November 6, 2023 • 25 mins
Six blackmail victims are invited to an isolated mansion by a man who knows a dark secret from each of their pasts. On arrival, each is given a pseudonym drawn from Cluedo before being introduced to the blackmailer. Each is handed a weapon, at which point the lights are switched off and the blackmailer is killed. Can the guests uncover the murderer before they all become victims? Brad Gilmore and Jeff Smith have a lot in common. Both are huge fans of the 1985 movie Clue, and both have made significant contributions to the film's legacy. Brad is the author of Back from the Future: A Celebration of the Greatest Time Travel Story Ever Told, and Jeff is the director of Who Done It: A Clue Documentary. In their new podcast, Clue the Movie Podcast, Brad and Jeff watch the movie one minute at a time and break it down. Along the way, they share behind-the-scenes stories, trivia, and their own personal insights. Whether you're a diehard fan of Clue or you've never seen it before, Clue the Movie Podcast is a must-listen.
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Oh Bord, what have you donenow? Minute fifty four Happy November looks
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like a secret passage? Sure seewhere it leads. What the hell I'll
go first, I've had a goodlife. Oh god, everybody, welcome
(01:11):
back to Include the Movie podcast wherewe break down and I gave dot CoA
classic movie clothes. Hey, myname is Brad Gilmore, joined by Jeff
Smith, and we've enjoyed jumping overthe timeline these the last couple of weeks.
But now we are solidly in minutefifty four and we are seeing Miss
(01:34):
Scarlet and Colonel Mustard discover a secretpassage. Jeff, Yeah, what stands
out to you all Mustard, allScarlet for this minute? That's nice.
This is not I want to pointout that letslay have Warren and Martin Bull.
We're fabulous. This is not theonly thing they've done together. They
(01:56):
do. They have worked together sinceand they are actually very good friends in
real life. And I remember whenwe were when we had Miss Leslie and
Warren on the Clue the Movie podcast. She had remarked that Martin Bull had
called her or emailed her and said, are you getting a lot of talk
about Clue? Because why are peopletalking about Clue again all of a sudden,
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so they do talk her nickname forhim, She says in who done
with the Clue documentary is her telehubby? Because they tend to play a couple
a lot, and they are veryfun, so we got to enjoy them
for a full minute. Here theyare in the conservatory and they find the
secret passage to the lounge. I'mlooking forward to the shout release of Clue
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on four K because I think we'regoing to see a lot of details in
these rooms as they searched the house, particularly when we get to the attic
later. We'll definitely talk. I'dhave a feeling about some of the weird
things in the It's not a greatrecord of that episode order, but I
have a feeling we might talk aboutthat and also about what it meansful and
(03:08):
a movie drops. But I thinkin the conservatory too, you see some
fun details in there as well.And once it gets crystal clear, it's
going to be neat to see whatall the set design was. I think
they had a fun decorating this thesound stage for the for the Hill House
mansion. So few things here,A few things I want to hear in
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just a moment read to you theoriginal script of this scene, which I
actually find interesting. There are somedifferences, okay, but prior to then,
what is your stance on secret passages, as in pro or against?
Yeah, like if you were constructinga house from the ground up, Oh
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what, I build secret passages?Yes, heck yeah, And I can
see nothing wrong with secret passages.Well, I like being sneaky, and
that's the only reason I could thinkof that you would need us see.
I mean, it's called a secretpassage. It's not like it's a passage
for everybody to know about. It'ssecret, and it's very like Batman bat
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Cave. I would definitely have thekind where you took went to the library
the bookshelf and pulled the book thatone book like Adam's Family where it was
it had and it was like aclever title. Read that like, yeah,
greed was good. Or if itwould be like passages is the name
of it or something, or Iwould see I'm such a jerk that mine
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would say like this book is notfor a secret passage, because it is.
It would be don't pull this bookright, bless you. He's sneezing
and he's a professional and he justdid a sneeze silent. But I'm not
the professional broadcaster, so I wouldpoint it out. So I'm definitely pro
secret passage, and I'm sure youare too. I who would not be.
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I love a good secret passage.This is true. I've been accused
of it and it is accurate.Now hold on, okay, yeah,
but this is what wonderpulus dot orgsays about secret passage. If you're wondering
what the purposes of like old houseshaving secret passages, or allow me to
eliminate you, I better have somethingto do with booze. Throughout history,
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throughout history, all sorts of homeshave been built with secret passageways, hidden
rooms, and storage spaces out ofplain sight. For some people, the
reasons for those secret passages are practical. Perhaps they fear one day they will
need to hide from invaders, ormaybe they have valuables that they need a
secure storage spot for. For others, secret areas may be nothing more than
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a whimsical preference. After all,who wouldn't like to be able to use
a secret passageway to access a hiddenarea of a house? And who could
resist having a bookcase that moves toreveal a secret room. Here are some
examples of interesting school passageways. Sothey then they go to some famous people
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in what their secret passages were intheir rooms, which I guess aren't very
secret anymore. And I actually havenever heard of any of these people,
but let me read one. Inseventeen ten, Captain Jonathan Hunt built a
house in Northampton, Massachusetts, perhapswhere this movie takes place. He included
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a secret passage as a secret passagewayas a family hiding spot because he feared
from attacks from locals. Today,the house is a residence hall on the
campus of Smith College. Every year, college students enjoy searching for the secret
passageway. That's fun. It's fun. It's fun. Yeah, Okay,
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so there we go, There wego. That's a good one. Yeah.
I panic room. That's a That'swhat I think the modern day version
of it now is. But Iwould do it, yeah, just because
I can. Could they have notpicked a less aggressive name for panic room
than Panic Room. I think whenyou're panicking, you can't you don't have
time to be cute. But Isee what your point. Well, yeah,
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it wasn't gonna be like the fluffyunicorn. Uh, just chill room.
It could just be a panic room, the safe room. What about
the safe safe rooms good or likeyou're you're good room? Yeah, good,
good, good prep, good preparation. You you're you're right. It
could be the You're not paranoid room, because I bet when you're building it,
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people are like, they don't whothe ego on this person to think
that someone's gonna invade their home andwant to like get them. No,
but you're right because here you arelocked in your room and all the bad
guys are outside trying to get yourjewels. Right anyhow, Anyhow I want
to people that want to take meout, well, you know you're seeing
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me. You're very quote I'm doingside Phil Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
it's true. Wait a minute,what episode was that. It's well
that's what I think. It's Jerryand George and he's talking about the ego
on you to think that someone wantsto like murder you. Yeah, now
I always so when I go outand like, oh be careful. So
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first of all, they're gonna they'rejust disappointed. If they try to rob
me, they're not getting anything.You'd be like steal my identity. Go
ahead, joy doing clue the moviepodcast every week. You don't want to
be me, but uh yeah,no one's I don't have the ego to
think someone's going to like take meout There no street cred. Here's the
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here's the original script here, soit says interior conservatory. This is an
eerie look room in the dark.Big trees and plants make weird shapes and
shadows. But within a few moments, Colonel Mustard finds the light switch and
looks around. Colonel Mustard look,he points. We see a panel in
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the wall is slightly a jar.They cross into it. There are steps
down into it, into pitch darkness. Colonel Mustard, what's this? Miss
Scarlett? Looks like a secret passage. They look at each other nervously.
Miss Scarlett, shall we see whereit leads? Colonel Mustard, im game,
hang on, I saw a flashlightin the kitchen. He hurries out
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of the conservatory interior the hole.Mustard crosses the hole into the kitchen interior
kitchen. Colonel Mustard comes in andpicks a torch off a shelf. Okay,
picks up a torch off a shelf. INTI your conservatory. Miss Scarlett
is staring down the gaping hole inthe wall leading into the secret passage.
Colonel Mustard returns. They look ateach other, and then Colonel Mustard steps
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in. Colonel Mustard says, whatthe hell, I'll go first. I've
had a good life, Miss Scarlett. Colonel Mustard, I've done many bad
things in my life, but Iam not a multiple murderer. Colonel Mustard
disappearing. I hope not scene.Why would you say that if you were
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into a multiple murderer and multiple Howdoes she know there's only oh, there's
two people dead because they said,oh, yeah, you know. So
she's trying to reassure him go aheadin front of me. I will not
kill you. I'm not going tokill you. You're good. I'm not
I've done a lot of things,but I'm not interesting. I'm not a
multiple murderer. Ooh, interesting dialogue. Very specific, This is very wordy.
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This is almost like radio play,like hold on, I saw a
flashlight. I will be right back, and had to go all the way
to the kitchen. I'm guessing it'sto separate them again. So there's like,
what's she doing while he's gone?I guess, or maybe something will
happen to him on the way tothe kitchen. I think it's a wise
choice to just have the flashlight inthe Conservatory's very efficient. There's a few
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things here that I liked it theymade the change of because it just doesn't
make a lot of sense, andit just chews up screen time for him
to leave the conservatory, go intothe hall, go into the kitchen,
grab it, come back into theconservatory. It's clunky. I don't understand
that. The other thing that Ilike that they change I like that he
just doesn't flip a switch. Lightscome on and I immediately see the secret
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pass. Look, look, Isee this, it's a secrets there.
Yeah. Shall we go inside?Yeah? Hey, I want to say
before we go in, I havedone many things. Yeah. I didn't
like this. I like how ColonelMustard comes about it, very Colonel Mustardy.
It falls into it, falls intoit, yeah, and then tries
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to be cool play it off.Yeah. I wonder if they did rehearsal,
which is debatable depending on which acteryou talk to, how much of
it. Like, I wonder ifthey rehearsed with all the dialogue and then
just took a pin to it everyonce in a while, you know,
what it'd be. What's even better, we can actually be funny in this
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scene, because right now it's nota funny scene at all. Uh,
it's very boring. It's a littleclunky. It's a an excuse to get
to the secret passage, but ittakes a long time to get there.
So I wonder if you know,sometimes you hear when people are rewriting,
they'll look at a scene just byitself and say, Okay, how can
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we make this scene where not nothingfunny is happening? How do we make
this funny? Well, he couldfall and find the secret passage. Great,
that's what we'll do. I alsolike, though, in the actual
scene, how they turn the lightson but you still really can't see a
whole hell of a lot, Like, yeah, it illuminates the Yeah,
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there's just this lamp and you don'tit's everything's on the wall. Everything's wicker
and dusty and cobwebby. It's likea little sitting area over by the window
that's only glass. And the dogshave disappeared. Remember there were dogs out
there like an hour ago. Yeah, what happened at the dog? Mind
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the light? They don't mind thatthe light's been turned on. Yeah,
they just did, like mister body, I guess so. Yeah, the
dogs are gone. The dogs arereally gone. They we don't see them
again, even when the cop comes. Nah, motorists, No, they're
no more dogs. Now, whathappened to the dogs? I mean,
what happened? What happened to thedogs? We don't know that those dogs
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li they were chained. They werechained. Yeah, so where did they
go? How long is that changeit? I'm going to look to see
if it's answered in that email wegot from Bruce. It's not, but
we're about to get to Bruce herein a moment. Yeah. And then
yeah, but again, the rewritingof this scene or the reworking it out
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on the stage, whatever happened,was for the benefit of it, because
I like the clumsy nature of ColonelMustard. It's more apropos to who we
know of him as a character.He wouldn't be he wouldn't be so sleuthy
and detective like and immediately recognize aslight jar of a door that leads to
a secret passage. Yeah, andbrave and brave and to be like,
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hey, I and observant. Isaw the flashlight in the kitchen. Yeah,
b r B. That makes nosense. Now you mentioned we got
it. You mentioned we got anemail from Bruce. Why don't we get
into our message from Bruce, who'sone of our great listeners. Yes,
this is Bruce Eliason. He's reallygoing to be asked about another movie that
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a lot of Clue fans are alsofans of, because it's very similar and
I guess in tone and style,and also Eileen Brennan, who plays Missus
Peacock, is in this movie aswell. So Bruce says, hey,
guys really enjoy the podcast and waswondering if you can help me with a
question. Are you familiar with themovie Murder by Death? In it,
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there was a scene where Eileen Brennansays, I'm going to faint, you
catch me, and proceeds to fallon the floor. I have to believe
the similarities in the scene and theone in Clue can't just be a coincidence.
If you call the Clue fans,I'm sure you do. She faints,
Walsers tries to catch her, shefalls, he misses. So sorry.
I believe the similarities in the sceneand the one and clude can't just
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be a coincidence. Are you awareof anyone that might have been connected to
both movies, or is this doneas a tribute to that movie? So
Bruce wrote that, and then alittle bit later responds with John Hatch replied,
so, obviously Bruce really wanted toknow, and he went to all
the sources he could think of.Yes, And obviously John Hatch was a
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much faster response than me, whichI'm glad because he said. John Hatch
replied with a very all caps,very thorough answer, which I believe that
sounds just like John Hatch, heis the writer of the group, and
he says there is no connection.But I'm still curious if either of you
have seen Murder by Death and feelthere are similarities. Have you seen the
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movie murder by Death? I havenot seen Murder by Death. I feel
like this is a flaw in mymovie watching. This is something that's missed
that I need to definitely capitalize upon. Have you seen Murder by Death?
I have seen it. It hasbeen a long time since I've seen it
because I saw a clue before Murderby Death, and when I saw Murder
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by Death is similar that it's abunch of detectives going to as a comedy.
It's Neil Simon. It's a comedyabout detectives going to a big mansion
and a murder happens and they haveto solve the crime. So that's the
similarity. It's a much sillier movieand the tone is much different. It
breaks the fourth wall and it hasI have to mention because everybody always does
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a performance by Peter Sellers that hasnot aged well where he plays an Asian
detective and he is not in factAsian, and it's very over the top,
but it's kind of his version ofa Charlie Chan kind of character.
That being said, Eileen Brennan isin it, and so is Peter Fock,
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who I love. Well. Waitlistening to this cast here, I
pulled up the cast here. Thisis I mean again, I have not
seen the movie and so I cannotspeak to its goodness or badness or depictions
of any characters, but I canread the cast. Peter Falk awesome,
Peter Seller's regrettable, I guess characterportrayal, but normally awesome. A great
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actor, Aileen Brennan amazing, AlecGuinness, Obi Wan Kenoba is a blind
butler. How about Truman Capoti isin this movie. Yes, David Niven
elsa ambcaster, Maggie Smith is inthe movie. James James Cromwell is in
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this movie. I mean, whata cast. Oh it's amazing if you
watch it, kind of like ifyou with you know, it's great.
We've come as far as we have. But sometimes you watch things. I
know I'm guilty of this. You'llwatch something that it's so over the top
bad and so inappropriate that you laughand shake your head at the same time
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think if you do that and justkind of all right, yeah, that's
we wouldn't do that now. Butjust you know, sometimes you have to
watch a movie and you can go, oh boy, okay. And that's
kind of what Murdered by Death was. Again, I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it with my twentytwenty three, so I don't know,
but I would I remember liking it. But going back to what I was
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saying, I saw Clu first,so Murder by Death to me felt like
not Clue. So I don't knowwhy I decided I needed to choose between
one and the other. It's kindof like growing up, I either you
watch Seinfeld or Home Improvement. Iwas Seinfeld so or Seinfeld and friends,
and I was Sidefeld and but Iyou know, you don't have to be
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that way. Nobody has to bethat way. But I but a lot
of people that like Clue, likemurdered by Death, and I should I
should watch it again, and youshould watch it first. But I also
have to watch The Phantom, whichI still haven't seen. The Phantom is
phenomenal. And now I will sayI will say this, I've not seen
this movie. I kind of wantto see this movie, and I have
two things on it. Though Iknow John Hatch said there's no correlation,
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and I tend to believe him.But also it's so starkly similar that it's
hard to imagine this wasn't a smallillusion, illusion not illusion to the movie.
It's hard for me to believe that'snot related because there's so many overlapping
things. Right. It's a murdermystery comedy in an old mansion. Eileen
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Brennan is in both. She doesthat pratt fall in like a trust fall
that goes wrong in both. Ithink that they're tipping the cap there,
even if nobody remembers it, itjust has to be you would think at
least Aileen Brenda would say, youknow what, nine years ago, I
was at a movie that did thisexact same joke at the very least,
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or she or she you know what, she could have been the one to
suggest it unless it was in thescript. It probably was in the script.
Actually it's a pretty yeah, solidjoke. It's just it would be
amazing coincidence that it's the exact sameactress without so much scenario. Right,
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Yeah, but John Hatch says no, and John Hatch has never lied to
me. Yeah, And then thisbook is out now. By the way,
everybody, John Hatch, what thetime you're hearing this, by the
time, by the time this thisepisode drops, John Hatch's book has dropped.
Yes, and I have in themiddle of reading it right now.
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Yeah, as right now we're hereand I have finished it. What do
you mean murder Clue and I makeit of a cult classic. Yeah,
you got yours early. I haven't. I haven't gotten mine yet. I
did, and I totally abused thatthat wonderful gift by not finishing it.
Well. I do want to saythis. I do want to say this
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about Murder by Death, a littlefun easter egg that I'm going to maybe
see one day. In the televisionedit of the movie, which contains footage
not released theatrically nor on home vis, Keith McConnell and Richard Peel appear at
the end of the film as SherlockHolmes and doctor Watson, so it's part
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of the Sherlock Holmes universe. Universemy death is anything can be now they
are public domain. We can makea Sherlock Holmes movie right now. Will
Ferrell could. He shouldn't, butWill Ferrell could make a Sherlock Holmes movie.
Good. I'm sure if he does, everything will be fine. This
episode is being recorded ten years ago. Oh well, I don't have anything
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else from this minute unless you do. No, I'm excited to hear the
next minute because if you do notremember Cluvians, we recorded the next minute
two minutes ago. So again,you are gonna hear references to it being
close to Halloween. You're gonna hearreferences to the anniversary of who Done at
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the Clue documentary premiere, and you'regoing to hear no references to anything that
we've said in the last two minutes, although you're gonna probably hear moments now.
I would be curious to listen toit, and here are moments of
us being confused about what happened inthe last two minutes because we didn't just
watch it, and it might belike, what did they go down the
secret passage? Did they go downthe secret passage? It did right?
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Right? Did we get there?I'm not sure made I guess, I
don't know. We're forgetting well forJeff Smith Clue dot dot com. I'm
Brad Gilmour, and we will seeyou in the past, President future in
the next minute here on Clue.The movie assass
Oh Bord, what have you donenow? Minute fifty four Happy November looks
(00:35):
like a secret passage? Sure seewhere it leads. What the hell I'll
go first, I've had a goodlife. Oh god, everybody, welcome
(01:11):
back to Include the Movie podcast wherewe break down and I gave dot CoA
classic movie clothes. Hey, myname is Brad Gilmore, joined by Jeff
Smith, and we've enjoyed jumping overthe timeline these the last couple of weeks.
But now we are solidly in minutefifty four and we are seeing Miss
(01:34):
Scarlet and Colonel Mustard discover a secretpassage. Jeff, Yeah, what stands
out to you all Mustard, allScarlet for this minute? That's nice.
This is not I want to pointout that letslay have Warren and Martin Bull.
We're fabulous. This is not theonly thing they've done together. They
(01:56):
do. They have worked together sinceand they are actually very good friends in
real life. And I remember whenwe were when we had Miss Leslie and
Warren on the Clue the Movie podcast. She had remarked that Martin Bull had
called her or emailed her and said, are you getting a lot of talk
about Clue? Because why are peopletalking about Clue again all of a sudden,
(02:19):
so they do talk her nickname forhim, She says in who done
with the Clue documentary is her telehubby? Because they tend to play a couple
a lot, and they are veryfun, so we got to enjoy them
for a full minute. Here theyare in the conservatory and they find the
secret passage to the lounge. I'mlooking forward to the shout release of Clue
(02:46):
on four K because I think we'regoing to see a lot of details in
these rooms as they searched the house, particularly when we get to the attic
later. We'll definitely talk. I'dhave a feeling about some of the weird
things in the It's not a greatrecord of that episode order, but I
have a feeling we might talk aboutthat and also about what it meansful and
(03:08):
a movie drops. But I thinkin the conservatory too, you see some
fun details in there as well.And once it gets crystal clear, it's
going to be neat to see whatall the set design was. I think
they had a fun decorating this thesound stage for the for the Hill House
mansion. So few things here,A few things I want to hear in
(03:30):
just a moment read to you theoriginal script of this scene, which I
actually find interesting. There are somedifferences, okay, but prior to then,
what is your stance on secret passages, as in pro or against?
Yeah, like if you were constructinga house from the ground up, Oh
(03:53):
what, I build secret passages?Yes, heck yeah, And I can
see nothing wrong with secret passages.Well, I like being sneaky, and
that's the only reason I could thinkof that you would need us see.
I mean, it's called a secretpassage. It's not like it's a passage
for everybody to know about. It'ssecret, and it's very like Batman bat
(04:15):
Cave. I would definitely have thekind where you took went to the library
the bookshelf and pulled the book thatone book like Adam's Family where it was
it had and it was like aclever title. Read that like, yeah,
greed was good. Or if itwould be like passages is the name
of it or something, or Iwould see I'm such a jerk that mine
(04:38):
would say like this book is notfor a secret passage, because it is.
It would be don't pull this bookright, bless you. He's sneezing
and he's a professional and he justdid a sneeze silent. But I'm not
the professional broadcaster, so I wouldpoint it out. So I'm definitely pro
secret passage, and I'm sure youare too. I who would not be.
(05:00):
I love a good secret passage.This is true. I've been accused
of it and it is accurate.Now hold on, okay, yeah,
but this is what wonderpulus dot orgsays about secret passage. If you're wondering
what the purposes of like old houseshaving secret passages, or allow me to
eliminate you, I better have somethingto do with booze. Throughout history,
(05:26):
throughout history, all sorts of homeshave been built with secret passageways, hidden
rooms, and storage spaces out ofplain sight. For some people, the
reasons for those secret passages are practical. Perhaps they fear one day they will
need to hide from invaders, ormaybe they have valuables that they need a
secure storage spot for. For others, secret areas may be nothing more than
(05:51):
a whimsical preference. After all,who wouldn't like to be able to use
a secret passageway to access a hiddenarea of a house? And who could
resist having a bookcase that moves toreveal a secret room. Here are some
examples of interesting school passageways. Sothey then they go to some famous people
(06:14):
in what their secret passages were intheir rooms, which I guess aren't very
secret anymore. And I actually havenever heard of any of these people,
but let me read one. Inseventeen ten, Captain Jonathan Hunt built a
house in Northampton, Massachusetts, perhapswhere this movie takes place. He included
(06:34):
a secret passage as a secret passagewayas a family hiding spot because he feared
from attacks from locals. Today,the house is a residence hall on the
campus of Smith College. Every year, college students enjoy searching for the secret
passageway. That's fun. It's fun. It's fun. Yeah, Okay,
(06:57):
so there we go, There wego. That's a good one. Yeah.
I panic room. That's a That'swhat I think the modern day version
of it now is. But Iwould do it, yeah, just because
I can. Could they have notpicked a less aggressive name for panic room
than Panic Room. I think whenyou're panicking, you can't you don't have
time to be cute. But Isee what your point. Well, yeah,
(07:20):
it wasn't gonna be like the fluffyunicorn. Uh, just chill room.
It could just be a panic room, the safe room. What about
the safe safe rooms good or likeyou're you're good room? Yeah, good,
good, good prep, good preparation. You you're you're right. It
could be the You're not paranoid room, because I bet when you're building it,
(07:44):
people are like, they don't whothe ego on this person to think
that someone's gonna invade their home andwant to like get them. No,
but you're right because here you arelocked in your room and all the bad
guys are outside trying to get yourjewels. Right anyhow, Anyhow I want
to people that want to take meout, well, you know you're seeing
(08:07):
me. You're very quote I'm doingside Phil Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
it's true. Wait a minute,what episode was that. It's well
that's what I think. It's Jerryand George and he's talking about the ego
on you to think that someone wantsto like murder you. Yeah, now
I always so when I go outand like, oh be careful. So
(08:31):
first of all, they're gonna they'rejust disappointed. If they try to rob
me, they're not getting anything.You'd be like steal my identity. Go
ahead, joy doing clue the moviepodcast every week. You don't want to
be me, but uh yeah,no one's I don't have the ego to
think someone's going to like take meout There no street cred. Here's the
(08:52):
here's the original script here, soit says interior conservatory. This is an
eerie look room in the dark.Big trees and plants make weird shapes and
shadows. But within a few moments, Colonel Mustard finds the light switch and
looks around. Colonel Mustard look,he points. We see a panel in
(09:13):
the wall is slightly a jar.They cross into it. There are steps
down into it, into pitch darkness. Colonel Mustard, what's this? Miss
Scarlett? Looks like a secret passage. They look at each other nervously.
Miss Scarlett, shall we see whereit leads? Colonel Mustard, im game,
hang on, I saw a flashlightin the kitchen. He hurries out
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of the conservatory interior the hole.Mustard crosses the hole into the kitchen interior
kitchen. Colonel Mustard comes in andpicks a torch off a shelf. Okay,
picks up a torch off a shelf. INTI your conservatory. Miss Scarlett
is staring down the gaping hole inthe wall leading into the secret passage.
Colonel Mustard returns. They look ateach other, and then Colonel Mustard steps
(10:01):
in. Colonel Mustard says, whatthe hell, I'll go first. I've
had a good life, Miss Scarlett. Colonel Mustard, I've done many bad
things in my life, but Iam not a multiple murderer. Colonel Mustard
disappearing. I hope not scene.Why would you say that if you were
(10:22):
into a multiple murderer and multiple Howdoes she know there's only oh, there's
two people dead because they said,oh, yeah, you know. So
she's trying to reassure him go aheadin front of me. I will not
kill you. I'm not going tokill you. You're good. I'm not
I've done a lot of things,but I'm not interesting. I'm not a
multiple murderer. Ooh, interesting dialogue. Very specific, This is very wordy.
(10:46):
This is almost like radio play,like hold on, I saw a
flashlight. I will be right back, and had to go all the way
to the kitchen. I'm guessing it'sto separate them again. So there's like,
what's she doing while he's gone?I guess, or maybe something will
happen to him on the way tothe kitchen. I think it's a wise
choice to just have the flashlight inthe Conservatory's very efficient. There's a few
(11:11):
things here that I liked it theymade the change of because it just doesn't
make a lot of sense, andit just chews up screen time for him
to leave the conservatory, go intothe hall, go into the kitchen,
grab it, come back into theconservatory. It's clunky. I don't understand
that. The other thing that Ilike that they change I like that he
just doesn't flip a switch. Lightscome on and I immediately see the secret
(11:33):
pass. Look, look, Isee this, it's a secrets there.
Yeah. Shall we go inside?Yeah? Hey, I want to say
before we go in, I havedone many things. Yeah. I didn't
like this. I like how ColonelMustard comes about it, very Colonel Mustardy.
It falls into it, falls intoit, yeah, and then tries
(11:56):
to be cool play it off.Yeah. I wonder if they did rehearsal,
which is debatable depending on which acteryou talk to, how much of
it. Like, I wonder ifthey rehearsed with all the dialogue and then
just took a pin to it everyonce in a while, you know,
what it'd be. What's even better, we can actually be funny in this
(12:16):
scene, because right now it's nota funny scene at all. Uh,
it's very boring. It's a littleclunky. It's a an excuse to get
to the secret passage, but ittakes a long time to get there.
So I wonder if you know,sometimes you hear when people are rewriting,
they'll look at a scene just byitself and say, Okay, how can
(12:39):
we make this scene where not nothingfunny is happening? How do we make
this funny? Well, he couldfall and find the secret passage. Great,
that's what we'll do. I alsolike, though, in the actual
scene, how they turn the lightson but you still really can't see a
whole hell of a lot, Like, yeah, it illuminates the Yeah,
(13:00):
there's just this lamp and you don'tit's everything's on the wall. Everything's wicker
and dusty and cobwebby. It's likea little sitting area over by the window
that's only glass. And the dogshave disappeared. Remember there were dogs out
there like an hour ago. Yeah, what happened at the dog? Mind
(13:20):
the light? They don't mind thatthe light's been turned on. Yeah,
they just did, like mister body, I guess so. Yeah, the
dogs are gone. The dogs arereally gone. They we don't see them
again, even when the cop comes. Nah, motorists, No, they're
no more dogs. Now, whathappened to the dogs? I mean,
what happened? What happened to thedogs? We don't know that those dogs
(13:41):
li they were chained. They werechained. Yeah, so where did they
go? How long is that changeit? I'm going to look to see
if it's answered in that email wegot from Bruce. It's not, but
we're about to get to Bruce herein a moment. Yeah. And then
yeah, but again, the rewritingof this scene or the reworking it out
(14:03):
on the stage, whatever happened,was for the benefit of it, because
I like the clumsy nature of ColonelMustard. It's more apropos to who we
know of him as a character.He wouldn't be he wouldn't be so sleuthy
and detective like and immediately recognize aslight jar of a door that leads to
a secret passage. Yeah, andbrave and brave and to be like,
(14:26):
hey, I and observant. Isaw the flashlight in the kitchen. Yeah,
b r B. That makes nosense. Now you mentioned we got
it. You mentioned we got anemail from Bruce. Why don't we get
into our message from Bruce, who'sone of our great listeners. Yes,
this is Bruce Eliason. He's reallygoing to be asked about another movie that
(14:50):
a lot of Clue fans are alsofans of, because it's very similar and
I guess in tone and style,and also Eileen Brennan, who plays Missus
Peacock, is in this movie aswell. So Bruce says, hey,
guys really enjoy the podcast and waswondering if you can help me with a
question. Are you familiar with themovie Murder by Death? In it,
(15:13):
there was a scene where Eileen Brennansays, I'm going to faint, you
catch me, and proceeds to fallon the floor. I have to believe
the similarities in the scene and theone in Clue can't just be a coincidence.
If you call the Clue fans,I'm sure you do. She faints,
Walsers tries to catch her, shefalls, he misses. So sorry.
I believe the similarities in the sceneand the one and clude can't just
(15:35):
be a coincidence. Are you awareof anyone that might have been connected to
both movies, or is this doneas a tribute to that movie? So
Bruce wrote that, and then alittle bit later responds with John Hatch replied,
so, obviously Bruce really wanted toknow, and he went to all
the sources he could think of.Yes, And obviously John Hatch was a
(15:58):
much faster response than me, whichI'm glad because he said. John Hatch
replied with a very all caps,very thorough answer, which I believe that
sounds just like John Hatch, heis the writer of the group, and
he says there is no connection.But I'm still curious if either of you
have seen Murder by Death and feelthere are similarities. Have you seen the
(16:22):
movie murder by Death? I havenot seen Murder by Death. I feel
like this is a flaw in mymovie watching. This is something that's missed
that I need to definitely capitalize upon. Have you seen Murder by Death?
I have seen it. It hasbeen a long time since I've seen it
because I saw a clue before Murderby Death, and when I saw Murder
(16:48):
by Death is similar that it's abunch of detectives going to as a comedy.
It's Neil Simon. It's a comedyabout detectives going to a big mansion
and a murder happens and they haveto solve the crime. So that's the
similarity. It's a much sillier movieand the tone is much different. It
breaks the fourth wall and it hasI have to mention because everybody always does
(17:12):
a performance by Peter Sellers that hasnot aged well where he plays an Asian
detective and he is not in factAsian, and it's very over the top,
but it's kind of his version ofa Charlie Chan kind of character.
That being said, Eileen Brennan isin it, and so is Peter Fock,
(17:33):
who I love. Well. Waitlistening to this cast here, I
pulled up the cast here. Thisis I mean again, I have not
seen the movie and so I cannotspeak to its goodness or badness or depictions
of any characters, but I canread the cast. Peter Falk awesome,
Peter Seller's regrettable, I guess characterportrayal, but normally awesome. A great
(17:57):
actor, Aileen Brennan amazing, AlecGuinness, Obi Wan Kenoba is a blind
butler. How about Truman Capoti isin this movie. Yes, David Niven
elsa ambcaster, Maggie Smith is inthe movie. James James Cromwell is in
(18:19):
this movie. I mean, whata cast. Oh it's amazing if you
watch it, kind of like ifyou with you know, it's great.
We've come as far as we have. But sometimes you watch things. I
know I'm guilty of this. You'llwatch something that it's so over the top
bad and so inappropriate that you laughand shake your head at the same time
(18:41):
think if you do that and justkind of all right, yeah, that's
we wouldn't do that now. Butjust you know, sometimes you have to
watch a movie and you can go, oh boy, okay. And that's
kind of what Murdered by Death was. Again, I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it with my twentytwenty three, so I don't know,
but I would I remember liking it. But going back to what I was
(19:06):
saying, I saw Clu first,so Murder by Death to me felt like
not Clue. So I don't knowwhy I decided I needed to choose between
one and the other. It's kindof like growing up, I either you
watch Seinfeld or Home Improvement. Iwas Seinfeld so or Seinfeld and friends,
and I was Sidefeld and but Iyou know, you don't have to be
(19:30):
that way. Nobody has to bethat way. But I but a lot
of people that like Clue, likemurdered by Death, and I should I
should watch it again, and youshould watch it first. But I also
have to watch The Phantom, whichI still haven't seen. The Phantom is
phenomenal. And now I will sayI will say this, I've not seen
this movie. I kind of wantto see this movie, and I have
two things on it. Though Iknow John Hatch said there's no correlation,
(19:56):
and I tend to believe him.But also it's so starkly similar that it's
hard to imagine this wasn't a smallillusion, illusion not illusion to the movie.
It's hard for me to believe that'snot related because there's so many overlapping
things. Right. It's a murdermystery comedy in an old mansion. Eileen
(20:21):
Brennan is in both. She doesthat pratt fall in like a trust fall
that goes wrong in both. Ithink that they're tipping the cap there,
even if nobody remembers it, itjust has to be you would think at
least Aileen Brenda would say, youknow what, nine years ago, I
was at a movie that did thisexact same joke at the very least,
(20:41):
or she or she you know what, she could have been the one to
suggest it unless it was in thescript. It probably was in the script.
Actually it's a pretty yeah, solidjoke. It's just it would be
amazing coincidence that it's the exact sameactress without so much scenario. Right,
(21:03):
Yeah, but John Hatch says no, and John Hatch has never lied to
me. Yeah, And then thisbook is out now. By the way,
everybody, John Hatch, what thetime you're hearing this, by the
time, by the time this thisepisode drops, John Hatch's book has dropped.
Yes, and I have in themiddle of reading it right now.
(21:26):
Yeah, as right now we're hereand I have finished it. What do
you mean murder Clue and I makeit of a cult classic. Yeah,
you got yours early. I haven't. I haven't gotten mine yet. I
did, and I totally abused thatthat wonderful gift by not finishing it.
Well. I do want to saythis. I do want to say this
(21:48):
about Murder by Death, a littlefun easter egg that I'm going to maybe
see one day. In the televisionedit of the movie, which contains footage
not released theatrically nor on home vis, Keith McConnell and Richard Peel appear at
the end of the film as SherlockHolmes and doctor Watson, so it's part
(22:10):
of the Sherlock Holmes universe. Universemy death is anything can be now they
are public domain. We can makea Sherlock Holmes movie right now. Will
Ferrell could. He shouldn't, butWill Ferrell could make a Sherlock Holmes movie.
Good. I'm sure if he does, everything will be fine. This
episode is being recorded ten years ago. Oh well, I don't have anything
(22:33):
else from this minute unless you do. No, I'm excited to hear the
next minute because if you do notremember Cluvians, we recorded the next minute
two minutes ago. So again,you are gonna hear references to it being
close to Halloween. You're gonna hearreferences to the anniversary of who Done at
(22:56):
the Clue documentary premiere, and you'regoing to hear no references to anything that
we've said in the last two minutes, although you're gonna probably hear moments now.
I would be curious to listen toit, and here are moments of
us being confused about what happened inthe last two minutes because we didn't just
watch it, and it might belike, what did they go down the
secret passage? Did they go downthe secret passage? It did right?
(23:18):
Right? Did we get there?I'm not sure made I guess, I
don't know. We're forgetting well forJeff Smith Clue dot dot com. I'm
Brad Gilmour, and we will seeyou in the past, President future in
the next minute here on Clue.The movie assass
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