Southern Charm or Summer House, because like you look at
Paige Disorbo, who obviously has left Bravo and has moved on,
but she's been able to do that because she was

(01:23:40):
an iconic Bravo celebrity. We enjoyed her on our screens.
She was a part of drama at times, she had great,
great one liners, but she's also built this amazing business
and amazing career, which I think for a lot of
women is very aspirational and very or just people in general.
And you just you don't see that from anyone in
the Valley vandor Pump universe.

Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
Yeah, no, I can't disagree with you, like one hundred percent,
But I also think you watch different shows for different reasons.
Like talking about Page being able to build this great
career away from Bravo. That's why Jacks hasn't been able
to write like Jax's career is being on Bravo. By
the way, on that note, like Jackson needed to go

(01:24:24):
like that, like that crossed the line, right, Like there's
reality TV drama and then there is substance abuse, domestic issues,
kids involved, like Bravo, this was the right however it
went down, that was the right decision, Like he like
that was at the point where it was dangerous and
behavior that should not be enabled on TV and quite
frankly not good for anyone, including Jackson. That's why I said,

(01:24:45):
I hope he's you know, getting the help that he needs.
And it sounds like he is, but he clearly was
still struggling on the reunion. But like, say what you
want about these people. There may be no redeeming qualities,
but like here's a question for you, which is a
yes or no answer, Like if Tom Sandoval joined The
Valley season three, are people going to watch?

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:25:09):
So that's also before I go because I have to
be live on air in a minute. But since we
were talking about Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry, I have
like a non update, but an update. You know, I
told you that our reporting standard here is we're not
a tabloid. We do not report on paparazzi photos. But
we are now reporting on it because there has been

(01:25:29):
some outreach and neither spokesperson for Trudeau or Katie Perry
has commented from our outreach. But there was somebody who
worked at the restaurant. Who is this person? Someone at
the restaurant said, and this isn't on the record quote
that we kind of got the vibe that they were
a little more chill, and went on to say there

(01:25:51):
was no indication of romance quote, no visual signs of
PDA or anything. So that's what I looked like the date,
but that's why I said. It may not be a
date like this could be a business meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
So well, or just a friend a friendly outing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Among Katy Perry will be the new Prime Minister of Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
You were discussing foreign policy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Yes, yes, Katie.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
That what else would Katy Perry talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Elizabeth appreciated taking the time. Always great to catch up
with you before we let you go. Bachelor and Paradise.
You like the new format? You into it or do
you miss like the old intro? What's your twenty second
batcheler in Paradise thoughts?

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
Okay, so I love it. I love the old version
and I also like the new version, and I actually
love the intro. I love like the remix the new song.
I think it's really smart what they are doing, because
obviously you watch it and it just it looks different.
It doesn't look like The Bachelor anymore. It looks like
Love Island or one of the Netflix shows. And that

(01:26:53):
is very intentional, in fact, to the point that there's
a new showrunner this season who came from the production
company that is behind Love is Blind and Perfect Match.
Another shout out, because I love shouting out my journalist's
friends Emily Longaretta a Variety who you know Nick Show, Yeah,
friend of show. Go to Variety dot com and read
her piece because she did an interview with the new

(01:27:13):
showrunner where they talk about these format changes. But I
think it's really smart because let's just call it out
for what it is. The Bachelor franchise is in was,
you know, falling, like it was all about Love is
Blind and the Netflix shows, and those were really becoming
dominant in pop culture after nothing could touch The Bachelor
for twenty years. So like everything, they have to evolve,

(01:27:36):
and I think Bachelor in Paradise is the franchise's most
fun show and it's where they can make changes, and
I think it's working, Like this season is very much
back in the pop culture zeitgeist, and you know, I
think that the executives, they're probably noticed by ratings and
by pop culture conversation that we have to make some changes,

(01:27:56):
and they did. And look at the end of the day,
like none of these other shows, Love is Blind, Perfect Match,
Love Island, none of them would exist without the Bachelor.
So it is like, you know, the leader in reality
TV dating shows, and now they're just adapting to new generation,
So I think it's fun. And you know, the last
point I'll make is they can never do what a

(01:28:19):
Love Island or a Too Hot to Handle can do
because they're held to broadcast standards. You know, like that
is the reality, Like they can't be as raunchy, they
can't cuss, they can't do anything that Love Island does.
But I think and by bringing in the Goldens, it
kind of just makes it like it's silly, but it's fun,
and you know, they can't be raunchy, but they can

(01:28:40):
be silly, and I think that they're doing it. And
like people are talking about this season, they like it
and I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Right, always good talking with Elizabeth. We also have Maggie
Q coming up momentarily, but before we do, we have
a Real Housewives of Atlanta rapid recap from Mary to
get into. So take it away, Mary, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
It is the Union, part three, the final episode, and
you guys, it really looks like Kenya's not coming back
this season. So apparently portion Shamia's moms even have beef.
So unless they take a page out of Riley and
Arianna from Next Gen's book, it is not looking good

(01:29:19):
for these girls. Rip I really enjoyed their friendship upfront.
But then we've got Drew, who still has one of
the scariest things in the world living in her basement
a man, and Drew still denies that she's dating Black,
but she does have his hookah to give to everyone,
and apparently this means that they must be together. And

(01:29:40):
I am confused because I don't know the significance of
hookah as a gift, so we'll see on that. But anyway,
the men finally entered the chat, and here is what
they had to say. Dennis said he never was trying
to sleep with Drew. He just wanted to make some money,
and that's real. I get it. Ralph is as always

(01:30:00):
an agent of chaos, but is very charming about it,
so it's kind of hard to like stay out at
him officially, even though he's living in that basement. And
Charles Oakley give that girl a peach. Apparently he won
on a date with Wendy Williams. He just dropped that bomb.
We need more of him, and we need it now.
In the end, the girls fight with love and I

(01:30:20):
can't wait to see what happens next season. Overall, will
Kenya return, would we be surprised if we never heard
from Brettedy again. Will Charles Oakley become an official housewife
next week?

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
I don't think soever. I just need to clarify that
Charles did not go on a date with Wendy Williams.
Wendy had offered to have him over for a glass
of wine. Circumstances came up, he said no. But the
whole contention was, well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Would you go on a date with Wendy Williams?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
And he said, I would have a glass of wine
with her.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
I love that man, which is a date exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
He's like, you could call it what you want, was
his response toy to his wife. I think we might
see Kenya come back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Well, the thing is, Kenya is also taking shazzat our girl,
Cynthia Bailey.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Now what does she do? Why is she doing that?

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Cynthia is just the voice of reason, you know, and
has normal takes about things. And she was like, well,
it was kind of bad what Kenya did. And Britt
also like she was kind of just like in the
middle of being like, this is a messy situation, and
she was, and Kenya kind of sent her some smoke
about not like standing up for her. So that's why

(01:31:30):
Kenya is bad at Cynthia.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
What and what did Kenya expect Cynthia to say?

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
I probably thought Kenya was innocent.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Well, like Kenya is not right, like regardless of what
you think of Britt, Like Kenya was wrong what she did,
and like maybe she can come back, but like it
it's as if Kenya is out there like acting if
it's as if she is being wrongly and falsely accused
of something and she's like waiting for the DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
I don't know she I guess Kenya said that she
she's not coming back, but we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Yeah, Kenya confirm she's not coming back for next season,
but there are two new cast members that they're starting
to film soon. So yeah, she's not returning. She's still
on pause.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
When's Real Housewife of Rhode Islands at the premiere?

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
They're still filming on Yeah, that'sive. Yeah the end of
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Okay, that's still not far away.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
I can't wait to hear what like the dik Like
the deep nuances of Rhode Island accents are That's my
favorite part of any Housewive franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
That's why you watch for the accents.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
No, but it's just like an added bonus, you know
what I mean, your love part. It's you know, I
can be hyperbolic thing. What's so wrong with that?

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Uh, it's one of my favorite parts. Excuse me. I
really enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
And it was actually really nice watching Drew and Porsche
hash out their issues with each other. They're all three
parts to finally end with a nice boat. And then
Cynthia gave what encouraging words, being like please don't let
or is it Kelly That was like, please don't let
this ruin your friendship between Shamia and Porsha. Oh yeah,
because Kelly lost her friendship Britt. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
I think it's it is nice of like they do
all fight. It's Atlanta at its core feels is so
much of a sisterhood in a way that like other
franchises don't necessarily hit for me. Of like you can
tell they all like.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Really love and care about each other, right and no
matter how mad they are at each other and fighting. Yeah,
And it was like the real drama ends up happening
between two people that really do not know each other,
like Britt, Yeah, Ken.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
The alliances whatever, but it's like the people that know
and like have history with each other, Like they're gonna
rut you know, they'll ride for you, Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
I'm excited to see them all kind of come together
and hopefully next season it won't be like Drew versus
the group. It'll just be like all the girls hang out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Yeah, I know, because I love Drew.

Speaker 6 (01:33:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Well, like she's so silly her one liners. I need
to watch them like be like a combined force versus
out each other.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Yeah all right. Well up next, we have Maggie Q
joined the show. She's promoting her new show Ballard, streaming
now on Prime Video. You have certainly seen Maggie Q
all over your screen, whether it's the big screen or
the small screen. She's been in some amazing films like
Mission Impossible, Three, Live Free, or Die Hard, the Divergence
series Nikita Designated Survivor. She is one of the badass

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(01:37:08):
Great to be with you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
Hi, is that the chair I'm supposed to be agin?

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Well, actually, no, this is my wife's chair. Who is
She is down with the flu right now. Unfortunately, otherwise,
she says, Hi, she was pretty bummed that she couldn't
be with us today.

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
Well, that sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:23):
Flu in the summer is the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Yeah, I had it a few days ago. It's it's
it's a nightmare. You gave it to her, I think so. Unfortunately.
We were joking earlier in the week that I, you know,
she wants me to wear more sweatpants, and I said, like,
wearing sweatpants makes me feel like I have the flu.
And then two days later I got the flu.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
So did you put the sweatpants on.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Okay, so that's why you got it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Yeah, I think I Sadly I manifested it. I don't know,
so it was. It was brutal, but she's down for
the count right now, unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (01:37:53):
So well send my regards to her. That would have
been cool. I didn't know you guys did it together.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah, well, yeah, we started doing it together after well
I started the show and then we got together, and
then I turned out. I was like, oh, you're really
funny and talented and with so very cool.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Do you think you could ever work with your partner?

Speaker 6 (01:38:13):
Yes? And I do kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
Actually, he's you know, he's not an entertainer or in
Hollywood and never has been. But funnily enough, he has
better instincts than anyone I know. So if I have
a project or anything, he reads it, you know, at
the same time or or after me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
If I said, hey, it's somewhat interesting, and he analyzes
it and figures out whether it would it would be
good for me or not good for me, then we
have a discussion. And then he has also another company
that I help out with that I do ads for,
and you know, we product development.

Speaker 6 (01:38:52):
We do product development for that company as well. So
it's fun. He's I respect my husband. He's really smart. Yeah,
and awesome. So it's a joy to work together.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
That's great. Yeah, I mean I never anticipated working with
my wife, but it's been like a really fun thing
that we both really love. And you know, it's like,
you know, obviously, I think we still get our own
quality time whatever it is we need, but it helps
us stay connected or like you said, like I think
there's like an addition to the love that we have,
like the respect and you know, like you I'm always

(01:39:24):
I trust her instincts, her taste, I want to run
things by her, and it just yeah, I don't know,
I feel like it's really helped our relationship more than anything.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
I think you're going to stay together because.

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
Because that's so foundational, right to have that connection and
not lose that. And it's funny and people always ask
why Hollywood relationships don't work. It's because it's not an
environment that's conducive for connection, right, because you get together
during this intense period people often meet on projects, and
then that intense amount of time ends and you go

(01:39:59):
into your but then your life goes into all these
different directions and you essentially start to lose that connection
and it has a compounding effect.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
That's that's so well said. More about you, Congratulations on
your new show Ballard. It's now on Prime Video. This
obviously is a spin off in the very popular show
bosh Right, which is very cool. I mean, I guess
that starting with like what did that mean to you
to represented with this opportunity to say, hey, uh, we

(01:40:30):
we want to create a whole new show based off
of this already successful show, but we wanted to be
centered around you. You know, my wife and I we
love a cold case show. We love a crime doc,
a procedural. We love it. It's like it's so it's
such an easy, fun, good watch. But like, what what
did that mean to you? For for to have this
opportunity presented to you?

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
It was It was interesting because I wasn't looking to
do a series again. I had been a lead on
a series before or several series, and it's an enormous
amount of work and you have to really love what
you're doing to be able to have the level of
output and make it successful and stick with it and

(01:41:14):
believe in it and all those things. So there has
to be many factors that attract you to a project
like that so that you can sustain it simply, you know,
as a business decision, and then obviously personally, like I said,
you have to love it because it is everything it is.
You wake up with it, you go to bed with it,
your weekends are recovering from it, so you are, you

(01:41:38):
are immersed. And I got I guess, uh, my agents
had gotten word of this sort of a year out
from when they actually spoke to me about it, because
I told them that if anybody ever calls for me
and it's not dead serious and ready to go, I
don't want to hear about it. It can come and
go without me knowing, and I'm fine with that. And

(01:42:01):
so they called me a year later, was as I
was about to get on a plane. And luckily this
show there was about seven scripts that were already written,
which is never happens, and that was because they had
a COVID delay, and then they had the actors and
the writers' strike again, and so this show was supposed
to go so many times without me and obviously a

(01:42:23):
different actor and all these things, all these different factors,
and it just didn't for whatever reason, as fate would
have it, and then they ended up in this place
where Michael Connolly told me that it was this whole.
The idea was, let's find someone like Maggie, and they
were on the hunt for somebody like Maggie, and then
I guess they went through.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
That year and then they're like, there's no one like Maggie,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
Which I was, so I was like, you could have
found someone, and they did have people lined up, and
just it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:54):
Just didn't work. I don't know what that was.

Speaker 5 (01:42:56):
And then I don't remember whose brilliant idea was to say,
why don't we just talk to Maggie? And they did,
and the gift was having those scripts ready so I
was able to read. On this flight to New Zealand,
I read seven episodes and when I landed, I was like,
really like her, I really liked this show. You know,
like you said, you know, with you and your wife

(01:43:17):
and you sit down and you watch something and it's
not easy in this sense of ease, but it's something
where the page just continues to turn. You want to
know what's happening. And if I want to know what's happening,
I am the person who's most disinterested. I'm the person
who's going to go into a script and find everything
wrong with it. And so I was interested, which is

(01:43:37):
very rare, and that that was just huge. And the
good news was that I didn't know much about BOSH.

Speaker 6 (01:43:43):
I knew that it did very well for Amazon.

Speaker 5 (01:43:45):
I knew that they had great success with it, but
because it wasn't sort of in my zeitgeist, that it
wasn't something that I felt a little less pressure. I
went into the universe going, well, I'm not married to that.
This is something new, this is something we hope to
elevate because it's a decade later, right and move into
the modern world of television with new new storytelling, even

(01:44:08):
though it's same type of subject. And I just felt
I just felt excited.

Speaker 6 (01:44:14):
After I met.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
Michael Connolly and I asked him a few questions, I
knew that the people in the room that I was
with I wanted to spend or I could spend a
lot of time with. And I think that's another huge
decision you have to make when you take a series, right, like,
do I like.

Speaker 6 (01:44:30):
These people so I don't spend a lot of time
with them?

Speaker 5 (01:44:34):
And if I don't and I don't believe in their integrity,
then this is going to be a rough road. And
I've been down that road. I've been down that road.
I've worked with people I don't respect, and it is torture.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
I hope it's not Justin Long. I'm just gonna he's
a friend.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
I cannot believe you just said that. I was on
the phone with him fifteen minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Oh my god, it's so funny because Justin's a friend.
You probably know him better than I do. He's been
on our shell multiple times. And I was like, oh
my god, Maggie Q and I just remember, like the
first time I was introduced to you was Live Free
or Die Hard, an amazing movie, and you came on
that scene. You were such a badass in that movie.
You've played a badass in so many roles. Well, actually,

(01:45:16):
before we go to that, what how's Justin? Is Justin good?

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:45:19):
It's funny.

Speaker 5 (01:45:20):
So this is what happens with Justin and I. He'll
call me, I won't answer. I'll call him back, he
won't answer. Then I'll get a voice memo, and then
Alson is.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Oh he loves a good voice memo.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
Yeah for sure, Oh he loves a good voice memo
and we're so do I know he was running into something,
and then I had to tell him that I was
actually coming onto this and and also had to go
because every time I get on the phone with Justin
more on the phone like an hour and a half, yeah,
sort of minimum, and we have a we have a
serious ketchup coming. So we both decided in in corresponding

(01:45:55):
voice memos that we decided on tomorrow afternoon, so that
will be our are big catch up.

Speaker 6 (01:46:00):
Yeah, but I love them so much.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
So long such a good dude, because I was going
to ask you about them, and You're, like, I have that.
I've worked with some people who have a respect that
I'm like, please, not just In love No, I mean never,
He's a great guy. But back to like, you know again,
like you play so many incredible characters, You're always so
often you're you're a badass. You've you trained with Jackie Chan,

(01:46:26):
which iconic superstar I mean I guess is that was
something was a goal of yours as you became an actor,
Like to like be someone who I imagine like a
lot of young women aspire to be and look up to.
I have a young daughter, myself and looking at your characters,
like you play a lot of characters that I I
want my daughter to look up to, like someone to like,

(01:46:49):
you know, I want her to feel like she can,
you know, own any room. And like you've played so
many like cool characters where that were in the best
possible way, were like intimidating, had such a great presence.
You've played this role so well in so many cool
different roles. But like, is that something you always thought
you would get into and just it was ordered to

(01:47:09):
just kind of happen naturally.

Speaker 6 (01:47:11):
It totally happened naturally.

Speaker 5 (01:47:12):
And it was strange because when I started my career,
you know, even as like an American girl from Waii,
I through a series of events, I ended up moving
to Asia and ended up living there for seven years,
and that's how I became represented by Jackie's management company
and got into early action movies on that side of
the world, in the action movie capital of the world,

(01:47:34):
Hong Kong. And so that was interesting because I'm not Chinese.

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
I didn't know anyone there, I don't speak the language.
I mean, it was just.

Speaker 5 (01:47:41):
A totally random sort of either divine or random or
fish out of water sort of thing that happened that
I ended up living there, and they came to me
about movie roles, and I was so confused. I mean
genuinely thought, I'm just here to make money and go
back home and finish school and that was the goal.

Speaker 6 (01:48:03):
And they're like, well, no.

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
People want to see in movies, And I thought, why
why do they want to see many movies? And then
as I when I did it, actually eventually signed with them.
You know, obviously Jackie's going to be producing action movies.
What else would he be producing, right, And so a
lot of the movies that Jackie produced, these early movies
that I was in, he's not in because Jackie is
a very smart businessman and he was looking to create

(01:48:27):
a new generation of action stars for a generation that
he doesn't appeal to, or you know, is it's harder
for him to appeal to.

Speaker 6 (01:48:34):
And so, you know, he picked.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
A bunch of guys and I was like the one girl,
and I don't know what it was. And I still
remember working with a director at that time who's a
friend of Jackie's, and and.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
I asked him, like, why why do people want me
for this?

Speaker 5 (01:48:49):
Like what's the deal? And he goes he said. And also,
I'm not a martial artist. That's the other thing that
gets confusing for people. People are like, oh, so did
you grow up doing martial arts? Not even a little bit.
I was a cross country runner, I did track and field.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
And I was a swimmer.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
What event in track and field?

Speaker 5 (01:49:06):
Track and field? I did the four hundred, the eight hundred.
I did hurdles for a little bit, long jump, high jump.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
I was a forn ack guy myself in college.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
Oh were you were?

Speaker 9 (01:49:16):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:49:16):
Very cool?

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
So yeah, I mean, I you know, we're weird because
we're not sprinters, but we're like, we're not totally distanced,
but you know, we're we fall somewhere in between. And
so with that background, as you know, I mean, I
couldn't even touch my toes.

Speaker 6 (01:49:30):
I wasn't flexible, you know, I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:49:32):
And so I asked the direct I said, why don't
they just grab someone from a dojo somewhere who and
throw them in action movies? Like, why would you take
the time to train me and get me into a
certain physical shape with a background that I don't have
when there's tons of people with martial arts backgrounds and
you can just throw into movies like I don't understand

(01:49:54):
the difference, and I really didn't, and he said at
the time he told me, I think I was like
maybe nineteen or two. He said, Maggie, you can't teach strength.
Strength is something that's internal, and if you don't have
an internal strength, you can do really high kicks and
do all this stuff and it's not going to matter
to anyone. They aren't going to feel anything. That was

(01:50:14):
so I have a revelatory to me for whatever reason.
And then I remember looking at Jackie at that time
and thinking, yeah, he's one of the strongest people I know,
one of the hardest working, mentally tough. Just he has
all of that internal and if he didn't, even though
he does comedy with his action somehow, you just wouldn't

(01:50:35):
connect to him. You have to know that there's a
strength there. And so yeah, that director was the first
person to tell me that.

Speaker 6 (01:50:41):
And I guess over.

Speaker 5 (01:50:43):
The years, after now twenty five years being in action movies,
I guess I do have the mental fortitude and I
do have the strength, because I'll tell you, you won't
get this far if you don't, because it is a hard, hard.

Speaker 6 (01:50:56):
Road to take.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah, and it's definitely a grind. Well, before we let
you go, we have a fun game we want to
play with you to celebrate your amazing twenty five year career.
So we came up with a little game where we're
going to ask you questions about movie or movies or
show plots, and you have to tell us if you
were in it in the name of the character that

(01:51:18):
you played.

Speaker 6 (01:51:19):
Oh god, I forget everything. So this is gonna be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
All right, are you ready?

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Number one, I feel like I have to do like
a dramatic reading in an effort to avoid bang off
a massive gambling debt to a notorious mobster in England,
a couple flees to Los Angeles to hatch a jewelry
theft plot.

Speaker 5 (01:51:39):
I'm in it and I play a Russian girl named Rina.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Ding Ding ding ding Ding.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
One for one, she is correct.

Speaker 6 (01:51:50):
I can't believe you brought that movie up. That's hysterical.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Twenty eighteen The cons.

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
The con is on the come on arena.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Uh so solo Kova.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
Yeah, if you asked me your last name, I would
have failed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Well, you didn't fail. You nailed it, all right. Number
question number two or plot number two in a world
divided by factions based on virtues and di vergins are dangerous.
Kind of gave it away.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
Yeah, that we gave that giveaway. Yes, I'm in it,
and I played Tory.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Okay, correct, all right. Number three, a loyal and dedicated
Hong Kong expector teams up with a reckless and loud
mouthed lapd cop.

Speaker 6 (01:52:32):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (01:52:33):
I am in that for a brief cameo that Jackie
made me do, and.

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
My character does not have a name. I think I'm
girling car.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Okay. I think my producer meant to trick you on
this one because apparently that's supposed to be the one
for Rush Hour one, and you were in rush hour.

Speaker 6 (01:52:50):
Rush Hour one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Oh that's okay, you were.

Speaker 5 (01:52:53):
But in Rush hour too.

Speaker 6 (01:52:55):
He's still a Hong Kong Kong.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Yeah, I know, he's like that. I don't know that's
the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
It's the fact that you nailed girl in car for
the day it was.

Speaker 6 (01:53:05):
It was a shining moment for me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Number four teenage superheroes strive to prove themselves as members
of the Justice League.

Speaker 5 (01:53:15):
I I am in that, and I have been the
voice of wonder Woman for a decade.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Wow, I didn't know that you're the voice of money. Yeah,
that's incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:53:27):
Yeah, we don't advertise it. It's weird.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
It's just something I've done for a really long time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
That probably plays the bills really well too. For those
of you who don't know, it's the Justice League. She
plays the young princess Diane. Yeah, Diana, Diana. I am
f Agent Ethan Hunt comes into conflict with a dangerous
and sadistic arms dealer who threatens his life and his
fiance in response.

Speaker 6 (01:53:53):
Yes, that's my three and I plays in.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Yes you do. That's a great movie.

Speaker 6 (01:53:57):
By the way, does it really make bad movies?

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
What was it like working on the Mission Mission Impossible franchises?

Speaker 6 (01:54:04):
Very very surreal.

Speaker 5 (01:54:06):
I remember when I got the movie, Tom was on
War of the Worlds promoting, and so he wanted to
be there at my audition, but he wasn't. And then
so I met him after he came back from that
tour during my camera test, and he walks up behind
camera and he's like, Maggie, Tom next, and I remember thinking,
I went like this because I grew up watching this man,

(01:54:29):
and now that face is talking to me, and it
didn't feel like that was possible.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Yeah, that's kind of been surreal. Did you guys have
a conversation about like how you guys do your own stunts?

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
I mean, we had a lot of conversations. The thing
about Tom is that you can't say no to him.
So there were stunts that JJ took me out of
in the movie. He made my double do it because
he was like, Maggie, it's too dangerous. You have to
finish the movie.

Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
It's too dangerous.

Speaker 5 (01:54:53):
And I'm like, but you know what's it's Tom and
he do everything I was all. And then my double
does this one stud for me where she jumps off
a roof onto a balcony and she did end up
getting her ankle caught in the in the railing and
it actually ended up breaking right.

Speaker 6 (01:55:10):
And JJ looks at me and goes, what I do
you understand?

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
I'm like, okay, do you still do your own stunts
from time to time?

Speaker 5 (01:55:17):
I do?

Speaker 6 (01:55:18):
I do most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Yeah, that's incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:55:20):
I have great doubles.

Speaker 5 (01:55:20):
But I mean, you know there's certain things where, like
you know, certain crashes and certain falls that are just unnecessary.
You know, when I have to lead a show like Ballard,
you know I'm on the show, and you know I've
got five more episodes. I can't fall through two bookcases
and hit the ground because I got to wake up
at four the next.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Day, all right, last one to win a bet. An
eccentric British inventor embarks with his Chinese valet and an
inspiring French artist on a trip full of adventure in
dangers around the world in exactly eighty days.

Speaker 9 (01:55:54):
Yes, I end in that.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
I end in around the world eighty days. Again. A cameo.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
Jackie was like, you gotta do this, and I was like,
I know, but we had actually so much fun. I
don't think my character has any it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
It's female agent, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
It's a quick little thing in like in like the
fourteenth century.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
I don't know, Maggie. You got a pretty you got
a pretty good memory.

Speaker 5 (01:56:20):
I have to say, there are other things that you
could have asked me that I would have forgotten.

Speaker 6 (01:56:24):
So you guys, thank you very kind.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Maggie. It's been so much fun talking with you. Congratulations
on your amazing career. And obviously this new exciting show
Ballard that is out now on Prime video and everyone
should watch it. It's very good. Thank you so much
for joining us. Where can people find you anything you
want to promote or plug or.

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
I mean not really right now, the show's doing so well.
I have no clue how that happened besides just working
my ass off.

Speaker 6 (01:56:53):
But we're we're excited.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
We're still the top on Prime after many weeks, and
so anybody who has found it, if you if you're
finding it now, please tune in. We're we're so excited
about the success of the reach of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Well, it's a great show and it's got a great lead,
so it's not a surprise it's doing so well.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
So well, we justin and I will discuss you tomorrow
and if I'm back on, I'll let you know what
we said.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
All right, I appreciate it, all right, all right, sounds good.
All right. That will do it for us today. Thank
you to our guest Maggie Q and Elizabeth Wagmeister for
joining us. Also, thank you to our callers who called
in with their hot takes. Don't forget you can share
your hot take as well with the new Mint Mobile

(01:57:37):
Hot Take Hotline. If you want to call in and
share your hot take, all you have to do is
call one eight five five mint t l K. Also,
the number will be listed in the show notes. And
just for a special uh, you know, like just to
send you on your way, we have a three minute
voice note someone rifting about their love for Bachelor and Paradise.

(01:57:58):
It is a doozy I think you'll enjoy it, and
we'll leave you with that to send you on our way.
We're back next week for a jam packed week, an
amazing going deeper episode, a bunch of great guests. It's
gonna be a great time. We will see you then,
Bye bye.

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Hi.

Speaker 9 (01:58:12):
My hot take is that I personally I've heard his opinions,
and I personally I love the new Paradise. I know
that it's like a new change and like a new edit,
but like, I personally like it. I find it funny,
I find it entertaining. I'm a loyal I'm a loyal viewer,

(01:58:34):
so like, if you give me Bachelor and Paradise, I'm
gonna watch Bachelor in Paradise because I think Bachelor in
Paradise is probably the best out of all three shows,
like my favorite. I read the article that was done
by Entertainment Weekly that says Scott Teddy or Scott Teffy

(01:58:55):
or whatever, and he's a showrunner and I looked him
up on i MDB and it says that he did
the first three seasons of Summer House, which I think
makes sense. Sorry, I'm I'm a i'm a yapper like Spencer,
which probably like Spencer and Jess are my favorite couple
on Bachelor of Paradise. But anyways, Scott did the first

(01:59:19):
three seasons of Summer House, and it honestly tracks because
like the way that they're editing the way that they're
editing Bachelor in Paradise this year is like kind of
like reminiscence of the seasons one through three of Summer House.
Like it's peak comedy. It's hilarious the way that Jesse

(01:59:41):
like finished the phone call or finish explaining the game,
and then he like laid back down and was like
saying that, like, if we keep doing these exercises, I
never have to see these people again. It's like, Jesse,
that's your job. You should want to stebe, you should
wanna you should want to to see these people. So

(02:00:02):
I thought that was really funny. Or Cat Cat's been hilarious. Again,
I've only seen like the first two episodes, but yeah,
I just had to say that. My heart take is
that I personally enjoyed this new paradise. I know it's
not everyone's cup of tea because, like people say, although
the problem is that it is three hours and I

(02:00:26):
feel like it never used to be this long. It
used to be two hours twice a week, and now
it was like five hours of TV and I just
couldn't get I still haven't even seen episode three yet,
but yeah, sorry, that was three minutes. I'm a yapper
and I like to talk, and especially about Bachman Paradise.

(02:00:49):
Don't get me started on Batchman Paradise, because I will
talk your ear off right. Goodbye the pot at the
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