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March 30, 2026 15 mins
Nebraska's one and only astronaut Clayton Anderson joins the show to give some insight about NASA's newest adventure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm kind of surprised that this is not getting as
much media play as I think it should. But the
United States is headed back to the Moon. I think
next week they'll be launching a team of astronauts to
go or go around the Moon and zoom right back in.
So obviously, if we want to learn anything about it,

(00:22):
let's talk to an astronaut joining us right now. Clayton Anderson.
He is known as astro Clay and he's my friend
and I like him.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
So, Hey, Clay, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm good, Chris, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Fantastic?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm very excited about this trip around the Moon, the
first trip in fifty four years. But I got a
lot of questions.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Okay, I figured you might that's right.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I called you.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, I want the audience to I mean, as I
remember when I was a kid and we went to
the Moon. It was almost like a slingshot thing where
they were supposed to go around the Moon and then
sling shot back to the Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
And then people who.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Say that landing on the Moon never happened said that
it would be impossible to get a ship up there
because they had to go through I can't remember what
they called it was some scary part of space.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Does any of this make sense to you, by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, I'm gonna guess they're talking about the Van Allen
radiation bell exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's it as.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
The scary part. The slingshot deal though, that's orbital mechanics.
That's what I learned that I always stay a university
in my trajectory dynamics class that what you can do
is when you go around a planet or a space
body like the Moon, you can use the gravitational pull
of that planet to kind of sling you in the

(01:59):
direct that you want to go. So in the Apollo days,
it was called a free return trajectory, and that's why
it looks like a figure eight in that if you
were to head out to the Moon and something were
to go wrong, you're on a trajectory such that the
gravitational pull of the Moon would help you swing back
and be put on the trajectory to head you back

(02:21):
to Earth. So that's where all that stuff comes from.
But it's very scientific, typically based, and I'm not smart
enough anymore to understand.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh, bull, don't tell me that your astro clay, for
goodness sake, So take take us through the selection process
and the training for a mission.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Like this, well this one. You know, selections, So once
you're an astronaut, you're in the astronaut core. You're watched
pretty closely by everybody, and they look and see what
your skills, your strengths, and your weaknesses are. You know
how they picked this crew, honestly, I don't know. I

(03:03):
know that they wanted to pick an international person, which
is Jeremy Hansen from Canada. He's a solid human. They
wanted to have the first female to go to the Moon,
and that's Christina Cooke. They wanted the first person of
color and that's Victor Glover. And then Read Wiseman is
the commander, and he used to be the head of

(03:23):
the Astronaut Office and oftentimes to the head of the
Astronaut Office. When they depart from that job, they get
a prime assignment. So I'm guessing this might be a
reward for him to be the commander of this mission.
But you know, that's a very diverse crew. You know,
we always called it kind of a black box of selection.

(03:44):
Nobody really knew how it went, at least I certainly didn't.
But they're all very talented and very capable. And then
the training for these guys is a lot more unique
than it was when I flew because this is all new.
The space capsules new, the rocket's new. Going back to
the Moon is essentially new for people of their age

(04:08):
and their time, right, So they did a lot of training,
a lot of simulations, and a lot of learning about
new equipment and systems.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
So it's going to be really exciting for them.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I just don't know. I would love to be in
their shoes, but I would really want to go on
the surface of the Moon. I wouldn't want to just
drive by and wave. I want to go down there.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, yeah, see that. You know it's funny.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Fifty four years ago, as a little kid, I thought, well,
what's a big deal. You're going up there, you go
around the Moon, and then you come back. You don't
get to hang out. And I agree with you one
hundred percent. I'd want to go back. My guess is
somewhere somewhere down the road they'll be able. I think
that they'll eventually go back and jump on the Moon.

(04:56):
How long does this trip take?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, this mission, I believe is about a ten day mission.
They will launch from Kennedy Space center, and then they'll
go into a big elliptical orbit that will take them
give them twenty four hours to circle the Earth. And
the reason why they want that twenty four hours versus
a typical ninety minute shuttle or space station orbit is

(05:22):
that they have a lot of systems they need to test.
They need to test the toilet and the exercise thing,
and the air conditioning, and is the oxygen flowing and
are we getting rid of all the carbon dioxide? All
those things that involve humans, all those systems that humans
need to stay alive. They need to have time to
test that sort of thing. And they're also going to

(05:42):
do a little bit of a I guess a rendezvous,
and they're not going to dock, but they're going to
rendezvous with one of the pieces of the rocket that
they don't need anymore, so they can prove to themselves
that the capsule can do those things and get a
feel for how the car drives before they head off
with the burn that's going to push them to the Moon.
And then that burned. Then now they're on a camping trip,

(06:03):
right They're in their little recreational vehicle until they get
close enough to the moon and they're going to take
hundreds of thousands of pictures. Probably they're going to test
systems when they get close to the Moon and then
make sure they're on the proper trajectory and all that
to get home. And this mission is just like Apollo
eight was for the Apollo eleven guys that landed on

(06:26):
the Moon. It's a test mission to test out all
the systems to make sure that humans can survive this.
And then this is Artemis two. So Artemis three then
will stay in low Earth orbit and practice rendevus and
docking techniques with a SpaceX vehicle and a Blue Origin vehicle.
And then Artemis four then will be the one that

(06:46):
actually goes I guess to the surface of the Moon.
So that's all over the next two or three or
four years. So it's a very exciting time.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Cool again, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So when these guys the phrase they're flying, they're you know,
they're flying, They're they're doing these things. How much can
you control uh that that spaceship I guess I'll use
that term, Uh, how how much can you control that
and control the way that it flies and where it flies?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well, the the guidance, navigation, and control they call it
GN and C is quite sophisticated these days, and so
they the computers can point to spacecraft on the trajectory
they need, and then they're able to uh, stay on
that line, if you will, by using small thrusters that
make sure they're going in the right direction, the right attitude,

(07:44):
the right velocity, all those sort of things. But almost
all of that's going to be computer controlled, and then
the crew monitors and the system will tell them that
there's an issue. Hey, hey, hey, guys, we've got to
go left a little bit right, and they'll adjust. The
bigger engines are what will.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Push them initially to on the way to.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
The Moon and then when they're coming back to Earth.
So think of a coke can that you shake up
and then you pop the top right and it squirts
all that stuff out, right. That's kind of how an
engine works in space. It gives you a nice push
of thrust and then you coast for a while.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And on that coasting you're using the littler jets.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
That really don't have.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
A whole lot of ability except to keep you along
the right line. And so, you know, if we're thinking
about going to Mars, down the road. You need that
coke can to be able to spit out your soda
constantly so that you can accelerate and you can continue
to increase your speed rather than just push it in
coast and push it in coast. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense to me. That's unbelievable.
Clayton Anderson, astro clay Nebraska's only ever astronaut, on the
phone with us here. So you know, I hate like
my wife and I want to go to Ireland, but
I don't want to sit on an airplane for ten hours.

(09:08):
That'll drive me insane. How do you guys do it?
I mean, what is it? Is it just something about
you and others that are astronauts that you can stay
cramped up in a little space there or I mean,
I I don't know how you do it?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yes, Chris, we are a special individual.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Hollywood, But I mean, I don't I just don't see how.
I don't see how you do it. Man, But I'm crazy.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, I think that's a great question, right, And honestly
I don't know the answer, but I can speculate that
when I was on the Shuttle, it's it's not quite
as cramped as these guys are going to be but
you're so focused on your tasks. You're so focused on
the mission and the objectives you have to accomplish. And

(10:07):
I always.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Felt that even though when I rode up on.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
The two Shuttle flights that I flew on, I was
on the mid deck. I didn't have a lot of
responsibility early in the mission during the lift off, but
I had some responsibility, and so I.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Was always focused on what do I have to do?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
When do I have to do it? And I have
to do it perfectly because I don't want to be
that guy but messes something up, Because if you're that
guy that messes something up, that means the next person
has to deal with what you messed up, and pretty
soon that whole timeline starts to get a little hinky.
And I didn't want to be that guy, so I
was always focused. I was always listening, and of course

(10:44):
you're trained to hear things and understand where you are
in the lift off sequence or the trajectory sequence, and
so you're always focused on doing the next thing correctly.
And maybe that's what takes your breaking off of that,
you know, being in an airplane and just sitting there
in the chair and you look around, you go, what

(11:05):
should I do next? And I watch another movie already
saw that one your book, because I'll fall asleep. Do
I need to go to the bathroom?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, but there's a line three people along, you.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Know, So you got there's not much in that that
you have to focus on in that. But if you
were in the cockpit per se, and you were dealing
with an engine failure, or you were dealing with an
APU failure or something, and you were focused on your
flight plan and looking at procedures, right, it's easier to
deal with that scenario, right, that cramped environment. And that's

(11:38):
my answer, and I'm sticking.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
That's a that's a great answer. So all right, I'm
running out of time here. But here's another question. I
want to ask. How long did it take for you
to to learn how to sleep on the You know,
you're in space and all that, and I just wonder,

(11:59):
I don't even know. Hell, I can't, Clayton, I can't
even sleep if I spend the night at a relative's house.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm just all out a joint, you know. But how
about you?

Speaker 1 (12:11):
How did it did it take you a while to
adjust to sleeping in space.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I think it took about a week on the shuttle.
The first day, the first night I had to sleep,
we were told to bring a book and read your
book and be quiet, and that's what the commander said,
and that worked pretty well, except you know, you're so
excited that it was very hard for me to sleep
the first couple of nights. When I we docked and
I transferred to the space station into my sleep quarters,

(12:40):
it got easier relatively quickly. Your brain figures it out
really fast, which is amazing to me. And so you're
floating in space and you're sleeping bag, and my brain
told me by feeling pressure on my spine that I
was laying in a bed. I mean, it's the most
amazing thing. I could feel mentally, the pressure all along

(13:03):
my spine, even though I was floating in zero G
in my sleeping bag. It was incredible. And then after
that I slept great. I think I averaged seven hours
and twenty minutes to sleep every night, which is probably
more than I get on Earth.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Wow, And are you are you upright? Or can you
even tell if you're upright?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I was upright. My sleeping bag was against the wall,
tied at four corners, and so my feet were toward
the quote unquote floor, my head up. But I could
have slept upside down. I could have supped sideways. You
can tell because on the space station they put the
lights at the top of the module and they put
the outlets the plugs at the bottom of the module,

(13:46):
trying to give you that sense of hey, you're on Earth,
you're at home. So I just slept that way just
because it was easiest. And the air conditioning vent I
had blew over my face, so that was good.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Oh wow, that's all you know, speaking of the air conditioning.
When you were on the space station, did you ever
battle over the thermostat.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
And it was a female that came in and said
it was way too cold?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Of course, of course that's hysterical. Oh what a riot, Hey, Clayton, Thanks, yeah,
I'll see. Well yeah, well I was going to ask
you if you were up there with women, and then
I would have had the answer to my thermostat question
without even asking it. That's funny, all right, clay Hey,

(14:42):
thanks for your time today. Thanks for giving us a
glimpse into that amazing world that you've been a part of.
I really respect it and.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Thanks. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm very blessed. Thanks for having me on Chris.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
There he is Clayton Anderson here, Nebraska astronaut on the
Chris Bakers Show.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Boy. That see, that's the whole thing about that. Just wow.
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