October 31, 2025 • 19 mins
Happy Halloween! Today we are talking about a spooky adjacent movie, the 2014 Lifetime movie Flowers in the Attic! They tone down the incest but keep the bad mother figures at a 10! What is your favorite Kiernan Shipka moment and why is it also her one episode of Don't Trust the B in Apartment 23?
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Ooh, I have no clue what number this is.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's another movie night, that's what this is.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I don't know. Close to thirty. Anyways, it's a movie
night again. The Flowers in the Attic movie is for
free on to be the twenty fourteen Lifetime movie Flowers
in the Attic amazing, and Douanne has the cast for us.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, I haven't watched it yet. I will probably watch
it after this, honestly. But here's our cast. So we
have Kiaran Chipka and she's Catherine Kathy it's been so long.
Mason Die is Chris. Heather Graham, Yeah, Heather Graham's in it.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
She's the mom.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yep, she's the mom. Ellen Burston I'm assuming it's a grandma.
Ava Telek is Carrie. Maxwell Kovac is Corey. I don't
know any of these people, is what I'm realizing. Dylan
Bruce is Bartwin's low, Chad Willett is the dad who
(01:08):
obviously dies pretty fast. Bo Daniels is the grandpa, and
then it seems like those are the main characters.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, there's really not a lot of people in this movie.
It's a short movie, and you know what, there's only
one person we know and that's Scar and a ship
get oh headed Grandmaso.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
But yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Karen shipkis in this movie. I love her because of
one thing. She was in one episode of It's Not
the Chilling Adventress Sabrina, and that's not why I'm a fan.
I didn't even finish that show. She was in one
episode of Don't Trust to Be an Apartment twenty three.
We're her and James Vanderbeker is supposed to be a
movie together where they switch bodies and he plays her
dad and she's like a teen and it's a flop
(01:47):
and everybody's like, this is awful, and it's it's a
great episode because she's just like trying to help him
become a like learn how to act like a teen girl,
and she's like this just isn't working.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, good for her. I'm glad she has that
because yeah, I know her from Chilling Adventures of Sabrina,
which we did not finish.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, never finished it. She's also a madman like girl
is famous, but I like her from one episode of
Don't Trust to Be in Partment too. I three. Anyways,
so we start with the voiceover. It's Kathy Karen Shika,
the main character going like talking about I don't know
(02:25):
stuff I don't remember. It was pretty much just like
things are bad. And it's also like as a camera
moves through Foxworth Hall, which it has a sign that
looks like it's a straight up from like a summer camp.
This is fox with all on the house, then we
could do no. Dad's going home from like a business trip,
and Kathy and Chris are full on teens. They're like old,
(02:48):
but I mean he's speak teen in like twelve or
whatever when it starts.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I guess it makes sense that in the in a movie,
they're gonna make it a little easier instead of being
like where they start like ten and twelve. When they
go in the attic, how old are I think they're
like twelve and fourteen, I don't remember. I don't know
it's fifteen sixteen when they escape, I think.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Anyways, so the dad announces, well, okay, so the parents,
he gives the mom and neckuesce. They start making it
on from the children, and I'm like, that's a little much.
They dad goes and plays football with the kids, and
then he announces that they got promotion, and Kathy runs
her room to cry because girl hates money. I guess
her dad goes up to comfort her. He gives her
a ring, but it's like a promised ring. I don't know.
(03:34):
She puts it on her middle fingers, so it's not
anything weird. Weird supposedly and so gift. He says, this
costs a lot of money. Then we're at the dad's
surprise party and they hear someone pull up and they
all hide and a cop walks into their house without knocking,
and surprise, they have a dead dad. I wanted them
to yell surprise this cop, but that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
They didn't, but he did fully not even knock. He
just walks into this house.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Surprise, there's a it's not a murder, an it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's so their mom is like sad and they're all sad,
and then she's like, hey, good news she's been writing letters.
Or you live with my parents who suck but are rich.
She's like, they're the worst. She already mentioned her mom
is like the worst person, and now she's like, oh
my god, we gotta go live with them. Isn't that great?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And they're like, what, you're not really selling this, but
I guess.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. So they take a train and walk to the
house in the middle of the night and are let
in by a mean looking old lady who's like, hey,
be the be fucking quiet, and she leads them up
the stairs to a room with two beds, and immediately
she's like, okay, the two older kids are too old
to sleep in the same bed, so like boys and
girls together, and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I mean,
it doesn't matter really, but okay. She ends up not
(04:46):
being wrong about Kathy and Chris, so like, I guess
girl has a point. Yeah, so their mom, well then
she's also like God sees everything, and okay, and then
mom was like, okay, so I kind of didn't mention this,
but my mom hates and also my dad doesn't know
you guys are here or exist, but we're here, Like,
but like, I just need some time to make him
(05:06):
love me again so we can inherit his money because
dude's gonna die soon. Yeah, the grandma comes back and
makes it, tries to make Kathy give her her ring,
and her dad dat her and I thought she hands
it over, but later on she has the ring, so
I guess she doesn't. But she's like, give me that
a fucking ring. She's like, my daddy gave me this,
and she said, your dad's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, not wrong, But the child doesn't know that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, well, she'll find out exactly what's going on in
a minute. But the next day, the grandma then gives
them rules and food and it's like, hey, if you
get caught, your grandpa will pinish you for even being alive,
So like having an eye to play on isn't even
that bad because you could be getting murdered for being alive,
so really be thankful. Yeah, the mom comes back upstairs
and is forced to show the kids that she got
(05:50):
whipped by her mom, that old ass lady and the grandpa. Like.
The grandma, while she makes her show her bloody back,
is like this is what happens when you're evil, and
like the fact that you guys were born is an abomination,
and she wants everyone to know that she is top
bitch in charge, so you watch out. The mom later
then explains that her mom is all mad because she
(06:14):
married her uncle, her dad's half brother, and Kathy's like
what and Chris is like, oh my god, chill, Like
that's not even a big deal, Mom, no probs. Cathy's
like our dad and she's like yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's like no biggie okay, and Kathy's.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Like Chris is like no probs. The mom then stops
like visiting them for a long time. She's like gone
for weeks and eventually comes back with presents talking about
how like ref her life has been and how literly
she just only now got to go sailing, and also
she's like going to a movie with a friend, so
she can't like hang out for long and Gothy's like, okay, girl,
(06:50):
when we finally gonna leave, and like I went out
of here, Chris, it's just like, oh my god, stop
bulling mommy being so rude, because Causie like I would
love to give selling the twins would like to be outside,
and she's like go hard for me, and the mom
was the like, actually I could just like like I
can't tell my dad about you because he only likes
(07:10):
me because I swore I didn't have many kids, so
you guys got away from to die and yeah, because
first she was like I'm just gonna tell him, like
I'm getting to like me, They'll tell him about you guys,
and can oh meet him and he'll love us. But no,
so Kathy's like, get the fuck out of here. And
later the twins are like, we miss mom, and she said, hey,
(07:30):
why don't we just pretend I'm your mom? Because I
love them as much as like, I love you guys
as much as a mom would, and she's their caretaker,
so she's their mother at this point.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Then it's Christmas and their mom gets them a TV
and it's like, hey, things are bad. You have a TV.
And then she's like, you could go spy and Kristen
she's like going this fancy party, and Chris and Cathy
were like, we want to go to a party, and
she's like, okay, you can spy in the party. Here's
like a place I used to hang out as a
kid where nobody will see you. So their mom also
(07:59):
went to there's this guy named Burt Winslow. He's their
dad's attorney. And then she's okay, I'm gonna be back
in the litt soon, Alan hair everything. Then we'll be
rich and everything will be great. So at the party,
they are peeping on everything and they see their mom
kiss her dad on the lips, which is weird. He's
an old man, but whatever, I guess, and then he
(08:20):
gives her fancy necklace while everyone watches, and it's really awkward,
like why do you gotta watch this? And everybody has
like cheered. That's Wheat puts it on in front of everyone.
It's strange. So then they see their mom and with
Bart Winslow kissing and talking about their lives together as
just the two of us, and they're like, oh, but
they do keep the swan bed in the movie. I
(08:40):
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't know if you remember that is iconic.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, it is in the movie. Don't worry, thank god.
So Chris goes snooping around after Kathy goes back to bed,
and he finds like he finds swan bed and the
necklace that his dad gave his mom is just like
on the nightstand. So he's like, oh my god, she's
forgot my dad. Then, so the mom goes to like
the kid's room that night, and when Christopher's in there,
(09:06):
she tells Kathy that they're never leaving that room again,
and when Chris walks in, she slaps him. He's like, Hey,
if you do that again, I'm gonna whip you and
I'm gonna whip Kathy stuff, you know what the fuck? Yeah,
she gets up the next day and it kind of
apologizes and then gaslights them and he's like, oh my god,
like what's all totally right now? Like we'll just leave,
like we won't have any money, we can never come back,
(09:27):
but like, I will totally leave right now if my
kids don't love me, since all of my kids apparently
hate me.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
She's the worst. I forgot how annoying she is.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
She's honestly the villain, the grandma bad, but the mom worse.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well yeah, she like really uses this to her advantage.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, and Chris is like, oh my god, mommy, we
don't hate you, and then he comes and hugs her,
and Kathy eventually goes up, but Kathy does hate her
because she's right she is. Then it's been a year
and they're still there, and the twins are growing, but Kathy,
she is growing in the chest area. They make a
point of being like, girl has baby, she's had them
the whole time. She's fully an adult. But anyway, well
(10:04):
she's a teen, but Chris is noticing, and their mom
gets her a Mormon looking bra because I guess the fifties,
it's like a full last tap top ye, and she's
like trying it on when Chris comes in and he
sees her, and of course their grandma comes in at
that moment when he's like looking at her wearing just
a bra, and she's like he fucking sluts and ends
up doting Tar and Kathy's hair to punish.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Them, and I remember yep.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Then it's like two years later and they had it
seen their mom in months, and she comes back in
and is like, oh my god, hey guys, guess what.
I got married. And I was on my honeymoon. That's
why I was gone. But don't even worry. I got
you gifts. And Chris is like, fucking bitch, you got
fucking married, and Kathy's like, bitch, I at Bart doesn't
even know we exist, and he don't He does not
know this lady has kids. He just married a woman
(10:49):
without knowing she has her children lost in an attic.
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You never know what kind of baggage bitches be happening.
It's you know, Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The Internet did save us from that, because you know
she would have posted on them on Facebook before. Well
maybe not. I mean, there are her incest kids Anyways, Yeah,
that night, the grandma brings them donuts and it's like, hey,
they're from your mom, but like, you shouldn't eat them,
they're bad for your health, winking she was trying to
warn them. Grandma a hero of the story. So Kathy
tells Chris that they should take the twins and escape,
(11:18):
and they're looking out the window and they see a
deer get shot, and the grandma comes in and whips
Chris for looking out the window because it's during the
day so they could be noticed illegal. Yeah, but Folis
managed to shooting a deer in the yard. They also
noticed that a fence is getting put up. It's an
electric fence, elastic. Yeah. Later, after he got whipped, Kathy
(11:40):
is cleaning his wounds and they kiss and it's like quick,
we don't they're suddle on the incest in this movie. Anyways,
next morning, Kathy's like, I know what we did was wrong,
but it felt so right and I'm like, girl, what.
Then their grandma comes in and Chris starts like he's
holding a Bible and he starts like saying they're evil
and that she was right and asking for forget this,
and she's just like boy, that's the lord's job and leaves,
(12:03):
but he was like on his knees grabbing her hands.
But he wasn't getting religious. For no reason. He had
made a soap imprint of the key, so he had
like a little piece of soap in his hand and
he got named printed that key. Yeah. So they're planning
on stinking around and stealing money from their mom to
prepare for their escape, and they're like they see the
new fence that comes up and Chris, when I goes
(12:25):
out to inspect it and he like, he's walking around
the house and he overhears his mom and Bart talking
and Bart's like, hey, I had a dream of blonde
girl came in and kissed me. And their mom knows
what's up, and Chris also knows what's up. So he
goes say yalla, Kathy and grabs her arm hard and
she's like, you're hurting me and he lets go eventually,
but she forgives him and they start kissing and presumably
(12:46):
they have sex, and I'm like, okay, Yeah. Chris says
he doesn't feel bad about being into his sister. He's like,
you know what, I like that, I'm on Tia. It's
not even a problem, and she's like, okay. Corey then
gets sick and it's throwing up for hours. It's like, hey,
he needs to go to the hospital. And their mom
comes in and slaps Kathy because like the granma gets
the mom and she comes in slaps Kathy for saying
(13:08):
she's not doing anything. And I'm like, well, your son
is dying and you are not doing anything, and Kathy
slaps her right back, as she should. Good for you, Kathy,
and the grandma is like, Kathy's right, Like that kid
needs to go to a hospital. So the mom grabs
Corey and leaves with him. And the mom comes back
the next day and it's like, so I took up
to the hospital. He had pneumonia, and I'm like, pneumonia,
don't make you throw up like that? What that's not
(13:30):
a symptom of a pneumonia And she's like uh, and
he's dead. We also already buried him, so that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Don't question it. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah. So that they're like, okay, we need to leave
before like we all die, and they go to like
take as much as they can that night, but they
find their mom's room is emptied out and she left
a picture of their dad and the neck was from
their dad, like in a drawer and it stood up,
just a picture of the dad, like a headshot of him.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I'm like, why do you weird?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Interesting? And Chris is like that bitch is dead to us.
Now we gotta leave tonight. And then when don't going
to Florida? For reasons unknown, I guess Florida sounds nice
when you're second attic, Florida would sound nice, you know,
You're like, I want some sunshine, yeah, orangees, Yeah, they're
in Virginia, the Florida and Flora.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So Chris goes in his grandpa's office, like find stuff
to take and overhere some of the servants talking about
how brat poison is being brought up to the attic
every day, and also Grandpa's been dead for seven months.
He moves not past the dead for seven months thing,
and he like, He's like, okay, the nancys his grandma
without her wig on, and it is scary, and I'm like,
that is a good scare. She looks creepy. He goes
(14:44):
upstairs and he's like, we need to get the fuck
out of here. They are poisoning us. And then the
grandma walks it, It's like, bitch, give me your key,
but they fight back and then she's like, you're gonna
whip an old lady and I'm like, do it? But
he Yeah, he gives the kid to Kathy, who runs
upstairs with it, and the grandma chases them, but she
is claustrophobic and she does not like up in the attic,
(15:04):
and so like Chris comes in behind her, closes the door,
turns off the light. Grandma starts to freak out, and
they're like, you're gonna be punished, and she's like, hey,
your mom was one poisoning you, not me. I was
just an accomplish, not actually the one doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Different.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, so they grabbed their rope that they used to
climb out the window and go like out the window
and the rope does break. Yeah, oh my goodness, was
this scary or is this very scary for you?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Because the rope was free ropes break, Sydney Well, because at.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
First I thought Kathy wasn't like gonna be down, but
then they were all on the ground and I was like,
I guess the rope broke after.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
It's a convenient rope because it showed it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Breaking when Chris went Because Chris went down first, it
showed it breaking and I was like, oh, it's gonna break. Wow,
carry's going down. Yeah, it could be fun, and I said, Nope,
we're good. Don't even worry about that rope.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So yeah, that's really good at jumping, so don't worry
about her.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well, then they just show them on the ground running off.
So they're on the ground. They run into a servant
on the way out and he has a gun and
he's trying to stop them because he's like intruders, question mark.
But they're like, hey, we're Karen's kids because Kuren's their
mom's name. And he looks at them and he's like,
oh shit, you just look like Gran and he's horrified.
He's like, we've been up in the attic this whole time.
(16:17):
And he's like what the fuck. And he's like, okay,
get out of here. Jesus Christ, like, what the hell
is happening in this house? Yeah, So he lets the
lad and he's like I will be sent to look
after you. I'm sure later, come after you later, but
like get the fuck out now. Which turned the fence
off for you. Yeah, because it's an electric fence, so
each turns off the electric fence. I know, mister Wilmo's done,
(16:37):
and they climb over. I guess they make it to
the train and Kathy thinks about how she will see
her mom again and she's gonna make her mom feel
bad about all this the end yikes.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean, yeah, that is pretty accurate to what I
remember from the book.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So yeah, it was pretty settle on the incests, which
I appreciated. Yeah, I just ed's wild, like Karen a
ship can twenty fourteen post Magnate is in this movie.
It's a leftime movie.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Kind of wild and random that yeah. I mean, I
guess this was probably before her career like really took off,
but you would think Madam.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, it's before The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina because that
didn't come out until twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, or on there.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But still yeah, crazy, I know too. Micah also watched it,
so he has some thoughts. Would you like to share
a buddy, Nope, just yawns.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh. He thinks it's boring.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
He said, if the book was better, it was.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Said, I'm I'm not into a movie adaptations. I prefer
the original script. You can't really get everything that you
see in the book on a movie in ninety minutes. Yeah.
I think you're right. It's a really good thought. I mean,
you're so smart for your age. I'm glad you could
be here for this episode and give your thoughts as well.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, he said. I woke up because I heard you
were recording without me, and I said, that's not fair.
I also saw this movie.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
He's right, he should be included. He's a member of
this podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is he is a very important member? Homes true? He said. Also,
it's my first Halloween.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Happy Halloween to mean Micah, happy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, you don't know what that means, but it's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Oh, he thinks it's boring again.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
No, he said, I just gotta get you a little
nap in before party tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah. Are you gonna make him watch Halloween Town?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Probably? I was gonna try to watch the original Halloween,
but so they don't have it, so we might just
watch Halloween Too or Halloween Town if I could get
the DVD player to work.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, hopefully, because it's today, so.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We will see. We will watch one of those. Because
Halloween Too, I think is on Peacock, so we can
watch that for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That'll be fine. But yeah, there you go, guys, the
first movie night in a while. I hope you liked it,
bringing it back to a classic. Yeah, make sure to
check out all our other movie nights. There's maybe at
least thirty of them, We're not sure, and let us
know what you think. Give us a little five star review.
Wherever you listen to podcasts, why not.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, you can watch the original remake or a depiction
of this also on TB Perhaps I don't know. Maybe
when did that come out. I didn't check eighties in
the nineties maybe one of those possibly. Anyways, you can
find us on Instagram, at bookal podcast, on TikTok, at
book holt pod, and online a book gold pod dotwordpress
dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, so happy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Mica says hi and bye you say bye bye? No, nope,
just parts instead
Ooh, I have no clue what number this is.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's another movie night, that's what this is.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I don't know. Close to thirty. Anyways, it's a movie
night again. The Flowers in the Attic movie is for
free on to be the twenty fourteen Lifetime movie Flowers
in the Attic amazing, and Douanne has the cast for us.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, I haven't watched it yet. I will probably watch
it after this, honestly. But here's our cast. So we
have Kiaran Chipka and she's Catherine Kathy it's been so long.
Mason Die is Chris. Heather Graham, Yeah, Heather Graham's in it.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
She's the mom.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yep, she's the mom. Ellen Burston I'm assuming it's a grandma.
Ava Telek is Carrie. Maxwell Kovac is Corey. I don't
know any of these people, is what I'm realizing. Dylan
Bruce is Bartwin's low, Chad Willett is the dad who
(01:08):
obviously dies pretty fast. Bo Daniels is the grandpa, and
then it seems like those are the main characters.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, there's really not a lot of people in this movie.
It's a short movie, and you know what, there's only
one person we know and that's Scar and a ship
get oh headed Grandmaso.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
But yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Karen shipkis in this movie. I love her because of
one thing. She was in one episode of It's Not
the Chilling Adventress Sabrina, and that's not why I'm a fan.
I didn't even finish that show. She was in one
episode of Don't Trust to Be an Apartment twenty three.
We're her and James Vanderbeker is supposed to be a
movie together where they switch bodies and he plays her
dad and she's like a teen and it's a flop
(01:47):
and everybody's like, this is awful, and it's it's a
great episode because she's just like trying to help him
become a like learn how to act like a teen girl,
and she's like this just isn't working.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, good for her. I'm glad she has that
because yeah, I know her from Chilling Adventures of Sabrina,
which we did not finish.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, never finished it. She's also a madman like girl
is famous, but I like her from one episode of
Don't Trust to Be in Partment too. I three. Anyways,
so we start with the voiceover. It's Kathy Karen Shika,
the main character going like talking about I don't know
(02:25):
stuff I don't remember. It was pretty much just like
things are bad. And it's also like as a camera
moves through Foxworth Hall, which it has a sign that
looks like it's a straight up from like a summer camp.
This is fox with all on the house, then we
could do no. Dad's going home from like a business trip,
and Kathy and Chris are full on teens. They're like old,
(02:48):
but I mean he's speak teen in like twelve or
whatever when it starts.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I guess it makes sense that in the in a movie,
they're gonna make it a little easier instead of being
like where they start like ten and twelve. When they
go in the attic, how old are I think they're
like twelve and fourteen, I don't remember. I don't know
it's fifteen sixteen when they escape, I think.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Anyways, so the dad announces, well, okay, so the parents,
he gives the mom and neckuesce. They start making it
on from the children, and I'm like, that's a little much.
They dad goes and plays football with the kids, and
then he announces that they got promotion, and Kathy runs
her room to cry because girl hates money. I guess
her dad goes up to comfort her. He gives her
a ring, but it's like a promised ring. I don't know.
(03:34):
She puts it on her middle fingers, so it's not
anything weird. Weird supposedly and so gift. He says, this
costs a lot of money. Then we're at the dad's
surprise party and they hear someone pull up and they
all hide and a cop walks into their house without knocking,
and surprise, they have a dead dad. I wanted them
to yell surprise this cop, but that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Was gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
They didn't, but he did fully not even knock. He
just walks into this house.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Surprise, there's a it's not a murder, an it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's so their mom is like sad and they're all sad,
and then she's like, hey, good news she's been writing letters.
Or you live with my parents who suck but are rich.
She's like, they're the worst. She already mentioned her mom
is like the worst person, and now she's like, oh
my god, we gotta go live with them. Isn't that great?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And they're like, what, you're not really selling this, but
I guess.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. So they take a train and walk to the
house in the middle of the night and are let
in by a mean looking old lady who's like, hey,
be the be fucking quiet, and she leads them up
the stairs to a room with two beds, and immediately
she's like, okay, the two older kids are too old
to sleep in the same bed, so like boys and
girls together, and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I mean,
it doesn't matter really, but okay. She ends up not
(04:46):
being wrong about Kathy and Chris, so like, I guess
girl has a point. Yeah, so their mom, well then
she's also like God sees everything, and okay, and then
mom was like, okay, so I kind of didn't mention this,
but my mom hates and also my dad doesn't know
you guys are here or exist, but we're here, Like,
but like, I just need some time to make him
(05:06):
love me again so we can inherit his money because
dude's gonna die soon. Yeah, the grandma comes back and
makes it, tries to make Kathy give her her ring,
and her dad dat her and I thought she hands
it over, but later on she has the ring, so
I guess she doesn't. But she's like, give me that
a fucking ring. She's like, my daddy gave me this,
and she said, your dad's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, not wrong, But the child doesn't know that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, well, she'll find out exactly what's going on in
a minute. But the next day, the grandma then gives
them rules and food and it's like, hey, if you
get caught, your grandpa will pinish you for even being alive,
So like having an eye to play on isn't even
that bad because you could be getting murdered for being alive,
so really be thankful. Yeah, the mom comes back upstairs
and is forced to show the kids that she got
(05:50):
whipped by her mom, that old ass lady and the grandpa. Like.
The grandma, while she makes her show her bloody back,
is like this is what happens when you're evil, and
like the fact that you guys were born is an abomination,
and she wants everyone to know that she is top
bitch in charge, so you watch out. The mom later
then explains that her mom is all mad because she
(06:14):
married her uncle, her dad's half brother, and Kathy's like
what and Chris is like, oh my god, chill, Like
that's not even a big deal, Mom, no probs. Cathy's
like our dad and she's like yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's like no biggie okay, and Kathy's.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Like Chris is like no probs. The mom then stops
like visiting them for a long time. She's like gone
for weeks and eventually comes back with presents talking about
how like ref her life has been and how literly
she just only now got to go sailing, and also
she's like going to a movie with a friend, so
she can't like hang out for long and Gothy's like, okay, girl,
(06:50):
when we finally gonna leave, and like I went out
of here, Chris, it's just like, oh my god, stop
bulling mommy being so rude, because Causie like I would
love to give selling the twins would like to be outside,
and she's like go hard for me, and the mom
was the like, actually I could just like like I
can't tell my dad about you because he only likes
(07:10):
me because I swore I didn't have many kids, so
you guys got away from to die and yeah, because
first she was like I'm just gonna tell him, like
I'm getting to like me, They'll tell him about you guys,
and can oh meet him and he'll love us. But no,
so Kathy's like, get the fuck out of here. And
later the twins are like, we miss mom, and she said, hey,
(07:30):
why don't we just pretend I'm your mom? Because I
love them as much as like, I love you guys
as much as a mom would, and she's their caretaker,
so she's their mother at this point.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Then it's Christmas and their mom gets them a TV
and it's like, hey, things are bad. You have a TV.
And then she's like, you could go spy and Kristen
she's like going this fancy party, and Chris and Cathy
were like, we want to go to a party, and
she's like, okay, you can spy in the party. Here's
like a place I used to hang out as a
kid where nobody will see you. So their mom also
(07:59):
went to there's this guy named Burt Winslow. He's their
dad's attorney. And then she's okay, I'm gonna be back
in the litt soon, Alan hair everything. Then we'll be
rich and everything will be great. So at the party,
they are peeping on everything and they see their mom
kiss her dad on the lips, which is weird. He's
an old man, but whatever, I guess, and then he
(08:20):
gives her fancy necklace while everyone watches, and it's really awkward,
like why do you gotta watch this? And everybody has
like cheered. That's Wheat puts it on in front of everyone.
It's strange. So then they see their mom and with
Bart Winslow kissing and talking about their lives together as
just the two of us, and they're like, oh, but
they do keep the swan bed in the movie. I
(08:40):
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't know if you remember that is iconic.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, it is in the movie. Don't worry, thank god.
So Chris goes snooping around after Kathy goes back to bed,
and he finds like he finds swan bed and the
necklace that his dad gave his mom is just like
on the nightstand. So he's like, oh my god, she's
forgot my dad. Then, so the mom goes to like
the kid's room that night, and when Christopher's in there,
(09:06):
she tells Kathy that they're never leaving that room again,
and when Chris walks in, she slaps him. He's like, Hey,
if you do that again, I'm gonna whip you and
I'm gonna whip Kathy stuff, you know what the fuck? Yeah,
she gets up the next day and it kind of
apologizes and then gaslights them and he's like, oh my god,
like what's all totally right now? Like we'll just leave,
like we won't have any money, we can never come back,
(09:27):
but like, I will totally leave right now if my
kids don't love me, since all of my kids apparently
hate me.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
She's the worst. I forgot how annoying she is.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
She's honestly the villain, the grandma bad, but the mom worse.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well yeah, she like really uses this to her advantage.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, and Chris is like, oh my god, mommy, we
don't hate you, and then he comes and hugs her,
and Kathy eventually goes up, but Kathy does hate her
because she's right she is. Then it's been a year
and they're still there, and the twins are growing, but Kathy,
she is growing in the chest area. They make a
point of being like, girl has baby, she's had them
the whole time. She's fully an adult. But anyway, well
(10:04):
she's a teen, but Chris is noticing, and their mom
gets her a Mormon looking bra because I guess the fifties,
it's like a full last tap top ye, and she's
like trying it on when Chris comes in and he
sees her, and of course their grandma comes in at
that moment when he's like looking at her wearing just
a bra, and she's like he fucking sluts and ends
up doting Tar and Kathy's hair to punish.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Them, and I remember yep.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Then it's like two years later and they had it
seen their mom in months, and she comes back in
and is like, oh my god, hey guys, guess what.
I got married. And I was on my honeymoon. That's
why I was gone. But don't even worry. I got
you gifts. And Chris is like, fucking bitch, you got
fucking married, and Kathy's like, bitch, I at Bart doesn't
even know we exist, and he don't He does not
know this lady has kids. He just married a woman
(10:49):
without knowing she has her children lost in an attic.
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You never know what kind of baggage bitches be happening.
It's you know, Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The Internet did save us from that, because you know
she would have posted on them on Facebook before. Well
maybe not. I mean, there are her incest kids Anyways, Yeah,
that night, the grandma brings them donuts and it's like, hey,
they're from your mom, but like, you shouldn't eat them,
they're bad for your health, winking she was trying to
warn them. Grandma a hero of the story. So Kathy
tells Chris that they should take the twins and escape,
(11:18):
and they're looking out the window and they see a
deer get shot, and the grandma comes in and whips
Chris for looking out the window because it's during the
day so they could be noticed illegal. Yeah, but Folis
managed to shooting a deer in the yard. They also
noticed that a fence is getting put up. It's an
electric fence, elastic. Yeah. Later, after he got whipped, Kathy
(11:40):
is cleaning his wounds and they kiss and it's like quick,
we don't they're suddle on the incest in this movie. Anyways,
next morning, Kathy's like, I know what we did was wrong,
but it felt so right and I'm like, girl, what.
Then their grandma comes in and Chris starts like he's
holding a Bible and he starts like saying they're evil
and that she was right and asking for forget this,
and she's just like boy, that's the lord's job and leaves,
(12:03):
but he was like on his knees grabbing her hands.
But he wasn't getting religious. For no reason. He had
made a soap imprint of the key, so he had
like a little piece of soap in his hand and
he got named printed that key. Yeah. So they're planning
on stinking around and stealing money from their mom to
prepare for their escape, and they're like they see the
new fence that comes up and Chris, when I goes
(12:25):
out to inspect it and he like, he's walking around
the house and he overhears his mom and Bart talking
and Bart's like, hey, I had a dream of blonde
girl came in and kissed me. And their mom knows
what's up, and Chris also knows what's up. So he
goes say yalla, Kathy and grabs her arm hard and
she's like, you're hurting me and he lets go eventually,
but she forgives him and they start kissing and presumably
(12:46):
they have sex, and I'm like, okay, Yeah. Chris says
he doesn't feel bad about being into his sister. He's like,
you know what, I like that, I'm on Tia. It's
not even a problem, and she's like, okay. Corey then
gets sick and it's throwing up for hours. It's like, hey,
he needs to go to the hospital. And their mom
comes in and slaps Kathy because like the granma gets
the mom and she comes in slaps Kathy for saying
(13:08):
she's not doing anything. And I'm like, well, your son
is dying and you are not doing anything, and Kathy
slaps her right back, as she should. Good for you, Kathy,
and the grandma is like, Kathy's right, Like that kid
needs to go to a hospital. So the mom grabs
Corey and leaves with him. And the mom comes back
the next day and it's like, so I took up
to the hospital. He had pneumonia, and I'm like, pneumonia,
don't make you throw up like that? What that's not
(13:30):
a symptom of a pneumonia And she's like uh, and
he's dead. We also already buried him, so that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Don't question it. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah. So that they're like, okay, we need to leave
before like we all die, and they go to like
take as much as they can that night, but they
find their mom's room is emptied out and she left
a picture of their dad and the neck was from
their dad, like in a drawer and it stood up,
just a picture of the dad, like a headshot of him.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I'm like, why do you weird?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Interesting? And Chris is like that bitch is dead to us.
Now we gotta leave tonight. And then when don't going
to Florida? For reasons unknown, I guess Florida sounds nice
when you're second attic, Florida would sound nice, you know,
You're like, I want some sunshine, yeah, orangees, Yeah, they're
in Virginia, the Florida and Flora.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So Chris goes in his grandpa's office, like find stuff
to take and overhere some of the servants talking about
how brat poison is being brought up to the attic
every day, and also Grandpa's been dead for seven months.
He moves not past the dead for seven months thing,
and he like, He's like, okay, the nancys his grandma
without her wig on, and it is scary, and I'm like,
that is a good scare. She looks creepy. He goes
(14:44):
upstairs and he's like, we need to get the fuck
out of here. They are poisoning us. And then the
grandma walks it, It's like, bitch, give me your key,
but they fight back and then she's like, you're gonna
whip an old lady and I'm like, do it? But
he Yeah, he gives the kid to Kathy, who runs
upstairs with it, and the grandma chases them, but she
is claustrophobic and she does not like up in the attic,
(15:04):
and so like Chris comes in behind her, closes the door,
turns off the light. Grandma starts to freak out, and
they're like, you're gonna be punished, and she's like, hey,
your mom was one poisoning you, not me. I was
just an accomplish, not actually the one doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Different.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, so they grabbed their rope that they used to
climb out the window and go like out the window
and the rope does break. Yeah, oh my goodness, was
this scary or is this very scary for you?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Because the rope was free ropes break, Sydney Well, because at.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
First I thought Kathy wasn't like gonna be down, but
then they were all on the ground and I was like,
I guess the rope broke after.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
It's a convenient rope because it showed it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Breaking when Chris went Because Chris went down first, it
showed it breaking and I was like, oh, it's gonna break. Wow,
carry's going down. Yeah, it could be fun, and I said, Nope,
we're good. Don't even worry about that rope.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So yeah, that's really good at jumping, so don't worry
about her.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well, then they just show them on the ground running off.
So they're on the ground. They run into a servant
on the way out and he has a gun and
he's trying to stop them because he's like intruders, question mark.
But they're like, hey, we're Karen's kids because Kuren's their
mom's name. And he looks at them and he's like,
oh shit, you just look like Gran and he's horrified.
He's like, we've been up in the attic this whole time.
(16:17):
And he's like what the fuck. And he's like, okay,
get out of here. Jesus Christ, like, what the hell
is happening in this house? Yeah, So he lets the
lad and he's like I will be sent to look
after you. I'm sure later, come after you later, but
like get the fuck out now. Which turned the fence
off for you. Yeah, because it's an electric fence, so
each turns off the electric fence. I know, mister Wilmo's done,
(16:37):
and they climb over. I guess they make it to
the train and Kathy thinks about how she will see
her mom again and she's gonna make her mom feel
bad about all this the end yikes.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean, yeah, that is pretty accurate to what I
remember from the book.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So yeah, it was pretty settle on the incests, which
I appreciated. Yeah, I just ed's wild, like Karen a
ship can twenty fourteen post Magnate is in this movie.
It's a leftime movie.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Kind of wild and random that yeah. I mean, I
guess this was probably before her career like really took off,
but you would think Madam.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, it's before The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina because that
didn't come out until twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, or on there.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But still yeah, crazy, I know too. Micah also watched it,
so he has some thoughts. Would you like to share
a buddy, Nope, just yawns.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh. He thinks it's boring.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
He said, if the book was better, it was.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Said, I'm I'm not into a movie adaptations. I prefer
the original script. You can't really get everything that you
see in the book on a movie in ninety minutes. Yeah.
I think you're right. It's a really good thought. I mean,
you're so smart for your age. I'm glad you could
be here for this episode and give your thoughts as well.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, he said. I woke up because I heard you
were recording without me, and I said, that's not fair.
I also saw this movie.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
He's right, he should be included. He's a member of
this podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is he is a very important member? Homes true? He said. Also,
it's my first Halloween.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Happy Halloween to mean Micah, happy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, you don't know what that means, but it's so exciting.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Oh, he thinks it's boring again.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
No, he said, I just gotta get you a little
nap in before party tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah. Are you gonna make him watch Halloween Town?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Probably? I was gonna try to watch the original Halloween,
but so they don't have it, so we might just
watch Halloween Too or Halloween Town if I could get
the DVD player to work.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, hopefully, because it's today, so.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We will see. We will watch one of those. Because
Halloween Too, I think is on Peacock, so we can
watch that for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That'll be fine. But yeah, there you go, guys, the
first movie night in a while. I hope you liked it,
bringing it back to a classic. Yeah, make sure to
check out all our other movie nights. There's maybe at
least thirty of them, We're not sure, and let us
know what you think. Give us a little five star review.
Wherever you listen to podcasts, why not.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, you can watch the original remake or a depiction
of this also on TB Perhaps I don't know. Maybe
when did that come out. I didn't check eighties in
the nineties maybe one of those possibly. Anyways, you can
find us on Instagram, at bookal podcast, on TikTok, at
book holt pod, and online a book gold pod dotwordpress
dot com.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, so happy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Mica says hi and bye you say bye bye? No, nope,
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