October 28, 2025 • 55 mins
This episode of Black Thought explores barriers to voting for Cleveland’s minority communities, citing low turnout, disconnect with representatives, illiteracy, lack of investment, and feelings of powerlessness. Speakers call for electoral reform, stronger community investment, and active civic engagement, urging listeners to become stakeholders in local politics. The discussion also highlights the ties between business and government, the need for balance, and the importance of understanding local issues, while sharing live voter turnout updates and encouraging participation.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is WOVU Studios. People, good afternoon, this is the
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five point nine FM. Man, we are having a wonderful day,
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and listen. I'm hoping you are also, and listen. I
want to admonish you. Please listen here. Get out and vote,
Get out and vote. Listen. I just got some I
was listening to another program just before hours and only
so far at noon today, only about eighteen hundred people
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in the city of Cleveland have gotten out to vote.
Come on, we gotta do better than this. And I
was just Chris. Chris. Chris Style is in the studio
with us today and Chris, I was just looking at this.
Let's see here, No I went, I got it over here.
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I got it here. As as of September twenty twenty five,
the US Supreme Court is considering cases that impact the
enforcement and scope of the Voting i Acts Right of
nineteen sixty five, particularly Section two, which prohibits racial discrimination
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in voting. The Court is poised to make rulings that
could further weaken or gut the Voter's Rights Act. Protections.
Following the previous landmark decisions of the Shelby County versus
Holder twenty thirteen, which invalidated key enforcement mechanisms of the Act,
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notably the preclearance requirements in Section five. Recent cases involved
challenge just to the state's effort to comply with the
VRA by creating majority minority electoral districts, for example, in
Louisiana versus Callias. The Supreme Court is evaluating whether such
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efforts to remedy past racial votes dissolutions amount to unconstitutional
racial germandering. Ruling against these measures could severely limit the
ability to enforce and the anti discrimination protections under the VRE,
undermining minority voters ability to elect representations. And so we're
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moving the Supreme Court is poised to move us back
to taxation without representation or the poll tax, all right,
and or I don't know if you know about it, Chris,
But at one time some of the questions was like
how many bubbles are in the borrow soap? You know?
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And if you couldn't answer, you wouldn't be given a ballot.
And these kinds of iniquities are being poised again to
be enacted against us, and so we have to be
sure that we began to get out and take care
of our responsibility when I was When I was a
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young man, you could not vote until you were twenty
one years old, but you could be drafted. And so
there was a movement. If I can be drafted to
fight for the country at eighteen years old, why can't
I vote at eighteen years old? Oh, yes, yes it
does that's okay, And so they moved it. And back
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when I was able to vote, you got in some places,
some businesses closed the whole day and let the staffs off.
Other businesses you got half a day. You could either
get off an in morning to go vote, or get
off in the afternoon to go vote. And so these
kinds of things. You know that we have allowed the
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business world to dictate the parameters in which we can vote.
And in many instances I need sometimes we need to
tell to tell our businesses we will not do business
with you unless you are supportive of the people. We
the people of the people, a government of the people
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for the people and body people.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Do you think voting become more of a routine formality now,
like when we talk about the numbers are low of
voting and seem like and we just focus on national
things and not local things, because when the national turn
to go national voting, oh man, it gets crazy. It
gets all types of money laundering. At listen, that's saying
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it is and not I'm talking a tongue of cheek, but.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
A lot of money.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You've been put into politics and were talking about national things. Yes,
everybody knows the information. So national running where we're talking
about the US sitting and the US House, that goes
like crazy, and the voter actually it goes up in
the national, but we're talking about local it goes back down,
which all the workings of the government really happens when
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we're talking about the government, individual, states, local and regional.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I think, Chris, I think that when I'm concerned about
what happens in my backyard, I'll be equally concerned about
what goes on downtown. But if I'm not concerned about
what goes on in my backyard, you know, Okay, So
I feel that one of the things I feel that's
missing is when I grew up, you had to have
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Civics to graduate, you had to have a course in government,
all right, and so you got to understand whether it's
right or wrong. You know, whether it was skewed or not,
you did get a view of the government, how it worked,
and you were charged with participating, and you look forward
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to participating. I think now we have become we have
become too comfortable in our misery, so to speak. I'm
even the whole the whole country, black, white, green, or purple.
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You know, we've just become comfortable. And even even in
those other communities, they're not voting at the levels that
they once did. And then you have the younger people
who feel that they have influence other than through the ballot.
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I feel falsely, all right, they have falsely have an
influence other other than the ballot. And what what's going
on in Washington, d C. If we perc If if
we all uh all ethnicities continue to allow it to happen,
we're all gonna find ourselves on the same boat, uh
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and without a paddle, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I I I just think they're they're.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's just a weird.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Time we are in, you know, time of transition there
it is.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We're a time of transition.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
What we wanna be as a country, what we want
to be as a state, What we wanna be as
a city, what we wanna be as a regional county.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Ethic, and what we wanna be as a people.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
As a people, I think all these ideas and ideologies
are just coming to a head and just clashing with
everything of trying to figure out, oh, how we used
to be or how we are now, and and the
the concessions we're making.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, the reality for me, the reality of what that
we live in today is much different than the reality
of some other folk. We we see, we we're involved
in a where because of control, our culture, even our
language has been broken, and so our reality is different
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than than than today. Our reality is different than the
other groups of people as they quote unquote move forward.
We're trying to We're still in the process. I'm not
trying to catch up, but to take and and and
move into a position of self determination and to leave
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the old definitions that some other people have placed on us,
all right, and and and come up with our our
definitions all knew, okay, But be in a position to
determine our destinies ourselves without having to depend on to
give up that dependency on them. If that makes sense, No.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That makes sense. Also, I think we didn't we talk
about any lot of things politics, business, or a lot
of things this life period. I don't think they foresaw
or was looking ten to fifteen years, twenty years ahead.
I think our found days was broken and broken a
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long time ago with politics and within people. Because now
a lot of people just don't care. They just like,
let me just live a good life and just leave
me alone. I don't care about what your god going on.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I don't care about what they next person got going on.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Just leave me and minds alone if it doesn't affect me, period,
because you guys don't help me. You guys didn't break me.
And then you have other people who says I need
help what the government's gonna do for me? You have
other people saying I don't want to govern any of
my business.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I just think everything and just talk about local.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
What do the politicians and I'm just talking about I'm
not just talking about the council people, talking about the judges.
I'm talking about the Ohio Center all that. What do
they know about the common folk? Like what they need?
Because you got people up there saying, okay, this is
what you need. I'm telling you what you need.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Time after time in my life, both in my family
and other people's family I've had I've watched children, babies,
infants down on the floor with toys, and I've given
my son his toys. I've given my daughter her toys,
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and my son would look over all right at my
daughter's toys and want hers, and my daughter would look
over at my son's toys, they want his. They never
was satisfied with what they had. They wanted what's the
other ones? Our business world is like that. They controlled
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ninety eight percent of everything in this country, and they
want more, and I know there's not When there's only
two percent left, you know, there's not too much more
that they can get unless they don't want us to
have anything at all. But if you don't let us
have anything at all, what are you going to be
able to consume?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay? Because okay, because there will be no consumers, all right.
And so we need to take and limit the impact
and influence that the business world has on us. I believe,
I believe, and I've said this, I've been saying this
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now for the last twenty years. There needs to be
revamping of the electoral process. And that is you take
and draw a grid down the state a grid equal grid.
We have say twenty districts in Ohio, okay, so you
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take and build that grid, so their twenty districts and
that's your district and you leave it. People then can
move in and out of grids depending on you know,
how they want to live, how they want to decide
their destiny. But now the grids are equal, you have
equal representation, all right. I believe also that for instance,
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you have what four hundred, well you have one hundred.
You have one hundred senators, all right, So each state
would get two senator senators, one Republican, one Democrat. Don't
have to worry about you know, you're gonna have two
your Your Your priority becomes which who who you're going
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to have for your Democrat you if you're a Democrat,
who you're gonna have as a Republican each of your
your uh like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, they would get
to d C would get too, all right. Uh, So
that would give you about one hundred and ten. Then
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whoever the president is, all right, the Speaker of the
House would be divided the same way. Then whoever the
president is, then the Speaker of the House would have
to be of that party. Whoever the president was. The Senate,
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all right, would have to be the opposite party. The
president of the Senate would have to be the opposite
of the opposite party. That way, you kind of bring
a balance, you know, into your government, and you I
feel you get real representation now, okay, because no one
has overwhelming influence on the other in your Congress, all right,
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the same thing in your Supreme Court. All right, you
have nine justices, all right, you would have four Democrats,
four Republicans, and one independent. Hmm, all right. That independent
would probably be would always have to be the chief
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Justice if I'm making sense, all right? Uh, And therefore,
based on ideology perception of the constitution, decisions would be made. However,
the Supreme Court is not the body to determine legislation, correct.
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They are the body to determine whether a decision is
constitutional or not.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Your Congress is your legislative or lawmaking entity, all right,
and that therein lies should lie all right, your legislation,
and then your your Supreme Court would decide whether that
legislation was constitutional or not. But not they're not lawmakers, no, Okay.
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If I'm making sense.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Making all the sense that they would never do that.
It's too too smart to do and nobody has an advantage.
And we were talking about right and I'm talking about vanished.
We were talking about the pharmacystal companies, and we go
back to the big businesses.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
We make the decision.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Who's funding a lot of these candidates, and they have
promises they have to uphold, you know, and then it's
come down to I always say, come down to a
local level with things, because local level affect us immediately.
Right now, we're talking about the previous show. While the
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ninety six percent of the people is not voting yet
still you know, that's a huge number. In some wards,
that's a huge number. Yes, like ninety six percent. Only
four percent of people are coming out to vote. But
yet people still complain things that is going on, Incidents
happens downtown, and I see a lot of online talking
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about it, and they say, well, the mayor's not doing this.
The mayor he's not a good mayor. But did you
go out and vote or you talk about he's not
a good mayor. You live, you live in Maple Heights.
He talked about not a good mayor, but you live
in Garfield.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like, let me take it one step forward. You talking
about he's not a good mayor, But an elected official
is a servant and representative of the people, and they
derive their power from the people. So the mayor works
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for me, all right, in the city that I live in.
And if I don't give him any instructions, if I
give a servant, if I don't give my servant instructions,
then my servant is free to do whatever he wants
to do, if I mean, all right, And so how
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many times have you called your mayor and or wrote
your mayor and tell and told him, gave him instructions.
I remember when the Klan wanted the march and down
town Cleveland, I call me mayor White, Mayor White. You know,
I understand where you are. I agree with you, all right.
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But they have the right the freedom of speech and
to walk the streets of Cleveland. And if you violate
their rights, then you can come back and violate mine,
all right. And so, whether I liked it or not,
the decision he had he made for the constitutionality of
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all the people. It was a proper decision, but as
a black man, I didn't like it. If I'm making sense,
all right.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But that's my whole thing of how many of the
people go down to the city council to their meetings. Yes,
so it's a lot of process of I think it's
a couple of things. Things are being suppressed for a reason,
information is being supressed for a reason, and play on
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people ignorance, and so if they don't know, we're not
going to tell, right, we can still be able to
control somebody think it's about power and end of the
day is about power. How could I move and control
people and control assets that we have?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You control where you are first? Correct? All right? Then
all right? Then as you can gain control right where
you are, you begin to move and control you know,
the things that you couldn't control. You begin to invade
those areas if you will, okay, so that that you
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can get more and more. But if you don't control
where you are, you know, it's difficult to control anything else.
If I'm making sense.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So how do you get people out to vote? Because
its vote today We're going to talk about a little
bit voting too.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Why is I gonna ask you the question, why is
it only four percent people? Why is it devoting so
low one hundred and fifty people voting, maybe a total
one thousand people going to vote.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
To well, well, maybe it's because everybody's waiting. Many of
people will wait to get off work to see after yea,
even at.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
The end of that, so maybe only fifteen hundred people vote.
Let's say fifteen and three thousand people vote, right.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well, you know again, the who who who prevails may
may not be that important to my today reality during it. Okay,
all right, whether you know like I'm okay, I'm I'm
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I operate in Ward one, okay. And so there are
many of the people in Ward one who are dissatisfied
with the leadership, the political leadership, however, that are available
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to run against the present leadership have embarked upon a
uh negative campaign. And I know the the culture award
one will not does not tolerate negative campaigns. Okay, that's
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that's one of the things. And so many of the
people said, okay, I don't want him say, but I
can't vote for any of the other people because of
the negative campaigning.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Have you seen anything and you can talk about your
award any of any kind of saying what I'm going
to do for our award.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about,
no vision. But they want to talk about what's not
being done, okay by the incumbent and pointing out his flaws,
was potential flaws, okay, and indis possible indiscretions, rather than
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coming up all right, that that's one thing. The other
thing is that, for instance, sixty people, sixty percent of
the people in that war does not want the incumbent,
all right, But that means that the incumbent has forty
percent of the people who want, you know, who want
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to stand by him. But you got five people running
for the sixty percent, all right, then you got potentially,
you know that that sixty percent split up to the
point where he's he's got a forty percent that will
defeat all the efforts of that other five people. I
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hope I'm making percent, you know, you make all of it, okay,
all right? And so that so rather than the five
coming to other and saying, listen, we represent sixty percent
of the war, let us decide among ourselves, you know,
which one of us, all right, is going to be
moved forward, and then the other four will take and
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the influence that we have and put it behind that
one person. Now, okay, you got sixty percent against this
forty percent, you can move it. But everybody has their
own agenda, their own self interest, their own potential image influence,
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and what I'm thinking, their sense of power. Okay, that
they they can't collectively bring those powers, all those attributes
together under one campaign and defeat.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Do you think when they talk about negative right, the
negative campaign, do you think that is become a national
thing because it's a higher level, right, That's all you
see now, I always say, and no shade to Kamala
Harris right. Comics can not come out of Kamala Harris right.
But my thing was always okay, you can tell me.
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We all know what at the time when they're running
Trump was bad. But you never told us what was
your plan. I think a lot of people understood, like, okay,
we know this. A lot of cannons never tell us
what's your plan.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't want to hear the plan. See, that's for me.
I want you to come to me and ask me,
you know, collectively, what you know, what's what's what's my
vision for my community? And then you take it a
court when you come to the people all right, and
get their vision, their collective vision. Now, this is what
I stand on and when I go, when I go
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to whatever body that I'm representing them, man, I now
take the community's vision.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
After you do that, like after you do research the
field research and what they do, and then you say, okay,
this is my place, this is my execution.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yes, okay, this is the game plan.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I'm gonna ask you, this is.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
The this is the community which I represent. This is
their collective.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Execute And when you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
That way, okay, rather than my plan, all right, it's
my community's plan, right right. And and I.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Think so now because you have the community involved, they
feel invested.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You have their input, you have their priorities, all right,
and now there now they're now real stakeholders, all right,
And what happens in the community. And I believe that's
that's what we don't do, is that we don't build
real stakeholders in the community.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
At the time, what politics, uh, we've created it was
credit again and you were voted on from the people, correct,
and you find it feel the sense of community.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But now we're getting canidates that a don't live in
the community, just happen to move there, get a house there.
You don't live there, right, they don't, they don't know.
And it seemed like politice is becoming more of a job,
of a career than really being a self serfect. When
we talk about being a politician serving the people, it's
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almost like social work, right, like a thankless job, right
that I'm drawing to people lives to be better. It
seemed like politics has become I want to be a
career council person.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Well that's because at one time, DJ, at one time,
count of the elected officials could not make any more
money than the people they represented, all right, and so therefore,
all right, uh, they had to they almost had to
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go back and represent what the people wanting. Now it's
a lucrative job, all right, and you got to stipe
in to have to travel and maybe stay doing legislative sessions,
and the legislative sessions work all year. But now you
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have people going to college becoming attorneys taking policy, all right,
so that they can take and make careers out of
being a public official. And so rather than really representing
the people, you have carved a place out for a
career for yourself, rather than really being an elected official
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that serves the people.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So do you think that it could be an issue
right now while people are and vote now because you
don't feel like they're being.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Served, not being served, and that you're here and I'm here,
that's it, okay, and you're missing me and I can't.
I can't, I really can't see you because ain't Jane
who has the fourth grade education die hypothetically? And that, well,
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let's examine that because in the city of Cleveland, that
of DJ is a issue because you have sixty six
percent of the adults in Cleveland who are functionally illiterate
case Western Reserve March twenty first, twenty twenty one survey. Okay,
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and in some words, you have as much as ninety
five percent of the people who are functionally illiterate. So one,
I can't even sign my name to get a ballot,
and if I can't, for the most part, I can't
even read the ballot, So why should I bother that?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And I also also say, how are you approving my livelihood?
Does that make sense? Like, how are you approving.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
My quality of life?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think every day I think that I think that
becomes a community, that becomes a community effort rather than
the politician, all right, because when I when the community
comes together and say this is the quality of life
we want, all right, and we're gonna send you to
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represent us, you know, Okay, all right, all right, okay,
all right, So it becomes I lived on a little
street called Mona, uh now where King Kennedy is now. Okay,
we used to be King, yeah right, used to well, well,
it used to be my neighborhood. They tore my neighborhood
down to be King to Bill King Kennedy, all right.
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But it was sixteen houses on the street that represented
maybe twenty five thirty families because some of the dwellings
had multiple families in And so we came together and
we talked and we supported one another. We knew what
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the needs okay of one another, okay, and we worked
together for the common good. So it was a Republican neighborhood,
all right. Counselman Car Car Burton Bell Carr. Counselman Car
was our councilman back then. It was Ward seventeen. We
had thirty one wards back then because of the population
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of Cleveland. But we came together and we determined what
we wanted for our neighborhood, all right, and then he
came to the city council and did the best that
he could. I see things going on not going on today,
all right. In the summertime, it wasn't a day hardly
that you didn't have a street sweeper sweeping your streets down.
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H all right. You had you had people, You had
people who had jobs, who had the little of the garbage,
garbage cans on wheels, garbage on wheel. Yeah, they had
garbage cans on wheels, all right, and they had uh
the streets sweeping brushes right and and shovels and all right. Uh,
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just you know, just uh to keep I mean you know,
you this was in the black, so you didn't you
didn't have trash and and and and and litter you
know on the streets. Uh, because we had those kinds
of services going on. But now you know, for the
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sake of the budget, okay, uh, we we're eliminating those
things or.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The sense of pride of the neighborhood, right.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, that helped because you had someone because you know,
you know, something inadvertently flies out your hand, you know. Uh,
and and so those things we we I don't know,
we had garbins. We had a fifty five of a
guy in garbage can in our in our yard, and
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you took your trash out and that was burnable, you burned. Okay,
we wrapped our garbage, you know, wrapped it up and everything.
You didn't just dump it. Had garbage trucks open, open
bed garbage trucks. And it seems like, oh, the kinds
of uh, the kinds of system that we had in
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place better served the communities than than than all progresses
and all all modern trends.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Our progress right, you know, because we had a conversation,
like I said the program before about uh voting, pride
and and and getting people out there in information, and
we're talking about for black And I love this show
Black Thoughts because it's talk about black people and let's
talk about us.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
When are we just.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Going to control our own destiny when it comes to
this voting, when it comes to the city of let's
talk about the city of Cleveland. Let's get real city
of Cleveland. It's a lot of black folks that live
in the City of Cleveland and any ring suburbs. At
some point we got to come together and just make
it our own. Like we get at some point with
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the councilman and counsel woman, whenever were going to make
this side of the town ours.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Like ours?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
When when when uh, let's let's go here, let's go
to let's go here, now, let's go here. There are
people who are willfully and skillfully irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The skillful irresponsible people who are people who have not
been taught or trained to be responsible. They don't know how. Right.
Then you have the willful irresponsible people who don't want
to be responsible because it means they have to give
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up being the victim. We can't blame somebody else for
the lack of our taking part, all right. So when
we take and be and make sure that we have
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the people who are skillfully irresponsible are taught how to
be responsible, we can take and circumvent, all right. Because
we can take and I want to be careful how
I say this, We can take a work of around
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the wilful okay, irresponsible. We can work around them to
the point where they almost would have to acquiesce. You know,
I'll give you again. I was diabolically opposed to giving
tax incentives to businesses that wanted to come into Cleveland.
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You know, if your business is not strong enough to
pay taxes, then go somewhere else. Right, we don't need those.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
They always get taxes.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, but we want businesses that are thriving to the
point where they can pay their fair share of the
taxes so that we don't have to take and carry
them and making sense, that makes sense yet, okay, And
so when we take that, the Browns want to go,
let them. Okay, we don't want you, because that means
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I don't have to clean up the mess the sewer,
all right, all all the mess and stuff you leave,
you know downtown, you know, the stuff blowing around. Okay,
you know I don't have to. I don't have to
process the sewage from the stadium. See that. There's more
to having a stadium than there's some people coming and
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watching the game. All right, I gotta process the water,
you know, I got you know, the water that comes
in got to be purified, the sewage got to be
taken care of. Because of the the traffic, the streets
have to be repaired more often because you have the traffic,
additional traffic, so it cost the city a whole lot more,
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all right. And then I remember when I got back here,
from from living in Texas for a while. Uh rich
what is the Richfield Arena at Richfield? Okay? Well the
calves pay played, all right, and so to go out
there and have a couple of beers, and the ritual
police will be sitting there waiting, all right, Oh yeah, yes,
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wait for you. Yeah. Uh huh. You can't even enjoy
yourself and have a couple of beers, all right, And
you got to navigate a twenty a half hour forty
five minute ride to come back, all right home, and
there's you know, more often to get you. So there's
some things going on, all right that we are unaware of,
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because there is an element who has been behind the scenes,
closed doors, all right, making plans to control, to domesticate,
all right, and we have when certain elements get quiet,
I get to observing on what's going on, and I
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go to trying to make some plans to counter what
I think might be coming. If I'm making sense, makes sense, okay.
And so we see the opportunity corridor, for instance, we
know that there's not a plan from downtown to about
one hundred and twenty fifth Street, all right to take
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it take it back, especially along the lake. What are
we doing all right to be able to take advantage
of it? Okay, rather than oh man, that's nice.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Now, I go right.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I was listen because I stayed, because I used to
work on the west side, to stay the west.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I think the.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Corridor was the fabulous idea because it does save you,
like thirty minutes. Even say I live in South Viega.
From south to get to the west side one hundred
and thirtyth it saves me fifteen to twenty min yes,
has and then no cars there.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Man, oh man, really showing up.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Its sablous idea. But it does cut through what ward five,
It does cut through what our neighborhoods. So to your point,
how can we make this benefited us?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Deep Elm in Dallas, The same thing happened to deep
Ellen l E l l u M Deep Elm in Dallas.
And what they did, they did it in the name
of progress. They cut the highway with the highways and
you know, development the name of development progress, same thing
that's happening here. But how can we make this work
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all right in our favor?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
And that's the that's the and that goes back to
us being in the room for those conversations.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
M hm, we come together, all right. Ourselves will have
to be I say, I'm tired of going to the room,
going to the table, trying to tell them how to
treat me. Right, let us come together. We know how
to treat one another, right if we choose to. Well,
let us come together and going to take it and
becoming developers and developer.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Okay, that's the key. That's the case. All right.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So now we can take and go to Fairfax all
right and say, okay, Fairfax, we have come together with
community investment and now we have X amount of dollars,
all right, and now we want this property and we're
going to develop it.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
See it's those kinds of things that we need to
be doing. We can go to Glenville and set the
Glenville Development Corporation all right and say, hey, listen, we
have two million, five millions were buying this property and
we want to build. Go to Ward one. We have
two development corporations or it's a new Day and the Harvard,
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the Lee Harvard Development Corporation, which my wife is the
director of. Right now, okay, ms Goldstein, miss sample, Okay,
here's X millions of dollars from the community investment right
process that we can take and and do some things.
Now we're beginning to control what we can control now
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that can be that can spread. Hmmm. So we did
that in Collingwood, if we did it in Glenville, if
we did it in Fairfax, we did it in Mount Pleasant,
and we did it in the Lee Harvard area. Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So what are so at some point we need to
do that and get because this is a food desert
over here, somebody figure it out all this land and
build a reliable and real cross.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Okay, So then why don't we get in touch with
the Black Grosses Association? See huh, all right, but we
have to have some money to come to the table with.
So so ken Ward five, War five, You know how
about Ward five has to have each Ward has to
have twenty five thousand people in Okay, So if I
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can get five dollars a month thout twenty five cents
a week from each resident and war on the average
of each resident in War five five times twenty five thousand,
look what that does. And I do it for a
month for I mean every month for a year. Look
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at the kind of base I have? All right, now
to come in as and what we do. We used
to what you call the nominal method. All right, everybody
comes into a room. What's your priorities? List to priority.
Everybody priority goes on the list. Then the group votes
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on what number one through number one? Say you got
one hundred, what number one is? What number one hundred is?
All right? Now everybody's priority is there?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
The group has decided which one's gonna be worked on first.
All right, But we now know that at least my
concern is there. All right. And now I'm must stakeholder.
That's the keys, and I'm gonna give my five dollars
a month, all right because I'm now a stakeholder and participant.
My my priority is number one hundred. But I'm in game.
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If I'm making if I'm making sense.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But that you're in the game, you feel like you're
part of something, you're getting something out of it. Okay,
I'm vested in it, that's right. I invested in.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It, yes, all right? And now all right, now I'm man,
this is this is I'm part of this. You know,
I'm you know, I'm not looking at the counselman. I'm
part of this, all right, and not till the counselman
you go somewhere and sit down if he if he's
not pushing that agenda that we have decided. Now I
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have a I have a greater sense of control of
my community, my destiny and self determination.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'm gonna try to get these election results or like
not election results, but live.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay, how many? How many is are voted? So far?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Trying to find a site to get I don't know
what site to find it at should be?
Speaker 3 (44:15):
What is it the.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Board of Elections of Kyahoga County dot com, something like that.
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I'm gonna find it. Trust me, we're going to look
at it. We're going to find it and make sure
we get these numbers. Who people coming out? Because again
view oh therego right there view live voters turn out
right now by city, Here we go.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Ward one?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
This is live as of six right now by city
going to Ward one. Eligible voters eighteen thousand, eighteen one
and thirty three early voting absentee five under and sixty
six Election Day five and seventeen turnout six percent okay,
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five fourteen thousand eligible voters look over like fourteen three,
fourteen three hundred four people early voting four hundred three
election day right now, one hundred and ninety that's four
percent seven nineteen two undred ninety two early voting four
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hundred and twelve election.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Day five hundred and forty two.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Eight over seventeen thousand, three hundred eight early voting two
hundred thirty one election.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Day so far. That's three percent turnout so far.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Still early nineteen thousand for war nine, four hundred and
four hundred twenty six early voting three hundred and thirty
one election day. That's the three point eight percent turnout.
And number twelve ward twelve fifteen thousand, little fifteen thousand,
a fortunate two early voting four indud is seventeen actually
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day five percent.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Try to look at seventeen. It's crazy. Look at seventeen
right now.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
They don't have seventeen on here. Okay, this is as
of today. That's crazy. In the city of Cleveland, period
is one hundred and twenty one early eligible voters twenty
eight one hundred over a little bit over twenty eight
one hundred early voting twenty four hundred election day. That's
four percent turnout. Yeah, and that's just not that's just
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not the city of Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I mean, you know, just across the country.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
We can go to lake who I like to think
about Lakewood. See the Lakewood and I don't know what
they're voting for. I could probably look.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
That up at some point.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Lakewood eligible voters. They only got nine to sixty three
elgible voters. I don't know who is voting, but it's
way more than nine sixty three people living. Yeah, twenty
six of them early voting, twenty seven for the day
of turnout, six percent turnout.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Let's go to Cleveland Heights. See, that's a hot race.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Cleveland Heights eligible voters. And I ain't get it to
who's doing what, but I was just going. I went
by city for so far, just elgebra voters. Two thousand
of them was early voting and three thousand and four
election day, so a fourteen percent okay, you know, and
that is a highly yeah, that's yeah, okay, that's tested, Yeah,
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highly contested race.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So far.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
We know what's going down over in Cleveland Heights. And yes, yeah,
it's getting busy over there, yeah, very yeah, very it's
getting busy cleftd Heights. But Cleveland itself is just not
an early.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Well again again again, you have Cleveland. You have people
working job two jobs, and in many instances, uh, and
that's something else at me. You know, the average income
of Cleveland is about twenty six thousand dollars a year, okay,
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and so many people will have to work two jobs,
all right, unless they have somebody you know with them,
you know. And so you have some people who won't
be able to vote because hey, I got to hit
it and then when I get off this job, I
got to go straight to the other job. So those
are some things. Also, the average income in Cleveland is
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way below, way below the do you do the The
poverty level is twenty thousand dollars a year, and so
you got people working in Cleveland who's just six thousand
dollars above the poverty level.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Also, we get look at the generation thing, and I
would say, I'm forty seven, So I say my generation
are the voting generation now right, and the ones that
are older than me are phasing now right, even though yeah,
there tying out or anything's not right. So so for
the core of it, between my generation, my age, and
the ration, we are the voters. And I really believe
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my generation is really and below I just don't care anymore.
I just think that it's a disconnect that we don't care.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And I think that's why these numbers.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I was taught to talk to my wife about. They said,
Cleveland numbers of populations going down, and as we were
taught to have a conversation about it, and I said, well,
part of it is the numbers. It looks like it's
going on because nobody feels out the census. We don't
know who really lives in Cleveland. We don't know because
(49:40):
I know a lot of people who moved in Cleveland,
who have been living in Cleveland twenty years and never
done the census.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
They like, I'm not from Cleveland. I don't got to
do all that. We understand like we are transient city
right now to some degree.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I have a degree, but I have I can go
back to another period.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, well go ahead, Okay, no, because you're here.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Right, Okay, yeah, okay, So I go back to another
period when we had but we could not We could
not live in Maple Heights, we could not live in Garfield,
we could not live in Seouland. We cannot live in Bedford,
we can not live in Bedford Heights. We cannot live
in Mayfield, all right, we cannot live in East Cleveland,
Cleveland Heights, Shaker, all of these places were off limits.
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So when you take maybe take the black people who
have moved out of the city into the suburbs and
bring them back, look what our population would be, right right? Okay?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
True?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
All right, So you have many people they're they're they're
leaving Cleveland, but they have the benefit of the urban setting,
but they're living in the suburbs. Yeah, okay, so you
have that too.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
But also are generally people just not you know, I
know a lot.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
We don't have a lot of homeowners, right because yeah,
because there's housing stock has has depleted, you know, uh yeah, okay, we.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Don't have a lot of homeowners.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
We do have a lot of property owners who don't
live in the city of Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, so you got that.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Part of it.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
You got people who own probably don't live in Cleveland.
You got people who were riders who are not doing
the census, you get people who are not doing the voting.
So all this goes into our numbers. Look like it's
very low.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But how do I buy? But again, how do I
buy a house?
Speaker 3 (51:28):
All Right?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
On twenty six thousand dollars a year, you know, it don't.
It doesn't put me, It can't even put me in
with an average house. Note nowadays, you know, most housing stock,
a good house, you know, good housing stock will run
you about one hundred thousand dollars a year, A little
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bit more than that by hundred hundred hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars, you know, on the east, on the
in the urban setting. Okay, how do I buy one
hundred thousand dollars house on twenty six thousand dollars a year? Right?
Speaker 2 (52:05):
But again, and it goes to all that goes into
not and it goes back to the beginning of the voting.
All this listen, other thing we talk about goes right
back to.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
The voting.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Right, It goes back to get out there and vote
while people are not voting, while we need to vote.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Is what have you done for me?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
How does you help me out? How do I go
from the property level making twenty six?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
So? How do I help you out when you haven't
told me what you need? Was? That is? Two you
get me?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Two way street?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah? Okay, right, okay, two way street. I love to
talk to black get that.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
This is not my therapy. Guys, I don't get out
of this conversation. We you know, we agree, we disagree,
but we have the information out there, right, and we
talk about two different generations. Uh doctors forty years forty years.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Older than me.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
I'm eighty six years old.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
He's forty years old.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, thirty nine Okay, but that's he's four decades. So
that means he's giving me a perspective. Now, love talking
to him because it gives me perspective. Listen, this is
how it was. And I said, well, this is how
it is now. But you can see where we meet
in the middle middle because.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
We're the commed denominator with a common denominator.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Because he said this how it was, Well, this is
where disconnected, and this is where we're going. This is
what we should do, because we need to take a
little bit what happened during your time. Then we need
to take a little bit what's happening.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yes, have no right, So everything old ain't bad, everything
new ain't good.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
Okay, you kind of mix it together and you build
what you build now takes what's bad, Take what was
good from the old, take what's good from the new,
bring them together all right, and this is this is all.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
We've been trying to do.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
We'll be trying to say, but nobody want to.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Listen to us. Wrap it up? Go ahead, all right
for listening. You have been listening to Black Thought and
everything was changed. You're on you ov you with the
rabbi and the DJ Chris styles. You know, we want
to leave you with the thought. Oh, by the way, Sapphire,
all right, belieated, Happy birthday to Sapphire.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Happy birth all right?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Uh and and Uni who is over at friendly end.
We hope you have a good a good workout there.
People listen, we want you to get out and vote.
Come on, let's go take care of our business for ourselves,
so that if things go bad on us, we can
say we we did everything that we were supposed to do,
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and so then we can take a different, a different posture.
All right, until next time. This is the Rabbi saying,
I will drink from my part of the river and
no one shall keep me from it until next time.
Chris and the Rabbi saying shalom habah. This is w
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and listen. I'm hoping you are also, and listen. I
want to admonish you. Please listen here. Get out and vote,
Get out and vote. Listen. I just got some I
was listening to another program just before hours and only
so far at noon today, only about eighteen hundred people
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in the city of Cleveland have gotten out to vote.
Come on, we gotta do better than this. And I
was just Chris. Chris. Chris Style is in the studio
with us today and Chris, I was just looking at this.
Let's see here, No I went, I got it over here.
(01:07):
I got it here. As as of September twenty twenty five,
the US Supreme Court is considering cases that impact the
enforcement and scope of the Voting i Acts Right of
nineteen sixty five, particularly Section two, which prohibits racial discrimination
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in voting. The Court is poised to make rulings that
could further weaken or gut the Voter's Rights Act. Protections.
Following the previous landmark decisions of the Shelby County versus
Holder twenty thirteen, which invalidated key enforcement mechanisms of the Act,
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notably the preclearance requirements in Section five. Recent cases involved
challenge just to the state's effort to comply with the
VRA by creating majority minority electoral districts, for example, in
Louisiana versus Callias. The Supreme Court is evaluating whether such
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efforts to remedy past racial votes dissolutions amount to unconstitutional
racial germandering. Ruling against these measures could severely limit the
ability to enforce and the anti discrimination protections under the VRE,
undermining minority voters ability to elect representations. And so we're
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moving the Supreme Court is poised to move us back
to taxation without representation or the poll tax, all right,
and or I don't know if you know about it, Chris,
But at one time some of the questions was like
how many bubbles are in the borrow soap? You know?
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And if you couldn't answer, you wouldn't be given a ballot.
And these kinds of iniquities are being poised again to
be enacted against us, and so we have to be
sure that we began to get out and take care
of our responsibility when I was When I was a
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young man, you could not vote until you were twenty
one years old, but you could be drafted. And so
there was a movement. If I can be drafted to
fight for the country at eighteen years old, why can't
I vote at eighteen years old? Oh, yes, yes it
does that's okay, And so they moved it. And back
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when I was able to vote, you got in some places,
some businesses closed the whole day and let the staffs off.
Other businesses you got half a day. You could either
get off an in morning to go vote, or get
off in the afternoon to go vote. And so these
kinds of things. You know that we have allowed the
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business world to dictate the parameters in which we can vote.
And in many instances I need sometimes we need to
tell to tell our businesses we will not do business
with you unless you are supportive of the people. We
the people of the people, a government of the people
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for the people and body people.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Do you think voting become more of a routine formality now,
like when we talk about the numbers are low of
voting and seem like and we just focus on national
things and not local things, because when the national turn
to go national voting, oh man, it gets crazy. It
gets all types of money laundering. At listen, that's saying
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it is and not I'm talking a tongue of cheek, but.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
A lot of money.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You've been put into politics and were talking about national things. Yes,
everybody knows the information. So national running where we're talking
about the US sitting and the US House, that goes
like crazy, and the voter actually it goes up in
the national, but we're talking about local it goes back down,
which all the workings of the government really happens when
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we're talking about the government, individual, states, local and regional.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I think, Chris, I think that when I'm concerned about
what happens in my backyard, I'll be equally concerned about
what goes on downtown. But if I'm not concerned about
what goes on in my backyard, you know, Okay, So
I feel that one of the things I feel that's
missing is when I grew up, you had to have
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Civics to graduate, you had to have a course in government,
all right, and so you got to understand whether it's
right or wrong. You know, whether it was skewed or not,
you did get a view of the government, how it worked,
and you were charged with participating, and you look forward
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to participating. I think now we have become we have
become too comfortable in our misery, so to speak. I'm
even the whole the whole country, black, white, green, or purple.
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You know, we've just become comfortable. And even even in
those other communities, they're not voting at the levels that
they once did. And then you have the younger people
who feel that they have influence other than through the ballot.
(06:53):
I feel falsely, all right, they have falsely have an
influence other other than the ballot. And what what's going
on in Washington, d C. If we perc If if
we all uh all ethnicities continue to allow it to happen,
we're all gonna find ourselves on the same boat, uh
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and without a paddle, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I I I just think they're they're.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's just a weird.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Time we are in, you know, time of transition there
it is.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We're a time of transition.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
What we wanna be as a country, what we want
to be as a state, What we wanna be as
a city, what we wanna be as a regional county.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Ethic, and what we wanna be as a people.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
As a people, I think all these ideas and ideologies
are just coming to a head and just clashing with
everything of trying to figure out, oh, how we used
to be or how we are now, and and the
the concessions we're making.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, the reality for me, the reality of what that
we live in today is much different than the reality
of some other folk. We we see, we we're involved
in a where because of control, our culture, even our
language has been broken, and so our reality is different
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than than than today. Our reality is different than the
other groups of people as they quote unquote move forward.
We're trying to We're still in the process. I'm not
trying to catch up, but to take and and and
move into a position of self determination and to leave
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the old definitions that some other people have placed on us,
all right, and and and come up with our our
definitions all knew, okay, But be in a position to
determine our destinies ourselves without having to depend on to
give up that dependency on them. If that makes sense, No.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That makes sense. Also, I think we didn't we talk
about any lot of things politics, business, or a lot
of things this life period. I don't think they foresaw
or was looking ten to fifteen years, twenty years ahead.
I think our found days was broken and broken a
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long time ago with politics and within people. Because now
a lot of people just don't care. They just like,
let me just live a good life and just leave
me alone. I don't care about what your god going on.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I don't care about what they next person got going on.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Just leave me and minds alone if it doesn't affect me, period,
because you guys don't help me. You guys didn't break me.
And then you have other people who says I need
help what the government's gonna do for me? You have
other people saying I don't want to govern any of
my business.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I just think everything and just talk about local.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
What do the politicians and I'm just talking about I'm
not just talking about the council people, talking about the judges.
I'm talking about the Ohio Center all that. What do
they know about the common folk? Like what they need?
Because you got people up there saying, okay, this is
what you need. I'm telling you what you need.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Time after time in my life, both in my family
and other people's family I've had I've watched children, babies,
infants down on the floor with toys, and I've given
my son his toys. I've given my daughter her toys,
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and my son would look over all right at my
daughter's toys and want hers, and my daughter would look
over at my son's toys, they want his. They never
was satisfied with what they had. They wanted what's the
other ones? Our business world is like that. They controlled
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ninety eight percent of everything in this country, and they
want more, and I know there's not When there's only
two percent left, you know, there's not too much more
that they can get unless they don't want us to
have anything at all. But if you don't let us
have anything at all, what are you going to be
able to consume?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay? Because okay, because there will be no consumers, all right.
And so we need to take and limit the impact
and influence that the business world has on us. I believe,
I believe, and I've said this, I've been saying this
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now for the last twenty years. There needs to be
revamping of the electoral process. And that is you take
and draw a grid down the state a grid equal grid.
We have say twenty districts in Ohio, okay, so you
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take and build that grid, so their twenty districts and
that's your district and you leave it. People then can
move in and out of grids depending on you know,
how they want to live, how they want to decide
their destiny. But now the grids are equal, you have
equal representation, all right. I believe also that for instance,
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you have what four hundred, well you have one hundred.
You have one hundred senators, all right, So each state
would get two senator senators, one Republican, one Democrat. Don't
have to worry about you know, you're gonna have two
your Your Your priority becomes which who who you're going
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to have for your Democrat you if you're a Democrat,
who you're gonna have as a Republican each of your
your uh like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, they would get
to d C would get too, all right. Uh, So
that would give you about one hundred and ten. Then
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whoever the president is, all right, the Speaker of the
House would be divided the same way. Then whoever the
president is, then the Speaker of the House would have
to be of that party. Whoever the president was. The Senate,
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all right, would have to be the opposite party. The
president of the Senate would have to be the opposite
of the opposite party. That way, you kind of bring
a balance, you know, into your government, and you I
feel you get real representation now, okay, because no one
has overwhelming influence on the other in your Congress, all right,
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the same thing in your Supreme Court. All right, you
have nine justices, all right, you would have four Democrats,
four Republicans, and one independent. Hmm, all right. That independent
would probably be would always have to be the chief
(14:57):
Justice if I'm making sense, all right? Uh, And therefore,
based on ideology perception of the constitution, decisions would be made. However,
the Supreme Court is not the body to determine legislation, correct.
(15:20):
They are the body to determine whether a decision is
constitutional or not.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Your Congress is your legislative or lawmaking entity, all right,
and that therein lies should lie all right, your legislation,
and then your your Supreme Court would decide whether that
legislation was constitutional or not. But not they're not lawmakers, no, Okay.
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If I'm making sense.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Making all the sense that they would never do that.
It's too too smart to do and nobody has an advantage.
And we were talking about right and I'm talking about vanished.
We were talking about the pharmacystal companies, and we go
back to the big businesses.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
We make the decision.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Who's funding a lot of these candidates, and they have
promises they have to uphold, you know, and then it's
come down to I always say, come down to a
local level with things, because local level affect us immediately.
Right now, we're talking about the previous show. While the
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ninety six percent of the people is not voting yet
still you know, that's a huge number. In some wards,
that's a huge number. Yes, like ninety six percent. Only
four percent of people are coming out to vote. But
yet people still complain things that is going on, Incidents
happens downtown, and I see a lot of online talking
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about it, and they say, well, the mayor's not doing this.
The mayor he's not a good mayor. But did you
go out and vote or you talk about he's not
a good mayor. You live, you live in Maple Heights.
He talked about not a good mayor, but you live
in Garfield.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like, let me take it one step forward. You talking
about he's not a good mayor, But an elected official
is a servant and representative of the people, and they
derive their power from the people. So the mayor works
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for me, all right, in the city that I live in.
And if I don't give him any instructions, if I
give a servant, if I don't give my servant instructions,
then my servant is free to do whatever he wants
to do, if I mean, all right, And so how
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many times have you called your mayor and or wrote
your mayor and tell and told him, gave him instructions.
I remember when the Klan wanted the march and down
town Cleveland, I call me mayor White, Mayor White. You know,
I understand where you are. I agree with you, all right.
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But they have the right the freedom of speech and
to walk the streets of Cleveland. And if you violate
their rights, then you can come back and violate mine,
all right. And so, whether I liked it or not,
the decision he had he made for the constitutionality of
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all the people. It was a proper decision, but as
a black man, I didn't like it. If I'm making sense,
all right.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But that's my whole thing of how many of the
people go down to the city council to their meetings. Yes,
so it's a lot of process of I think it's
a couple of things. Things are being suppressed for a reason,
information is being supressed for a reason, and play on
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people ignorance, and so if they don't know, we're not
going to tell, right, we can still be able to
control somebody think it's about power and end of the
day is about power. How could I move and control
people and control assets that we have?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You control where you are first? Correct? All right? Then
all right? Then as you can gain control right where
you are, you begin to move and control you know,
the things that you couldn't control. You begin to invade
those areas if you will, okay, so that that you
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can get more and more. But if you don't control
where you are, you know, it's difficult to control anything else.
If I'm making sense.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So how do you get people out to vote? Because
its vote today We're going to talk about a little
bit voting too.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Why is I gonna ask you the question, why is
it only four percent people? Why is it devoting so
low one hundred and fifty people voting, maybe a total
one thousand people going to vote.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
To well, well, maybe it's because everybody's waiting. Many of
people will wait to get off work to see after yea,
even at.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
The end of that, so maybe only fifteen hundred people vote.
Let's say fifteen and three thousand people vote, right.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well, you know again, the who who who prevails may
may not be that important to my today reality during it. Okay,
all right, whether you know like I'm okay, I'm I'm
(20:40):
I operate in Ward one, okay. And so there are
many of the people in Ward one who are dissatisfied
with the leadership, the political leadership, however, that are available
(21:03):
to run against the present leadership have embarked upon a
uh negative campaign. And I know the the culture award
one will not does not tolerate negative campaigns. Okay, that's
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that's one of the things. And so many of the
people said, okay, I don't want him say, but I
can't vote for any of the other people because of
the negative campaigning.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Have you seen anything and you can talk about your
award any of any kind of saying what I'm going
to do for our award.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about,
no vision. But they want to talk about what's not
being done, okay by the incumbent and pointing out his flaws,
was potential flaws, okay, and indis possible indiscretions, rather than
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coming up all right, that that's one thing. The other
thing is that, for instance, sixty people, sixty percent of
the people in that war does not want the incumbent,
all right, But that means that the incumbent has forty
percent of the people who want, you know, who want
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to stand by him. But you got five people running
for the sixty percent, all right, then you got potentially,
you know that that sixty percent split up to the
point where he's he's got a forty percent that will
defeat all the efforts of that other five people. I
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hope I'm making percent, you know, you make all of it, okay,
all right? And so that so rather than the five
coming to other and saying, listen, we represent sixty percent
of the war, let us decide among ourselves, you know,
which one of us, all right, is going to be
moved forward, and then the other four will take and
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the influence that we have and put it behind that
one person. Now, okay, you got sixty percent against this
forty percent, you can move it. But everybody has their
own agenda, their own self interest, their own potential image influence,
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and what I'm thinking, their sense of power. Okay, that
they they can't collectively bring those powers, all those attributes
together under one campaign and defeat.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Do you think when they talk about negative right, the
negative campaign, do you think that is become a national
thing because it's a higher level, right, That's all you
see now, I always say, and no shade to Kamala
Harris right. Comics can not come out of Kamala Harris right.
But my thing was always okay, you can tell me.
(24:20):
We all know what at the time when they're running
Trump was bad. But you never told us what was
your plan. I think a lot of people understood, like, okay,
we know this. A lot of cannons never tell us
what's your plan.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I don't want to hear the plan. See, that's for me.
I want you to come to me and ask me,
you know, collectively, what you know, what's what's what's my
vision for my community? And then you take it a
court when you come to the people all right, and
get their vision, their collective vision. Now, this is what
I stand on and when I go, when I go
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to whatever body that I'm representing them, man, I now
take the community's vision.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
After you do that, like after you do research the
field research and what they do, and then you say, okay,
this is my place, this is my execution.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yes, okay, this is the game plan.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I'm gonna ask you, this is.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
The this is the community which I represent. This is
their collective.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Execute And when you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
That way, okay, rather than my plan, all right, it's
my community's plan, right right. And and I.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Think so now because you have the community involved, they
feel invested.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You have their input, you have their priorities, all right,
and now there now they're now real stakeholders, all right,
And what happens in the community. And I believe that's
that's what we don't do, is that we don't build
real stakeholders in the community.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
At the time, what politics, uh, we've created it was
credit again and you were voted on from the people, correct,
and you find it feel the sense of community.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But now we're getting canidates that a don't live in
the community, just happen to move there, get a house there.
You don't live there, right, they don't, they don't know.
And it seemed like politice is becoming more of a job,
of a career than really being a self serfect. When
we talk about being a politician serving the people, it's
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almost like social work, right, like a thankless job, right
that I'm drawing to people lives to be better. It
seemed like politics has become I want to be a
career council person.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Well that's because at one time, DJ, at one time,
count of the elected officials could not make any more
money than the people they represented, all right, and so therefore,
all right, uh, they had to they almost had to
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go back and represent what the people wanting. Now it's
a lucrative job, all right, and you got to stipe
in to have to travel and maybe stay doing legislative sessions,
and the legislative sessions work all year. But now you
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have people going to college becoming attorneys taking policy, all right,
so that they can take and make careers out of
being a public official. And so rather than really representing
the people, you have carved a place out for a
career for yourself, rather than really being an elected official
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that serves the people.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So do you think that it could be an issue
right now while people are and vote now because you
don't feel like they're being.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Served, not being served, and that you're here and I'm here,
that's it, okay, and you're missing me and I can't.
I can't, I really can't see you because ain't Jane
who has the fourth grade education die hypothetically? And that, well,
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let's examine that because in the city of Cleveland, that
of DJ is a issue because you have sixty six
percent of the adults in Cleveland who are functionally illiterate
case Western Reserve March twenty first, twenty twenty one survey. Okay,
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and in some words, you have as much as ninety
five percent of the people who are functionally illiterate. So one,
I can't even sign my name to get a ballot,
and if I can't, for the most part, I can't
even read the ballot, So why should I bother that?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And I also also say, how are you approving my livelihood?
Does that make sense? Like, how are you approving.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
My quality of life?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think every day I think that I think that
becomes a community, that becomes a community effort rather than
the politician, all right, because when I when the community
comes together and say this is the quality of life
we want, all right, and we're gonna send you to
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represent us, you know, Okay, all right, all right, okay,
all right, So it becomes I lived on a little
street called Mona, uh now where King Kennedy is now. Okay,
we used to be King, yeah right, used to well, well,
it used to be my neighborhood. They tore my neighborhood
down to be King to Bill King Kennedy, all right.
(29:52):
But it was sixteen houses on the street that represented
maybe twenty five thirty families because some of the dwellings
had multiple families in And so we came together and
we talked and we supported one another. We knew what
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the needs okay of one another, okay, and we worked
together for the common good. So it was a Republican neighborhood,
all right. Counselman Car Car Burton Bell Carr. Counselman Car
was our councilman back then. It was Ward seventeen. We
had thirty one wards back then because of the population
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of Cleveland. But we came together and we determined what
we wanted for our neighborhood, all right, and then he
came to the city council and did the best that
he could. I see things going on not going on today,
all right. In the summertime, it wasn't a day hardly
that you didn't have a street sweeper sweeping your streets down.
(31:02):
H all right. You had you had people, You had
people who had jobs, who had the little of the garbage,
garbage cans on wheels, garbage on wheel. Yeah, they had
garbage cans on wheels, all right, and they had uh
the streets sweeping brushes right and and shovels and all right. Uh,
(31:25):
just you know, just uh to keep I mean you know,
you this was in the black, so you didn't you
didn't have trash and and and and and litter you
know on the streets. Uh, because we had those kinds
of services going on. But now you know, for the
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sake of the budget, okay, uh, we we're eliminating those
things or.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The sense of pride of the neighborhood, right.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, that helped because you had someone because you know,
you know, something inadvertently flies out your hand, you know. Uh,
and and so those things we we I don't know,
we had garbins. We had a fifty five of a
guy in garbage can in our in our yard, and
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you took your trash out and that was burnable, you burned. Okay,
we wrapped our garbage, you know, wrapped it up and everything.
You didn't just dump it. Had garbage trucks open, open
bed garbage trucks. And it seems like, oh, the kinds
of uh, the kinds of system that we had in
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place better served the communities than than than all progresses
and all all modern trends.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Our progress right, you know, because we had a conversation,
like I said the program before about uh voting, pride
and and and getting people out there in information, and
we're talking about for black And I love this show
Black Thoughts because it's talk about black people and let's
talk about us.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
When are we just.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Going to control our own destiny when it comes to
this voting, when it comes to the city of let's
talk about the city of Cleveland. Let's get real city
of Cleveland. It's a lot of black folks that live
in the City of Cleveland and any ring suburbs. At
some point we got to come together and just make
it our own. Like we get at some point with
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the councilman and counsel woman, whenever were going to make
this side of the town ours.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Like ours?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
When when when uh, let's let's go here, let's go
to let's go here, now, let's go here. There are
people who are willfully and skillfully irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
The skillful irresponsible people who are people who have not
been taught or trained to be responsible. They don't know how. Right.
Then you have the willful irresponsible people who don't want
to be responsible because it means they have to give
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up being the victim. We can't blame somebody else for
the lack of our taking part, all right. So when
we take and be and make sure that we have
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the people who are skillfully irresponsible are taught how to
be responsible, we can take and circumvent, all right. Because
we can take and I want to be careful how
I say this, We can take a work of around
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the wilful okay, irresponsible. We can work around them to
the point where they almost would have to acquiesce. You know,
I'll give you again. I was diabolically opposed to giving
tax incentives to businesses that wanted to come into Cleveland.
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You know, if your business is not strong enough to
pay taxes, then go somewhere else. Right, we don't need those.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
They always get taxes.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, but we want businesses that are thriving to the
point where they can pay their fair share of the
taxes so that we don't have to take and carry
them and making sense, that makes sense yet, okay, And
so when we take that, the Browns want to go,
let them. Okay, we don't want you, because that means
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I don't have to clean up the mess the sewer,
all right, all all the mess and stuff you leave,
you know downtown, you know, the stuff blowing around. Okay,
you know I don't have to. I don't have to
process the sewage from the stadium. See that. There's more
to having a stadium than there's some people coming and
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watching the game. All right, I gotta process the water,
you know, I got you know, the water that comes
in got to be purified, the sewage got to be
taken care of. Because of the the traffic, the streets
have to be repaired more often because you have the traffic,
additional traffic, so it cost the city a whole lot more,
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all right. And then I remember when I got back here,
from from living in Texas for a while. Uh rich
what is the Richfield Arena at Richfield? Okay? Well the
calves pay played, all right, and so to go out
there and have a couple of beers, and the ritual
police will be sitting there waiting, all right, Oh yeah, yes,
(37:08):
wait for you. Yeah. Uh huh. You can't even enjoy
yourself and have a couple of beers, all right, And
you got to navigate a twenty a half hour forty
five minute ride to come back, all right home, and
there's you know, more often to get you. So there's
some things going on, all right that we are unaware of,
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because there is an element who has been behind the scenes,
closed doors, all right, making plans to control, to domesticate,
all right, and we have when certain elements get quiet,
I get to observing on what's going on, and I
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go to trying to make some plans to counter what
I think might be coming. If I'm making sense, makes sense, okay.
And so we see the opportunity corridor, for instance, we
know that there's not a plan from downtown to about
one hundred and twenty fifth Street, all right to take
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it take it back, especially along the lake. What are
we doing all right to be able to take advantage
of it? Okay, rather than oh man, that's nice.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Now, I go right.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I was listen because I stayed, because I used to
work on the west side, to stay the west.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I think the.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Corridor was the fabulous idea because it does save you,
like thirty minutes. Even say I live in South Viega.
From south to get to the west side one hundred
and thirtyth it saves me fifteen to twenty min yes,
has and then no cars there.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Man, oh man, really showing up.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Its sablous idea. But it does cut through what ward five,
It does cut through what our neighborhoods. So to your point,
how can we make this benefited us?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Deep Elm in Dallas, The same thing happened to deep
Ellen l E l l u M Deep Elm in Dallas.
And what they did, they did it in the name
of progress. They cut the highway with the highways and
you know, development the name of development progress, same thing
that's happening here. But how can we make this work
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all right in our favor?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
And that's the that's the and that goes back to
us being in the room for those conversations.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
M hm, we come together, all right. Ourselves will have
to be I say, I'm tired of going to the room,
going to the table, trying to tell them how to
treat me. Right, let us come together. We know how
to treat one another, right if we choose to. Well,
let us come together and going to take it and
becoming developers and developer.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Okay, that's the key. That's the case. All right.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So now we can take and go to Fairfax all
right and say, okay, Fairfax, we have come together with
community investment and now we have X amount of dollars,
all right, and now we want this property and we're
going to develop it.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
See it's those kinds of things that we need to
be doing. We can go to Glenville and set the
Glenville Development Corporation all right and say, hey, listen, we
have two million, five millions were buying this property and
we want to build. Go to Ward one. We have
two development corporations or it's a new Day and the Harvard,
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the Lee Harvard Development Corporation, which my wife is the
director of. Right now, okay, ms Goldstein, miss sample, Okay,
here's X millions of dollars from the community investment right
process that we can take and and do some things.
Now we're beginning to control what we can control now
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that can be that can spread. Hmmm. So we did
that in Collingwood, if we did it in Glenville, if
we did it in Fairfax, we did it in Mount Pleasant,
and we did it in the Lee Harvard area. Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So what are so at some point we need to
do that and get because this is a food desert
over here, somebody figure it out all this land and
build a reliable and real cross.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Okay, So then why don't we get in touch with
the Black Grosses Association? See huh, all right, but we
have to have some money to come to the table with.
So so ken Ward five, War five, You know how
about Ward five has to have each Ward has to
have twenty five thousand people in Okay, So if I
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can get five dollars a month thout twenty five cents
a week from each resident and war on the average
of each resident in War five five times twenty five thousand,
look what that does. And I do it for a
month for I mean every month for a year. Look
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at the kind of base I have? All right, now
to come in as and what we do. We used
to what you call the nominal method. All right, everybody
comes into a room. What's your priorities? List to priority.
Everybody priority goes on the list. Then the group votes
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on what number one through number one? Say you got
one hundred, what number one is? What number one hundred is?
All right? Now everybody's priority is there?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
The group has decided which one's gonna be worked on first.
All right, But we now know that at least my
concern is there. All right. And now I'm must stakeholder.
That's the keys, and I'm gonna give my five dollars
a month, all right because I'm now a stakeholder and participant.
My my priority is number one hundred. But I'm in game.
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If I'm making if I'm making sense.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But that you're in the game, you feel like you're
part of something, you're getting something out of it. Okay,
I'm vested in it, that's right. I invested in.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
It, yes, all right? And now all right, now I'm man,
this is this is I'm part of this. You know,
I'm you know, I'm not looking at the counselman. I'm
part of this, all right, and not till the counselman
you go somewhere and sit down if he if he's
not pushing that agenda that we have decided. Now I
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have a I have a greater sense of control of
my community, my destiny and self determination.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'm gonna try to get these election results or like
not election results, but live.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay, how many? How many is are voted? So far?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Trying to find a site to get I don't know
what site to find it at should be?
Speaker 3 (44:15):
What is it the.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Board of Elections of Kyahoga County dot com, something like that.
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I'm gonna find it. Trust me, we're going to look
at it. We're going to find it and make sure
we get these numbers. Who people coming out? Because again
view oh therego right there view live voters turn out
right now by city, Here we go.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Ward one?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
This is live as of six right now by city
going to Ward one. Eligible voters eighteen thousand, eighteen one
and thirty three early voting absentee five under and sixty
six Election Day five and seventeen turnout six percent okay,
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five fourteen thousand eligible voters look over like fourteen three,
fourteen three hundred four people early voting four hundred three
election day right now, one hundred and ninety that's four
percent seven nineteen two undred ninety two early voting four
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hundred and twelve election.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Day five hundred and forty two.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Eight over seventeen thousand, three hundred eight early voting two
hundred thirty one election.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Day so far. That's three percent turnout so far.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Still early nineteen thousand for war nine, four hundred and
four hundred twenty six early voting three hundred and thirty
one election day. That's the three point eight percent turnout.
And number twelve ward twelve fifteen thousand, little fifteen thousand,
a fortunate two early voting four indud is seventeen actually
(46:05):
day five percent.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Try to look at seventeen. It's crazy. Look at seventeen
right now.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
They don't have seventeen on here. Okay, this is as
of today. That's crazy. In the city of Cleveland, period
is one hundred and twenty one early eligible voters twenty
eight one hundred over a little bit over twenty eight
one hundred early voting twenty four hundred election day. That's
four percent turnout. Yeah, and that's just not that's just
(46:41):
not the city of Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I mean, you know, just across the country.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
We can go to lake who I like to think
about Lakewood. See the Lakewood and I don't know what
they're voting for. I could probably look.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
That up at some point.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Lakewood eligible voters. They only got nine to sixty three
elgible voters. I don't know who is voting, but it's
way more than nine sixty three people living. Yeah, twenty
six of them early voting, twenty seven for the day
of turnout, six percent turnout.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Let's go to Cleveland Heights. See, that's a hot race.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Cleveland Heights eligible voters. And I ain't get it to
who's doing what, but I was just going. I went
by city for so far, just elgebra voters. Two thousand
of them was early voting and three thousand and four
election day, so a fourteen percent okay, you know, and
that is a highly yeah, that's yeah, okay, that's tested, Yeah,
(47:35):
highly contested race.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So far.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
We know what's going down over in Cleveland Heights. And yes, yeah,
it's getting busy over there, yeah, very yeah, very it's
getting busy cleftd Heights. But Cleveland itself is just not
an early.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Well again again again, you have Cleveland. You have people
working job two jobs, and in many instances, uh, and
that's something else at me. You know, the average income
of Cleveland is about twenty six thousand dollars a year, okay,
(48:09):
and so many people will have to work two jobs,
all right, unless they have somebody you know with them,
you know. And so you have some people who won't
be able to vote because hey, I got to hit
it and then when I get off this job, I
got to go straight to the other job. So those
are some things. Also, the average income in Cleveland is
(48:34):
way below, way below the do you do the The
poverty level is twenty thousand dollars a year, and so
you got people working in Cleveland who's just six thousand
dollars above the poverty level.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Also, we get look at the generation thing, and I
would say, I'm forty seven, So I say my generation
are the voting generation now right, and the ones that
are older than me are phasing now right, even though yeah,
there tying out or anything's not right. So so for
the core of it, between my generation, my age, and
the ration, we are the voters. And I really believe
(49:08):
my generation is really and below I just don't care anymore.
I just think that it's a disconnect that we don't care.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And I think that's why these numbers.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I was taught to talk to my wife about. They said,
Cleveland numbers of populations going down, and as we were
taught to have a conversation about it, and I said, well,
part of it is the numbers. It looks like it's
going on because nobody feels out the census. We don't
know who really lives in Cleveland. We don't know because
(49:40):
I know a lot of people who moved in Cleveland,
who have been living in Cleveland twenty years and never
done the census.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
They like, I'm not from Cleveland. I don't got to
do all that. We understand like we are transient city
right now to some degree.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I have a degree, but I have I can go
back to another period.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, well go ahead, Okay, no, because you're here.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Right, Okay, yeah, okay, So I go back to another
period when we had but we could not We could
not live in Maple Heights, we could not live in Garfield,
we could not live in Seouland. We cannot live in Bedford,
we can not live in Bedford Heights. We cannot live
in Mayfield, all right, we cannot live in East Cleveland,
Cleveland Heights, Shaker, all of these places were off limits.
(50:22):
So when you take maybe take the black people who
have moved out of the city into the suburbs and
bring them back, look what our population would be, right right? Okay?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
True?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
All right, So you have many people they're they're they're
leaving Cleveland, but they have the benefit of the urban setting,
but they're living in the suburbs. Yeah, okay, so you
have that too.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
But also are generally people just not you know, I
know a lot.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
We don't have a lot of homeowners, right because yeah,
because there's housing stock has has depleted, you know, uh yeah, okay, we.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Don't have a lot of homeowners.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
We do have a lot of property owners who don't
live in the city of Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, so you got that.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Part of it.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
You got people who own probably don't live in Cleveland.
You got people who were riders who are not doing
the census, you get people who are not doing the voting.
So all this goes into our numbers. Look like it's
very low.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But how do I buy? But again, how do I
buy a house?
Speaker 3 (51:28):
All Right?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
On twenty six thousand dollars a year, you know, it don't.
It doesn't put me, It can't even put me in
with an average house. Note nowadays, you know, most housing stock,
a good house, you know, good housing stock will run
you about one hundred thousand dollars a year, A little
(51:50):
bit more than that by hundred hundred hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars, you know, on the east, on the
in the urban setting. Okay, how do I buy one
hundred thousand dollars house on twenty six thousand dollars a year? Right?
Speaker 2 (52:05):
But again, and it goes to all that goes into
not and it goes back to the beginning of the voting.
All this listen, other thing we talk about goes right
back to.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
The voting.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Right, It goes back to get out there and vote
while people are not voting, while we need to vote.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Is what have you done for me?
Speaker 2 (52:26):
How does you help me out? How do I go
from the property level making twenty six?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
So? How do I help you out when you haven't
told me what you need? Was? That is? Two you
get me?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Two way street?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah? Okay, right, okay, two way street. I love to
talk to black get that.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
This is not my therapy. Guys, I don't get out
of this conversation. We you know, we agree, we disagree,
but we have the information out there, right, and we
talk about two different generations. Uh doctors forty years forty years.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Older than me.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
I'm eighty six years old.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
He's forty years old.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, thirty nine Okay, but that's he's four decades. So
that means he's giving me a perspective. Now, love talking
to him because it gives me perspective. Listen, this is
how it was. And I said, well, this is how
it is now. But you can see where we meet
in the middle middle because.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
We're the commed denominator with a common denominator.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Because he said this how it was, Well, this is
where disconnected, and this is where we're going. This is
what we should do, because we need to take a
little bit what happened during your time. Then we need
to take a little bit what's happening.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yes, have no right, So everything old ain't bad, everything
new ain't good.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
Okay, you kind of mix it together and you build
what you build now takes what's bad, Take what was
good from the old, take what's good from the new,
bring them together all right, and this is this is all.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
We've been trying to do.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
We'll be trying to say, but nobody want to.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Listen to us. Wrap it up? Go ahead, all right
for listening. You have been listening to Black Thought and
everything was changed. You're on you ov you with the
rabbi and the DJ Chris styles. You know, we want
to leave you with the thought. Oh, by the way, Sapphire,
all right, belieated, Happy birthday to Sapphire.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Happy birth all right?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Uh and and Uni who is over at friendly end.
We hope you have a good a good workout there.
People listen, we want you to get out and vote.
Come on, let's go take care of our business for ourselves,
so that if things go bad on us, we can
say we we did everything that we were supposed to do,
(54:37):
and so then we can take a different, a different posture.
All right, until next time. This is the Rabbi saying,
I will drink from my part of the river and
no one shall keep me from it until next time.
Chris and the Rabbi saying shalom habah. This is w
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