May 19, 2023 • 38 mins
Luis Miguel Salinas is serving 44 year to life in Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga, CA. This is his story.
In this bonus episode Luis talks a bit about working on his appeal and the difficulties he had with lawyers along the way.
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In this bonus episode Luis talks a bit about working on his appeal and the difficulties he had with lawyers along the way.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, mylook, tell the man, no trouble.
I don't want to be man.I just want vibe big man like
me. No need for the telephonehigh I got too much hand online and
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my completing and this is crashed.What's what's I got the prison? You
know. My my first my firstday I wanted to really focus on was
trying to you know, do myappeal because after losing, after losing the
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triumphs, you know, myself fuckedup. But I really felt like,
okay, you know I should comeback on appeal. You know, I
still have some opening. It's crazybecause you know, even after losing everything,
I still I still had some alittle bit of hope, you know.
And you would think that you justa lot of people would just give
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up pretty much give up and callit a day and drowning in their sorrows
and you know, get depressed andall that. But I've never been like
that. I never let the worstget me them, you know, like,
no matter what, I always stoodtall man like, I wouldn't let
ship get to me like that,you know, you know, and it
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hurt, and I felt fucked up, and I was like, man,
I said, that's the rest ofmy life. I'm they we're going to
get out, you know, butI'm still kind of open. I was
like, I could still try,you know, It's like it's not over
till it's over. So my numberone priority was, let me see what
happened do with this appeal, youknow, let me try to get let
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me try to get some help,Let me try to get a better attorney,
because after the reason why I lostthis trials is that I have just
bullshit as attorney that didn't give afuck. It wasn't trying to help me
at all. So I thought,well, maybe if I have a good
attorney, you know, and theydon't have a chance, then what the
fucked up thing is that? Youknow, ninety nine point nine percent of
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attorneys are pieces of ship that they'reall fucked up. They don't give a
fuck. They just watch your money, you know, especially when it comes
to criminal defense. And I shouldn'tknow that. You know, it's very,
very difficult to find an honest attorneywho really really gives a fuck and
is trying to help you, youknow. So my thought possesses, Okay,
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well let me see what I coulddo myself, you know, So
something I get your reception. Thefirst thing I do is right to the
to the California Planet Project. Iwrite to them, you know, I
tell them about my case, andI asked them if I can get a
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lawyer. So they ran me backand they're like, well you already have
a little because the state has togive you and a Pillot lawyer, you
know, off the bat. Soas they tell me, you what a
Pellet lawyer is? This this dudenamed Jonathan Milburgh. So they send me
his infot like this dudes never getto me. So, you know,
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the Pellet Project is the one thattells me that I haven't a telled me.
They gave me his infot, soI, you know, this is
my name, is my case anddata, you know what I And I
asked him what's going on? Andso he writes me back and he tells
me, oh, yeah, Ijust got your case. I'm reviewing it
and all this matter. So aftera little while he gets at me again
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and he tells me, you know, okay, this is what I'm gonna
do. And he tells me hisarguments, you know. So I read
his arguments and I'm in my mind, I'm like this ain't this ain't shit
like this is not There is notsomething strong enough that's going to give me
back, you know, because atthe same time, I'm here trying to
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read whatever I can read, whateverkind of information I can get about appeals
and the court and all that,and so I have a little bit of
an understanding, you know, I'mnot I'm not the best, I'm on
an expert, but I have somewhatof an understanding of what type of arguments
get you back in court. SoI just do that. He wants to
argue the cruel and unusual punishment becauseof the gang and ancient I mean the
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gun enhancement, you know, gettingtwenty five years to life for the gun.
Then California is the only statement thatgives you a twenty five to life
gun dance. No other state doesthat. So his whole argument is all
this is cruel and unusual punishment,that no one else done it, so
that ship should be stricting. Andthen his second argument is that during trial,
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the DA they fucked up, andthey at the very last minute they
threw in um, they threw ina charge of aiding in a betting right.
So the whole entire time their theirtheory is that I'm the shooter.
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You know, I'm the one thatshot William. And that's the whole theory,
the whole time. But that atthe very end in their closing argument,
the DA just to just to besure, you know, just to
make sure that the jury doesn't haveany second batch or anything. He told
him there. Well, even ifyou believe that he's innocent, even if
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you believe that he didn't shoot thisguy, well he's still guilty. He's
still guilty. He as a driver, you know, so you didn't need
to find them guilty on aiding inthe pending right. Well, he violated
my due process. He voluated mydue process because he wasn't supposed to do
that. You're supposed to basically giveup the defense and noticed that they were
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going to charge him with this aswell, so he didn't do that.
He just dis ad the very lesssecond, just to make sure that if
he did, they didn't find meguilty on being the shooter, then they
would at least find me guilty onaiding in the bedding. So this attorney
argues that right due process, right, this fortune avestment, And in my
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mind, I'm like, man,there were so many other things, you
know, especially in effective assistance acouncil. You know, this this lawyer
who didn't do shit. They didn'tpresent no type of defans, didn't do
no type of investigation, didn't didn'tdo anything that I asked him to do.
So that was what I was reallypushing for, the ineffective assistance.
And I had right up on aneffective assistance. And there's this three pronged
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thing that for you to prove ineffectiveassistance. And the standard is kind of
high that it's it's not that easybecause these lawyers there's not U. How
do I say, like, there'sa very minimum that they have to show
that they did you know, toshow that okay, they were they were
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not they were not incompetent, youknow, so the law, the law
is in their favor. So allthey have to do is say, oh
I tried my best. You know, that's pretty much the way I saw
it. You know. So hislawyers like, oh no, this is
this is what I'm gonna argue.So he does that, you know,
and he gains denied. Of courseagainst denied. It's bullshit, you know,
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they deny me on the cool noUSU budgment because they're saying that,
no, it's not unusual punishment.They deny me on the due process because
they say it's not it wasn't thatserious. You know, it wasn't that
serious. I forget exactly what they'reworking, but that's basically what they're saying,
Oh, it wasn't that serious.It was a it was harmless error.
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That's what they say. It washarmless error. I'm like, harmless
there? Rather? Fuck? Isthis harmless? Everyone? It's like he's
got life, you know. Butyeah, so after that, right,
this dude he wants to charge usfifty thousand dollars to take on the case.
And I'm like, fifty thousand dollars, what the fuck? Like,
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you know, so now I'm thinkingthat this dude probably just did a bullshit
that's job on this a few soday, he could try to get me to
hire him, you know, soI like, no, there's no way
I'm gonna hire this dude, youknow. So, you know, after
that whole little process goes through,you know, I'm looking I'm like saying,
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I'm trying to study. I'm tryingto trying to look up everything I
can look up. I'm trying tolook up cases. You know, I
got these dudes telling me what todo, Like they're telling me that they're
looking to this, do this,this is this is how you go about
it, you know. So allmy energies is in that something, trying
to find a way to to findsomething. And uh, I start getting
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these directories, and there's a lotof directories for prisoners to to help you,
right, So they'll give you abunch of information. They'll give you
all these places that you can getat, all these attorneys. Uh there's
this Prison Law Office of California,right, and they will pretty much give
you anything last learn if if youask them. Can I get the court
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rules for this place to send youthe court rules? Uh? Can I
get how to file hate these corpusthat they get how to file petition?
Uh? You know they'll they'll giveyou whatever, you know, whatever they
got they'll give you. And thenthere are these other places that they'll do,
Um, they'll do legal research foryou for free, like those sameting
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places. So there's a lot ofa lot of places that will help.
So I'm ready to everybody. Man, I'm going down to list. I'm
writing every single place I come across. I don't know I'm writing all these
uh post conviction um places like I'mwriting these universities. You know, I
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wrote the Yola Law School in laI wrote pepper Dyme, I wrote USC,
I wrote UCLA, m I wrote, I wrote, I wrote the
Mexican Consulate. I wrote. Iwrote every single innocent project in California and
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other states. Um, you know, I wrote. I wrote so many
places, and a lot of theseplaces didn't even bother responding. So I'm
ready to I'm ready to every singinga place that you know I could I
could see on the list. Man, I'm going down all these lists.
I'm getting different kinds of lists fromeverywhere, you know. So I'm meeting
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up everybody, and I'm not I'mnot taking any not alleviate anything beyond then.
I'm going. I'm going to everysingle spot. You know, a
lot of these places didn't respond.Somebody did did respond. Some of the
professors who responding and say, well, I don't do this kind of work,
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and a lot of these places Ijust I just go and ask,
well how about some students, youknow, because I know that when you're
taking law school, you have todo so many hours of work on a
case you know, so a lotof these people they had to do that
in order to get their degree.So that's what I was kind of banking
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on the go. If anything,somebody that does not have any h any
experience or anything, but that's kindof ambitious and that kind of wants to,
you know, do something. Havea better chance for somebody like that
than an actual lawyer, because nottoo many lawyers are going to do anything
for free, you know. Soin the meantime right well, doing all
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this stuff, my dad he worksat the Los Angeles Athletic Club in downtown
LA. This is like, youknow, there's a lot of people that
go there that are you know,lawyers and doctors and just kind of like,
you know, people that are welloff. So I guess my dad,
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you know, he knows this lawyerthere, but that's he's friendly with
and his name is uh, it'splayed Jeff. And this guy, you
know, he ends up becoming ajudge. He's actually a sitting judge right
now. And I just see himon the news. Like a week or
two ago or two, two guysgot found innocent that have spent like seventeen
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years in prison and they had beenconvicted of of gang enhancements and gun enhancements
and the murder the same kind ofsame thing as me. Well, I
guess they gotta get released. Andthen they were they were still going to
court to get found innocent, andthis this guy, aged Clay Jack ends
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up being the judge. He findsthe innocent, you know, based on
the real shooter confesses, you know, and the real shooters in prison.
So I was tripping out because I'mreading this case and this it is pretty
much similar to my case. Well, anyways, my dad, I guess
he's talking to this guy. Hetells him about my place, and the
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Clay tells him, okay, welllet me let let me take a look
at it. So he goes overmy case and stuff and he says that
he'll take my case, charges myfamily fifteen thousand dollars. So, you
know, my dad tells me,okay, I got this lawyer. We
aren't his lawyer. This was intwo thousand and seven, and so this
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guy you know takes takes on mycase, my family pays him. I
tell him, look, I wantyou to come visit me. Man.
I don't want to talk over thephone. I don't want to learn this.
I want you to come vision you. If you're serious, you don't
come visit me. So we thetalking person. So this guy does.
He comes to see me in prison, pulls me out, so he talks
for a couple hours, you know, and I explained to him everything I
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tell, the whole entire thing,from fun to back, you know.
And this guy's like, look,I believe you. And if the big
thing I came, I said,look, man, if I'm not gonna
waste my family's money, you know, if I was guilty, I wouldn't
even bother man, Like, I'mnot gonna do that to my family,
and my family work was hard.They don't get nothing, man, They
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don't got the money to behind inorders and doing all this stuff. Man.
So I wouldn't even bother doing thatif if I was guilty, you
know. So I'm telling you rightnow that I'm innocent and that everybody's there
and this and that, and thenyou say no, well I believe you.
You know I'm gonna lyrithing. Icare for you, you know.
So I'm like, all right,So now I'm kind of focusing on this
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this lawyer, and I'm writing tohim all the time, and I'm writing
to him. I'm telling him everythingthat I can think of, man,
everything that I can that I hear, everything that I come across. I'm
writing to him. I'm telling him, you know, everything I can to
be helpful too, to be activein the case. You know, well,
the dude, man this, youknow, this motherfucker didn't do shit
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either. The dude did not donothing. The only thing he actually did
was I kept pressing him to doanother interview with the victim, you know,
and too, I told him learnin court, my attorney never actually
like uh asked them all the basicquestions, you know, like what give
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us a description, you know,what, what do you remember, like
give us, tell us about thegun, tell us, you know,
like more detailed questions that this fooddid not ask none of that stuff.
So I'm telling them the lawyer that, look, you need to focus on
that because of the description that oneof the officers he put in the police
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report. You know, that thevictim had to gave with description of a
of a guy wearing a gray,greyhooded sweatshirt, you know, and then
the police report it says right therethat the officer saw me wearing a blue
jacket with the white stripes on it. You know, those stripes were reflective,
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so none of the stuff came outof court. And the DA argued
that the description given was was hearsay, so that never actually went into course.
So the journey never heard that part, you know. So I'm telling
this lawyer like, look, man, I need to get a get a
one on a lower with this withwith William and do an interview and ask
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the hard questions, ask the questionsthat are going to get straight to it,
you know. So they does theinterview. It takes forever to get
this done because you know, firstthey have to track down William, and
then William when they do find them, he's living in Kansas, you know.
So now we have to find aninvestigator in Kansas. You gotta payer
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investigator in Kansas to set up theinterview. And then and then the jack
was either going to fly out thereand the interviewing face to face or do
it over the phone. So thisdude ends up doing it over the phone,
and he does. He does theinterview. And so when I get
a copy of this interview, I'mlooking at the literary and I'm like,
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man, you still didn't focus onthe main stuff. You know, because
it was just the same type ofstuff that was already in the court in
the trial, you know, Sothat that brought me upset. Man,
And because this dude's dragging out mycase, right, he's saying that he's
gonna foul the appeal, right,but he hadn't done nothing. So this
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is years later. This was intwo thousand and seven. This guy has
my case for the next like threeto four years, right, because I
mean I ended up going to corpuanshoe. So I'm sitting in Corplan's shoe
in two thousand and eleven, Sothis is outly like four years later.
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You know, this dude's still hada foul nothing. That's dude studn't done
for me. And I'm sitting inthe shoe, and you know, my
mom sending me a letter and tellsme that this lawyer is no longer my
lawyer, that this dude turned.This dude became a judge, so he
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dropped my case. And I'm like, wait a minute, what the hell,
Like I didn't get an over laterinforming me that he was going to
drop my case, you know.And and we started the contract, so
I had a copy of the contract. My mom send me a contract.
So I had a copy right there, and I told him that I'm want
all all the receipts. Send meall the receipts of the payments for those
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fifteen thousand dollars everything, right,So my family sends me this. So
I'm back there. You know,I'm stuck in myself from twenty four seven,
so I had nothing else to do. So I'm older than Alla Bury.
You know, I'm like, I'mI'm a suitor, dude. Man,
I'm gonna putting the complaint. I'mgonna go all out. You know,
I'm this um. So I dothat. I put in a complaint
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to the bar, you know,in the bar writing me back and says,
hey, well he's no longer alawyer, so you had to get
at the judicial committee because he's ajudge. So then I write to the
judicial committee and they told me,well, this happened while he was a
lawyer, so you need to getat the bars. So these more suckers
are send me back and forth.Man, they're giving me the runaround.
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You know. Finally, you know, I get the paperwork to file against
them, you know, and andthe judicial committee they review it and they
deny it, and I what thefuck know that? So I end up
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losing that. So now I'm tryingto see if I can get that money
back. The complaint didn't go through, but now I'm seeing one. Maybe
I can get another attorney to helpme get that money back. Right,
So we don't get the money back, you know, we don't get the
money back. We end up gettingsome money, right because we ended get
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this other lawyer and she this islater down the line, and we end
up getting another lawyer and she wasable to get like five thousand dollars.
But that five thousand dollars only rightback to that lawyer that the souls and
like, we didn't get nothing outof it. Man, But the dude
turns into a judge, you know. And you know that's crazy because I
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see him down the line. LikeI said, I've seen him on that
case. But while I'm in theshoe, you know, I start I
start writing a game. I startwriting all these places because you got to
think about this is down these arethe years and years and years. So
in the beginning, I'm trying togo about it my way and find somebody,
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and then we end up getting thelawyers so that kind of put me
on pause. Now I'm just dependingon this lawyer for these next four years.
And then you know, two thousandand eleven, I found out that
this dude is no longer my lawyer. You dropped my case. Well actually,
you know, he ends up givingmy case to a different lawyer,
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right, But I tell that lawyerlike, you know that that's not in
the contract, Like you can't justgive my case to another lawyer. So
I don't even want that lawyer.I don't even know who this lawyer is.
I don't know nothing about them.So I'm like, no, I'm
good, I don't I don't evenwant this lawyer. I want my money
back, you know. So nowI'm I'm without a lawyer, without nothing,
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getting found nothing. So I'm sittingin the shoe, like I said,
got nothing to do, man,twenty four seven year year in yourself.
So now I'm putting in slips togo to the li Liveberry every single
every single chance I get. Youknow, you could go like once or
twice a week. So I'm goingto live live Berrier and I'm trying to
read as much as I can,and I'm trying to look up all the
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caces I can you know, basedon the better seninar to mine, you
know, based on the identification,based on the gun enhancements, gang enhancements,
attempt to murder everything. And youknow, I'm looking up all kinds
of stuff and I'm getting these casesprinted out, and I find a bunch
of stuff, a bunch of stuffon ineffective Assistance Council, you know,
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identification like all that stuff. SoI'm getting ready, like I'm I'm just
trying. I say, you know, I'm gonna do this myself, man,
because I'm writing to all these otherplaces again, Like I get another
directory again, you know what,I'm writing all these other places again.
I'm trying to get help again.But nobody cares. Nobody's listening, nobody's
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trying to help me. Nobody's reallyreplying the reply letters that I get or
say well, we can't help you, but if you get these people,
maybe they can help you, youknow. So they're kind of give me
the run around as well if theyeven answer. You know, remember,
you know, reading a book assome expert at wrote about how corrupt you
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know the system is and how youknow these officers get away with all this
stuff, and so I look upthe author, you know, I get
the actor's info, and I'm writingactor hoping that maybe okay to this author
to plug me in. Maybe theyhave some kind of sources or something,
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you know, because that's my case. My case is all big, you
have sixty, but case is allbased on these crooked ass cops. Man.
So you know, I write tothis author, but I don't get
no response, So I write tohis aunthor no response, you know,
son, getting getting kind of youknow, getting no, no kind of
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action there. So you know itstarts just you know, he started feeling
all fucked up, like fuck,man, nobody gives a fuck, you
know, in this whole time.You know I felt that way, but
rejection after rejection after rejection that shejust kind of getting green, Like yeah,
man, nobody really really don't nobodygiven fun? Man, Like I've
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been trying to knock on all thesedoors, and all these doors are getting
slammed in my face. You know. So even though I'm still trying to
be optimistic, I'm still not tryingto quit. I'm not trying to give
up. I'm not trying to belike, you know, fuck it no
man, Like I'm still I'm stillgetting up and trying to get out there
and find something, to find away, you know. So I'm getting
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out the shoe. You know.My mom's in Texas and she comes to
visit me, and I tell her, like, you know what, we
need to do something, man,Like we need to find that. We
need to find the lawyer. Likeyeah, I'm sick of this, you
know, like we need to dosomething now. You know. So I
have this this long conversation with mymom and I'm trying to tell my mom
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like she needs to come out ofthe California. She needs to help me,
you know, because ain't nobody helpingme. You know my dad.
And my dad's there right, butyou know, he's always working and he
doesn't have a really good understand youknow what I'm saying. You don't.
You don't speak English great, youknow, so that's that language barrier,
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and you know people's awfulers take advantageof that. Bron And you know,
my my, my, my otherlittle brothers and sisters are still young.
You know, my oldest sister.I try to get her as well,
you know, like I try tohave that conversation with her, like,
man, you guys need to helpme like this, I've been trying.
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I've been here all these years.I shouldn't even be here inside these serious
conversations. And my sisters I,okay, lost, I'm gonna try to
help you, you know. Sonow we're looking for another lawyer. This
is when I would come across theother lawyer name Susan Ferguson, and she
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charges us I think it was likethree thousand and four thousand to read the
case. And then and then sheshe reads the case and okay, she
says she wants more money, sowe end up giving her more money.
Right, she's the woman helping uswith getting some of that money back from
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some clay um. But this lady, this lady, she she didn't she
didn't have an office. She's workingfrom home. So the kind of way
I was like, I was thinking, okay, maybe it's good, you
know, like she she didn't havea big, big law firm. She's
kind of entertainment. You know,maybe she's hungry, she wants to get
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some wins under there. But herdoubt, you know, because you can't
underestimate everybody, you know, likesome of these people that they don't have
to have these big ole law firmsdo all this learn your own and they're
the hardest worker. So you know, I'm kind of hoping. I'm hoping
this person he's gonna try to help, you know, all that doesn't go
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nowhere. You know, she endsup like I said, she kind of
spooked Clay and that food gives upthe five thousand, which I shouldn't got
my whole all of my money backfifteen thousands. You know, it would
have got five thousand. So Iguess they kind of got scared of they
are the lawyers, so they paidup just five thousand. She keeps the
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five thousand, and then she's supposedto file some other stuff. We end
up paying for a ballistics expert,right, criminologist, I think it's gone.
So my whole theory is this,right, we get the bullet and
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re examine it, improved that it'snot from a forty four, because,
like I said, the whole theory, the whole entire theory of the DA
is two people shot William simultaneously atthe same exact time, one with the
thirty eight and well the forty four. But this is this is a lie.
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This did not occur. One personcalled Andrew a telephone number they'll monitored
and recorded one person with one gunshot William. That was it. One
person only, one gun only andit was a thirty eight. You know,
by this time I know the truth. You know, by this time
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I heard the story, so Iknow exactly what it was. You know,
I hadn't had no perspect protector,but the streets talk, you know,
so I knew exactly what happened.They told me like, yeah,
it's what happened, so I knewthe story. So I'm okay, Well,
now that I know the truth,I could use that. Right.
So the victim, William, henever got one of the bullets removed because
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the doctors didn't want to remove it. They didn't want to cut him open,
and they didn't want to go inthere and you know risk in turn
of bleeding or whatever. For whateverreason is the doctors said, no,
we cannot to bullet out. We'regonna go ahead and leave it in there.
So he still has the bullet inthem. So, you know,
we end up planning this expert.She hired an expert, right, we
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take like twenty five bucks and allshe does, right, she sends him
the papers right from the other ballisticexpert about the bullets. She sends him
those two pages and asked him forhis opinion, and then the dude right
the bag and he's like, uh, what am I supposed to do with
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this? Like I thought I wasgonna get a bullet out, you know,
I thought I was gonna conduct myown my own research. And he's
like, I can't give you noletter on this, you know, And
he charged me for that. Man, sounding like fun, he tried me
for that. He didn't do ship, you didn't do listing, he said,
well, fucking you. They weretalking about I can't be listing with
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this. So I'm I'm just I'mjust kind of like heartbroken, like fuck
man again, you know again,another fucking layer bullshit, you know.
Oh so yeah, that shit kindof fucking got shot down, right.
But the whole idea was if wecould convince William to get surgery, get
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the bullet taken out, and getthe bullet tested, prove that it's a
thirty eight, because you know,a thirty eight revolver it leaves barrel markings
and then and it leaves I guessfrom the pen it leaves a mark,
right, so you can you canidentify the bullet, and basically they already
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had another a bullet. One ofthe bullets went straight through, so it
was a solid slug, right,So they had that in evidence. So
that's going to have the barrel markings. So if the bullet that wouldn't have
the side of him, it's extractedand they compare it to the bullet.
They already have an evidence and thoserail markings are identical. That proves beyond
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a doubt that this is the sameexact gun that shot both bullets. So
only one person shot, only onegun was used, and that kills the
DA's theory. You know, thatautomatically gets my case overturned because it's all
built on lines. It was aboat with as theory. So that was
my whole kind of hope. Butthat should kind of shot down, and
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it was because I am incompetent asfuck the lawyer. You know, I
try to get it the expert myself, but the expert, or according to
the lawyer, the expert didn't wantto speak directly to the to us.
They only they only want to getwith an attorney. It gets because of
to avoid any kind of discrepancies,like to have any kind of like I
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guess that was kind of suck itup in court. You know, like
if they to bring the whole wallhe's in contact with the with the defendants
whole, there must be some kindof bias. So I guess according to
the lawyer, he didn't want totalk to us. You want to wanted
to talk to the So after wesee like basically shit and doing shit,
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we fired her. You know.Now this is like this is like another
thirty four years pass, you know. So it just happened around two thousand
and twelve. From two thousand andtwelve to like two thousand and sixteen,
two thousand and sixteen or seventeen,so wasted another like four years, you
know, Murphy. So at thattime, I'm like, you know what,
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fucking man, that's it. I'mdone with these fucking bullshit as lawyers.
And know I'm just like I'm done. I don't care no more.
Like I'm just gonna hope and praythat some kind of law passes that's gonna
help, you know. And theypassed this youth defender right, so anybody
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that was under the age of twentysix years old goes to prol soon.
Now, all night, if you'vegot life. You just have to do
either or fifteen years. If youdon't have life, it's fifteen years if
you If you do have life,if you got under twenty five life,
you got twenty years. If you'vegot twenty five life, you gotta do
twenty five years. So I gotforty four years to life. So I
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get this paper, so I thinkit was twenty eighteen. I get this
paper saying that I qualify for YouthOffender Pro board in twenty twenty nine.
And originally, you know, Idon't go to board until twenty forty night,
so that's twenty years that I getto go to board early. So
I'm like, you know, whatfucking I'm just gonna wait until twenty twenty
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nine. I know, hopefully somemore last pass and now you know,
I'm starting to see all these otherlaws passing, you know, a lot
of resentencing stuff, and then allthese things coming about. Right, but
the majority of this stuff is notretroactive. So because my case is sold,
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I will qualify for none of thisstuff. But I see this one
case called the AB twenty or fortytwo, and it's talking about that the
DA can now basically open up theircase and resentence you. So now you
know a lot of people are gettingthese attorneys right, but it's all a
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scan comes to find out right thatnobody, no attorney can file these resentencing
They can't do it right because theDA has to do it on his own.
But here the DA or the prisonright at the CDC, they have
to file a petition to the tothe DA asking them to ree your case.
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Right, A lawyer can't do that. So these fucking lawyers over you're
turning every but hey, man,give us five thousand dollars in the world
file this petition for you, whichwas all the fucking scam. They can't
do that right because they're not acceptinganything from any lawyer. Well, a
lot of us got played. Man. I paid for that ship, you
know, not knowing but now comingto find out that it was all bullshit.
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So I paid for that. Ipaid I think like four thousand bucks
to get that petition and supposedly theattorney filed it, you know, So
I never heard ship from that.Well in two thousand and twenty, you
know, I say, you knowwhat my dad tells me. He's like,
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look, I just got to settlement. Let's call Andrew A telephone numbers,
monitor and recorded. But that's likeI got to settlement. I got
money, right now, you know, let's do this, man, Let's
just find another lawyer to get outthat. It's been too long. You've
been in there all this time.So that's what we do, right.
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We start looking and we come across. We come across Barhoma and he's got
this this big old ad. Youknow, he's got all these um claims
that he's won all these cases.Tell him aout super lawyer, number one
lawyer, top ten percent, likeall this flashy shit, right, so
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you're looking like, oh man,it's must be one of the best ones,
like, and you're thinking, okay, I'm gonna hire this dude,
right, So we hire him thereand he plays me. We take him
three thousand bucks to look at thecase. So he looks at the case
and he's, Okay, I'm gonnareach your case. If you hire me,
take off three thousand dollars from whateveryou're I'm gonna charge you. If
you don't hire me, I'm gonnakeep the three thousand dollars. So there's
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more. Fucker's gonna win no matterwhat. So you know, he reviews
the case excuse me, a littleprint out talking about what he thinks like
qualify for one of the one ofthe things he's tned me of for the
you had sixty seconds for the commutationof sentence. They're getting at the governor.
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So we're now okay, we hireyou, you know, and that's
that's uh, that's where that's howmuch you offer right now because I got
to go school already
Yeah, yeah, yeah, mylook, tell the man, no trouble.
I don't want to be man.I just want vibe big man like
me. No need for the telephonehigh I got too much hand online and
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my completing and this is crashed.What's what's I got the prison? You
know. My my first my firstday I wanted to really focus on was
trying to you know, do myappeal because after losing, after losing the
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triumphs, you know, myself fuckedup. But I really felt like,
okay, you know I should comeback on appeal. You know, I
still have some opening. It's crazybecause you know, even after losing everything,
I still I still had some alittle bit of hope, you know.
And you would think that you justa lot of people would just give
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up pretty much give up and callit a day and drowning in their sorrows
and you know, get depressed andall that. But I've never been like
that. I never let the worstget me them, you know, like,
no matter what, I always stoodtall man like, I wouldn't let
ship get to me like that,you know, you know, and it
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hurt, and I felt fucked up, and I was like, man,
I said, that's the rest ofmy life. I'm they we're going to
get out, you know, butI'm still kind of open. I was
like, I could still try,you know, It's like it's not over
till it's over. So my numberone priority was, let me see what
happened do with this appeal, youknow, let me try to get let
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me try to get some help,Let me try to get a better attorney,
because after the reason why I lostthis trials is that I have just
bullshit as attorney that didn't give afuck. It wasn't trying to help me
at all. So I thought,well, maybe if I have a good
attorney, you know, and theydon't have a chance, then what the
fucked up thing is that? Youknow, ninety nine point nine percent of
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attorneys are pieces of ship that they'reall fucked up. They don't give a
fuck. They just watch your money, you know, especially when it comes
to criminal defense. And I shouldn'tknow that. You know, it's very,
very difficult to find an honest attorneywho really really gives a fuck and
is trying to help you, youknow. So my thought possesses, Okay,
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well let me see what I coulddo myself, you know, So
something I get your reception. Thefirst thing I do is right to the
to the California Planet Project. Iwrite to them, you know, I
tell them about my case, andI asked them if I can get a
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lawyer. So they ran me backand they're like, well you already have
a little because the state has togive you and a Pillot lawyer, you
know, off the bat. Soas they tell me, you what a
Pellet lawyer is? This this dudenamed Jonathan Milburgh. So they send me
his infot like this dudes never getto me. So, you know,
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the Pellet Project is the one thattells me that I haven't a telled me.
They gave me his infot, soI, you know, this is
my name, is my case anddata, you know what I And I
asked him what's going on? Andso he writes me back and he tells
me, oh, yeah, Ijust got your case. I'm reviewing it
and all this matter. So aftera little while he gets at me again
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and he tells me, you know, okay, this is what I'm gonna
do. And he tells me hisarguments, you know. So I read
his arguments and I'm in my mind, I'm like this ain't this ain't shit
like this is not There is notsomething strong enough that's going to give me
back, you know, because atthe same time, I'm here trying to
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read whatever I can read, whateverkind of information I can get about appeals
and the court and all that,and so I have a little bit of
an understanding, you know, I'mnot I'm not the best, I'm on
an expert, but I have somewhatof an understanding of what type of arguments
get you back in court. SoI just do that. He wants to
argue the cruel and unusual punishment becauseof the gang and ancient I mean the
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gun enhancement, you know, gettingtwenty five years to life for the gun.
Then California is the only statement thatgives you a twenty five to life
gun dance. No other state doesthat. So his whole argument is all
this is cruel and unusual punishment,that no one else done it, so
that ship should be stricting. Andthen his second argument is that during trial,
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the DA they fucked up, andthey at the very last minute they
threw in um, they threw ina charge of aiding in a betting right.
So the whole entire time their theirtheory is that I'm the shooter.
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You know, I'm the one thatshot William. And that's the whole theory,
the whole time. But that atthe very end in their closing argument,
the DA just to just to besure, you know, just to
make sure that the jury doesn't haveany second batch or anything. He told
him there. Well, even ifyou believe that he's innocent, even if
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you believe that he didn't shoot thisguy, well he's still guilty. He's
still guilty. He as a driver, you know, so you didn't need
to find them guilty on aiding inthe pending right. Well, he violated
my due process. He voluated mydue process because he wasn't supposed to do
that. You're supposed to basically giveup the defense and noticed that they were
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going to charge him with this aswell, so he didn't do that.
He just dis ad the very lesssecond, just to make sure that if
he did, they didn't find meguilty on being the shooter, then they
would at least find me guilty onaiding in the bedding. So this attorney
argues that right due process, right, this fortune avestment, And in my
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mind, I'm like, man,there were so many other things, you
know, especially in effective assistance acouncil. You know, this this lawyer
who didn't do shit. They didn'tpresent no type of defans, didn't do
no type of investigation, didn't didn'tdo anything that I asked him to do.
So that was what I was reallypushing for, the ineffective assistance.
And I had right up on aneffective assistance. And there's this three pronged
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thing that for you to prove ineffectiveassistance. And the standard is kind of
high that it's it's not that easybecause these lawyers there's not U. How
do I say, like, there'sa very minimum that they have to show
that they did you know, toshow that okay, they were they were
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not they were not incompetent, youknow, so the law, the law
is in their favor. So allthey have to do is say, oh
I tried my best. You know, that's pretty much the way I saw
it. You know. So hislawyers like, oh no, this is
this is what I'm gonna argue.So he does that, you know,
and he gains denied. Of courseagainst denied. It's bullshit, you know,
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they deny me on the cool noUSU budgment because they're saying that,
no, it's not unusual punishment.They deny me on the due process because
they say it's not it wasn't thatserious. You know, it wasn't that
serious. I forget exactly what they'reworking, but that's basically what they're saying,
Oh, it wasn't that serious.It was a it was harmless error.
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That's what they say. It washarmless error. I'm like, harmless
there? Rather? Fuck? Isthis harmless? Everyone? It's like he's
got life, you know. Butyeah, so after that, right,
this dude he wants to charge usfifty thousand dollars to take on the case.
And I'm like, fifty thousand dollars, what the fuck? Like,
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you know, so now I'm thinkingthat this dude probably just did a bullshit
that's job on this a few soday, he could try to get me to
hire him, you know, soI like, no, there's no way
I'm gonna hire this dude, youknow. So, you know, after
that whole little process goes through,you know, I'm looking I'm like saying,
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I'm trying to study. I'm tryingto trying to look up everything I
can look up. I'm trying tolook up cases. You know, I
got these dudes telling me what todo, Like they're telling me that they're
looking to this, do this,this is this is how you go about
it, you know. So allmy energies is in that something, trying
to find a way to to findsomething. And uh, I start getting
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these directories, and there's a lotof directories for prisoners to to help you,
right, So they'll give you abunch of information. They'll give you
all these places that you can getat, all these attorneys. Uh there's
this Prison Law Office of California,right, and they will pretty much give
you anything last learn if if youask them. Can I get the court
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rules for this place to send youthe court rules? Uh? Can I
get how to file hate these corpusthat they get how to file petition?
Uh? You know they'll they'll giveyou whatever, you know, whatever they
got they'll give you. And thenthere are these other places that they'll do,
Um, they'll do legal research foryou for free, like those sameting
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places. So there's a lot ofa lot of places that will help.
So I'm ready to everybody. Man, I'm going down to list. I'm
writing every single place I come across. I don't know I'm writing all these
uh post conviction um places like I'mwriting these universities. You know, I
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wrote the Yola Law School in laI wrote pepper Dyme, I wrote USC,
I wrote UCLA, m I wrote, I wrote, I wrote the
Mexican Consulate. I wrote. Iwrote every single innocent project in California and
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other states. Um, you know, I wrote. I wrote so many
places, and a lot of theseplaces didn't even bother responding. So I'm
ready to I'm ready to every singinga place that you know I could I
could see on the list. Man, I'm going down all these lists.
I'm getting different kinds of lists fromeverywhere, you know. So I'm meeting
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up everybody, and I'm not I'mnot taking any not alleviate anything beyond then.
I'm going. I'm going to everysingle spot. You know, a
lot of these places didn't respond.Somebody did did respond. Some of the
professors who responding and say, well, I don't do this kind of work,
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and a lot of these places Ijust I just go and ask,
well how about some students, youknow, because I know that when you're
taking law school, you have todo so many hours of work on a
case you know, so a lotof these people they had to do that
in order to get their degree.So that's what I was kind of banking
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on the go. If anything,somebody that does not have any h any
experience or anything, but that's kindof ambitious and that kind of wants to,
you know, do something. Havea better chance for somebody like that
than an actual lawyer, because nottoo many lawyers are going to do anything
for free, you know. Soin the meantime right well, doing all
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this stuff, my dad he worksat the Los Angeles Athletic Club in downtown
LA. This is like, youknow, there's a lot of people that
go there that are you know,lawyers and doctors and just kind of like,
you know, people that are welloff. So I guess my dad,
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you know, he knows this lawyerthere, but that's he's friendly with
and his name is uh, it'splayed Jeff. And this guy, you
know, he ends up becoming ajudge. He's actually a sitting judge right
now. And I just see himon the news. Like a week or
two ago or two, two guysgot found innocent that have spent like seventeen
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years in prison and they had beenconvicted of of gang enhancements and gun enhancements
and the murder the same kind ofsame thing as me. Well, I
guess they gotta get released. Andthen they were they were still going to
court to get found innocent, andthis this guy, aged Clay Jack ends
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up being the judge. He findsthe innocent, you know, based on
the real shooter confesses, you know, and the real shooters in prison.
So I was tripping out because I'mreading this case and this it is pretty
much similar to my case. Well, anyways, my dad, I guess
he's talking to this guy. Hetells him about my place, and the
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Clay tells him, okay, welllet me let let me take a look
at it. So he goes overmy case and stuff and he says that
he'll take my case, charges myfamily fifteen thousand dollars. So, you
know, my dad tells me,okay, I got this lawyer. We
aren't his lawyer. This was intwo thousand and seven, and so this
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guy you know takes takes on mycase, my family pays him. I
tell him, look, I wantyou to come visit me. Man.
I don't want to talk over thephone. I don't want to learn this.
I want you to come vision you. If you're serious, you don't
come visit me. So we thetalking person. So this guy does.
He comes to see me in prison, pulls me out, so he talks
for a couple hours, you know, and I explained to him everything I
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tell, the whole entire thing,from fun to back, you know.
And this guy's like, look,I believe you. And if the big
thing I came, I said,look, man, if I'm not gonna
waste my family's money, you know, if I was guilty, I wouldn't
even bother man, Like, I'mnot gonna do that to my family,
and my family work was hard.They don't get nothing, man, They
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don't got the money to behind inorders and doing all this stuff. Man.
So I wouldn't even bother doing thatif if I was guilty, you
know. So I'm telling you rightnow that I'm innocent and that everybody's there
and this and that, and thenyou say no, well I believe you.
You know I'm gonna lyrithing. Icare for you, you know.
So I'm like, all right,So now I'm kind of focusing on this
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this lawyer, and I'm writing tohim all the time, and I'm writing
to him. I'm telling him everythingthat I can think of, man,
everything that I can that I hear, everything that I come across. I'm
writing to him. I'm telling him, you know, everything I can to
be helpful too, to be activein the case. You know, well,
the dude, man this, youknow, this motherfucker didn't do shit
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either. The dude did not donothing. The only thing he actually did
was I kept pressing him to doanother interview with the victim, you know,
and too, I told him learnin court, my attorney never actually
like uh asked them all the basicquestions, you know, like what give
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us a description, you know,what, what do you remember, like
give us, tell us about thegun, tell us, you know,
like more detailed questions that this fooddid not ask none of that stuff.
So I'm telling them the lawyer that, look, you need to focus on
that because of the description that oneof the officers he put in the police
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report. You know, that thevictim had to gave with description of a
of a guy wearing a gray,greyhooded sweatshirt, you know, and then
the police report it says right therethat the officer saw me wearing a blue
jacket with the white stripes on it. You know, those stripes were reflective,
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so none of the stuff came outof court. And the DA argued
that the description given was was hearsay, so that never actually went into course.
So the journey never heard that part, you know. So I'm telling
this lawyer like, look, man, I need to get a get a
one on a lower with this withwith William and do an interview and ask
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the hard questions, ask the questionsthat are going to get straight to it,
you know. So they does theinterview. It takes forever to get
this done because you know, firstthey have to track down William, and
then William when they do find them, he's living in Kansas, you know.
So now we have to find aninvestigator in Kansas. You gotta payer
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investigator in Kansas to set up theinterview. And then and then the jack
was either going to fly out thereand the interviewing face to face or do
it over the phone. So thisdude ends up doing it over the phone,
and he does. He does theinterview. And so when I get
a copy of this interview, I'mlooking at the literary and I'm like,
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man, you still didn't focus onthe main stuff. You know, because
it was just the same type ofstuff that was already in the court in
the trial, you know, Sothat that brought me upset. Man,
And because this dude's dragging out mycase, right, he's saying that he's
gonna foul the appeal, right,but he hadn't done nothing. So this
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is years later. This was intwo thousand and seven. This guy has
my case for the next like threeto four years, right, because I
mean I ended up going to corpuanshoe. So I'm sitting in Corplan's shoe
in two thousand and eleven, Sothis is outly like four years later.
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You know, this dude's still hada foul nothing. That's dude studn't done
for me. And I'm sitting inthe shoe, and you know, my
mom sending me a letter and tellsme that this lawyer is no longer my
lawyer, that this dude turned.This dude became a judge, so he
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dropped my case. And I'm like, wait a minute, what the hell,
Like I didn't get an over laterinforming me that he was going to
drop my case, you know.And and we started the contract, so
I had a copy of the contract. My mom send me a contract.
So I had a copy right there, and I told him that I'm want
all all the receipts. Send meall the receipts of the payments for those
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fifteen thousand dollars everything, right,So my family sends me this. So
I'm back there. You know,I'm stuck in myself from twenty four seven,
so I had nothing else to do. So I'm older than Alla Bury.
You know, I'm like, I'mI'm a suitor, dude. Man,
I'm gonna putting the complaint. I'mgonna go all out. You know,
I'm this um. So I dothat. I put in a complaint
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to the bar, you know,in the bar writing me back and says,
hey, well he's no longer alawyer, so you had to get
at the judicial committee because he's ajudge. So then I write to the
judicial committee and they told me,well, this happened while he was a
lawyer, so you need to getat the bars. So these more suckers
are send me back and forth.Man, they're giving me the runaround.
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You know. Finally, you know, I get the paperwork to file against
them, you know, and andthe judicial committee they review it and they
deny it, and I what thefuck know that? So I end up
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losing that. So now I'm tryingto see if I can get that money
back. The complaint didn't go through, but now I'm seeing one. Maybe
I can get another attorney to helpme get that money back. Right,
So we don't get the money back, you know, we don't get the
money back. We end up gettingsome money, right because we ended get
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this other lawyer and she this islater down the line, and we end
up getting another lawyer and she wasable to get like five thousand dollars.
But that five thousand dollars only rightback to that lawyer that the souls and
like, we didn't get nothing outof it. Man, But the dude
turns into a judge, you know. And you know that's crazy because I
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see him down the line. LikeI said, I've seen him on that
case. But while I'm in theshoe, you know, I start I
start writing a game. I startwriting all these places because you got to
think about this is down these arethe years and years and years. So
in the beginning, I'm trying togo about it my way and find somebody,
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and then we end up getting thelawyers so that kind of put me
on pause. Now I'm just dependingon this lawyer for these next four years.
And then you know, two thousandand eleven, I found out that
this dude is no longer my lawyer. You dropped my case. Well actually,
you know, he ends up givingmy case to a different lawyer,
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right, But I tell that lawyerlike, you know that that's not in
the contract, Like you can't justgive my case to another lawyer. So
I don't even want that lawyer.I don't even know who this lawyer is.
I don't know nothing about them.So I'm like, no, I'm
good, I don't I don't evenwant this lawyer. I want my money
back, you know. So nowI'm I'm without a lawyer, without nothing,
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getting found nothing. So I'm sittingin the shoe, like I said,
got nothing to do, man,twenty four seven year year in yourself.
So now I'm putting in slips togo to the li Liveberry every single
every single chance I get. Youknow, you could go like once or
twice a week. So I'm goingto live live Berrier and I'm trying to
read as much as I can,and I'm trying to look up all the
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caces I can you know, basedon the better seninar to mine, you
know, based on the identification,based on the gun enhancements, gang enhancements,
attempt to murder everything. And youknow, I'm looking up all kinds
of stuff and I'm getting these casesprinted out, and I find a bunch
of stuff, a bunch of stuffon ineffective Assistance Council, you know,
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identification like all that stuff. SoI'm getting ready, like I'm I'm just
trying. I say, you know, I'm gonna do this myself, man,
because I'm writing to all these otherplaces again, Like I get another
directory again, you know what,I'm writing all these other places again.
I'm trying to get help again.But nobody cares. Nobody's listening, nobody's
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trying to help me. Nobody's reallyreplying the reply letters that I get or
say well, we can't help you, but if you get these people,
maybe they can help you, youknow. So they're kind of give me
the run around as well if theyeven answer. You know, remember,
you know, reading a book assome expert at wrote about how corrupt you
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know the system is and how youknow these officers get away with all this
stuff, and so I look upthe author, you know, I get
the actor's info, and I'm writingactor hoping that maybe okay to this author
to plug me in. Maybe theyhave some kind of sources or something,
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you know, because that's my case. My case is all big, you
have sixty, but case is allbased on these crooked ass cops. Man.
So you know, I write tothis author, but I don't get
no response, So I write tohis aunthor no response, you know,
son, getting getting kind of youknow, getting no, no kind of
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action there. So you know itstarts just you know, he started feeling
all fucked up, like fuck,man, nobody gives a fuck, you
know, in this whole time.You know I felt that way, but
rejection after rejection after rejection that shejust kind of getting green, Like yeah,
man, nobody really really don't nobodygiven fun? Man, Like I've
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been trying to knock on all thesedoors, and all these doors are getting
slammed in my face. You know. So even though I'm still trying to
be optimistic, I'm still not tryingto quit. I'm not trying to give
up. I'm not trying to belike, you know, fuck it no
man, Like I'm still I'm stillgetting up and trying to get out there
and find something, to find away, you know. So I'm getting
(25:21):
out the shoe. You know.My mom's in Texas and she comes to
visit me, and I tell her, like, you know what, we
need to do something, man,Like we need to find that. We
need to find the lawyer. Likeyeah, I'm sick of this, you
know, like we need to dosomething now. You know. So I
have this this long conversation with mymom and I'm trying to tell my mom
(25:44):
like she needs to come out ofthe California. She needs to help me,
you know, because ain't nobody helpingme. You know my dad.
And my dad's there right, butyou know, he's always working and he
doesn't have a really good understand youknow what I'm saying. You don't.
You don't speak English great, youknow, so that's that language barrier,
(26:06):
and you know people's awfulers take advantageof that. Bron And you know,
my my, my, my otherlittle brothers and sisters are still young.
You know, my oldest sister.I try to get her as well,
you know, like I try tohave that conversation with her, like,
man, you guys need to helpme like this, I've been trying.
(26:27):
I've been here all these years.I shouldn't even be here inside these serious
conversations. And my sisters I,okay, lost, I'm gonna try to
help you, you know. Sonow we're looking for another lawyer. This
is when I would come across theother lawyer name Susan Ferguson, and she
(26:48):
charges us I think it was likethree thousand and four thousand to read the
case. And then and then sheshe reads the case and okay, she
says she wants more money, sowe end up giving her more money.
Right, she's the woman helping uswith getting some of that money back from
(27:11):
some clay um. But this lady, this lady, she she didn't she
didn't have an office. She's workingfrom home. So the kind of way
I was like, I was thinking, okay, maybe it's good, you
know, like she she didn't havea big, big law firm. She's
kind of entertainment. You know,maybe she's hungry, she wants to get
(27:33):
some wins under there. But herdoubt, you know, because you can't
underestimate everybody, you know, likesome of these people that they don't have
to have these big ole law firmsdo all this learn your own and they're
the hardest worker. So you know, I'm kind of hoping. I'm hoping
this person he's gonna try to help, you know, all that doesn't go
(27:56):
nowhere. You know, she endsup like I said, she kind of
spooked Clay and that food gives upthe five thousand, which I shouldn't got
my whole all of my money backfifteen thousands. You know, it would
have got five thousand. So Iguess they kind of got scared of they
are the lawyers, so they paidup just five thousand. She keeps the
(28:17):
five thousand, and then she's supposedto file some other stuff. We end
up paying for a ballistics expert,right, criminologist, I think it's gone.
So my whole theory is this,right, we get the bullet and
(28:38):
re examine it, improved that it'snot from a forty four, because,
like I said, the whole theory, the whole entire theory of the DA
is two people shot William simultaneously atthe same exact time, one with the
thirty eight and well the forty four. But this is this is a lie.
(29:00):
This did not occur. One personcalled Andrew a telephone number they'll monitored
and recorded one person with one gunshot William. That was it. One
person only, one gun only andit was a thirty eight. You know,
by this time I know the truth. You know, by this time
(29:22):
I heard the story, so Iknow exactly what it was. You know,
I hadn't had no perspect protector,but the streets talk, you know,
so I knew exactly what happened.They told me like, yeah,
it's what happened, so I knewthe story. So I'm okay, Well,
now that I know the truth,I could use that. Right.
So the victim, William, henever got one of the bullets removed because
(29:48):
the doctors didn't want to remove it. They didn't want to cut him open,
and they didn't want to go inthere and you know risk in turn
of bleeding or whatever. For whateverreason is the doctors said, no,
we cannot to bullet out. We'regonna go ahead and leave it in there.
So he still has the bullet inthem. So, you know,
we end up planning this expert.She hired an expert, right, we
(30:11):
take like twenty five bucks and allshe does, right, she sends him
the papers right from the other ballisticexpert about the bullets. She sends him
those two pages and asked him forhis opinion, and then the dude right
the bag and he's like, uh, what am I supposed to do with
(30:32):
this? Like I thought I wasgonna get a bullet out, you know,
I thought I was gonna conduct myown my own research. And he's
like, I can't give you noletter on this, you know, And
he charged me for that. Man, sounding like fun, he tried me
for that. He didn't do ship, you didn't do listing, he said,
well, fucking you. They weretalking about I can't be listing with
(30:56):
this. So I'm I'm just I'mjust kind of like heartbroken, like fuck
man again, you know again,another fucking layer bullshit, you know.
Oh so yeah, that shit kindof fucking got shot down, right.
But the whole idea was if wecould convince William to get surgery, get
(31:18):
the bullet taken out, and getthe bullet tested, prove that it's a
thirty eight, because you know,a thirty eight revolver it leaves barrel markings
and then and it leaves I guessfrom the pen it leaves a mark,
right, so you can you canidentify the bullet, and basically they already
(31:45):
had another a bullet. One ofthe bullets went straight through, so it
was a solid slug, right,So they had that in evidence. So
that's going to have the barrel markings. So if the bullet that wouldn't have
the side of him, it's extractedand they compare it to the bullet.
They already have an evidence and thoserail markings are identical. That proves beyond
(32:07):
a doubt that this is the sameexact gun that shot both bullets. So
only one person shot, only onegun was used, and that kills the
DA's theory. You know, thatautomatically gets my case overturned because it's all
built on lines. It was aboat with as theory. So that was
my whole kind of hope. Butthat should kind of shot down, and
(32:31):
it was because I am incompetent asfuck the lawyer. You know, I
try to get it the expert myself, but the expert, or according to
the lawyer, the expert didn't wantto speak directly to the to us.
They only they only want to getwith an attorney. It gets because of
to avoid any kind of discrepancies,like to have any kind of like I
(32:55):
guess that was kind of suck itup in court. You know, like
if they to bring the whole wallhe's in contact with the with the defendants
whole, there must be some kindof bias. So I guess according to
the lawyer, he didn't want totalk to us. You want to wanted
to talk to the So after wesee like basically shit and doing shit,
(33:19):
we fired her. You know.Now this is like this is like another
thirty four years pass, you know. So it just happened around two thousand
and twelve. From two thousand andtwelve to like two thousand and sixteen,
two thousand and sixteen or seventeen,so wasted another like four years, you
know, Murphy. So at thattime, I'm like, you know what,
(33:45):
fucking man, that's it. I'mdone with these fucking bullshit as lawyers.
And know I'm just like I'm done. I don't care no more.
Like I'm just gonna hope and praythat some kind of law passes that's gonna
help, you know. And theypassed this youth defender right, so anybody
(34:06):
that was under the age of twentysix years old goes to prol soon.
Now, all night, if you'vegot life. You just have to do
either or fifteen years. If youdon't have life, it's fifteen years if
you If you do have life,if you got under twenty five life,
you got twenty years. If you'vegot twenty five life, you gotta do
twenty five years. So I gotforty four years to life. So I
(34:29):
get this paper, so I thinkit was twenty eighteen. I get this
paper saying that I qualify for YouthOffender Pro board in twenty twenty nine.
And originally, you know, Idon't go to board until twenty forty night,
so that's twenty years that I getto go to board early. So
I'm like, you know, whatfucking I'm just gonna wait until twenty twenty
(34:52):
nine. I know, hopefully somemore last pass and now you know,
I'm starting to see all these otherlaws passing, you know, a lot
of resentencing stuff, and then allthese things coming about. Right, but
the majority of this stuff is notretroactive. So because my case is sold,
(35:12):
I will qualify for none of thisstuff. But I see this one
case called the AB twenty or fortytwo, and it's talking about that the
DA can now basically open up theircase and resentence you. So now you
know a lot of people are gettingthese attorneys right, but it's all a
(35:34):
scan comes to find out right thatnobody, no attorney can file these resentencing
They can't do it right because theDA has to do it on his own.
But here the DA or the prisonright at the CDC, they have
to file a petition to the tothe DA asking them to ree your case.
(35:55):
Right, A lawyer can't do that. So these fucking lawyers over you're
turning every but hey, man,give us five thousand dollars in the world
file this petition for you, whichwas all the fucking scam. They can't
do that right because they're not acceptinganything from any lawyer. Well, a
lot of us got played. Man. I paid for that ship, you
know, not knowing but now comingto find out that it was all bullshit.
(36:20):
So I paid for that. Ipaid I think like four thousand bucks
to get that petition and supposedly theattorney filed it, you know, So
I never heard ship from that.Well in two thousand and twenty, you
know, I say, you knowwhat my dad tells me. He's like,
(36:44):
look, I just got to settlement. Let's call Andrew A telephone numbers,
monitor and recorded. But that's likeI got to settlement. I got
money, right now, you know, let's do this, man, Let's
just find another lawyer to get outthat. It's been too long. You've
been in there all this time.So that's what we do, right.
(37:06):
We start looking and we come across. We come across Barhoma and he's got
this this big old ad. Youknow, he's got all these um claims
that he's won all these cases.Tell him aout super lawyer, number one
lawyer, top ten percent, likeall this flashy shit, right, so
(37:27):
you're looking like, oh man,it's must be one of the best ones,
like, and you're thinking, okay, I'm gonna hire this dude,
right, So we hire him thereand he plays me. We take him
three thousand bucks to look at thecase. So he looks at the case
and he's, Okay, I'm gonnareach your case. If you hire me,
take off three thousand dollars from whateveryou're I'm gonna charge you. If
you don't hire me, I'm gonnakeep the three thousand dollars. So there's
(37:50):
more. Fucker's gonna win no matterwhat. So you know, he reviews
the case excuse me, a littleprint out talking about what he thinks like
qualify for one of the one ofthe things he's tned me of for the
you had sixty seconds for the commutationof sentence. They're getting at the governor.
(38:14):
So we're now okay, we hireyou, you know, and that's
that's uh, that's where that's howmuch you offer right now because I got
to go school already
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