August 5, 2025 • 12 mins
Reid Carter tracks three horrific manhunts across America. In Montana, decorated Army veteran Michael Paul Brown is on the run after allegedly executing four people at his local bar, including a retired cancer nurse just starting retirement. In Tennessee, the search intensifies for Austin Drummond, who allegedly murdered an entire family but left baby Weslynne alive on a stranger's lawn – plus two arrests of his accomplices. And in Georgia, former Navy lawyer Nicholas Kassotis stands trial for allegedly dismembering his wife Mindi into four pieces while owing $1.5 million to his ex. Three monsters, nine victims, zero mercy.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Callaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Read Carter, and welcome
to Celebrity Trials. Before we dive into today's fresh hell
of violence and depravity, a quick update on the Menendez brothers.
Eric Menendez is back in prison after his hospital stay
(00:25):
last month. Turns out it was kidney stones multiple surgeries
to remove them. He's back at Richard J. Donovan Correctional
Facility and his parole hearing is still set for August
twenty First, that's just over two weeks away, folks, after
thirty five years behind bars, freedom is that close. But
enough about the Menendez saga. We spent the weekend on that.
(00:47):
Today we've got manhunts across multiple states and killers who
make the Menendez brothers look like choir boys. The Montana massacre.
Let's start in Montana, where a decorated Army veteran allegedly
walked into his local bar and executed four innocent people
for absolutely no reason anyone can figure out. Michael Paul Brown,
(01:11):
forty four years old, is still on the run after
allegedly opening fire at the Owl Bar in Anaconda, Montana,
on Friday morning. And when I say his local bar,
I mean it literally, this psycho lived next door to
the place. He knew every single person he allegedly shot.
The victims. Let me tell you who this monster allegedly killed.
(01:32):
Daniel Bailey fifty nine, Nancy Kelly sixty four, a retired
nurse who'd spent her entire career caring for cancer patients.
David Leech seventy, Tony Palm seventy four. Four people just
trying to have a drink on a Friday morning in
small town, Montana, and according to the bar owner, Brown
didn't have any beef with any of them. He just snapped.
(01:55):
Here's what we know. Around ten thirty am Friday, Brown
allegedly walked into the Owl Bar with a rifle and
started shooting. Security footage shows him fleeing the scene. And
get this, he was last seen running around in his underwear.
That's right, folks, This trained army veteran who served in
a rock as now playing Rambo in his tidy whities
in the Montana wilderness. The manhunt is massive. We're talking
(02:19):
two hundred and fifty boots on the ground, helicopters, dogs,
federal agents. They found his white Ford F one fifty,
but no Brown and here's the problem. This guy knows
the terrain. He served in the Army from two thousand
and one to two thousand and five, did a tour
in Iraq, then joined the Montana National Guard until two
(02:40):
thousand and nine. He left as a sergeant. His niece,
Claire Boyle, says he came back from the military very
sick and wasn't the same after his service. She says
his mental health deteriorated even more after his parents died.
But here's what kills me. She also talks about happy
memories of fishing with him and learning to write a bike.
(03:00):
You know what, I don't care about the happy memories.
I don't care that he struggled with PTSD. Four innocent
people are dead. Nancy Kelly had just started her retirement
after a lifetime of helping cancer patients, and now she's
gone because some guy who couldn't handle his demons decided
to take it out on a bar full of people
who'd probably bought him drinks over the years. The bar
(03:22):
owner says Brown was a regular, but wasn't part of
the camaraderie. Translation, he was the weird guy who drank
alone and made everyone uncomfortable and Friday morning, that weird
guy became a mass murderer. They're searching the Beaverhead Deer
Lodge National Forest and local fire Forman Dan Haffey says,
there are a thousand places to hide on that mountain. Great,
(03:46):
just great. A trained military veteran with mental health issues
and a rifle loose in five thousand acres of wilderness.
Here's my prediction. They'll find him dead from a self
inflicted gunshot. These cowards always take the easy way out
rather than fake what they've done. But until then, everyone
in western Montana better lock their doors and stay alert.
(04:08):
The Tennessee terror. Speaking of manhunts, let's head to Tennessee,
where the search for Austin Robert Drummond just got more interesting.
This twenty eight year old piece of garbage is wanted
for murdering four family members, but at least he had
the decency to leave the baby alive. On Tuesday, someone
dropped off a seven month old infant in a car
(04:30):
seat on a stranger's lawn in Tigret, Tennessee, just left
the baby there like an Amazon package. When investigators started
looking for the baby's family, they found four bodies in
the woods about forty miles away. The victims James Wilson
twenty one, the baby's father, Adriana Williams twenty the baby's mother,
Courtney Rose thirty eight, Adrianna's mother, Braden Williams fifteen, Adrianna's brother.
(04:56):
Four generations of a family wiped out. The baby wes
Lynn Wilson is now an orphan because Austin Drummond allegedly
decided to execute her entire family. But here's where it
gets really interesting. Drummond didn't do this alone. Police have
now arrested two of his buddies, to knock A Brown
twenty nine and Giovante Thomas twenty nine. They're charged with
(05:20):
being accessories after the fact, which means they helped this
monster after he killed four people. Brown's also charged with
tampering with evidence. And get this, Drummond has a history.
In twenty thirteen, when he was just a teenager, he
robbed a gas station with what turned out to be
a bb gun, got forty four dollars. That's it, forty
(05:42):
four dollars. He was so high on xanax he claims
he doesn't even remember doing it. But wait, it gets better.
After the jury convicted him he threatened to go after
the jurors threatened the people who were just doing their
civic duty, so they hit him with thirteen counts of retaliation.
This genius turned to a sinsimple robbery into a thirteen
year prison sentence. While in prison, he racked up more
(06:05):
than two dozen disciplinary issues, weapons possession, assault, gang activity.
The district attorney called him a dangerous felony offender and
a confirmed member of the vice Lords. He got out
in September twenty twenty four. Less than a year later,
four people are dead. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation says
this was a targeted attack. Drummond knew the victims, but
(06:28):
they won't tell us how he killed them or why
a baby ended up forty miles away from her murdered family.
They found his car, a white twenty sixteen OUTI abandoned
in Jackson, Tennessee. He's still out there somewhere, and officials
are warning he should be considered armed and extremely dangerous.
There's a fifteen thousand dollars reward for information leading to
(06:49):
his arrest. You know what infuriates me. This guy had
every chance to turn his life around. He served his time,
got out and less than a year later, he's allegedly
murdered entire families. Some people just can't be rehabilitated. Some
people are just evil. Back in a moment, Welcome back
(07:16):
to celebrity trials. I'm Red Carter, and we're closing today
with a case that makes me wonder if there's something
in the water that turns people into monsters. Nicholas Casotis,
or as he also goes by, Nicholas Killian James Stark,
is on trial in Georgia for allegedly murdering and dismembering
his wife Mindy and folks. When I say dismembering, I
(07:38):
mean he allegedly cut her into four pieces with tool
marks on the remains. This former Navy JAG officer that's
Judge Advocate general, a military lawyer, allegedly killed his wife
in November twenty twenty two, cut her up and scattered
her remains across two hunting properties in Liberty and Macintosh Counties.
Hunters found her on December second, in PA, three miles apart.
(08:02):
It took months to identify her. The GBI had to
use genealogy DNA testing, the same technology that catches serial killers.
Just to figure out who she was. They finally identified
Mindy Cassotis on May eleventh, twenty twenty three, and arrested
Nicholas the next day in Pennsylvania. But here's where this
case goes from horrific to absolutely insane. The prosecution says
(08:27):
the motive was money. Nicholas owed his ex wife one
point five million dollars from a divorce judgment, and he
and Mindy were on the run to avoid paying it.
The defense, Oh, the defense has a doozy. They claimed
the couple wasn't running from a divorce judgment, they were
running from a mysterious figure named Jim McIntyre who controlled
(08:47):
their finances. The prosecution calls this a CIA conspiracy theory
type argument. Are you kidding me? Your defense for dismembering
your wife is that a shadowy figure named Jim McIntyre
made you do it? What is this a Jason Bourne movie?
But wait, it gets worse. Prosecutors want to introduce a
(09:10):
target receipt as evidence. What did Nicholas buy on his
way to meet his third wife just days after Mindy's death?
Condoms and old spice, let me repeat that his wife
is in pieces in the woods. And this guy's buying
protection and cologne to go hook up with wife number three.
The defense attorney actually said in court, I don't know
(09:32):
the relevance of mister Casotis buying condoms and old spice. Really,
you don't see the relevance of your client immediately moving
on to another woman while his current wife is decomposing.
In the Georgia Wilderness District, attorney Lori Bio warned the
court that this case is incredibly gruesome in a way
that I believe will create additional trauma. She's planning to
(09:53):
call at least thirty five witnesses over a two to
three week trial that started yesterday with jury selection. And
here's what really gets that's me. Nicholas Cassotis was a
Navy lawyer. He took an oath to defend this country
and uphold the law. Instead, he allegedly became the kind
of monster he should have been prosecuting. Mindy Cassotis was
forty years old. She was a writer and business owner.
(10:14):
She had her whole life ahead of her, and now
she's gone because she had the misfortune of marrying a
man who allegedly thought cutting her into pieces was easier
than paying a divorce settlement. You know what all three
of today's cases have in common, men who thought violence
was the answer to their problems. Michael Brown couldn't handle
(10:37):
his PTSD, so he allegedly shot up a bar. Austin
Drummond was a career criminal who graduated from robbing gas
stations to allegedly murdering families, and Nicholas Cassotis allegedly decided
dismemberment was preferable to paying his debts. Four people dead
in Montana, four people dead in Tennessee, one woman in
pieces in Georgia. That's nine lives lost because three men
(10:59):
chose violence over getting help, serving time peacefully, or paying
what they owed. And you know what's really terrifying. Michael
Brown is still out there in the Montana wilderness. Austin
Drummond is still on the run somewhere. These aren't crimes
of passion that end with immediate arrests. These are calculated
killers who plan their escapes. To the families of Daniel Bailey,
(11:20):
Nancy Kelly, David Leech, and Tony Palm and Montana, I'm
sorry your loved ones were in the wrong place when
a disturbed veteran decided to snap to baby Westland Wilson
in Tennessee, I'm sorry you'll grow up without parents, without
a grandmother, without an uncle because Austin Drummond allegedly decided
your family had to die. And to Mindy Casotis's family,
(11:42):
I'm sorry she married a monster who valued avoiding debt
over her life. Tomorrow, we're diving into a Hollywood cold
case that's suddenly hot again, plus updates on the Delphi
murder trial that's got Indiana on edge. Because the violence
never stops, and neither do we. I'm read Carter with
celebrity trials. Lock your doors, background, check your dates, and
(12:05):
remember some people walking around free right now have already
chosen their next victim. Don't let it be you. Justice
isn't always fast, but it's always necessary, even when it
feels like it's not enough. See you tomorrow,
Callaroga Shark Media. Good morning, I'm Read Carter, and welcome
to Celebrity Trials. Before we dive into today's fresh hell
of violence and depravity, a quick update on the Menendez brothers.
Eric Menendez is back in prison after his hospital stay
(00:25):
last month. Turns out it was kidney stones multiple surgeries
to remove them. He's back at Richard J. Donovan Correctional
Facility and his parole hearing is still set for August
twenty First, that's just over two weeks away, folks, after
thirty five years behind bars, freedom is that close. But
enough about the Menendez saga. We spent the weekend on that.
(00:47):
Today we've got manhunts across multiple states and killers who
make the Menendez brothers look like choir boys. The Montana massacre.
Let's start in Montana, where a decorated Army veteran allegedly
walked into his local bar and executed four innocent people
for absolutely no reason anyone can figure out. Michael Paul Brown,
(01:11):
forty four years old, is still on the run after
allegedly opening fire at the Owl Bar in Anaconda, Montana,
on Friday morning. And when I say his local bar,
I mean it literally, this psycho lived next door to
the place. He knew every single person he allegedly shot.
The victims. Let me tell you who this monster allegedly killed.
(01:32):
Daniel Bailey fifty nine, Nancy Kelly sixty four, a retired
nurse who'd spent her entire career caring for cancer patients.
David Leech seventy, Tony Palm seventy four. Four people just
trying to have a drink on a Friday morning in
small town, Montana, and according to the bar owner, Brown
didn't have any beef with any of them. He just snapped.
(01:55):
Here's what we know. Around ten thirty am Friday, Brown
allegedly walked into the Owl Bar with a rifle and
started shooting. Security footage shows him fleeing the scene. And
get this, he was last seen running around in his underwear.
That's right, folks, This trained army veteran who served in
a rock as now playing Rambo in his tidy whities
in the Montana wilderness. The manhunt is massive. We're talking
(02:19):
two hundred and fifty boots on the ground, helicopters, dogs,
federal agents. They found his white Ford F one fifty,
but no Brown and here's the problem. This guy knows
the terrain. He served in the Army from two thousand
and one to two thousand and five, did a tour
in Iraq, then joined the Montana National Guard until two
(02:40):
thousand and nine. He left as a sergeant. His niece,
Claire Boyle, says he came back from the military very
sick and wasn't the same after his service. She says
his mental health deteriorated even more after his parents died.
But here's what kills me. She also talks about happy
memories of fishing with him and learning to write a bike.
(03:00):
You know what, I don't care about the happy memories.
I don't care that he struggled with PTSD. Four innocent
people are dead. Nancy Kelly had just started her retirement
after a lifetime of helping cancer patients, and now she's
gone because some guy who couldn't handle his demons decided
to take it out on a bar full of people
who'd probably bought him drinks over the years. The bar
(03:22):
owner says Brown was a regular, but wasn't part of
the camaraderie. Translation, he was the weird guy who drank
alone and made everyone uncomfortable and Friday morning, that weird
guy became a mass murderer. They're searching the Beaverhead Deer
Lodge National Forest and local fire Forman Dan Haffey says,
there are a thousand places to hide on that mountain. Great,
(03:46):
just great. A trained military veteran with mental health issues
and a rifle loose in five thousand acres of wilderness.
Here's my prediction. They'll find him dead from a self
inflicted gunshot. These cowards always take the easy way out
rather than fake what they've done. But until then, everyone
in western Montana better lock their doors and stay alert.
(04:08):
The Tennessee terror. Speaking of manhunts, let's head to Tennessee,
where the search for Austin Robert Drummond just got more interesting.
This twenty eight year old piece of garbage is wanted
for murdering four family members, but at least he had
the decency to leave the baby alive. On Tuesday, someone
dropped off a seven month old infant in a car
(04:30):
seat on a stranger's lawn in Tigret, Tennessee, just left
the baby there like an Amazon package. When investigators started
looking for the baby's family, they found four bodies in
the woods about forty miles away. The victims James Wilson
twenty one, the baby's father, Adriana Williams twenty the baby's mother,
Courtney Rose thirty eight, Adrianna's mother, Braden Williams fifteen, Adrianna's brother.
(04:56):
Four generations of a family wiped out. The baby wes
Lynn Wilson is now an orphan because Austin Drummond allegedly
decided to execute her entire family. But here's where it
gets really interesting. Drummond didn't do this alone. Police have
now arrested two of his buddies, to knock A Brown
twenty nine and Giovante Thomas twenty nine. They're charged with
(05:20):
being accessories after the fact, which means they helped this
monster after he killed four people. Brown's also charged with
tampering with evidence. And get this, Drummond has a history.
In twenty thirteen, when he was just a teenager, he
robbed a gas station with what turned out to be
a bb gun, got forty four dollars. That's it, forty
(05:42):
four dollars. He was so high on xanax he claims
he doesn't even remember doing it. But wait, it gets better.
After the jury convicted him he threatened to go after
the jurors threatened the people who were just doing their
civic duty, so they hit him with thirteen counts of retaliation.
This genius turned to a sinsimple robbery into a thirteen
year prison sentence. While in prison, he racked up more
(06:05):
than two dozen disciplinary issues, weapons possession, assault, gang activity.
The district attorney called him a dangerous felony offender and
a confirmed member of the vice Lords. He got out
in September twenty twenty four. Less than a year later,
four people are dead. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation says
this was a targeted attack. Drummond knew the victims, but
(06:28):
they won't tell us how he killed them or why
a baby ended up forty miles away from her murdered family.
They found his car, a white twenty sixteen OUTI abandoned
in Jackson, Tennessee. He's still out there somewhere, and officials
are warning he should be considered armed and extremely dangerous.
There's a fifteen thousand dollars reward for information leading to
(06:49):
his arrest. You know what infuriates me. This guy had
every chance to turn his life around. He served his time,
got out and less than a year later, he's allegedly
murdered entire families. Some people just can't be rehabilitated. Some
people are just evil. Back in a moment, Welcome back
(07:16):
to celebrity trials. I'm Red Carter, and we're closing today
with a case that makes me wonder if there's something
in the water that turns people into monsters. Nicholas Casotis,
or as he also goes by, Nicholas Killian James Stark,
is on trial in Georgia for allegedly murdering and dismembering
his wife Mindy and folks. When I say dismembering, I
(07:38):
mean he allegedly cut her into four pieces with tool
marks on the remains. This former Navy JAG officer that's
Judge Advocate general, a military lawyer, allegedly killed his wife
in November twenty twenty two, cut her up and scattered
her remains across two hunting properties in Liberty and Macintosh Counties.
Hunters found her on December second, in PA, three miles apart.
(08:02):
It took months to identify her. The GBI had to
use genealogy DNA testing, the same technology that catches serial killers.
Just to figure out who she was. They finally identified
Mindy Cassotis on May eleventh, twenty twenty three, and arrested
Nicholas the next day in Pennsylvania. But here's where this
case goes from horrific to absolutely insane. The prosecution says
(08:27):
the motive was money. Nicholas owed his ex wife one
point five million dollars from a divorce judgment, and he
and Mindy were on the run to avoid paying it.
The defense, Oh, the defense has a doozy. They claimed
the couple wasn't running from a divorce judgment, they were
running from a mysterious figure named Jim McIntyre who controlled
(08:47):
their finances. The prosecution calls this a CIA conspiracy theory
type argument. Are you kidding me? Your defense for dismembering
your wife is that a shadowy figure named Jim McIntyre
made you do it? What is this a Jason Bourne movie?
But wait, it gets worse. Prosecutors want to introduce a
(09:10):
target receipt as evidence. What did Nicholas buy on his
way to meet his third wife just days after Mindy's death?
Condoms and old spice, let me repeat that his wife
is in pieces in the woods. And this guy's buying
protection and cologne to go hook up with wife number three.
The defense attorney actually said in court, I don't know
(09:32):
the relevance of mister Casotis buying condoms and old spice. Really,
you don't see the relevance of your client immediately moving
on to another woman while his current wife is decomposing.
In the Georgia Wilderness District, attorney Lori Bio warned the
court that this case is incredibly gruesome in a way
that I believe will create additional trauma. She's planning to
(09:53):
call at least thirty five witnesses over a two to
three week trial that started yesterday with jury selection. And
here's what really gets that's me. Nicholas Cassotis was a
Navy lawyer. He took an oath to defend this country
and uphold the law. Instead, he allegedly became the kind
of monster he should have been prosecuting. Mindy Cassotis was
forty years old. She was a writer and business owner.
(10:14):
She had her whole life ahead of her, and now
she's gone because she had the misfortune of marrying a
man who allegedly thought cutting her into pieces was easier
than paying a divorce settlement. You know what all three
of today's cases have in common, men who thought violence
was the answer to their problems. Michael Brown couldn't handle
(10:37):
his PTSD, so he allegedly shot up a bar. Austin
Drummond was a career criminal who graduated from robbing gas
stations to allegedly murdering families, and Nicholas Cassotis allegedly decided
dismemberment was preferable to paying his debts. Four people dead
in Montana, four people dead in Tennessee, one woman in
pieces in Georgia. That's nine lives lost because three men
(10:59):
chose violence over getting help, serving time peacefully, or paying
what they owed. And you know what's really terrifying. Michael
Brown is still out there in the Montana wilderness. Austin
Drummond is still on the run somewhere. These aren't crimes
of passion that end with immediate arrests. These are calculated
killers who plan their escapes. To the families of Daniel Bailey,
(11:20):
Nancy Kelly, David Leech, and Tony Palm and Montana, I'm
sorry your loved ones were in the wrong place when
a disturbed veteran decided to snap to baby Westland Wilson
in Tennessee, I'm sorry you'll grow up without parents, without
a grandmother, without an uncle because Austin Drummond allegedly decided
your family had to die. And to Mindy Casotis's family,
(11:42):
I'm sorry she married a monster who valued avoiding debt
over her life. Tomorrow, we're diving into a Hollywood cold
case that's suddenly hot again, plus updates on the Delphi
murder trial that's got Indiana on edge. Because the violence
never stops, and neither do we. I'm read Carter with
celebrity trials. Lock your doors, background, check your dates, and
(12:05):
remember some people walking around free right now have already
chosen their next victim. Don't let it be you. Justice
isn't always fast, but it's always necessary, even when it
feels like it's not enough. See you tomorrow,
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