June 10, 2023 • 49 mins
Crash tells the story of Luis Meguel Salinas who is currently serving a life sentence in Pleasant Valley State Prison CA for attempted murder and gang enhancements.
This episode covers the first part of Luis’s second trial.
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These answers, but they're not gonnahesitate to shoot you periods. They're gonna
kill you without hesitation, if forfor a fraction of a second they feel
like the life is endangered. Looktill the man. No trouble. I
don't want to be man. Ijust want vibe big man like me.
No need for the telephone hide.I got too much in online. We
want rule the endnimal side, wrongmove, but they're gonna ride nor I
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saw my first trial ended in November, I think November twenty eight the trial
ended. So after that trial,you know, I thought that because I
got a hun injury, that Ishould go ahead and do a speedy trial,
all right, So I tell mylawyer, like I want to do
a speedy trial. I want togo back to trial, and we end
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up. So this happened at theend of November, so all of December,
all of January, all of favors. So within ninety days we go
back to trial. March sixteenth,they begin the trial. They start doing
the jury selection the whole day ofthe sixteenth. This is on a Thursday,
So the whole day of the sixteenththey're doing jury selection. Friday doing
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jury selection and then Monday, forthe majority of that day they finished with
the jury selection. So Monday,March twentieth is when the trial actually begins.
I'm gonna go a head and I'mgonna read you the DA's opening statement.
What he's telling the jury, tryingto convince them of, you know,
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might heal And you know, likeI said, this this is a
I mean, this is a verycompelling story. It's a very convincing story
because you know, everything looks itlooks one way, man, and it
points towards guilt, and I understandthat, but that's not the reality,
you know, But this is whatthe DA said. Good afternoon again,
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ladies and gentlemen. Let me introducemyself again. I know I never did.
The judge introduced me. My nameis Michael Jessic and I'm a Deputy
District Attorney here in the Los AngelesCounty and I represent the people of the
state. Attack. Look, yougo a little bit about this case,
only through what the charges that wereread to you and maybe a little bit
of the questions that you were askedduring voyor dire. Again, what the
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judge said to you. This isopening statement, and nothing I say is
evidence during this time. The onlyevidence you're going to hear is from the
witnesses, understand, And the reasonthat is is again, because we do
not testify. We just tell youwhat we believe the evidence is going to
show in this case. And sometimesI may say something an opening statement,
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and it's not exactly what the witnesssay. What they say is the evidence
the same if mister Lake choose togive an opening statement. This case goes
back to January twenty ninth, twothousand and five, at approximately three am.
And generally in these cases, whatI like to do is tell you
what you're going to hear in thecase, what evidence is going to be
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presented to you. This is agang case. You're going to hear all
about gang culture. You're going tohear from Officer Turner, who is a
gang expert. You're going to hearthat this is that this is the case
that the defendant is a member of. You're going to see numerous photos that
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were taking of the defendant showing histattoos that show his allegiance to the game.
And the reason I start off bysaying this about the gang evidence is
that the certain things that happen ingang cases don't always happen in other cases,
like, for instance, i'd beable to tell you what mister Williams
Toba, our first witness, isgoing to say in this case. Honestly,
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I have no idea what he's goingto say. Because of the penalties
for being a snitch in a gangcommunity and he is a member of the
Manasalapucha gang, I'm sure he'll admitto that. But the penalty of being
a snitch can be up to death. And what you're going to hear from
the gang officer is that someone whocomes into court and testifies against one of
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their gang members is a snitch onthe penalty of assault or death. And
something a little bit more surprising issomeone who gets shot at point blank range
that someone is trying to kill himwho is from a rival gang. If
someone comes in and testifies there fromthe gang, and you testify against someone
who tried to kill you in anothergang, you are still a snitch and
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the same penalties come from that.Because gangs don't snitch on each other.
Gang members handle their business on theirown. And this is what the evidence
is going to show in this case. What I can tell you is what
mister Towar told the police officers firstnight when he was shot, and a
couple of days later or the nextday when the detectives came to interview him
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in the hospital, And what you'regoing to hear is that mister Toward on
this night about three am needed tomove his car. He was outside with
a friend of his, Angel Ramosor Angel Rivas, he goes by both
names, and that they needed tomove the car. This actually a white
truck you're going to see that's uphere on this board. Mister Ramos didn't
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think that mister Tobar was going tobe able to pull the car into this
little spot. And Tobar said,no, no, I can handle it.
I can pull him too that spot, no problem. So he does
a quick U turn in the street. There are four twenty south Wimmer and
while he's in the car, afterhe makes the U turn, trying to
park to his car, he getsapproached by two individuals. Now, mister
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Toward has the unfortunate or he's unfortunateto be living in the middle of gang
territory, and he's a member ofMada Sawatucha, and so two individuals of
Poacher's card, and one of thoseindividuals speaks to him, I believe at
the passenger window, which I believemister Tobar will say was down at that
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time, and he asked him aquestion, where are you from? And
you're going to hear that. Whereare you from is about the scariest phrase
that you can hear in gang terms. It means what gang are you from?
And there are two only two answers. Officer Turner will tell you there's
nowhere, or you tell them whatgang you're actually from, and Officer Turner
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will tell you you might be sayingnowhere, and they've already decided you're a
gang member, so they're going todo what they're going to do either way.
And what mister Tobar says, hesays, furda Mada, which means
pure Mata, actually answers he's fromMata Sawatucha and tolls his gang sign at
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the guy. The defending at thatpoint says, fuck Mada backs up from
the car. I believe he says, you're disrespecting my hood. Fuck Mona
backs away and shoots into the windshield. Mister Towar will say the individual shot
twice, striking him once in thestomach. You'll see a picture of the
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victim with the scar while he wasin the hospital after he'd been sputraed up
and once in the hip area,in the left hip area as he was
seated here in the driver's seat.You're going to see that there is a
bullet hole here in the white truckin the windshield from where he was struck
in the stomach. Then you're alsogoing to see that there's a broken piece
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of plastic in the driver's side door. What significant about this is mister Tobar
assumed that he had been shot bythe same individual. When the officers came
to that location, they actually foundthe casing left at the scene, and
you'll hear that what a case heis. It shot out of a semi
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automatic fire room, and they alsofound a bullet that came out of this
door that was embedded here, camefrom two separate guns. You'll hear that
from scientific evidence there will basically happenthat night is that the defendant shot from
the front of the car. Theother individual who's with him shot from the
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side, And that makes sense howit came through his hip area and invaded
himself in the door. And whatyou're going to hear at that time.
What happened after mister Trolla was shotis that he drove away real quickly and
drove away from the scene. Whatyou're also going to here is that down
in this area, close to fourtwenty South Whitmer is Good Sumerican Hospital,
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and there were two separate sets ofpolice officers who were in the parking lot
a Good Samaritan Hospital at three amin the morning, and they heard these
gunshots and they immediately ran to theircars. One officer, Bomingez, will
say that he actually while his partnerran to go get the car, he
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ran up to see if he couldsee anyone coming off the Whitner or any
of the streets coming off to theWest sixth Street. His partner picked him
up, they went up Whitner.The other two officers went up a separate
street. You're going to hear thatthe first two officers, Officer Abner and
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his partner, were going up oneof the other streets and they see a
car swerving, a white truck,and they pull up. They pull that
truck. They pull that car over, not knowing if it's involved in the
shooting. They say they see agunshot or a bullet hole in the windshield
of that truck. So they goto pull the car over order the occupant
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out, which is mister Tower,not knowing that he had been shot.
And at some point he also saysand get out, I'm shot, and
they rush over and render aid tohim and call for an ambulance. Well,
at the same time, Alster Domingusand his partner are driving up Wimmer
and they happen to see, asyou're driving up a car that blacked out.
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This car right here, a brownishCadillac, no headlights on, driving
slowly towards the top of Whimmer.So they pull up behind this car and
they follow behind them, and theynotice two individuals at the car. Car
crosses over in main Street. Theystay with it, not doing anything.
The headlights come on, and atone point that car pulls over I believe
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in this area here second Street,and stops. At that point Alster Domingus,
he'll give you the exact details ofwhat happened that night. They turn
on their lights to have the car, have the car actually pull over a
stop so they can investigate if thiscar was involved in the shooting, and
at that moment, boom, thechases on that car takes off. They'll
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say the driver turned Bola, looksbehind them, receive the two officers,
and then takes off in that car. Then they go on a high speed
pursuit all over the streets and thehills here in this area, coming down
Crown Hill down Colombia, where thatcar makes a U turn and come straight
back out at the officers. You'regoing to hear that officer Dominguez, who
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was in the passenger seat of thatcar, was so fearful that they were
either going to take fire or we'regoing to get rammed that he put his
feet up on the snashboard, hadhis gun drawn to fire in case that
car started firing at them, andhe said, at the last second,
his partner jerked the wheel so thatthe brown Cadillac wouldn't hit them or head
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on. They're able to turn thecar around, lost sight briefly, but
caught up to the car and wentthrough this high speed chase, going through
multiple stop signs, red lights,getting airborne at certain times. Were finally
here as the car tried to enterthe freeway up getting sideways, couldn't make
the freeway entrance, ended up onfollow alto crossed over Glendale and hit straight
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on into a telephone ball because hecouldn't make the turn. The chase is
over. However, you're going tohear that the defendant from him it wasn't
over passengers paintings, and the carcan't get out. The defendant gets out
and starts yelling at the officers,fuck you dog, fuck you dog.
That starts taking off his clothes andthrowing them down and takes a fighting position,
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and the officers eventually had to forcefullytake him into custody. At that
scene, you're going to hear whenthey searched the car, they don't find
either of the guns that were used. You're going to hear that there was
a hample time for those guns tobe hidden anywhere in that area, which
is getting area territory or tossed fromthe car that was being driven. However,
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what they did find is a trunkfull of Redmonton umc for four miningum
bullets, and what you're going tohear they were ninety two bullets found strewn
about in that trunk. And whenyou're going to hear that when the officers
came back to four twenty Southwomen again, one of the items that they found
on the scene and it's you'll seeit up close, and it's depicted sure
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in this picture. And they nin UMC for four magnum cartridge tasting and
when you look at the two identicalthose found inside the trunk again two boxes
of fifty missing eight from that boxone found at the scene. The officers
bring the defending back. They haveto hurry to get back because it looks
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like mister Tawar is dying at thatpoint. Paramedics wanted to take him away
as soon as possible because he's takena gunshot to the abdomen. When they
bring him back, they tell him, we want you to look at someone
tell us whether he is or heisn't involved in this case. And they
read him in admonition. They'll tellyou what that admonition is. When they
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opened the door to the back ofthe ambulance, mister Toward looks at the
defendant and says, that's him.That's the motherfucker who showed me. The
next day the police go to interview. Then the next day the police go
to interview Rona, who was onto detectives goes to the hospital to interview
mister Toward. Mister Tolwar says,I want nothing to do with this case.
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I just want to be left alone. I just want to go home
and be with my family. Ialready identified the person who shot me when
I was in the back of theambulance. You don't need me anymore.
Just leave me alone. And you'regoing to hear that his cooperation pretty much
ended at that point in the case. And again, ladies and gentlemen,
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that is the case in an USshow. Won't be a very long case,
be done in about two days,but pay attention closely to the details,
and at the end of the trialthere should be no doubt in your
mind. There's definitely no reasonable doubtthat the defendant is nothing but guilty of
it kind of attempted, thank you. You know, the DA, he
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has this compelling story, man,and like I said, it sounds very
good, very convincing, But there'sa lot of holes in it that that
my lawyer could have easily, youknow, exploited. But because the lawyer
wasn't really trying to do his joband we weren't, we really didn't do
nothing about it. Like the DAwas able to tell his story and the
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the lawyer didn't really crack no holesin it. So next is the my
attorney, mister Lake, his openingstatement, and this is what he had
to say, is uh, misterLake, yes, thank you. You're
again. As the judge has said, you're not to pay attention to anything
that we say because what we sayis not evidence, and questions we asked
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the witnesses are not evidence. Theargument that we get to make at the
end of the case are not evidence. Were really pretty much superfluous here,
but we don't think any of usbe able to resist the temptation to speak
to a captive audience. So I'mgoing to speak briefly to you the critical
case. The critical factor in thiscase is going to be whether you believe
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mister Tobart or not. Essentially,the prosecution is going to try and present
evidence to convince you that mister Towardis truthful when he first speaks to the
officers and in the likely event thathe's going to claim that he doesn't remember
what he said to the officers atthe time of the incident and at the
time he was interviewed at the hospitallater on by an investigating officer, that
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you should disbelieve him because of thethreats that he presumably or the danger that
he's presumably aware that he presumably awarethat he is in if he testifies against
anybody, my client or anybody else. I believe, however, that you're
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going to receive evidence to indicate thatmister Tolrah was simply not in any condition
to make identification a knife of theincident, first because he had suffered a
serious wound and was in considerable painand was being treated by paramedics. Second,
he was in the interior of aparamedics man some distance away from where
the defendant here was brought to bedisplayed to mister Toler, and was called
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by the police a field soul wherethey bring a suspect by himself illuminate him
either with their headlights or with flashlights. And I think you're going to hear
testimony in this case the officer,various officers used flashlights. The victim is
told ahead of time that this mayor may not be the suspect, and
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you're going to hear an officer testifythat he told mister Tolar head of time
that we have someone in custody.We're going to show him to you.
He may or may not be theperson that committed. This affect is we
are as interested in eliminated innocent suspectsas we are in capturing the guilty ones.
You're going to hear and I'll tellyou about that, But I think
you're also going to hear evidence that, besides the pain and the shock and
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everything that mister Tora was suffering asa result of this gunshot wounds, they're
also going to hear evidence from misterTower himself that he was drunk that evening
and it was that he does notremember anything about the shooting other than the
fact that paramedics game treated him andthat the next thing he remembers is being
in the hospital. They're also goingto hear conflicting evidence as to how this
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field show up was conducted. Ibelieve you're going to hear testimony from an
officer that indicates that the doors tothe paramedic van may have been closed during
the field show up procedure, andthat it may have been through windows in
the paramedic van that the defender wasto play to Miss Tower and the victim.
Also, I believe you're going tohear evidence to indicate that Miss Toger
they have described clothing to officers thatthis displament by Clara, mister Selina was
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not wearing the night of the incident. Also, I believe you're going to
hear evidence that's going to indicate thatmister Selena's was persplayed to mister Foger while
he was being treated by the paramedicshe in the van, that mister Selena's
was not wearing any clothes from hiswaist up. And I believe that I'm
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not going to be into any greatdetail about the additional evidence, but I
believe that after you have heard allof the evidence in this case, there's
going to be such a question inyour mind concerning so many inconsistencies and not
only mister Telbur's statements, but otherevidence as well, that you're going to
find it has not been proven toyou beyond a reasonable doubt that my CID
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committed this crime. Thank you.So that was it. That was his
opening statement. It was probably likemaybe five minutes long. And then they
called the first witness, which wasWilliam. William get some stand and they
start, you know, the BAstarts asking him if he remembers what happened
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that night. He asked him totell him l happened that night. So
William starts telling him that, youknow, he was moving his car and
that he was trying to fit intothis little partner space, but he couldn't
fit in the parking space. Sohis friend was like outside the truck signaling
him on you know, how tohow to parallel part And he said that
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two two guys went up to hisfriend. They went up to his friend
and start talking to his friend,and then one of the guys walked up
to William, went to passenger windowand signaled him to roll down his window.
So when when William reaches over tothe passenger's side door and rolls down
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the wind, the guy asked himwhere you from, and William tells him
and then he says that the guyjust said fuck Mona and pulls out.
He says that the guy pulls outdesigned and shoots him, and then that
he says he shoots him the firstturn and then he shoots him a second
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time. So he basically testifying thatonly Warren person shot him. And he
said that he tried to go intoreverse where he tried to speed away,
but the car went into reverse andthen that's when the guy shot him.
The second turn, and then hetook off and that's when he says that
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he circles the block and he goesback. He didn't realize he was shot,
he said, he didn't realize hewas shot. He didn't feel nothing,
and he circled the block because hethought about his friend. He wanted
to go make sure that his friendwas all right. So he circles around
and comes back to look for hisfriend. He doesn't see his friend,
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and well, he's making the turnonto a third and on third and Wimmer,
he's making a turn. That's whenthe officers get behind him and pull
him over, and they pull himover to the side and they draw their
guns and they're telling him to getout of the car. But that's when
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William says he realizes that he wasshot because he sees a gunpowder on his
shirt and he sees a little bitof blood and he can't he can't move.
He says, he can't move,he can't get out the car.
He yells out to the officers thathe had been shot. So then the
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officers, you know, run upto the truck and drag him out of
the truck and they're trying to tellhim to walk, but he says he
can't walk, so that one ofthe cops grabs him by the arm.
Yeah, it leads him over tothe sidewalk, and he says that he's
in a lot of pains, sohe just throws himself onto the floor.
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You know, he's kind of laidout, and he says he's like he
says that he's going in in amountof conscience. He says that they're waiting
for for a long time. They'rewaiting for a long time for the for
the ambulance. That these officers arebasically telling him that he's going to die,
and that he had asked the officershe could borrow the phones he could
call him m but the officers saidno and didn't have him use the phone,
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and that he was just basically thatthey weren't doing nothing. They weren't
trying, they weren't trying to helphim. They weren't trying them, they
weren't trying to do anything. Theywere just sitting there waiting for the ambulance,
and that the ambulance was taken forever. And then he says he will
remember what happened after He just rememberswaking up in the in the ambulance and
remembers telling them like to hurry upto take him to the hospital. He's
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in pain. And then they askedhim about him the following day or I
think it was a couple of dayslater, when the detectives come to to
see him in the hospital, andhe asked him if he made a statement
about how he told the detective thathe wanted nothing to do with the case
that he had already tested. Uh, he had already pointed out the shooter
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and that was it. He wantednothing else to do with it. And
he says, uh. He saysthat he doesn't remember saying any to any
of that stuff to to the officer. You know. He says he ain't
even remember. He says, hesays it never happened, you know.
So he keeps basically he's not tryingto really say nothing. You're not really
really trying to be cooperative, youknow. And they and they asked him,
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or why did why don't you wantto be part of this case?
And he says, because it's awaste of my time, because you know,
I have work, I'm losing myI'm losing money. You know,
I could be at work, rightnow because he can care my family.
So you could tell her he wasagitated with the with the officers, with
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the with thea you know, hegets there with his exam examination, right,
and then my lawyer gets understand.Now he doesn't get understand, but
he starts asking the victim the questions, right. So he goes back and
he starts asking them. Okay,like tell us what happened on that night,
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and William starts selling and okay,this is what happened. You know,
me and my friend were together andwe were drinking, and we're celebrating
my birthday. You know. Sowe're drinking and we're smoking, we're smoking
weed, we're smoking rock, we'rehaving a good time. We want to
get waste because you know, it'smy birthday. So he says that they
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ended up parking. They had ranas a beer and they had went to
to the start to get more beer, and when they came back, there
was no parking, so they left. They left the truck in the driveway
and the truck was blocking the entrance. I guess to the to the parking
lot. So they left the truckthere. They went back upstairs and they
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kept drinking, kept drinking. Andthen William says that he heard a car
hunting. So then he goes downstairsand they moved the car. So he
says, when they moved the car, that's when the one guy went up
to went up to his friend,and one guy went up to him,
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and that's when he says the guyhit him up and the guy shot him.
And he says that he didn't seethe guy's face because it was too
dark. It was too dark,so he couldn't see. And he says
he took off, and then hesays that he never he does not remember
ever talking to the pop and tellinghim what they're saying that he said.
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And so then my lawders trying tostick to the whole thing. Okay,
well, look, you're saying thatyou're salid burying your birthday. You're saying
that you know, you're drinking,you're you're getting hard. So my lawyer's
trying to put it into the jury'smind. Okay, if you're if you're
doing this right, if you're salidburling your birthday, if you're drinking and
getting harm, then obviously you're notgonna be You're not gonna be in the
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best condition like obviously you're not gonnabe a credible witness because if you're drunk
and you're you're not gonna be ableto see clearly, you're not gonna be
able to How are you gonna beable to point someone out? You know?
So that's what he's trying to puthim to the jury's head. They
go through the whole thing, youknow, that they're asking them about about
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everything that happened, right, whathappened with the ambulance, And he's telling
them that he just remembers waiting forthe ambulance and it was taking forever and
that he was in a lot ofpain, and that they finally came and
he thought he was gonna die,that they were gonna they were telling him
that he was gonna pretty much todie. So he just, uh,
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he was just remembers being in alot of pain and going to the ambulance.
And then he says that they askhim more, did you point anybody
out? And he says no,He said no, I didn't point nobody
out, and there pointing nobody out. So he's saying that he never seen
that, he never seen anybody,right that they told him, he said
he don't remember them telling them thatthey that they were going to bring somebody
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there, that they were gonna,uh to identify anybody. He's most of
his answers are basically seeing, Idon't remember. I don't remember. So
he's been he's been, uh,he's not really being real cooperative, right
because he doesn't want to be there. Then they asked me, why don't
you want to be here, andthen he says, because I don't want
to be here because you're wasting mytime. Like I got I got work,
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I got I got work, Igot my family. You know,
well, I got things to takecare of. You know, I told
you that I can't help. Ican't I can't identify nobody, so I
don't understand why I have to bethere. So that's why he's saying that
he's not he's not happy, andthat basically like the DD is forcing him
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to be there. So you know, they finished with with William and he
gets out the stand and then theycalled They called the officer I believe they
are. They called the officer oneof the officers that showed up at the
scene after after the pursuit that ended, he collected evidence, so they called
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him and they asked him, okayo, did you did you come? Did
you fall up to the kind ofscene? Did you collect this evidence?
And they asked him if he sawme, and they're like, no,
I never seen I never seen nobody. I just went to collect evidence.
So on the first time they hadcalled this officer Abner, Jason Abner,
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they called him to the stand andhe testified about, you know, pulling
over the victim. He testified toall that, about the whole infield shope
and all that stuff. But onthat first trial he contradicted what the other
officers said. He contradicted about theambulance stores being open, you know,
and about the life's being signed andall that stuff. He contradicts all that.
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So the DA chose not to callhim, and supposedly he was on
a vacation or some other stuff.Right, but my lawyer didn't bother calling
him on this second trial. Soinstead what they did was they took this
other top this cop that pretty muchall he was there to do was say,
yes, I collected evidence, youknow. So he just gets understand
it's real quick. He says thathe collected the evidence that he picked up,
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that he had picked up a bullet. Well, he didn't even do
it himself. He said that someoneelse gave it to him to inventory.
So he gets understand, my lawyerdeservely asked him any questions. So that's
real fast. And then the nextone that gets understand is I think it
was the Miguin Dominius, the pursuingofficer. He gets on the stand and
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he sits there and he says thathe was at the hospital because there was
a hospital down the street on sixthand A think Valencia. It is called
the good S American Hospital. Sohe gets on the stand and he says
that he was there with his partner, chopping off somebody right to the hospital,
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and that there's the parking lot inthe emergency room area drop off,
and that they heard a gun shot. So then the guy runs to the
street and he hears a second gunshot, and he looks up the street
and he doesn't see nothing, Sohe runs up a little bit and then
he sees he says, he seesa car that has no lights on leaving
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the area. And he's saying thatthe moment he heard the gun shot,
from the moment he heard the gunshots to the moment he runs up the
street is no more than thirty seconds, you know. So within thirty seconds,
he says that he hears two gunshots. He only heard two gun
shots. He runs up and hesees this car leaving the scene. So
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then he tells his partner to jumpin the car and pick him up.
So his partners gift the car anddrives up. He jumps in the car,
and that's when they start going upthe street. And he says that
they get behind my car and theystart they start following me, and then
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I turned a corner and I pulledover, and he says that I pulled
over that I look back at himand I see I see the cop car,
and then I take off and that'swhen the high speed chase starts,
all right. So he says thatwe went through this whole high speed chase.
And then he says that at onepoint that I lost control of the
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car and then I turned. Idid a you turn, and I started
going towards the police car. Andthen he says that he braced himself thinking
that he was going to get hit, so he pulled out his gun and
he was ready to shoot. Sohe's making it, you know, he's
making it look like, Okay,this guy's this dangerous guy. He's on
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the run, he's on this crazyhigh speed chase and stuff, you know,
saying that he feared for his life, so he thought he was gonna
have to shoot. So once heonce he does that, that's the prosecutor
asking him all these questions. Thenmy lorder gets understand and starts asking him
questions and starts asking him, youknow, like espacically the same stuff,
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you know, trying to get moremore of a detail, you know.
So that's when the whole Okay,how many gun shots did you hear?
How far apart was those gunshots?How long did it take you to go
from from the hospital in trench rightthere to the street, you know,
and how much time did it takeyou before you saw the parts of it?
He starts getting two more technical aboutexactly what he saw, and then
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he asked him, O, king, you said that you fear for your
life, so why didn't you shoot? You know? So the guy said,
I just braced myself, you know, thinking we're gonna get hit.
And he says, oh, ifit wasn't for my partner, she jerked
the wheel at the last second,otherwise we would have got hit. But
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you know, I'm sitting there listeningto this, and in my mind,
I'm like, man, that's straightablige right there. Because number one,
these officers they're not going to hesitateto shoot you. Period. They're gonna
kill you without hesitation, if forfor a fraction of a second they feel
like the life is a danuer,you know. And you could look back
and you could see all the incidentswhere these officers had killed hundreds of people
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no hesitation whatsoever. So I'm sittingthere thinking like, come on, man,
you're telling these people that you thoughtyou your life was in danger,
that you put your gun out andyou're gonna shoot me, but you dam
makes no sense, you know.So I'm trying to tell my lawyer,
like, look, man, askhim these other questions, like why didn't
you shoot me? Man, Like, you know, that's that's your number
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one response. If you're fear foryour life, you're gonna use your weapon,
you're gonna shoot. So you know, I'm telling my lawyer, Okay,
well you know, ask him thesequestions. You know. So he
did look there and he started askingthem to be more technical and stuff,
and I mean, there's really notmuch you could really say. You know,
there's not really much you can reallydo because you know, all this
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guy's really tachifying too, is thathe was that he chased me, that
there was a high speech chase andhe chased me. So that that was
also pretty quick, it was.It didn't take a whole lot of time
either. And they ended up callingthe next witness they ended up calling was
they called his DA, right,They called his DA to understand, and
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she was there to testify that shewas with the DA in the office and
they had talked to to the victimand that supposedly the victim had told him
that he didn't want to go tocourt, that he didn't want to testify,
that he was scared, right,and that uh, basically that he
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knew what time was, he knewthe program, that you know, he
didn't want to go to court.So I tell my lawyer, I said,
okay, we'll ask him one ofthe recordings, like, uh,
you know, because whenever you interviewsomebody in my understanding protocols, you recorded,
you know. And then that whatwe didn't have we didn't have no
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tape court, so we did recorder. So what we just asked the date
to step being so ship to bea witness, you know. So that
was there. That was their testimony. So now they're trying to put it
into the into the jury's mind,the same theory and the same theory,
like, hey man, this guydoesn't want to be in court. This
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guy doesn't want to point this guyout. Even though this guy shot him,
He doesn't want to say he shothim, you know. So they're
putting that into the jury's mind rightby bringing this this DA in saying that
she over her conversation. But theyhave no evidence of this conversation. They
have no proof of this conversation otherthan this other DA saying that she heard
it. So my lawyer gets understand, you know, what goes up and
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starts asking her, Okay, wellwhat exactually did this guy saying what exactually
happened? And when did it happen? And why wasn't there recording and you
know, trying to get to thetechnical stuff. But I say, I
mean, there's not really much.There's not really much to go there,
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you know. So he just askedthose questions, she asked for them,
and then that was it. Hertestimony was quick also, like all this
was fast, man, like withinone day we ran through I think three
witnesses. And then the next daycomes, you know, the next day
comes and and and they called,they called the gang expert. Didn't the
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do That takes pretty much the wholeentire day. Man, he gets understand
and he starts talking about the game, starts talking about what the gang is
and how, you know, hetries to give you a whole story about
gangs in general, and you know, the type of people that are in
gangs and the type of crimes thatgang members committed, and and how he's
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a professional, and how he wentto school and did these did these seminars,
and how he's credited as being anexpert on gangs. And he says
that he's been working Rampart Division sincenineteen ninety five on the then he's been
on the press unit. So thisguy was there during the whole Rampart crash
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scandal. This guy was there sincenineteen ninety five. You know, they
didn't make Rampart. They didn't getexposed until nineteen ninety eight, and they
didn't get they didn't get this disbandeduntil like two thousand and two thousand and
one. And this dude is therethis whole entire time. So you know,
this guy, he's talking about thewhole gangs and stuff, and then
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he starts talking about the Mexican monsia, talking about, oh yeah, the
gangs are controlled by the Mexican moms, feeling this and this, and that's
trying to put it into the intothe jury's mind you know, like,
yeah, these guys, and that'swhat he is man with with with any
game related case. And their wholething is to put fear into the jury's
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minds. You know, that's whatthey want. They want the jury to
be scared and to say, outof fear, to be like, let's
put these guys away forever. Youknow, they don't deserve no chance,
they don't deserve nothing. They gottabe they must be guilty or gang us.
You know what I'm saying. That'sthat's the whole, the whole reason
for doing that. So this dudestarts getting into um now, he starts
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getting into actually me, you know. And they asked him, how many
runnings have you had with with withSalinas and he's like, all that I
can recall four. So this dudehas been on rampart crash since nineteen ninety
five. This is two thousands,like ten years. You've been on this
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unit for ten years and he's onlyhad four runners with me that he can
think of. He has no evidence, he doesn't he doesn't put in evidence
saying like, look on this day, I stopped him on this day and
I stopped. He doesn't have noneof that. They don't present none of
that. He's just saying that forwhat he can recall four times. And
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then he says, in his opinionthat I was an active game number because
I admitted to him that I wasa gang member, right, And he
said I admitted to him recently,you know, and in my mind and
I was like, that's total bullshit, you know because number one, Now,
one single time that I ever hadany run ins with any police officer
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did I ever say, hey,hey, officer, I'm a game member.
I never admitted to being the gameto no officer. Nobody did.
Man, none of these GAG memberswould do that, you know, because
we knew that we're gonna be puton the game files, that they're gonna
put us on the system, andyou know, that pretty much fucks you
forever. And later on, youknow, later on, this actually came
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out. These officers got caught lyingputting putting these guys on these gang files,
and there was a big old lawsuit, you know, and they end
up exposing all this stuff. Soyou know that was their number one That
was like the number one thing tosay. Oh, he admitted to me
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that he's a game Remember that wasthe number one thing to say, man,
for every single time he admitted tome in bullshit. So this guy,
um, like I said, hestarts talking about me and he says
that in his opinion, you knowthat this hardcore game member, and you
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know that I'm active and in allthese things. But he doesn't have no
proof, Like he's not. He'snot understands saying what kinds I've committed?
Because my lawyer asked him? Orwhat kinds have you arrested him for?
He says none. Um, doyou know anyone any of your officers that
I have arrested him? He saysno. Do you know of any kind
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that he's been arrested for? Hesays no? So how are you saying
that this dude's an active game memberand you don't kind of know no evidence
of him being an active game memberother than you saying he admitted to you
that he's an active game member.And then he stays and he said,
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oh, well, it's because Iknow that he was. He was recently.
He was in h he was ina placement or something like that,
right, he didn't even know whatI was, where I was at and
was. But he's like, yeah, this guy, he just recently got
out what had already been out foralmost like a year and a half,
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a little bit over a year anda half, you know, because I
got out in two thousand and threefrom from Juvenea Hall, So I had
been out and that whole entire timethat I've been out, you know,
that's when I had stopped messing around. I guess I got away from that.
So these guys had never arrested mefor nothing. But this guy's understands
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saying that I'm just active game member, you know. And then that's when
he starts talking about the Mexican Muffield. He's saying that the Mexican musfil control
everything, that that the game membershad tried to the Mexican monfield, and
that if you don't fall in linewith the Mexican monfield rules, that you're
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subject to being killed and that toput a green light on you. So
he's putting all this stuff into thejury's minds about you know, this Mexican
monfield, which has nothing to dowith my case whatsoever, you know,
but he's putting it all out thereto make sure that the jury looks at
me like, I'm this horrible person, it's horrible human being that you know,
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I don't deserve no chance for squiber. So this dude, I'm telling
he takes the whole pretty much thewhole day man on his testimony alone.
So by the end of the bythe end of the day, we're done.
He's not actually he's not even donetestifying on that day. They actually
come back the next day then hetestifies again. You know, they're it
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up the hand of it because theDA wanted to ask the more questions.
After my lawyer asking questions, thed want to ask more questions. So
the next day they ask them morequestions. Well, basically, his whole
testimony was that I'm this active gameand version you know that that I'm bringing
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them up and doing all this stuff. That's his testimony. So the next
witness they call is this ballistic expert, the guy who does he does the
forensics, the testing on the onthe bullet. So this guy, I
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should let me back up because onthe officer that I have said that God
understands testified about putting evidence, likeputting a catalogy evidence stuff. So this
guy he he had actually, uh, he looked at the bullets, right,
because he found some bullets in thetrunk, right, he found two
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boxes bullets in the trunk. Sothe DA gives them the bullets, right,
he gives them the boxes the bullets, and he tells them, Hey,
are these the bullets that you found? And the guy's like yes,
And then he tells them look atthem. Are they all the same or
these all the same bullets? Andhe looks at them. He says yes,
they're all the same. So thiswas like two days prior, right,
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So this guy says that every singlebullet in that box is identical.
They're all the same. So fastforward to this guy the bullettic Acper.
So the bulliszer anper. He's thereto testify about the bullets, about the
bullets and all that, right,So first they asked him, okay,
did you do a test to determinethe caliber of the bullet that is in
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evidence and he says, yes,he says that he him and this other
guy did the initial test. Butthe other guy, right, So there
was actually two tests that they thatthey did. Right, the very first
test that they did, they saidthat the bullet most likely was from a
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ten millimeter up to a forty millimeter. That was the first test that they
did. And in the first trial, you know, they used that and
it didn't look good because it's notwhat the DA wanted the day wanted them
to say. It was a fortyfour. Right. So the first trial,
the guy gets understanding says, orcheater a ten millimeter more than likely,
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it's a ten millimeter up to aforty right. So now that here
comes the second trial. Right,So the first guy all of a sudden
heat on vacation, right, hecan't come to court, right, he
can't testify. So now they gotthis other guy, right, So because
these other guy's being court testifying,he does a new test. Now that
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he does a new test, Ohyes, it's a forty four. Yeah,
yeah, it's more than likely it'sforty four. Right, So the
first test gets toned out. Thisnew guy comes in, you know,
and he said, oh yeah,no, it's it's a forty four.
And so he's talking about the test, right, He's like, oh yeah,
the first guy, you know,Me and him, we get the
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test together and we said that itcould be more than likely a ten millimeter
up to a forty millimeter. Butthat guy's on vacation, so I had
to step in, so I hadto do a new test. And with
this new test, the DA gaveme a bullet casing. So because the
bullet casing is from a forty four, now I'm saying that more likely it's
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got to be a forty four.Book, So he basically changed him.
The only reason that he changed hismind, it's because they gave him a
casing, right, Not because scientificallyproving that this bullet is the size of
a forty four or or it's thesame as a forty four. No actual
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physical evidence showing that this bullet isa forty four. No, because the
DA game a forty four shell casing. Now he's saying, oh yeah,
and more likely it is a fortyfour. That's the only reason. Can
you mind came? Is test FID. Look, I'm telling man, no
trouble. I don't want to beman. I just won't vibe big man
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like me. No need for thetelephone hide. I've got too much game
online. We won't rule the Denimo'sside wrong move up, but they're gonna
ride. No need for the telephonehide nah, No need for its losing
big whip by slide. I'm cruisingbig chicken side. No truth the better.
What y'all butterfla can Judea says
These answers, but they're not gonnahesitate to shoot you periods. They're gonna
kill you without hesitation, if forfor a fraction of a second they feel
like the life is endangered. Looktill the man. No trouble. I
don't want to be man. Ijust want vibe big man like me.
No need for the telephone hide.I got too much in online. We
want rule the endnimal side, wrongmove, but they're gonna ride nor I
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saw my first trial ended in November, I think November twenty eight the trial
ended. So after that trial,you know, I thought that because I
got a hun injury, that Ishould go ahead and do a speedy trial,
all right, So I tell mylawyer, like I want to do
a speedy trial. I want togo back to trial, and we end
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up. So this happened at theend of November, so all of December,
all of January, all of favors. So within ninety days we go
back to trial. March sixteenth,they begin the trial. They start doing
the jury selection the whole day ofthe sixteenth. This is on a Thursday,
So the whole day of the sixteenththey're doing jury selection. Friday doing
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jury selection and then Monday, forthe majority of that day they finished with
the jury selection. So Monday,March twentieth is when the trial actually begins.
I'm gonna go a head and I'mgonna read you the DA's opening statement.
What he's telling the jury, tryingto convince them of, you know,
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might heal And you know, likeI said, this this is a
I mean, this is a verycompelling story. It's a very convincing story
because you know, everything looks itlooks one way, man, and it
points towards guilt, and I understandthat, but that's not the reality,
you know, But this is whatthe DA said. Good afternoon again,
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ladies and gentlemen. Let me introducemyself again. I know I never did.
The judge introduced me. My nameis Michael Jessic and I'm a Deputy
District Attorney here in the Los AngelesCounty and I represent the people of the
state. Attack. Look, yougo a little bit about this case,
only through what the charges that wereread to you and maybe a little bit
of the questions that you were askedduring voyor dire. Again, what the
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judge said to you. This isopening statement, and nothing I say is
evidence during this time. The onlyevidence you're going to hear is from the
witnesses, understand, And the reasonthat is is again, because we do
not testify. We just tell youwhat we believe the evidence is going to
show in this case. And sometimesI may say something an opening statement,
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and it's not exactly what the witnesssay. What they say is the evidence
the same if mister Lake choose togive an opening statement. This case goes
back to January twenty ninth, twothousand and five, at approximately three am.
And generally in these cases, whatI like to do is tell you
what you're going to hear in thecase, what evidence is going to be
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presented to you. This is agang case. You're going to hear all
about gang culture. You're going tohear from Officer Turner, who is a
gang expert. You're going to hearthat this is that this is the case
that the defendant is a member of. You're going to see numerous photos that
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were taking of the defendant showing histattoos that show his allegiance to the game.
And the reason I start off bysaying this about the gang evidence is
that the certain things that happen ingang cases don't always happen in other cases,
like, for instance, i'd beable to tell you what mister Williams
Toba, our first witness, isgoing to say in this case. Honestly,
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I have no idea what he's goingto say. Because of the penalties
for being a snitch in a gangcommunity and he is a member of the
Manasalapucha gang, I'm sure he'll admitto that. But the penalty of being
a snitch can be up to death. And what you're going to hear from
the gang officer is that someone whocomes into court and testifies against one of
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their gang members is a snitch onthe penalty of assault or death. And
something a little bit more surprising issomeone who gets shot at point blank range
that someone is trying to kill himwho is from a rival gang. If
someone comes in and testifies there fromthe gang, and you testify against someone
who tried to kill you in anothergang, you are still a snitch and
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the same penalties come from that.Because gangs don't snitch on each other.
Gang members handle their business on theirown. And this is what the evidence
is going to show in this case. What I can tell you is what
mister Towar told the police officers firstnight when he was shot, and a
couple of days later or the nextday when the detectives came to interview him
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in the hospital, And what you'regoing to hear is that mister Toward on
this night about three am needed tomove his car. He was outside with
a friend of his, Angel Ramosor Angel Rivas, he goes by both
names, and that they needed tomove the car. This actually a white
truck you're going to see that's uphere on this board. Mister Ramos didn't
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think that mister Tobar was going tobe able to pull the car into this
little spot. And Tobar said,no, no, I can handle it.
I can pull him too that spot, no problem. So he does
a quick U turn in the street. There are four twenty south Wimmer and
while he's in the car, afterhe makes the U turn, trying to
park to his car, he getsapproached by two individuals. Now, mister
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Toward has the unfortunate or he's unfortunateto be living in the middle of gang
territory, and he's a member ofMada Sawatucha, and so two individuals of
Poacher's card, and one of thoseindividuals speaks to him, I believe at
the passenger window, which I believemister Tobar will say was down at that
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time, and he asked him aquestion, where are you from? And
you're going to hear that. Whereare you from is about the scariest phrase
that you can hear in gang terms. It means what gang are you from?
And there are two only two answers. Officer Turner will tell you there's
nowhere, or you tell them whatgang you're actually from, and Officer Turner
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will tell you you might be sayingnowhere, and they've already decided you're a
gang member, so they're going todo what they're going to do either way.
And what mister Tobar says, hesays, furda Mada, which means
pure Mata, actually answers he's fromMata Sawatucha and tolls his gang sign at
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the guy. The defending at thatpoint says, fuck Mada backs up from
the car. I believe he says, you're disrespecting my hood. Fuck Mona
backs away and shoots into the windshield. Mister Towar will say the individual shot
twice, striking him once in thestomach. You'll see a picture of the
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victim with the scar while he wasin the hospital after he'd been sputraed up
and once in the hip area,in the left hip area as he was
seated here in the driver's seat.You're going to see that there is a
bullet hole here in the white truckin the windshield from where he was struck
in the stomach. Then you're alsogoing to see that there's a broken piece
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of plastic in the driver's side door. What significant about this is mister Tobar
assumed that he had been shot bythe same individual. When the officers came
to that location, they actually foundthe casing left at the scene, and
you'll hear that what a case heis. It shot out of a semi
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automatic fire room, and they alsofound a bullet that came out of this
door that was embedded here, camefrom two separate guns. You'll hear that
from scientific evidence there will basically happenthat night is that the defendant shot from
the front of the car. Theother individual who's with him shot from the
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side, And that makes sense howit came through his hip area and invaded
himself in the door. And whatyou're going to hear at that time.
What happened after mister Trolla was shotis that he drove away real quickly and
drove away from the scene. Whatyou're also going to here is that down
in this area, close to fourtwenty South Whitmer is Good Sumerican Hospital,
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and there were two separate sets ofpolice officers who were in the parking lot
a Good Samaritan Hospital at three amin the morning, and they heard these
gunshots and they immediately ran to theircars. One officer, Bomingez, will
say that he actually while his partnerran to go get the car, he
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ran up to see if he couldsee anyone coming off the Whitner or any
of the streets coming off to theWest sixth Street. His partner picked him
up, they went up Whitner.The other two officers went up a separate
street. You're going to hear thatthe first two officers, Officer Abner and
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his partner, were going up oneof the other streets and they see a
car swerving, a white truck,and they pull up. They pull that
truck. They pull that car over, not knowing if it's involved in the
shooting. They say they see agunshot or a bullet hole in the windshield
of that truck. So they goto pull the car over order the occupant
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out, which is mister Tower,not knowing that he had been shot.
And at some point he also saysand get out, I'm shot, and
they rush over and render aid tohim and call for an ambulance. Well,
at the same time, Alster Domingusand his partner are driving up Wimmer
and they happen to see, asyou're driving up a car that blacked out.
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This car right here, a brownishCadillac, no headlights on, driving
slowly towards the top of Whimmer.So they pull up behind this car and
they follow behind them, and theynotice two individuals at the car. Car
crosses over in main Street. Theystay with it, not doing anything.
The headlights come on, and atone point that car pulls over I believe
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in this area here second Street,and stops. At that point Alster Domingus,
he'll give you the exact details ofwhat happened that night. They turn
on their lights to have the car, have the car actually pull over a
stop so they can investigate if thiscar was involved in the shooting, and
at that moment, boom, thechases on that car takes off. They'll
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say the driver turned Bola, looksbehind them, receive the two officers,
and then takes off in that car. Then they go on a high speed
pursuit all over the streets and thehills here in this area, coming down
Crown Hill down Colombia, where thatcar makes a U turn and come straight
back out at the officers. You'regoing to hear that officer Dominguez, who
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was in the passenger seat of thatcar, was so fearful that they were
either going to take fire or we'regoing to get rammed that he put his
feet up on the snashboard, hadhis gun drawn to fire in case that
car started firing at them, andhe said, at the last second,
his partner jerked the wheel so thatthe brown Cadillac wouldn't hit them or head
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on. They're able to turn thecar around, lost sight briefly, but
caught up to the car and wentthrough this high speed chase, going through
multiple stop signs, red lights,getting airborne at certain times. Were finally
here as the car tried to enterthe freeway up getting sideways, couldn't make
the freeway entrance, ended up onfollow alto crossed over Glendale and hit straight
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on into a telephone ball because hecouldn't make the turn. The chase is
over. However, you're going tohear that the defendant from him it wasn't
over passengers paintings, and the carcan't get out. The defendant gets out
and starts yelling at the officers,fuck you dog, fuck you dog.
That starts taking off his clothes andthrowing them down and takes a fighting position,
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and the officers eventually had to forcefullytake him into custody. At that
scene, you're going to hear whenthey searched the car, they don't find
either of the guns that were used. You're going to hear that there was
a hample time for those guns tobe hidden anywhere in that area, which
is getting area territory or tossed fromthe car that was being driven. However,
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what they did find is a trunkfull of Redmonton umc for four miningum
bullets, and what you're going tohear they were ninety two bullets found strewn
about in that trunk. And whenyou're going to hear that when the officers
came back to four twenty Southwomen again, one of the items that they found
on the scene and it's you'll seeit up close, and it's depicted sure
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in this picture. And they nin UMC for four magnum cartridge tasting and
when you look at the two identicalthose found inside the trunk again two boxes
of fifty missing eight from that boxone found at the scene. The officers
bring the defending back. They haveto hurry to get back because it looks
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like mister Tawar is dying at thatpoint. Paramedics wanted to take him away
as soon as possible because he's takena gunshot to the abdomen. When they
bring him back, they tell him, we want you to look at someone
tell us whether he is or heisn't involved in this case. And they
read him in admonition. They'll tellyou what that admonition is. When they
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opened the door to the back ofthe ambulance, mister Toward looks at the
defendant and says, that's him.That's the motherfucker who showed me. The
next day the police go to interview. Then the next day the police go
to interview Rona, who was onto detectives goes to the hospital to interview
mister Toward. Mister Tolwar says,I want nothing to do with this case.
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I just want to be left alone. I just want to go home
and be with my family. Ialready identified the person who shot me when
I was in the back of theambulance. You don't need me anymore.
Just leave me alone. And you'regoing to hear that his cooperation pretty much
ended at that point in the case. And again, ladies and gentlemen,
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that is the case in an USshow. Won't be a very long case,
be done in about two days,but pay attention closely to the details,
and at the end of the trialthere should be no doubt in your
mind. There's definitely no reasonable doubtthat the defendant is nothing but guilty of
it kind of attempted, thank you. You know, the DA, he
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has this compelling story, man,and like I said, it sounds very
good, very convincing, But there'sa lot of holes in it that that
my lawyer could have easily, youknow, exploited. But because the lawyer
wasn't really trying to do his joband we weren't, we really didn't do
nothing about it. Like the DAwas able to tell his story and the
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the lawyer didn't really crack no holesin it. So next is the my
attorney, mister Lake, his openingstatement, and this is what he had
to say, is uh, misterLake, yes, thank you. You're
again. As the judge has said, you're not to pay attention to anything
that we say because what we sayis not evidence, and questions we asked
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the witnesses are not evidence. Theargument that we get to make at the
end of the case are not evidence. Were really pretty much superfluous here,
but we don't think any of usbe able to resist the temptation to speak
to a captive audience. So I'mgoing to speak briefly to you the critical
case. The critical factor in thiscase is going to be whether you believe
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mister Tobart or not. Essentially,the prosecution is going to try and present
evidence to convince you that mister Towardis truthful when he first speaks to the
officers and in the likely event thathe's going to claim that he doesn't remember
what he said to the officers atthe time of the incident and at the
time he was interviewed at the hospitallater on by an investigating officer, that
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you should disbelieve him because of thethreats that he presumably or the danger that
he's presumably aware that he presumably awarethat he is in if he testifies against
anybody, my client or anybody else. I believe, however, that you're
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going to receive evidence to indicate thatmister Tolrah was simply not in any condition
to make identification a knife of theincident, first because he had suffered a
serious wound and was in considerable painand was being treated by paramedics. Second,
he was in the interior of aparamedics man some distance away from where
the defendant here was brought to bedisplayed to mister Toler, and was called
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by the police a field soul wherethey bring a suspect by himself illuminate him
either with their headlights or with flashlights. And I think you're going to hear
testimony in this case the officer,various officers used flashlights. The victim is
told ahead of time that this mayor may not be the suspect, and
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you're going to hear an officer testifythat he told mister Tolar head of time
that we have someone in custody.We're going to show him to you.
He may or may not be theperson that committed. This affect is we
are as interested in eliminated innocent suspectsas we are in capturing the guilty ones.
You're going to hear and I'll tellyou about that, But I think
you're also going to hear evidence that, besides the pain and the shock and
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everything that mister Tora was suffering asa result of this gunshot wounds, they're
also going to hear evidence from misterTower himself that he was drunk that evening
and it was that he does notremember anything about the shooting other than the
fact that paramedics game treated him andthat the next thing he remembers is being
in the hospital. They're also goingto hear conflicting evidence as to how this
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field show up was conducted. Ibelieve you're going to hear testimony from an
officer that indicates that the doors tothe paramedic van may have been closed during
the field show up procedure, andthat it may have been through windows in
the paramedic van that the defender wasto play to Miss Tower and the victim.
Also, I believe you're going tohear evidence to indicate that Miss Toger
they have described clothing to officers thatthis displament by Clara, mister Selina was
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not wearing the night of the incident. Also, I believe you're going to
hear evidence that's going to indicate thatmister Selena's was persplayed to mister Foger while
he was being treated by the paramedicshe in the van, that mister Selena's
was not wearing any clothes from hiswaist up. And I believe that I'm
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not going to be into any greatdetail about the additional evidence, but I
believe that after you have heard allof the evidence in this case, there's
going to be such a question inyour mind concerning so many inconsistencies and not
only mister Telbur's statements, but otherevidence as well, that you're going to
find it has not been proven toyou beyond a reasonable doubt that my CID
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committed this crime. Thank you.So that was it. That was his
opening statement. It was probably likemaybe five minutes long. And then they
called the first witness, which wasWilliam. William get some stand and they
start, you know, the BAstarts asking him if he remembers what happened
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that night. He asked him totell him l happened that night. So
William starts telling him that, youknow, he was moving his car and
that he was trying to fit intothis little partner space, but he couldn't
fit in the parking space. Sohis friend was like outside the truck signaling
him on you know, how tohow to parallel part And he said that
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two two guys went up to hisfriend. They went up to his friend
and start talking to his friend,and then one of the guys walked up
to William, went to passenger windowand signaled him to roll down his window.
So when when William reaches over tothe passenger's side door and rolls down
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the wind, the guy asked himwhere you from, and William tells him
and then he says that the guyjust said fuck Mona and pulls out.
He says that the guy pulls outdesigned and shoots him, and then that
he says he shoots him the firstturn and then he shoots him a second
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time. So he basically testifying thatonly Warren person shot him. And he
said that he tried to go intoreverse where he tried to speed away,
but the car went into reverse andthen that's when the guy shot him.
The second turn, and then hetook off and that's when he says that
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he circles the block and he goesback. He didn't realize he was shot,
he said, he didn't realize hewas shot. He didn't feel nothing,
and he circled the block because hethought about his friend. He wanted
to go make sure that his friendwas all right. So he circles around
and comes back to look for hisfriend. He doesn't see his friend,
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and well, he's making the turnonto a third and on third and Wimmer,
he's making a turn. That's whenthe officers get behind him and pull
him over, and they pull himover to the side and they draw their
guns and they're telling him to getout of the car. But that's when
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William says he realizes that he wasshot because he sees a gunpowder on his
shirt and he sees a little bitof blood and he can't he can't move.
He says, he can't move,he can't get out the car.
He yells out to the officers thathe had been shot. So then the
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officers, you know, run upto the truck and drag him out of
the truck and they're trying to tellhim to walk, but he says he
can't walk, so that one ofthe cops grabs him by the arm.
Yeah, it leads him over tothe sidewalk, and he says that he's
in a lot of pains, sohe just throws himself onto the floor.
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You know, he's kind of laidout, and he says he's like he
says that he's going in in amountof conscience. He says that they're waiting
for for a long time. They'rewaiting for a long time for the for
the ambulance. That these officers arebasically telling him that he's going to die,
and that he had asked the officershe could borrow the phones he could
call him m but the officers saidno and didn't have him use the phone,
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and that he was just basically thatthey weren't doing nothing. They weren't
trying, they weren't trying to helphim. They weren't trying them, they
weren't trying to do anything. Theywere just sitting there waiting for the ambulance,
and that the ambulance was taken forever. And then he says he will
remember what happened after He just rememberswaking up in the in the ambulance and
remembers telling them like to hurry upto take him to the hospital. He's
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in pain. And then they askedhim about him the following day or I
think it was a couple of dayslater, when the detectives come to to
see him in the hospital, andhe asked him if he made a statement
about how he told the detective thathe wanted nothing to do with the case
that he had already tested. Uh, he had already pointed out the shooter
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and that was it. He wantednothing else to do with it. And
he says, uh. He saysthat he doesn't remember saying any to any
of that stuff to to the officer. You know. He says he ain't
even remember. He says, hesays it never happened, you know.
So he keeps basically he's not tryingto really say nothing. You're not really
really trying to be cooperative, youknow. And they and they asked him,
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or why did why don't you wantto be part of this case?
And he says, because it's awaste of my time, because you know,
I have work, I'm losing myI'm losing money. You know,
I could be at work, rightnow because he can care my family.
So you could tell her he wasagitated with the with the officers, with
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the with thea you know, hegets there with his exam examination, right,
and then my lawyer gets understand.Now he doesn't get understand, but
he starts asking the victim the questions, right. So he goes back and
he starts asking them. Okay,like tell us what happened on that night,
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and William starts selling and okay,this is what happened. You know,
me and my friend were together andwe were drinking, and we're celebrating
my birthday. You know. Sowe're drinking and we're smoking, we're smoking
weed, we're smoking rock, we'rehaving a good time. We want to
get waste because you know, it'smy birthday. So he says that they
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ended up parking. They had ranas a beer and they had went to
to the start to get more beer, and when they came back, there
was no parking, so they left. They left the truck in the driveway
and the truck was blocking the entrance. I guess to the to the parking
lot. So they left the truckthere. They went back upstairs and they
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kept drinking, kept drinking. Andthen William says that he heard a car
hunting. So then he goes downstairsand they moved the car. So he
says, when they moved the car, that's when the one guy went up
to went up to his friend,and one guy went up to him,
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and that's when he says the guyhit him up and the guy shot him.
And he says that he didn't seethe guy's face because it was too
dark. It was too dark,so he couldn't see. And he says
he took off, and then hesays that he never he does not remember
ever talking to the pop and tellinghim what they're saying that he said.
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And so then my lawders trying tostick to the whole thing. Okay,
well, look, you're saying thatyou're salid burying your birthday. You're saying
that you know, you're drinking,you're you're getting hard. So my lawyer's
trying to put it into the jury'smind. Okay, if you're if you're
doing this right, if you're salidburling your birthday, if you're drinking and
getting harm, then obviously you're notgonna be You're not gonna be in the
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best condition like obviously you're not gonnabe a credible witness because if you're drunk
and you're you're not gonna be ableto see clearly, you're not gonna be
able to How are you gonna beable to point someone out? You know?
So that's what he's trying to puthim to the jury's head. They
go through the whole thing, youknow, that they're asking them about about
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everything that happened, right, whathappened with the ambulance, And he's telling
them that he just remembers waiting forthe ambulance and it was taking forever and
that he was in a lot ofpain, and that they finally came and
he thought he was gonna die,that they were gonna they were telling him
that he was gonna pretty much todie. So he just, uh,
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he was just remembers being in alot of pain and going to the ambulance.
And then he says that they askhim more, did you point anybody
out? And he says no,He said no, I didn't point nobody
out, and there pointing nobody out. So he's saying that he never seen
that, he never seen anybody,right that they told him, he said
he don't remember them telling them thatthey that they were going to bring somebody
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there, that they were gonna,uh to identify anybody. He's most of
his answers are basically seeing, Idon't remember. I don't remember. So
he's been he's been, uh,he's not really being real cooperative, right
because he doesn't want to be there. Then they asked me, why don't
you want to be here, andthen he says, because I don't want
to be here because you're wasting mytime. Like I got I got work,
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I got I got work, Igot my family. You know,
well, I got things to takecare of. You know, I told
you that I can't help. Ican't I can't identify nobody, so I
don't understand why I have to bethere. So that's why he's saying that
he's not he's not happy, andthat basically like the DD is forcing him
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to be there. So you know, they finished with with William and he
gets out the stand and then theycalled They called the officer I believe they
are. They called the officer oneof the officers that showed up at the
scene after after the pursuit that ended, he collected evidence, so they called
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him and they asked him, okayo, did you did you come? Did
you fall up to the kind ofscene? Did you collect this evidence?
And they asked him if he sawme, and they're like, no,
I never seen I never seen nobody. I just went to collect evidence.
So on the first time they hadcalled this officer Abner, Jason Abner,
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they called him to the stand andhe testified about, you know, pulling
over the victim. He testified toall that, about the whole infield shope
and all that stuff. But onthat first trial he contradicted what the other
officers said. He contradicted about theambulance stores being open, you know,
and about the life's being signed andall that stuff. He contradicts all that.
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So the DA chose not to callhim, and supposedly he was on
a vacation or some other stuff.Right, but my lawyer didn't bother calling
him on this second trial. Soinstead what they did was they took this
other top this cop that pretty muchall he was there to do was say,
yes, I collected evidence, youknow. So he just gets understand
it's real quick. He says thathe collected the evidence that he picked up,
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that he had picked up a bullet. Well, he didn't even do
it himself. He said that someoneelse gave it to him to inventory.
So he gets understand, my lawyerdeservely asked him any questions. So that's
real fast. And then the nextone that gets understand is I think it
was the Miguin Dominius, the pursuingofficer. He gets on the stand and
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he sits there and he says thathe was at the hospital because there was
a hospital down the street on sixthand A think Valencia. It is called
the good S American Hospital. Sohe gets on the stand and he says
that he was there with his partner, chopping off somebody right to the hospital,
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and that there's the parking lot inthe emergency room area drop off,
and that they heard a gun shot. So then the guy runs to the
street and he hears a second gunshot, and he looks up the street
and he doesn't see nothing, Sohe runs up a little bit and then
he sees he says, he seesa car that has no lights on leaving
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the area. And he's saying thatthe moment he heard the gun shot,
from the moment he heard the gunshots to the moment he runs up the
street is no more than thirty seconds, you know. So within thirty seconds,
he says that he hears two gunshots. He only heard two gun
shots. He runs up and hesees this car leaving the scene. So
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then he tells his partner to jumpin the car and pick him up.
So his partners gift the car anddrives up. He jumps in the car,
and that's when they start going upthe street. And he says that
they get behind my car and theystart they start following me, and then
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I turned a corner and I pulledover, and he says that I pulled
over that I look back at himand I see I see the cop car,
and then I take off and that'swhen the high speed chase starts,
all right. So he says thatwe went through this whole high speed chase.
And then he says that at onepoint that I lost control of the
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car and then I turned. Idid a you turn, and I started
going towards the police car. Andthen he says that he braced himself thinking
that he was going to get hit, so he pulled out his gun and
he was ready to shoot. Sohe's making it, you know, he's
making it look like, Okay,this guy's this dangerous guy. He's on
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the run, he's on this crazyhigh speed chase and stuff, you know,
saying that he feared for his life, so he thought he was gonna
have to shoot. So once heonce he does that, that's the prosecutor
asking him all these questions. Thenmy lorder gets understand and starts asking him
questions and starts asking him, youknow, like espacically the same stuff,
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you know, trying to get moremore of a detail, you know.
So that's when the whole Okay,how many gun shots did you hear?
How far apart was those gunshots?How long did it take you to go
from from the hospital in trench rightthere to the street, you know,
and how much time did it takeyou before you saw the parts of it?
He starts getting two more technical aboutexactly what he saw, and then
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he asked him, O, king, you said that you fear for your
life, so why didn't you shoot? You know? So the guy said,
I just braced myself, you know, thinking we're gonna get hit.
And he says, oh, ifit wasn't for my partner, she jerked
the wheel at the last second,otherwise we would have got hit. But
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you know, I'm sitting there listeningto this, and in my mind,
I'm like, man, that's straightablige right there. Because number one,
these officers they're not going to hesitateto shoot you. Period. They're gonna
kill you without hesitation, if forfor a fraction of a second they feel
like the life is a danuer,you know. And you could look back
and you could see all the incidentswhere these officers had killed hundreds of people
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no hesitation whatsoever. So I'm sittingthere thinking like, come on, man,
you're telling these people that you thoughtyou your life was in danger,
that you put your gun out andyou're gonna shoot me, but you dam
makes no sense, you know.So I'm trying to tell my lawyer,
like, look, man, askhim these other questions, like why didn't
you shoot me? Man, Like, you know, that's that's your number
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one response. If you're fear foryour life, you're gonna use your weapon,
you're gonna shoot. So you know, I'm telling my lawyer, Okay,
well you know, ask him thesequestions. You know. So he
did look there and he started askingthem to be more technical and stuff,
and I mean, there's really notmuch you could really say. You know,
there's not really much you can reallydo because you know, all this
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guy's really tachifying too, is thathe was that he chased me, that
there was a high speech chase andhe chased me. So that that was
also pretty quick, it was.It didn't take a whole lot of time
either. And they ended up callingthe next witness they ended up calling was
they called his DA, right,They called his DA to understand, and
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she was there to testify that shewas with the DA in the office and
they had talked to to the victimand that supposedly the victim had told him
that he didn't want to go tocourt, that he didn't want to testify,
that he was scared, right,and that uh, basically that he
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knew what time was, he knewthe program, that you know, he
didn't want to go to court.So I tell my lawyer, I said,
okay, we'll ask him one ofthe recordings, like, uh,
you know, because whenever you interviewsomebody in my understanding protocols, you recorded,
you know. And then that whatwe didn't have we didn't have no
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tape court, so we did recorder. So what we just asked the date
to step being so ship to bea witness, you know. So that
was there. That was their testimony. So now they're trying to put it
into the into the jury's mind,the same theory and the same theory,
like, hey man, this guydoesn't want to be in court. This
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guy doesn't want to point this guyout. Even though this guy shot him,
He doesn't want to say he shothim, you know. So they're
putting that into the jury's mind rightby bringing this this DA in saying that
she over her conversation. But theyhave no evidence of this conversation. They
have no proof of this conversation otherthan this other DA saying that she heard
it. So my lawyer gets understand, you know, what goes up and
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starts asking her, Okay, wellwhat exactually did this guy saying what exactually
happened? And when did it happen? And why wasn't there recording and you
know, trying to get to thetechnical stuff. But I say, I
mean, there's not really much.There's not really much to go there,
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you know. So he just askedthose questions, she asked for them,
and then that was it. Hertestimony was quick also, like all this
was fast, man, like withinone day we ran through I think three
witnesses. And then the next daycomes, you know, the next day
comes and and and they called,they called the gang expert. Didn't the
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do That takes pretty much the wholeentire day. Man, he gets understand
and he starts talking about the game, starts talking about what the gang is
and how, you know, hetries to give you a whole story about
gangs in general, and you know, the type of people that are in
gangs and the type of crimes thatgang members committed, and and how he's
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a professional, and how he wentto school and did these did these seminars,
and how he's credited as being anexpert on gangs. And he says
that he's been working Rampart Division sincenineteen ninety five on the then he's been
on the press unit. So thisguy was there during the whole Rampart crash
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scandal. This guy was there sincenineteen ninety five. You know, they
didn't make Rampart. They didn't getexposed until nineteen ninety eight, and they
didn't get they didn't get this disbandeduntil like two thousand and two thousand and
one. And this dude is therethis whole entire time. So you know,
this guy, he's talking about thewhole gangs and stuff, and then
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he starts talking about the Mexican monsia, talking about, oh yeah, the
gangs are controlled by the Mexican moms, feeling this and this, and that's
trying to put it into the intothe jury's mind you know, like,
yeah, these guys, and that'swhat he is man with with with any
game related case. And their wholething is to put fear into the jury's
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minds. You know, that's whatthey want. They want the jury to
be scared and to say, outof fear, to be like, let's
put these guys away forever. Youknow, they don't deserve no chance,
they don't deserve nothing. They gottabe they must be guilty or gang us.
You know what I'm saying. That'sthat's the whole, the whole reason
for doing that. So this dudestarts getting into um now, he starts
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getting into actually me, you know. And they asked him, how many
runnings have you had with with withSalinas and he's like, all that I
can recall four. So this dudehas been on rampart crash since nineteen ninety
five. This is two thousands,like ten years. You've been on this
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unit for ten years and he's onlyhad four runners with me that he can
think of. He has no evidence, he doesn't he doesn't put in evidence
saying like, look on this day, I stopped him on this day and
I stopped. He doesn't have noneof that. They don't present none of
that. He's just saying that forwhat he can recall four times. And
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then he says, in his opinionthat I was an active game number because
I admitted to him that I wasa gang member, right, And he
said I admitted to him recently,you know, and in my mind and
I was like, that's total bullshit, you know because number one, Now,
one single time that I ever hadany run ins with any police officer
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did I ever say, hey,hey, officer, I'm a game member.
I never admitted to being the gameto no officer. Nobody did.
Man, none of these GAG memberswould do that, you know, because
we knew that we're gonna be puton the game files, that they're gonna
put us on the system, andyou know, that pretty much fucks you
forever. And later on, youknow, later on, this actually came
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out. These officers got caught lyingputting putting these guys on these gang files,
and there was a big old lawsuit, you know, and they end
up exposing all this stuff. Soyou know that was their number one That
was like the number one thing tosay. Oh, he admitted to me
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that he's a game Remember that wasthe number one thing to say, man,
for every single time he admitted tome in bullshit. So this guy,
um, like I said, hestarts talking about me and he says
that in his opinion, you knowthat this hardcore game member, and you
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know that I'm active and in allthese things. But he doesn't have no
proof, Like he's not. He'snot understands saying what kinds I've committed?
Because my lawyer asked him? Orwhat kinds have you arrested him for?
He says none. Um, doyou know anyone any of your officers that
I have arrested him? He saysno. Do you know of any kind
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that he's been arrested for? Hesays no? So how are you saying
that this dude's an active game memberand you don't kind of know no evidence
of him being an active game memberother than you saying he admitted to you
that he's an active game member.And then he stays and he said,
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oh, well, it's because Iknow that he was. He was recently.
He was in h he was ina placement or something like that,
right, he didn't even know whatI was, where I was at and
was. But he's like, yeah, this guy, he just recently got
out what had already been out foralmost like a year and a half,
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a little bit over a year anda half, you know, because I
got out in two thousand and threefrom from Juvenea Hall, So I had
been out and that whole entire timethat I've been out, you know,
that's when I had stopped messing around. I guess I got away from that.
So these guys had never arrested mefor nothing. But this guy's understands
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saying that I'm just active game member, you know. And then that's when
he starts talking about the Mexican Muffield. He's saying that the Mexican musfil control
everything, that that the game membershad tried to the Mexican monfield, and
that if you don't fall in linewith the Mexican monfield rules, that you're
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subject to being killed and that toput a green light on you. So
he's putting all this stuff into thejury's minds about you know, this Mexican
monfield, which has nothing to dowith my case whatsoever, you know,
but he's putting it all out thereto make sure that the jury looks at
me like, I'm this horrible person, it's horrible human being that you know,
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I don't deserve no chance for squiber. So this dude, I'm telling
he takes the whole pretty much thewhole day man on his testimony alone.
So by the end of the bythe end of the day, we're done.
He's not actually he's not even donetestifying on that day. They actually
come back the next day then hetestifies again. You know, they're it
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up the hand of it because theDA wanted to ask the more questions.
After my lawyer asking questions, thed want to ask more questions. So
the next day they ask them morequestions. Well, basically, his whole
testimony was that I'm this active gameand version you know that that I'm bringing
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them up and doing all this stuff. That's his testimony. So the next
witness they call is this ballistic expert, the guy who does he does the
forensics, the testing on the onthe bullet. So this guy, I
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should let me back up because onthe officer that I have said that God
understands testified about putting evidence, likeputting a catalogy evidence stuff. So this
guy he he had actually, uh, he looked at the bullets, right,
because he found some bullets in thetrunk, right, he found two
(46:06):
boxes bullets in the trunk. Sothe DA gives them the bullets, right,
he gives them the boxes the bullets, and he tells them, Hey,
are these the bullets that you found? And the guy's like yes,
And then he tells them look atthem. Are they all the same or
these all the same bullets? Andhe looks at them. He says yes,
they're all the same. So thiswas like two days prior, right,
(46:29):
So this guy says that every singlebullet in that box is identical.
They're all the same. So fastforward to this guy the bullettic Acper.
So the bulliszer anper. He's thereto testify about the bullets, about the
bullets and all that, right,So first they asked him, okay,
did you do a test to determinethe caliber of the bullet that is in
(46:54):
evidence and he says, yes,he says that he him and this other
guy did the initial test. Butthe other guy, right, So there
was actually two tests that they thatthey did. Right, the very first
test that they did, they saidthat the bullet most likely was from a
(47:15):
ten millimeter up to a forty millimeter. That was the first test that they
did. And in the first trial, you know, they used that and
it didn't look good because it's notwhat the DA wanted the day wanted them
to say. It was a fortyfour. Right. So the first trial,
the guy gets understanding says, orcheater a ten millimeter more than likely,
(47:39):
it's a ten millimeter up to aforty right. So now that here
comes the second trial. Right,So the first guy all of a sudden
heat on vacation, right, hecan't come to court, right, he
can't testify. So now they gotthis other guy, right, So because
these other guy's being court testifying,he does a new test. Now that
(48:05):
he does a new test, Ohyes, it's a forty four. Yeah,
yeah, it's more than likely it'sforty four. Right, So the
first test gets toned out. Thisnew guy comes in, you know,
and he said, oh yeah,no, it's it's a forty four.
And so he's talking about the test, right, He's like, oh yeah,
the first guy, you know,Me and him, we get the
(48:25):
test together and we said that itcould be more than likely a ten millimeter
up to a forty millimeter. Butthat guy's on vacation, so I had
to step in, so I hadto do a new test. And with
this new test, the DA gaveme a bullet casing. So because the
bullet casing is from a forty four, now I'm saying that more likely it's
(48:52):
got to be a forty four.Book, So he basically changed him.
The only reason that he changed hismind, it's because they gave him a
casing, right, Not because scientificallyproving that this bullet is the size of
a forty four or or it's thesame as a forty four. No actual
(49:14):
physical evidence showing that this bullet isa forty four. No, because the
DA game a forty four shell casing. Now he's saying, oh yeah,
and more likely it is a fortyfour. That's the only reason. Can
you mind came? Is test FID. Look, I'm telling man, no
trouble. I don't want to beman. I just won't vibe big man
(49:37):
like me. No need for thetelephone hide. I've got too much game
online. We won't rule the Denimo'sside wrong move up, but they're gonna
ride. No need for the telephonehide nah, No need for its losing
big whip by slide. I'm cruisingbig chicken side. No truth the better.
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