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Howdy, how do you welcome to America's Criminologist. Retired major
county sheriff, former special agent state trooper, also spent fifteen
years in the world of academia as a school dean
and professor teaching criminology. This show where we talk about
crime culture and the foundations that's staying a civil society.
It's all about faith, family information. In my book The
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Event a faerial Man, I talked about the importance of faith,
family information in society today because crime doesn't begin in
the streets, it begins with those foundations are weakened. And
as always, you can explore more about my work and
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it's a second chance done right. Okay, Today we turn
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our attention to one of kansas most enduring and troubling disappearances,
the nineteen eighty eight case of seventeen year old Randy Leitch.
Randy left home on an April evening to attend a
pre graduation party in rural Leavenworth County. By early morning,
he was gone. Not only Randy, but the car he
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drove that night disappeared with him. No confirmed witnesses ever
saw him leave, no confirmed trace has ever been recovered.
Cases like this challenge investigators because they set at the
intersection of two very different possibilities, accident or concealment. Was
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it someone who just disappeared? Because they wanted to was
it homicide? Across the country, when a young person disappears
along with their vehicle in a rural environment, the evidence
often points towards water submersion. That's possibility, but in this case,
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unanswered questions about timelines and missing keys and what happened
at the party still leave room for another possibility that
something occurred before Randy ever left tonight. We approach this
case the way investigators do, carefully, methodolically, and with respect
for the truth that someone out there still knows what
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happened today and that brings us to our guests. Retired
Detective Joe Langer served nearly three decades with Leewood, Kansas
Police Department, including twenty seven years in the Investigations Division,
working major criminal cases across the Kansas City Metro area.
He was a longtime member of the Kansas City Metro
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Squad from nineteen eighty five through twenty eleven, supporting multi
jurisdictional investigations involving very serious violent crime. Following his law
enforcement career, Detective Langer served as regional security and manager
for the Sprint Corporation and later as an investigator with
the Cass County Missouri prosecuting Attorney. Continuing his work supporting
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criminal prosecutions. He has received specialized training and Team ADAM
child abduction response and cold case investigations, and most recently
worked with both the Johnson County Sheriff's Office and the
Overland Park Police Department assisting with investigative review and case support.
Detective Langer brings more than thirty years of investigative experience
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to cold case analysis and regional homicide investigations across the
Kansas City metropolitan area. Mark Racuzick began his thirty two
year law enforcement career in nineteen eighty eight with the
Johnson County Kansas Sheriff's Office, which is part of the
Kansas City metro area. That's the department that I once led.
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As a deputy Sheriff. Mark worked in the County Jail
Patrol Fugitive Apprehension Unit. Mark later spent twelve years assigned
to various drug enforcement units and task forces, to include
the Kansas City Dea Task Force from nineteen ninety seven
to two thousand and three, during the peak of the
meth amphetamine epidemic in Kansas City. Mark was promoted to
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sergeant in two thousand and eight and was assigned to patrol.
Mark later promoted a lieutenant twenty thirteen became a watch commander. Ultimately,
Mark was promoted to captain in twenty fourteen and commanded
the Patrol in Fugitive Apprehension divisions. He then transferred to
the Investigations Division in twenty seventeen and was the commander
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of the Detected Division until his retirement in twenty nineteen.
Joe and Mark, welcome to the show. Thanks for your service.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Thank you Curry, Thanks for having us today.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oh it's always a pleasure and good to see too.
Old friends and both people that I admire excellent investigators
on their own but also extremely good people. So thanks,
thanks again for taking the time. It's really important, case Joe,
give listeners a sense of your background working homicide investigations
in what distinguishes cold case work from active investigations.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, I worked my first homicide in nineteen eighty four,
and in nineteen eighty five I became a member of
the Kansas City Metro Squad and that is an organization
or a squad that is made up of close to
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one hundred and fifty detectives metro wide, and you get
specialized training in homicide investigation when you go through their
training to become a member of the Metro Squad. While
in the Metro Squad, I became a Leads officer, which
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was the position where I give out all the investigative
leads to each each team and you try to match
the strengths of the team with the lead you give them.
And there's also Reports officer that takes care of all
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the reports, indexes, everything makes volumes. And then there's the
Press and Media Relations Officer and they do all the
press work and they put the teams together because they're
also personnel. And then there's the Oice Officer in charge
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and position I got to be and all I see
nineteen ninety five until I retired. It was a great,
great concept that was put together by then Chief Clarence Kelly,
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and he had the idea of it's mainly for smaller agencies,
and so if a smaller agency has a murder, they
can call the Metro Squad if they're members, and then
the Personnel officer activates the squad and picks out twenty
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to twenty five to thirty people investigators to come in
the next day and start the investigation. It costs the
host agency only gas and lunch or in dinner if
you work that long. But all the overtime that's gathered
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by the personnel on the squad is paid by their hope,
by their home agency. So it's a it's a big
it's a big deal for the metro area. Plus you
get to know all the other detectives. As a young detective,
I don't know if I was ever young, but as
a new detective, I got to learn and know a
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lots of premier detectives in the Kansas City area.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
That's a great organization. I'm surprised not too many. I mean,
we're one of the few agencies that actually does kind
of metro squad stuff, and a lot of pass throughout
the country doesn't, so it's unique. Mark you work complex
investigations inside Johnson County for years. Again, it's part of
the Kansasity metropolitan area. What keeps investigators engaged with unresolved
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cases cases like Randy Leach after so much time has passed.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
In Randy's case, not unlike many other complex violent crimes.
A lot of times it's a relationship between law enforcement,
the detective and the family.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Not always are those relationships harmonious. Sometimes they can be
difficult to manage. But in Randy's case, I was a
rookie police officer when Randy went missing in nineteen ninety
eight or nineteen eighty eight rather, so I have that
original connection. I had followed the case, and even as
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a young patrol officer and later as a narcotics detective,
I had received tips and leads on Randy's disappearance which
I submitted through our investigative channels, which were forwarded to
the Levelworth County Sheriff's office. So that's my connection to
the case personally. And then with Andy's mother, ALBERTA. Leech,
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is a relationship that that Joe and I have developed
with Elbert as well well.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I think it's interesting to note that both of you
have dedicated time, talent, and treasure to this case specifically
because of its uniqueness, and I compliment you both. You know,
close cases are so important to keep open as long
as you can, and you guys have you know, through
your retirement years even it's stayed focused on this and
working on it. What is this is a question for
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both of you. What makes this case so different and
interesting to capture? Why? You've dedicated so much time.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Joe start with that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Sure, Well, it's uh. The family has brought what has
always brought me to this case. I think they needed
support and help, uh, and we were able to at
least help help as much as we could and support
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them in trying to find out what happened with Randy
and also who did it, if any. So it's it's
and the fact that it started back in nineteen eighty eight.
I originally was asked as a detective with Lee. Would
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coworker on the Metro squad asked me if I would
help him in assisting.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
The leeches right back in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He felt that they needed some help with investigating it,
and I helped. I told him i'd help. My boss
said I could, and so I went out. We met
with mister and missus Lee, and we did some investigative
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work and I was called In fact, I was called
out by Leavenworth Sheriff's Office to go to a crime scene.
They thought they may have found Randy in his car
in a cave. They had information, they didn't actually see anything,
but they wanted me to come out. When I got
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out there with my partner and chief the police in
the local town here, they said that we weren't needed
and they had us leave. So after that, I kind
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of it just kind of I just kind of gradually
distanced myself. I was still a fairly new to and
I didn't want someone to think that I was trying
to take over their investigation and complaint against me, because
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I think they might have had I continued, and my
partner from the Metro Squad he was getting ready to retire, so.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
That's where that went.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And then I worked cold cases after I retired. With
the Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Mark was the captain in
charge of investigations and he developed or put together a
cold case squad, and he called me and asked if
I would be interested in volunteering as a civilian.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Consultant like.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
To the squad and go through case files with two
other retired detectives. One was a real good friend and
another partner of mine on the Metro Squad with Kansas City,
and the other guy was a very good detective and
a retired major from the Johnson County Sheriff's Office. And
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I started working cold cases and then over the Park
asked me to work some with them, Mark well Curry.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Going back to twenty nineteen, soon after I retired, I
happened to see a piece on social media about Randy's case,
and seeing that prompted me to reach out to Alberta
Leach in the family. And as recent as two thousand
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and six, we ran a narcotics case on an individual,
a local drug dealer, career criminal that had always been
a person of interest in Randy's disappearance. So we had
a rock solid case on that individual. He was potentially
going to prison for the rest of his life, and
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I was going to make a run at him and
interview him regarding his knowledge.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Of Randy's disappearance.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Shortly before that interview, I'd been in touch with Special
Agent Tim Denis with the KBI, and Tim had worked
Randy's disappearance for many years, did a lot of good
work on the case. Tim explained to me at that
time that that individual, that drug dealer, had already been eliminated.
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That Hayden was actually in custody. He was in our
Johnson County jail the night that Randy disappeared. But anyway,
I reached out to Alberta and the family and I
just offered my help, and originally what I wanted to
accomplish was basically be a liaison with between Alberta and
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the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office. Like Joe mentioned, I had
success with developing a cold case squad at the Johnson
County Sheriff's Office when I came to the investigation of
Burero twenty seventeen. At that time, we had nine cold
cases on our books, Eight were murders and one was
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a cold case missing person, very similar to Randy's case. So,
like Joe mentioned, we developed this unique cold case squad
and I'll just tell you ultimately, although both the rest
occurred after I retired in twenty nineteen, that group was
able to clear two of those cold cases by rest.
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One of them has gone through the court system and
resulted in a criminal conviction. The other is still pending trial.
So my plan was is motivate the Leavenworth County Sheriff's
Office present a cold case model. Offered to assist because
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my position was law enforcements in the best position to
conduct the investigation. Self admit I'm spoiled. I'm accustomed to
working with a large staff crime analysts detectives, and Joe
and I just don't have those resources at hand. So
I recruited Joe to come give me a hand because
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Joe and I had worked together for many years. We
did get a meeting with the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office,
the sheriff, the executive, and the command staff, and we
pitched the idea of a cold case model we volunteered
to assist and coury. I'll just tell you in part,
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they were hesitant about Joe and I being too close
to Alberta and the family, and Joe and I offered,
that's okay, we'll still help you set this up. Stand
it up, help you recruit personnel, and I'll just at
the close of the meeting, the Sheriff's office indicated they
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would consider the request. Ultimately, that meeting was in twenty
twenty two, and it just hasn't come to fruition. So
Joe and I continue to work on this case with
the resources that we've got available to us.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, and it's also a cold case officially with the
Kansas fuer of Investigation. I want to make sure and
point that out. And you mentioned Special Agent dentis an
excellent homicide investigator for many years as well. He's since retired.
So there were some very very competent people that were
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trying to assist Leavenworth County as as much as possible
when it came to this case. Joe, from an investigative standpoint,
what does it usually suggest when both a person and
their vehicle disappear together with absolutely no trace.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, you know, there's a few possibilities, one being maybe
he got a wreck, drove off the road into the river,
because that party wasn't far from the Kansas River that
empties into the Missouri River. And there was also another
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smaller creek called Stranger Creek that was close by. The
party wasn't that far away from that location. That's a
possibility simply because they've never recovered the car.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Now they have dragged.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That area where if Randy would have driven home, he
would have went over a one lane bridge.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
But the bridge was I.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I thought it would be like just a wooden bridge
with barely a single lane and some two by fours
where the tires go, But it was a fairly large,
had a structure, metal structure. I think if he would
have I mean, I don't know how he could have
driven off that bridge because it would or without damaging
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the bridge, because that would have.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Showed up right away.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But a few years later it was dragged and they
found a stolen car there, but it wasn't the Leech car.
So and who knows, you know, you're always every once
in a while you see on the news where somebody's
been missing for twenty years and they dragged a car
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out of a pond or a river or a lake,
and so that that's a possibility. There's another possibility where
in this area they had three murders that occurred and
never found the bodies of two, right you two two
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of two of the individuals. They convicted two people in
regards to these murders, and what they did was they
killed the people and then they stuffed their bodies into
a fifty five gallon drum through it in the river
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and the Missouri River or the Kansas River and shot
them the barrel full of holes. And it's saying and
that current, I mean, who knows where they never recovered
the bodies or the barrels that they were in. So
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you don't know if something like that may have happened.
Or there's lots of ponds in this area. Now they
have searched many ponds. They've also searched Stranger Creek. They've
also searched the uh the Kansas River without finding the
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car or Randy. There is a spot right by where
that bridge that goes over the Stranger Creek. There's a
next to it, there's a railroad trestle that goes by. Now,
if you Tim Dennis check this out, and he said,
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if right underneath that bridge, there's a deep area, so
if the river goes down and the river wasn't real
high in April of nineteen eighty eight, it was kind.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Of a drought.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We checked with the I can't think of the name
of the National Forestry or whatever, and they said the
river was down, but it wasn't completely down. But if
the river's down, it still keeps level, and that deep
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area right next to the bridge would still be real
deep with water. It wouldn't go down like it would
where there isn't that deep cave kind of kind of indention.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Or whatever at the bottom of the river. So Tim's.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Detective Dennis's theory was that it could have went down
in there, and then with the floods we had, we
had big floods in the early nineties and after that,
it could have easily washed the car into the Kansas River.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
So that's another theory. There's also a theory where.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
A person he got crossways with some narcotics traffickers in
this area and they may have put something in his
drink to cause him to become unaware of what was
going on and barely walked, which he was. That happened
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to him at the party and somebody did something with
him when he was basically inebriated and didn't know, couldn't
defend himself.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, and there was numerous witnesses that said he was offered,
appeared to be under the influence of something in that
right mark that. There was quite a few people who
responded and said he wasn't. He was definitely off and
seemed to be high on something, and he wasn't a
known drug user. By the way, the riff apparently occurred
because of a girl. I think if memory sirs.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yes, and occurring. When you consider the number of witnesses
that have described Randy at the party, Joe and I
pretty much consider it a known that he was intoxicated
and impaired. Obviously, we believe he was impaired by alcohol
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and probably a combination of alcohol and marijuana.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Now, real gatherings like this created a very different and
difficult investigative environment with compared to urban scenes. In about
thirty seconds or so, what challenges does that create when
reconstructing events years later.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Well, obviously run a rural, remote setting. I would describe
this gathering as in Kansas, we would call it an
outdoor kegger. I guess on the West coast you would
call it maybe an outdoor house party with a bonfire.
And it's a mystery. Obviously Randy was present at the party,
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he was intoxicated, he was impaired the early morning hours
one thirty two am. There are witnesses that describe him
being present and a group of his friends were trying
to arrange how to get Randy.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
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Joe Langer and Mark Rakusick on the Randy Leech cold
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case that started the night of the disappearance of Randy
in nineteen eighty eight. Joe Rock, welcome back, Thank you
all right. And Rock's a nickname for Mark, by the way,
I've called him forever. So, so, one thing that came
up you mentioned in the car potentially in a cave.
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There was some information about potential Satanic ritual behavior. There
was in the late eighties. There was some social contagions
going on about Satanic rituals and there were some people
who were practicing that for a bit that was kind
of making the rounds that he became a victim to
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satanic rituals. Has that been put to sleep?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Joe? You want to address that or.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Coming back on it?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, you know, I remember back in nineteen eighty eight
there was a lot of worries around about satanic activity.
I'm sure there was some I could I never came
across it. In fact, the day that Leavenworth called to
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go up there, uh, we had a seminar regarding a
guy from it, either South Carolina or North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Paul Banner, who was an expert.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
At satanic crime scenes, and he was there in the
office and he came with me also.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Now they may have called.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Because I had been investigating satanic cults or crimes during
that time frame, but m hm.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Apparently they thought they didn't need us when we got
there and we were.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Asked lea, which we did do so, but.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
It was it was a big.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I don't I don't want, I don't want to downplay
any satanic stuff that it is there, but I just
and there have been I've talked to very excellent detectives
that have uncovered calls and they can be dangerous, but
so far.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
We haven't been able to prove anything like that in
this case.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You agree, yeah, I agree, Joe and Curry you mentioned it.
I mean, the nineteen eighties were a unique time, and
I go back to that McMartin preschool case in La County,
and Randy's disappearance was kind of on the heels of that,
and it's been described i'll just use the term satanic
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panic and myself thirty two years law enforcement, I've just
never investigated any crime whatsoever as a first responder detective
and arconics detective that had any length to any satanic
cult activity. What we're seeing right now in Randy's disappearance,
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we're just not seeing any credible information of that. But
I will tell you that law enforcement dedicated a lot
of resources looking at the satanic cult angle, and I
think a lot of that was prompted by the community
and the public flooding law enforcement with tips and calls
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that they needed to look at this satanic cult angle.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Now, as a professor, I was interested in this case
and I actually asked you both to come to my
class to present, and we did some kind of research
on our own, open, open source research that the students
participated in during that it was a criminal investigations course,
and I thought it would be a good outcomes based
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learning exercise to kind of go through the processes. We
did some probabilities that occurred in the vvehical submersion story
was reaching like fifty to sixty percent, and the party
of origin foul play was you know, thirty to forty percent.
So it's certainly you know, those percentages aren't high enough
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to say positively one way or the other. I mean,
it could be certainly either one of those. The non
party homicide was around five to ten percent, and of
course the voluntary disappearance. It's just there is nothing that
ever has come up with Randy ever being located, the
cars never been located, never been run on a tag,
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any of that kind of stuff. So people have to
understand that if he if he disappeared on his own,
it's extraordinary because no one's ever heard from him again.
And he had no mental issues, no problems, he had
a job. He just was given an older tractor, an
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old tractor that was that he had been repaired. He
was a Mustang was given to him for his birthday
that was in the shop actually being worked on him,
And the day of the party he stopped by the
shop to see how it was going. So there was
no indicators at all that he wanted to take his
own life where he wanted to leave, right, correct.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
And you know, obviously law enforcement had to look at that.
But Curry, I agree. I mean, Rainy by all accounts,
was a well adjusted young man. There's outward there's no
indication of depression, anxiety, any red flags, or any self
harm whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, Also he wasn't I mean, he didn't drink really.
What he did do at a party like this, he
would have a can of beer or a glass of
beer and walk around with it kind of blend in.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
And didn't really drink.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And he did not do any type of drugs that
most of the people have said so, and everybody liked
them there, I mean, we haven't come across anybody that
really disliked them, so, uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's kind of the epitome of a big old farm kid,
you know, big old farm k.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
That's a good description. And Joe, Joe mentioned that everybody
liked Randy. And when when you start looking at at
foul play, you have to ask the question, why would
anybody have a motive horror Randy or foul play? I mean,
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that always comes up. What would be a motive.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
The interesting part about the the the waterway incident, we
did have the US Army Corvette engineers. I actually asked
them specific to send to send me information and data
for both Stranger Creek and Kansas the Kansas River during
those time periods. And Joe, you're absolutely right it was
a drought at that time. But Kansas rivers and waterways
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are sediment lated. I mean they're very sediment there's very
muddy even under droughts. The mud continues also needs a
little bit of water, and you know, during that time period,
so when you look at it, potentially a narrow The
bridge was a brand new bridge. In fact, it was
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in the movie Kansas and featured in the movie Kansas,
which is it's not that good of a movie, but
it was a movie that that occurred. And I say
that because I was in it as an extra, but
back in my state trooper days. But anyway, the plausibility
of him taking a wrong turn prior to the bit bridge,
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or taking that a buttonment that you mentioned, or the
railroad trestle that you mentioned, especially if you're under the influence,
may very well be one of those issues that occurred,
and if you go into the sediment, especially in that
deep part, Joe, that you were referring to, the data
showed from the US Army Corps of Engineers that that
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that in about three days that vehicle would would would
immediately start to turn sync and settle, and that it's
possible with the sediment that is so active in that
area that within three days this and it's a small
CA car that is not heavy at all. If I
remember the old K cars from Chrysler back in those days,
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that it could potentially be partially covered, if not fully covered,
in three to four days.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
That that's true. But the thing with this is that
the word got out the next morning that Randy was missing.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
He didn't come home, and.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
There was a guy that lived across the street from
where the party was. There was a pilot and he
got in his plane and flew all over the area where, uh,
where Stranger Creek was. And I with the water being low,
and I agree that it could sink over a period
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of two or three days to where it's not visible.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
But I think with all the people the kids from
the school were looking, people were looking all over for them.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Relatives mom and Dad. I mean it was and they knew,
they knew the location, they knew the way that they
would travel.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, and I just think it's possible. But I'm you know,
anything's possible right now, I mean it's probable because we
never have found the car.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah. Now, Now, cadever dogs were used right mark, and
they saw they found an endpoint. I think it was
along the Kansas River. That was a cove that may
have if memory serves, there was a cove that was
kind of considered a party cove in that area right
off the Kansas River, and there were cadaver dogs a
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few years later that actually hit in that area that
where a car could have possibly driven off because it
was a low slope. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Correct? And my recollection. Obviously there was no discovery obviously
the vehicle or Randy in that location. But yes, a
cadaver dog in a couple different areas has indicated to
the possibility of human remains.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Okay, now let's look at the the Joe, did you
have something to do? Okay, so let's look at the
at the at the two, at the theory two, which
is the party origin event. Uh, it's it's not much
of a crime scene. There wasn't really a crime scene
going back and worked. Even though it was a disappearance,
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they didn't know. Investigators didn't know it was a homicide, certainly,
but there wasn't There was some witness interviews, but there
wasn't much in terms of actually searching property. Is that
correct or of my wrong misunderstanding?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
That's that's correct, Curry. I mean, obviously, early on investigators
there was no probable cause of a crime upon which
to apply for a search warrant. Potentially the only crime
known were probable calls existed may have been social hosting.
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The family that hosted there was probably probable cause that
they supplied alcoholic beverages to the underage teenagers. There was
a consensual search of the property at some point by
the Leveloorth Countshires's office, but no search warrant was ever
executed on the property.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
And there was there were interviews conducted to people on
the scene. Did they were they able to ascertain everybody
and be able to interview everybody that was there at
the party.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I don't believe everybody that was at the party has
been interviewed. I mean they tried, and you had people
from Lynnwood, which is a small high school. I believe
there was thirty six kids in the graduating class that
were there, but the other kids from the school were
there too. But then you had kids come up because
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the host of the party was originally from Kansas City,
Kansas and had one year The daughter had one year
at Lynnwood, so she still had lots of friends in Casey,
k or in Kansay, Kansas. And there were kids from
Kansas City, Kansas also that were at the party. And
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you know how party gets certain if somebody hears about
a party, it goes to the next person, the next person,
and pretty soon, even in a small party environment, you've
got a bunch of kids coming that nobody even knows because.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
They heard about the party.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
So the other strange thing about the party was mister
and missus Leech got to the hot party house by
what time seven, and it was all cleaned up. There
was nothing. There was no trash laying around from where
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the bonfire was, or no beer cans, there was no litter,
There was nothing to indicate that the party was ever
even there, which I think.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
I don't. I think that's strange.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, people waking up early and to clean up something
when they could have done it, I would have.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
They had to get up about five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
If there were that many people at the party running
around drinking and whatever, there would be a lot, there
would be a big mess.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So the possibility exists that he was giving something. Since
he wasn't a big drinker, I mean, he could have
changed that night, but the laws of probability suggested that
he would have maintained his the way he drank alcohol,
which was seldom and not very often. If someone spiked
his his punch or whatever it may be, and it
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got to the point where he overdosed as a result,
then there could have been panic that could occurred with
people at the party, not necessarily meaning to kill him,
but that is certainly a possibility, right, And then as
a result of the panic, then you start cleaning up,
you start, you know, and maybe disposed of the body,
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right to include the car. That's that's basically the theory.
And then the car could have been driven to the
Kansas River and you know, taken into the river.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Right, that's correct. I mean, there's just so many different possibilities.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Or if he did get crossways with a narcotics trafficker,
and they had somebody put something in his drink and
then they drove them away. You know that's possibility too,
when the party was gone or just before it's shut down,
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we'll give him a ride or and then he's just gone.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Now before we end, we still have a few minutes.
But I want to make sure that people are cognizant
of the website. They have a Facebook site that people
can go to if they have information about this case
or want to research it further, Mark, can you give
that website out?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
I'm going to refer everybody to Randy's Facebook page, which
is maintained by Alberta Leach's family friend Betty Wilson in
Search of Randy Leach. In Search of Randy Leach. If
you go to social media, specifically Facebook, that Facebook page
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can't receive chips and leads and information, and you can
also reach out and ask to speak or contact Joe
and I as well through that Facebook page.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
So modern technology now we have things like light ar,
modern sonar that's completely different than what was around in
nineteen eighty eight. What's the next steps or what can
be done by using the advent of technology to try
to find more about anything that may have come into
the river.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Well, one piece of technology that we're working with. We
have an individual that has volunteered his services, and his
technology is a camera affixed to a drone and through
a polarization filter and adjusting lighting and contrast, can peer
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through the water. So without dragging and divers the drone
can hover and see into the depths of the water.
So this individual has pretty much the entire surrounding area
and the waterways mapped out, and as time permits, is
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conducting those searches. And that was problematic as Joe and
I are going through this, we're asking was this body
of water ever searched? And sometimes we would get an answer,
Sure it was searched, but it wasn't written down or
wasn't documented. So one thing we're doing right now is
documenting those searches.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, and what and what does search mean? I mean
looking out over the river and seeing if something might
be submerged or not. That's totally different than taking boats
out and.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
You know whatever. They have done that.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Also, so we're in the so he is actually this
person is actually starting that process and has done some
and is continuing to do this work.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yes, and there's also another group that's done underwater searches
as well. That group is Adventures with Purpose. Their technology
is a little bit different. They're on the water with
their technology and their search areas have been.
Speaker 5 (50:49):
Documented as well.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
We also have access to ground penetrating radar. Man that
owns that has a business in that has said that
he would come out anytime we need him.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
He would come out and try the ground penetrating radar
to see if there's anything below the ground.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Is that going to be tried like this summer then
or do you have to wait and see this other
guy's work to maybe pinpoint a location better.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
As far as the ground penetrating radar right, correct, We
we'd have to have a pretty pinpoint for him to go,
and we haven't. We thought we had one, but there
was the landowner had told us that he had placed
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a old truck in this ravine to stop the flooding,
and that had been and then the information was like
twelve fifteen years old.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, and there was a lot of farmers that will
dump stuff into you know, used to be where they
would to help stop erosion onto the front farm land.
So that's not really an uncommon thing. So Mark after
reviewing what's known about this case. What really stands out
to you is the biggest unanswered questions, Well.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Curry, Early on, I wanted to review the interviews from
the witnesses at the party, basically the statements they provided
in nineteen eighty eight, follow up statements Kati and Levemore
County Shares Office took a second look at two thousand
and two. I wanted to look at those statements and
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reinterview those witnesses and compare their statements. Joe and I
are still working on that. We've got what we believe
are some pretty credible statements about what occurred in the
early morning hours between one point thirty and two AM.
And going back to statements Joe and I are had
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a disadvantage. We don't have access to the entire investigative
case file. What we have access to we call it
the fifteen ninety five. In nineteen ninety three, a Levemoth
County Sharf's Office detective released basically the first five years
of the case file to a private investigator and the family,
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So we have access to that. So when Joe and
I reference we've reviewed this report, we're reviewing it from
that case file that was released by that detective in
nineteen ninety three, So.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's not been released by the agency.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
No. No, that was an unofficial act, unauthorized release of
that case file.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
And that would include the KI. The KBI has not
been given the files from the agency.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
No.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
From what Joe and I have, there are no KBI
reports included with it. It is Levemworth County Sheriff's Office
reports in case right up until July nineteen ninety three,
from eighty eight to July of nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
So this is for both of you. If someone's listening,
if someone's listening tonight that may have some small information.
How important is this to be able to share with
with with this in search of Randy Leach dot com.
Speaker 5 (54:27):
Very important?
Speaker 4 (54:29):
I think, yeah, there could be somebody out there, and
it's the classic. Well I didn't call the police because
I thought the police already knew that, or I thought
they would have known that. So we're looking obviously for
that person that may know something even though they don't
think it's important, you know, reach out to the Facebook
page the Levenmoth County Sheriff's Office. I'm going to put
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their number out nine one three six eight two fifty
seven twenty four, nine to one three six eight, two
fifty seven twenty four and the KBI one eight hundred
Kansas Crime one eight hundred Kansas Crime if you have
any information on Randy's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Joe and Mark, thanks for coming on the show, and
thanks for your service, and thanks for continuing to serve
even after your retirement. Remember it's in search of Randy
Leach dot com. In search of Randy Leach dot com
and friends. It's always an honor to have you participate.
If you know anything, please feel free to say something.
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And Joe and Mark, thanks again for coming on the show.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (55:37):
Thanks for having us curry all right.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Folks, stay safe. We'll see you next week.
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Howdy, how do you welcome to America's Criminologist. Retired major
county sheriff, former special agent state trooper, also spent fifteen
years in the world of academia as a school dean
and professor teaching criminology. This show where we talk about
crime culture and the foundations that's staying a civil society.
It's all about faith, family information. In my book The
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Event a faerial Man, I talked about the importance of faith,
family information in society today because crime doesn't begin in
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it's a second chance done right. Okay, Today we turn
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our attention to one of kansas most enduring and troubling disappearances,
the nineteen eighty eight case of seventeen year old Randy Leitch.
Randy left home on an April evening to attend a
pre graduation party in rural Leavenworth County. By early morning,
he was gone. Not only Randy, but the car he
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drove that night disappeared with him. No confirmed witnesses ever
saw him leave, no confirmed trace has ever been recovered.
Cases like this challenge investigators because they set at the
intersection of two very different possibilities, accident or concealment. Was
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it someone who just disappeared? Because they wanted to was
it homicide? Across the country, when a young person disappears
along with their vehicle in a rural environment, the evidence
often points towards water submersion. That's possibility, but in this case,
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unanswered questions about timelines and missing keys and what happened
at the party still leave room for another possibility that
something occurred before Randy ever left tonight. We approach this
case the way investigators do, carefully, methodolically, and with respect
for the truth that someone out there still knows what
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happened today and that brings us to our guests. Retired
Detective Joe Langer served nearly three decades with Leewood, Kansas
Police Department, including twenty seven years in the Investigations Division,
working major criminal cases across the Kansas City Metro area.
He was a longtime member of the Kansas City Metro
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Squad from nineteen eighty five through twenty eleven, supporting multi
jurisdictional investigations involving very serious violent crime. Following his law
enforcement career, Detective Langer served as regional security and manager
for the Sprint Corporation and later as an investigator with
the Cass County Missouri prosecuting Attorney. Continuing his work supporting
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criminal prosecutions. He has received specialized training and Team ADAM
child abduction response and cold case investigations, and most recently
worked with both the Johnson County Sheriff's Office and the
Overland Park Police Department assisting with investigative review and case support.
Detective Langer brings more than thirty years of investigative experience
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to cold case analysis and regional homicide investigations across the
Kansas City metropolitan area. Mark Racuzick began his thirty two
year law enforcement career in nineteen eighty eight with the
Johnson County Kansas Sheriff's Office, which is part of the
Kansas City metro area. That's the department that I once led.
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As a deputy Sheriff. Mark worked in the County Jail
Patrol Fugitive Apprehension Unit. Mark later spent twelve years assigned
to various drug enforcement units and task forces, to include
the Kansas City Dea Task Force from nineteen ninety seven
to two thousand and three, during the peak of the
meth amphetamine epidemic in Kansas City. Mark was promoted to
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sergeant in two thousand and eight and was assigned to patrol.
Mark later promoted a lieutenant twenty thirteen became a watch commander. Ultimately,
Mark was promoted to captain in twenty fourteen and commanded
the Patrol in Fugitive Apprehension divisions. He then transferred to
the Investigations Division in twenty seventeen and was the commander
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of the Detected Division until his retirement in twenty nineteen.
Joe and Mark, welcome to the show. Thanks for your service.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Thank you Curry, Thanks for having us today.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oh it's always a pleasure and good to see too.
Old friends and both people that I admire excellent investigators
on their own but also extremely good people. So thanks,
thanks again for taking the time. It's really important, case Joe,
give listeners a sense of your background working homicide investigations
in what distinguishes cold case work from active investigations.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, I worked my first homicide in nineteen eighty four,
and in nineteen eighty five I became a member of
the Kansas City Metro Squad and that is an organization
or a squad that is made up of close to
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one hundred and fifty detectives metro wide, and you get
specialized training in homicide investigation when you go through their
training to become a member of the Metro Squad. While
in the Metro Squad, I became a Leads officer, which
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was the position where I give out all the investigative
leads to each each team and you try to match
the strengths of the team with the lead you give them.
And there's also Reports officer that takes care of all
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the reports, indexes, everything makes volumes. And then there's the
Press and Media Relations Officer and they do all the
press work and they put the teams together because they're
also personnel. And then there's the Oice Officer in charge
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and position I got to be and all I see
nineteen ninety five until I retired. It was a great,
great concept that was put together by then Chief Clarence Kelly,
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and he had the idea of it's mainly for smaller agencies,
and so if a smaller agency has a murder, they
can call the Metro Squad if they're members, and then
the Personnel officer activates the squad and picks out twenty
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to twenty five to thirty people investigators to come in
the next day and start the investigation. It costs the
host agency only gas and lunch or in dinner if
you work that long. But all the overtime that's gathered
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by the personnel on the squad is paid by their hope,
by their home agency. So it's a it's a big
it's a big deal for the metro area. Plus you
get to know all the other detectives. As a young detective,
I don't know if I was ever young, but as
a new detective, I got to learn and know a
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lots of premier detectives in the Kansas City area.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
That's a great organization. I'm surprised not too many. I mean,
we're one of the few agencies that actually does kind
of metro squad stuff, and a lot of pass throughout
the country doesn't, so it's unique. Mark you work complex
investigations inside Johnson County for years. Again, it's part of
the Kansasity metropolitan area. What keeps investigators engaged with unresolved
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cases cases like Randy Leach after so much time has passed.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
In Randy's case, not unlike many other complex violent crimes.
A lot of times it's a relationship between law enforcement,
the detective and the family.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Not always are those relationships harmonious. Sometimes they can be
difficult to manage. But in Randy's case, I was a
rookie police officer when Randy went missing in nineteen ninety
eight or nineteen eighty eight rather, so I have that
original connection. I had followed the case, and even as
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a young patrol officer and later as a narcotics detective,
I had received tips and leads on Randy's disappearance which
I submitted through our investigative channels, which were forwarded to
the Levelworth County Sheriff's office. So that's my connection to
the case personally. And then with Andy's mother, ALBERTA. Leech,
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is a relationship that that Joe and I have developed
with Elbert as well well.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I think it's interesting to note that both of you
have dedicated time, talent, and treasure to this case specifically
because of its uniqueness, and I compliment you both. You know,
close cases are so important to keep open as long
as you can, and you guys have you know, through
your retirement years even it's stayed focused on this and
working on it. What is this is a question for
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both of you. What makes this case so different and
interesting to capture? Why? You've dedicated so much time.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Joe start with that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Sure, Well, it's uh. The family has brought what has
always brought me to this case. I think they needed
support and help, uh, and we were able to at
least help help as much as we could and support
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them in trying to find out what happened with Randy
and also who did it, if any. So it's it's
and the fact that it started back in nineteen eighty eight.
I originally was asked as a detective with Lee. Would
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coworker on the Metro squad asked me if I would
help him in assisting.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
The leeches right back in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He felt that they needed some help with investigating it,
and I helped. I told him i'd help. My boss
said I could, and so I went out. We met
with mister and missus Lee, and we did some investigative
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work and I was called In fact, I was called
out by Leavenworth Sheriff's Office to go to a crime scene.
They thought they may have found Randy in his car
in a cave. They had information, they didn't actually see anything,
but they wanted me to come out. When I got
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out there with my partner and chief the police in
the local town here, they said that we weren't needed
and they had us leave. So after that, I kind
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of it just kind of I just kind of gradually
distanced myself. I was still a fairly new to and
I didn't want someone to think that I was trying
to take over their investigation and complaint against me, because
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I think they might have had I continued, and my
partner from the Metro Squad he was getting ready to retire, so.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
That's where that went.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And then I worked cold cases after I retired. With
the Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Mark was the captain in
charge of investigations and he developed or put together a
cold case squad, and he called me and asked if
I would be interested in volunteering as a civilian.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Consultant like.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
To the squad and go through case files with two
other retired detectives. One was a real good friend and
another partner of mine on the Metro Squad with Kansas City,
and the other guy was a very good detective and
a retired major from the Johnson County Sheriff's Office. And
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I started working cold cases and then over the Park
asked me to work some with them, Mark well Curry.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Going back to twenty nineteen, soon after I retired, I
happened to see a piece on social media about Randy's case,
and seeing that prompted me to reach out to Alberta
Leach in the family. And as recent as two thousand
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and six, we ran a narcotics case on an individual,
a local drug dealer, career criminal that had always been
a person of interest in Randy's disappearance. So we had
a rock solid case on that individual. He was potentially
going to prison for the rest of his life, and
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I was going to make a run at him and
interview him regarding his knowledge.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Of Randy's disappearance.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Shortly before that interview, I'd been in touch with Special
Agent Tim Denis with the KBI, and Tim had worked
Randy's disappearance for many years, did a lot of good
work on the case. Tim explained to me at that
time that that individual, that drug dealer, had already been eliminated.
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That Hayden was actually in custody. He was in our
Johnson County jail the night that Randy disappeared. But anyway,
I reached out to Alberta and the family and I
just offered my help, and originally what I wanted to
accomplish was basically be a liaison with between Alberta and
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the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office. Like Joe mentioned, I had
success with developing a cold case squad at the Johnson
County Sheriff's Office when I came to the investigation of
Burero twenty seventeen. At that time, we had nine cold
cases on our books, Eight were murders and one was
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a cold case missing person, very similar to Randy's case. So,
like Joe mentioned, we developed this unique cold case squad
and I'll just tell you ultimately, although both the rest
occurred after I retired in twenty nineteen, that group was
able to clear two of those cold cases by rest.
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One of them has gone through the court system and
resulted in a criminal conviction. The other is still pending trial.
So my plan was is motivate the Leavenworth County Sheriff's
Office present a cold case model. Offered to assist because
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my position was law enforcements in the best position to
conduct the investigation. Self admit I'm spoiled. I'm accustomed to
working with a large staff crime analysts detectives, and Joe
and I just don't have those resources at hand. So
I recruited Joe to come give me a hand because
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Joe and I had worked together for many years. We
did get a meeting with the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Office,
the sheriff, the executive, and the command staff, and we
pitched the idea of a cold case model we volunteered
to assist and coury. I'll just tell you in part,
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they were hesitant about Joe and I being too close
to Alberta and the family, and Joe and I offered,
that's okay, we'll still help you set this up. Stand
it up, help you recruit personnel, and I'll just at
the close of the meeting, the Sheriff's office indicated they
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would consider the request. Ultimately, that meeting was in twenty
twenty two, and it just hasn't come to fruition. So
Joe and I continue to work on this case with
the resources that we've got available to us.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, and it's also a cold case officially with the
Kansas fuer of Investigation. I want to make sure and
point that out. And you mentioned Special Agent dentis an
excellent homicide investigator for many years as well. He's since retired.
So there were some very very competent people that were
(19:57):
trying to assist Leavenworth County as as much as possible
when it came to this case. Joe, from an investigative standpoint,
what does it usually suggest when both a person and
their vehicle disappear together with absolutely no trace.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, you know, there's a few possibilities, one being maybe
he got a wreck, drove off the road into the river,
because that party wasn't far from the Kansas River that
empties into the Missouri River. And there was also another
(20:37):
smaller creek called Stranger Creek that was close by. The
party wasn't that far away from that location. That's a
possibility simply because they've never recovered the car.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Now they have dragged.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That area where if Randy would have driven home, he
would have went over a one lane bridge.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
But the bridge was I.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I thought it would be like just a wooden bridge
with barely a single lane and some two by fours
where the tires go, But it was a fairly large,
had a structure, metal structure. I think if he would
have I mean, I don't know how he could have
driven off that bridge because it would or without damaging
(21:33):
the bridge, because that would have.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Showed up right away.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But a few years later it was dragged and they
found a stolen car there, but it wasn't the Leech car.
So and who knows, you know, you're always every once
in a while you see on the news where somebody's
been missing for twenty years and they dragged a car
(22:01):
out of a pond or a river or a lake,
and so that that's a possibility. There's another possibility where
in this area they had three murders that occurred and
never found the bodies of two, right you two two
(22:25):
of two of the individuals. They convicted two people in
regards to these murders, and what they did was they
killed the people and then they stuffed their bodies into
a fifty five gallon drum through it in the river
(22:48):
and the Missouri River or the Kansas River and shot
them the barrel full of holes. And it's saying and
that current, I mean, who knows where they never recovered
the bodies or the barrels that they were in. So
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you don't know if something like that may have happened.
Or there's lots of ponds in this area. Now they
have searched many ponds. They've also searched Stranger Creek. They've
also searched the uh the Kansas River without finding the
(23:32):
car or Randy. There is a spot right by where
that bridge that goes over the Stranger Creek. There's a
next to it, there's a railroad trestle that goes by. Now,
if you Tim Dennis check this out, and he said,
(23:54):
if right underneath that bridge, there's a deep area, so
if the river goes down and the river wasn't real
high in April of nineteen eighty eight, it was kind.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Of a drought.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We checked with the I can't think of the name
of the National Forestry or whatever, and they said the
river was down, but it wasn't completely down. But if
the river's down, it still keeps level, and that deep
(24:29):
area right next to the bridge would still be real
deep with water. It wouldn't go down like it would
where there isn't that deep cave kind of kind of indention.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Or whatever at the bottom of the river. So Tim's.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Detective Dennis's theory was that it could have went down
in there, and then with the floods we had, we
had big floods in the early nineties and after that,
it could have easily washed the car into the Kansas River.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
So that's another theory. There's also a theory where.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
A person he got crossways with some narcotics traffickers in
this area and they may have put something in his
drink to cause him to become unaware of what was
going on and barely walked, which he was. That happened
(25:40):
to him at the party and somebody did something with
him when he was basically inebriated and didn't know, couldn't
defend himself.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, and there was numerous witnesses that said he was offered,
appeared to be under the influence of something in that
right mark that. There was quite a few people who
responded and said he wasn't. He was definitely off and
seemed to be high on something, and he wasn't a
known drug user. By the way, the riff apparently occurred
because of a girl. I think if memory sirs.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yes, and occurring. When you consider the number of witnesses
that have described Randy at the party, Joe and I
pretty much consider it a known that he was intoxicated
and impaired. Obviously, we believe he was impaired by alcohol
(26:35):
and probably a combination of alcohol and marijuana.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Now, real gatherings like this created a very different and
difficult investigative environment with compared to urban scenes. In about
thirty seconds or so, what challenges does that create when
reconstructing events years later.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Well, obviously run a rural, remote setting. I would describe
this gathering as in Kansas, we would call it an
outdoor kegger. I guess on the West coast you would
call it maybe an outdoor house party with a bonfire.
And it's a mystery. Obviously Randy was present at the party,
(27:26):
he was intoxicated, he was impaired the early morning hours
one thirty two am. There are witnesses that describe him
being present and a group of his friends were trying
to arrange how to get Randy.
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case that started the night of the disappearance of Randy
in nineteen eighty eight. Joe Rock, welcome back, Thank you
all right. And Rock's a nickname for Mark, by the way,
I've called him forever. So, so, one thing that came
up you mentioned in the car potentially in a cave.
(32:02):
There was some information about potential Satanic ritual behavior. There
was in the late eighties. There was some social contagions
going on about Satanic rituals and there were some people
who were practicing that for a bit that was kind
of making the rounds that he became a victim to
(32:25):
satanic rituals. Has that been put to sleep?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Joe? You want to address that or.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Coming back on it?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, you know, I remember back in nineteen eighty eight
there was a lot of worries around about satanic activity.
I'm sure there was some I could I never came
across it. In fact, the day that Leavenworth called to
(33:00):
go up there, uh, we had a seminar regarding a
guy from it, either South Carolina or North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Paul Banner, who was an expert.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
At satanic crime scenes, and he was there in the
office and he came with me also.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Now they may have called.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Because I had been investigating satanic cults or crimes during
that time frame, but m hm.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Apparently they thought they didn't need us when we got
there and we were.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Asked lea, which we did do so, but.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
It was it was a big.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I don't I don't want, I don't want to downplay
any satanic stuff that it is there, but I just
and there have been I've talked to very excellent detectives
that have uncovered calls and they can be dangerous, but
so far.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
We haven't been able to prove anything like that in
this case.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You agree, yeah, I agree, Joe and Curry you mentioned it.
I mean, the nineteen eighties were a unique time, and
I go back to that McMartin preschool case in La County,
and Randy's disappearance was kind of on the heels of that,
and it's been described i'll just use the term satanic
(34:40):
panic and myself thirty two years law enforcement, I've just
never investigated any crime whatsoever as a first responder detective
and arconics detective that had any length to any satanic
cult activity. What we're seeing right now in Randy's disappearance,
(35:03):
we're just not seeing any credible information of that. But
I will tell you that law enforcement dedicated a lot
of resources looking at the satanic cult angle, and I
think a lot of that was prompted by the community
and the public flooding law enforcement with tips and calls
(35:24):
that they needed to look at this satanic cult angle.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Now, as a professor, I was interested in this case
and I actually asked you both to come to my
class to present, and we did some kind of research
on our own, open, open source research that the students
participated in during that it was a criminal investigations course,
and I thought it would be a good outcomes based
(35:51):
learning exercise to kind of go through the processes. We
did some probabilities that occurred in the vvehical submersion story
was reaching like fifty to sixty percent, and the party
of origin foul play was you know, thirty to forty percent.
So it's certainly you know, those percentages aren't high enough
(36:15):
to say positively one way or the other. I mean,
it could be certainly either one of those. The non
party homicide was around five to ten percent, and of
course the voluntary disappearance. It's just there is nothing that
ever has come up with Randy ever being located, the
cars never been located, never been run on a tag,
(36:39):
any of that kind of stuff. So people have to
understand that if he if he disappeared on his own,
it's extraordinary because no one's ever heard from him again.
And he had no mental issues, no problems, he had
a job. He just was given an older tractor, an
(37:00):
old tractor that was that he had been repaired. He
was a Mustang was given to him for his birthday
that was in the shop actually being worked on him,
And the day of the party he stopped by the
shop to see how it was going. So there was
no indicators at all that he wanted to take his
own life where he wanted to leave, right, correct.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
And you know, obviously law enforcement had to look at that.
But Curry, I agree. I mean, Rainy by all accounts,
was a well adjusted young man. There's outward there's no
indication of depression, anxiety, any red flags, or any self
harm whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, Also he wasn't I mean, he didn't drink really.
What he did do at a party like this, he
would have a can of beer or a glass of
beer and walk around with it kind of blend in.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
And didn't really drink.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
And he did not do any type of drugs that
most of the people have said so, and everybody liked
them there, I mean, we haven't come across anybody that
really disliked them, so, uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's kind of the epitome of a big old farm kid,
you know, big old farm k.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
That's a good description. And Joe, Joe mentioned that everybody
liked Randy. And when when you start looking at at
foul play, you have to ask the question, why would
anybody have a motive horror Randy or foul play? I mean,
(38:47):
that always comes up. What would be a motive.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
The interesting part about the the the waterway incident, we
did have the US Army Corvette engineers. I actually asked
them specific to send to send me information and data
for both Stranger Creek and Kansas the Kansas River during
those time periods. And Joe, you're absolutely right it was
a drought at that time. But Kansas rivers and waterways
(39:14):
are sediment lated. I mean they're very sediment there's very
muddy even under droughts. The mud continues also needs a
little bit of water, and you know, during that time period,
so when you look at it, potentially a narrow The
bridge was a brand new bridge. In fact, it was
(39:35):
in the movie Kansas and featured in the movie Kansas,
which is it's not that good of a movie, but
it was a movie that that occurred. And I say
that because I was in it as an extra, but
back in my state trooper days. But anyway, the plausibility
of him taking a wrong turn prior to the bit bridge,
(39:57):
or taking that a buttonment that you mentioned, or the
railroad trestle that you mentioned, especially if you're under the influence,
may very well be one of those issues that occurred,
and if you go into the sediment, especially in that
deep part, Joe, that you were referring to, the data
showed from the US Army Corps of Engineers that that
(40:18):
that in about three days that vehicle would would would
immediately start to turn sync and settle, and that it's
possible with the sediment that is so active in that
area that within three days this and it's a small
CA car that is not heavy at all. If I
remember the old K cars from Chrysler back in those days,
(40:40):
that it could potentially be partially covered, if not fully covered,
in three to four days.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
That that's true. But the thing with this is that
the word got out the next morning that Randy was missing.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
He didn't come home, and.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
There was a guy that lived across the street from
where the party was. There was a pilot and he
got in his plane and flew all over the area where, uh,
where Stranger Creek was. And I with the water being low,
and I agree that it could sink over a period
(41:21):
of two or three days to where it's not visible.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
But I think with all the people the kids from
the school were looking, people were looking all over for them.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Relatives mom and Dad. I mean it was and they knew,
they knew the location, they knew the way that they
would travel.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, and I just think it's possible. But I'm you know,
anything's possible right now, I mean it's probable because we
never have found the car.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah. Now, Now, cadever dogs were used right mark, and
they saw they found an endpoint. I think it was
along the Kansas River. That was a cove that may
have if memory serves, there was a cove that was
kind of considered a party cove in that area right
off the Kansas River, and there were cadaver dogs a
(42:15):
few years later that actually hit in that area that
where a car could have possibly driven off because it
was a low slope. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Correct? And my recollection. Obviously there was no discovery obviously
the vehicle or Randy in that location. But yes, a
cadaver dog in a couple different areas has indicated to
the possibility of human remains.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Okay, now let's look at the the Joe, did you
have something to do? Okay, so let's look at the
at the at the two, at the theory two, which
is the party origin event. Uh, it's it's not much
of a crime scene. There wasn't really a crime scene
going back and worked. Even though it was a disappearance,
(43:07):
they didn't know. Investigators didn't know it was a homicide, certainly,
but there wasn't There was some witness interviews, but there
wasn't much in terms of actually searching property. Is that
correct or of my wrong misunderstanding?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
That's that's correct, Curry. I mean, obviously, early on investigators
there was no probable cause of a crime upon which
to apply for a search warrant. Potentially the only crime
known were probable calls existed may have been social hosting.
(43:48):
The family that hosted there was probably probable cause that
they supplied alcoholic beverages to the underage teenagers. There was
a consensual search of the property at some point by
the Leveloorth Countshires's office, but no search warrant was ever
executed on the property.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
And there was there were interviews conducted to people on
the scene. Did they were they able to ascertain everybody
and be able to interview everybody that was there at
the party.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I don't believe everybody that was at the party has
been interviewed. I mean they tried, and you had people
from Lynnwood, which is a small high school. I believe
there was thirty six kids in the graduating class that
were there, but the other kids from the school were
there too. But then you had kids come up because
(44:45):
the host of the party was originally from Kansas City,
Kansas and had one year The daughter had one year
at Lynnwood, so she still had lots of friends in Casey,
k or in Kansay, Kansas. And there were kids from
Kansas City, Kansas also that were at the party. And
(45:08):
you know how party gets certain if somebody hears about
a party, it goes to the next person, the next person,
and pretty soon, even in a small party environment, you've
got a bunch of kids coming that nobody even knows because.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
They heard about the party.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
So the other strange thing about the party was mister
and missus Leech got to the hot party house by
what time seven, and it was all cleaned up. There
was nothing. There was no trash laying around from where
(45:49):
the bonfire was, or no beer cans, there was no litter,
There was nothing to indicate that the party was ever
even there, which I think.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
I don't. I think that's strange.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, people waking up early and to clean up something
when they could have done it, I would have.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
They had to get up about five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
If there were that many people at the party running
around drinking and whatever, there would be a lot, there
would be a big mess.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
So the possibility exists that he was giving something. Since
he wasn't a big drinker, I mean, he could have
changed that night, but the laws of probability suggested that
he would have maintained his the way he drank alcohol,
which was seldom and not very often. If someone spiked
his his punch or whatever it may be, and it
(46:47):
got to the point where he overdosed as a result,
then there could have been panic that could occurred with
people at the party, not necessarily meaning to kill him,
but that is certainly a possibility, right, And then as
a result of the panic, then you start cleaning up,
you start, you know, and maybe disposed of the body,
(47:07):
right to include the car. That's that's basically the theory.
And then the car could have been driven to the
Kansas River and you know, taken into the river.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Right, that's correct. I mean, there's just so many different possibilities.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Or if he did get crossways with a narcotics trafficker,
and they had somebody put something in his drink and
then they drove them away. You know that's possibility too,
when the party was gone or just before it's shut down,
(47:45):
we'll give him a ride or and then he's just gone.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Now before we end, we still have a few minutes.
But I want to make sure that people are cognizant
of the website. They have a Facebook site that people
can go to if they have information about this case
or want to research it further, Mark, can you give
that website out?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
I'm going to refer everybody to Randy's Facebook page, which
is maintained by Alberta Leach's family friend Betty Wilson in
Search of Randy Leach. In Search of Randy Leach. If
you go to social media, specifically Facebook, that Facebook page
(48:29):
can't receive chips and leads and information, and you can
also reach out and ask to speak or contact Joe
and I as well through that Facebook page.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
So modern technology now we have things like light ar,
modern sonar that's completely different than what was around in
nineteen eighty eight. What's the next steps or what can
be done by using the advent of technology to try
to find more about anything that may have come into
the river.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Well, one piece of technology that we're working with. We
have an individual that has volunteered his services, and his
technology is a camera affixed to a drone and through
a polarization filter and adjusting lighting and contrast, can peer
(49:27):
through the water. So without dragging and divers the drone
can hover and see into the depths of the water.
So this individual has pretty much the entire surrounding area
and the waterways mapped out, and as time permits, is
(49:47):
conducting those searches. And that was problematic as Joe and
I are going through this, we're asking was this body
of water ever searched? And sometimes we would get an answer,
Sure it was searched, but it wasn't written down or
wasn't documented. So one thing we're doing right now is
documenting those searches.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, and what and what does search mean? I mean
looking out over the river and seeing if something might
be submerged or not. That's totally different than taking boats
out and.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
You know whatever. They have done that.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Also, so we're in the so he is actually this
person is actually starting that process and has done some
and is continuing to do this work.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yes, and there's also another group that's done underwater searches
as well. That group is Adventures with Purpose. Their technology
is a little bit different. They're on the water with
their technology and their search areas have been.
Speaker 5 (50:49):
Documented as well.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
We also have access to ground penetrating radar. Man that
owns that has a business in that has said that
he would come out anytime we need him.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
He would come out and try the ground penetrating radar
to see if there's anything below the ground.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Is that going to be tried like this summer then
or do you have to wait and see this other
guy's work to maybe pinpoint a location better.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
As far as the ground penetrating radar right, correct, We
we'd have to have a pretty pinpoint for him to go,
and we haven't. We thought we had one, but there
was the landowner had told us that he had placed
(51:40):
a old truck in this ravine to stop the flooding,
and that had been and then the information was like
twelve fifteen years old.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, and there was a lot of farmers that will
dump stuff into you know, used to be where they
would to help stop erosion onto the front farm land.
So that's not really an uncommon thing. So Mark after
reviewing what's known about this case. What really stands out
to you is the biggest unanswered questions, Well.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Curry, Early on, I wanted to review the interviews from
the witnesses at the party, basically the statements they provided
in nineteen eighty eight, follow up statements Kati and Levemore
County Shares Office took a second look at two thousand
and two. I wanted to look at those statements and
(52:34):
reinterview those witnesses and compare their statements. Joe and I
are still working on that. We've got what we believe
are some pretty credible statements about what occurred in the
early morning hours between one point thirty and two AM.
And going back to statements Joe and I are had
(52:55):
a disadvantage. We don't have access to the entire investigative
case file. What we have access to we call it
the fifteen ninety five. In nineteen ninety three, a Levemoth
County Sharf's Office detective released basically the first five years
of the case file to a private investigator and the family,
(53:20):
So we have access to that. So when Joe and
I reference we've reviewed this report, we're reviewing it from
that case file that was released by that detective in
nineteen ninety three, So.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's not been released by the agency.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
No. No, that was an unofficial act, unauthorized release of
that case file.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
And that would include the KI. The KBI has not
been given the files from the agency.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
No.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
From what Joe and I have, there are no KBI
reports included with it. It is Levemworth County Sheriff's Office
reports in case right up until July nineteen ninety three,
from eighty eight to July of nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (54:10):
So this is for both of you. If someone's listening,
if someone's listening tonight that may have some small information.
How important is this to be able to share with
with with this in search of Randy Leach dot com.
Speaker 5 (54:27):
Very important?
Speaker 4 (54:29):
I think, yeah, there could be somebody out there, and
it's the classic. Well I didn't call the police because
I thought the police already knew that, or I thought
they would have known that. So we're looking obviously for
that person that may know something even though they don't
think it's important, you know, reach out to the Facebook
page the Levenmoth County Sheriff's Office. I'm going to put
(54:52):
their number out nine one three six eight two fifty
seven twenty four, nine to one three six eight, two
fifty seven twenty four and the KBI one eight hundred
Kansas Crime one eight hundred Kansas Crime if you have
any information on Randy's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Joe and Mark, thanks for coming on the show, and
thanks for your service, and thanks for continuing to serve
even after your retirement. Remember it's in search of Randy
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and friends. It's always an honor to have you participate.
If you know anything, please feel free to say something.
(55:33):
And Joe and Mark, thanks again for coming on the show.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (55:37):
Thanks for having us curry all right.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
Folks, stay safe. We'll see you next week.
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