November 13, 2025 • 12 mins
Explores male spirituality, particularly through a Pagan and psychological lens. The author addresses the difficulty men face in expressing emotions and spiritual passion, offering guidance for experiencing the Divine Masculine through prayer, lore, and magickal workings. A major focus of the work is the examination of twelve sacred archetypes—such as the Divine Child, the Warrior, the Trickster, and the King—using mythology (like the tales of Eros, Ares, and Osiris) and psychological concepts to help modern men understand and reclaim a sacred male heritage. The text also includes magickal workings and rituals for readers, emphasizing the importance of integrity, emotional awareness, and community, particularly referencing the ManKind Project as a resource for men's work.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the deep dive. Oh okay, we've got a
pretty unique task ahead of us today. We're taking Daganader's
big work, Sacred Paths for Modern Men, and basically boiling
it down, trying to capture its whole philosophy, this deep
dive into male mysticism as one clear story, a narrative path.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, it's a fascinating way to structure it, because the
book itself is presented as a journey, right, a path,
and it kicks off by tackling what the author sees
as a really core societal issue, which is that men
well often they just don't have a language or maybe
the permission to really talk about their faith or their passion,
their deeper feelings. And this creates a gap, a real
disconnection from what he calls the sacred masculine.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That makes sense, and the author's own story is woven
right into it, isn't it? That seems key? He talks
about loss and hitting a personal crisis back in two
thousand and one, right.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And then seeking out things like the New Warrior Training
Adventure in two thousand and four, that whole mythopoetic men's
movement stuff that was his turning point, rediscovering this sake,
masculine energy, this path of integrity, and.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The goal is to share that rediscovery that energy with
other men. It's not just his story exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's presented as a toolkit really using these twelve divine archetypes.
He calls them the sacred names. The idea is to
use them to get a better handle on yourself, become
more functional, more well enlightened in your daily life.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, so before we start mapping out this journey, maybe
we need that working definition the book gives for God
or divine in this context, just to be clear.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Good point. Yeah, the book defines it like this, a
male being of extra human powers or attributes, believed in
or worshiped by a people or people's usually governing or
personifying some element of nature or reality. So it's about
tapping into these powerful archetypal energies within what their return
(01:49):
means for us.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Got it. So it's less about organized religion maybe, and
more about reclaiming a kind of spiritual inheritance and inner
strength fighting against those you know, limiting or even toxic
roles society sometimes pushes on men.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's a good way to put it. Rebuilding the idea
of a functional divine male inside ourselves, bringing that sacred
part back into the every day.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, So this path, this story of self discovery, where
does it actually start in the book's framework, It.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Starts right at the source with arguably the most powerful symbol,
the divine child. This is the absolute foundation. The child
archetype holds the seeds of the mature king energy. He's
at spirit of new beginnings, pure potential, like the full
card in the tarot.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, right, the blank slate. Almost. But the first
challenge is huge, isn't it. Separating from the mother. The
author really digs into how unresolved issues there can lead
to problems later on, like objectifying women or just messy relationships.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Absolutely, it's a central conflict, and the myths show how
to navigate it. Take Heros, for example, the divine child.
His mother Aphrodite, tells him to mess with Psyche, this
mortal woman, but he falls for her instead defies his mother, but.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Then Psyche breaks his trust, right him when he told
her not.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
To exactly, and he leaves. His line is powerful. There
is no love without trust. So the child isn't just
passive innocence. He has the power to set real boundaries,
but crucially he also embodies forgiveness. He eventually takes Psyche back.
He sees the divine even in her mistake.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, so that's about setting personal boundaries. But then the
child needs guidance beyond the mother figure right to sort
of build his own reality.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Precisely, and that's where you see the shift in the
tail of Lou. His mother Ariana Roode lays these heavy
curses on him. No name, no weapons, no wife from
her people.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Seems like a tough spot.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It is, but Lou, with help from his mentor Gwidean,
this wise tricky figure, he cleverly gets around every single curse,
runs his name, gets his weapons, and then instead of
taking a wife from her people, he literally makes one
out of flowers, bloodwed. It shows him crafting his own solutions,
his own world.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Wow, okay, creating his own reality and the final aspect
of the child.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's the young hero. This is turning into action the avenger.
You see it perfectly in Horace, the Egyptian God. He
takes on the chaos serpit apep and successfully avenges his
father Osiris.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ah. So the child steps up becomes the father figure
in a way capable of decisive action exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He becomes functional, actualized. Horace is presented as a guide
for men who feel stuck in negative patterns passed down
from their own fathers. He says, you can break that cycle.
The big takeaway here is that the divine child, that potency,
that potential, it's always with us. We need to keep
it integrated.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, So that's the foundation. From there, the journey moves
into well the complexities of adult life, relationships, action in
the world, and the book uses these two really interesting archetypes,
the lover and the warrior, which it says are like
mirror images.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, they're this core duality. The lover is about crossing boundaries,
seeking connection, intimacy, that you know, ecstatic union. His whole
path is about honoring love. His code is basically the
wick and read and thou harm none, do as thou wilt,
Do what you want, but don't cause harm.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So responsibility is key.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Absolutely, accountability is his watchword, because when that fails, that's
the shadow the love.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Stealer, like Lancelot or Paris from the Trojan.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
War right, their passion becomes selfish, it ends up hurting others,
bringing down whole systems like Camelot or Troy. But the
true lover energy, the mature form is the divine consort.
Think of the green Man, the.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Harvest gods who accept their own death and rebirth for
the cycle.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes, that willingness to sacrifice, to die and be reborn
for the good of the whole community, the whole cycle.
That's ultimate accountability and love okay.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And the mirror image the warrior.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
If the lover crosses boundaries, the warrior sets them. He's
all about protection, protecting yourself, your beliefs, your space. His
key traits are surprisingly transparency and simplicity, integrity through straightforward
action think four or right.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Not always the most subtle guy.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Huh no, often impulsive, but he's honest. He has his strength,
and he knows his limits. Usually remember the story where
the giant outgard Loki tricks him, tries to get him
to drink the whole sea or wrestle old Age itself.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, impossible tasks.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Right thor fails obviously, but his effort, his simple, honest strength,
it still shakes the cosmos, the tides change, the giants
get scared. He doesn't compromise who he is, even when
he's outmatched or tricked.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But the warrior has a dark side too, doesn't anything.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh, definitely, the shadow is objectification. When he loses touch
with that lover energy, that connection, he starts seeing people
just as obstacles or things to use. He goes from
protector to oppressor, a tyrant.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So controlling that shadow means staying connected to the lover side,
keeping that balance.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Lots of the book argues, Yeah, you need both. Boundaries
without love become tyranny. Love without boundaries becomes chaos or
self destruction.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Makes sense. Okay, So after these relational archetypes lover and warrior,
where does the path lead next?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
We move more inward towards wisdom and self mass, starting
with the trickster.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The trickster okay, his watch word is truth. That seems counterintuitive,
it does, right, But his job isn't to lie fundamentally,
it's to expose the illusions we cling to.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Illusions about our own power, are importance, are confidence the
masks we wear. Ah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
So he uses tricks to show us the truth about ourselves,
like puncturing egos.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Exactly, and laughter is his main tool, especially laughing at ourselves.
It's the antidote. To taking ourselves too damn seriously, which
society often demands of men. Sometimes the trickster is even
a protector figure, like Bess, that Egyptian dwarf God ugly
funny looking guy Associo's music dance laughter.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
What did he do?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He supposedly scared off evil spirits by making funny faces
at babies. It's that dark humor, that resilience. It keeps
people going in tough times. Think of surgeons making grim
jokes in the o r or soldiers finding humor under fire.
That's best energy. It helps you cope, hopes you be
the quiet hero.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, but there must be a shadow too, of course.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And it's a nasty one. Loki is the prime example.
The high chair tyrant. This is the guy who feels
like an outsider, feels wronged, and channels it into pure destructiveness,
like engineering Bulldor's death. It's that special boy syndrome, you know,
the belief that the universe owes you something that rules
don't apply.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Narcissism gone wild, right, So the healthy trickster uses humor
for truth and resilience. The shadow uses it for destruction.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Pretty much, and moving beyond that chaos, the path matures
into the king.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
The king. Okay, this feels like the culmination of sorts.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What defines him benevolence and strength, yes, but often a
quiet strength rulership. But it's not always about frantic doing.
His watchword is benevolence, true care for the realm, which
starts with the self.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So not necessarily the guy charging into battle.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Not always. Sometimes the king's role is more contemplative, even symbolic.
Look at Jupiter in Roman myth he was the soul
of Rome. His title Jupiter Victor implied his mere presence
brought strength and order. Just being there was his power.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's a really interesting lesson for today, with everyone feeling
they have to constantly do something hustle culture exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
The king teaches that sometimes the most powerful thing is presence, contemplation,
avoiding panicked rush decisions that cause more harm. It's about
preventing burnout by being grounded and.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Ruling the kingdom of the self first.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
That's the core. Like the Jade Emperor in Chinese mythology,
he focused on his own internal development, achieving immortality, mastering himself.
When huge problems arose, he dealt with them using his
own inherent power and integrity, no manipulation, no fear tactics.
His authority came from who he was. Self mastery creates
(09:45):
true leadership.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Wow. Okay, so we've gone from child through lover, warrior,
trickster to king. That's quite the journey, is it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
In there there's one final and perhaps the most profound
face of the divine masculine presented sacrificed.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
One ah figures like christ As Cyrus, John Barleycorn from
the folk Songs exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
These are the figures whose death and resurrection isn't just
a personal tragedy, it's cosmically necessary. It brings about a
greater good, whether that's salvation, the return of spring, fertility,
Wisdom feels faded, purposeful, different from the lover's choice to sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
This is destiny, and the key lesson isn't just the
death itself, right, It's about the integrity behind it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Absolutely. Think about Prometheus. He gave fire, knowledge, enlightenment to humans.
He knew Zeus would punish him horribly for it, eternal torment, but.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
He did it anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He did it anyway. He refuse to back down, refuse
to compromise his principle, his mission for humanity It shows
that fulfilling your purpose sometimes means accepting painful consequences with
total integrity, standing your ground.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And John barleycorn the spirit of the grain. He brings
it back to earth, doesn't he?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
He does his cycle being planted, growing, being cut down,
ground up, turned into bread and beer. It's the unavoidable
truth life, death, transformation, rebirth. Our energy returns to the cycle,
we pass things on. It grounds the whole archetype in
the natural world.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So this whole intricate map of archetypes, what's the final
message of the book.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, crucially, the book is just a map. It's not
the territory itself, the real exploration of the sacred masculine,
that undiscovered country within that requires men today to be,
as Doer puts it, cartographers, scouts, pioneers. We have to
be willing to explore, to learn, maybe to teach, and
definitely to pass on whatever wisdom we find. We become,
(11:31):
in his words, the colonizers of dreams.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Colonizers of dreams. Wow. Okay, so here's maybe the thought
to leave everyone with drawing from that last archetype. If
the sacrificed one teaches that real integrity means being willing
to face pain, even sacrifice parts of yourself for a
greater good, for your mission. What is it for you?
What learned behavior? What old fear are you maybe sacrificing
(11:55):
right now? Or maybe what are you refusing to sacrifice?
What's holding you back from bringing your own unique fire,
your gift fully into the world.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, that decision what to let go of, what to
hold on to with integrity. That's the ongoing work, isn't it.
That's the King ruling it self moment by moment. Definitely
something to chew on as you walk your own path.
We'll leave you there.
Welcome to the deep dive. Oh okay, we've got a
pretty unique task ahead of us today. We're taking Daganader's
big work, Sacred Paths for Modern Men, and basically boiling
it down, trying to capture its whole philosophy, this deep
dive into male mysticism as one clear story, a narrative path.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, it's a fascinating way to structure it, because the
book itself is presented as a journey, right, a path,
and it kicks off by tackling what the author sees
as a really core societal issue, which is that men
well often they just don't have a language or maybe
the permission to really talk about their faith or their passion,
their deeper feelings. And this creates a gap, a real
disconnection from what he calls the sacred masculine.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That makes sense, and the author's own story is woven
right into it, isn't it? That seems key? He talks
about loss and hitting a personal crisis back in two
thousand and one, right.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And then seeking out things like the New Warrior Training
Adventure in two thousand and four, that whole mythopoetic men's
movement stuff that was his turning point, rediscovering this sake,
masculine energy, this path of integrity, and.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The goal is to share that rediscovery that energy with
other men. It's not just his story exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's presented as a toolkit really using these twelve divine archetypes.
He calls them the sacred names. The idea is to
use them to get a better handle on yourself, become
more functional, more well enlightened in your daily life.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, so before we start mapping out this journey, maybe
we need that working definition the book gives for God
or divine in this context, just to be clear.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Good point. Yeah, the book defines it like this, a
male being of extra human powers or attributes, believed in
or worshiped by a people or people's usually governing or
personifying some element of nature or reality. So it's about
tapping into these powerful archetypal energies within what their return
(01:49):
means for us.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Got it. So it's less about organized religion maybe, and
more about reclaiming a kind of spiritual inheritance and inner
strength fighting against those you know, limiting or even toxic
roles society sometimes pushes on men.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's a good way to put it. Rebuilding the idea
of a functional divine male inside ourselves, bringing that sacred
part back into the every day.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, So this path, this story of self discovery, where
does it actually start in the book's framework, It.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Starts right at the source with arguably the most powerful symbol,
the divine child. This is the absolute foundation. The child
archetype holds the seeds of the mature king energy. He's
at spirit of new beginnings, pure potential, like the full
card in the tarot.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, right, the blank slate. Almost. But the first
challenge is huge, isn't it. Separating from the mother. The
author really digs into how unresolved issues there can lead
to problems later on, like objectifying women or just messy relationships.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Absolutely, it's a central conflict, and the myths show how
to navigate it. Take Heros, for example, the divine child.
His mother Aphrodite, tells him to mess with Psyche, this
mortal woman, but he falls for her instead defies his mother, but.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Then Psyche breaks his trust, right him when he told
her not.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
To exactly, and he leaves. His line is powerful. There
is no love without trust. So the child isn't just
passive innocence. He has the power to set real boundaries,
but crucially he also embodies forgiveness. He eventually takes Psyche back.
He sees the divine even in her mistake.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, so that's about setting personal boundaries. But then the
child needs guidance beyond the mother figure right to sort
of build his own reality.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Precisely, and that's where you see the shift in the
tail of Lou. His mother Ariana Roode lays these heavy
curses on him. No name, no weapons, no wife from
her people.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Seems like a tough spot.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It is, but Lou, with help from his mentor Gwidean,
this wise tricky figure, he cleverly gets around every single curse,
runs his name, gets his weapons, and then instead of
taking a wife from her people, he literally makes one
out of flowers, bloodwed. It shows him crafting his own solutions,
his own world.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Wow, okay, creating his own reality and the final aspect
of the child.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's the young hero. This is turning into action the avenger.
You see it perfectly in Horace, the Egyptian God. He
takes on the chaos serpit apep and successfully avenges his
father Osiris.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ah. So the child steps up becomes the father figure
in a way capable of decisive action exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He becomes functional, actualized. Horace is presented as a guide
for men who feel stuck in negative patterns passed down
from their own fathers. He says, you can break that cycle.
The big takeaway here is that the divine child, that potency,
that potential, it's always with us. We need to keep
it integrated.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, So that's the foundation. From there, the journey moves
into well the complexities of adult life, relationships, action in
the world, and the book uses these two really interesting archetypes,
the lover and the warrior, which it says are like
mirror images.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, they're this core duality. The lover is about crossing boundaries,
seeking connection, intimacy, that you know, ecstatic union. His whole
path is about honoring love. His code is basically the
wick and read and thou harm none, do as thou wilt,
Do what you want, but don't cause harm.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So responsibility is key.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Absolutely, accountability is his watchword, because when that fails, that's
the shadow the love.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Stealer, like Lancelot or Paris from the Trojan.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
War right, their passion becomes selfish, it ends up hurting others,
bringing down whole systems like Camelot or Troy. But the
true lover energy, the mature form is the divine consort.
Think of the green Man, the.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Harvest gods who accept their own death and rebirth for
the cycle.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes, that willingness to sacrifice, to die and be reborn
for the good of the whole community, the whole cycle.
That's ultimate accountability and love okay.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And the mirror image the warrior.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
If the lover crosses boundaries, the warrior sets them. He's
all about protection, protecting yourself, your beliefs, your space. His
key traits are surprisingly transparency and simplicity, integrity through straightforward
action think four or right.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Not always the most subtle guy.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Huh no, often impulsive, but he's honest. He has his strength,
and he knows his limits. Usually remember the story where
the giant outgard Loki tricks him, tries to get him
to drink the whole sea or wrestle old Age itself.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, impossible tasks.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Right thor fails obviously, but his effort, his simple, honest strength,
it still shakes the cosmos, the tides change, the giants
get scared. He doesn't compromise who he is, even when
he's outmatched or tricked.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
But the warrior has a dark side too, doesn't anything.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh, definitely, the shadow is objectification. When he loses touch
with that lover energy, that connection, he starts seeing people
just as obstacles or things to use. He goes from
protector to oppressor, a tyrant.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So controlling that shadow means staying connected to the lover side,
keeping that balance.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Lots of the book argues, Yeah, you need both. Boundaries
without love become tyranny. Love without boundaries becomes chaos or
self destruction.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Makes sense. Okay, So after these relational archetypes lover and warrior,
where does the path lead next?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
We move more inward towards wisdom and self mass, starting
with the trickster.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The trickster okay, his watch word is truth. That seems counterintuitive,
it does, right, But his job isn't to lie fundamentally,
it's to expose the illusions we cling to.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Illusions about our own power, are importance, are confidence the
masks we wear. Ah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
So he uses tricks to show us the truth about ourselves,
like puncturing egos.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Exactly, and laughter is his main tool, especially laughing at ourselves.
It's the antidote. To taking ourselves too damn seriously, which
society often demands of men. Sometimes the trickster is even
a protector figure, like Bess, that Egyptian dwarf God ugly
funny looking guy Associo's music dance laughter.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
What did he do?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He supposedly scared off evil spirits by making funny faces
at babies. It's that dark humor, that resilience. It keeps
people going in tough times. Think of surgeons making grim
jokes in the o r or soldiers finding humor under fire.
That's best energy. It helps you cope, hopes you be
the quiet hero.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, but there must be a shadow too, of course.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And it's a nasty one. Loki is the prime example.
The high chair tyrant. This is the guy who feels
like an outsider, feels wronged, and channels it into pure destructiveness,
like engineering Bulldor's death. It's that special boy syndrome, you know,
the belief that the universe owes you something that rules
don't apply.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Narcissism gone wild, right, So the healthy trickster uses humor
for truth and resilience. The shadow uses it for destruction.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Pretty much, and moving beyond that chaos, the path matures
into the king.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
The king. Okay, this feels like the culmination of sorts.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What defines him benevolence and strength, yes, but often a
quiet strength rulership. But it's not always about frantic doing.
His watchword is benevolence, true care for the realm, which
starts with the self.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So not necessarily the guy charging into battle.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Not always. Sometimes the king's role is more contemplative, even symbolic.
Look at Jupiter in Roman myth he was the soul
of Rome. His title Jupiter Victor implied his mere presence
brought strength and order. Just being there was his power.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's a really interesting lesson for today, with everyone feeling
they have to constantly do something hustle culture exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
The king teaches that sometimes the most powerful thing is presence, contemplation,
avoiding panicked rush decisions that cause more harm. It's about
preventing burnout by being grounded and.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Ruling the kingdom of the self first.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
That's the core. Like the Jade Emperor in Chinese mythology,
he focused on his own internal development, achieving immortality, mastering himself.
When huge problems arose, he dealt with them using his
own inherent power and integrity, no manipulation, no fear tactics.
His authority came from who he was. Self mastery creates
(09:45):
true leadership.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Wow. Okay, so we've gone from child through lover, warrior,
trickster to king. That's quite the journey, is it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
In there there's one final and perhaps the most profound
face of the divine masculine presented sacrificed.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
One ah figures like christ As Cyrus, John Barleycorn from
the folk Songs exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
These are the figures whose death and resurrection isn't just
a personal tragedy, it's cosmically necessary. It brings about a
greater good, whether that's salvation, the return of spring, fertility,
Wisdom feels faded, purposeful, different from the lover's choice to sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
This is destiny, and the key lesson isn't just the
death itself, right, It's about the integrity behind it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Absolutely. Think about Prometheus. He gave fire, knowledge, enlightenment to humans.
He knew Zeus would punish him horribly for it, eternal torment, but.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
He did it anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He did it anyway. He refuse to back down, refuse
to compromise his principle, his mission for humanity It shows
that fulfilling your purpose sometimes means accepting painful consequences with
total integrity, standing your ground.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And John barleycorn the spirit of the grain. He brings
it back to earth, doesn't he?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
He does his cycle being planted, growing, being cut down,
ground up, turned into bread and beer. It's the unavoidable
truth life, death, transformation, rebirth. Our energy returns to the cycle,
we pass things on. It grounds the whole archetype in
the natural world.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So this whole intricate map of archetypes, what's the final
message of the book.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, crucially, the book is just a map. It's not
the territory itself, the real exploration of the sacred masculine,
that undiscovered country within that requires men today to be,
as Doer puts it, cartographers, scouts, pioneers. We have to
be willing to explore, to learn, maybe to teach, and
definitely to pass on whatever wisdom we find. We become,
(11:31):
in his words, the colonizers of dreams.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Colonizers of dreams. Wow. Okay, so here's maybe the thought
to leave everyone with drawing from that last archetype. If
the sacrificed one teaches that real integrity means being willing
to face pain, even sacrifice parts of yourself for a
greater good, for your mission. What is it for you?
What learned behavior? What old fear are you maybe sacrificing
(11:55):
right now? Or maybe what are you refusing to sacrifice?
What's holding you back from bringing your own unique fire,
your gift fully into the world.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, that decision what to let go of, what to
hold on to with integrity. That's the ongoing work, isn't it.
That's the King ruling it self moment by moment. Definitely
something to chew on as you walk your own path.
We'll leave you there.
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