NFC North Doubts About the Detroit Lions? | The Braylon Edwards Show | Tuesday November 25th, 2025

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and it's the right thing to do. Of course. Sprended
is with us Kool Ladies with Us and the Man
in the Jets Jersey. It's a second time in three
weeks you've worn that, but it looks good, just like
it did the first time round.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Okay, first of all, you don't have to bust me
out like this.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I like how you did.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
That was a little bit of shame.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
That's what we call it. It's calche WHI. You're absolutely correct.
And the reason why I'm wearing it today is because
we do our annual NFL Alumni partnering with PAL Turkey
giveaway Turkey Drive, where you knows, much like all turkey
drives less fortunate, they get a chance to pull up
drive and we start off. It's always raining every year
we do this. He've been his rain outside, so I
hope I don't get sick. A couple of prayers up,

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but it's just great, you know, it's the holiday spirit.
Here comes Thanksgiving, Christmas is not too far behind, so
it's always good to you know, connect with organizations like
PAL was a huge staple in the city and have been.
I played propelled basketball, baseball, soccer as well. It's football
west side cups. So to be able to be a
party is still and show some love feels great. And

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people just pull their cars up they open their trunks,
you know, drop a turkey in, drop some some signs,
some stuff and some instant mac and all those kinds
of things. So feels good. Everybody has the Detroit Lions
jersey on, so I just had to let them know.
Everybody ain't played for the Lions, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
So not all heroes capes. You s wear jets jersey.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's that's right now. Wait, you said the Detroit West
Cups a friend of ours will be on Friday.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Did the same thing, Augustus Johnson. But you guys knowing,
so it's so funny. First time Gus Johnson never called me.
Augustus Johnson said, who.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
The hell is Augusta?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I don't even know what Augustus. I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I don't know what gust I like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I pick it, I pick up the phone. It's a
New York number, and I'm talking to him. I'm just
talking to him and talking to him. I'm trying to
figure out who it is. But he's not talking like
the big voice on Fox.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
That's that's nice.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
You picked up. Most people just let it go to boys.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Whenever it's a nine one seven number, I pick up
because it's usually good thing because because of my time
in New York, so it's always an opportunity or somebody
connect to the jets. It's always a good thing. And
I'm listening and listening and listening. He's just asking me questions,
but she as opposed to just who is this? I'm
still trying to peg him and I'm trying to figure
out why am I answering this random person question name

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Augustus from New York And eventually we're talking about a
particular topics. He was I don't know, man. I was like, oh,
what's up, Gus? Oh Augustus Gus. So, yeah, he'll be
on the show. He's a West Side cub as well
as a U A D cub, which I am also.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I love that man, because most people, maybe outside of
you and kool Aid, Brenda and I probably wouldn't answer
the phone. But if we didn't answer the phone at
some point really early in the conversation, who is this again,
I'm sorry? Who is this?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I've always I've always been like that, as opposed to
just do the simple thing in life, I do the
hard thing, and it's the competition in me. So how
my mind works is I'm gonna figure out who this is. Yeah,
I'm not gonna have to ask, because one I don't
want to offend anyone, which I gotta stop doing. I
gotta get over that. And two it's like, can I
peg this person? Can I figure it out? Let me
play this little mental game and so and then click

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there it is okay. But then I feeled I feel justified.
I feel satisfied I figured it out.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I worked with Gus on a lot of different projects,
in a lot of different errors, and I'm looking forward
to that conversation. Saw him last this past summer, actually
at the Detroit Amps game.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
He was there.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
He he and I actually connected before and he's like, hey, man,
I could use some tickets, no problem. So we we
were done. We were down cool notes. But that's like
we were down in the players room there, and we
saw Dave Bing there, and we saw Gregory Kelser there,

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and of course George Gervin and doctor J was down
there too, So it was a who's who of basketball
and broadcast and it was it was really fun. I
didn't take note of that. Had you told me that
story prior to that, I probably would have taken some
notes and maybe even a picture. But it was really

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cool because we all got together and we took a
we took a big photo and it was It was
pretty special for me. So Gus will be here Friday
on the Braylen Edwards Show. So you went to the PAL,
which I think. I love this organization first and foremost, Right,
Freddie Hunter, who is the executive director of it, shout
out to him. He and his entire crew are fantastic.

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Through my work with Game Above, we also helped PAL
and have partnered with them in a lot of different
ways and they've helped us and looking forward to having
them with the Game Above Sports Bowl this year on
December twenty sixth. So they're gonna there are a lot
of there, a lot of their kids are going to
be there. But I want to see some of these
pictures and tell us a little bit about what your
head going on down there.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Like a lot of people about who the big guy
is on the left. In fact, that's how he knows himself,
is the big fella Loan brown Man, and that right now,
that's the guy we need to lobby for the Hall
of Fame. And he's got the whole thing out right,
I'm a.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Little surprised he's not in Yeah, you know, I am.
I mean he's won a super Bowl, he's been he
was around for a long time.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
He was a steady force. He's a really small Look
at who he blocked for. And with that put speaking
of who he blocked for, we'll get to that later.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I just don't understand the recent skills.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But you know what I do, I get it. Get
it called hyperbolic.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, man like like like dragon ball Z. Check it out.
Till Walgo, the president of the NFL Alumni chapter. Uncle
Till im always doing or anything like that. Just a
good time man.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then you got that's a really good So you
got George Jamison right next to you. Right, so George
was a really good line.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
He's out of Cincinnati. I want to say he's a hitter.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
He was a hitter. Loved George Jamison. Of course, your
dad good looking man.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Appreciate the uniform. Look at the jersey.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I like the Honolulu blue silver jersey.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
That's the officials. Yeah, that's when my dad played in
eighty seven s.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I didn't know he was forty six.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
He was forty six. Here he was thirty four. If
the oilers and thirty two of Michigan, thank you, Yeah,
thirty two, thirty four, and then forty six. I'm not
gonna lie when he put forty six, and I was
like Jack Campbell, Who's that? Jack camp was at you?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
But yeah, Son, there is something to numbers, isn't there?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
It is right because they represent who you are, Like
you see seventeen. You don't even have to see my
face like you like a seventeen represents me like one
like certain numbers.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But why do you pick certain numbers? Is what I'm saying.
I mean athletes, I think choose certain numbers well on
how it either looks on them or certain significance to
somebody who they admired growing up, something along those lines, right.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, One was the thing, So I got one at
University of Michigan. One was my favorite. Twenty one was
my favorite number growing up, but like one is it?
At Michigan? I wanted to be one. I got one.
Insert two thousand and four, they changed the rule to
where now receivers can wear team numbers, so ten through nineteen.
So when I get in that class, every wide receiver,
that was a class that broke the world the record

(08:27):
seven wide receivers win the first round. Every one of
them shut. They chose number eleven because most of them
war one, and now you get the double mirror. So
everybody wore eleven. I came to league a year later.
I'm first pick or first wide receiver taken. I don't
want to follow Larry Fitzgerald and Roy Williams and Lee
Evans and Reggie Williams and everybody. I didn't want to

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be eleven. So now it's like, what number can I choose?
I don't like twelve. Thirteen is an unlucky number. I
don't like how numbers look big. So as a wide receiver,
slim body, wide receiver, I didn't want a four, three,
a six.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know, think seven looks big.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Then it looks just at the top, and then it
curves back down into the one. Like you see how
there's like it starts and it curves back. Rob Simms
next to you. It is Rob Simms, the man. I
think I might be dancing in the ring. I'll come,
I'll come.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Rob Simms doesn't have his jersey on.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Rob's man. You know what I'm saying. He don't need
the way, he doesn't need Lions jersey you're the.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Man too, although you do have a Lion's camp on
there right now? Okay, the balance just a little, h
I want you to know I'm paying attention one of
them like me.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I wear this to remind people not everybody play for
the Lions.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay, all right, I usually wear Michigan.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
But you know what else.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
From that picture?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
What the last picture?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
All these pictures with you?

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh then I'm not helping.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
No, no, no, you change your shoes. Okay, come on, man,
I'm a detailed dude. Okay, I got an idea.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
All right.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I I know what's going on. So when I see
certain things, certain things jump out at me.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
You know, you know, I'm a shoe guys. So I
got excited to wear these. I thought this would be
the perfect time Thanksgiving. How they throw them on? Throw
the twelves out there? That weather was horrible. I said,
I'd be damned if I had these things outside and around.
So I actually just put them on inside. I'm putting
back in my bag and put on their shoes on
the way out to do it.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I get it. What is the cause here? People who
need turkeys for the holiday, you guys provide them?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Okay, people just could come up. And it's funny because
because some of the cars that pull up don't necessarily
look like they might need something, but you never know
who needs something and what need looks like a pulls
up and it's four door Mercedes.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
We had just throw it in there.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
If there was a g wagon that pulled up there
was like a brand new Denalite couldn't have been ordered
than I promise. So what do you do about that?
You just give them a turkey and let them go on,
because you don't know what they might be taking. They
might be taking it to somebody's less fortune, they might
be giving it to but.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
An is it offensive to ask that question? Seriously? Is
it offensive to say, hey, you realize that these turkeys
are for the needy? Is this going to a needy home?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Okay, I like what you did that you added that
last caveat. I just did at the end of the day,
like it's no reason asked because if they got to
go up there and do the bs, then they won't
get blessed in other ways, like if they're coming up
here for the blessing and they do have a less
fortunate home, they're giving it to on a mask and
I'm giving them a third degree. Now I feel like

(11:37):
a jerke. It's well those things was like, it's better
off quiet.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I get it, And you're you're a good person.
You are, No, I mean, I mean, I mean, that's sincerely.
But I think there's a lot of times in life
where we feel like we don't we don't want to
be lack of a better word, compative, because we're afraid
we're going to look like a worse person. Who's worse
the peron who's picking up a free turkey that needs

(12:02):
to go to somebody who truly needs it, but that
person doesn't. Yeah, or you asking a simple question, glad
you're here, glad we can help. You just want to
make sure is this going to a needy family. Because
you've got a diesel car, it costs a lot to
fill it up, and your payment is more than most
people's house payment who are picking up the turkeys before you.
That's all something along.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
And you know what happens in that conversation, not in
lines back then that lines back, that's it.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's fifteen seconds. But you're, like I said, you're a
good person. All these people, it's fantastic, man, and how
many people do you think you had going through earlier?

Speaker 4 (12:37):
We had four hundred and fifty turkeys, holy and I
want to say when I left, there were one hundred
and ten left.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Okay, we're to time. Did this event start?

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Start at eight fifteen?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Eight fifteen?

Speaker 4 (12:49):
And then the turkeys were a little bit late. I
think the turkeys got there at a thirty five. You
were taking maybe twenty minutes late, okay, and then once
they started we started cycling off. I stayed till you know,
I don't stay anywhere to the end. Yeah, I stayed
till nine.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Not even a wedding. I stayed.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Weddings and weddings are short. I'll still. I went to
a Catholic wedding. That was I went to a Catholic
wedding downtown. What's the what's the parish? You see? I
still I'm still in touch. What's the parish on Washington.
It's a little bit down the street from the Western Huge.
It's a huge I know exactly is it? It's not
Saint George's, is it? Something along those lines.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I went to a wet the st right, but I'm
not sure.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, that's why I said something along those Yeah, I
went to a wedding there that would have been Saturday,
the day Michigan was playing Florida. I could not believe
that they scheduled. He's a Michigan fan too. I could
not believe that he allowed the wife to schedule the
day Mischigan was playing Florida. This was the Michigan game.
We beat Florida. This we always beat Florida. We won
the game. But it's certain it was like two and

(13:53):
a half hours.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
What is this and a half hours for just the master,
just the ceremony, all of it. Okay, that's that is outrageous.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Like getting like go to Mass on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Look, I've I have said this forever, and I'm Catholic, Okay,
but I've said this forever. Those those weddings, it's it is.
It's a full Mass. It's an hour Mass, and it's
really very It's hardly you can hardly, uh take a
difference between the Sunday usual Mass at noon, which is
never that long.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's an hour school.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Maybe maybe I'm thinking of the Catholic school versus you
just maybe you had some daydreaming a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I don't blame it.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, they look, if you went to Catholic school.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Was outraging. Yeah yeah, and then get.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Up right, it's a conscious community.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
It's a constant wave.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
You're right about that. Maybe as kids, because you were
in school, they shortened it. But on Sundays, trust me
when I tell you this, it's an hour and it
can be tough.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
So when you do when you.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Get married in the Catholic church, it's the same thing.
It's it's just a wedding and it is longer than
an hour because they add, hey, you know all the
different services that's associated with it. So I get what
you're saying there. It's it's ridiculous. But you bring up
something interesting because I got a friend of mine who
says about weddings, nobody in his family forever gets married

(15:16):
in the fall.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
You know why football, Seaton school bus seat right also too,
it's like, let's get out the way. Spring summer, just
in general, spring summer unless you're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Something one of those no winter weddings.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Man, it could be cool, but like no, like because
the weather's cold, you gotta be inside unless you're going
on the destination, which is cool too, but unless you're
doing some dope.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Like risking outside on the way into the church.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Or the ceremonying summer pay the money. We know why
people don't why they do the winter better rates.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I told you about I'm sure you put this together
already and we're just too kind to bring it up.
I told you when my anniversary was. We just celebrated
it right yesterday. What what day do you think We
got married on?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Oh, Saturday? A Tuesday?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's it was a Saturday, obviously.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
So what oh what game? Doing the math?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
What?

Speaker 7 (16:14):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (16:14):
What year was it for you?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Nineteen ninety It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Oh that's Desmond, that's uh, that's the day was that we.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Got It was a But the point is we got
married game day. Okay. Now we didn't marry get married
during the game, but I'm just telling you. Okay, So
we had the portable.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
TV like four o'clock service, three thirty.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, we got we got the port We had the
portable TV in the church.

Speaker 8 (16:42):
We all had a few uh little transitions and playing
cards and playing cards right okay, yep, I went down that.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
It's so funny now we're talking about transition radios and
like portable TVs. Now, like I was legitimately watching the
game my phone inside the perish.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yes that's the commercial.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yes, touchdown.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yes, Well, good for you man. I'm really happy that
a lot of people, a lot of people had the
opportunity to uh take advantage of the kindness of Pale.
And who did Pale work with besides the NFL, anybody else.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I was busy dancing in the rain and doing interviews,
and maybe before I did my interview, I should ask
that question.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Sorry, I just want to make sure we got everybody clear. Okay,
So that's really cool.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
Briefly, I wanted to be able to say shout out
to just a fan who is back in our chaty,
So shout out to him, man, I'm glad that you're.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Back with his brother. Appreciate it. I just want to
make sure week now it is glad to have you.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Thank you very much. We appreciate that. A lot of
football discussion today for sure, And in case people don't know,
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am so pumped for Thursday for a lot of different reasons.
I think there's a little bit of anticipation, more than

(23:36):
just anticipation, but skepticism by Lions fans that we will
get to here coming up. But it's interesting because it's
obviously a tradition, it's been around for a long time
and rightfully, so, I love the tradition in Detroit. I
don't have to prepare for the game, though. Just because
I load up the cooler with sun Cruiser vodka, I

(23:56):
ised tea, doesn't mean I'm preparing for the game, all right.
The players who play on a Sunday and then have
their week disrupted, not complaining about it, just giving you
an idea disrupted, and then play on a Thursday, and then,
at least in Detroit's case this year, we'll have to
play another game a week after that, or we three
games in twelve days. I can't even imagine how challenging

(24:18):
that is. You've done it. What's the biggest challenge on
a short work week in the NFL? Playing on Thanksgiving Day?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, it's tough. I've done it a couple of times. Actually,
in terms of what you're talking about, that three games
in twelve days. I did that once too, with the
New York Jets in two thousands.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
How hard is that?

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Two? It is tough because realistically you cannot really focus
on each team individually, Like when you have that many teams,
three teams in that short window, you can't really put
the necessarily, I'm just making up teams. Let's say you
can't put the necessary energy on the Giants, followed by
the Packers, followed by the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
I guess tough.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
So you come up with these game plans that can
do multiple things. They can attack most, they can tack
multiple ways, and they service. We can do that in
this game as well as this game as well as
this game, but we'll add some nuanced stuff to it.
The other part that really makes that day difficulty. If
it's a home game for you, Like I always had
family coming down, like when I played in Cleveland, I

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played in New York. I have mom, dad, mom, dad, brothers, sisters, Auntie,
uncle Walter who was always their friends. So it's coming
back to a house starting on you know, Monday or
Sunday night. It's a ton of people at the house.
I'm trying to get my game plan in. I'm trying
to watch film. I'm also trying to spend time with
the folks. Wake up in the morning, go to practice,

(25:36):
figure this out, come back and do this. How many
tickets are we going to have whenever we serveing dinner,
who's all coming, Who's going to be in the suite?
There's a ton of distraction, and you gotta have that
person or those people that take care of that. For me,
I was blessed to have my mom and.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
I have Dad.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Dad's taking care of all the tickets. He's making sure
all people are good in that. Really, if you have
any questions about tickets, see stamp.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
If you helps, you have an NFL players because he
can relate to what you're going through.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
And also my mom, she was there with my dad
when he played, so she kind of understands that side
of it too. So now I have Stan, here's the tickets.
And then my mom was you got any questions outside
that you need to talk to Brailey. You don't need
to talk to Brayley, you need to talk to me.
So my mom handled everything. What are we eating, when
is the meal gonna be, who's staying weird? Like these
are all the things that she covered. But if you
don't have those people doing that, you're legitimately trying to

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spend at the facility from seven am to four and
then come home and deal with all of those things.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
And really you want to just come home to relast.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
You really want to go home and yeah, go home,
watch some film, turn on TV. Whatever your guilty pleasure
is around eight nine, and then get some sleep so
that you can wake up and do it all over again,
and then the game, and the game comes. It's an
early game, like a twelve thirty games, So you're legitimately
not getting any sleep Wednesday night because there's food being cooked,
there's preparations. You almost need a second spot in the holidays,

(26:55):
like you almost need to get a hotel room and
spend some time away, which is cool on Wednesday because
that's what happened, you sleep over.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Since you ever do that?

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Uh yeah, but we stay in the hotel the night
before the game, so it's cool. Not on Tuesdays. Most
teams do that, yea, yeah yeah. And in terms of
like on Monday Tuesday, No, I didn't do anything to
get away. I love the fan, so I dealt with
the chaos, but it can be chaotic. And then you
have a twelve o'clock game, twelve thirty game. I think
they pushed it back to one, but it's still early.

(27:23):
Considering I got to be a four field back nine
forty five is starting getting my mental process right? What
time do I have to get up? What's going on?
What are going to be the last second deals that
even though you know your mom says that Dad says that,
you'll get some texts, you'll get some calls from people
that don't care and want to go straight into.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
The house quiet enough for you to sleep. All those
little things, the little things that I think sometimes we
probably take for granted, the turnaround Sunday to Thursday. We
know what you're week is like Monday, you go in,
you watch some film, right, you may do a walk
through whatever. Tuesdays and mandatory day off, wednesdays of practice,
thursdays of practice. Friday is kind of like a half
practice probably right. If you're traveling, you travel on Saturday

(28:05):
for a Sunday game. So we know how it's mapped out.
You've done a nice job of explaining that to us
in the past. How is it different now? Okay, Sunday
game's over all?

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
What does Monday look like? What does Tuesday look like?
What does Wednesday look like?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
The real difference is is games Sunday or Monday. If
you play Monday night football game, they're typically not gonna
schedule Monday night and Thursday, although it has happened. Typically
you play the game Sunday Monday. You go into the
facility on let's just stick with Sunday. You go in
to the facility on Monday. You get ice, you do
your thing, you get some treatment, you get a lift in,
you watch some film. You get Tuesday off. You practice

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on Wednesday. You know what that practice does. That practice
gets the fatigue off you. That practice gets the soreness
off your body. It gets that inflammation, It keeps the
inflammation down. That practice gets the lactic acid, it gets
that out of there. So you do two days of that,
then you rest on Friday. Kind of high speed glide
practice is what Pete Carroll was to say, nothing on
Saturday and your body is ready. But when you don't

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do that insert Thanksgiving week. Monday, it's a light practice,
shells sometimes shorts and helmets, running around a little bit,
but nothing crazy, dialing into the plays that you're gonna be.
No need to hit, no need to hit, no need
to hit. So then boom you do this Tuesday. It's
a bit faster, maybe you put the pads on. Still

(29:24):
no hitting, nothing crazy. You're still diving into some of
the plays. Pretty much the playbook that you had the
week before with a couple wrinkles sprinkled in on a Tuesday,
and then Wednesday, you don't do anything is to walk through.
You go to the hotel, you get ready and play
with that does you're still tired, your body is still sore.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
How about your mind? See the body is one thing,
especially this lateness season. I think a lot of coaches
and rightfully so peel you guys back. And I think
it's smart because you've taken all kinds of hitting taking place,
training camp or spring training, all that stuff, right, training, camp,
spring training, same damn thing. And then throughout the week

(30:04):
now because of where Thanksgiving is and where it lies
mid November, late November, you're gonna real them in anyway.
What about mentally? How are you able to get through
and forget the last game plan adapt to a new
one in just two days?

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Mentally you can do it because the checks are nice.
You know what I'm saying. I'm just saying, NFL play
is right, just joking, it's tough. You know, I wasn't
joking the NFL, but it is tough because you're legitimately
in one week you're talking about you know, who's the
maay cool on this play and with this team what
do they do? I watched all this film. I've literally
read the scouting report on this dB. I know that,

(30:41):
who would I say, the Giants? I know that the Giants.
dB does that?

Speaker 13 (30:45):
Does that?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
And then boom you blank that And all of a sudden,
I got a learn what the Green Bay Packers to do.
I have to remember what this is. And so that
mental of flipping through players, flipping through schemes, flipping through
what adjustments are going to be versus certain players. Oh dang,
that's not this game. Hold on, let me, who are
we playing with the Cowboys?

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Now?

Speaker 4 (31:03):
It kind of gets like that. And oh, by the way,
you're talking about Thanksgiving, which means now the playoff races
are getting tighter now everybody's the expectancy is a little different.
Now each game matters a little bit more. Now you're
getting to the end of the year. What happens at
end of year in you in your real life? There
are things that come on bills or do mortgage?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Just pay?

Speaker 4 (31:22):
What's Christmas looked like? Did I do everything that? Little Timmy?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
When are you going back home?

Speaker 4 (31:27):
When are you going back home?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
If you don't live in the city you're playing, so all.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
These things are going on too on top of football.
So this time of year is when the three games
and twelve, this is when it gets tough because this
is the time of year where there's so much going
on just in your regular life and oh, by the way,
you play football. Let's talk about these three games.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
When when the Lions are preparing for this Packers team,
they saw green Bay in Week one. Packers are different,
The Lions are vastly different too. How much do you
think they're looking at what Green Bay has done or
did in game one and how much are they learning
from what they did just this past week in association
with that.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
But the good news they're playing the Packers and they
just played the Eagles, So a lot of the film
that they watched when they were scouting the Eagles they'll
be able to use on this package team. They'll be
able to use because this is the same team that
they just played two three weeks ago. But you know
what that Green Bay team is. I think they're not
in terms of the defense. Defense is good. They haven't
changed anything. Still the same defense. You don't necessarily have

(32:26):
to reopen the playbook and figure out what we're gonna
do like they should have been doing that already, and
then the offense just hasn't necessarily been good. It hasn't
been a lot too for the Lions to focus on,
like right now from the Detroit Lions, and I look
at that Green Bay offense like they're either gonna try
to run the ball with Elijah Wilson or they're gonna
try to throw the ball to Romeo Doves. There's not
much there, yeah, and I think that plays well for

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the Lions having to play them in a short turnaround.
There's not a lot to this offense the defense. I mean,
those guys can play coming off those edges, but they
have some injuries. Hickson's their best dB, he's now out.
I think it's a little bit easier because the Eagles game,
and then because of what the offense looks like.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
That's secondary. By the way, Green Bay leads the NFL
in fewest yards per attempt, fewest yards allowed or fifth
I'm sorry fifth best, Yeah, fewest yards allowed, and they've
allowed thirteen touchdowns, which is seventh fewest.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So it's a challenge, no question.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
But down I don't know how much of that is
the secondary versus how much that is the defensive line
getting that pressure, like when you're legitimately running away from
Michael Parsons and Rashaun Gary all game. It doesn't make
it easy. We saw what this Green Bay defense has
been doing to teams. They've been blanketing them. Like you
saw the Eagles. They're not very good offense, but they
look abysmal against the Green Bay Packers. So when you

(33:44):
have a defensive line and the second level guys, the
linebackers playing as well as they are, that's why you
can get rid of a Jyry Alexander, which now we
understand was the right move. Now you don't really need
as much on the secondary because it's happening fast. Like
quarterbacks don't have time to break down with this secondary
is which we don't know. There's not a lot of
time for guys to get rid of the ball.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, Parsons with ten sacks, Gary was seven and a half.
They couldn't do it the first week at Lambeau. But
how do they slow that path? How do you in
the NFL slow down a pass rush. What's the best
way to do that? How do the Lions do that?
And do you think they're capable of doing that?

Speaker 4 (34:24):
I definitely think they're capable of doing that. You see
what's going on. We'll talk about this guy, Jamiir Gibbs
in a different way coming up soon. But Jamia's Gibbs
is exploded and they're starting to figure out how to
really use him, not even just on the outside. You
saw the receiver side of Jamiir Gibbs against the Eagles.
That's going to be very good when you use this
against the Green Bay Packers. They run a similar style
and turn of guys coming off that edge quick, being

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able to get the ball into the outsides, and then
also running between the tackles. They're finding something, at least
Jamiri is. He's finding ways to slow the protection down
so he can see the spots, pick the spots and
then take off like Signing, which is his nickname. So
I think that he's a different, different player that they
didn't get the chance to see Week one, Week one,
Jamiir Gibbs, he had nineteen yards Russian. I backed that

(35:07):
up a lot of catches very few years. Yeah, but
he had had a lot of catches. But those catches
are happening nowhere past two yards, right, and so it's
not like he's down the field I think he's in
an understanding of what this offense is. We talk so
much about Jamo needing to learn his role and figure
out what's good with this offense. But Jamira's figured it out.
Jamiro understands his role and what he is in this offense.

(35:30):
So I think this is going to be different than
what they saw week one.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I got a question for a regarding roles. What's David
Montgomery's role?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Now?

Speaker 4 (35:39):
I guess it's as good as mine because in the space,
how would you use him? How would I are? How
do they?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
How would you I was the most effective way to
use David Montgomery moving forward? Knowing that Jamiir Gibbs, you've
got to get the ball in his hands as often
as possible, just because of the playmaking ability that he has.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
You got to use him in some in some some
change up to change up the pace type players. Like
really right now, when they bring him in, which is rarely,
they bring him in short yards and goal I mean
not even on the goal line, to be honest, like
just short yardists try to bang out some yards, or
they bring him when Jamiir is tired, not necessarily when
you're trying to create something. When you're trying to set
something up, it's like, oh, well, Jamia, just ram for

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seventy yards a little bit.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
Blow.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Hey, you get in there and you take some snaps.
I would use him much like we used to use him.
It wasn't necessarily you're the big back, you come in
for a third and short you know, you come in
on the goal line. It was, Oh, I like what
we could do on this. We'll set them up in
the first series with this, that and the third, and
then we'll bring you in. Oh, we'll put you in
there together like he actually used him. I would use

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him to the point where people think he might be
doing something for him a little bit, so that he
can open up something else. Right now, when he gets
in the game, he's blocking. When he gets in the game,
you know it's past bro.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, we haven't really seen them, or maybe I just
haven't noticed as much as I should. Haven't seen them
use the two of them together like we thought we
were going to.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I think they tried a couple of times in that
Chiefs game, and that happened and they went away from it.
And I think they also tried it a couple of
times in that Vikings game and Brian floor is that
defense wasn't having it. So I think they a couple
of times that they've trotted it out there, they haven't
had any type of success, and they brought it back.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
You think Jamior Gibbs should be included in the MVP conversation?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
No, not right now?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Like not right now.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
It's six games and maybe he can do something to
change that. But for the first what is the first
seven games the season? He didn't go a hundred yards rushing,
Like we were just having a conversation two weeks ago
about where's the rush right, Like we just had a
conversation a week ago, two weeks ago the Vikings game,
et cetera, like when can we get a consistent running game?
This was just the conversation that we have. And so

(37:48):
the fact that we've had that conversation from week one
untill two weeks ago, you can't be in the You
can't be.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Don't get me wrong. I think he's dynamic as hell.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Offensive Player of the Year, Yeah, he's emerging up that
MVP Like no.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, I think even Offensive Player of the Year I
would have a hard time.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Taylor Christian McCaffrey, like, these are your same position Smith,
and I'm saying that's just your same position. Yeah, right
now you're not at this point. I can't put you
above them.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, what it surprised you got? How many times do
you think he's gone over one hundred yards this year?

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Twice?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Twice?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Three times?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
That was a three times, three times. I was gonna
say three yea, three times, three times. One against the Giants,
one against Washington, and one against Tampa.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Is that just rushing or that's just rushing?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, Okay, he's a dual threat, so you need to
include some other things that are associated with it. I
just I find it very interesting how quickly we live
in that hyperbolic space. As much as we love and
and respect him, we talk about him a lot, and
rightfully so. But just a year ago, the standard was
sakuon Barkley. Yeah, you actually said he belongs in the MVP.

(39:02):
Conversation a week ago before the Kansas City game, you
said Jonathan Taylor should win the MVP.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Then he has fifty six yards against the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
And suddenly people have backed off, right, b Jean Robinson,
He's a really good player, right. Christian McCaffrey is going
to do something no running back has ever done. No
one's ever done what he's about to do.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
What he's going to go over a.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Thousand yards rushing, one thousand yards receiving for the second
time in his career.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
The only other.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Players to do that Marshall law logic career and Roger Craig,
who's underrated. Love Roger Craig one of my favorite running backs.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
True, but like Jonathan Taylor, like where you put yourself
in the beginning of the season, how that rives was
you can have a fifty six yard game.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Absolutely, I'm just saying people have that. They started talking
about him. It's such an ebb and flow. Remember remember
going into the Lions game against Tampa, you and I
were talking about Baker Mayfield. He was being mentioned, Daniel
Jones was being mentioned, and you quickly said, wait a minute,
Jonathan Taylor on that team more than Daniel Jones. I'm
just bringing up names associated with it. And now suddenly

(40:02):
it's cooled off. And if you look at the latest odds,
it's like, look who's up and who's look who's down.
All I'm wondering is Jamiir Gibbs player Offensive Player of
the Year. Certain moments stick out in voters' minds, and
I think what he did against the Giants probably resonates
with a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's all.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
No, it does.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Does.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
I don't want to say anything and be misconstrued as hating.
So I feel like you've put me in this. You've
put me in a corner where, yes, he's having a
really good last couple of games, but in terms of
MVP not yet.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, it's it's a tough thing. I would say. Against
Philadelphia he also had one hundred and seven yards receiving
and thirty nine yards rushing. So if you're looking at
the combination of one hundred yards or more, he did
it against the Giants. Obviously, he did it against Philadelphia.
He did it against Washington. He did not do it
against Minnesota. He did it against Tampa. And then you're

(40:58):
looking at everybody else. It's it's below Chicago, just barely
over one hundred combined. Okay, So you're looking at roughly
four games of one hundred yards or more and that's
that's tough to say. That's an MVP candidate.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
And meanwhile, somebody told me he's Barry Barry Sanders.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yea, I don't know who told you that. I think
that's that's the ultimate in hyperbolic moment, that's asinine. Quite honestly,
I think.

Speaker 9 (41:22):
That's He and Jonathan Taylor, though, are about neck and
neck as it relates to all purpose jars this year.
So if Jonathan Taylor is in that MVP conversation, you
look at the Detroit Lions, who's offense hasn't had much
consistency this year, and it just lost one of its
most consistent pieces in saanl Porta. Now you're talking about
a whole lot more pressure on a Jamior Gibbs. If anything,

(41:44):
I believe if there's any claim to Offensive Player of
the Year, I do believe this candidacy is going to
It's gonna definitely be a He's gonna have the opportunity
to stake that claim from.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Here on out.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, I can't. I can't imagine it unless, like Breeland says,
he does something over the less six games, I can't
image Jonathan Taylor by far and away has more in
terms of those numbers, plus his team is winning, and
Christian McCaffrey with over one hundred yards with the number
of games.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
About one hundred yards over Jamia.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
But he's done it. I think he's done it in
every game but won this year. Okay, So I mean
we're talking about different levels here and trying to separate
ourselves from the guy we love the most and the
guy we love wearing an alliance Jersey. Compared to somebody
who's actually voting for this, there is difference. But when
you talk about him and Barry Sanders, I don't know

(42:34):
why we feel I'm not saying you and I why
people in general feel the need to immediately start comparing
him to what I would call the greatest running back
of all time. And if he's not one, he's in
the top three. If he's not in the top three
in the NFL right now, how is he in the
top three of all time?

Speaker 4 (42:53):
As it relates to Barry Sanders conversation. I saw something
that Terry Foster say yesterday, and that's what got me
because Terry's Terry is a little bit too grown to
say that Jamiir Gibbs is going to be a better
running back than Barry Sanders. I don't mind younger kids
talking about it. They didn't see Barry, although everybody's still
watching Barry on YouTube. I don't mind it. Hey, you
guys want to have fun. You want to start the debate.
Much like you said Lebron was better than Michael in

(43:14):
like two thousand and seven. I get that. But when
you have somebody like Terry Foster said, now I got
to come to the forefront and ask why. Like I
saw somebody in that same chat say Jamiir would be
the best running back the ever played for the Lions.
I was like, all right, I said, now, let me
educate you. Jamiir Gibbs is not going to be better

(43:35):
than Barry Sanders, and right now he definitely is not
better than Barry Sanders. Barry Sanders is your favorite running backs,
favorite running back. I remember talking to Jim Brown at
nauseum because Jim Brown was a liaison between the players
and the upper management when I played. I'm from Detroit,
I'm young. You know, first thing out of my mouth,
who's better you were?

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Barry?

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Jim Brown told me that he thought Barry was a
better running back. Wow. The Danian Thomason, who was my
teammate in twenty ten, told me Barry's the best running
back of all time. Curtis Martin, who's a friend of
mine and the mentor of mine New York Jets shout
out who also did the same thing Barry is done,
which is ten seasons in a row of one thousand yards.
Curtis did it as well, told me it was Barry Sanders.

(44:18):
Barry's different because you're not comparing him to another running back.
This isn't like the Tennessee Titans. And you're like, well, Derrek,
Hemry's gonna better than Earl Campbell, like in statistically, maybe
is it gonna be better Chris one hundred percent? You're
basically saying that Jamier Gibbs is going to be the
best running back of all time because that's who you
said he's gonna be better than. I don't even need
to read the stats. I wrote the stats down, but

(44:40):
we've all read the stats and nausey, I lie, I'm
gonna read the stats. Ten years in a row, ten
Pro Bowls, no problem. Of those ten years, six of
them were first team All Pro, four of them were
second team All Pro, finished MVP one once finished MVP twice,
once finished, MVP third once. Like scrimmage, the things that

(45:03):
he did are rediculous, like reridiculous, over two thousand yards
of scrimmage twice He only had two seasons where he
was under fifteen hundred and one of them he only
played eleven games, and eleven games he had eleven fifteen
to four touchdown like the things that he did. Also,
he started as a rookie, something Jamier didn't do. He

(45:25):
also won Offensive Player Year, something that Jamiir did not do,
so is jami amazing. He has the same home run
capability as Barrier, and in fact, I would venture to
say more. I was venture to say his home run
hitting ability is buried in Barry's, which is insane to say,
but it's true, Like that's what he has over Barry
right now. The way in which he touches. When he

(45:45):
touches the rock, any play can be a house called.
I think he's five point five or six yards per
touch in terms of receiving as well as rushing, Barry
was five point one or so. But in terms of
who is better, like Barry did it with good lines
and he did it with also bad lines. The two
thousand yard year, Yeah, that wasn't. No, that wasn't. Frank

(46:09):
rag Now and Penay Sewel and Kevin Zeitler and Taylor
Decker and Christian whoever, started last year left guard Glasgow.
That wasn't that offensive line. That was an offensive line
that was not as good, and he had twenty and
fifty three yards. Like what he did is legendary. But
Jamiir is on his way. Why don't you just relax?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, don't you enjoy it?

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Allowed Jamiir, Like, I'm excited that last game was amazing.
First place from Scrimmer sixty nine yards, goodbye, Like this
is fun to watch. Don't don't start the hyperbolic stuff
like dis and Barry because you may.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Not like Barry.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, And I don't know how you can't like Barry.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Because people still fixated on the facts and he didn't
finish that. That's become the moniker here, like well he
quit Stafford quit on us, Barry quit on us, Calvin
quit on us.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, I get you right, Yeah, it is kind of ridiculous.
And I get the whole touchdown thing. Just a reminder.
Back in the day, and I was doing pre and
post game shows, uh for the Lions radio network when
Barry Sanders is playing. The complaint from Lions fans regularly

(47:15):
was they're not giving him the ball enough. You know,
the goal line. You know why it's a lot of
jump balls to Herman Moore and for good reason.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Yeah, okay, he could have had one hundred and fifty touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I was gonna say he could have had a hell
of a lot more touchdowns. I would say almost twice
as many touchdowns. That's probably too much, but he could.
He could have had a hell of a lot more touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
It's like Julio Jones, if.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
They would have given it to him like Dallas used
to give it to him at Smith.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Sign no side note sign no side even side, let
me sidle, yeah, let me side or even more right
up here, see what I did. So look, everybody wants
to talk about the dual threat in which Jamiir gives.
Like right now, his dual threat ability is just through
the roof. It's off the charts.

Speaker 14 (47:59):
One.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
But you know when I compare that to I compare
that to Michael Jordan shooting a three point Like Michael
didn't shoot three points because he didn't want to, but
when he wanted to, we saw that and Michael could
shoot the three. If Barry played in the offense, that
that's what it did. Yeah, one, that's what the offense
would have become through Barry Sanders like he didn't do
it because he couldn't. They didn't run offenses that got
the backs involved out of the backfield. That wasn't a

(48:21):
part of what they did. So he didn't even need it.
One hundred and fifteen yards from scrimmage per game was
Barry Sanders over his ten year career on hundred and
fifteen yards from scrimmage and he wasn't even the pass
or even running.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Back right do the math, dude, was a fifteen hundred
season for Barry Sanders. People like, is he okay?

Speaker 7 (48:41):
You know?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I mean he was just he was just on a
different level.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Oh siding though, can I say something the other side?
He should have been the only running back to go
over two thousand yards twice because he did. He took himself,
He took itself out the game, and he missed the
game that year, eighteen seventy four. Christian OKOI yeah, nintsy yep,
he said, he said, I don't need it. Yeah, eighteen
seventy four, missed the game and took itself out of

(49:06):
a game. It would have been two that would never
happen today.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Never.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
I'm not I'm not saying anything else about Jamia because
then it becomes like you have to bury somebody.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, and that's funny. That's not what it's okay, not
at all. We love them.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
You wouldn't see this from Barry though the first six
games the season were nineteen ninety four, sixty seven, ninety one,
fifty four sixty five for Jamier Gibbs. You would never
see at the beginning of the season Barry saying the
six games in a row under one hundred and damn
sure wouldn't see it when we had three of those games.
That's four three of those games, so that three of
those games under fifty, Like, stop it.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Here's the last thing. I hate this, this take from
sports radio and sports radio and sports television too, but
it's one of the layup things that a lot of
people like to use during the season when sports gets slow.
Let's do a Mount Rushmore. I hate that, okay, But
if you were to take NFL writers, I don't care

(50:05):
how old they are, and said give me the Mount
Rushmore of running backs, there's not one, not one who
wouldn't include Barry Sanders. With all due respect to the
phenomenally talented and exhilarating Jamir Gibbs. He is not taking
Jim Brown's plays. He's not taking Barry Sanders place. He's

(50:27):
not taking Emmett Smith's place. He's not taking Walter Paydner,
Eric Dickers. He's not in that conversation, Oh, Jaz, I
actually think underrated. But overall, and that's again, that is
not a knock on him. It's a really tough thing.
As matter of fact, I brought this up, and I
think I shared it with you. I said, does Detroit

(50:49):
when all is said and done, when does Detroit have
the two best running backs for any franchise in the
history of the sport.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
I didn't know the people were going to jump Barry.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I didn't either jump Barry. It's incredible. Yeah. By the way,
I'd also have this. If Billy Simms had stayed healthy,
he've been a problem. You may be talking about Barry
Sanders in a different light in comparison to the Hawaiians franchise.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Because he may not have drafted him.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Because Billy Simms was the son of a bitch man.
He was unbelievable, He really was. He was an incredible player,
simply incredible. Anyway, go ahead, Sorry about.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
That, also too, did we forget what he did his
junior Oklahoma State, like I know, his college, but that
the fact that people are still trying to achieve that.
And then he goes into the NFL and says, you
know what that twenty six hundred and sixty eight yards
and thirty four touchdowns. You know what, hold my drink,
I got something for you in the NFL, like twenty
six sixty eight yeah, and thirty four touchdowns in one year.

(51:50):
And oh, by the way, it was eleven games.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Man, what are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
That is I mean, I know you can't bring in
the collegiate aspect of it, but those are eye popping numbers, right,
thirty four touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
I mean big eight too.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, they could play, no doubt about it. All right,
quick time out. That was good, good stuff right there.
We can accelerate just a little bit. We're not talking
about that in a negative way. From a Jamior gibbson.

Speaker 9 (52:19):
Bulls, he's getting a lot of records right now. I
am bullets on who he's gonna be as a player.
You look at him right now, most single game scrimmage
yards from a running back.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
In Detroit Lion's history. I think he's well on his way,
definitely on his way to do well.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
I think I believe that he's well on his way
if he continues up these types of paces. Everything about
y'all right now, you're seeing him amongst the same things
that Barry Sanders has done. That's statistical, that's not kool aid,
that's not me. That's what he's doing. And I do
believe if he continues this pace, we will be talking
about him in some of these rarefied are right now,

(52:55):
though I do believe it is supremely disrespectful though to
put him in that rarefied are before he's continued to pace,
going out there and done things in the playoffs and
earned his keep.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, like that status cool and the status great, and
it's dope. It actually really is dope. He's really using
what they do these days is throw the ball to
run back out of the backfield as well as run
between the tackles. So he's doing an amazing job of that.
The only thing is, though, like, how many times this
year will we clamoring for this offensive for this offensive
running game to pick up? How many times are we
blaming the offensive line, which is very true? How many

(53:27):
times we, like Christian I mean, Johnny Mo Jesus Christ,
can you figure it out? Dan Campbell? What are you
doing against the the team the Eagles? Yeah, Like we
were just having these conversations all year long. So you
can't have these conversations and then after this game start
to talk about well, statistically the things that what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, it's tough. I don't again, every time you bring
up something for one player or one team, even one city,
you almost feel like you're degrading the other. And that's
not what this is meant to do. But I'm just
gonna give you some names.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Real quick, okay.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Jerome Bettis Thurman, Thomas Terrell Davis, Emmitt Smith, Marshall Folk,
you like them all, yes, Eddie, George, Curtis Martin. I mean,
these are a really good player. Barry Sanders far and
away the best back of the nineteen nineties, Okay, And
that's the competition he's beaten. Okay. I don't have to

(54:28):
say a whole lot more than that. When those guys
are that good, and you've got people telling an NFL
player who played who was an All Pro and they're
saying he's the best, Okay, that's enough for me. Now
you could talk about trends all you want, with all
due respect, but let me know when the best of

(54:48):
your erar is beaten out some of the greatest of
all time. Okay, yeah, I think that's important to keep
in mind. What if Barry Sanders did what he did
and people said, damn, that guy's the best I've ever seen.
It's not hyperbolic they're doing. He's doing it against some
of the greatest people had seen during that time as well, right,
I mean, Marshall Folk's one of the greatest too dual

(55:10):
threat running backs of all time. He's not beating Barry
Sanders when it comes to all that stuff. It's just
not happening, all right. And to Braylen's point, and this
is no knock on Lomans Brown, no knock on eric
Anleuseak before him, and Mike Uttley and Kevin Glover and
you know a lot of these guys. But it was

(55:33):
tough sled him for Barry at times. Okay, he's making
an awful lot out of not much.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
So, I mean, we'll see, this would be a fun
year to be a good and at the end of
the year, I think Barry had nineteen hundred yards some
scrimmage after year three. So you want to have a conversation,
come back and talk to me after the season and
we'll compare notes. Barry was eighteen seventy something and I
think he finished the year with eighteen touchdowns. Yeah, so

(56:00):
let's come back. We'll compare notes sixteen games too.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Marcus Allen Edrin James.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
I didn't realize Marcus Allen had that many touchdowns. He
has a touchdown ship.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
He was to that was.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I'm just bringing up additional names to play during the
Berry Sanders era that a lot of guys today still
couldn't touch Jami's.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Jamire's a better running back than Marcus Allen. But Marcus
Allen was damn good, and he played with some really
good teams like Jamier's.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I think Jamier's played with two the last few years.
He's played some pretty good teams too.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
One.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And that's not it's not a knock on him. Like
I said, give me a running back, I want him.
All right, we're talking about we're talking about all time
grades here, and we need to we need to pump
the brakes every once in a while because I think
everybody wants to be able to say I've seen the best.
It's my era that's the best, and sometimes we've got
to we've got to check out a little bit. All right,
more football talk on the other side, you want to

(56:51):
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Anybody hosting?

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The open face?

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afterwards the next day with all the leftovers.

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What what's the best side? It's a good one?

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Twofol? Can I do too?

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I got a question.

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Okay, what do you got KOOLI? What's the best side?

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
It's sweet potatoes, you know, uh, and black and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Cheese explaining describe.

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
I'm okay with all types of macaroni and cheese. All
macaroni and cheese matters. But the way that grandma bakes
it and we call it black and cheese is the way.
It's that baked mac and cheese with the cheese all
throughout it, the cheese sauce, the cheese on top, bake it,
put the crumble on top, and it's a little bit
different than the one that just has the cheese sauce,

(01:10:15):
a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
While you were talking just now, why did I hear
the intro song to Lloyd and Squad? LORDA Squad was
a good show. But yes, that's what I heard. What
about you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I was gonna have spread it first, if you don't mind.

Speaker 13 (01:10:34):
My stepdad's collar.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Greens really, yes, okay, what makes him so great?

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I don't really know.

Speaker 13 (01:10:43):
He's just very good at Macon. I mean, there's so
much bacon to him. There's there's so much flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
He's just the best thing ever.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
My wife and I have very salivating.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
I've never had it. I've never had it, so you
never had cold greens.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Really, we gotta tell you I have a surprise for you,
not that cough. On Friday. Friday, I'll be coming in
with some kyl greens for you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
You know me, I'm very I'm very strict about what
I eat. It's pretty much right down this lane. It's
the same stuff all the time. And I'm okay, I
think you'll understand. You'll understand where I go when I
say the best sides for me are are so bland.

(01:11:36):
I mean, people are not. It's all it is is
mashed potatoes and gravy. And I know, I know, I
told you, I told you what it was going to be.
You knew this and the stuffing. So my wife loves
things like turnip and rude baca and things like that
associate with it. For me. Here's my plate. It's turkey,

(01:11:57):
mashed potatoes and gravy and stuff. That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Now, if there were was if there was mac and cheese,
I'd eat it because I love mac and cheese.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
But all the others bring you a whole plate of Friday.
I'm gonna bring this. I'm gonna bring us some plates
you're gonna need to and we're gonna break bread.

Speaker 13 (01:12:14):
He's gonna want a whole plate.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Bread is good too. I don't mind that either.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
What's the dessert?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Okay, So my sister makes the most unbelievable trifle you've
ever had.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Any face you just went to a place.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
Trifle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
I didn't call you trifle, but I could if you
want me to pies. Of course, everybody's got pies, right,
And my mom used to make the greatest homemade pie.
I mean everything from scratch, peach pie, apple pie, cherry pies.
But my sister makes a trifle in what looks to
be a massive vase, and it's like red velvet cake,

(01:12:50):
chocolate whipped a little milky ways in it, chopped up
milky ways, some more whipped cream, and it's layers. It's
like four layers high.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
I'll come over and get somebody I don't know about the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Root bank of the dogs won't even get that that stuff.
If listen, it's and she brings it, and it's it's
a thing to behold. I'll take a picture of it,
and I'll try to bring yourself. I probably say that
YouTube Brandon, Sorry, cool aid. By the time you get back,
it'll be gone.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
My mom is as it relates to the sweets, the desserts,
Lemon marine pie like Chef's kiss Lemon marine pie. She's
been making for a very long time. She only makes
it for two people. One of them this will be hey,
this will be the first thing to geting with her uncle.
Watch but he and I were the two that were
fighting for the limmon marine. But we get to the
refrigerat around the same time. He last, life's my house,

(01:13:42):
So bring that for me. I'll bring all right side
that can go, a side that can side that is
represented by Thanksgiving. So like when people say you like, okay,
let's get rid of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
It, you can go, well, I just gave you. I mean,
my mother in law would be really angry at me,
but she loves to turn up stuff like green bean
castle role.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Thank you, thank you, I was thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I'm surprised we agree on that it's green.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
This is true, but it's green bean castle role and
it has a it has a typical stereotype.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
Is that the sweet what we gotta we gotta brand
stereotype here?

Speaker 13 (01:14:19):
I mean green bean castle role pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
With the French and stuff and all that with green
bean castro.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Look, we're gonna keep it funking today, you know, like
white like like black folks educating Black people don't have
green bean castle the house, and we interpret it as
a white type of entree or delicacy. Legitimately, this is
how I grew up. This is how I went to college.
My first year in the NFL playing for the Green

(01:14:48):
Bay Paper blatantly live playing for the Cleveland Browns and
my parents is the only year that I was not
with my parents, like Thanksgiving, Christmas. They didn't come up
with things. Has left me hanging. You guys left me hanging.
So they didn't come up. So Coach Sheer Rip Sheer
was the quarterbacks coach Cleveland Brown's great man by the way,
great family. He invited me over and I said, well, yeah, sure,

(01:15:11):
my parents stiff me so sure, I'm just joking. And
I went over there and lo and behold like I
saw it for the first time. It was green bean castle.
I did, of course, first.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Of was it good? No?

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Okay, no, it was that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
So just so I'm clear, you won't eat green bean
castrole because of the label that's associated with. But Brendan
will eat Collar Greens even though it's associated with a
label that was sneaky.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
But Colli Greens is just good. I will eat it
if somebody tells me, hey, look, I know this isn't
your thing. Much like I've tried Indian food a million
times and I'm still like, I'll pass. But like when
someone comes say hey, look like if Brendan said, hey,
look my parents made great green bean castle role and
he brought me some on Friday, I will have it.
I would have it. I don't mind trying food that

(01:16:00):
don't like. If someone tells me I'm just telling you
the ratio where I'm at right now, I'm not gonna
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You won't be able to get that down to nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I like this one from Randall Smallest. He says I
can do without cranberries.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
I don't mind that either, because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
I don't eat cranberries on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
If I do it just a little bit, but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Just a little little for you, brandon your outre.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Yeah, you can get rid of cranberries.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
One that I'm gonna say, I think it's gonna piss
off a lot of people in my family and in
other places.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I'm sorry, comes you can.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
You can get rid of candy as nod.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I've never liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
And my daughter and I don't like sweep tailors.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
I know they're ridiculously Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
I don't like them either, even sweet potato fries. I
don't like something saying, my entire family loves them and
I hate them. And I don't know what, because I
think it's because of this. When my mom used to.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Make for Eastern black car she had, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Are you might lose you might Brandon might gain one
from the college. Uh. She used to serve ham and
turkey and Easter and she used to serve yams all
the time. Yeah, and I just couldn't get into it.
And sweet potatoes in my house and you had to
eat everything on your plate and had to eat everything
that was served. There's no sorry, I don't want that. No,
you're gonna eat it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
And I was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
It was just forced down my throat. I just couldn't stand.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Sweet potatoes are already sweet enough. And when you make
candy yams where yam sweet potatoes similar the same type
of thing. When you spice it up and now you
had the cinnamon and now you had the glaze, and
it gets even sweeter. I'm like, it's almost like you
should eat it as a dessert.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
So almost it feels like a pie.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
Yeah it does.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
It feels like a little bit of on the side
after in a little cup. Maybe throw some ice cream
in it. I don't know, like Pete Gobblet.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
That's a good one, don't rule I deserve for dinner, man,
My mom.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Was sweet potato pie. You got sweet potato pie for I.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
Love the yams.

Speaker 9 (01:18:04):
And my wife she does do sweet potato pie every year.
She does a little bit differently than the normal recipe.
It is a from scratch recipe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:18:12):
And I don't actually like any sweeper toetal pie like
other sweep but the way this one is, I love
it now. The yams though, the candy yams, it's a staple.
If it's not there, I'm like, is this even really Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
I gotta have it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I got one. This is from This is from the chat.
Amen to that you and I are in the same page.
This is from the chat. Chitling's what that's okay? I
just I'm just asking because somebody put that in the chat.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
That's fairs. You can have them, like I can't even
saying when I was stuttered like I just when I
was a kid, because my grandma likes Chitling's my Chitling's
my grandma, my whole family on that side except my mom.
I just could never get past the smell. Shit. I
just remember walking I can still vividly smell chillings right

(01:19:04):
now walking into my grandmother's house and she's getting it,
she's getting it ready to day before, and you just like,
what what?

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
First time I smelled tillings, I thought I was gonna
pass up. And then the even worst part, the even worst,
I'm so sorry, girl, this is not you. You're not
The only eat even worst part is the cleaning process,
and like when you look at them, you're like, I
know you're not about to eat that. I first of all,
it smells like that. Then the texture is slip.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
So you did eat them? You did eat them?

Speaker 7 (01:19:38):
Right? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
You never ate them? Okay, that's one of those ones
that I'll fight somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Square up?

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Is this one controversial?

Speaker 17 (01:19:48):
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Speaker 9 (01:19:48):
She loves me on Payday? Great name, says uh, let
me read that name. She loves me on Payday says
get rid of the doubled eggs.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
I whoa, we ain't doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I don't need double eggs.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
I love you. You saw what I said. My favorite
side was the first thing I said was potato which
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Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
I love the potato salad either. Yeah, my mom used
to make cold and German warm potato salad. Didn't eat
either one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
I love that's Eastern, like the whipped deviled edge, and
people do sprinkle it. I don't even like, Uh, what's
the cavear? I hate caviard? People buy caviar. It's like
she bay caveard. You put a little cave on devils.
I'm not gonna say it's not great. You'd like that,
I would, Okay, all right, I will never buy a cavear.
I let you know that.

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That's that's funny if I go to a place to
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Wow, a bunch of Michigan people on this board. All right,
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We have the manager Kenny Holland there.

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You go, tweety bird saying. And then we got another
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Oh, okay, Michigan Tech to Oh yeah, he's one of
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Yes, yeah, Michigan Tech.

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Yes, good good job man. I'm surprised it took that
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Him in, to be honest with you, because he played
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The Michigan Sports Hall of Fame.

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I remember that night this was covered.

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It was well done.

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I wanted to see that. I wanted to go this year,
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well don't I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Yeah, I don't think this year's been held yet, has it,
Because I'm about to do the voiceover reads for it.
Oh and it's due Monday. I happen to do those
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The best thing about things like that is like people
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have at least I know I was. It's good to
have individuals come on stage because now you can see
what they're doing. Now you can see where their journey
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But then Cecil I haven't talked to BIG's daddy since
he left. I played on the same travel team as
Prince when he was here back in the day. Okay,
so I know that family pretty decent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Jake Long, I believe, is going to be an honorary
captain this weekend from Michigan, Ohio State. Yeah, it's a
good thing to get into. Can shout to Jake and
we can. We can do that. I'm looking forward to it.
We'll do that tomorrow and we'll do that Friday as well,
So we will dive into that here in a moment.
Really good night. Thank you for that the Michigan Sports
Hall of Fame bringing out of that by So are
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Do you think.

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Group shot and have somebody illustrated right here.

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for sure. So yesterday I thought was a great day
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blowing out Indiana and then watching the Pacers go on

(01:31:40):
on eleven and two run and so on and so
forth as one thing. But Cunningham, Jalen dura these are
the guys that we talk about the thing that I
found most interesting, and both of them are worth talking
about because Cunningham had another double double and was for
a cisshai I think of a triple double, and Jalen
Durha had a double dope but Jaye and Ivy played
twelve minutes, had twelve points, and man, you're watching this

(01:32:02):
and you're thinking, Okay, he's gonna slide into that starting lineup.
You would think at some point, maybe Asar Thompson goes
to the bench, and you'd literally look at the Pistons
and think to yourself. On November twenty fourth of this year,
they won their thirteenth consecutive game, which ties the franchise
record nineteen ninety Pistons in two thousand and four. Pistons
both won the championships two years ago. On November twenty fourth,

(01:32:25):
they lost their thirteenth straight game en route to an
NBA record twenty eight consecutive What a difference in just
two years, huh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
One, I'm saying, I just look at just the basketball
landscape as a whole. You know, you're talking about two
years ago, just the basketball landscape as a whole. You
look at Michigan State. They're still trying to figure out
what the program is going to be. Is time Izzo
still the right guy? Can he have another run? Is
it too late? Is it over from or is him
yelling at players not conducive to how you want to
coach players. Look at where Michigan was two years ago.

(01:32:56):
It was the end of the Jaha, the Juwan Howard era.
Michigan was looking like a we don't know what the
program is going to be after the hands that after
what blyon left is the program took a turn. That's
that and then the pistons and what you said, that's
where the basketball landscape was all around the state, right,
and it is completely flipped around. And that's because you
have Dusty May and Michigan that understands the NIL landscapes,

(01:33:19):
understands the transperportal. Oh, by the way he can coach.
I iso figured it out doing it his way, but
he also implemented a couple of little new things that
they have changed a little bit. And then in the
NBA you added professionalism and Trajing Langdon and then he
hired J. B. Bickerstaff, and you know he is in
terms of cultivating young players, he's allowing them to play

(01:33:39):
and they built some identity. So I think it's you
hire competent people all the way around.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
I don't think we've made enough of Trajan Langdon's vision
for this team. But not just that. The impact of
certain veterans on younger players, and it was really last year,
it was hard Away, it was Beasley, it was Harris
and it remains Harris, and obviously a little bit later

(01:34:06):
on it was Shrewder. Those guys were all very impactful
some of the younger guys today. There is a passing
of the baton from one generation that's unfair, but from
that group of Evets to some of the younger players
that not allow these younger players to be better leaders,

(01:34:26):
better players, more cerebral players, take care of their body.
All those different things that they learn from these guys
that I think is paying off in space right now.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
Yeah, one of them saying, a lot of these teams
that are struggling in any sport, they have a lot
of young guys, and what it is young guys just
don't necessarily know what they don't know. Yeah, it's not
about them being this dad of third or not cutting it.
They don't know what they don't know. When you have
the older guys around, they can show you little stuff
how to watch film, how to study, how to prepare,
what a good diet looks like, where not to go
when it's three in the morning on the road, and

(01:34:56):
things like that. They can show you some things and
you don't have to follow all of it, but just
having that sponge or just having that ability to, hey,
you know, I didn't, man, what's it like when you
get into the playoffs and you're this and you're on
the road and blah blah blah. What's the distraction level? Like, like, Hey, Tobias,
let me ask you about how many jumpers are you
putting up? Even when you're now three months into the season.
Your body's tired, and we still little things like that

(01:35:18):
are questions the kids have. Sure, I had a ton
of those coming out when I got to the Cleveland Browns,
and I want to ask it didn't matter where you
get drafted, like you still are a green young kid
trying to figure out in a man's league. So having
those those sounding boards, if you will, they pay dividends
and we saw that last year for the Pistons Koolaid.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
How did that post go last night? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
It was awesome, man.

Speaker 9 (01:35:40):
The people absolutely supported six seven thousand views and a
whole rock of likes.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
So shout out to you people, and not smashed it
like butter for the show, but it was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
People.

Speaker 9 (01:35:51):
You hear people now using words like championship contenders, phrases
like championship contender with the Detroit Pistons fans now, I
don't know if you know, some of these fans have
been along for all of the ride for at least
this core. But you see people that believe that what
they're seeing right now is real and it's the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Why why wouldn't they believe in that? Why shouldn't they
use that word? Does that turn turn turn your back
a little bit? You know what?

Speaker 9 (01:36:17):
When I first heard I did a post game with
a fan at LCA maybe a week and a half ago,
two weeks ago, when he used that word, I was like,
all right, cool you calling it now? When I hear it,
and you look how things are going. You look at
the stats, it's like these guys are doing what top
tier teams do. They're playing on both ends of the court.
They're sharing the ball, they're touching the paint, and they're

(01:36:38):
going out there and playing all the way through their strengths,
not even to it. You know, they're going out there
and bludgeling teams in points in the paint. They're going
out there and you can't defend them in to pick
a roll k Kunam is the NBA's leading fourth quarter score.

Speaker 5 (01:36:50):
He's getting back to it. He's flashed in his rookie season.
So they have the they have all the ingredients, they
really do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Yeah, I agree with the East. Yeah, I think that's
that's fair. It's just the right observation. It doesn't take
anything away from what they've accomplished, right, but it is
a fair observation.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
When you say. One of the things that jumped down
me when you say is that I don't know if
they were a part of this journey the whole time,
like basically talking people that are just joining on at
this It is this similar to the Lions, where it's
does it matter? Doesn't matter? Because the Lions when they
started going to rise, I think the biggest conversation that
we had like they haven't given you anything to necessarily

(01:37:32):
stay the course over the past ten twelve years. So
like the newcomers, which I admit I was one of
the newcomers that come to the Lions, uh support, but
it's like y'all didn't give me anything support. The Pistons
have given fans absolutely nothing. So if you just kind
of joined on, like I'd say, it's cool, don't go
nowhere thought, don't don't do the back and forth. Don't

(01:37:52):
do one toe in and one toe out. If it
looks a little bad for the Pistons in January or something,
they take a slump, I knew they weren't for real.
They don't beat those Yeah, don't be that like. Yeah,
if you're coming on now, it's fine, we still have room.
But once you jump on this, I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Would guess most people jumped on it last year. To
Braylan's point, they gave him no reason to jump on
it two years ago. When you win fourteen games and
your best players sit in the final twenty plus games
or so, they gave you no reason. Right last year,
they give you a reason to watch. This year, they're
giving you a reason to leave.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Yeah, that part to.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
Believe, Yeah, to raise the level of expectation.

Speaker 9 (01:38:29):
And it's interesting because Trajon Landing, you talk about him,
I think it takes honest people, people who are not
trying to be the smartest in the room. He said, look,
these guys blew through expectations and they changed what we're
gonna do. That was that last year's trade deadline, and
going into this season, he said, I'm not putting limits
on these guys. If they believe they can do this,
then hey, let's go. What do we hear at media Day?

(01:38:50):
But Kay, when he said it, well here, we want
to win championships. I'm sitting there like this is just
media day stuff. But when you see them stepping out
there and actually, you know, putting foot to the path,
it's like, you know what, I can dig it. And
those people who are kind of whether they've been on
the path or not, it's almost as if they can
see clearly some things that people have been on the
past might be a little apprehensive to say because of

(01:39:13):
how down it's been for the last fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Yeah. What I like most last night with what Kay
Cunningham said was he was focused more on how they
didn't play well down the stretch. Okay, so instead of
getting caught up, hey we just tied a franchise record,
he's thinking, you know what, we can't win this way
if we keep.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Playing like that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:34):
Finished.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
To me, that's that's good leadership. That's somebody who's keeping
things real. Okay, that's a guy who gets it, and
I think that's important to know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
That's a number conversation that with Dan Campbell had what
was it after the Washington Commanders game. Yeah, and he
said he said, this isn't good enough, right, he said,
I mean this is this is good enough today. This
isn't good enough in terms of the plans that we
really have for ourselves. So that's that honesty level.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
And Detroit in the city, we talked about Kid cunning
He's he deserves to be in the MVP conversation without
a doubt. Okay, Brayla and I were talking before the
show today. I'm sure you guys didn't see this because
you guys were working last night. Denver beat Memphis. Not
a big deal, right, they've won three or four? Who cares?
Nikoli Jokic had seventeen points, he had ten rebounds on

(01:40:19):
sixteen assists. Yeah, he's got ten triple doubles on the year.

Speaker 5 (01:40:24):
Ten.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
He has ten in seventeen games.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
He started off the season like the first five games
triple doubles.

Speaker 9 (01:40:31):
I almost feel like that's as impressive as the pace
that U Miles Garrett is on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Okay, yeah, that's that's a good topic. Anyway, And how
did you know we were going there next? But anyway, here,
here's the Deal's pretty good. Here's the deal over there.
There's only one player who's reached ten triple doubles in
a season, Faster Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
Nope, Oh he said fast and fasters. No, it's probably
there was Oscar Oscar Robinson.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Oj.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Lastly, one more thing about Yo Kitchen. We're not gonna
make this about him, because we're gonna go to a
break and we're gonna talk about maybe America or NFL MVPs.
He's had fifteen assists five No, three times this year.
He's had fifteen assists or more three times this year.
The rest of the NBA put them all together, put
him in a pot.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Okay has two, has.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Five, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
If one dude's got three, the rest of the NBA
has got five.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
The thing I hate about this for Yogics is Jokic's
Jogics has done all right. Yogic's stat line for the
last five years has been so insane that now when
he does it, like no one's paying attention or no
one's really looking at it for what it is. Like
the stuff that Yogi is doing does not get discredited
because he does it all the time. Like the things
that he's doing, like you watch the game yesterday. Now

(01:41:47):
to the points. But that three point shot shot that
wasn't a half court shot, that was a shot, that
was an easy shot. Then he took made it, walked
to the bench like nothing happened. The dime that he
threw in the lane. Oh, he's legitimately looking at this.
He saw it coming the whole way. Drop Patrick Mahons,
Like it's getting to the point where he's one. He's
he's already entered dangerous territory. But now what will he

(01:42:10):
come up with next? What were his game evolved to?
Because we were talking before the show, it's much smoother
now he was doing this with the numbers he was having,
you know, the forty point games and the ten rebounds
and the tennis sis. But it was it was chopping,
it was big, it was yo kitchen, but he was
Now it's like, yeah, like he's looked, he's in shape,

(01:42:31):
like like the sound effect that was yokes because he's
fast enough before them.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
But it was rough. But the fluidity and the game
and the smoothest now that that's something different, Like where
does his where's his ceiling is? I think the question
that I'm trying to get to what's the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
It's a good question.

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
All these all these m vps, they come in, they go, oh,
they're here, and they do the thing, and then they
fall back a little bit and they stay in this lane.
He's getting better and better and better and adding more
and more and more to his game. Him with Miyama
the most interesting people in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
If I said to you how many triple doubles, I
think Victor Webbin Yama is unbelieved. I love watching that dude.
How many triple doubles do you think he has?

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
Yeah? Six?

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
How many Victor Webbin Yama? And I told you there's
ten by Jokic. Okay, so tell me how many webin
Yama has.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
I'm sticking with six.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
You're sticking with six?

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
Seven?

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Seven?

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Kool aid?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
How many? I mean you follow the sport as close
as anybody I know.

Speaker 5 (01:43:38):
Yeah, six or seven?

Speaker 13 (01:43:45):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
I guess the assists This is where he struggles.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
It's one the next closest. Did he have that with
blocks exactly? You won't even you would never guess who
the next in line for triple doubles is behind Jokics.
It's Josh Giddy he's got four.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
Yeah, I wouldn't guess that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
I wouldn't have guessed it either. I mean, that's that's real.
Russell Westbrook's got three. So there's your guys, all right. Yeah,
and the Bulls is that crazy?

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
The Bulls have cooled off, but Toronto's caught fire. They've
won eight in a row. Brandon Ingram has been he's
on a heater. Yeah, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
I was gonna say, like, Russell Westbrook is like almost forty.
I know, he's still getting tripleed.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Like we talked about, we talk about Lebron Jameson for
good reason, because he's an absolute freak. Russell Russell Westbrook.
I've always said this, and I've been fortunate to call
some games where he's played. The athleticism that he possesses
is stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
Second second to maybe one. Yeah as a point guard.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Yeah, let me think about who that Who that one
would be?

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
Okay, ands asterisk by that one because he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Really a point guard.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
No, no, he is.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Okay, all right, Bob Coosey, I don't know, we'll be back.
We're gonna we're gonna talk a little bit about the
MVP race or the MVP Offensive Player of the Year
in football.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
We're gonna do that.

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Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
Bet and gets a payback for ruining this season Michigan
or Aborn. They lost that game last year. Not from
the standpoint that Michigan was a better team than Auburn.
Auburn was a better team. From the standpoint Auburn gave
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(01:49:41):
game I've ever seen in my life and beat Michigan.
That was Juwan Howard's Michigan. That Auburn team. That's the
worst Auburn played all year, and we still lost that game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
But nonetheless, I don't think they'll lose here tonight in
Las Vegas, Cooley brought up something I thought was very topical.
Oh yeah, and that's Miles gar.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Coolie man.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Go running through the wall. Miles Garrett's got eighteen and
a half sacks, right, so he's closing in. I think
we talked about this yesterday twenty two and a half.
But Albaba Baker a twenty three and seventy eight. So
in Detroit, that's kind of let me spill that coffee
in Detroit, that's what we're gonna That's what we kind
of use as as a measuring state. Should he be
in the MVP conversation or Defensive Player of the Year,

(01:50:25):
for sure? But could he be in the MVP conversation?
And the other is Jackson Smith and Jigba has more
yards than five teams himself. Five teams. You know they're
starting wide receivers. Should should he be that? Should he?
Should he be in it? Considering you know, we've made

(01:50:46):
so much of Jonathan Taylor, Jamior Gibbson as of late,
James Cook has had a really underrated season. If people
wanted to look at an all purpose back.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
He can't even give him. He can do so much more,
which sounds crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Yeah, So how would you how do you look at
that when you see two borderline historic seasons from two
teams or from two players at positions that aren't generally
considered in the conversation for MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:51:17):
All right, this is how I feel about it. I'm
about to pull this out. Actually, can you give me
a favorite? Can you pull up San Francisco's remaining schedule
now as it relates to Miles Garrett. I'll start there.
As great as his season is, as great as it's
gonna be because he's gonna break the record. He'll probably
end up with twenty four. I think I'm gonna put
him at twenty four, maybe more like at the rate

(01:51:38):
he's in. But let's just say twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
That eighteen and the laws eleven yeah, one.

Speaker 4 (01:51:42):
Ever since, So twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
He'll have twenty five sacks. It'd be the greatest thing
we've ever seen on the defensive side of the ball.
It'll be amazing. But MVP me's most valuable player. Correct,
Miles Garret's performance will be most valuable for a team
that has three wins. So as much as his will
be amazing, you're MVP to a team that has done nothing. Unfortunately,

(01:52:05):
So like your win, your your twenty five sacks, as
great as it was, sup it did not contribute to
more wins. And that sucks for Miles Gear. And it's
not Miles Gear's fault at all that he has to
play for the Cleveland Robins. Maybe he is, he signed
a contract. But because of this, you can't be MVP.
This isn't back in the day like they value the wins,

(01:52:25):
they value where your team goes. They value your I
guess your skill on winning. So no, Christian McCaffrey, what
is the last five games of the cities that look
like for him?

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
For San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
They get at Cleveland, okay, Okay, that's gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
They're against Tennessee okay, they are at Indianapolis okay, and
they're against Chicago okay.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
He has three opportunities in games that don't necessarily matter,
three opportunities to put up some good stats. Now, Cleveland
will be tough, we've seen what they've done, we've seen
in person, but that offense is looking better, and make
something happen that Coats game. He's got to outperform Jonathan
Taylor like he had in terms of getting him in
the MVP, because if he goes a thousand and a thousand,

(01:53:12):
he might be at ten and ten touchdowns because he
might have ten, well he has ten now, but he
might be double digit receiving double digit rushing touchdowns. That's
something that Marshall didn't do. That's something that Roger Craig
didn't do. So now you ad that element you win
that Coats game, you need to win those other games.
I think now that puts him into a situation where
you can make a real, real legit case. The thing

(01:53:34):
that has to happen. He cannot leave that field having
been outplayed by Jonathan Taylor. It's kind of like the
Brock Purdy Lamar Jackson from two years ago. Whoever won
that game was gonna win MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
What about Smith and Jig. But here's who he has left.
He's home against Minnesota. Yeah, he's at Sam Darnld's going
to chew them up. At Atlanta, against the Colts, against
the Rams, at the Panthers, and at the Niners.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
He has a great opportunity to have some really good
games against some really good opponents and actually win some
of those games. The problem is they don't like the
wide receiver. So much has been made of the wide
receiver over the forty to fifty years, diva's selfish individual.
It doesn't help when you see individual still doing that
stuff like Jamar Cha is spitting on people lying about it,
like all the crash outs. It doesn't help the perception

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of the wide receiver. They will never give a wide
receiver the award because give the wide receiver the award,
that means you have to overlook the quarterback. So the
fact that the stigma is on the wide receiver as
a diva and if he goes out that has nineteen
hundred yards how many I mean yards of Sam Donald
have like the thing would the triple crown? Like for
as good as Cooper cup was, as good as Calvin was,

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as good as Jamar Chay's who still got all that credit.
Matt Stafford got that credit. Joe Burrow got that credit.
Matt Stafford got that credit. Damn he was in there twice.
So to your question, originally he should be in contention
because when you see some body operating like that ship
he's playing, he looks like one Dale Robinson did against us.
But he's doing that every single game. He's open, he's

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it's fluid. You see the one hand catch. Two weeks
ago you said this about him before he should be like,
but he never was.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
I think it was weak. Two you said that that
dude's a man. I mean it's from a wide receiver
to a wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
He'll never be. Anybody should be. They will never let
a wire Like if you can win a triple crown
on the Super Bowl winning team and you ain't win
an m v P, like, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
He won super Bowl mv PO. But that's that's a
little give.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
Hey, we'll give you Offensive Player of the Year too. Yeah,
it's funny that that started. It's funny that it started
after Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson wins the m v P
and then they shifted to all quarterbackacks.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
It's really too bad. All right, let's get to some
super chats because we've got literally just a handful of
minutes here.

Speaker 9 (01:55:52):
Definitely definitely shout out to the people for supporting. They
said it about five or six super chests today and
they've been hitting that light button. So first up here,
Michael Wherry sent in a couple. He has a number
two crown two dollars super chats. Have you seen the
Packery's injury lists? That the Packers injury list. They're pretty
banged up right now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Man, Oh, it's gonna say, yeah, we've seen it. They're
banged up. I would remind people, I think the Lions
have have had some issues too in that regard. So
if you're looking for a shoulder to cry on, you're
not finding it here.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
Green Bay is banged that. We talked about it. Ryan,
I mean not Ryan Tucker. Tucker Kraft has been out
he's the identity for that team. Josh Jacobs has been
in and out of the Lineup's like, yeah, they got
some injury. Secondary has Old hasn't really done what he's However,
that defense is still played the same way the entire season.
I'm not worried about these guys. I'm not worried about
the offense. I think our it is what it is.

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We need to worry about our offense. Our offense has
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
It's interesting they lose a guy like Tucker Craft and
he's so good. The Trout's lost Sam Laporta, and and
that hurts, right. The Trout's lost their starting left guard.
That has to hurt a little bit. Detroit has lost
plenty of players from their secondary. You know, that's what
happens this time of year. As far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
All Right, that's the good thing about the Lions having
those foundational pillars. Now you lose Tuck, you lose Sam Laporta,
and that sucks, and we've seen it two weeks in
a row. But you still got one of the best
wade receiving the league. I'm around Saint Brown and oh,
by the way, who's your running back there? Ain't no
questions at those two positions, all those couple drops here
in there, and then you have James. So like you
lose Sam and had it, they lost Tucker and they

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still trying to figure out who their first wide receiver is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
I'm gonna talk to you tomorrow. We're gonna talk tomorrow
about how can they get Jamison Williams and Isaac Teslaw
more involved because I'll remind people about what you say
all the time. Tesla and Laporta are the two guys
you don't know you need windows for they can go
up and win them.

Speaker 4 (01:57:45):
And talked about this. So they asked Dan Campbell about
Isaac Tesla. Did you hear that?

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
I did?

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
I didn't like the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
I didn't like it either, But we're gonna talk about
it tomorrow. Okay, go ahead, one.

Speaker 9 (01:57:54):
More, Michael Werry another way, since the only running back
Campbell that mattered, the only other one that mattered was
Harris and I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:58:01):
Rocky Blier Frank you guys conversation, he did it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
And he made it in a different way.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Who would be the best players like franchise, It would
be Harrison like Bettis. Yeah, right, is what I'm referring to.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
And Christian McCaffrey and like Frank Gore.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Yeah, or Roger Craig eras, Yeah, but he played for
a ton of teams.

Speaker 9 (01:58:25):
Another one go ahead, Yeah, Randall Small's two dollars super
chat has the number three crown.

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
Shout to our guy Randall.

Speaker 9 (01:58:31):
He says Barry was dynamic, but Jamiir Gibbs is efficient,
going back to the Gamir, the Jamiir Gibbs verse Barry Sanders,
that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
That's a fair description. Ye, ones an all time great too.

Speaker 9 (01:58:42):
Yeah, Kenny powers with the two dollars super chas, we
got two more super chess left here.

Speaker 5 (01:58:47):
He says, NFL m v P is nine and it's
not even close. He balling.

Speaker 9 (01:58:51):
I hope he's not talking about Uh, I saw what
I said nine, I saw kind of whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
My my taking step back. Yeah, and then you go
thirty and two is in thirty touchdowns and two picks,
you go twenty five and zero over in eight game span.
We brought up the Smith and Jibb possible history and
the obviously the Miles Garrett history. It's all part of it.
It's good and possibly Christian McCaffrey Stafford's doing some historic

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stuff too. So that's the fun one of the many
fun things about the football season this year.

Speaker 9 (01:59:24):
Go ahead, and the last one at the buzzer comes
from our guy Dante.

Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
One to five to one. He has the number one
crown today for ninety nine. Super sad. He says, to
start the year, I said fifty plus wins for the Pistons.

Speaker 9 (01:59:34):
Now I can see them get to sixty plus wins
and top three Eastern Conference playoff team.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
Top three with sixty wins, Yeah again, number two.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
Last year was with sixty four for Cleveland. Yeah, yeah,
you get to sixty wins. I think you're one or two.
I don't know who's gonna challenge them. Cleveland's gonna get better, Okay, Yeah,
Cleveland's gonna get better. Toronto's playing good ball right now.
I think what you're what you're seeing. To a certain extent,
you seem like maybe just a couple of teams, few

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teams and then everybody else.

Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
This is gonna be a very interesting trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
This ship it is, and it'll be fun to talk about.
I know you'll be talking about it. We're gonna talk
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