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And here's America's Criminologists, Doctor Curry Myers. Well, my friends,
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it's a second chance done right. For decades, criminologists like
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not primary. The deeper crisis is moral. I'm probably one
of the few applied criminologists that actually focuses on things
like faith, family, information, or the lack thereof that causes
a lot of problems that we have in society. Crime
is not merely the product of bad economics. It is
the fruit of eroded virtue. Often when faith declines, more
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relative relatism rises. When fracture occurs, accountability weakens. When formation
like moral, civic, and intellectual discipline collapses. We do not
simply get disorders. We get what I call the rise
of feral man, individuals untethered from responsibility, detached from transgendenscendent truth,
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and increasingly susceptible to mob influences and cultural contagions. Now,
over the past several years, we've witnessed something remarkable and troubling.
Entire populations moved in lockstep under fear. Institutions enforce edeks
without deliberation. Law enforcement was placed in morally precarious positions,
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and many who valued liberty accepted coercion in the name
of safe Today we explore the psychological architecture behind the moment,
mob mentality, mass formation, What happens when fear replaces reason?
My guest, Doctor Kelly Victory brings experience in trauma, medicine,
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and clinical psychology to help us examine how civil societies
can fracture and more importantly, how they can be rebuilt.
Because if we do not understand how order collapses, my friends,
we can't restore it. So let's begin. Doctor Kelly Victory
is a residency train in boarded trauma and emergency specialists
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with over thirty five years of clinical experience. She's an
expert in disaster preparedness and response and the medical management
of mass casualties. She's had an extensive background in public health,
having served as chief medical officer providing healthcare services for
dozens of Fortune five hundred companies, including Continental Airlines, Nissan Automotive,
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Harry's Entertainment, Sprint Wireless USA Today, Gannett, and Scott's Miracle Grow,
as well as federal agencies. Doctor Victory is an alumnus
of the National prepar Preparedness ecuse ME Leadership Initiative, a
combined effort of Harvard School of Public Health and the
Kennedy School of Government to develop meta leaders for national
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disaster preparedness and response. She has worked closely with officials
and Homeland Security, hass FEMA, and multiple branches of the military.
In addition, she has served as a member of the
Leadership Council at the Harvard School of Public Health. For
many years, Doctor Victory advocated tirelessly for a more measured, risk,
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risk stratified approach to COVID nineteen pandemic response. She was
a consistent and vocal proponent of aggressive or early outpatient
treatment for COVID nineteen, as well as a cautious and
informed risk benefit based approach to COVID vaccination. Her focus
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is on empowering patients through education and understanding their full
range of treatment options, as well as risk benefit calculations
for any intervention. Victory also currently serves as the Chief
of Disaster and Emergency Medicine for the Wellness Company, as
well as the chief medical Officer for the Wellness Company's
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Chronic Care Management division. Doctor Victory makes frequent radio and
television appearances. She's been a busy one today, she tells us,
so she's we thank her for hanging in with us
over chronic care management, or excuse me on disasters, casualty
preparedness and response efforts. She's appeared on Fox News, Newsmax,
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America's Real Voice News Nation, and other important outlets, and
of course my show, you know that's one of the
most important ones of them all. She holds a BS
from Duke University, earned her MD from the University of
North Carolina, and completed her residency in emergency medicine and
trauma at the Carolinas Medical Center. And quite frankly, she
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is a true American patriot who is unafraid and speaks
with truth and reason. Doctor Victory, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much. It's an honor, really a true
honor for you to take time to come on my show.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Thanks so much for having mecur I. I am delighted
to join you.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Well, it's to have someone of your expertise. I wish
we had you know, a week to be able to
go over everything. Maybe someday we can have you back,
but we want to be able to get to this
in segments and kind of break these down into segments
because this is an hour long show, so we have
a little bit of time, but it goes it goes fast. Really, First,
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we want to talk about the psychology the mob. You know,
the COVID era exposed the fragility of civil society under
perceived crisis. Individuals who ordinarily function within moral and civic
reason all of a sudden kind of became stewards of
the government. You know, whatever they wanted to do, they
were perfectly happy to carry out and not worry about
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any of those unintended consequences that it could occur. The phenomenon,
commonly described as mob mentality or mass formation psychosis, demonstrates
just how fear and isolation and centralized narrative control can
override independent moral reasoning. From a clinical psychological standpoint, what
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distinguishes normal crowd behavior into true mob mentality.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
That's a great question, and I certainly did lead much
of what we saw during the pandemic debacle. I think
there are multiple factors at play here. Number one, you
start with fear. Fear is an incredibly powerful motivator. There's
nothing and certainly the powers that be understand that in
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times of fear, and we can get into this, people
do not think clearly or they are not capable frankly
of thought the way we really perceive it. People in
times of great fear are operating from the lowest level
of their brain function, the hind brain. It's where that flight,
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fight or freeze comes from. So you start with that,
start with a component of fear, and we can delve
into how it is that they built that component of fear.
Then you add on the insatiable human need for belonging,
the desire to be part of the group, to not
be shunned, and the powerful nature of shunning and isolation
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that's been used for centuries millennia as a way to
punish people. Think about what we do to our worst criminals.
We put them in solitary confinement. You know, back in
the you know Nathaniel Hawthorne, How did they deal with
the scarlet the one with the scarlet letter? They shunned her.
So take you've got fear, You've got the insatiable desire
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to be part of the crowd and not be disenfranchised
from the crowd, not only from a psychological basis, but
because of a safety being part of the group is
seen generally as safety. There's safety in numbers. Remember you
get taught that as a very very young child, best
not to be isolated. That's what does a coyote doing
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pack of coyotes do, they isolate the weak one and
they kill it. So there's that component, and then there
is the dark side. The third component curry, which I
believe is the dark side of man, which is the
fact that many people that in our most rudimentary, primordial selves,
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will look for an excuse to act in a way
that we otherwise would not give ourselves the ability to act,
to do something, say something, act in a way we
know fundamentally is not moral or quote right, but we
are looking for an excuse to do it. So when
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all three of those things come together in the perfect storm,
which is exactly what happened in COVID, you had the
formation of the mob. You had fear causing people to
go into flock together, and then flocking together the ability
to give each other a pass to behave in ways
that are otherwise considered morally incomprehensible. And the question for me, really,
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as we break it down, is not so much why
did the average person do it? But why did previously
thoughtful people, people who we normally think of as intellectual,
capable of critical thinking, people who are morally on the
high ground. Why did all of those people also at
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this time, I gravitate to the mob.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Are there any factors that really can strengthen an individual
resistance that we have to this kind of mob behavior?
Or how do we prepare you know, when it happens again,
which we talked before before we went live, it's going
to happen again, because pandemics occur in many different forms.
How can we prepare to kind of minimize this mob
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rule behavior?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Well, first of all, I think it begins with understanding
really your own ability to be sucked into the abyss.
I teach a class on leadership in times of crisis.
I firmly believe that leaders can be trained, and part
of the way that we train leaders is to understand
how they how do you personally behave in times of fear?
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Start with that whatever the fear is. If you're a
police officer, it might be when you hear the first
shot go across. When if you're a trauma there's like me,
it's when the person comes in with a limb ripped off.
When if you're depending on where you are in your life,
what the thing that induces fear is going to happen?
And understanding what happens primordially to your brain, that you
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are initially going to go what I call to your
emotional basement. It happens to all of us. If you
are a fighter pilot and all of a sudden the
hell fire missiles are raining down on you, you are
going to go to that emotional basement. Good leaders, people
who are trained in crisis management, people who will not
get sucked into the mob, who will not fall prey
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to the fear, are people who understand, Okay, I'm going
to my emotional basement because of what's going on. But
they are able to look objectively at what's going on
and say, i am not going to act right now
when I'm at this place, at my primordial low in
my reptilian brain, my flight fight or freeze brain. I'm
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going to get myself back to a level where I'm
thinking more clearly, back to a level playing field. That's
why we train fighter pilots to use a checklist. That's
why you know they go through a checklist every single time.
It's why we train doctors go through a check no
matter what else is going on, we go through a
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B C airway, breathing circulation. Don't get distracted by everything
else go back to that checklist. You can train people
and in your life to do that is why we
teach parents count to ten before you clock your kid.
Do not act out of that basement mentality. Check yourself.
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This could be done in real time. A fighter pilot
does it a matter of seconds, A good surgeon does
it in a matter of seconds, A good you know
you don't. A good police officer does it in a
matter of seconds. Check yourself, understand what's going on, and
do not act in that place of fear. That can
be taught. It also has to do with having I
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think moral, you know, integrity for lack of a better word, curry.
You know, if we go back to the fable that
many of us learn growing up of the emperor has
no clothes. You know, why was that one little boy
the only one willing to say, you know, when all
the adults around him are crooning on about the beauty
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of the robes that the emperor is wearing, because they've
been told only people who are idiots, only people who
are unintelligent, only people who are adults, can't see the
beautiful robes that the emperor is wearing. So not wanting
to appear a fool. All the adults said, you know,
went on and on about the beautiful clothes that the
emperor is wearing, and only one little boy, who's willing
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to speak the truth, says he's naked. He has no
clothes because that child was not afraid to be called
a fool. So that's integrity, that's you know, emotional moral integrity.
So I think it's a combination of a lot of things,
but it begins with understanding how susceptible you are to
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being sucked in. I have spoken, I mean to thousands
now since the beginning of the pandemic, thousands of my
own colleagues who I approached in the midst of the
crisis and said, you know, I sat next to you
in virology class. Surely you know that face masks do
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nothing to stop the spread of a respiratory virus.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
And they would look right at me and just say,
I just I have to I have to follow what
they're saying, Kelly. They couldn't. They just even though they
knew intellectually the right thing, they could not go against
the grain for year of being ostracized, for being isolated.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well, we saw the same thing in law enforcement just
like you saw with some of the physicians is and
we do a lot of training. I mean, law enforcement
by and large does a lot of training, especially the
bigger departments that exist, and there's leadership training that goes
along with it. I myself, I was on a tactical
team for ten years. We trained constantly, We had numerous
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missions that we had to go on. I was in
the nineteen ninety three federal building shootout and bombing incident.
In training matters because how your train you respond in
crisis and you follow that training. I mean it's amazing
how you go back to your training and following and
yet doctor victory. When COVID occurred, we had police officers,
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not all, but we had some police officers that followed
the edeks of a governor or followed the edechs of
a mayor, especially police chief for instance. You didn't see
as many share us because they're really more constitutional positions
and elected by the people. But we saw police chiefs
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sometimes cave to those edechs and do the enforcements without
really the legal background to actually make those enforcements happen.
And we saw public health professionals, I mean people who
are on the government dime as public health leaders in
the in the country, most of them made the mistake
of going all in on this thing.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Well there's another other factor, as they said, this is
multi factorial, another factor. I think that plays a huge
role here, Corey. And you can tell me if you
saw it as much as I did. In law enforcement,
as you take people who are at a relatively low
level of authority, you know, a tsa agent at the airport,
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a flight attendant you know on the plane, a nurse,
a public health quote expert, somebody who doesn't actually practice medicine,
but you know, a bureaucrat low level people, and you
give them a little bit of authority, you give them
the ability to okay, and you're laughing because you know
it's true. So the nurses who were empowered to say,
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you know, or the flight attendants who were empowered to say,
get that mask over your nose, I all of a
suddenly have right. I have power now that I didn't
have before. And it's intoxicating. I like having this power.
I like the ability to wield my authority over others,
whether you're a teacher, you're in a position in your life,
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or all of a sudden overnight as a result of
a microscopic, invisible virus. You have been, you know, anointed
as the power, having power over a lot of other people.
And there's a mentality unfortunately well represented certainly in law enforcement,
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certainly well represented in the healthcare field, old and an
education that given a small amount of authority over others,
they will wield that like a cudgel and take great
joy in it. There's a reason why, you know, I
didn't think we'd ever get Anthony Fauci to get off
the podium. I mean he that, you know, he was.
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He truly ascended from from a relatively lack luster career
to one of tremendous authority. He really was considered to
be Saint Fauci by much of the world for a
period of time.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Well, speaking of narcissism, yes, it seems like those that
were the most narcissistic, the dark psychological traits have kind
of come to fruition, this machiavelianism, this this way that
they have. It seems like those kinds of people, when
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they come to power, are in those positions of detaining
or controlling and they start really standing out. You can
almost read the tea leaves on what kind of behaviors
there have. Has there been any studies on the type
of people who who made some of these major decisions
and what really their backgrounds and what their maybe fundamental
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beliefs were, Well.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Many of them, I could tell you. They haven't been
studies on it, but I can tell you that the
vast majority, not surprisingly, had financial incentives, certainly Anthony Fauci
and all the people in our agencies. This is one
of the great scandals is that so many people in
our own federal agencies CDC, FDA, and ih all had
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financial interests. The CDC and individuals within the CDC actually
owned parts of patents on the quote vaccines. I mean,
how we could have ever allowed something like that to
happen is true insanity. When you think about the fact
that the United States is one of only two countries
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in the world, the other being New Zealand that allows
pharmaceutical advertising on television because those advertising dollars, you can
be sure that nobody in the mainstream media, no talking head,
I don't care if it's on Fox or MSNBC, is
going to say something negative. They are going to say
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what they are told to say by the people who
pay the bills. I had a conversation some years ago
with Roger Ayles, the former CEO of Fox News, who
told me at the time it is probably eight years ago,
that he was interested in getting rid of pharmaceutical advertising
on Fox, but he couldn't because they represented seventy percent
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of Fox News's advertising dollars came from pharmaceuticals. So start
with that huge financial piece. Then there's that narcissism piece.
There's that I have been identified I Anthony Founci have
been identified as the world's expert, and everyone's listening to me.
You take somebody like Deborah Brooks, the Scarf Lady. Nobody
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had ever heard Deborah Brooks's name before. She was a nothing.
She was an absolute you know, had a very lackluster career,
and all of a sudden, she's on the news every
night saying, you know, speaking quote truths. All of a sudden,
you have all of these, you know, people in every
state public health quote unquote officials whose jobs previously had
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just been to review, you know, policies and protocols in
a three ring binder, and all of a sudden, they
are now making policy about whether schools are open whether
people can go to the beach, whether or not we're
going to allow you know, people to go to basketball practice,
and on and on and on. So they all of
a sudden have been elevated to this great position. And
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so I think that there are multiple things, but certainly
you cannot overlook the financial component for many of these people.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Well, and in law enforcement, any good detectives going to
we always say follow the money, you know, any time
there's a crime going on, because you have to do that,
whether it's a murder investigation or a theft or whatever
it may be. It's you know, motivation, it's you know,
either going to be sex, money, you know, anxiety, you know,
you know, desire. All those kinds of things are the
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first things you try to eliminate when you happen. And
yet good doctors like yourself, there were many that came
out and defended the protocols that actually existed prior to this.
There were protocols to actually deal with these kinds of pandemics.
There was common sense that was being used by many doctors.
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There were many police chiefs and many sheriffs who said, no,
I'm not going to force that edict. Even though the
governor says in my county or my cini were not.
Most of them were sheriff's because they had the autonomy
to do so. And I even wrote anytime I saw
those abuses, I wrote about it and had many policy
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papers and talked about it all over the media about
the misuses of government forces to do this, like in
Minnesota we had Minnesota. In Minneapolis, I think police officers
were used with National Guard to actually patrol streets in
mass twenty thirty at a time, and they had riot
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pellets where they were shooting at people they stood outside.
Those are documented right.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Well, remember they really career successfully implemented the protocol to
start mass formation psychosis. And when you think about that,
this is certainly not the first time in history that's happened.
The concept of mass formation side cosis is that the
powers that be need to identify a foe, you know,
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dial it back to you know, the Third Reich, Nazi
Germany back in the forties. The foe was the Jews.
They said, they are responsible for everything bad that's happened
to you, and if we could just get rid of them,
life will be good for you. So they get the
masses to focus on a third foe, and then they
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drive behavior to say, if you're with us, if you're
part of our group, certainly you acknowledge that this is
the foe and that everything should be done to defeat
that fae. In the case of COVID, the foe was
a microscopic, invisible virus, and if you were not one
of the people willing to defeat the virus by wearing
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the mask, social distancing, you know, the lockdown, all of
the insanity, you know. See, they could have told people
stand on one foot, you know, and clap your head whatever,
and they would have done it because the focus was
we must defeat you know, the foe, which is the virus.
Two weeks to flatten the curve. Remember, we're all going
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to get together, all for one, one for all. They
get people to focus on this third thing, this third party,
and then virtue signaling becomes, you know, the lay of
the land that if you aren't wearing the mask, if
you dare to stand closer than six feet, if you
don't keep your child out of school, if you push
back on it at all, you are identified as being
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on the other side. You must also be the enemy
you're trying to protect the virus or you're in the
same way that you must be trying to protect the Jews.
You are seeen as and you became just as bad
as the foe. So it was a way of cleaving
the entire population, and you were forced to take a stand.
Which side are you on? Are you on the side
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of the virus, Kelly, or are you on the side
of righteousness? You know, are you in the side of
the Jews or are you on the side of righteousness?
And they create that false dichotomy that allows people to say,
I am going to go along with us because I
want to be part of the group. I don't want
to live in fear, and I've been told that if
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I can help to participate in eradicating the foe, whatever
it is, then I will be you know, my life
will be good.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Seems like we have a it seems like we have
kind of a red state blue state phenomenon going on
to different Americas that are occurring. In many red states,
legislatures came together and said they put regulations on public health,
saying you and no longer have the authority that you
used to. There was many many states had public health
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where what they said man you had to do, and
legislatures did that. There's many Blue states that didn't correct
it at all. Can you quickly because we got to
go to commercial break, can you kind of is that
the right thing to make sure that the Blue states
also are able to control this better?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
I think absolutely. The idea of taking this out of
the hands of public health, where public health can make
mandates based on an emergency declaration, that's where this all
came down. They said, if there's a declaration of a
public health emergency, then public health quote experts or authorities
can make put these mandates in place without actually passing
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a law. That's a very slippery slope, Curry, because what's
the next quote public health crisis, gun violence, climate change, right, right,
So all it would take is the next declaration to
be something that allows then public health authorities to put
into place mandates without passing appropriate legislation. It's a very
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slippery slope.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Well, that's some good stuff. Can you come back for
the next segment? Sure, all right, very good, folks. We'll
be right back with doctor Kelly Victory after this extended
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So Doc I have a theory called feral Man. It
posits that modern criminal arch types increasingly exhibit a convergence
of the dark psychological traits we just talked about those
a little bit earlier, compounded by technological social contagions untreated
mental illness. It's huge. California itself has fifty two percent
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of the nation's homeless. I use homeless in quotes because really,
in many ways it's it's not homelessness. It's really transient
criminal transient behavior often that's fueled by drug addiction and
in alcoholism, and again the erosion of faith, family in formation.
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If you're if you don't serve something greater for yourself,
you don't have family, you don't have moms and dads
in your life. If you're not formed correctly socially, then
this kind of this kind of feral complex can all occur.
So clinically, what are the difining features of the dark triads?
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And do you kind of understand where I'm coming from
with respect to this theory of the advent of feral
man and the change in criminal arc types that we're.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Seeing, Well, I absolutely, I absolutely do. I started at
the very beginning by saying that there is a primordial
portion of man that is deep seated that if left
to his own devices, he will do what feels good.
You know, what is easy? Uh, you know that is
it is? You know, motivation and morality are something that
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are taught, are learned. Left to its own devices, you know,
man will do what is easy and is right. Now,
I believe, without any question, isn't even close that what
we refer to as social media. The advent of all
of this everything that you know, includes social media, not
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just I'm not just talking about Facebook and Twitter, talking
about access to the internet, everything, the ability for us
to be flooded on a twenty four to seven basis
with dark imagery, dark things, access to everything that is intoxicating,
whether it's food, drugs, pornography, whatever it is, to all
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of the bad. It's as if you take somebody, you
free them from all bounds of decency and throw them
into a candy store of everything they could want, and say,
eat as much as you want, Drink as much as
you want. There's no off switch. Unfortunately, when people do that,
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do it over and over again, they become a nesssatized
to the pain and suffering of others. They lose a
sense of empathy. They actually take great joy some you know,
not only physical joy, emotional joy, sexual joy in the
suffering of others and the over indulgence. We have become
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an incredibly over indulgent society. You know, I focus as
a physician on the fact that you know, we have
forty percent of adults are either overweight or obese. Forty
percent of adolescents have pre diabetes because of this over indulgence.
You can apply that same thing to our morality, our brains.
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We are over indulgent in everything we have. People lost
their reliance on faith and family. Absolutely, the percentage of
Americans who actually go to church on a regular basis,
who have not only have a nuclear family, but live
in respect of that nuclear family, meaning that they sit
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down together for meals without their phones they communicate. Those
things are lost. So we are becoming less and less sophisticated.
The more technology we have, the less sophisticated we become.
Kids are less able to write a sentence with correct
grammar and actual punctuation today by far than they were
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fifty years ago. Children cannot add soprict, They cannot do
basic arithmetic that compared to fifty years ago. They don't
know the niceties of writing a thank you note, how
to address a letter. We are becoming less and less sophisticated,
more and more feral. And it sounds trivial what I'm
talking about, not being able to punctuate a sentence or
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address an envelope. But you better believe it's not trivial
when you talk about how you behave in society, whether
or not you believe it is okay to take from
others what is not yours, to behave in ways that
are aggressive to others, to treat your children, to treat
your elders, to treat your animals. See, I am just
a polled at what I see on a daily basis
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about the way people are treating animals now compared to
fifty years ago. So do I believe that we have
a new archetype of man, and that man is becoming
more and more feral. Absolutely, and it's being allowed. We
are allowing it in schools. I don't have children. If
I did, I certainly wouldn't send them to a public school.
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What I see going on in those hallways is so unhinged.
It is so far from the civil society where I
grew up, where we were uniforms and we stood in line,
and we were respectful of our teachers. And you didn't,
dare you know, get to have something that sent you
to the principal's office or have your parents be called.
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It's essentially a mash pit. Now. It's a free for
all in these schools. And Pharah, I think is the
nicest word you could apply to it.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Well, And it kind of goes with your original sin.
I mean that we're all born with that original sin,
and if we don't have that faith, family information to
help keep us in check, then we're going to have problems.
I mean, Saint Augustine wrote about this, you know, many long,
long time ago on the City of God city of Man.
Are we going to be a st Man or were
going to be a city of God? And here are
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the unattended consequences if we choose the city of Man.
So imagine what Saint Augustine would be writing today because
the abuse is that he saw in that time period.
And there's always been social contagions. There were social contagions
back then. You can consider the Salem witch trials social contagions.
There's always social contagions, just like there's going to be
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biological contagions that are out there. But the greater question
is how do we or how are we supposed to
exist where we're seeing an increase in this criminal arc
type that is a different type of criminal. It's one
that is more sadistic. It certainly goes into the dark
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tech trad territory of the dark psychological traits. And if
you compound that with this problem, we have crime, but
we have no punishment anymore. And again it becomes a
red and blue state issue. There are many red states
where people still go to jail for committing crime where
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they haven't decriminalized certain things. Today we have decriminalization that
has a cur on many different crimes and I'm not
saying people should go to jail on every crime that
gets committed. But at the same time, if you're constantly
committing things and there's no carrot and stick approach to anything,
what makes you stop? And so these are all the
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things that are going on, compounded with the fact that
law enforcement and law enforcement has been viewed as an evil.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Correct, the social structure will fall apart. If you don't
have fear and faith guiding you, fear of you know,
the wrath of God. You either have the fear of
the wrath of God or fear of the wrath of
law enforcement. And if you have neither, if you have
a society where you can loot stores, you can turn
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over police cars and burn the American flag in the
street and you know, to create mayhem and there's no
repercussion for that, and you have no then we are
in a free fall social unrest. It will continue and
we will devolve into a society we will become mad Max.
And that is not hyperbole. We are on that path.
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We are on that path. And at the same time
that you've got Blue States saying you know you shouldn't
be armed as a citizen, you shouldn't. Yeah, I'll tell
you more than ever, you should be armed as a
citizen because we are unraveling as a society. So I
think where it starts. The way we get this back
on the track, and the only way we do it
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starts with children. It starts with the school. And frankly,
the best thing that could happen would be for whatever administration,
hopefully this one, to eliminate the Department of Education. People
might be shocked to know that both you and I
got through our primary and secondary educations before the Department
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of Education was actually ever formed in the mid nineteen seventies.
We actually got educated when there was an education no
Department of Education. So eliminate that. Send the money back
to the States to be able to allow parents to
provide the education for their children that they think is right.
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Charter with US, charter schools, faith based schools, private schools.
The public school system is failing and we have got
to start there. We cannot allow children to grow up
unhinged as they are. And then the other elephant in
the room that I feel obligated to address career is
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the huge, the tsunami of psychosocial disorder that we are
seeing in the name of autism and autism spectrum disorder.
These are out of control. When I was growing up
as a child, the incidents of autism was one in
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ten thousand. Right now it's one in thirty two. In
the state of California, it's one in twelve boys. Think
about that. One in twelve boys born at twenty twenty
three in California has been diagnosed with autism. This is terrifying.
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We cannot sustain that as a society to have this
number of people who are not psychosocially well adjusted, may
never be able to live independently, have any level of
different violent or disruptive behaviors. So we really are at
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a tipping point and we've got to get this back
on the rails, or as I said, we're going to
be living mad Max Well.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
And it's so true about autism. I mean, I'm a grandfather,
so I have a grandson that has that. My daughter's
been a rock star in dealing with that and actually
had to push back against her physicians about getting vaccines
a certain amount of vaccines. You know, he had no
problems until he had the big vaccine with the fifteen
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or so all at once and then about three weeks
later is when he started manifesting some of these issues.
So we have you know, RFK Junior, that is, you know,
talked to some about this, but we seem to see
to this day we have some doctors that aren't even
recognizing the increase in autism. I've talked to some before.
They said, well, it's it's a it's a biases because
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we know more about it now. So as a result
the arithmatic numbers have, we just see it more. So
it's not really an increase arithmatically, it's an increase because
of the social contagion of seeing it on the media,
and therefore we're overwhelmed with it. That's the excuse that
I've been given.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Right, which which is pure idiocy, because what they're saying is,
you know, we just are better at diagnosing it now.
You know, we didn't understand so now and if that
were the case, where are all of the autistic fifty
year olds?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Where are they autism?
Speaker 5 (45:06):
How many people your age? How many autistic sixty year
olds do you know? And the answer zero? So that
simply it simply isn't the case. And you know, without
getting too deep in the weeds on the vaccine issue.
I think it is irrefutable that vaccines play a significant
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role in the significant uptick we have seen. If you
look at the trajectory of the incidents of autism and
autism spectrum disorder, it matches entirely the increase in vaccines
that started in nineteen eighty six when they gave blanket
liability immunity to the vaccine manufacturers. When you and I
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were growing up, the number of vaccines you got between
birth and age eighteen was somewhere between six and eight,
depending on what state you lived in. As prior to
a few weeks ago when they made the RFK made
the recent changes, that number had gone from six to
eight to eighty four between birth and age eighteen, eighty
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four vaccines, and that, you know, mirrors exactly the increase
in autism. So you know, clearly it's a multi factorial
issue and there are other causes of it. But to
say that it's not these vaccines when parents over and
over record exactly what you're saying, your daughter did, that
my child was fine, got this shot, and within days
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or weeks, this profound psycho you know, psychological or neurologic
issue was on set I think it is you simply
have to follow the numbers.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah. I have video of he and I interacting and
he was fine, like any other norm laughing, looking looking
at each other, you know, and then all of a
sudden snap, it was changed. Now it's also it's we
have we've over pharmacalized in many ways. Now we don't
look it sometimes natural remedies or what we eat and
(47:03):
what we put in our mouth. I mean, my daughter,
bless her heart, she's done so much research on eating
the right foods or gluten, you know, reducing certain things
that are triggers that help trigger these you know, manifestations
somehow that can kind of calm it. And it's worked
in many of those things. He's not of course, he's
still got the he still autistic, but it's helped him
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by what he eats, what he drinks, when he eats,
what type of food he's having. And we don't talk
enough about that. I mean RFK Junior again, thank goodness
that President Trump put him in charge, because I never
would have thought that we would be talking and the
government would be supportive of some of these things. So
what about us as a country that is just we
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just keep soaking it through with medicines, and no wonder
everybody's addicted to some sort of pharmacological drug.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
I think there's no question, Cray, we have been systematically
poisoning ourselves for decades. And this absolutely dovetails into what
you're talking about with regard to violent behavior, the feral man,
psychological disruption, mental illness.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
We have.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
People are poorly, our nutrition levels are horrible, obesities through
the roof. You know, people are have become addicted to everything,
and food is a great addiction. It is engineered to
be addictive. The big food and Big egg, and big
food and Big Pharma are all tied at the hip.
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They know exactly how to engineer these foods so that
they are addictive and they are nutritionally deficient. So, whether
you agree with everything he says or not, Bobby Kennedy
Junior is absolutely right that one of the quickest things
we can do to decrease the chronic disease burden, including
the mental healthal you know, disease burden, is to get
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back to eating real food. Stop this highly processed food.
There's no reason that children should be drinking, you know,
coke and eating doritos and all of this junk food
that they've grown up on. The school lunch programs in
the United States are an embarrassment. You know, the idea
that they consider catch up on the school lunchbro was
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considered to be a vegetable. I mean really, you know,
it's high fruit toase, scorns, ar up and red dye.
You know, it's it's absolutely horrific. And as I said,
I was not joking when I said forty percent of
adolescents are either diabetic or pre diabetic right now. That
is not sustainable from a healthcare cost perspective. But think
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about the quality of life. We are relegating these kids too.
So you add that to incredible inactivity. Our kids get
very very little activity. PE class was eliminated decades ago,
you know, so what you and I had growing up,
recess means kids sitting now in the hallway playing on
their iPads or their cell phones, uh and exposing themselves
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to this, you know, horrible content that they see. Just
a new study just recently was done showing that toddlers
with excessive screen time, toddlers two and three year olds,
they have MRI evidence that it decreases the amount of
white matter in their brains at two or three. I mean,
we are literally rotting their brains. And that doesn't just
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you know, translate into changes in IQ points in intelligence
and in capability to excel, but it absolutely ties into
mental health and into you know, behavioral issues that we
are seeing acted out in our streets every day.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
I want to change, if you don't mind, because I
have had great love and affinity for my law enforcement
colleagues and officers wellness, and it's become a problem. Like
the military back in my day, when something bad happened,
you had to put your big boy pants on and
go back to work. There wasn't really anything that you
got any kind of treatment as a result. There's a
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lot of you know, we do a lot of bad things.
Drink too much, woman eyes, There's all those kinds of
things that are outlets that occurs that occur, and I
really want to focus on what we can do to
help police officers. One thing, PTSD has occurred. I think
I have it from the Federal Building bombing. Slightly not major,
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and it's not diagnosed that, but there's something that's come
up called operator syndrome or I've done a lot of
research where people who have been engaged, not just anybody
in the military or any law enforcement, but if you've
chosen a career path where you're working undercover. I was
an undercover agent deep cover for many years. I worked homicides,
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was on a tactical team where you have to be
situationally aware all the time and you can't turn it
off when you go home. And there's some like Delta Force,
Navy seals others that are in similar situations. In fact,
I've had it. I had a Navy seal tell me
that law enforcement never gets to turn it off because
at least in the military, if you ended your rotation,
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you could go home and at least you know, have
some comfort there. But we have to work every day.
So are there Have you ever heard of this operator syndrome.
It's something that I it's not really a psychological diagnosis
per se, but it's something that has gotten some research
and it's not quite PTSD, but it's this constantly happen
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to be situationally aware and it's making your motor just
go crazy.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
Correct. Yes, it's very well described. It's really a hyper
vigilance that occurs in people who that they can't turn
it off. You know, the human body, the human mind
was meant to be able to function at high speed light,
you know, like a Porsche, like any other well honed engine,
to go up to you know, fifteen thousand and fifteen hundred,
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you know, RPMs for a period of time. It's not
meant to stay there, you know, a high functioning engine.
You don't rev the engine of a Lamborghini constantly. It
has to do it in spurts. We have become a
society where certain people, certainly the military, people in law enforcement,
trauma people, people who do mask casually end up where
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they develop a hyper vigilance where they are always concerned
where they find themselves in the grocery store, constantly looking
for where are the areas of ingress and egress, you know,
where's the threat coming from, where's it? And that hyper
vigilance it really leads to what we call in medicine
a drenal burnout. You're constantly revving at high cortisol levels,
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your stress hormones are always you know, maxed out, and
so you are really going through the normal rhythms. You know,
we have not only circadium rhythms for sleep, sleep wake cycles,
but you're supposed to have also rhythms for your stress hormones.
They aren't supposed to stay high all the time. Adrenaline
can't always be up here. It leads not only to
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high blood pressure, but you at huge risk for cancer,
for heart attack, stroke. You know Ulcer's disease and truly
can lead to its own form of PTSD because you're
constantly up there at that you know REVD up.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Level well, And I've whenever I talked to law enforcement
on leadership, I try to also include that you've got
to serve. We have forgotten that we're serving something greater
than ourselves, and don't forget mind, spirit, and body. A
lot of times law enforcement will work on the body
and think that staying in good shape or lifting lights
is one thing, but we're not focused on the mind
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or our spirit. And to me, they're three equal stools
or three equal legs on a stool that we have
to have in tac is. We have to stay educated,
we have to stay formed ourselves. We have to be
educated on the truth what we're doing, and happen to
be understand that we're serving something greater than ourselves.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
And what's amazing Creed is that it doesn't need to
take a long time to do it. You don't need
to carve out and go off to an ashram or
a a yoga retreat. You can do it in fifteen
minutes a day of guided imagery, of meditation, of conscientious
turning it off, getting away from the screens, toning it down. Literally,
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fifteen minutes a day can have unbelievable health impacts, not
only in decreasing blood pressure, but there's a meaningful decrease
in cortisol level, meaningful decreases in all of your stress hormones.
And it pays off in spades, not only in how
you reach, act to your family, how you interact with
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your children, how well you sleep, but really how you feel.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
Overall, Doc, you've been awesome. I really enjoy everything. To you,
God bless you. Thanks for your work. Let's follow you
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Victory as your ex handle, highly recommend that you follow
this nice lady and doctor. She's wonderful and very brave.
So thank you very much and my friends. That's it
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for the show. Another episode of America's Criminologist. Don't forget
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We have an outstanding show for you today. But before
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like moral, civic, and intellectual discipline collapses. We do not
simply get disorders. We get what I call the rise
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and increasingly susceptible to mob influences and cultural contagions. Now,
over the past several years, we've witnessed something remarkable and troubling.
Entire populations moved in lockstep under fear. Institutions enforce edeks
without deliberation. Law enforcement was placed in morally precarious positions,
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and many who valued liberty accepted coercion in the name
of safe Today we explore the psychological architecture behind the moment,
mob mentality, mass formation, What happens when fear replaces reason?
My guest, Doctor Kelly Victory brings experience in trauma, medicine,
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and clinical psychology to help us examine how civil societies
can fracture and more importantly, how they can be rebuilt.
Because if we do not understand how order collapses, my friends,
we can't restore it. So let's begin. Doctor Kelly Victory
is a residency train in boarded trauma and emergency specialists
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with over thirty five years of clinical experience. She's an
expert in disaster preparedness and response and the medical management
of mass casualties. She's had an extensive background in public health,
having served as chief medical officer providing healthcare services for
dozens of Fortune five hundred companies, including Continental Airlines, Nissan Automotive,
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as well as federal agencies. Doctor Victory is an alumnus
of the National prepar Preparedness ecuse ME Leadership Initiative, a
combined effort of Harvard School of Public Health and the
Kennedy School of Government to develop meta leaders for national
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disaster preparedness and response. She has worked closely with officials
and Homeland Security, hass FEMA, and multiple branches of the military.
In addition, she has served as a member of the
Leadership Council at the Harvard School of Public Health. For
many years, Doctor Victory advocated tirelessly for a more measured, risk,
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risk stratified approach to COVID nineteen pandemic response. She was
a consistent and vocal proponent of aggressive or early outpatient
treatment for COVID nineteen, as well as a cautious and
informed risk benefit based approach to COVID vaccination. Her focus
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is on empowering patients through education and understanding their full
range of treatment options, as well as risk benefit calculations
for any intervention. Victory also currently serves as the Chief
of Disaster and Emergency Medicine for the Wellness Company, as
well as the chief medical Officer for the Wellness Company's
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Chronic Care Management division. Doctor Victory makes frequent radio and
television appearances. She's been a busy one today, she tells us,
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over chronic care management, or excuse me on disasters, casualty
preparedness and response efforts. She's appeared on Fox News, Newsmax,
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America's Real Voice News Nation, and other important outlets, and
of course my show, you know that's one of the
most important ones of them all. She holds a BS
from Duke University, earned her MD from the University of
North Carolina, and completed her residency in emergency medicine and
trauma at the Carolinas Medical Center. And quite frankly, she
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is a true American patriot who is unafraid and speaks
with truth and reason. Doctor Victory, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much. It's an honor, really a true
honor for you to take time to come on my show.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Thanks so much for having mecur I. I am delighted
to join you.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Well, it's to have someone of your expertise. I wish
we had you know, a week to be able to
go over everything. Maybe someday we can have you back,
but we want to be able to get to this
in segments and kind of break these down into segments
because this is an hour long show, so we have
a little bit of time, but it goes it goes fast. Really, First,
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we want to talk about the psychology the mob. You know,
the COVID era exposed the fragility of civil society under
perceived crisis. Individuals who ordinarily function within moral and civic
reason all of a sudden kind of became stewards of
the government. You know, whatever they wanted to do, they
were perfectly happy to carry out and not worry about
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any of those unintended consequences that it could occur. The phenomenon,
commonly described as mob mentality or mass formation psychosis, demonstrates
just how fear and isolation and centralized narrative control can
override independent moral reasoning. From a clinical psychological standpoint, what
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distinguishes normal crowd behavior into true mob mentality.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
That's a great question, and I certainly did lead much
of what we saw during the pandemic debacle. I think
there are multiple factors at play here. Number one, you
start with fear. Fear is an incredibly powerful motivator. There's
nothing and certainly the powers that be understand that in
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times of fear, and we can get into this, people
do not think clearly or they are not capable frankly
of thought the way we really perceive it. People in
times of great fear are operating from the lowest level
of their brain function, the hind brain. It's where that flight,
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fight or freeze comes from. So you start with that,
start with a component of fear, and we can delve
into how it is that they built that component of fear.
Then you add on the insatiable human need for belonging,
the desire to be part of the group, to not
be shunned, and the powerful nature of shunning and isolation
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that's been used for centuries millennia as a way to
punish people. Think about what we do to our worst criminals.
We put them in solitary confinement. You know, back in
the you know Nathaniel Hawthorne, How did they deal with
the scarlet the one with the scarlet letter? They shunned her.
So take you've got fear, You've got the insatiable desire
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to be part of the crowd and not be disenfranchised
from the crowd, not only from a psychological basis, but
because of a safety being part of the group is
seen generally as safety. There's safety in numbers. Remember you
get taught that as a very very young child, best
not to be isolated. That's what does a coyote doing
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pack of coyotes do, they isolate the weak one and
they kill it. So there's that component, and then there
is the dark side. The third component curry, which I
believe is the dark side of man, which is the
fact that many people that in our most rudimentary, primordial selves,
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will look for an excuse to act in a way
that we otherwise would not give ourselves the ability to act,
to do something, say something, act in a way we
know fundamentally is not moral or quote right, but we
are looking for an excuse to do it. So when
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all three of those things come together in the perfect storm,
which is exactly what happened in COVID, you had the
formation of the mob. You had fear causing people to
go into flock together, and then flocking together the ability
to give each other a pass to behave in ways
that are otherwise considered morally incomprehensible. And the question for me, really,
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as we break it down, is not so much why
did the average person do it? But why did previously
thoughtful people, people who we normally think of as intellectual,
capable of critical thinking, people who are morally on the
high ground. Why did all of those people also at
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this time, I gravitate to the mob.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Are there any factors that really can strengthen an individual
resistance that we have to this kind of mob behavior?
Or how do we prepare you know, when it happens again,
which we talked before before we went live, it's going
to happen again, because pandemics occur in many different forms.
How can we prepare to kind of minimize this mob
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rule behavior?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Well, first of all, I think it begins with understanding
really your own ability to be sucked into the abyss.
I teach a class on leadership in times of crisis.
I firmly believe that leaders can be trained, and part
of the way that we train leaders is to understand
how they how do you personally behave in times of fear?
(11:51):
Start with that whatever the fear is. If you're a
police officer, it might be when you hear the first
shot go across. When if you're a trauma there's like me,
it's when the person comes in with a limb ripped off.
When if you're depending on where you are in your life,
what the thing that induces fear is going to happen?
And understanding what happens primordially to your brain, that you
(12:15):
are initially going to go what I call to your
emotional basement. It happens to all of us. If you
are a fighter pilot and all of a sudden the
hell fire missiles are raining down on you, you are
going to go to that emotional basement. Good leaders, people
who are trained in crisis management, people who will not
get sucked into the mob, who will not fall prey
(12:37):
to the fear, are people who understand, Okay, I'm going
to my emotional basement because of what's going on. But
they are able to look objectively at what's going on
and say, i am not going to act right now
when I'm at this place, at my primordial low in
my reptilian brain, my flight fight or freeze brain. I'm
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going to get myself back to a level where I'm
thinking more clearly, back to a level playing field. That's
why we train fighter pilots to use a checklist. That's
why you know they go through a checklist every single time.
It's why we train doctors go through a check no
matter what else is going on, we go through a
(13:22):
B C airway, breathing circulation. Don't get distracted by everything
else go back to that checklist. You can train people
and in your life to do that is why we
teach parents count to ten before you clock your kid.
Do not act out of that basement mentality. Check yourself.
(13:44):
This could be done in real time. A fighter pilot
does it a matter of seconds, A good surgeon does
it in a matter of seconds, A good you know
you don't. A good police officer does it in a
matter of seconds. Check yourself, understand what's going on, and
do not act in that place of fear. That can
be taught. It also has to do with having I
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think moral, you know, integrity for lack of a better word, curry.
You know, if we go back to the fable that
many of us learn growing up of the emperor has
no clothes. You know, why was that one little boy
the only one willing to say, you know, when all
the adults around him are crooning on about the beauty
(14:27):
of the robes that the emperor is wearing, because they've
been told only people who are idiots, only people who
are unintelligent, only people who are adults, can't see the
beautiful robes that the emperor is wearing. So not wanting
to appear a fool. All the adults said, you know,
went on and on about the beautiful clothes that the
emperor is wearing, and only one little boy, who's willing
(14:52):
to speak the truth, says he's naked. He has no
clothes because that child was not afraid to be called
a fool. So that's integrity, that's you know, emotional moral integrity.
So I think it's a combination of a lot of things,
but it begins with understanding how susceptible you are to
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being sucked in. I have spoken, I mean to thousands
now since the beginning of the pandemic, thousands of my
own colleagues who I approached in the midst of the
crisis and said, you know, I sat next to you
in virology class. Surely you know that face masks do
(15:38):
nothing to stop the spread of a respiratory virus.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
And they would look right at me and just say,
I just I have to I have to follow what
they're saying, Kelly. They couldn't. They just even though they
knew intellectually the right thing, they could not go against
the grain for year of being ostracized, for being isolated.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well, we saw the same thing in law enforcement just
like you saw with some of the physicians is and
we do a lot of training. I mean, law enforcement
by and large does a lot of training, especially the
bigger departments that exist, and there's leadership training that goes
along with it. I myself, I was on a tactical
team for ten years. We trained constantly, We had numerous
(16:26):
missions that we had to go on. I was in
the nineteen ninety three federal building shootout and bombing incident.
In training matters because how your train you respond in
crisis and you follow that training. I mean it's amazing
how you go back to your training and following and
yet doctor victory. When COVID occurred, we had police officers,
(16:48):
not all, but we had some police officers that followed
the edeks of a governor or followed the edechs of
a mayor, especially police chief for instance. You didn't see
as many share us because they're really more constitutional positions
and elected by the people. But we saw police chiefs
(17:09):
sometimes cave to those edechs and do the enforcements without
really the legal background to actually make those enforcements happen.
And we saw public health professionals, I mean people who
are on the government dime as public health leaders in
the in the country, most of them made the mistake
of going all in on this thing.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Well there's another other factor, as they said, this is
multi factorial, another factor. I think that plays a huge
role here, Corey. And you can tell me if you
saw it as much as I did. In law enforcement,
as you take people who are at a relatively low
level of authority, you know, a tsa agent at the airport,
(17:51):
a flight attendant you know on the plane, a nurse,
a public health quote expert, somebody who doesn't actually practice medicine,
but you know, a bureaucrat low level people, and you
give them a little bit of authority, you give them
the ability to okay, and you're laughing because you know
it's true. So the nurses who were empowered to say,
(18:15):
you know, or the flight attendants who were empowered to say,
get that mask over your nose, I all of a
suddenly have right. I have power now that I didn't
have before. And it's intoxicating. I like having this power.
I like the ability to wield my authority over others,
whether you're a teacher, you're in a position in your life,
(18:36):
or all of a sudden overnight as a result of
a microscopic, invisible virus. You have been, you know, anointed
as the power, having power over a lot of other people.
And there's a mentality unfortunately well represented certainly in law enforcement,
(18:57):
certainly well represented in the healthcare field, old and an
education that given a small amount of authority over others,
they will wield that like a cudgel and take great
joy in it. There's a reason why, you know, I
didn't think we'd ever get Anthony Fauci to get off
the podium. I mean he that, you know, he was.
(19:18):
He truly ascended from from a relatively lack luster career
to one of tremendous authority. He really was considered to
be Saint Fauci by much of the world for a
period of time.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Well, speaking of narcissism, yes, it seems like those that
were the most narcissistic, the dark psychological traits have kind
of come to fruition, this machiavelianism, this this way that
they have. It seems like those kinds of people, when
(19:54):
they come to power, are in those positions of detaining
or controlling and they start really standing out. You can
almost read the tea leaves on what kind of behaviors
there have. Has there been any studies on the type
of people who who made some of these major decisions
and what really their backgrounds and what their maybe fundamental
(20:17):
beliefs were, Well.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Many of them, I could tell you. They haven't been
studies on it, but I can tell you that the
vast majority, not surprisingly, had financial incentives, certainly Anthony Fauci
and all the people in our agencies. This is one
of the great scandals is that so many people in
our own federal agencies CDC, FDA, and ih all had
(20:43):
financial interests. The CDC and individuals within the CDC actually
owned parts of patents on the quote vaccines. I mean,
how we could have ever allowed something like that to
happen is true insanity. When you think about the fact
that the United States is one of only two countries
(21:05):
in the world, the other being New Zealand that allows
pharmaceutical advertising on television because those advertising dollars, you can
be sure that nobody in the mainstream media, no talking head,
I don't care if it's on Fox or MSNBC, is
going to say something negative. They are going to say
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what they are told to say by the people who
pay the bills. I had a conversation some years ago
with Roger Ayles, the former CEO of Fox News, who
told me at the time it is probably eight years ago,
that he was interested in getting rid of pharmaceutical advertising
on Fox, but he couldn't because they represented seventy percent
(21:51):
of Fox News's advertising dollars came from pharmaceuticals. So start
with that huge financial piece. Then there's that narcissism piece.
There's that I have been identified I Anthony Founci have
been identified as the world's expert, and everyone's listening to me.
You take somebody like Deborah Brooks, the Scarf Lady. Nobody
(22:15):
had ever heard Deborah Brooks's name before. She was a nothing.
She was an absolute you know, had a very lackluster career,
and all of a sudden, she's on the news every
night saying, you know, speaking quote truths. All of a sudden,
you have all of these, you know, people in every
state public health quote unquote officials whose jobs previously had
(22:38):
just been to review, you know, policies and protocols in
a three ring binder, and all of a sudden, they
are now making policy about whether schools are open whether
people can go to the beach, whether or not we're
going to allow you know, people to go to basketball practice,
and on and on and on. So they all of
a sudden have been elevated to this great position. And
(23:01):
so I think that there are multiple things, but certainly
you cannot overlook the financial component for many of these people.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Well, and in law enforcement, any good detectives going to
we always say follow the money, you know, any time
there's a crime going on, because you have to do that,
whether it's a murder investigation or a theft or whatever
it may be. It's you know, motivation, it's you know,
either going to be sex, money, you know, anxiety, you know,
you know, desire. All those kinds of things are the
(23:31):
first things you try to eliminate when you happen. And
yet good doctors like yourself, there were many that came
out and defended the protocols that actually existed prior to this.
There were protocols to actually deal with these kinds of pandemics.
There was common sense that was being used by many doctors.
(23:55):
There were many police chiefs and many sheriffs who said, no,
I'm not going to force that edict. Even though the
governor says in my county or my cini were not.
Most of them were sheriff's because they had the autonomy
to do so. And I even wrote anytime I saw
those abuses, I wrote about it and had many policy
(24:17):
papers and talked about it all over the media about
the misuses of government forces to do this, like in
Minnesota we had Minnesota. In Minneapolis, I think police officers
were used with National Guard to actually patrol streets in
mass twenty thirty at a time, and they had riot
(24:37):
pellets where they were shooting at people they stood outside.
Those are documented right.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Well, remember they really career successfully implemented the protocol to
start mass formation psychosis. And when you think about that,
this is certainly not the first time in history that's happened.
The concept of mass formation side cosis is that the
powers that be need to identify a foe, you know,
(25:05):
dial it back to you know, the Third Reich, Nazi
Germany back in the forties. The foe was the Jews.
They said, they are responsible for everything bad that's happened
to you, and if we could just get rid of them,
life will be good for you. So they get the
masses to focus on a third foe, and then they
(25:25):
drive behavior to say, if you're with us, if you're
part of our group, certainly you acknowledge that this is
the foe and that everything should be done to defeat
that fae. In the case of COVID, the foe was
a microscopic, invisible virus, and if you were not one
of the people willing to defeat the virus by wearing
(25:49):
the mask, social distancing, you know, the lockdown, all of
the insanity, you know. See, they could have told people
stand on one foot, you know, and clap your head whatever,
and they would have done it because the focus was
we must defeat you know, the foe, which is the virus.
Two weeks to flatten the curve. Remember, we're all going
(26:10):
to get together, all for one, one for all. They
get people to focus on this third thing, this third party,
and then virtue signaling becomes, you know, the lay of
the land that if you aren't wearing the mask, if
you dare to stand closer than six feet, if you
don't keep your child out of school, if you push
back on it at all, you are identified as being
(26:34):
on the other side. You must also be the enemy
you're trying to protect the virus or you're in the
same way that you must be trying to protect the Jews.
You are seeen as and you became just as bad
as the foe. So it was a way of cleaving
the entire population, and you were forced to take a stand.
Which side are you on? Are you on the side
(26:56):
of the virus, Kelly, or are you on the side
of righteousness? You know, are you in the side of
the Jews or are you on the side of righteousness?
And they create that false dichotomy that allows people to say,
I am going to go along with us because I
want to be part of the group. I don't want
to live in fear, and I've been told that if
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I can help to participate in eradicating the foe, whatever
it is, then I will be you know, my life
will be good.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Seems like we have a it seems like we have
kind of a red state blue state phenomenon going on
to different Americas that are occurring. In many red states,
legislatures came together and said they put regulations on public health,
saying you and no longer have the authority that you
used to. There was many many states had public health
(27:47):
where what they said man you had to do, and
legislatures did that. There's many Blue states that didn't correct
it at all. Can you quickly because we got to
go to commercial break, can you kind of is that
the right thing to make sure that the Blue states
also are able to control this better?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
I think absolutely. The idea of taking this out of
the hands of public health, where public health can make
mandates based on an emergency declaration, that's where this all
came down. They said, if there's a declaration of a
public health emergency, then public health quote experts or authorities
can make put these mandates in place without actually passing
(28:26):
a law. That's a very slippery slope, Curry, because what's
the next quote public health crisis, gun violence, climate change, right, right,
So all it would take is the next declaration to
be something that allows then public health authorities to put
into place mandates without passing appropriate legislation. It's a very
(28:50):
slippery slope.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
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the next segment? Sure, all right, very good, folks. We'll
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So Doc I have a theory called feral Man. It
posits that modern criminal arch types increasingly exhibit a convergence
of the dark psychological traits we just talked about those
a little bit earlier, compounded by technological social contagions untreated
mental illness. It's huge. California itself has fifty two percent
(33:02):
of the nation's homeless. I use homeless in quotes because really,
in many ways it's it's not homelessness. It's really transient
criminal transient behavior often that's fueled by drug addiction and
in alcoholism, and again the erosion of faith, family in formation.
(33:23):
If you're if you don't serve something greater for yourself,
you don't have family, you don't have moms and dads
in your life. If you're not formed correctly socially, then
this kind of this kind of feral complex can all occur.
So clinically, what are the difining features of the dark triads?
(33:44):
And do you kind of understand where I'm coming from
with respect to this theory of the advent of feral
man and the change in criminal arc types that we're.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Seeing, Well, I absolutely, I absolutely do. I started at
the very beginning by saying that there is a primordial
portion of man that is deep seated that if left
to his own devices, he will do what feels good.
You know, what is easy? Uh, you know that is
it is? You know, motivation and morality are something that
(34:17):
are taught, are learned. Left to its own devices, you know,
man will do what is easy and is right. Now,
I believe, without any question, isn't even close that what
we refer to as social media. The advent of all
of this everything that you know, includes social media, not
(34:37):
just I'm not just talking about Facebook and Twitter, talking
about access to the internet, everything, the ability for us
to be flooded on a twenty four to seven basis
with dark imagery, dark things, access to everything that is intoxicating,
whether it's food, drugs, pornography, whatever it is, to all
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of the bad. It's as if you take somebody, you
free them from all bounds of decency and throw them
into a candy store of everything they could want, and say,
eat as much as you want, Drink as much as
you want. There's no off switch. Unfortunately, when people do that,
(35:21):
do it over and over again, they become a nesssatized
to the pain and suffering of others. They lose a
sense of empathy. They actually take great joy some you know,
not only physical joy, emotional joy, sexual joy in the
suffering of others and the over indulgence. We have become
(35:43):
an incredibly over indulgent society. You know, I focus as
a physician on the fact that you know, we have
forty percent of adults are either overweight or obese. Forty
percent of adolescents have pre diabetes because of this over indulgence.
You can apply that same thing to our morality, our brains.
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We are over indulgent in everything we have. People lost
their reliance on faith and family. Absolutely, the percentage of
Americans who actually go to church on a regular basis,
who have not only have a nuclear family, but live
in respect of that nuclear family, meaning that they sit
(36:25):
down together for meals without their phones they communicate. Those
things are lost. So we are becoming less and less sophisticated.
The more technology we have, the less sophisticated we become.
Kids are less able to write a sentence with correct
grammar and actual punctuation today by far than they were
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fifty years ago. Children cannot add soprict, They cannot do
basic arithmetic that compared to fifty years ago. They don't
know the niceties of writing a thank you note, how
to address a letter. We are becoming less and less sophisticated,
more and more feral. And it sounds trivial what I'm
talking about, not being able to punctuate a sentence or
(37:11):
address an envelope. But you better believe it's not trivial
when you talk about how you behave in society, whether
or not you believe it is okay to take from
others what is not yours, to behave in ways that
are aggressive to others, to treat your children, to treat
your elders, to treat your animals. See, I am just
a polled at what I see on a daily basis
(37:33):
about the way people are treating animals now compared to
fifty years ago. So do I believe that we have
a new archetype of man, and that man is becoming
more and more feral. Absolutely, and it's being allowed. We
are allowing it in schools. I don't have children. If
I did, I certainly wouldn't send them to a public school.
(37:56):
What I see going on in those hallways is so unhinged.
It is so far from the civil society where I
grew up, where we were uniforms and we stood in line,
and we were respectful of our teachers. And you didn't,
dare you know, get to have something that sent you
to the principal's office or have your parents be called.
(38:17):
It's essentially a mash pit. Now. It's a free for
all in these schools. And Pharah, I think is the
nicest word you could apply to it.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Well, And it kind of goes with your original sin.
I mean that we're all born with that original sin,
and if we don't have that faith, family information to
help keep us in check, then we're going to have problems.
I mean, Saint Augustine wrote about this, you know, many long,
long time ago on the City of God city of Man.
Are we going to be a st Man or were
going to be a city of God? And here are
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the unattended consequences if we choose the city of Man.
So imagine what Saint Augustine would be writing today because
the abuse is that he saw in that time period.
And there's always been social contagions. There were social contagions
back then. You can consider the Salem witch trials social contagions.
There's always social contagions, just like there's going to be
(39:12):
biological contagions that are out there. But the greater question
is how do we or how are we supposed to
exist where we're seeing an increase in this criminal arc
type that is a different type of criminal. It's one
that is more sadistic. It certainly goes into the dark
(39:32):
tech trad territory of the dark psychological traits. And if
you compound that with this problem, we have crime, but
we have no punishment anymore. And again it becomes a
red and blue state issue. There are many red states
where people still go to jail for committing crime where
(39:53):
they haven't decriminalized certain things. Today we have decriminalization that
has a cur on many different crimes and I'm not
saying people should go to jail on every crime that
gets committed. But at the same time, if you're constantly
committing things and there's no carrot and stick approach to anything,
what makes you stop? And so these are all the
(40:15):
things that are going on, compounded with the fact that
law enforcement and law enforcement has been viewed as an evil.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Correct, the social structure will fall apart. If you don't
have fear and faith guiding you, fear of you know,
the wrath of God. You either have the fear of
the wrath of God or fear of the wrath of
law enforcement. And if you have neither, if you have
a society where you can loot stores, you can turn
(40:44):
over police cars and burn the American flag in the
street and you know, to create mayhem and there's no
repercussion for that, and you have no then we are
in a free fall social unrest. It will continue and
we will devolve into a society we will become mad Max.
And that is not hyperbole. We are on that path.
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We are on that path. And at the same time
that you've got Blue States saying you know you shouldn't
be armed as a citizen, you shouldn't. Yeah, I'll tell
you more than ever, you should be armed as a
citizen because we are unraveling as a society. So I
think where it starts. The way we get this back
on the track, and the only way we do it
(41:28):
starts with children. It starts with the school. And frankly,
the best thing that could happen would be for whatever administration,
hopefully this one, to eliminate the Department of Education. People
might be shocked to know that both you and I
got through our primary and secondary educations before the Department
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of Education was actually ever formed in the mid nineteen seventies.
We actually got educated when there was an education no
Department of Education. So eliminate that. Send the money back
to the States to be able to allow parents to
provide the education for their children that they think is right.
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Charter with US, charter schools, faith based schools, private schools.
The public school system is failing and we have got
to start there. We cannot allow children to grow up
unhinged as they are. And then the other elephant in
the room that I feel obligated to address career is
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the huge, the tsunami of psychosocial disorder that we are
seeing in the name of autism and autism spectrum disorder.
These are out of control. When I was growing up
as a child, the incidents of autism was one in
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ten thousand. Right now it's one in thirty two. In
the state of California, it's one in twelve boys. Think
about that. One in twelve boys born at twenty twenty
three in California has been diagnosed with autism. This is terrifying.
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We cannot sustain that as a society to have this
number of people who are not psychosocially well adjusted, may
never be able to live independently, have any level of
different violent or disruptive behaviors. So we really are at
(43:34):
a tipping point and we've got to get this back
on the rails, or as I said, we're going to
be living mad Max Well.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
And it's so true about autism. I mean, I'm a grandfather,
so I have a grandson that has that. My daughter's
been a rock star in dealing with that and actually
had to push back against her physicians about getting vaccines
a certain amount of vaccines. You know, he had no
problems until he had the big vaccine with the fifteen
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or so all at once and then about three weeks
later is when he started manifesting some of these issues.
So we have you know, RFK Junior, that is, you know,
talked to some about this, but we seem to see
to this day we have some doctors that aren't even
recognizing the increase in autism. I've talked to some before.
They said, well, it's it's a it's a biases because
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we know more about it now. So as a result
the arithmatic numbers have, we just see it more. So
it's not really an increase arithmatically, it's an increase because
of the social contagion of seeing it on the media,
and therefore we're overwhelmed with it. That's the excuse that
I've been given.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Right, which which is pure idiocy, because what they're saying is,
you know, we just are better at diagnosing it now.
You know, we didn't understand so now and if that
were the case, where are all of the autistic fifty
year olds?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Where are they autism?
Speaker 5 (45:06):
How many people your age? How many autistic sixty year
olds do you know? And the answer zero? So that
simply it simply isn't the case. And you know, without
getting too deep in the weeds on the vaccine issue.
I think it is irrefutable that vaccines play a significant
(45:26):
role in the significant uptick we have seen. If you
look at the trajectory of the incidents of autism and
autism spectrum disorder, it matches entirely the increase in vaccines
that started in nineteen eighty six when they gave blanket
liability immunity to the vaccine manufacturers. When you and I
(45:46):
were growing up, the number of vaccines you got between
birth and age eighteen was somewhere between six and eight,
depending on what state you lived in. As prior to
a few weeks ago when they made the RFK made
the recent changes, that number had gone from six to
eight to eighty four between birth and age eighteen, eighty
(46:07):
four vaccines, and that, you know, mirrors exactly the increase
in autism. So you know, clearly it's a multi factorial
issue and there are other causes of it. But to
say that it's not these vaccines when parents over and
over record exactly what you're saying, your daughter did, that
my child was fine, got this shot, and within days
(46:30):
or weeks, this profound psycho you know, psychological or neurologic
issue was on set I think it is you simply
have to follow the numbers.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah. I have video of he and I interacting and
he was fine, like any other norm laughing, looking looking
at each other, you know, and then all of a
sudden snap, it was changed. Now it's also it's we
have we've over pharmacalized in many ways. Now we don't
look it sometimes natural remedies or what we eat and
(47:03):
what we put in our mouth. I mean, my daughter,
bless her heart, she's done so much research on eating
the right foods or gluten, you know, reducing certain things
that are triggers that help trigger these you know, manifestations
somehow that can kind of calm it. And it's worked
in many of those things. He's not of course, he's
still got the he still autistic, but it's helped him
(47:27):
by what he eats, what he drinks, when he eats,
what type of food he's having. And we don't talk
enough about that. I mean RFK Junior again, thank goodness
that President Trump put him in charge, because I never
would have thought that we would be talking and the
government would be supportive of some of these things. So
what about us as a country that is just we
(47:50):
just keep soaking it through with medicines, and no wonder
everybody's addicted to some sort of pharmacological drug.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
I think there's no question, Cray, we have been systematically
poisoning ourselves for decades. And this absolutely dovetails into what
you're talking about with regard to violent behavior, the feral man,
psychological disruption, mental illness.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
We have.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
People are poorly, our nutrition levels are horrible, obesities through
the roof. You know, people are have become addicted to everything,
and food is a great addiction. It is engineered to
be addictive. The big food and Big egg, and big
food and Big Pharma are all tied at the hip.
(48:39):
They know exactly how to engineer these foods so that
they are addictive and they are nutritionally deficient. So, whether
you agree with everything he says or not, Bobby Kennedy
Junior is absolutely right that one of the quickest things
we can do to decrease the chronic disease burden, including
the mental healthal you know, disease burden, is to get
(49:02):
back to eating real food. Stop this highly processed food.
There's no reason that children should be drinking, you know,
coke and eating doritos and all of this junk food
that they've grown up on. The school lunch programs in
the United States are an embarrassment. You know, the idea
that they consider catch up on the school lunchbro was
(49:24):
considered to be a vegetable. I mean really, you know,
it's high fruit toase, scorns, ar up and red dye.
You know, it's it's absolutely horrific. And as I said,
I was not joking when I said forty percent of
adolescents are either diabetic or pre diabetic right now. That
is not sustainable from a healthcare cost perspective. But think
(49:47):
about the quality of life. We are relegating these kids too.
So you add that to incredible inactivity. Our kids get
very very little activity. PE class was eliminated decades ago,
you know, so what you and I had growing up,
recess means kids sitting now in the hallway playing on
their iPads or their cell phones, uh and exposing themselves
(50:11):
to this, you know, horrible content that they see. Just
a new study just recently was done showing that toddlers
with excessive screen time, toddlers two and three year olds,
they have MRI evidence that it decreases the amount of
white matter in their brains at two or three. I mean,
we are literally rotting their brains. And that doesn't just
(50:35):
you know, translate into changes in IQ points in intelligence
and in capability to excel, but it absolutely ties into
mental health and into you know, behavioral issues that we
are seeing acted out in our streets every day.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
I want to change, if you don't mind, because I
have had great love and affinity for my law enforcement
colleagues and officers wellness, and it's become a problem. Like
the military back in my day, when something bad happened,
you had to put your big boy pants on and
go back to work. There wasn't really anything that you
got any kind of treatment as a result. There's a
(51:16):
lot of you know, we do a lot of bad things.
Drink too much, woman eyes, There's all those kinds of
things that are outlets that occurs that occur, and I
really want to focus on what we can do to
help police officers. One thing, PTSD has occurred. I think
I have it from the Federal Building bombing. Slightly not major,
(51:40):
and it's not diagnosed that, but there's something that's come
up called operator syndrome or I've done a lot of
research where people who have been engaged, not just anybody
in the military or any law enforcement, but if you've
chosen a career path where you're working undercover. I was
an undercover agent deep cover for many years. I worked homicides,
(52:02):
was on a tactical team where you have to be
situationally aware all the time and you can't turn it
off when you go home. And there's some like Delta Force,
Navy seals others that are in similar situations. In fact,
I've had it. I had a Navy seal tell me
that law enforcement never gets to turn it off because
at least in the military, if you ended your rotation,
(52:24):
you could go home and at least you know, have
some comfort there. But we have to work every day.
So are there Have you ever heard of this operator syndrome.
It's something that I it's not really a psychological diagnosis
per se, but it's something that has gotten some research
and it's not quite PTSD, but it's this constantly happen
(52:47):
to be situationally aware and it's making your motor just
go crazy.
Speaker 5 (52:52):
Correct. Yes, it's very well described. It's really a hyper
vigilance that occurs in people who that they can't turn
it off. You know, the human body, the human mind
was meant to be able to function at high speed light,
you know, like a Porsche, like any other well honed engine,
to go up to you know, fifteen thousand and fifteen hundred,
(53:12):
you know, RPMs for a period of time. It's not
meant to stay there, you know, a high functioning engine.
You don't rev the engine of a Lamborghini constantly. It
has to do it in spurts. We have become a
society where certain people, certainly the military, people in law enforcement,
trauma people, people who do mask casually end up where
(53:34):
they develop a hyper vigilance where they are always concerned
where they find themselves in the grocery store, constantly looking
for where are the areas of ingress and egress, you know,
where's the threat coming from, where's it? And that hyper
vigilance it really leads to what we call in medicine
a drenal burnout. You're constantly revving at high cortisol levels,
(53:54):
your stress hormones are always you know, maxed out, and
so you are really going through the normal rhythms. You know,
we have not only circadium rhythms for sleep, sleep wake cycles,
but you're supposed to have also rhythms for your stress hormones.
They aren't supposed to stay high all the time. Adrenaline
can't always be up here. It leads not only to
(54:17):
high blood pressure, but you at huge risk for cancer,
for heart attack, stroke. You know Ulcer's disease and truly
can lead to its own form of PTSD because you're
constantly up there at that you know REVD up.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Level well, And I've whenever I talked to law enforcement
on leadership, I try to also include that you've got
to serve. We have forgotten that we're serving something greater
than ourselves, and don't forget mind, spirit, and body. A
lot of times law enforcement will work on the body
and think that staying in good shape or lifting lights
is one thing, but we're not focused on the mind
(54:54):
or our spirit. And to me, they're three equal stools
or three equal legs on a stool that we have
to have in tac is. We have to stay educated,
we have to stay formed ourselves. We have to be
educated on the truth what we're doing, and happen to
be understand that we're serving something greater than ourselves.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
And what's amazing Creed is that it doesn't need to
take a long time to do it. You don't need
to carve out and go off to an ashram or
a a yoga retreat. You can do it in fifteen
minutes a day of guided imagery, of meditation, of conscientious
turning it off, getting away from the screens, toning it down. Literally,
(55:42):
fifteen minutes a day can have unbelievable health impacts, not
only in decreasing blood pressure, but there's a meaningful decrease
in cortisol level, meaningful decreases in all of your stress hormones.
And it pays off in spades, not only in how
you reach, act to your family, how you interact with
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your children, how well you sleep, but really how you feel.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
Overall, Doc, you've been awesome. I really enjoy everything. To you,
God bless you. Thanks for your work. Let's follow you
on x right at doctor Kelly Victory at doctor Kelly
Victory as your ex handle, highly recommend that you follow
this nice lady and doctor. She's wonderful and very brave.
So thank you very much and my friends. That's it
(56:26):
for the show. Another episode of America's Criminologist. Don't forget
to view my work on substack at doctor Currymeyers dot
substack dot com. Stay safe and have a great week.
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