January 10, 2026 • 32 mins
Esha Arain is a Karachi-based visionary breaking new ground in the music landscape. Making her debut in October 2022 on World Mental Health Day, Esha immediately captured hearts with her poignant single, crafting an unforgettable audiovisual experience that shed light on a sensitive and overlooked mental health issue.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, hey everyone, and welcome to Ruckus Avenue Radio. I'm
your host, Kamal Kahan, and as you know my show
Bollywood to Hollywood. I always try to bring in guests
that are really inspiring, might bringing about kind of this
sense of inspiration to everyone out there who has an
ambition to be doing something in entertainment that is different,
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that is going to change the game, if you like.
And I love bringing on guests who have done that
and have really challenged the status quotes sometimes as well. Right,
We've got Pakistani artists, Indian artists, We've got artists from
pretty much everywhere in the world, and it's just so
fun to sometimes just get those types of guests who've
kind of been the underdog and have somehow managed to
(00:58):
succeed fight some of the boundaries I've had.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:31):
One person, for example, as a guest, I'll never forget,
she was a doctor for about thirty five years, decided
to become a filmmaker. Pretty amazing, Vikumari. I've had other actors,
casting directors who've always wanted that ambition, but they were
sort of coerced because of their family or because they
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didn't have the money or the time or the energy
to really focus on what they really love to do.
So those stories are extremely special because they've kind of
gone against the grain, right, They've really gone about saying,
you know, I want to pursue my passionate. It doesn't
matter when they do it. It could be later on
in life, it could be when they're fifty sixty, whatever,
the fact is that they wanted to do that. Some
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of the singers that we get on the show, they're
actually from Pakistan, not just from India as well, and
then we talk about Bollywood a lot and they are
pretty awesome. Ali Zapha had on my show with his
brother Danny. It was very special. You know, we had
him on Walk of the Stars. We just write there
live and remember on video. This is all sort of
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like everything was cool. It's just about post COVID. I
think it was a lot of fun and it's guests
like that. And today I have Isha Rain She's going
to be coming on. She's a singer, Pakistani singer based
in karach but also really inspirational on her journey and
we're going to talk about her and how she managed
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to produce her music and some of the challenges face
So you know, if you ever wondered how you can
surmount those And it doesn't matter where you live, right,
we don't have all the resources. Well, these are the
things that we like to talk about. These are all
the sort of things that we create to inspire, as
I like to call it. So, hello everyone, I just
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want to welcome our special guest we have on today
on my show Bollywood to Hollywood. And at the moment,
I have got with me the very talented, multi talented
I should say, Isha Rain and she is based in
Karachi in Pakistan. She's a singer, but she has many
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other talents as well, which we'll go into. So welcome
to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Asha, Hello, thank you so much for having me on
this show. I am super excited to talk about my journey.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh yeah, we were excited to have you as well.
So tell us a little bit more about you know, Isha,
And we're having this conversation now, and you know, i'd
love to understand that sort of the backstory. I mean,
how did you actually get into singing?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
All right?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So it happened during COVID and I'm an accidental singer.
So I just happened to accidentally write a song going
through you know, some sort of personal experiences and I have.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
No idea how it happened, but.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, when the song was in my hands, I
just took it as a sign from the universe to
just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That's awesome. So, yeah, you alls have an accidental singer.
That's amazing. Even though you sang so well, there was
a great accident to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, most certainly.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I discovered music a bit late in my life, but
I am really glad that it did happen for me.
And I don't think that I found music.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think music found me.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And it's an absolute honor too, you know, to do
something that your heart desires and to be able to
tell stories. I love doing music. So far, so far
it's been great.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's fantastic. And you know, we love that that you know,
you basically have that, you know, kind of I was
talking about other guests earlier, and you know, sometimes I've
met people who kind of discover things very late in
their lives. They discovered other talents that they decided there's
something they always wanted to do. And then they end
up doing it, and that's the part that inspires others, right,
I mean it says, you know what, people say, it's
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too late. I didn't do it when I was younger,
Why should have started earlier? Whatnot? But they're doing it,
and you're recording and you're actually putting songs out there
into the universe, and that's kind of that's the most
interesting part, right, I mean, this is the thing that
it takes effort, it takes work, and so I'm proud
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of you be able to do that. Now, tell us
a little bit about sort of you know, I mean,
you did other things before this, obviously before saying and
I'm assuming in the creative world, right, So obviously things
were going on in your personal life, as you explained,
But is there anything else that kind of we did
before this, right, So in your life that was creative,
you said you had many other talents and ways that
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you've worked. So that you know, whether it was in
in Pakistan or it was in London, I'd love for
the audience to hear a bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yes, I started my career with modeling back in the
days when I was in college, and so it all
started with modeling. Then I moved to London for my education.
I did my fashion design degree and after graduating, I
came back to Pakistan and I started my own brand.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I don't designed for it. It was a retail brand.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I just got back into the fashion industry in Pakistan.
It was great, like back in twenty nineteen. It was
a good start. I was in all the big shows
and then I did my certification in acting. I wanted
to pursue acting. That's what I came back for, to
be in the movies. But unfortunately, like COVID happened and
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things shifted from there, right, So that just led me
towards music, and so now I do multiple things.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I have my own production company.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I started to facilitate my own music videos, and I
also style brands, I creative direct. So yeah, I do
actually a couple of things right now.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Great, great, that's fantastic, So style brands and so forth.
So you know, obviously, I mean a lot of things
happened during COVID that people changed careers and so forth,
and I don't I'm not surprised by that. I mean
I started playing more music myself and sort of jamming
and so forth. But what was you know, what did
you do before? I guess is you know what you
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focused on and love to know more about the sort
of fashion. What were you modeling? You know, what was
kind of that background and how was it doing that
if you were you know, based in Karaate and the
transition here to London.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
All right, So I was, I would say, studying and
modeling at the same time, and then after graduation I
started exploring things like production and creative direction and styling
and music. It all happened post COVID.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right, So the modeling happened post COVID as well.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
No, I modeling was the first thing, you know, It's
how things get started.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
For me.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Modeling was before I went to London for my degree.
So I started with modeling, and I modeled in London
as well for a bit.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Do you model, Karachi, you model in London as well? Right?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah? Yeah? And now I'm in Lahore. I'm based out
of Lahore, right now.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I moved here last year, Okay, yeah, because I feel.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Lahore is better when it comes to music and fashion,
and so my my main industry is fashion, I would say.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
And I'm still getting into music, like new to music.
But I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That's fantastic. So as I think about that, you know,
and you haven't made this transition from to music. You know,
it's a beautiful thing that you can express yourself to
different realms right in the creative world, right, and that
is so cool. I mean, you know, so when you're
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in karachi, and I mean, by the way, Lahore, I
mean so you probably for those listeners who don't know,
why do you think fashion and the music industries it's
better in the hold versus karachi.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Used to be the other other way around.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Back in the days before I moved to the UK,
the karachi was flourishing and everything. But I don't know
what happened when I came back to Pakistan. The things
had shifted and Lahar had more you know, independent and
creative people working in fashion, like makeup artists and photographers
and models, and it just got better, right.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
More opportunities, more brands.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, okay, And I mean any particular type of model
that you did, was it fashion shows? Was it like advertising?
What was it that really? You know, you enjoyed most.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
With magazines and run away mostly, And we used to
have billboards back then, so it was a bit of everything.
I did a few commercials also, but mostly like it
was fashion, so print media and run.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Is it one particular one that really sort of stands
out for you that it was something that was close
to your heart.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, shoots fashion, shoots editorials for fashion magazines and brands,
and I still love it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I still do it every now and then.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah. And I enjoyed walking on the ramp as well.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I've done some big shows like Fashion Bakstan, we Come
Showcase United Nations, right.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Is there any particular sort of brand that you worked
with that was really kind of exciting for you.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I just got my modeling break from a bit with
Catwalk Productions.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Free owned it owns it. She still does.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
When I started, it was pretty big in Bakstan. And
I was also signed with Citrus Modeling.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And that's how I got my break in modeling.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Nice, I don't know any of these brands, so for
especially for our listeners, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Citrus et Cetera Talent is one of the biggest modeling
agencies in Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Talent agencies we.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Do commercials like for television and now social media. I
no longer signed with them, but I that's how I
started back in the days.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
That is great, isn't it? And I guess you get
to be in mults of commercials in Pakistan and so
forth as a result of that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Back in the days, we used to you know, like
shoot a lot of TV commercials before social media happened,
so it was it was big.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah. So what's the just for you coming from the
industry in Pakistan? How is the transition from going from
Pakistan to London.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
It was very exciting.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Doing like being in the fashion industry in London is
you know, like to completely different worlds and I was
very honored to be there and learn from the best
in the best. So I went to an Italian university.
It was it was a learning experience. I met a
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lot of interesting people and it was just awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Great Okay, Italian University in London, you mean.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, it's Stude Maranngni London School of Fashion.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Nice okay. And what was that like for you?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It was.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
A tremendous, tremendously learning experience, I would say, coming from Pakistan,
and I was the only student at that time from Pakistan,
so it was pretty exciting and it was just just
really nice.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, very different, right and to be able to
have the you know, coming from Pakistan and being able
to represent, if you like, right in London and Italian
sort of school institute, that's pretty cool, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
They teach you stuff like research and design, which I
we we did not know in Pakistan, so definitely it
was an amazing experience learning wise. They also haven't have
a campus in la mm hmm, I'm not sure if
you know about that.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, they do have a campus in la as well.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's awesome. Well, this is good. We're gonna take a
little break here for our audience and we'll come back
in a second. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Hell, you're listening to Ruckus Avenue Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
He so welcome back. We have Ischha Rain with us
here who is a model turned singer and a multi
talented and now she has our own production company. So
we're just having the conversation about her journey and her experience.
So Isha, let's sort of shift gears for a second.
(15:15):
Tell me a little bit about this singing. You've got
a new track out, Baba Pha, what sort of inspired
you to have that song out? And let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, Beba pars I would say my most vulnerable piece
that I've created so far. It comes from a very
raw place. I was in a very different, different I
would say situation when I wrote the song, right.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, and can explain that elaborate please, like as in,
where is this stem from? What was your journey? What
was it that made you know? What was vulnerable about it?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You know?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The lyrics comes from a very like It's one of
my most personal songs I've released so far, and I
wrote it during an emotionally intense chapter of my life,
so it's more like a confession, I would say. And
the song was is produced by Ali Mustafa. It's who's
one of the best in the business and he's worked
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with a major a Bollywood and Pakistani hits and he
really pushed me vocally, so you know it's very dreamy
and melancholic and honest.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, it's almost haunting right in a in a good way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I call it my haunting lullaby.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so I am. And you know where
did the name come from? Beba? What would what inspired
you there?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It just comes from a very as I mentioned, a
difficult night and you know, being with someone who cannot
meet you where you are, so, you know, as the
word means baby fund means unfaithful, right m M.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, yeah, So I mean having to pull your heart
out on this song, right, must have been pretty difficult.
But also to write it and so forth and find
the right lyrics to express yourself. Did you feel a
sense of satisfaction being able to sort of express it,
you know, and and and then basically release that you
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know song.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I think it takes a lot of courage to be
vulnerable in your art, you know, coming from an honest place.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
It's not easy, and especially.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Portraying that into your lyrics and just being absolutely raw
and honest. And I don't think I have done it
like this before with any of my songs. So at
times it was overwhelming, for sure, But I'm glad that
I went through with it.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
And yeah, and I had a very.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Supportive team, an absolutely amazing team which made it happen.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
So I'm actually glad that I worked on this track.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Right, right. And for those who are probably going to
try and find it, where where can they find your song? Well,
look for it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
That's on Spotify, but I mean, yeah, it's it's out
there on all major streaming platforms. Primarily Spotify, iTunes, Apple Music,
YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Deezer, all the major music streaming platforms, right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Now, yeah, yeah, that's right. And how do you feel
about now that it's out and it was a reaction
to it, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Well?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Okay, so Bebefa was released on twenty seventh, which was
like five days ago, so it's still a baby. I mean,
it's just I just put it out in the world,
and so far I am getting good response from the listeners. See,
it's a heartbreak ballot, so it's intense, it's vulnerable. So
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the people who actually connect with it, the lyrics and
the music, they've been giving me really positive feedback, which is,
I think, which is what every artist needs to you know,
go on and release such tracks in future as.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, right right, yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm very intense when it comes to my writing and
I create from emotion and so yeah, it's been good
and I've been getting positive reviews so far.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah. Now, let's go back for two your previous songs, maybe, right,
I mean, is there any particular track that you know
that you want to call out? I know there's a
couple that you have that are so good as well.
And you know the theme of your songs, right, They're
obviously very personal and I think it's always nice when
something is very personal to you that you know you
perform those right, And couldn't the lyrics any particular one
(20:20):
that you stands out to you? And did you make
a music video?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah? Yeah, so so far? This is my fourth track.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The songs that I did before Viva Fa all came
with a music video. The last one was shot in Toronto.
It was recorded in Karachi. It's called Rajah. I think
I think you've heard the track right, we didn't have?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So yeah, I loved that one. I would say, Renda,
it's it's a blues and rb R and B pop
anthem about love, heartbreak and you know, the bitter sweet emotions.
So I really like that one, and I love the
music video, U as I said, So, I released it end.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Of last year, right, then? How did that go?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It was? It was good, I would say, not not
bad at all, And but I would say that I've
worked on my vocals a lot in a year. So
BEFI is bea is I would say comes from a roist,
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darker place than.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Uh, did it was, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Maybe it would resonate deeply with anyone who has ever
experienced love and loss, but it's it's sweeter than.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Beaver, right, Yeah, that's right, of course it is. And
you know that's a nice thing. Like I mean, you've
got a different sort of starting it. And I think
also it depends on the phase of your life, right too,
and what when you do these things, So that makes
a big difference to all right, we'll take another quick
break here just for a second, and we'll come back.
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Speaker 1 (22:36):
Gooper, So welcome back everyone. We've got Isha Rain with
us here today on our show Bollywood to Hollywood and
I'm your host Kamal Kahan, and so Issuan is telling
us more about the songs that she's released recently, some
very close to her heart, especially Beveraphar, which you can
check out and spotify all the basically the the channels
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out distribution, so go check it out. It's a lovely,
lovely song. And Issha, what about your family did they
how how supportive were they? About you doing music or modeling,
especially you know, knowing that in box on it's it's
not an easy path to take.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
In the beginning, they were a bit concerned and somewhat reluctant,
you know, especially when I joined modeling industry. But over
the years, I would say things have shifted, for sure,
and now they're way more supportive of my.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Of my journey. And it's nice, Like my mom is
very supportive and so all my brothers. So I think
I'm lucky when it comes to that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's fortunate, right to have that
support from your parents. And uh and for fourth, I mean,
and I don't I'm not surprised to be concerned, right
because and how is that hard? Things now? I mean
being things have changed over time, right, I mean before
versus now. I mean they see a lot of female
singers and also male singers and actors and whatnot. And
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the dramas are so popular too write in Pakistan, so
I kind of see.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Sorry, Yeah, they're massive in Bakstan, right, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Right, I mean they're basically like household like superstars.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So would you say that things have shifted for for
women to do modeling in Pakistan? Now and it's not
less of a taboo, No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Things have really shifted, I would say, in the last
ten years or so, and now you know, you see
girls from good family backgrounds and educated and everything and
they're coming into this industry.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So it's I wouldn't say that it's a taboo anymore.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
H yeah, more there, especially with social media, things have shifted, right.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right, especially with social media, right, I mean, people do
things whether it's through YouTube or others and just basically
get some get themselves out there, right, So I think
that's amazing and and I mean I ever thought about, like,
is it difficult now from you know, doing work in
Pakistan and then you know, being recognized in India, especially
with this current climate, is that that's a tough transition
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for a lot of the artists who were successful in
India too.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Right, No, definitely it has its challenges, right, but then
you have the perks as well, Like I would, I
love to be connected to my roots, So that is
one thing that I really enjoy. And it really depends
on your vision.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
At the end of the day, I would say, mm hmmm, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, I was just saying that being
in Pakistan gives me this opportunity to delve into multiple
things at the same time, which might not have been
passed if I was somewhere else. So that is one
thing that really, you know, does work for me, I believe.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And also the competition is pretty tough out in India anyway,
if you think about it, sort of people from even
the US or UK go out to India to try
and it's a competitive marketplace. And Bully was a complete difference.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Is like one of the biggest movie industry in the world, right, So.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yes, exactly. So it's almost like, you know, you want
to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond in
a way, but you still be effective and still be
as very talented and be successful. And then you're doing
that for and where you are. Would you what would
you say to those then who are trying to make
it and trying to do what you maybe follow similar paths,
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who maybe do sing but they and haven't had a chance,
And how would you, you know, give any what advice
would you give them? I guess who want to pursue
I'm singing, but never deal with the opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I would just say, believe in yourself and just do
it right. When I started, I had zero clue about
how music is made and how to put it out
in the world. But you learn along the way and
you improve and that's how it's done. So I think
what's important is to start right. That is the most
(27:30):
important thing. Just just believe in yourself, work on your craft,
and just do it right.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What about have you ever thought about
coming to La Hollywood mahas.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I've been to La It's a nice place and really
sunny and very laid back wives but as in like
to live or more for the industry, for the music,
maybe to New York or London. I do plan to
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expand you know, right now, I have a production company.
It's called EO Dynamics Studios. As I mentioned it earlier, right,
I started to facilitate my own music video production and
then delved into working for other brands also. So this
is something that I plan to just stick internationally. So
(28:29):
maybe it could be London or New York. I haven't
really thought about LA, but who knows, right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Right, I mean, this is the heart of the entertainment industry,
so just curious.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, it's all about the opportunities that I get along
the way, right, I mean, it's life predicted.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, and you know, music is global, you can go
anywhere and that's the best. So what about collaboration with others?
Any thoughts around that? Do you do you have some
people you'd like to collaborate with and so forth or
any thoughts around that?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah? I would. I think I would love to collaborate
with artists.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Who would I mean, who resonate with my sound and
create from an honesty place just like I do.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
And it could be.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
New artists or established artists. Yeah, but like you know,
the creative synergy should be there and we should be
on the same page. So I would love to collaborate
if the opportunity realizes.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Why not, right, right? I imagine you would. Is anyone
you look up to you're inspired by.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
In music?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah? For music? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah. I love be the Eilish, I love Flannet Delray,
I love their sound. I love arahim On.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I would. I mean it would be a dream to
work with him someday. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's awesome. That's really cool. Well, I mean, you know,
I really want to congratulate you on being able to
get your music out there to you know, shift gears
and go from modeling from fashion and then essentially you know,
trying to bridge all of this and being able to
(30:25):
be vulnerable to produce and sing about what you feel
is important because a lot of artists just tend to
do whatever they think is commercially viable as well, not
something that you're not. But I'm just more that I
think that when it comes from the heart. I mean,
even I heard Adherance and one's like, well, I was
doing stuff and I was just trying to create what
other people listen, but I did it from my heart.
(30:46):
It worked, you know. It's just like so I think
that's the beautiful thing about it. And so.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, it's an honor of being here and talking to you.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Absolutely journey.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I'm thrilled, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh you're welcome with thrilled to have you as well.
So thank you for being on the show. And it's
really pleasure to talk to you, and thank you for
sharing your journey as well with us and making yourself
open to that and inspiring others. So Misha, thanks so
much for being on the show. And yeah, hopefully we'll
talk again very soon.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me. I
loved to be here and it was a really really
good experience.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Thank you, Comar, Thank you have a good one too.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
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Well, hey everyone, and welcome to Ruckus Avenue Radio. I'm
your host, Kamal Kahan, and as you know my show
Bollywood to Hollywood. I always try to bring in guests
that are really inspiring, might bringing about kind of this
sense of inspiration to everyone out there who has an
ambition to be doing something in entertainment that is different,
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that is going to change the game, if you like.
And I love bringing on guests who have done that
and have really challenged the status quotes sometimes as well. Right,
We've got Pakistani artists, Indian artists, We've got artists from
pretty much everywhere in the world, and it's just so
fun to sometimes just get those types of guests who've
kind of been the underdog and have somehow managed to
(00:58):
succeed fight some of the boundaries I've had.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:31):
One person, for example, as a guest, I'll never forget,
she was a doctor for about thirty five years, decided
to become a filmmaker. Pretty amazing, Vikumari. I've had other actors,
casting directors who've always wanted that ambition, but they were
sort of coerced because of their family or because they
(01:51):
didn't have the money or the time or the energy
to really focus on what they really love to do.
So those stories are extremely special because they've kind of
gone against the grain, right, They've really gone about saying,
you know, I want to pursue my passionate. It doesn't
matter when they do it. It could be later on
in life, it could be when they're fifty sixty, whatever,
the fact is that they wanted to do that. Some
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of the singers that we get on the show, they're
actually from Pakistan, not just from India as well, and
then we talk about Bollywood a lot and they are
pretty awesome. Ali Zapha had on my show with his
brother Danny. It was very special. You know, we had
him on Walk of the Stars. We just write there
live and remember on video. This is all sort of
(02:36):
like everything was cool. It's just about post COVID. I
think it was a lot of fun and it's guests
like that. And today I have Isha Rain She's going
to be coming on. She's a singer, Pakistani singer based
in karach but also really inspirational on her journey and
we're going to talk about her and how she managed
(02:56):
to produce her music and some of the challenges face
So you know, if you ever wondered how you can
surmount those And it doesn't matter where you live, right,
we don't have all the resources. Well, these are the
things that we like to talk about. These are all
the sort of things that we create to inspire, as
I like to call it. So, hello everyone, I just
(03:19):
want to welcome our special guest we have on today
on my show Bollywood to Hollywood. And at the moment,
I have got with me the very talented, multi talented
I should say, Isha Rain and she is based in
Karachi in Pakistan. She's a singer, but she has many
(03:39):
other talents as well, which we'll go into. So welcome
to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Asha, Hello, thank you so much for having me on
this show. I am super excited to talk about my journey.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh yeah, we were excited to have you as well.
So tell us a little bit more about you know, Isha,
And we're having this conversation now, and you know, i'd
love to understand that sort of the backstory. I mean,
how did you actually get into singing?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
All right?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
So it happened during COVID and I'm an accidental singer.
So I just happened to accidentally write a song going
through you know, some sort of personal experiences and I have.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
No idea how it happened, but.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, when the song was in my hands, I
just took it as a sign from the universe to
just go ahead and do it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That's awesome. So, yeah, you alls have an accidental singer.
That's amazing. Even though you sang so well, there was
a great accident to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, most certainly.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I discovered music a bit late in my life, but
I am really glad that it did happen for me.
And I don't think that I found music.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think music found me.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And it's an absolute honor too, you know, to do
something that your heart desires and to be able to
tell stories. I love doing music. So far, so far
it's been great.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's fantastic. And you know, we love that that you know,
you basically have that, you know, kind of I was
talking about other guests earlier, and you know, sometimes I've
met people who kind of discover things very late in
their lives. They discovered other talents that they decided there's
something they always wanted to do. And then they end
up doing it, and that's the part that inspires others, right,
I mean it says, you know what, people say, it's
(05:42):
too late. I didn't do it when I was younger,
Why should have started earlier? Whatnot? But they're doing it,
and you're recording and you're actually putting songs out there
into the universe, and that's kind of that's the most
interesting part, right, I mean, this is the thing that
it takes effort, it takes work, and so I'm proud
(06:04):
of you be able to do that. Now, tell us
a little bit about sort of you know, I mean,
you did other things before this, obviously before saying and
I'm assuming in the creative world, right, So obviously things
were going on in your personal life, as you explained,
But is there anything else that kind of we did
before this, right, So in your life that was creative,
you said you had many other talents and ways that
(06:26):
you've worked. So that you know, whether it was in
in Pakistan or it was in London, I'd love for
the audience to hear a bit more about that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yes, I started my career with modeling back in the
days when I was in college, and so it all
started with modeling. Then I moved to London for my education.
I did my fashion design degree and after graduating, I
came back to Pakistan and I started my own brand.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I don't designed for it. It was a retail brand.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I just got back into the fashion industry in Pakistan.
It was great, like back in twenty nineteen. It was
a good start. I was in all the big shows
and then I did my certification in acting. I wanted
to pursue acting. That's what I came back for, to
be in the movies. But unfortunately, like COVID happened and
(07:25):
things shifted from there, right, So that just led me
towards music, and so now I do multiple things.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I have my own production company.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I started to facilitate my own music videos, and I
also style brands, I creative direct. So yeah, I do
actually a couple of things right now.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Great, great, that's fantastic, So style brands and so forth.
So you know, obviously, I mean a lot of things
happened during COVID that people changed careers and so forth,
and I don't I'm not surprised by that. I mean
I started playing more music myself and sort of jamming
and so forth. But what was you know, what did
you do before? I guess is you know what you
(08:09):
focused on and love to know more about the sort
of fashion. What were you modeling? You know, what was
kind of that background and how was it doing that
if you were you know, based in Karaate and the
transition here to London.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
All right, So I was, I would say, studying and
modeling at the same time, and then after graduation I
started exploring things like production and creative direction and styling
and music. It all happened post COVID.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right, So the modeling happened post COVID as well.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
No, I modeling was the first thing, you know, It's
how things get started.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
For me.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Modeling was before I went to London for my degree.
So I started with modeling, and I modeled in London
as well for a bit.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Do you model, Karachi, you model in London as well? Right?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah? Yeah? And now I'm in Lahore. I'm based out
of Lahore, right now.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I moved here last year, Okay, yeah, because I feel.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Lahore is better when it comes to music and fashion,
and so my my main industry is fashion, I would say.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
And I'm still getting into music, like new to music.
But I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That's fantastic. So as I think about that, you know,
and you haven't made this transition from to music. You know,
it's a beautiful thing that you can express yourself to
different realms right in the creative world, right, and that
is so cool. I mean, you know, so when you're
(09:50):
in karachi, and I mean, by the way, Lahore, I
mean so you probably for those listeners who don't know,
why do you think fashion and the music industries it's
better in the hold versus karachi.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Used to be the other other way around.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Back in the days before I moved to the UK,
the karachi was flourishing and everything. But I don't know
what happened when I came back to Pakistan. The things
had shifted and Lahar had more you know, independent and
creative people working in fashion, like makeup artists and photographers
and models, and it just got better, right.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
More opportunities, more brands.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, okay, And I mean any particular type of model
that you did, was it fashion shows? Was it like advertising?
What was it that really? You know, you enjoyed most.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
With magazines and run away mostly, And we used to
have billboards back then, so it was a bit of everything.
I did a few commercials also, but mostly like it
was fashion, so print media and run.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Is it one particular one that really sort of stands
out for you that it was something that was close
to your heart.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, shoots fashion, shoots editorials for fashion magazines and brands,
and I still love it.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I still do it every now and then.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah. And I enjoyed walking on the ramp as well.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I've done some big shows like Fashion Bakstan, we Come
Showcase United Nations, right.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Is there any particular sort of brand that you worked
with that was really kind of exciting for you.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I just got my modeling break from a bit with
Catwalk Productions.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Free owned it owns it. She still does.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
When I started, it was pretty big in Bakstan. And
I was also signed with Citrus Modeling.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And that's how I got my break in modeling.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Nice, I don't know any of these brands, so for
especially for our listeners, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Citrus et Cetera Talent is one of the biggest modeling
agencies in Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Talent agencies we.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Do commercials like for television and now social media. I
no longer signed with them, but I that's how I
started back in the days.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
That is great, isn't it? And I guess you get
to be in mults of commercials in Pakistan and so
forth as a result of that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Back in the days, we used to you know, like
shoot a lot of TV commercials before social media happened,
so it was it was big.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah. So what's the just for you coming from the
industry in Pakistan? How is the transition from going from
Pakistan to London.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
It was very exciting.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Doing like being in the fashion industry in London is
you know, like to completely different worlds and I was
very honored to be there and learn from the best
in the best. So I went to an Italian university.
It was it was a learning experience. I met a
(13:11):
lot of interesting people and it was just awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Great Okay, Italian University in London, you mean.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, it's Stude Maranngni London School of Fashion.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Nice okay. And what was that like for you?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It was.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
A tremendous, tremendously learning experience, I would say, coming from Pakistan,
and I was the only student at that time from Pakistan,
so it was pretty exciting and it was just just
really nice.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, very different, right and to be able to
have the you know, coming from Pakistan and being able
to represent, if you like, right in London and Italian
sort of school institute, that's pretty cool, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
They teach you stuff like research and design, which I
we we did not know in Pakistan, so definitely it
was an amazing experience learning wise. They also haven't have
a campus in la mm hmm, I'm not sure if
you know about that.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, they do have a campus in la as well.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That's awesome. Well, this is good. We're gonna take a
little break here for our audience and we'll come back
in a second. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Hell, you're listening to Ruckus Avenue Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
He so welcome back. We have Ischha Rain with us
here who is a model turned singer and a multi
talented and now she has our own production company. So
we're just having the conversation about her journey and her experience.
So Isha, let's sort of shift gears for a second.
(15:15):
Tell me a little bit about this singing. You've got
a new track out, Baba Pha, what sort of inspired
you to have that song out? And let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, Beba pars I would say my most vulnerable piece
that I've created so far. It comes from a very
raw place. I was in a very different, different I
would say situation when I wrote the song, right.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, and can explain that elaborate please, like as in,
where is this stem from? What was your journey? What
was it that made you know? What was vulnerable about it?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You know?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The lyrics comes from a very like It's one of
my most personal songs I've released so far, and I
wrote it during an emotionally intense chapter of my life,
so it's more like a confession, I would say. And
the song was is produced by Ali Mustafa. It's who's
one of the best in the business and he's worked
(16:24):
with a major a Bollywood and Pakistani hits and he
really pushed me vocally, so you know it's very dreamy
and melancholic and honest.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, it's almost haunting right in a in a good way. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I call it my haunting lullaby.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so I am. And you know where
did the name come from? Beba? What would what inspired
you there?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It just comes from a very as I mentioned, a
difficult night and you know, being with someone who cannot
meet you where you are, so, you know, as the
word means baby fund means unfaithful, right m M.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, yeah, So I mean having to pull your heart
out on this song, right, must have been pretty difficult.
But also to write it and so forth and find
the right lyrics to express yourself. Did you feel a
sense of satisfaction being able to sort of express it,
you know, and and and then basically release that you
(17:35):
know song.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I think it takes a lot of courage to be
vulnerable in your art, you know, coming from an honest place.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
It's not easy, and especially.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Portraying that into your lyrics and just being absolutely raw
and honest. And I don't think I have done it
like this before with any of my songs. So at
times it was overwhelming, for sure, But I'm glad that
I went through with it.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
And yeah, and I had a very.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Supportive team, an absolutely amazing team which made it happen.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
So I'm actually glad that I worked on this track.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Right, right. And for those who are probably going to
try and find it, where where can they find your song? Well,
look for it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
That's on Spotify, but I mean, yeah, it's it's out
there on all major streaming platforms. Primarily Spotify, iTunes, Apple Music,
YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Deezer, all the major music streaming platforms, right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Now, yeah, yeah, that's right. And how do you feel
about now that it's out and it was a reaction
to it, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Well?
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Okay, so Bebefa was released on twenty seventh, which was
like five days ago, so it's still a baby. I mean,
it's just I just put it out in the world,
and so far I am getting good response from the listeners. See,
it's a heartbreak ballot, so it's intense, it's vulnerable. So
(19:23):
the people who actually connect with it, the lyrics and
the music, they've been giving me really positive feedback, which is,
I think, which is what every artist needs to you know,
go on and release such tracks in future as.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, right right, yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm very intense when it comes to my writing and
I create from emotion and so yeah, it's been good
and I've been getting positive reviews so far.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah. Now, let's go back for two your previous songs, maybe, right,
I mean, is there any particular track that you know
that you want to call out? I know there's a
couple that you have that are so good as well.
And you know the theme of your songs, right, They're
obviously very personal and I think it's always nice when
something is very personal to you that you know you
perform those right, And couldn't the lyrics any particular one
(20:20):
that you stands out to you? And did you make
a music video?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah? Yeah, so so far? This is my fourth track.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The songs that I did before Viva Fa all came
with a music video. The last one was shot in Toronto.
It was recorded in Karachi. It's called Rajah. I think
I think you've heard the track right, we didn't have?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So yeah, I loved that one. I would say, Renda,
it's it's a blues and rb R and B pop
anthem about love, heartbreak and you know, the bitter sweet emotions.
So I really like that one, and I love the
music video, U as I said, So, I released it end.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Of last year, right, then? How did that go?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It was? It was good, I would say, not not
bad at all, And but I would say that I've
worked on my vocals a lot in a year. So
BEFI is bea is I would say comes from a roist,
(21:39):
darker place than.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Uh, did it was, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Maybe it would resonate deeply with anyone who has ever
experienced love and loss, but it's it's sweeter than.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Beaver, right, Yeah, that's right, of course it is. And
you know that's a nice thing. Like I mean, you've
got a different sort of starting it. And I think
also it depends on the phase of your life, right too,
and what when you do these things, So that makes
a big difference to all right, we'll take another quick
break here just for a second, and we'll come back.
You show.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
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Speaker 1 (22:36):
Gooper, So welcome back everyone. We've got Isha Rain with
us here today on our show Bollywood to Hollywood and
I'm your host Kamal Kahan, and so Issuan is telling
us more about the songs that she's released recently, some
very close to her heart, especially Beveraphar, which you can
check out and spotify all the basically the the channels
(22:59):
out distribution, so go check it out. It's a lovely,
lovely song. And Issha, what about your family did they
how how supportive were they? About you doing music or modeling,
especially you know, knowing that in box on it's it's
not an easy path to take.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
In the beginning, they were a bit concerned and somewhat reluctant,
you know, especially when I joined modeling industry. But over
the years, I would say things have shifted, for sure,
and now they're way more supportive of my.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Of my journey. And it's nice, Like my mom is
very supportive and so all my brothers. So I think
I'm lucky when it comes to that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's fortunate, right to have that
support from your parents. And uh and for fourth, I mean,
and I don't I'm not surprised to be concerned, right
because and how is that hard? Things now? I mean
being things have changed over time, right, I mean before
versus now. I mean they see a lot of female
singers and also male singers and actors and whatnot. And
(24:10):
the dramas are so popular too write in Pakistan, so
I kind of see.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Sorry, Yeah, they're massive in Bakstan, right, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Right, I mean they're basically like household like superstars.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So would you say that things have shifted for for
women to do modeling in Pakistan? Now and it's not
less of a taboo, No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Things have really shifted, I would say, in the last
ten years or so, and now you know, you see
girls from good family backgrounds and educated and everything and
they're coming into this industry.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So it's I wouldn't say that it's a taboo anymore.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
H yeah, more there, especially with social media, things have shifted, right.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right, especially with social media, right, I mean, people do
things whether it's through YouTube or others and just basically
get some get themselves out there, right, So I think
that's amazing and and I mean I ever thought about, like,
is it difficult now from you know, doing work in
Pakistan and then you know, being recognized in India, especially
with this current climate, is that that's a tough transition
(25:22):
for a lot of the artists who were successful in
India too.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Right, No, definitely it has its challenges, right, but then
you have the perks as well, Like I would, I
love to be connected to my roots, So that is
one thing that I really enjoy. And it really depends
on your vision.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
At the end of the day, I would say, mm hmmm, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, I was just saying that being
in Pakistan gives me this opportunity to delve into multiple
things at the same time, which might not have been
passed if I was somewhere else. So that is one
thing that really, you know, does work for me, I believe.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
And also the competition is pretty tough out in India anyway,
if you think about it, sort of people from even
the US or UK go out to India to try
and it's a competitive marketplace. And Bully was a complete difference.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Is like one of the biggest movie industry in the world, right, So.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yes, exactly. So it's almost like, you know, you want
to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond in
a way, but you still be effective and still be
as very talented and be successful. And then you're doing
that for and where you are. Would you what would
you say to those then who are trying to make
it and trying to do what you maybe follow similar paths,
(26:49):
who maybe do sing but they and haven't had a chance,
And how would you, you know, give any what advice
would you give them? I guess who want to pursue
I'm singing, but never deal with the opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I would just say, believe in yourself and just do
it right. When I started, I had zero clue about
how music is made and how to put it out
in the world. But you learn along the way and
you improve and that's how it's done. So I think
what's important is to start right. That is the most
(27:30):
important thing. Just just believe in yourself, work on your craft,
and just do it right.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What about have you ever thought about
coming to La Hollywood mahas.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I've been to La It's a nice place and really
sunny and very laid back wives but as in like
to live or more for the industry, for the music,
maybe to New York or London. I do plan to
(28:06):
expand you know, right now, I have a production company.
It's called EO Dynamics Studios. As I mentioned it earlier, right,
I started to facilitate my own music video production and
then delved into working for other brands also. So this
is something that I plan to just stick internationally. So
(28:29):
maybe it could be London or New York. I haven't
really thought about LA, but who knows, right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Right, I mean, this is the heart of the entertainment industry,
so just curious.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, it's all about the opportunities that I get along
the way, right, I mean, it's life predicted.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, and you know, music is global, you can go
anywhere and that's the best. So what about collaboration with others?
Any thoughts around that? Do you do you have some
people you'd like to collaborate with and so forth or
any thoughts around that?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah? I would. I think I would love to collaborate
with artists.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Who would I mean, who resonate with my sound and
create from an honesty place just like I do.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
And it could be.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
New artists or established artists. Yeah, but like you know,
the creative synergy should be there and we should be
on the same page. So I would love to collaborate
if the opportunity realizes.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Why not, right, right? I imagine you would. Is anyone
you look up to you're inspired by.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
In music?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah? For music? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah. I love be the Eilish, I love Flannet Delray,
I love their sound. I love arahim On.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I would. I mean it would be a dream to
work with him someday. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
That's awesome. That's really cool. Well, I mean, you know,
I really want to congratulate you on being able to
get your music out there to you know, shift gears
and go from modeling from fashion and then essentially you know,
trying to bridge all of this and being able to
(30:25):
be vulnerable to produce and sing about what you feel
is important because a lot of artists just tend to
do whatever they think is commercially viable as well, not
something that you're not. But I'm just more that I
think that when it comes from the heart. I mean,
even I heard Adherance and one's like, well, I was
doing stuff and I was just trying to create what
other people listen, but I did it from my heart.
(30:46):
It worked, you know. It's just like so I think
that's the beautiful thing about it. And so.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, it's an honor of being here and talking to you.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Absolutely journey.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I'm thrilled, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh you're welcome with thrilled to have you as well.
So thank you for being on the show. And it's
really pleasure to talk to you, and thank you for
sharing your journey as well with us and making yourself
open to that and inspiring others. So Misha, thanks so
much for being on the show. And yeah, hopefully we'll
talk again very soon.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me. I
loved to be here and it was a really really
good experience.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Thank you, Comar, Thank you have a good one too.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
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