Unmasking Loneliness & Redefining Fantasy: A Deep Dive with Pepper K

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to welcome um guest Peppercat.
She's a former news producer,turned a Dell entertainer, and
she is the creator of DesignYour Dream Girl.
She's joining us to explore somedeep things like male
loneliness, emotional health,and how fantasy and desire

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Well, welcome back.

SPEAKER_05 (03:12):
Hi, I'm doing well.
How are you?

SPEAKER_10 (03:16):
I am great.
I am great.
So let's start with your story.
Um, you begin your career as anews producer.
So make such a bold and uniquetransition into adult
entertainment.

SPEAKER_05 (03:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm Peppercat, and I startedas a news producer.
So I produce night news, morningnews, life, lifestyle.
And I was doing that for aboutthree and a half years.
And then I found out about phonesex and selling panties and

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doing um online adult work.
And I was really interested.
And I kind of played around withit.
I did some live camming with mymask on.
I kind of lived a double life.
I was producing but alsocamming.
And then I was also sellingpanties, and I was like, wow,

(04:16):
this is actually really cool.
And um I wanted to travel and bemore financially stable, but
also still do somethingexciting.
And I found that I really enjoydoing this line of work, and now
I do it full time, and it's notmy dirty secret anymore.

(04:41):
Um, but it's something that Ireally love doing.
Um, I love connecting with myfans, but also exploring my own
sexuality doing this line ofwork.

SPEAKER_10 (04:53):
Nice.
Yeah.
You know, that is such apowerful leap from being a news
producer now in adult umentertainment.
I know what that leap lookslike, but what were some of the
biggest challenges for you thatfaced during that transition?
And how did you you find thestrength to just push through
to, you know, allow your dirtylittle secret to be revealed?

SPEAKER_05 (05:14):
Yeah, um, I think the biggest challenge was
keeping it a a secret for solong.
I my my parents just found out acouple of months ago, and um
they thought I was working forthe news, and then they thought
I was a tutor.
And so I think keeping this partof my life hidden and not having

(05:36):
anyone to talk to about or tellthem about, except for my
friends, I think that was thehardest part is lying to my
family.
But um, I did it, I didn't do itto hurt them.
I didn't, I didn't want to hurtthem, and so it was kind of like
something that I kept inside.
Um, but now they know.
But uh, but it's fine, theydon't care.

SPEAKER_10 (05:58):
But let me ask you, how long?
Um, how long have you been inthe adult industry?

SPEAKER_05 (06:03):
Um, in June, I'll be going on about three years now,
full time, not halftime.
Um, part-time I did it for aboutI would say four years, um, but
full-time, three years.

SPEAKER_10 (06:16):
Three years, okay.
All right.
So let's talk about maleloneliness.
You know, you shared in thebeginning that you started off
with Cam and selling underwear.
Um, that's something that'soften overlooked with the call
when we talk about menloneliness um or dismissed.
So what have some of your whathave you observed in your work

(06:37):
and interaction with men that umopen your eyes to their
emotional struggle?

SPEAKER_05 (06:43):
Yeah, um, I think the first thing I noticed with
men, period, when I firststarted, and I guess it could
relate to male loneliness, isthat a lot of them live double
lives in a way that they don'talways feel like they can always
vocalize what they want orvocalize what they're really
into.
So they come to us, and um, Iknow that you were in this

(07:09):
industry as well, so I'm sureyou know what I'm talking about,
but um, but I I also noticedthat when I did live camming,
um, so I was live camming with abunch of men coming in the chat
room.
I would notice that when I didspeak to them and even during
private cam shows, a lot of themwould tell me that they've never

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had sex before, that they'venever been in relationships.
I've seen an I've seen anincrease of younger men coming
to me for cam shows and phonesex, which I did experience them
when I first started, but I seea lot more of them coming to me
for companionship too, thegirlfriend experience and a lot

(07:56):
of the same complaints orchallenges that they've
vocalized when it comes tohaving trouble dating.
Right.
Um, not having sex at all.

SPEAKER_10 (08:08):
Right.
And you know what I guess is isvery surprising, especially when
you when you talk about men, um,about having difficulties,
especially having conversationswith women, or better yet, of
not um being in relationshipsand and having sex.
And the whole thing is about theloneliness.
I guess we tend not to reallyfeel that men are lonely, you

(08:28):
know, because they're men, youknow, and we know, you know,
because this is the industrythat we've been in, is that, you
know, men are the biggestconsumers of this.
Um, I think one misconception,and I don't you can agree with
me or not, is that uh a lot oftimes is that a lot of it's
companionship and not just aboutsex.
Sometimes it's about theconversation that they can have

(08:50):
with you and be open about theirsexual press um preference or
you know, or some of theirfantasies, or even just uh uh
just to just listen, you know?

SPEAKER_05 (09:02):
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_10 (09:06):
No, no, so you know, society tells men to stay strong
and not to show their emotions,but that takes a toll, right?
So, how do you think that thesenorms affect their ability to
connect deeply with others?

SPEAKER_05 (09:21):
Yeah, I um I do agree that it goes beyond sex in
terms of being vulnerable, and Ithink it allows men from what
I've observed to have a silentstruggle with things that they
just don't feel comfortablespeaking up about.
It a lot of them, like I said,come to us instead of being open

(09:45):
with people who are theirfriends or their family or even
their spouse.
And um, just based on what I'veseen, there's a lot of secrecy
um and just not opening up.
And I think it does get pent upat some times um for certain men
more than others in terms ofinternalizing certain um ways of

(10:09):
being a man.
Um, but I do know that a lot oftimes men they do practice some
sort of what they think is theirmasculinity with me, um, and
other women like me for camcalls or phone sex.
So I know sometimes if a man isum uh he has a powerful position

(10:34):
in life and he doesn't alwaysshow his emotions or he's not
vulnerable, they'll use myplatform for me to put them in a
position where they experiencesome sort of masculinity
different than what theyactually show to other people in
terms of them being submissiveor them getting into

(10:57):
syssification, dressing up likewomen and just kind of playing
around with that in terms ofwhat it means to channel their
emotions in a sexual way, but itstill allows them to go deep
into themselves and kind ofquestion why they think what
they think, and so that's how Isee it.

SPEAKER_10 (11:18):
Okay, well, thank you for sharing that.
So let me ask you this being asex worker in so first, let me
two parts.
One, is it do you just docamming or have you um went into
the deep end, like mainstreamhardcore um video?

SPEAKER_05 (11:38):
So I do camming phone sex, I've done
collaborations, but it'swrestling, um, fantasy
wrestling, I'll do on on camera,which is a little different than
what I do, um, but not likehardcore um sex with men or
anything like that.
Not yet.

SPEAKER_10 (11:57):
You say not yet.
So um my next question is whathas been the biggest backlash,
or better yet, have you had anybacklash from being a sex worker
since you have come out of yourdirty little secret, um,
especially when it comes on uhum online?
Have you had any backlash?

(12:17):
And if any, how has that madeyou feel uh with being so open
about your career now?

SPEAKER_05 (12:23):
Yeah.
Um I know certain members of myfamily, not all of them, um,
they are super religious, and sothey do um not like what I'm
doing.
And I've I've even had them uhshare my secret to other people
that I didn't want out, which isfine.

(12:43):
I mean, it's out.
Um that's the most backlash.
If there's backlash in terms ofmy college or high school, I
don't know about it.
Um, I don't really go on mypersonal um pages anymore just
because I just don't uh reallywant people to ask me about it
on those platforms.
Um, but that's the main part ofthe back the backlash.

(13:06):
And then of course, onlinetrolls and people, you know,
right, typical people calling menames, death threats, just crazy
stuff like that for me posting apicture, or if they know I have
an OnlyFans, um, harassmentonline, but that's kind of
typical, you know, with trollsand people online.

SPEAKER_10 (13:28):
Right, right.
So, do you have any specificstories of feedback that you
receive that can shed light onjust how real the loneliness can
be?

SPEAKER_05 (13:40):
I mean, I have so many.
Um, and um, I guess when itcomes to loneliness, I mean I I
know for me in terms of umcamming, for example, I have a
lot of guys um who maybe so Ihad I don't want to say their
name or anything, but I knowI've I've been in contact with

(14:02):
some for camming who have neverhad sex before.
Um where he cammed with me for acouple of years.
He never had a girlfriend, buthe used cam sites to find some
sort of companionship.
Um, I know I have certaincustomers who even have autism

(14:24):
or some type of disability thatimpacts their social skills.
And so I just meet them wherethey are when it comes to
speaking to women and doingsexual interactions.
Um but yeah, for the loneliness,that's a big one.
Um, I I know that I get a lot ofmen, even if they're divorced,

(14:47):
and I know they come to me forfor cam shows and um
experiencing some type ofcompanionship or some type of
sexual pleasure, even if it'svirtually, that they may feel
like they're missing on, missingout now, um, that they are
separated or divorced from theirspouse.

SPEAKER_10 (15:10):
Right.
So let's let's shift, let'sshift, let's shift a little bit
into the adult industry, okay?
Um, what's one thing that youwish that people understood
about being an adult entertainerthat they probably don't?

SPEAKER_05 (15:25):
Um, I think the first one is that um I think a
lot of people think that that iseasy.
That's the first, that it'seasy, that it's not easy.
It takes a lot of emotionalintelligence, it takes a lot of
reading people, um, beingsexually mature and not laughing

(15:48):
at someone, unless that's like akink for them.
Um, that's that's one.
Another is that a lot of peopleassume people who work in our
industry are not intelligent orsmart and that we just chose
this because we can't doanything else.
Um, that's not true.
A lot of us are smart, and evenwhat people think is work um or

(16:12):
not work.
Sometimes people assume thatwhat we do is not considered
work, but if they were to be inour shoes, that they would see
how how much work it takes bebehind the scenes to do this
line of work.
Um, and then also people alwaysassume that you have to come
from a background in terms ofbeing sexually assaulted or

(16:36):
raped, which I'm not saying thatthat's not the case for all of
us, but it's not always the casefor everyone, you know, just
like any other job.
There's people who have beensexually assaulted and who have
not been.
Um, it's the same for ourindustry too.

(16:57):
So yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (16:58):
You know, and I guess that kind of goes in um
into the next question.
You kind of spoke on it a littlebit about the stigma around
adult work.
You know, um, there's the sloganthat says, sex work is work.
Sex work is work.
What do you think that causesthe biggest misconception about
performance?

SPEAKER_05 (17:17):
I think people have a hard time separating sex from
business.
And I think it's because we doit all the time for free.
You know, um, when when you puta price on it in terms of sexual
pleasure, it's hard for peopleto see the difference.
And so I think that's the mainpart of where people get

(17:40):
confused.
And I think that's part of thereason why people think it's
easy, is because they just thinkof like the sexual part.
But like you were sayingearlier, it goes deeper than
that.
I mean, I mean, people aretelling us their lives, and you
have to have some type ofmaturity.
Um, there's a lot of hard thingsthat you may hear that may

(18:00):
traumatize you.
I mean, it's just it's not easy.
And sex work is a place wherepeople use us as outlets, but
um, sometimes the people justdon't understand, they just
glance over that.

SPEAKER_10 (18:16):
Yeah, you know, that's a beautiful way to put
it, um, as an outlet.
I think that goes in detail onhow important empathy is, how
important that empathy is is tohave.
So for, and this is my questionwith empathy for people, how
important is empathy for peoplecreating the content and the

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people consuming it?

SPEAKER_05 (18:39):
It's very important.
Um, when I mean, for us whomakes the content, having
empathy for us being vulnerable.
Um, I think it's hard for peopleto do that.
Um, but I think for me, whatI've learned in this industry,

(19:01):
um, I have mostly malecustomers.
I've gotten a couple of women,but not um too many.
Um, at least for me, I'velearned how to have a sense of
empathy for men and theirsexuality, um, and their sexual
urges that I had no idea.

(19:21):
Um, I knew a little bit aboutit, but I didn't know as much as
I do now.
And I definitely have moreempathy for them when it comes
to sexual urges that theybattle.
Um, that I just had no idea.
And then also the maleloneliness, too.
Right.
Um, but I I think it's importantto have empathy for both and to

(19:43):
not put people down for watchingporn or seeing a sex worker.
I mean, we all need love andintimacy.
Yeah, but you know something.

SPEAKER_07 (19:56):
Uh, I've just been sitting here listening, and you
know, y'all talking so you knowabout male loneliness and things
like that, but this the dogpound.
So I come from a whole differentconcept.
But I guess what I want to askyou is there's kind of a
difference between I guess formen who watch porn and they just
want to see the porn, they wantto see the comfort, they want to

(20:17):
see the beautiful women, andthey want to see the
interaction.
But you and I never known Namilyfor a long time, so I know you
you're talking about theinteraction with the guys and
loneliness and and and andtalking to them more than the
actual act of sex.
So, what how how do you keep,you know, how do you keep it
together on that part?
Because when you carry and talkto a guy, I mean they literally

(20:40):
can can fall in love with you.
And like I said, I know Naomifor a long time.
She used to have shows fallingmore in love with, and people
actually do.
So, how do you keep it togetherfrom guys who just want to see
you in a sexual act and guys whowant more conversation and want
to know more about you in theirlives?
That's a good question.

SPEAKER_05 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, there's been guys who have fallen in
love.
Um, typically, if they do that,they just stop talking to me.
I don't take it personally, Ijust know they you know they
just want to not fall in lovewith the camp model, which which
I understand.
Certain guys, I just have toblock them to be honest.

(21:22):
Um, if they get a littleobsessed.
Um, but for the most part, I Imake it clear in the beginning,
I set my boundaries, I let themknow up front.
I know that this is a fantasy.
I do not meet in person.
This is what's gonna happen,this is what's not going to
happen.
And if they break the rules,then I just block them and

(21:43):
report them.
Um, but I haven't gotten anylike stalkers in person online.
I have, um, but for the mostpart, I just set my boundaries.

SPEAKER_10 (21:55):
That's good.
That's good.
So let's talk about the dream,the design your dream.
That's your project, and I thinkit's both innovative and deeply
human.
What inspired you to create thisexperience?

SPEAKER_05 (22:08):
Yeah, so I wanted to create an experience that my
fans have with me on my ownplatform.
I wanted to provide a safe placewhere they can be naughty and
live out their fantasies in aplace where they feel like
they're not judged.
And so I have I do one-on-onecamming with them, or if they

(22:32):
want a custom video, or if theyjust want to message me and
talk, or even on the phone.
I just create a space where it'smy own platform and where they
can live out their dream andhave it come to life.

SPEAKER_10 (22:50):
Yeah, I I love that.
I love you.
You sound like me a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 (22:56):
I can tell.
How do you feel in this space isis is helping helping people
feel safe about expressing theirdesires?

SPEAKER_05 (23:06):
They uh a lot of them are current customers.
Um, I feel, I mean, I they'veI've known them for years, but I
feel like my platform is safejust because I mean I've I I've
been doing this for a couple ofyears now, and um a lot of them
trust me.
I always um speak with thembeforehand to ask them what they

(23:31):
like, what they don't like.
I don't want to cross anyboundaries with my with my
customers through through thisor do something that they don't
feel comfortable with.
Um but I just think just havingthe conversation up front and
just getting to know them morein terms of what turns them on
usually helps.

SPEAKER_10 (23:50):
Yeah.
So let me ask you this, becausefor me, you know, I've been in
the industry for quite someyears, but then I've been
retired and I've been out of theum well in forefront and
performing for over 12 years,almost 13 years now.
Um, actually be 13 years in a inabout a month or two, really,

(24:10):
honestly.
But still, but I I umunderstanding my fan base and
what they want, I've beenblessed that a lot of my fan
base has been able to transitionover to where I'm at now.
You understand what I'm saying?
To this point.
Um and I believe me and Dog PalmMike Mike has talked about this

(24:30):
before and other things, is thateven when communicating a lot
with those day ones, it's morethan just a fantasy that they
have.
And so it's more of, and when Isay this, I know people are
gonna say, really, Naomi, it'slike a relationship, but not a
lot, not like a uh um a lovelove type of relationship, but

(24:51):
is that you know, I got you oryou got me in a sense of
communicating.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, you know, in in thatinstance, um, that's one thing
that I love.
Dog Power Mike Mike said itbefore, um, that I had at one
point of time did a wholecampaign on fall in love with

(25:12):
Naomi Banks.
It was a whole fall in love withme type campaign.
Um, and it was a businesstactic, but then I found that
truly people were not justfalling in love with me because
of the tits and ads, they werefalling in love with me because
of my personality, how genuineit was.
So then when I do meet a person,you know, going to conventions

(25:33):
in person, or if they had asession with me, um, with Dom
session, it was like, oh wow,you are a real, you know, person
in, you know, of humanity.
I think that's the biggest partwhen it comes down to you know,
sex workers and stuff like that,that we have no um we have no
kind of character, you know,like we just dirty little

(25:55):
whores, excuse me, dirty littlewhores that has no sense at all.
And honestly, a lot of thepeople that I've worked with,
not all, but a lot of the peoplethat I work with are some great
people that have, you know,great um intentions when it
comes to, you know, this work.
Um, and it was something Iwanted to go back, it was
something that you said about,you know, um some clients um

(26:21):
that has, you know, certain typeof um disadvantage um mentally,
you know, that are unable tohave a relationship with others
because people look at them acertain different way.
Um, just not too long ago, I washaving a conversation with a
friend of mine.
I said, what if it will be away, and I'm about to give this

(26:41):
out to somebody, because I don'tknow if I'm I don't know if this
is my path to do this, butsomething, uh, a platform
specifically for them.
You understand?
For those that are unable to,whether they are handicapped in
some type of way, that they areunable to be able to date or
meet someone that can they canfall in love with.

(27:02):
You know, it's like I don't Ihaven't seen any platform like
that that would definitely caterto those men and women with
those needs.
I don't know if you've been toany conventions or how many
conventions you've been at, butyou see a lot of those that come
out and support.
I had some great fans that were,you know, in that that way.

(27:22):
I don't want to call themhandicapped or nothing like
that, but that's what the worldwould call them.
But that for them, and they areloyal to the the core, and they
they have that sense ofloneliness for them.
So that's when when you saidwith the the the creating the

(27:43):
dream girls thing, that's when Ilook at that that your platform
like that as well.
Not just for that, but I kind oflook at that.
But I hadn't seen that beingdone for you know like that.
What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_05 (27:56):
Yeah, I think that's a great not even think of it
like that either.
No, but I think no, that's umthat's a great direction that I
haven't thought about either, tobe honest.
But I I do agree that I thinkthere needs to be a platform
where it's more customized forthe person who's using it, but

(28:19):
also more personal, especiallynow with AI coming out and AI
girlfriends and stuff like that.
There, sex work is still, itdoes create the human experience
that I think is reallyimportant.

SPEAKER_10 (28:35):
Okay, all right.
So this is the time that we openthe floor, we open the lines.
Um, are you ready for this?

SPEAKER_05 (28:42):
Sure.

SPEAKER_10 (28:44):
All right, my beautiful people.
All right, so we are gonna openup the lines for Miss Peppercat
right now.
So if you guys can give us acall at 765-275-1527, that's
765-271527.
And Dow Palm Mike might actuallyput up a link as well if you
want to join in thisconversation.
Again, y'all, we we got guestshere, so I want y'all to keep it

(29:06):
sexy, don't come in here rude,all right?

SPEAKER_05 (29:09):
Um scared.

SPEAKER_10 (29:11):
All right, so congratulations on your
nomination for your podcast.
Can you tell me more about yourpodcast?

SPEAKER_05 (29:19):
Thank you.
Yeah, I got um nominated for AVNum this past year.
But yeah, I so my podcast isSpicy Spectrum and it basically
focuses on taboo conversations,but I also share my experiences
working in the adult industry.

(29:40):
Um, I've also brought on sexworkers who've have spoken about
their stories, but the main partof my podcast is to humanize
those who make content andhumanize those who consume
content.
Um, yeah, yeah.
So that's it's a it's a safeplace to dive into taboo topics.

SPEAKER_10 (30:04):
Beautiful.
Well, welcome to the podcastingworld.
Thank you.
All right, so maybe you want togo to um to the BTG crew?

SPEAKER_07 (30:14):
Yeah, we go to a comment here.
And uh Jay Styles said, Will youagree that if any man
experienced abandonment in thepast, it will impact their
sexual behavior?

SPEAKER_05 (30:29):
Yeah, so what I mean the first thing I thought about
was um I know for, and this maybe a weird answer, but I know
for certain men, they channel itin different ways.
I the men who typically come tome for the mommy, dummy, or for

(30:49):
me to fantasize about beingtheir mother, a lot of them have
a background in terms ofabandonment from a parent, um,
and they channel it that way.
That's the only way I can reallythink about it.
But um, I know that in terms oftheir sexual behavior and
abandonment from their parents,that's how they've channeled

(31:10):
that is doing age play orsomething along those lines.

SPEAKER_10 (31:16):
So let me ask you this because I know these are
some questions that I had gottenwhen I was in the industry,
because those are um typicalparts that I played a lot, is
like a mommy dearest type ofstepmom, stepmom type of thing,
you know, from that for you.
How has that been for you asplaying someone's mother, you
know, on the side?
And um, how did you feel aboutthat coming from you?

SPEAKER_05 (31:41):
It was weird at first, and but I get so many of
those calls all the time.
It's normal.
Um, at first I thought it wasodd, but then we if you dig a
little deeper, people have theirreasons for why they want to do
that role play.
I may have triggered somethingum that they enjoy, but it is
weird acting out different typesof people, and I've I've done it

(32:05):
all.
Um taboo, age plane, everythinglike that.
And um I'm used to it now, but Iwasn't at first.

SPEAKER_10 (32:15):
Okay, okay.
Well, we do have a uh a callerright here right now, um Jamar,
um Jay Styles.

SPEAKER_08 (32:22):
Hey, hey, how are you?

unknown (32:24):
Oh hi.

SPEAKER_08 (32:25):
Um, I had a series of questions that I asked in the
comments.
Um one of them in particular,because I have a um disability,
you wouldn't know unless youwere physically around me.
But to your point, it has formen in particular.
I can speak from my strengththat it has been a challenge
with my disability, not in termsof sexual performance-wise, but

(32:50):
just maintaining the dynamic ofa relationship that is sexual
because I get looked atdifferently because of the
disability, and it does impactyour loneliness because it
creates a sense of abandonment.
So I wanted to know my questionis how would you um help someone
compensate for that ininteracting with you?

SPEAKER_05 (33:14):
In terms of abandonment, I I would honestly
set boundaries at first.
I would never want to give youan empty promise and you know
setting boundaries as to whatyou expect, but not also
creating a situation where youthink it's gonna go any further.

(33:40):
Um, and me just going along withit just to get paid or something
like that.
I don't I don't like to leadanyone on.
Also, I have a disability too,to be um not everyone knows, but
I actually stutter.
So I I I'm not stuttering nowbecause I'm comfortable, but I I
do have patience with people.

(34:00):
I always like to get them get toknow people before I jump into a
cam show, especially if theyhave a disability and just get
to know them and what works andwhat doesn't, because I know as
someone with a disability, Idon't like people to do certain
things um or complete mysentences for example.

(34:22):
Um, and so it's usually anupfront communication prior to.

SPEAKER_08 (34:30):
And my other question, you had already kind
of the both of you kind ofactually touched on it, was the
empathy and apathy aspect.
Um again, I have experienced alack of it, and I was wondering
in your situ in your profession,um how much has that been um

(34:51):
very challenging, if you will,to interact with people or
choose people because you alsomentioned you've you've
collaborated in the pastrecently.
You know, does the apathy andempathy aspect make it difficult
for you, you know, to interactwith potential um clients or
collaborating with differentpartners?

(35:13):
Because I've experienced that,but not not from a sex worker
point of view, but just on on apersonal side.

SPEAKER_05 (35:21):
Yeah, I um I will say that me being in this line
of work, it does impact mehaving empathy.
Um, I think that's yourquestion, is is what does what I
do impact the empathy I have forothers just throughout my life

(35:41):
too?

SPEAKER_08 (35:42):
On a personal, personal and for customer side.

SPEAKER_05 (35:45):
Yeah, um, yeah.
So I I will say it ischallenging um having empathy
when I love my customers, butit's also challenging too when
I'm online and people writereally mean things to me.
Um, and and I am human, and so Ifeel like that impacts me having

(36:08):
empathy, but also just seeingpeople as individuals and not
trying to group everyonetogether and stereotyping
someone, um, and just basing itoff of me getting to know them
personally, but um, it isimpacted in certain ways based
on interactions that I have withpeople online who aren't my

(36:33):
customers.

SPEAKER_10 (36:34):
Yeah, you know what?
I can I'm gonna piggyback off ofit, and I can definitely agree
with that.
I think, especially coming fromthis field of work, you can be
more empathetic and you see adifferent um perspective um when
it comes to different people,because now you're dealing with,
you know, some of people'struths, honestly, because a lot
of people are unable to be theirfull self without their mask on

(36:59):
when they're talking to regularpeople, because there's certain
stigmas when it comes when wetalk about sexuality, when we
talk about loneliness of men,when we talk about sensitivity
of men, and even of a womentapping into their freak side of
things, there are so manystigmas to them to them that
they're not allowed to be thisfull person who they are with

(37:20):
regular everyday people.
So when they are talking topeople like us that are in the
sex work field, um, it allowsthem to, you know, to bring
their walls down a little bitmore.
And so for me, in my case, I dolook at I I have become more
empathetic for them as well asother people because how just

(37:45):
knowing how you are in thisworld and you're not able to be
your full self.

SPEAKER_05 (37:52):
Yeah, I agree.
And actually, it's funny whenwhen I'm out in public, I people
watch people differently.
Like I'll certain thoughts comeup.
I don't know, like I'm alwayscurious about people and what
they're into, or if I seesomeone put together, I'm like,

(38:12):
they may have a dirty littlesecret, or I don't know.
It's just I look, I just lookdeeper um when it when it when
it comes to people.
Um, and even like, and I'm notjustifying people being harmed
or anything like that, but whenI see certain things happen,
that's like on the news, I'm notshocked to be honest.

(38:33):
Like if you see some sexualcrime, I'm not promoting it or
agreeing, but I I see the worlddifferently now and I have a
different perspective um as tothat too, and just seeing all
different sides um when it comesto sexuality too, as well.

SPEAKER_02 (38:55):
Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_08 (38:56):
I'm gonna leave this as my last question, ladies,
because I know other people areprobably trying to get in.
Um what would you say is themost challenging thing, both you
know, as far as the attachment,and I don't mean physical
attachment or mental attachmentor emotional.

(39:18):
I'm just saying just in thepresence of of being with
someone that, oh, this person isinteresting overall.
And then that person, that male,that man, gets some sort of
attachment.
I know you established the wordboundary a few times, and I know
boundary does make a verysignificant part of establishing

(39:41):
not getting too attached, but Ican see for myself personally,
I've had women being attached tome too soon or or um not at all.
And it's it was challengingbecause I didn't know how to
deal with it.
So I'm asking you from yourperspective, uh, what how
challenging is that for you ifyou come across a situation

(40:04):
where it is an attachment issue?
Or you know, how do you how doyou handle that?
How do you suggest as a man Ishould handle that, not
necessarily with you, just ingeneral?

SPEAKER_05 (40:16):
Um, I mean, honestly, when I had mentioned
how some people just end havingchat sessions with me, if that
helps them, if they know theydon't want to fall in love, I
mean, sometimes that's the bestyou can do is not seeing someone
again, if if you feel likeyou're developing feelings.

(40:37):
That's just my opinion, becauseyou don't want it to go any
further or have yourself hurt byattaching yourself, um, even
after boundaries wereestablished.
And um, I respect customers thatchoose to stop sessions because
they're falling in love and theydon't want to get too attached

(40:58):
and they know themselves.

SPEAKER_10 (41:01):
Yeah, it's all about really setting the boundaries
point one, period.
That's that's just what it is.
And even in your case, Jay, sowhen you say that they um, you
know, a lot of women that hasbecome attached to you, but
you're not attached, and viceversa, um, they're somewhere
down the line that those thoseum boundaries have been blurred.

(41:22):
And sometimes it can be on thepart of the person who set the
boundaries because they don'twant to hurt feelings.
You understand what I'm saying?
But then the long run, feelingsdo get hurt.
So this is where you have to beokay, I have to set this
boundaries because I don't wantneither one of us to get hurt in
this situation and understandwith our what is our

(41:43):
relationship right now.
What is our relationship?
And it's as there's room to growin our relationship, whether
it's to be a lover, whether it'sto be a friend, whether it's to
be whatever, that's determinedon you and whoever you are in
that relationship with, becausewe all have relationships, even
you calling in, we have arelationship.

(42:04):
But it's a level of differentrelationships that we have, and
you just have to be honest withyourself on setting those
boundaries.
You know, a lot of sometimes weget, you know, kind of hype,
like, oh, this dude like me orthis girl like me, this girl
over here liking me, this girl,like, come on, we got to stop
playing all that because we areplaying with people's emotion,

(42:25):
so it's like now we got to stepup and be real and like, okay,
this is my boundaries,especially when it comes to, and
I understand what she meansabout boundaries because I'm
like that when I was full-blownin it, you know, you have to set
it because if you don't, thenthat gives them permission to be
able to do with anything theywant to do to you.

SPEAKER_08 (42:46):
And put that.
It makes perfect sense becauseand again, this is this is a
piggyback on what you just said.
When you had another um adultperformer on your show um a
couple of months ago, I'm notgonna reveal their name unless
you want unless you'recomfortable with me doing so.
But I followed both of you,okay.

(43:08):
I followed both of your yourcareers over the years, and one
of the things that she hadmentioned since she's been out
of it, was the difficulty incoming across men who did not
respect her boundaries.
And I find it very interestingthat the theme, more so in this

(43:33):
loneliness topic, is theboundary aspect.
I find it very compellinglyinteresting because not a lot of
women that I've encountered, andI'm not saying universally
speaking, I'm just saying mypersonal friends that I've
encountered, make it about theirboundaries outweighs my
boundaries, that our boundariestogether synchronize.

(43:54):
And that's that's one of thethings that I am taken away as
that having that.
Empathy and apathy and sympathyaspect and dealing with someone
who has been going through somelonely periods in my adult life.
And that it's become veryemotionally challenging.

(44:15):
Not physically, but justmentally and emotionally
challenging to overcome.
Because then I have to havetrust boundary issues.
Being able to trust thevulnerability that will lead to
having you have a sex partner orto connect with you sexually in
a way that is both pleasurableand enjoyable and desirable.

(44:35):
So on that note, as always,ma'am, we thank you for letting
me come in.
Um it's a pleasure, ma'am.
Um interacting with you as well.
And I will be around when I caneach and every Thursday if
possible.

SPEAKER_10 (44:49):
I hope so, and I hope I hope you're tuning in to
next month on our mate series,Love and Mental Health.
That's gonna be an amazing,amazing series there.

SPEAKER_08 (44:57):
So and we need to talk about that because I
reached out to you about that.

SPEAKER_10 (45:01):
Yeah, and you the reason why, baby.
So I I expect to hear from you.

SPEAKER_08 (45:06):
Okay, I'm gonna shoot you an email update too
about what I also uh mentionedto you about my personal life.
I'm gonna send you an update inregards to that.
That will lead into the mentalhealth topic for next month.

SPEAKER_10 (45:18):
All right, sure thing, Jay.
Thank you so much.
You have a great one, all right?

SPEAKER_08 (45:21):
You too.

SPEAKER_10 (45:22):
All right, all right, my beautiful people.
Uh thank you, thank you forthat.
Uh Dog How Mike Mike.
Thank you for that.
All right, you back.
All right, so we can add anothercaller on here.
Uh Rockhart.
Hey, hey, hey, you gotta unmuteyourself.

SPEAKER_06 (45:49):
Hello, hello, hello, y'all.

SPEAKER_10 (45:52):
There you go.

SPEAKER_06 (45:52):
There you go.
What's going on with y'all?
How y'all living?

SPEAKER_02 (45:55):
We living well.

SPEAKER_06 (45:56):
How about you?
I'm doing all right, it's abeautiful day, nice days.

SPEAKER_02 (46:03):
You got a question.

SPEAKER_06 (46:05):
Yeah, I got a question.
Um, I know you mentioned roleplaying, right?
You mentioned that you're intorole playing.
Have you ever got like a roleplaying request that was like a
no for you?

SPEAKER_05 (46:19):
Um, I typically do everything.
The only thing I don't do isanything that involves blood,
which I've gotten requests forme to like stab myself with a
fork.
I don't know.
But like anything else to behonest, I'll do, but I don't I
don't do anything that involvesharming myself or even the
person harming themselves.

(46:41):
Um, but I'm I do a lot of taboothings that other people
wouldn't normally do.
Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (46:50):
I heard that.
How about you, Naomi?
What?
Like, have you ever like when itcame to like role-playing, like
in your career and stuff, wasthere like a level where you
were like, nope, can't do it?

SPEAKER_10 (47:02):
You know, after a while, after a while, the um the
mommy thing kind of got to me.
So then I I I would start to sayno to those type of scenes.
And actually, when I retired andI was getting a lot of um race
baiting, um, custom videosrequests.
And I remember I just said itwas like a no.

(47:23):
After a while, it was like,okay, no, I'm not gonna do this
anymore.
Um, those are the type of onesthat I would not, you know, kind
of do those.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (47:33):
All right.

SPEAKER_10 (47:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (47:35):
No, I was curious about that.
Well, you got a favorite rapper?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (47:42):
Uh I don't really, I mean, I don't really listen to
rap, to be honest.
You just assume she listened torap and clack, huh?

SPEAKER_06 (47:51):
Not at all.
You see, I asked if you got afavorite rapper.
She gave the extra.

SPEAKER_05 (47:57):
Okay, well, I should I I should say do you artists
that's what I should say.

SPEAKER_06 (48:00):
You have a favorite music artist.
Yeah, that's a better question.

SPEAKER_05 (48:04):
I have so many.
I listen to a lot of I guessDoja Cat.
The old Doja Cat.
I like her music.

SPEAKER_06 (48:12):
Yeah, I rock with Doja, she's fire.

unknown (48:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (48:16):
It's always a pleasure chatting with your dog
palm mic, Mike.
Naomi, the best.
Appreciate oh, Naomi.
I wanted to ask you.
Um, you do like um like therapysessions, like one-on-one
sessions.

SPEAKER_10 (48:29):
Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_06 (48:30):
How do you how do I reach out for one?

SPEAKER_10 (48:36):
Hit me in my DM.
You know, because I hate to saythis because everybody will be
hitting me in my DMs.
Um email me.
Email me at info ataxenaomi.com.

SPEAKER_06 (48:48):
Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_10 (48:49):
Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_06 (48:50):
Y'all have a great one.
Appreciate you always.

SPEAKER_10 (48:53):
All right, thank you, Rob.

SPEAKER_06 (48:55):
I'll be good.

SPEAKER_10 (48:57):
Bye-bye.
We are still here on Axe NaomiVirginia Gat Podcast.
I am here with the beautifulpepper cat.
If you guys have any questionsfor her, please give us a call
at 76527-51527.
That's 76527-51527.
Also, Dr.
Mike Mike had put up a link aswell.
You come on and join the um joinus, but we do have a caller on

(49:20):
the phone.
All right, hey caller.

SPEAKER_01 (49:24):
Hello, again.
Hey there, my beloved NaomiBank.
Hey, Joseph.
Happy Thursday and happy earlyEaster.
Same to you, and uh Mike Mikeand to your uh guest ever.

(49:45):
Uh if she's listening, I'm sorryfor the fact that she has a
stuttering problem, and I'm notgonna make fun of it.
I'm not gonna do some like forkypig impression.
I'm not gonna do that.
Not gonna do it.
Not gonna do it.

(50:06):
Um my question is uh even thoughuh your uh days of porn are over
uh which things or porn sexthings do you enjoy doing with
which men do you enjoy doing itwith black men, which I will not

(50:32):
be upset or have a problem withthat?
Or white men uh my questionNaomi.

SPEAKER_10 (50:53):
Okay, so Peppercat does not perform, has not
performed with um anyone as ofyet.
She just does cammy on, youknow, just cammy on her own.
And for me, there's um, youknow, I enjoyed them both.
And my tops, I have both ofthem.
I both have both men and I meanmen and women, both um black and

(51:16):
white.
It didn't make a difference onthe day that I had a scene with
them, and it was a great day.
It was a great day.
So I have my favorites, and it'scome from both.
So I never really looked at it,you know, as you know, if it was
a better, if the white guy wasbetter or the black guy was
better.
It was just it was a great day,and whoever that scene were,
whether it was Manuel or whetherit was Lex or Marcus or LT or

(51:40):
Mr.
Pete, or you understand what I'msaying?
So those are some of my tops inthere, and if you can see that
they're both black and whitemen, so I don't have a if one's
better than the other becausethey all got their own style.

SPEAKER_01 (51:58):
I wasn't sure.
But I got no problem with youdoing the scene with black men.
I'm willing to watch that orwatch a scene for you with a
white man.
I just got like I just got donewatching a classic scene a
minute ago on a porn track withyou and James Dean.

SPEAKER_10 (52:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (52:20):
From Sweet Center.

SPEAKER_10 (52:21):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, Mr.
James Dean.
Okay, okay, all right, allright, Joseph.
Well, thank you for calling inand you you have an amazing
week.

SPEAKER_01 (52:34):
Oh no, you didn't feel uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_10 (52:36):
Oh no, no, no, no, no.
I don't know if that was yourcall, but no, that that's not
what happened.
That did not happen, baby.
I know you by now, but that didnot happen.
But I want you to have anamazing weekend, all right.

SPEAKER_01 (52:48):
And one last thing.
Yes, go ahead, Joseph.
I watched uh the last twoepisodes of tonight's episode,
and you're looking uh beautifulas always, especially with the
flower in your hair.

SPEAKER_10 (53:02):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.

unknown (53:05):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (53:06):
You're welcome.
You all have a good night,especially Pepper Cat, and have
a great happy Easter.

SPEAKER_10 (53:13):
All right, you too.
Thank you.
All right, all right, mybeautiful people again.
I just thank you for justjoining us in this conversation
altogether.
Um, just period.
Peppercat, tell my listenerswhere they can see you at, where
can it follow you at?
Um, if they can get aone-on-one, you know, if they

(53:35):
wanted to with you or cam, letthem let them know.
Let them know.

SPEAKER_05 (53:40):
Sure.
You can visitdesignerdreamgirl.com.
That's my main hub for my socialmedia, adult sites, phone sex,
um, porn videos.
If you're interested, just visitdesignerdreamgirl.com and you
can find me literally anywhere.

SPEAKER_10 (54:01):
All right, that's beautiful.
Beautiful.
I see all of my BTG crew, andI'm gonna thank you all for just
tuning in.
I thank you for all the callsthat came through.
Um, thank you all for thecontinued support.
I want to remind you guys ofnext um month in May is a uh
really special month for usbecause we are truly dedicating

(54:22):
the whole entire month to loveand mental health.
Um, and we definitely have someamazing guests that's coming on
from therapists.
Dr.
Will, our um resident therapist,will be here every week of May.
And um I I can't wait for that.
I yeah, it's gonna be a goodone.
Again, Miss Peppercat, thank youand congratulations on the AVN

(54:45):
nomination, baby, and thepodcasting world over there.
And again, beautiful people, ifyou need any love, sex,
relationship advice, you knowwhere to hit us up.
If you don't, it's at axnyomi atgmail.com.
And I'll spell Naomi for you.
That's N-Y-O-M-I at gmail.com.
And if you have a story that youwant to share, you want to be a

(55:07):
part of our May series, you canemail us at axnaomi at gmail.com
and in the subject line put umMay series, May series on there.
All right, and do you have anylast words, Doc on my mind?

SPEAKER_07 (55:21):
Nope, none at all.
Great show, great, greatmeaning, pepper, and we're gonna
have to get you back againtalking about the male
loneliness because dog pal ain'tlonely.

SPEAKER_10 (55:34):
Well, again, until next week, wehave another amazing guest
coming.
And as I always say, be good toone another and yourselves, and
always keep it sexy.
Have an amazing, amazing day.

SPEAKER_09 (55:46):
Well, that is the wrap foranother episode of Axe Naomi
Breaking Again.
And I hope today's conversationhas a beautiful and gave you the
tools to elevate your love lifeto the next level.
And I want to remember thattransformation doesn't have to
have this one conversation, onechoice, and one moment of every

(56:09):
time.
So you have a lot of people Ithink that's a good time.

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