September 18, 2023 • 45 mins
Six blackmail victims are invited to an isolated mansion by a man who knows a dark secret from each of their pasts. On arrival, each is given a pseudonym drawn from Cluedo before being introduced to the blackmailer. Each is handed a weapon, at which point the lights are switched off and the blackmailer is killed. Can the guests uncover the murderer before they all become victims? Brad Gilmore and Jeff Smith have a lot in common. Both are huge fans of the 1985 movie Clue, and both have made significant contributions to the film's legacy. Brad is the author of Back from the Future: A Celebration of the Greatest Time Travel Story Ever Told, and Jeff is the director of Who Done It: A Clue Documentary. In their new podcast, Clue the Movie Podcast, Brad and Jeff watch the movie one minute at a time and break it down. Along the way, they share behind-the-scenes stories, trivia, and their own personal insights. Whether you're a diehard fan of Clue or you've never seen it before, Clue the Movie Podcast is a must-listen.
Get In Touch with Jeff and Brad:
https://www.cluedoc.com
/https://theboatbradgilmore.com/
Get In Touch with Jeff and Brad:
https://www.cluedoc.com
/https://theboatbradgilmore.com/
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:00):
Oh, Bland, what have youdone? Now? It's Sue a me.
(00:28):
I need bunch. What's heella?Well, we know what's in the
(00:50):
study. Just come from the libraryand the strangers locked up in the last
girls in the vinet room again.Hello everybody, and welcome back to Clue
the Movie podcast, where we breakdown the nineteen eighty one minute at a
(01:14):
time. My name is bred Gilmour. I'm joined always by the General Jeff
Smith. Jeff, how are youdoing? Hello? How are you a
general? Jeff Smith? Here?Yeah? I like I like this little
podcast. I'm embracing it now.I'm embracing my military status. Yeah.
And I like your microphone. Youlook official, you look like like you're
actually playing. Yeah. Yeah,I'm slowly look what you've made me turn
(01:38):
into. And also joining us acaster joining us back on the show,
a highly requested guest and someone whowe really enjoyed having on last time,
John Hatch. He is the authorof what do You Mean? Murder?
Clue in the making of a cultclassic, which hits stands on eleven seven,
that's November the seventh, twenty twentythree, and you can also see
(01:59):
him at the Mysterious Bookshop in NewYork City on November the ninth of twenty
twenty three. He is John Hatch, John, how you doing fantastic?
Happy to be back. We're excited. You know. It was an exciting
minute for an exciting guest. I'msure we're going to break down everything that
we saw in minute forty seven.I do though, Jeff, it's been
(02:20):
a minute since you and I.You and I actually set and recorded a
couple of weeks at this point,I know that we always have a lot
of love from our cluviums that wemiss over that time. I do want
to take a second to acknowledge afew of them. One of them this
is just left on our podcast feed. And again, if you want to
leave us five stores in rating,it helps to show people discover it that
(02:40):
way, or at least so I'mtold. This came from M and Jay
Folks. The title of the reviewlove the podcast five story and this is
what it says. I found thispodcast after I Facebook promoted the documentary and
I am enjoying the minute by minutereview. This has been my favorite movie
(03:00):
since I was five and gets betterevery time I watch it. Thank you
for having a place for us todive into the details and they leave it
with a heart emoji. Look atthat very nice? That that was im
and J Folts. Faults faults,all right, here's another one. This
(03:22):
is from p Underscore Starling twenty threefavorite movie of all time. Finally get
Dot Dot Dot. It didn't finishin the things, so I don't know
what oh. As a child inRhode Island, my family and I would
play Clue, the board game everySaturday. Even at the age of four,
I understood and I played the gamewell, well, you are obviously
(03:42):
smart. When the movie came out, I was a mere five years old.
When I finally came to TV.My parents videotaped it. I still
have the well worn VHS tape andI would watch it more times than I
care to count. The dialogue iswell mesmerized, the songs and or imblazoned
in my memory emblazoned excuse me,I've never seen that word written out,
(04:05):
and boom hass will always be myfavorite song of all time. Okay,
and my love and respect for inmy opinion, one of the most outstanding
actresses to ever grace the screen,Leslie and Warren Began. Madelene Klan is
a very close second. Along withEileen Brennan, we've had Leslie and Warren
on the podcast. This podcast hascontinued and expanded my love for this film,
(04:30):
along with the elusive CD soundtrack,the children's books still in mint condition,
and the various other collectibles. Icherished this podcast as my weekly clue
fixed From all the Cluvians, wethank you both for this excellent audio experience.
Look at that? Who was that? That was from? Give me
one more moment here Pius p Underscorestarling twenty three. Clue at four,
(04:58):
saw the movie at five, probablydrove themselves to the theater. They're so
bright. That's awesome. And nowthey can add the book to their collection.
What do you mean murdering? Hopefully? Hopefully? Yeah, that will
be added to the collection now,Jeff, before we die in the minute
with John, do we have anyupdates from our Cluvians? And then I
(05:20):
have one more game. Yeah,we've got a pretty nice em. Well,
yes, I don't know I've everread in a while. Maybe it's
not so good, Matt Blanton wroteus he burned some calories to write to
us. Hello Brad and Jeff.Brad First, I first wanted to thank
(05:43):
you for the Clue the Movie podcast. It's become the highlight of my week,
Matt, Matt, I listened toit every Tuesday morning on my way
to work. One of the thingsI most appreciate about this podcast is the
act that Jeff is so much funnierthan is about is the fact that both
(06:04):
you both genuinely enjoy Clue the Movie'strue. I have listened to other podcasts
and follow bloggers video of whom actuallyexpress a lot of disdain towards their subject,
and I always end up quitting onthem because they destroy my happy thoughts
on the subject at hand. Nowwith this one, you have reinvented,
(06:25):
you have reinvinegered, you have reinvigoratedwe're having trouble today, reinvigorated my love
for this movie. On the samelines, I often find myself laughing at
the details you get wrong sometimes tooka tournament, or the questions you ask,
laughing at the questions we ask.Should I go on? I wish
(06:48):
I could talk to you both inreal time and scream my corrections to you,
but all I'm good fun of courseI had this stuff, he's screaming.
I have often heard you mentioned thatthe flames on the side of my
head. Oh that's not the linemat class Houses. I've often heard you
(07:12):
mentioned that the Flames on the sideof my head will be the most listened
to podcast and perhaps, oh maybeyou said that, Maybe he's quoting you,
Brad, I think I said that. I think he's quoting you when
you've screwed up. Okay, good, Well, you mentioned that Flames on
the side of my head will bethe most listened to podcast. But perhaps
you are correct. Perhaps, Butfor me, the moments that actually created
that moment are the most anticipated onesmy whole life. I've never understood exactly
(07:36):
what transpired the moment that Evette wasstrangled. No matter what the ending really
is, the murder just doesn't makeany sense. That voice in the dark
wasn't any of the players. I'dlike to know who actually recorded that line.
If we are to believe the realending, how was Missus White downstairs
rendezvousing with Evette and then literally screamingin the dark bedroom upstairs Within a few
(08:01):
seconds later, before and also alongthose lines of the real ending, Missus
Scarlett. Miss Scarlett was murdering thecop in the very next room, and
Wadsworth would have been running down thestairs to answer the door and shoot the
singing telegram girl. How did thethree of them not see one another?
(08:22):
And how was Wadsworth also seeing asecond later in the upstairs bedroom getting soaked
by the shower. And how didmissus Scarlett unlock the library door to kill
the cop? So many questions.I hope that this letter will bring you
will bring to an end a certainlong standing curiosity that has plagued my mind
for a lifetime. It is signeda friend aka Matt Blanton. Okay,
(08:48):
well a lot, Matt, Alot there. I agree with you.
I sometimes scream at myself in correctionwhen I listened back to this show.
That's true, I've done that,and so I definitely sympathize John. Do
you want to throw out any anyanswers to those queries that he levied at
the end there? How did theynot all share each other? So first,
(09:13):
I think the voice I have togo look and make sure, but
I think the voice in the billiardroom is Jonathan Lynn trying to cover up,
you know, and just make itsomebody else to keep it nice and
secret. So I think that's whothe voice is. It's the director and
how do they not see each other? So they had actually they had filmed.
I don't know that I have likean in canon answer for that.
(09:37):
I don't know that I have like, oh, well, maybe somebody was
hiding, but I can't tell you. They filmed a lot more scenes with
Wadsworth upstairs, and they cut thembecause they realized, oh, he couldn't
be downstairs murdering this person in twoof the endings, and so they ended
up cutting it like he fell downover a table and struggled to get back
(10:00):
up and stuff like that. Sothey did, they did pay attention to
that part of it, but it'sstill it's still kind of that that ending
where more than one person did it. It's it's kind of tricky to figure
out how it would all work,how Madeline Khan is walking down the stairs
and then screaming a minute later upstairs. Would you agree with this, though,
(10:24):
John that I think if you tryto figure the movie out, you're
playing a losing game a little bitas far as the murders themselves, because
because of the sit the reason theyhad these three different endings are because they
had these three different endings, it'smade to be somewhat ambiguous as far as
(10:45):
what's actually happening. Yeah, absolutely, I think that's exactly right. And
that was the I mean, thatwas the whole point of the of the
different endings since the beginning, evenwhen like John Landis had, you know,
sketched out his plot and everything,even before Jonathan Lynn was hired.
The whole point of different Endings wasto spoof, you know, the murder
(11:09):
mystery genre and to show that,look, it doesn't even really matter.
We can just swap out whoever wewant for this. It's not quite that
simple. It was hard for JonathanLinda write and figure that out, and
a lot of other writers couldn't figureit out. But that was the that
was the idea that we're going tobe able to kind of show that more
than one of these works. Yeah, I know that on the you can
(11:33):
find it on YouTube. Ciskel andEbert when they reviewed Clue in eighty five,
that was one of the things thatthey complain about, is how can
you get into this murder mystery whenthere's a chance that it's wrong twice?
Yeah, get overt, Ciskel andEbert, I mean, come on,
come on. They missed a boaton a few movies especially. You know
(11:54):
that Ebert that Ebert won a bigcomedy fan. Actually, if you go
back and look at Ebert, hegot a lot of the comedies. You
know, Cisco, Cisco was youknow, not as you think Cisco was
the one that had a better senseof humor. I think he had slightly
a better sense of humor, youknow, I think he had seen when
they're on a late night with DavidLetterman back of the day, they're actually
pretty funny when they used to bebecause he would just late David Letterman would
(12:18):
just make fun of them. Well, you need you need to seek out
the Tonight Show clip where Chevy Chaseis on the show with Courson and Ciskel
and Ebert and he's just Chevy Chaseis mocking them behind them their backs the
entire time. Really great moment,you know before we because this minute that
we just had not a lot ofaction there. I know, John,
(12:39):
you do have some interesting insight thatI want to talk to you about here
in just a moment. But wealso got another message from our cluvian And
this is what happens when you whenyou take a couple of weeks off,
you build up on some messages.This is from Sophia and her name I
don't know. Her last name isthe SULEI. I believe Sophia Stastuli and
(13:01):
after her name is MSRD. I'mnot sure what those letters mean. I
was going to ask your masters ofscience, research and development is what I'm
gonna go with. I think that'swrong, but I'm gonna go with it
anyway. She sent this. Iguess fan casting of a twenty twenty three
version of Clue and who everybody wouldbe played by. I'm sure y'all have
(13:26):
seen these out and about, butI want to go with you all and
see what you think of these namesfor our game piece characters and everybody really
in the movie. Are you allready to hear this? And I'll just
come to your reactions as we go. So, for missus White, we
have Aubrey plaza for mister green edHelms like that one. Colonel Mustard is
(13:50):
Nick Offerman? Is that? Themaid Margot Robbie. The singing Telegram girl
is Kate Massoushi Massushi. I'm notsaying her last name right. The stranger
is Steve Zon. Mister Body playedby Robert Downey Junior. And then here's
where I think they really get intotheir bag with these fan castings. Wadsworth
(14:13):
is played by Benedict Cumberbatch, Professorplum by Bill Hayter, Missus Peacock by
the Great Meryl Streep, and MissScarlett Anna the Armis. What do we
think of this cast? What dowe think of this cast? I think
some of the comedy chops might notall the way be there, but some
of them, like at Helms andhead Helms Green is pretty good. I
(14:37):
could see him doing the turn atthe end. I've end in three.
Meryl Streep, who I've been enjoyingon Only Murders in the Building this season,
so she could be very She's veryfunny this season. John's nodding,
you're watching the two? Yeah,she's been great. Yes, I don't
care about you, Brad. John'sagain. Yeah. Though she's hilarious and
(15:01):
even in Uh, Death Becomes arefantastic. Robert Robert Zemecka's film, Robert
Zamecas film. There's actually a backto the future reference in that movie.
Miss Scarlett, Miss Scarlett by Annada Armis. I could see, you
know, she was in Knives Out, a very beautiful woman, kind of
seductive. I could see perhaps MissScarlett. What do you think, John
(15:22):
Hatch? Of these names, youknow, yeah, I mean some of
them, I can see. Ireally like Benedict Cumberbatch, but I don't
know if he'd be the best wadsWorth. I don't know about his He
can be funny, but I don'tknow. I mean, yeah, that
one is interesting, Miss Scarlett,Anna Darmoss. I could see Meryl Streep.
(15:43):
I like that one. You know, when they were first casting Missus
Peacock, they wanted like an oldHollywood star. They talked to Elizabeth Taylor,
they wanted, you know, theythought about some other people, maybe
Janet Lee they talked about. SoI can see, yeah, maybe like
this this classic Hollywood star. AndI think, of all people, Meryl
Street certainly fits the bill. IHelen Mirren. Oh, Helen Mirren's a
(16:07):
good call. Helen Mirren is actuallya really good call. I like,
I like Missus Peacock. I kindof like Bill Hayter as Professor Plum,
although I don't know if he couldgive off the creep vibes. I mean,
he's got kind of a dark sideobviously in Barry. I'm not sure
if he could pull off like thecreepiness of Christopher Lloyd. Big wasted time
though for Robert Howney Jr. Uh, you know, big casting for just
(16:30):
to you know, be around fora couple of scenes and then be off
of it. Oh and here's myfavorite part. I forgot to mention this.
The director Wes Anderson. Oh thatwas a whole different movie. Okay,
Yeah, to figure out who BillMurray's gonna play, right, he's
(16:52):
the ev Angela Murray. Oh perfect. I like Nick Alfreman his Colonel Mustard.
I actually think that's a good call. And I don't know about Margot
Robbie as a vet the maid.What do y'all think about them? It's
a pretty small part for her.She's Barbie now, she doesn't need to
(17:14):
I mean, I think these thesecasting choices are good if you are also
imagining who played them in the eightyfive movie, because they kind of have
similarities to their styles. So Ithink if they ever do get around and
doing the Clue remake, it wouldprobably behoove them to go different. And
(17:37):
uh, it's not the most diversedoubting cast either, No, which would
be more to take these days.Sure, sure, I mean even in
even the game itself became more diverse, right, isn't there no longer white?
Or yeah? So I mean yeah, I think I think that would
(18:00):
be more of a question of whoplays doctor Orkin, because if they're doing
it to the game, I don'tknow what you think about doctor Orkin's personality.
And I believe doctor Orkid is ofAsian descent if I come correct.
So you need a prominent Asian actress, like a like a Michelle Yo,
Lucy Lou perhaps maybe even somebody froma more recent generation. But you know
(18:26):
what this is, These are inspiredand I do agree. I think that
people are imagining who would fit thephysical profile of the stars from nineteen eighty
five in this particular casting. Butit is interesting, and we appreciate Sophia
for sending that over should we getinto the should we get into the minute?
That was because they're still picking lots, like we came off from the
(18:52):
last episode, not a lot ofdialogue going on other than it's just me
and you, honey bunch, John, what are your first reactions to this
minute and what insight can you giveus into a less than enthralling scene from
one of our favorite fields. SoJonathan Lynn would say later years later,
I think he says this in hisaudio commentary. He said that he was
(19:15):
really proud that they got this inone take. It took two takes,
and the reason it took two takesis they get through the whole thing.
They do it perfectly. It's probablywhy he remembers it as one take.
They do it perfectly, and thenChristopher Lloyd goes up to Eileen Brennan and
says, it's you and me,honey bunch, and she just bursts out
(19:37):
laughing, and it ruined the take, and so they had to do it
again. And if you watch,I'm going to tell everyone, go watch
the second take that they use atthe very end, like a split second
before it cuts. Look at herface and she's trying really hard not to
do it again, Like they probablyshould have cut that like a split second
earlier, because I think you cantell that she's trying really hard not to
(20:00):
last. I love that, Imean, and to me, I think
that and Jeff you, being adirector and a filmmaker, probably the better
person to answer this, but Ifeel like some of the something that's lost
in cinema today. Not to soundtoo much like Siskel and Ebert is the
(20:21):
lack of long takes. It seemsas though a lot of things are quick
cut, get the coverage, getthe coverage moved to the next scene,
and not so much done in theseone flowing, effortless take to where when
it does happen. For instance,I believe it's Specter that the James Bond
movie, where there's this really beautifulopening shot that goes on for a very
(20:42):
long time before it cuts, andthey nail it in this one take.
It really does stand out, anda lot of the movies from this era,
specifically this scene in particular, itstands out to me. I think
a lot of times when they dothe long takes now, their show off
takes because the Specter is like it'ssupposed to be fancy. Spielberg still does
(21:03):
very long takes in his movies.They're just not that noticeable because he'll lock
the camera down and he moves theactors in the foreground in the background.
I know he still does it now. But one of the best examples is
if you think of Jaws when they'rewhen Brody and the mayor and all his
goons are writing the ferry, whenthey're talking about if it's a shark attack.
(21:25):
That whole Faery trip is one take. It's just locked down, but
everybody's moving closer to the camera orfurther from the camera. Mayor Vaughan like
leads Brody away to say, yousay, BARRICKO, now we all got
lap back. And but it's allbecause the movement is happening. It doesn't
feel so much like it's one take. So it still happens with directors that
(21:47):
aren't doing it too, you know, do like the player first twelve minutes
where it's very obvious that hey,everybody look at this, and this is
very much like that too. It'sit's cool that it is one shot,
but it's kind of cool, likein a play kind of way that it's
one shot. It doesn't need tobe in one shot. It could be
cut up and you can see themwill hold up the lots to make it
(22:10):
more dramatic. But it's cool thatit is. Yeah, I mean,
John, other than this particular scenethat we're talking about, are there more
things like this in Clue that maybeJeff and I haven't covered before, where
there are these long, extended takesthat they nail on one Because I feel
like the way that the dialogue iswritten and the zippiness of it, it
doesn't leave a lot of room forthese quick cuts. It feels like they
(22:30):
all have to be in a oneshot kind of scenario. Yeah. It
also is tricky because of the ensemblenature of the film, right, so
they have to there's a lot ofmedium shots in Clue if you look,
you know, to get two peoplein there and stuff. There's there's close
ups, but not as many asyou might have in another movie. And
when they when they conceive the movie, they really wanted it to be an
(22:52):
ensemble piece. That was that wassomething they wanted from the beginning. And
if you step back, you mightnot notice it, but if you really
step back and watch the movie withthat in mind, you'll see that they're
actually working pretty hard to get everyoneon screen. I'm trying to remember.
I think there were scenes, butyou know, I mean, they do
have cuts, but there are scenesin the study when things are being explained
(23:15):
that go on a little bit longer. And I know that some of those
master shots where every you know,because they will still in that scene cut
away to people. But when theywere filming the master shot of like Wadsworth
stalking around the room confronting everyone tellingthem, you know what, they were
being blackmailed for that one. Someof those had the most takes, They
(23:37):
needed the most tries to get thatright because those were longer. There weren't
clue was not a movie where itwas like Kubrick taking one hundred takes.
Most scenes three four takes, butthose would would tick up to eight,
nine, ten, maybe twelve thirteentakes. Still not horrible, but yeah,
those those had the most. Yeah, the Noah, What's David Fincher
(24:02):
right? Ninety nine takes on theopening scene of the Social Network. But
Jeff, why do you feel likedo you feel like it's a I don't
know, I don't want to saya you know, a cheating of the
audience or anything like that. I'mtrying to think of the best way to
characterize it. The quick cuts today, Is it kind of a of a
(24:22):
gimmick in some ways to I don'tknow, make it more the TikTok ification
of the audiences right where we needto see stuff fast. Why do you
think that people do because you canwatch a scene like a modern scene today
in any film and you'll see evenif it's just two people talking there's seven
or eight, nine, ten cuts, Like in one scene. What's the
(24:45):
famous example people always used, It'sAliam Neeson movie. It's one of the
takens. Okay, it's like takingthree and he jumps over a fence,
the chair link fence, and there'seight cuts of him hoppyed over a fence.
I think it's done. It's likethe Michael Bay kind of thing.
I think it's done because they thinkit's an attention span thing. But I
(25:06):
think we underestimate moviegoers because I thinkif it's good, they don't need it
to cut. And I've said thisbefore. Whenever I've seen Clue in a
theater, it's still plays just asgood as anything that's that's out now,
and it's not cut, cut cut. I was thinking of another long shot
when when the cop shows up.I think when it comes from the door
(25:30):
to the point where he leads thecop all the way to go use the
phone, that's all one take twowhere he says the chandelier almost killed us,
that's all just going back from thefront door. So I think it's
I mean, definitely, it's thestyle choice. You see it a lot
in action movies. But then you'llhave movies like John Wick where it's one
long take, or what's the AngeliaJolie one where she just like the really
(25:52):
long there's another one where she atomicblonde. Maybe I don't know it wasn't
it's another one where who's at atown plum? I answered myself, Yes,
who's gonna give us an email aboutthat one? I caught it first
though, ha ha, Matt.But anyway, yeah, I think it's
(26:15):
a style choice. But I don'tknow. Are we getting out of it?
I don't know if I see itas much? Are we starting to
leave the I hope so cut cutcut. I don't see it as much.
I don't think. Yeah, Iwould hope. So now I'm gonna
definitely wreak of early two thousands.It's gimmicky. It's Gimmickee, I want
to ask about the John your analysisof the pairings here, So we have
(26:37):
missus White and Wadsworth event and misterGreen mustard and scarlet peacock and plum.
Was there any I mean, obviouslythere's always thought put behind everything, but
was there any particular reasonings of thesemashups other than maybe the obvious of a
vet and mister Green? I thinkyeah, I mean the if you look
at it, everybody is with theperson they hate the most, like everybody
(27:03):
is with the person they like theleast. So you know, Scarlet and
Mustard have not got along. MissusPeacock is appalled at Professor Plum, and
then of course you know the gayman being paired with the sexy made is
another one. And then you knowMissus White and Wadsworth. I don't know
(27:26):
that they stand out as much,but they definitely had conflicts. There's a
great scene, and I know somepeople have pointed it out, but when
Wadsworth throws the key away outside andhe's out on the front porch and he
chucks the key and the rain iscoming down. If you watch that scene
really carefully, Missus White tries toescape. She tries to sneak around him
(27:48):
and he has to grab her andpull her back in. And then after
that that's when she says, Wadsworth, let me out and demands the key
and he says no. So Idon't know if that's exactly why, but
I do think, yeah that Imean that they're all paired up with the
person they shouldn't be, basically tomake it funnier, and it works.
It does work. I love thepairings. Jeff, which of these odd
(28:11):
couples do you appreciate the most?Oh? Boy, Well, I think
because I love the cutbacks to Greenand Event at the bottom of the stairs.
I think that's hilarious that that lingersas long as it does. That's
one of my favorite visuals in thewhole movie. But I also like also
(28:32):
in one shot, Wadsworth and MissusWhite in their respective doorways, are you
going to go in? Yes?Are you yes? And then they all
lunge out and check out each other. So I would say, although Scarlett
and Mustard are funny physically because theykeep bumping into each other, and yeah,
(28:52):
they're all good, I would sayeither Green and Event or Wadsworth and
Missus White. But going back toMissus White's Perry, and I think what's
also good is this is why doesthe the gold digger of the bunch?
And then she only shows interest inProfessor Plum when she says, oh,
are you a doctor? And sowhen she ends up with the mere butler
as Scarlett calls him later, Ithink that's that's not going to help her
(29:15):
situation at all. Yeah, Itend to like Peacock and Plum for no
other reason than just the line thatJohn was referring to. It's me and
you, honey bunch. It's just, you know, Christopher Lloyd, his
comedy, I think in this movieoverall is somewhat understated. Just he's more
(29:37):
creepy than anything. And even thoughhe is creepy in this particular moment,
this is one of his funnier lines, like his funnier line deliveries. Would
you agree, John, Oh,yeah, it's perfect, And I mean
again, that's why she busted uplaughing at it. Yeah, he absolutely
nails that line. He's really good. He's only you know, the only
time that I think that he's notpretty understated and pretty subtle. He does
(30:03):
a really good job with it.The only time I can think when that's
not the case is when he's onthe couch with Miss Scarlett in the lounge.
If you watch his face, hedoes he looks like Doc Brown for
a second, and that's like theonly time he does that. He just
kind of has this shocked look onhis face. The rest of the film,
he's just he is. He's creepy, but he's just such a buffoon
(30:26):
that it makes it funny and notmenacing, and I think he just plays
it perfectly. Yeah, Jeff,we talked about the break between the two,
right, him doing Back to theFuture and then jumping into that movie.
Wasn't it like a few weeks?Yeah? Very short? Yeah,
Oh, let's look. Actually werefer back to your instagram, John,
(30:48):
for shooting dates on Clue, becausewe went to Brad's book for Back to
the Future, then we went toyour instagram for this day and Clue,
and it's I think it's the nextnext week that he's or he's in Maybe
he was in London for the premiereor was that after the premiere was later?
The premiere was after Clue? Yeah, that was after. But he's
(31:11):
definitely bounced it back and forth betweenEmmett Brown and Professor Emmett Plum. Yeah,
it was a couple It was literallya couple of weeks. It feels
like, so there is some linedeliveries in here where you're like, uh,
is that is that? It wasn't? Yeah, Yeah, maybe he
was just tired from being Doc Brown. That's why he's so understated. He's
(31:33):
like, I'm just gonna sit onthe couch and John, can you guys
do the heavy list thing. Tellme if you think this theory as any
credence that Jeff and I came upwith of the fact that because Christopher Lloyd
did this super icon the super iconicrole of Doc Brown in nineteen eighty five
and then jumped into Professor Plum rightafterward, and this movie at the time
not as successful as Back to theFuture, I guess is putting it lightly.
(31:59):
Do you feel that's maybe why ChrisLloyd doesn't remember a whole lot about
this movie? Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Like that had to be
so weird for him that year nineteeneighty five. Two movies that take place
within a year of each other innineteen fifty four, in nineteen fifty five,
so he's doing two period pieces.One is huge. I mean,
(32:20):
there were a ton of reviews I'msure you've both seen. I mean,
there were a bunch of reviews innineteen eighty five that says that he stole
the show Back to the Future,that his performance really just stood out.
And then he's in Clue, whichis you know, he filmed Clue.
So the first day of shooting wasMay twentieth, nineteen eighty five. Back
to the Future came out in June, right, July three, July three,
(32:44):
Okay, so he's got that time. And then Clue doesn't come out
until December, and Back to theFuture is still in the top ten box
office in December nineteen eighty five,I mean, six months later, and
there may I always forget this.I say sometimes that it outperformed Clue.
I don't know if there was aweek when it actually outgross Clue, but
(33:06):
I think there was one when itwhen it actually outgross Clue, And so
yeah, I put that. Iactually talk about that in the introduction of
my book why I think a lotof the cast defaults to a lot of
the same anecdotes. I think alot of them just don't remember that much.
They you know, there was novictory lap for Clue, right,
like you're you're in a town whereyou're only as good as let your last
(33:28):
movie, Like, oh, let'sgo on to the next one, let's
hope this one's a hit, andeverybody forgets Clue. I think that's what
a lot of them kind of justcounted on, and so yeah, they
I don't think they remember much.I watch some of Jeff's documentary or some
of the outtakes from the documentary andyou know, you see Michael McKean,
no, wait, was that?Oh gee, I'm not hit. Yeah,
(33:50):
I think we did this, youknow, and I think that's pretty
much everybody's experience on Clue. Yeah, you'll see Christopher Lloyd says, oh,
we rehearsed so much. Michael Kidsays, we didn't have time to
rehearse. Yeah, there's a lotof that. I mean, that's why
it was so it was either astruggle or it was easy to get them
for me for the documentary, becausethe first reaction was, why is that
(34:14):
the movie you want to talk about? And this was also, you know,
six years ago. And I thinkover the years and to the benefit
of job and me, Clue hasgotten even more over the last six years
talked about and I think a lotof people saw during the pandemic, and
for one of the reason during thepandemic, people were watching a lot of
(34:35):
mystery kind of things. That's whyColumbo came back in a big, bad
way during the pandemic and murder.She wrote, you hear a lot about
but I think it was odd thatthat's what the movie that I wanted to
interview them about. And then itwas almost kind of like charming, like
I guess sure, I did thecostumes from Blade Runner and the sequels about
to come out, but yeah,I'll talk to you about what Missus Peacock
(34:59):
was wearing. That's cute. Sure, And then they kind of forgot about
it. And then you know,I got an email a couple of weeks
ago from Leslian Warren's people, going, can you send us a link to
the documentary because I think they kindof forgot that they did it. And
then yeah, they're like somehow itthey heard and the like, we should
(35:19):
probably watch it, and then Icould, I could and send it on
to Vimeo out of private leg soyou can see when people look at it.
So every couple of days, someonewatched it. Someone watched it.
It's starting to get around. Yeah, yeah, I think when they think
of it, But yeah, Ithink that's right, you know, John,
(35:40):
Like two quick things, like,I think people in the pandemic watched
a lot of mysteries because mysteries arecomforting because it's chaos. Someone's dead,
we don't know what happened, andthen everything is resolved at the end,
Oh we figured it out. It'svery comforting. I think that was really
helpful to people in the pandemic.I don't know if you both saw the
(36:00):
Empire magazine issue that just came outabout Clue with mostly about Tim Curry and
had a big interview with him,and that was fantastic. But Jonathan Lynn
said something in there that I've suspectedfor a long time, and it really
just it hit me. He said, I just I'm kind of ambivalent about
it. He really has mixed feelingsabout Clue. I mean, here's this
(36:22):
thing that now people love, butit almost ruined his career because it flopped.
And I think he just he's sucha nice man that he doesn't want
to turn people away or let peopledown. But I just sort of get
this sense that he's just he'll talkabout it, but he is. He's
still baffled. He's like, whywhy do you want to talk about this
(36:44):
and has still to this day hasmixed feelings about it, which is interesting
to me. Yeah, that theambivalence of Clue from Jonathan Lynn. I
mean, I guess this happens withthe passage of time with so many things,
right, I mean, some thingscome out and they're amazing at the
(37:05):
time, and then we look athim twenty years later and you're like,
oh, it was Gravity really allthat good of a movie? And then
I've never seen Avatar. But andthen you go to something like Clue,
that was, as you alluded to, John, you know, not very
popular at the time box office wise. Jonathan Lynne takes him a while.
I guess before his next big hit, which must have been my cousin Vinny
(37:29):
would have been his next hit filmif my filmography of him is right,
and again long forgotten. And thenthere's this huge resurgence just over his last
maybe i'd say maybe last ten yearsis when Clue really started to come around
as people going, oh, you'venever seen Clue. And again, I
(37:50):
don't think they were ever here todebate the u cinematic excellence and achievement that
is Clue or lack thereof. Ithink we just want to talk about the
movie movie that we love. AndI think that for Jonathan Lynn when you
do put out a creative project andit isn't successful, you do look at
that as a rejection from the public. And I think he's probably like the
(38:12):
girl who wasn't asked out to promand now is twenty years later like this
hot kazillionaire. Everyone's throwing their feetat him and going, where were you
in my formative years? And Icould have used the confidence boost. So
it's a it is an interesting dichotomy. But you know what, John Hatch's
going to talk all about it andwhat do you mean? Murder? Clue
(38:32):
in the Making of a Cult Classic, Available November seventh, twenty twenty three,
wherever books are sold. I've alreadypre ordered. Jeff is now pre
ordered now that he knows where he'sgoing to be. And I know you've
even pre ordered because you want toget your book in the mail. I've
been there. We want to seeit come in the mail. That's a
great feeling. It's an interesting feeling. You're gonna enjoy it, I'm promise
(38:52):
you. But John, where canpeople find you if they want to talk
more to you? People can findme on mostly on Instagram. That's where
I do my clue stuff. It'sbeen a little slow lately while I'm recording
the audiobook, but yeah, lookfor me on Instagram. Cluebook one.
Somebody sold cluebook but Cluebook one numberone afterwards, that's the best place to
(39:15):
find me. I'm on other socialmedia that you can find me there,
but I'm really random. You'll hearabout Clue or the Boston Red Sox,
or food or politics or something.So just Instagram's best, Instagram's Best,
and you can find the documentary WhoDone It? Via Clue Documentary available on
Screenbox, Amazon Prime or wherever youcan rent your videos. I'm sure and
(39:36):
at Clue dot dot com. Youcan find me on all social media.
At Brad Gilmour, there's been minuteforty seven Clue movie and we'll be back
next week with minute forty eight food. Oh, how can we possibly find
(41:00):
out which of you did it?What do you mean which of you did
it well? I didn't do itwell. One of us did. We
all had the opportunity, We allhad a motor, great spore of the
share. Maybe it wasn't one ofus. Who else grew to beat?
Who else is in the house?Don't it looks cool? All of those
characters are searching for a murderer andClue the comic mystery with three endings.
(41:21):
We'll tell you whether any one ofthem is worth seeing. Out at the
Movies the Movie review Program, I'mJean Cisco. Film critic of the Chicago
Tribune, and I'm Roger Ebert,film critic of the Chicago Sun Times.
And let's also talk about whether thebeginning of Clue is worth seeing. Well,
let's go all the way. Let'stalk about the middle. Let's talk
about the middle too. Our nextfilm is based on the forty year old
board game Clue, and it startstalking a very funny way with a whole
(41:43):
bunch of characters are sumbling in amansion. All have familiar names, Miss
Scarlett, Missus White, Colonel Mustard, all taken from the board game.
They all share the same secret.They're all being blackmailed by the same man.
You. I too, am beingblackmails for something I didn't do.
Me too, and me now donot being blackmailed? Oh I'm being blackmailed,
all right, but I did.But I'm being blackmailed for what did
(42:06):
you do? Well, to beperfectly frank, I'm on a specialized hotel
in a telephone service which provides gentlemenwith the company of a young lady for
a short while. Oh yeah,what's the phone number? So how did
you know Colonel Mustard works in Washington? Is he one of your clients?
Certainly not. I was asking thisscarlet. Will you tell him it's not
true. It's not true. That'strue, that's not true. Ah,
(42:28):
so it is true. A doublenegative? Double negative? You mean you
have photographs? That sounds like aconfession to me. In fact, that
double negative has led to proof positive. I'm afraid you gave yourself away.
Are you trying to make me lookstupid in front of the other guests?
Lending any help from me? That'sright as long as the talented cast is
cracking one liner. This clue waskind of fun, but the verbal gags
asked for less than half the film. Is that funny? I see,
(42:51):
that's why he was lying on hisback in his company. I didn't kill
him, then why are you payingthe blackmailer? I don't want a scandal,
do We had had a very amiliatingpublic confrontation. He was deranged,
he was lunatic. He didn't actuallyseem to like me very much. He
had threatened to kill me in public. Why would he want to kill you
in public? I think she meanthe'd threatened in public to kill her?
(43:13):
Well, was that his final wordon the matter? Being killed is pretty
final? Wouldn't you say? Andyet he was the one who died.
Not you, is his wife?Not you? What did he do for
a living? He was a scientist, nuclear physics. What was he liked?
He was always rather stupidly optimistic man. And I I'm afraid he became
was a great shock to him whenhe died. But he was found dead
(43:35):
at Home's head had been cut offand so had his You know, I
had been out all evening at themovies. Do you miss him? What's
a matter of life after death?Now that he said, I have a
life? Some pretty funny gags there, and that one about the crossing of
her legs that is a classic.Now, after those gags, early in
the film, there's a murder,and that's where the movie falls apartners All
(43:59):
the characters begin running around the mansionand as they were mice in a maze.
And then there's the matter of thefilm's ending. It has been well
advertised by Paramount Pictures that three differentendings about lasting about three minutes apiece,
were filmed for this movie, revealingthree different murderers. We'll think about it.
If we know that walking into themovie, then we really can't get
too excited about guessing who done it? Because think about it, literally,
(44:21):
anybody could have done it, andanybody did do it. Three different people
did do it, and that cutsthe heart out of the tension of a
mystery. Now, either Paramount shouldhave showed all three endings as they did
the critics, or better yet,simply strengthen the script and picked the best
murder ending of all. Either goto admit, or just to do all
three endings. Because since you're rightit doesn't matter who did it, then
why we only get one person whodid it? I thought it was kind
(44:44):
of clever that the same facts fitthree different guilty parties, and so it
would be fun to see all three. I'll bet that's what they do with
the video cassette. They're going tohave to throw all three endings, and
what are you gonna do buy threecassettes or to find out, when he
didn't care in the first place,who did it? I will say this,
I've seen all three endings that thecritics got to do at the public
didn't, and the theaters are markedA, B and C where they're playing
A paramount doesn't want me to dothis, but okay, so let's both
(45:07):
of us and do what it wantsthe best ending. I think the funniest
ending is a I agree, what'sthe best. So go to the theater
if you go at all, andI don't know the way you should go
at all. And when a theater, stay away from the worst, which
is ce right. Hey, youare right to make it even easier.
Probably be best if you didn't goto this movie at all.
Oh, Bland, what have youdone? Now? It's Sue a me.
(00:28):
I need bunch. What's heella?Well, we know what's in the
(00:50):
study. Just come from the libraryand the strangers locked up in the last
girls in the vinet room again.Hello everybody, and welcome back to Clue
the Movie podcast, where we breakdown the nineteen eighty one minute at a
(01:14):
time. My name is bred Gilmour. I'm joined always by the General Jeff
Smith. Jeff, how are youdoing? Hello? How are you a
general? Jeff Smith? Here?Yeah? I like I like this little
podcast. I'm embracing it now.I'm embracing my military status. Yeah.
And I like your microphone. Youlook official, you look like like you're
actually playing. Yeah. Yeah,I'm slowly look what you've made me turn
(01:38):
into. And also joining us acaster joining us back on the show,
a highly requested guest and someone whowe really enjoyed having on last time,
John Hatch. He is the authorof what do You Mean? Murder?
Clue in the making of a cultclassic, which hits stands on eleven seven,
that's November the seventh, twenty twentythree, and you can also see
(01:59):
him at the Mysterious Bookshop in NewYork City on November the ninth of twenty
twenty three. He is John Hatch, John, how you doing fantastic?
Happy to be back. We're excited. You know. It was an exciting
minute for an exciting guest. I'msure we're going to break down everything that
we saw in minute forty seven.I do though, Jeff, it's been
(02:20):
a minute since you and I.You and I actually set and recorded a
couple of weeks at this point,I know that we always have a lot
of love from our cluviums that wemiss over that time. I do want
to take a second to acknowledge afew of them. One of them this
is just left on our podcast feed. And again, if you want to
leave us five stores in rating,it helps to show people discover it that
(02:40):
way, or at least so I'mtold. This came from M and Jay
Folks. The title of the reviewlove the podcast five story and this is
what it says. I found thispodcast after I Facebook promoted the documentary and
I am enjoying the minute by minutereview. This has been my favorite movie
(03:00):
since I was five and gets betterevery time I watch it. Thank you
for having a place for us todive into the details and they leave it
with a heart emoji. Look atthat very nice? That that was im
and J Folts. Faults faults,all right, here's another one. This
(03:22):
is from p Underscore Starling twenty threefavorite movie of all time. Finally get
Dot Dot Dot. It didn't finishin the things, so I don't know
what oh. As a child inRhode Island, my family and I would
play Clue, the board game everySaturday. Even at the age of four,
I understood and I played the gamewell, well, you are obviously
(03:42):
smart. When the movie came out, I was a mere five years old.
When I finally came to TV.My parents videotaped it. I still
have the well worn VHS tape andI would watch it more times than I
care to count. The dialogue iswell mesmerized, the songs and or imblazoned
in my memory emblazoned excuse me,I've never seen that word written out,
(04:05):
and boom hass will always be myfavorite song of all time. Okay,
and my love and respect for inmy opinion, one of the most outstanding
actresses to ever grace the screen,Leslie and Warren Began. Madelene Klan is
a very close second. Along withEileen Brennan, we've had Leslie and Warren
on the podcast. This podcast hascontinued and expanded my love for this film,
(04:30):
along with the elusive CD soundtrack,the children's books still in mint condition,
and the various other collectibles. Icherished this podcast as my weekly clue
fixed From all the Cluvians, wethank you both for this excellent audio experience.
Look at that? Who was that? That was from? Give me
one more moment here Pius p Underscorestarling twenty three. Clue at four,
(04:58):
saw the movie at five, probablydrove themselves to the theater. They're so
bright. That's awesome. And nowthey can add the book to their collection.
What do you mean murdering? Hopefully? Hopefully? Yeah, that will
be added to the collection now,Jeff, before we die in the minute
with John, do we have anyupdates from our Cluvians? And then I
(05:20):
have one more game. Yeah,we've got a pretty nice em. Well,
yes, I don't know I've everread in a while. Maybe it's
not so good, Matt Blanton wroteus he burned some calories to write to
us. Hello Brad and Jeff.Brad First, I first wanted to thank
(05:43):
you for the Clue the Movie podcast. It's become the highlight of my week,
Matt, Matt, I listened toit every Tuesday morning on my way
to work. One of the thingsI most appreciate about this podcast is the
act that Jeff is so much funnierthan is about is the fact that both
(06:04):
you both genuinely enjoy Clue the Movie'strue. I have listened to other podcasts
and follow bloggers video of whom actuallyexpress a lot of disdain towards their subject,
and I always end up quitting onthem because they destroy my happy thoughts
on the subject at hand. Nowwith this one, you have reinvented,
(06:25):
you have reinvinegered, you have reinvigoratedwe're having trouble today, reinvigorated my love
for this movie. On the samelines, I often find myself laughing at
the details you get wrong sometimes tooka tournament, or the questions you ask,
laughing at the questions we ask.Should I go on? I wish
(06:48):
I could talk to you both inreal time and scream my corrections to you,
but all I'm good fun of courseI had this stuff, he's screaming.
I have often heard you mentioned thatthe flames on the side of my
head. Oh that's not the linemat class Houses. I've often heard you
(07:12):
mentioned that the Flames on the sideof my head will be the most listened
to podcast and perhaps, oh maybeyou said that, Maybe he's quoting you,
Brad, I think I said that. I think he's quoting you when
you've screwed up. Okay, good, Well, you mentioned that Flames on
the side of my head will bethe most listened to podcast. But perhaps
you are correct. Perhaps, Butfor me, the moments that actually created
that moment are the most anticipated onesmy whole life. I've never understood exactly
(07:36):
what transpired the moment that Evette wasstrangled. No matter what the ending really
is, the murder just doesn't makeany sense. That voice in the dark
wasn't any of the players. I'dlike to know who actually recorded that line.
If we are to believe the realending, how was Missus White downstairs
rendezvousing with Evette and then literally screamingin the dark bedroom upstairs Within a few
(08:01):
seconds later, before and also alongthose lines of the real ending, Missus
Scarlett. Miss Scarlett was murdering thecop in the very next room, and
Wadsworth would have been running down thestairs to answer the door and shoot the
singing telegram girl. How did thethree of them not see one another?
(08:22):
And how was Wadsworth also seeing asecond later in the upstairs bedroom getting soaked
by the shower. And how didmissus Scarlett unlock the library door to kill
the cop? So many questions.I hope that this letter will bring you
will bring to an end a certainlong standing curiosity that has plagued my mind
for a lifetime. It is signeda friend aka Matt Blanton. Okay,
(08:48):
well a lot, Matt, Alot there. I agree with you.
I sometimes scream at myself in correctionwhen I listened back to this show.
That's true, I've done that,and so I definitely sympathize John. Do
you want to throw out any anyanswers to those queries that he levied at
the end there? How did theynot all share each other? So first,
(09:13):
I think the voice I have togo look and make sure, but
I think the voice in the billiardroom is Jonathan Lynn trying to cover up,
you know, and just make itsomebody else to keep it nice and
secret. So I think that's whothe voice is. It's the director and
how do they not see each other? So they had actually they had filmed.
I don't know that I have likean in canon answer for that.
(09:37):
I don't know that I have like, oh, well, maybe somebody was
hiding, but I can't tell you. They filmed a lot more scenes with
Wadsworth upstairs, and they cut thembecause they realized, oh, he couldn't
be downstairs murdering this person in twoof the endings, and so they ended
up cutting it like he fell downover a table and struggled to get back
(10:00):
up and stuff like that. Sothey did, they did pay attention to
that part of it, but it'sstill it's still kind of that that ending
where more than one person did it. It's it's kind of tricky to figure
out how it would all work,how Madeline Khan is walking down the stairs
and then screaming a minute later upstairs. Would you agree with this, though,
(10:24):
John that I think if you tryto figure the movie out, you're
playing a losing game a little bitas far as the murders themselves, because
because of the sit the reason theyhad these three different endings are because they
had these three different endings, it'smade to be somewhat ambiguous as far as
(10:45):
what's actually happening. Yeah, absolutely, I think that's exactly right. And
that was the I mean, thatwas the whole point of the of the
different endings since the beginning, evenwhen like John Landis had, you know,
sketched out his plot and everything,even before Jonathan Lynn was hired.
The whole point of different Endings wasto spoof, you know, the murder
(11:09):
mystery genre and to show that,look, it doesn't even really matter.
We can just swap out whoever wewant for this. It's not quite that
simple. It was hard for JonathanLinda write and figure that out, and
a lot of other writers couldn't figureit out. But that was the that
was the idea that we're going tobe able to kind of show that more
than one of these works. Yeah, I know that on the you can
(11:33):
find it on YouTube. Ciskel andEbert when they reviewed Clue in eighty five,
that was one of the things thatthey complain about, is how can
you get into this murder mystery whenthere's a chance that it's wrong twice?
Yeah, get overt, Ciskel andEbert, I mean, come on,
come on. They missed a boaton a few movies especially. You know
(11:54):
that Ebert that Ebert won a bigcomedy fan. Actually, if you go
back and look at Ebert, hegot a lot of the comedies. You
know, Cisco, Cisco was youknow, not as you think Cisco was
the one that had a better senseof humor. I think he had slightly
a better sense of humor, youknow, I think he had seen when
they're on a late night with DavidLetterman back of the day, they're actually
pretty funny when they used to bebecause he would just late David Letterman would
(12:18):
just make fun of them. Well, you need you need to seek out
the Tonight Show clip where Chevy Chaseis on the show with Courson and Ciskel
and Ebert and he's just Chevy Chaseis mocking them behind them their backs the
entire time. Really great moment,you know before we because this minute that
we just had not a lot ofaction there. I know, John,
(12:39):
you do have some interesting insight thatI want to talk to you about here
in just a moment. But wealso got another message from our cluvian And
this is what happens when you whenyou take a couple of weeks off,
you build up on some messages.This is from Sophia and her name I
don't know. Her last name isthe SULEI. I believe Sophia Stastuli and
(13:01):
after her name is MSRD. I'mnot sure what those letters mean. I
was going to ask your masters ofscience, research and development is what I'm
gonna go with. I think that'swrong, but I'm gonna go with it
anyway. She sent this. Iguess fan casting of a twenty twenty three
version of Clue and who everybody wouldbe played by. I'm sure y'all have
(13:26):
seen these out and about, butI want to go with you all and
see what you think of these namesfor our game piece characters and everybody really
in the movie. Are you allready to hear this? And I'll just
come to your reactions as we go. So, for missus White, we
have Aubrey plaza for mister green edHelms like that one. Colonel Mustard is
(13:50):
Nick Offerman? Is that? Themaid Margot Robbie. The singing Telegram girl
is Kate Massoushi Massushi. I'm notsaying her last name right. The stranger
is Steve Zon. Mister Body playedby Robert Downey Junior. And then here's
where I think they really get intotheir bag with these fan castings. Wadsworth
(14:13):
is played by Benedict Cumberbatch, Professorplum by Bill Hayter, Missus Peacock by
the Great Meryl Streep, and MissScarlett Anna the Armis. What do we
think of this cast? What dowe think of this cast? I think
some of the comedy chops might notall the way be there, but some
of them, like at Helms andhead Helms Green is pretty good. I
(14:37):
could see him doing the turn atthe end. I've end in three.
Meryl Streep, who I've been enjoyingon Only Murders in the Building this season,
so she could be very She's veryfunny this season. John's nodding,
you're watching the two? Yeah,she's been great. Yes, I don't
care about you, Brad. John'sagain. Yeah. Though she's hilarious and
(15:01):
even in Uh, Death Becomes arefantastic. Robert Robert Zemecka's film, Robert
Zamecas film. There's actually a backto the future reference in that movie.
Miss Scarlett, Miss Scarlett by Annada Armis. I could see, you
know, she was in Knives Out, a very beautiful woman, kind of
seductive. I could see perhaps MissScarlett. What do you think, John
(15:22):
Hatch? Of these names, youknow, yeah, I mean some of
them, I can see. Ireally like Benedict Cumberbatch, but I don't
know if he'd be the best wadsWorth. I don't know about his He
can be funny, but I don'tknow. I mean, yeah, that
one is interesting, Miss Scarlett,Anna Darmoss. I could see Meryl Streep.
(15:43):
I like that one. You know, when they were first casting Missus
Peacock, they wanted like an oldHollywood star. They talked to Elizabeth Taylor,
they wanted, you know, theythought about some other people, maybe
Janet Lee they talked about. SoI can see, yeah, maybe like
this this classic Hollywood star. AndI think, of all people, Meryl
Street certainly fits the bill. IHelen Mirren. Oh, Helen Mirren's a
(16:07):
good call. Helen Mirren is actuallya really good call. I like,
I like Missus Peacock. I kindof like Bill Hayter as Professor Plum,
although I don't know if he couldgive off the creep vibes. I mean,
he's got kind of a dark sideobviously in Barry. I'm not sure
if he could pull off like thecreepiness of Christopher Lloyd. Big wasted time
though for Robert Howney Jr. Uh, you know, big casting for just
(16:30):
to you know, be around fora couple of scenes and then be off
of it. Oh and here's myfavorite part. I forgot to mention this.
The director Wes Anderson. Oh thatwas a whole different movie. Okay,
Yeah, to figure out who BillMurray's gonna play, right, he's
(16:52):
the ev Angela Murray. Oh perfect. I like Nick Alfreman his Colonel Mustard.
I actually think that's a good call. And I don't know about Margot
Robbie as a vet the maid.What do y'all think about them? It's
a pretty small part for her.She's Barbie now, she doesn't need to
(17:14):
I mean, I think these thesecasting choices are good if you are also
imagining who played them in the eightyfive movie, because they kind of have
similarities to their styles. So Ithink if they ever do get around and
doing the Clue remake, it wouldprobably behoove them to go different. And
(17:37):
uh, it's not the most diversedoubting cast either, No, which would
be more to take these days.Sure, sure, I mean even in
even the game itself became more diverse, right, isn't there no longer white?
Or yeah? So I mean yeah, I think I think that would
(18:00):
be more of a question of whoplays doctor Orkin, because if they're doing
it to the game, I don'tknow what you think about doctor Orkin's personality.
And I believe doctor Orkid is ofAsian descent if I come correct.
So you need a prominent Asian actress, like a like a Michelle Yo,
Lucy Lou perhaps maybe even somebody froma more recent generation. But you know
(18:26):
what this is, These are inspiredand I do agree. I think that
people are imagining who would fit thephysical profile of the stars from nineteen eighty
five in this particular casting. Butit is interesting, and we appreciate Sophia
for sending that over should we getinto the should we get into the minute?
That was because they're still picking lots, like we came off from the
(18:52):
last episode, not a lot ofdialogue going on other than it's just me
and you, honey bunch, John, what are your first reactions to this
minute and what insight can you giveus into a less than enthralling scene from
one of our favorite fields. SoJonathan Lynn would say later years later,
I think he says this in hisaudio commentary. He said that he was
(19:15):
really proud that they got this inone take. It took two takes,
and the reason it took two takesis they get through the whole thing.
They do it perfectly. It's probablywhy he remembers it as one take.
They do it perfectly, and thenChristopher Lloyd goes up to Eileen Brennan and
says, it's you and me,honey bunch, and she just bursts out
(19:37):
laughing, and it ruined the take, and so they had to do it
again. And if you watch,I'm going to tell everyone, go watch
the second take that they use atthe very end, like a split second
before it cuts. Look at herface and she's trying really hard not to
do it again, Like they probablyshould have cut that like a split second
earlier, because I think you cantell that she's trying really hard not to
(20:00):
last. I love that, Imean, and to me, I think
that and Jeff you, being adirector and a filmmaker, probably the better
person to answer this, but Ifeel like some of the something that's lost
in cinema today. Not to soundtoo much like Siskel and Ebert is the
(20:21):
lack of long takes. It seemsas though a lot of things are quick
cut, get the coverage, getthe coverage moved to the next scene,
and not so much done in theseone flowing, effortless take to where when
it does happen. For instance,I believe it's Specter that the James Bond
movie, where there's this really beautifulopening shot that goes on for a very
(20:42):
long time before it cuts, andthey nail it in this one take.
It really does stand out, anda lot of the movies from this era,
specifically this scene in particular, itstands out to me. I think
a lot of times when they dothe long takes now, their show off
takes because the Specter is like it'ssupposed to be fancy. Spielberg still does
(21:03):
very long takes in his movies.They're just not that noticeable because he'll lock
the camera down and he moves theactors in the foreground in the background.
I know he still does it now. But one of the best examples is
if you think of Jaws when they'rewhen Brody and the mayor and all his
goons are writing the ferry, whenthey're talking about if it's a shark attack.
(21:25):
That whole Faery trip is one take. It's just locked down, but
everybody's moving closer to the camera orfurther from the camera. Mayor Vaughan like
leads Brody away to say, yousay, BARRICKO, now we all got
lap back. And but it's allbecause the movement is happening. It doesn't
feel so much like it's one take. So it still happens with directors that
(21:47):
aren't doing it too, you know, do like the player first twelve minutes
where it's very obvious that hey,everybody look at this, and this is
very much like that too. It'sit's cool that it is one shot,
but it's kind of cool, likein a play kind of way that it's
one shot. It doesn't need tobe in one shot. It could be
cut up and you can see themwill hold up the lots to make it
(22:10):
more dramatic. But it's cool thatit is. Yeah, I mean,
John, other than this particular scenethat we're talking about, are there more
things like this in Clue that maybeJeff and I haven't covered before, where
there are these long, extended takesthat they nail on one Because I feel
like the way that the dialogue iswritten and the zippiness of it, it
doesn't leave a lot of room forthese quick cuts. It feels like they
(22:30):
all have to be in a oneshot kind of scenario. Yeah. It
also is tricky because of the ensemblenature of the film, right, so
they have to there's a lot ofmedium shots in Clue if you look,
you know, to get two peoplein there and stuff. There's there's close
ups, but not as many asyou might have in another movie. And
when they when they conceive the movie, they really wanted it to be an
(22:52):
ensemble piece. That was that wassomething they wanted from the beginning. And
if you step back, you mightnot notice it, but if you really
step back and watch the movie withthat in mind, you'll see that they're
actually working pretty hard to get everyoneon screen. I'm trying to remember.
I think there were scenes, butyou know, I mean, they do
have cuts, but there are scenesin the study when things are being explained
(23:15):
that go on a little bit longer. And I know that some of those
master shots where every you know,because they will still in that scene cut
away to people. But when theywere filming the master shot of like Wadsworth
stalking around the room confronting everyone tellingthem, you know what, they were
being blackmailed for that one. Someof those had the most takes, They
(23:37):
needed the most tries to get thatright because those were longer. There weren't
clue was not a movie where itwas like Kubrick taking one hundred takes.
Most scenes three four takes, butthose would would tick up to eight,
nine, ten, maybe twelve thirteentakes. Still not horrible, but yeah,
those those had the most. Yeah, the Noah, What's David Fincher
(24:02):
right? Ninety nine takes on theopening scene of the Social Network. But
Jeff, why do you feel likedo you feel like it's a I don't
know, I don't want to saya you know, a cheating of the
audience or anything like that. I'mtrying to think of the best way to
characterize it. The quick cuts today, Is it kind of a of a
(24:22):
gimmick in some ways to I don'tknow, make it more the TikTok ification
of the audiences right where we needto see stuff fast. Why do you
think that people do because you canwatch a scene like a modern scene today
in any film and you'll see evenif it's just two people talking there's seven
or eight, nine, ten cuts, Like in one scene. What's the
(24:45):
famous example people always used, It'sAliam Neeson movie. It's one of the
takens. Okay, it's like takingthree and he jumps over a fence,
the chair link fence, and there'seight cuts of him hoppyed over a fence.
I think it's done. It's likethe Michael Bay kind of thing.
I think it's done because they thinkit's an attention span thing. But I
(25:06):
think we underestimate moviegoers because I thinkif it's good, they don't need it
to cut. And I've said thisbefore. Whenever I've seen Clue in a
theater, it's still plays just asgood as anything that's that's out now,
and it's not cut, cut cut. I was thinking of another long shot
when when the cop shows up.I think when it comes from the door
(25:30):
to the point where he leads thecop all the way to go use the
phone, that's all one take twowhere he says the chandelier almost killed us,
that's all just going back from thefront door. So I think it's
I mean, definitely, it's thestyle choice. You see it a lot
in action movies. But then you'llhave movies like John Wick where it's one
long take, or what's the AngeliaJolie one where she just like the really
(25:52):
long there's another one where she atomicblonde. Maybe I don't know it wasn't
it's another one where who's at atown plum? I answered myself, Yes,
who's gonna give us an email aboutthat one? I caught it first
though, ha ha, Matt.But anyway, yeah, I think it's
(26:15):
a style choice. But I don'tknow. Are we getting out of it?
I don't know if I see itas much? Are we starting to
leave the I hope so cut cutcut. I don't see it as much.
I don't think. Yeah, Iwould hope. So now I'm gonna
definitely wreak of early two thousands.It's gimmicky. It's Gimmickee, I want
to ask about the John your analysisof the pairings here, So we have
(26:37):
missus White and Wadsworth event and misterGreen mustard and scarlet peacock and plum.
Was there any I mean, obviouslythere's always thought put behind everything, but
was there any particular reasonings of thesemashups other than maybe the obvious of a
vet and mister Green? I thinkyeah, I mean the if you look
at it, everybody is with theperson they hate the most, like everybody
(27:03):
is with the person they like theleast. So you know, Scarlet and
Mustard have not got along. MissusPeacock is appalled at Professor Plum, and
then of course you know the gayman being paired with the sexy made is
another one. And then you knowMissus White and Wadsworth. I don't know
(27:26):
that they stand out as much,but they definitely had conflicts. There's a
great scene, and I know somepeople have pointed it out, but when
Wadsworth throws the key away outside andhe's out on the front porch and he
chucks the key and the rain iscoming down. If you watch that scene
really carefully, Missus White tries toescape. She tries to sneak around him
(27:48):
and he has to grab her andpull her back in. And then after
that that's when she says, Wadsworth, let me out and demands the key
and he says no. So Idon't know if that's exactly why, but
I do think, yeah that Imean that they're all paired up with the
person they shouldn't be, basically tomake it funnier, and it works.
It does work. I love thepairings. Jeff, which of these odd
(28:11):
couples do you appreciate the most?Oh? Boy, Well, I think
because I love the cutbacks to Greenand Event at the bottom of the stairs.
I think that's hilarious that that lingersas long as it does. That's
one of my favorite visuals in thewhole movie. But I also like also
(28:32):
in one shot, Wadsworth and MissusWhite in their respective doorways, are you
going to go in? Yes?Are you yes? And then they all
lunge out and check out each other. So I would say, although Scarlett
and Mustard are funny physically because theykeep bumping into each other, and yeah,
(28:52):
they're all good, I would sayeither Green and Event or Wadsworth and
Missus White. But going back toMissus White's Perry, and I think what's
also good is this is why doesthe the gold digger of the bunch?
And then she only shows interest inProfessor Plum when she says, oh,
are you a doctor? And sowhen she ends up with the mere butler
as Scarlett calls him later, Ithink that's that's not going to help her
(29:15):
situation at all. Yeah, Itend to like Peacock and Plum for no
other reason than just the line thatJohn was referring to. It's me and
you, honey bunch. It's just, you know, Christopher Lloyd, his
comedy, I think in this movieoverall is somewhat understated. Just he's more
(29:37):
creepy than anything. And even thoughhe is creepy in this particular moment,
this is one of his funnier lines, like his funnier line deliveries. Would
you agree, John, Oh,yeah, it's perfect, And I mean
again, that's why she busted uplaughing at it. Yeah, he absolutely
nails that line. He's really good. He's only you know, the only
time that I think that he's notpretty understated and pretty subtle. He does
(30:03):
a really good job with it.The only time I can think when that's
not the case is when he's onthe couch with Miss Scarlett in the lounge.
If you watch his face, hedoes he looks like Doc Brown for
a second, and that's like theonly time he does that. He just
kind of has this shocked look onhis face. The rest of the film,
he's just he is. He's creepy, but he's just such a buffoon
(30:26):
that it makes it funny and notmenacing, and I think he just plays
it perfectly. Yeah, Jeff,we talked about the break between the two,
right, him doing Back to theFuture and then jumping into that movie.
Wasn't it like a few weeks?Yeah? Very short? Yeah,
Oh, let's look. Actually werefer back to your instagram, John,
(30:48):
for shooting dates on Clue, becausewe went to Brad's book for Back to
the Future, then we went toyour instagram for this day and Clue,
and it's I think it's the nextnext week that he's or he's in Maybe
he was in London for the premiereor was that after the premiere was later?
The premiere was after Clue? Yeah, that was after. But he's
(31:11):
definitely bounced it back and forth betweenEmmett Brown and Professor Emmett Plum. Yeah,
it was a couple It was literallya couple of weeks. It feels
like, so there is some linedeliveries in here where you're like, uh,
is that is that? It wasn't? Yeah, Yeah, maybe he
was just tired from being Doc Brown. That's why he's so understated. He's
(31:33):
like, I'm just gonna sit onthe couch and John, can you guys
do the heavy list thing. Tellme if you think this theory as any
credence that Jeff and I came upwith of the fact that because Christopher Lloyd
did this super icon the super iconicrole of Doc Brown in nineteen eighty five
and then jumped into Professor Plum rightafterward, and this movie at the time
not as successful as Back to theFuture, I guess is putting it lightly.
(31:59):
Do you feel that's maybe why ChrisLloyd doesn't remember a whole lot about
this movie? Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Like that had to be
so weird for him that year nineteeneighty five. Two movies that take place
within a year of each other innineteen fifty four, in nineteen fifty five,
so he's doing two period pieces.One is huge. I mean,
(32:20):
there were a ton of reviews I'msure you've both seen. I mean,
there were a bunch of reviews innineteen eighty five that says that he stole
the show Back to the Future,that his performance really just stood out.
And then he's in Clue, whichis you know, he filmed Clue.
So the first day of shooting wasMay twentieth, nineteen eighty five. Back
to the Future came out in June, right, July three, July three,
(32:44):
Okay, so he's got that time. And then Clue doesn't come out
until December, and Back to theFuture is still in the top ten box
office in December nineteen eighty five,I mean, six months later, and
there may I always forget this.I say sometimes that it outperformed Clue.
I don't know if there was aweek when it actually outgross Clue, but
(33:06):
I think there was one when itwhen it actually outgross Clue, And so
yeah, I put that. Iactually talk about that in the introduction of
my book why I think a lotof the cast defaults to a lot of
the same anecdotes. I think alot of them just don't remember that much.
They you know, there was novictory lap for Clue, right,
like you're you're in a town whereyou're only as good as let your last
(33:28):
movie, Like, oh, let'sgo on to the next one, let's
hope this one's a hit, andeverybody forgets Clue. I think that's what
a lot of them kind of justcounted on, and so yeah, they
I don't think they remember much.I watch some of Jeff's documentary or some
of the outtakes from the documentary andyou know, you see Michael McKean,
no, wait, was that?Oh gee, I'm not hit. Yeah,
(33:50):
I think we did this, youknow, and I think that's pretty
much everybody's experience on Clue. Yeah, you'll see Christopher Lloyd says, oh,
we rehearsed so much. Michael Kidsays, we didn't have time to
rehearse. Yeah, there's a lotof that. I mean, that's why
it was so it was either astruggle or it was easy to get them
for me for the documentary, becausethe first reaction was, why is that
(34:14):
the movie you want to talk about? And this was also, you know,
six years ago. And I thinkover the years and to the benefit
of job and me, Clue hasgotten even more over the last six years
talked about and I think a lotof people saw during the pandemic, and
for one of the reason during thepandemic, people were watching a lot of
(34:35):
mystery kind of things. That's whyColumbo came back in a big, bad
way during the pandemic and murder.She wrote, you hear a lot about
but I think it was odd thatthat's what the movie that I wanted to
interview them about. And then itwas almost kind of like charming, like
I guess sure, I did thecostumes from Blade Runner and the sequels about
to come out, but yeah,I'll talk to you about what Missus Peacock
(34:59):
was wearing. That's cute. Sure, And then they kind of forgot about
it. And then you know,I got an email a couple of weeks
ago from Leslian Warren's people, going, can you send us a link to
the documentary because I think they kindof forgot that they did it. And
then yeah, they're like somehow itthey heard and the like, we should
(35:19):
probably watch it, and then Icould, I could and send it on
to Vimeo out of private leg soyou can see when people look at it.
So every couple of days, someonewatched it. Someone watched it.
It's starting to get around. Yeah, yeah, I think when they think
of it, But yeah, Ithink that's right, you know, John,
(35:40):
Like two quick things, like,I think people in the pandemic watched
a lot of mysteries because mysteries arecomforting because it's chaos. Someone's dead,
we don't know what happened, andthen everything is resolved at the end,
Oh we figured it out. It'svery comforting. I think that was really
helpful to people in the pandemic.I don't know if you both saw the
(36:00):
Empire magazine issue that just came outabout Clue with mostly about Tim Curry and
had a big interview with him,and that was fantastic. But Jonathan Lynn
said something in there that I've suspectedfor a long time, and it really
just it hit me. He said, I just I'm kind of ambivalent about
it. He really has mixed feelingsabout Clue. I mean, here's this
(36:22):
thing that now people love, butit almost ruined his career because it flopped.
And I think he just he's sucha nice man that he doesn't want
to turn people away or let peopledown. But I just sort of get
this sense that he's just he'll talkabout it, but he is. He's
still baffled. He's like, whywhy do you want to talk about this
(36:44):
and has still to this day hasmixed feelings about it, which is interesting
to me. Yeah, that theambivalence of Clue from Jonathan Lynn. I
mean, I guess this happens withthe passage of time with so many things,
right, I mean, some thingscome out and they're amazing at the
(37:05):
time, and then we look athim twenty years later and you're like,
oh, it was Gravity really allthat good of a movie? And then
I've never seen Avatar. But andthen you go to something like Clue,
that was, as you alluded to, John, you know, not very
popular at the time box office wise. Jonathan Lynne takes him a while.
I guess before his next big hit, which must have been my cousin Vinny
(37:29):
would have been his next hit filmif my filmography of him is right,
and again long forgotten. And thenthere's this huge resurgence just over his last
maybe i'd say maybe last ten yearsis when Clue really started to come around
as people going, oh, you'venever seen Clue. And again, I
(37:50):
don't think they were ever here todebate the u cinematic excellence and achievement that
is Clue or lack thereof. Ithink we just want to talk about the
movie movie that we love. AndI think that for Jonathan Lynn when you
do put out a creative project andit isn't successful, you do look at
that as a rejection from the public. And I think he's probably like the
(38:12):
girl who wasn't asked out to promand now is twenty years later like this
hot kazillionaire. Everyone's throwing their feetat him and going, where were you
in my formative years? And Icould have used the confidence boost. So
it's a it is an interesting dichotomy. But you know what, John Hatch's
going to talk all about it andwhat do you mean? Murder? Clue
(38:32):
in the Making of a Cult Classic, Available November seventh, twenty twenty three,
wherever books are sold. I've alreadypre ordered. Jeff is now pre
ordered now that he knows where he'sgoing to be. And I know you've
even pre ordered because you want toget your book in the mail. I've
been there. We want to seeit come in the mail. That's a
great feeling. It's an interesting feeling. You're gonna enjoy it, I'm promise
(38:52):
you. But John, where canpeople find you if they want to talk
more to you? People can findme on mostly on Instagram. That's where
I do my clue stuff. It'sbeen a little slow lately while I'm recording
the audiobook, but yeah, lookfor me on Instagram. Cluebook one.
Somebody sold cluebook but Cluebook one numberone afterwards, that's the best place to
(39:15):
find me. I'm on other socialmedia that you can find me there,
but I'm really random. You'll hearabout Clue or the Boston Red Sox,
or food or politics or something.So just Instagram's best, Instagram's Best,
and you can find the documentary WhoDone It? Via Clue Documentary available on
Screenbox, Amazon Prime or wherever youcan rent your videos. I'm sure and
(39:36):
at Clue dot dot com. Youcan find me on all social media.
At Brad Gilmour, there's been minuteforty seven Clue movie and we'll be back
next week with minute forty eight food. Oh, how can we possibly find
(41:00):
out which of you did it?What do you mean which of you did
it well? I didn't do itwell. One of us did. We
all had the opportunity, We allhad a motor, great spore of the
share. Maybe it wasn't one ofus. Who else grew to beat?
Who else is in the house?Don't it looks cool? All of those
characters are searching for a murderer andClue the comic mystery with three endings.
(41:21):
We'll tell you whether any one ofthem is worth seeing. Out at the
Movies the Movie review Program, I'mJean Cisco. Film critic of the Chicago
Tribune, and I'm Roger Ebert,film critic of the Chicago Sun Times.
And let's also talk about whether thebeginning of Clue is worth seeing. Well,
let's go all the way. Let'stalk about the middle. Let's talk
about the middle too. Our nextfilm is based on the forty year old
board game Clue, and it startstalking a very funny way with a whole
(41:43):
bunch of characters are sumbling in amansion. All have familiar names, Miss
Scarlett, Missus White, Colonel Mustard, all taken from the board game.
They all share the same secret.They're all being blackmailed by the same man.
You. I too, am beingblackmails for something I didn't do.
Me too, and me now donot being blackmailed? Oh I'm being blackmailed,
all right, but I did.But I'm being blackmailed for what did
(42:06):
you do? Well, to beperfectly frank, I'm on a specialized hotel
in a telephone service which provides gentlemenwith the company of a young lady for
a short while. Oh yeah,what's the phone number? So how did
you know Colonel Mustard works in Washington? Is he one of your clients?
Certainly not. I was asking thisscarlet. Will you tell him it's not
true. It's not true. That'strue, that's not true. Ah,
(42:28):
so it is true. A doublenegative? Double negative? You mean you
have photographs? That sounds like aconfession to me. In fact, that
double negative has led to proof positive. I'm afraid you gave yourself away.
Are you trying to make me lookstupid in front of the other guests?
Lending any help from me? That'sright as long as the talented cast is
cracking one liner. This clue waskind of fun, but the verbal gags
asked for less than half the film. Is that funny? I see,
(42:51):
that's why he was lying on hisback in his company. I didn't kill
him, then why are you payingthe blackmailer? I don't want a scandal,
do We had had a very amiliatingpublic confrontation. He was deranged,
he was lunatic. He didn't actuallyseem to like me very much. He
had threatened to kill me in public. Why would he want to kill you
in public? I think she meanthe'd threatened in public to kill her?
(43:13):
Well, was that his final wordon the matter? Being killed is pretty
final? Wouldn't you say? Andyet he was the one who died.
Not you, is his wife?Not you? What did he do for
a living? He was a scientist, nuclear physics. What was he liked?
He was always rather stupidly optimistic man. And I I'm afraid he became
was a great shock to him whenhe died. But he was found dead
(43:35):
at Home's head had been cut offand so had his You know, I
had been out all evening at themovies. Do you miss him? What's
a matter of life after death?Now that he said, I have a
life? Some pretty funny gags there, and that one about the crossing of
her legs that is a classic.Now, after those gags, early in
the film, there's a murder,and that's where the movie falls apartners All
(43:59):
the characters begin running around the mansionand as they were mice in a maze.
And then there's the matter of thefilm's ending. It has been well
advertised by Paramount Pictures that three differentendings about lasting about three minutes apiece,
were filmed for this movie, revealingthree different murderers. We'll think about it.
If we know that walking into themovie, then we really can't get
too excited about guessing who done it? Because think about it, literally,
(44:21):
anybody could have done it, andanybody did do it. Three different people
did do it, and that cutsthe heart out of the tension of a
mystery. Now, either Paramount shouldhave showed all three endings as they did
the critics, or better yet,simply strengthen the script and picked the best
murder ending of all. Either goto admit, or just to do all
three endings. Because since you're rightit doesn't matter who did it, then
why we only get one person whodid it? I thought it was kind
(44:44):
of clever that the same facts fitthree different guilty parties, and so it
would be fun to see all three. I'll bet that's what they do with
the video cassette. They're going tohave to throw all three endings, and
what are you gonna do buy threecassettes or to find out, when he
didn't care in the first place,who did it? I will say this,
I've seen all three endings that thecritics got to do at the public
didn't, and the theaters are markedA, B and C where they're playing
A paramount doesn't want me to dothis, but okay, so let's both
(45:07):
of us and do what it wantsthe best ending. I think the funniest
ending is a I agree, what'sthe best. So go to the theater
if you go at all, andI don't know the way you should go
at all. And when a theater, stay away from the worst, which
is ce right. Hey, youare right to make it even easier.
Probably be best if you didn't goto this movie at all.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!