March 18, 2025 • 38 mins
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The Bible tells us to be angry. How can we be angry without sinning? When did Jesus get angry? Jeremy shares a story that would make anyone angry, and how he handled it.
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The Bible tells us to be angry. How can we be angry without sinning? When did Jesus get angry? Jeremy shares a story that would make anyone angry, and how he handled it.
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow #patrickbetdavid
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're gonna talking about anger today.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
So let me tell you about flag football. So we're
playing so Michael, you saw how intense it gets, right, Yeah,
So we're in that some hunter has his next game,
the one before the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
What age group is this? This is you ten? So
they're ten.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
There might be an eleven year old mixed in and
nine year old here and there, just depending on their birthday.
But so so these parents want to win so bad, right,
So they're playing this team. They really have one good
player and that's like how they're getting all their points, right,
And he was giving us a challenge, right, and next thing,
(01:00):
you know, we can't pull his flag. His flag wouldn't
come out, Like three kids are trying to pull this
flag and so and my coach was like, why won't
the flag come out?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Right, our coach, because they're cupped.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
They are and they are hard to pull out anyway,
to be honest with you, Like these flags like they're
like little suction cups that go up in there, and
they're they're hard to pull out, like you can't.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Just touch them. And they have change I don't remember,
but they make noise to pull it out.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You can hear it, so like really, and that's when
they blow.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's not like the old bil crow or the it's
part of the.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Deals that you can hear it too. So you know
that the flag was pulled and the kids stopped running. Yeah,
like the kids know, like everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Knows that, No, not until I watched, But you can
hear them. I mean it's a lot, it's a it's
like a yeah. So anyway, the ref goes over to
the kid and just and they have the right to
check your flags, and they start tugging on them and
they won't come out. Finally they pull hard enough and
there's double sided duct tape.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What I make him right there? Well, they didn't make
the team for fit.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
If the kid gets disqualified, has to sit on the
sideline the rest of the game. So me actually comes
over and I'm like, hey, like, you know, can you
believe this? This kid had double you know, has tape
inside his flags. We don't know the time, what's going on.
So she goes, you know that's the parents did this,
and you know it's a shame because now the kid
pays the penalty. So I was talking to Hunter yesterday.
Hunter gets hey, I was talking to the kid that
got disqualified. It was his coach, loser, And so I
(02:27):
texted our buddy Gary, who's the head commissioner of it,
and I was like, Gary, I was like, just you know,
season's over. It doesn't matter now we beat him anyway,
but just a heads up, like Hunter, was tall been
doing that? That's what I'd like to know. I mean,
who knows. But I was like, just heads up, this
is what's going on. And I was like, can you
believe people are taking U ten flag football?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
This?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Like serious? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I mean, And I said, but Hunter said it was
the coach. He goes, it wasn't the head coach, but
I know who it is. So now that guy got disqualified,
he's not allowed back at flag football. But the worst
part is now his kid, who wasn't This kid that
got disqualified won't ever get to play again.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So they disqualified the kid too.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, they don't disquality a kid. But I mean, if
you're the dad and the.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Coach, yeah, I was going to going to go look
for another place to play.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, So that I mean, that's how like serious these
guys are taking this game.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's ridiculous. And they get so angry when we.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Get so insane, When do we get so everybody thinks
their kid is going to be in the NFL or
the MLB and back in the day, and and I
was a I was bad, and I apologized. Not that
any of the kids will ever be watching this, but
I know anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I bet you brought a lot of kids to Jesus.
You just don't know it. I could coach. There's got
to be something better out there.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Coach Michael, coach Michael's stories.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Every thing is is I was. I coached like I
was coached in college. I didn't know any better. So
I'm sure you would do the same thing. You don't
know anybody. I do the same thing at work. Okay, Yeah,
I get it. I had to back off after the
first couple of years, and I did. I mean, things
got better.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But my thing was with umpires because I was one
and when my boys would pitch, I was in I
was in the umpire's ear big time, and I would
say stuff that push pushed the limit. But most of
the time I say.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Did you ever kick dirt over the uh over?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
The never did that, you know why, because he was
an umpire himself, and and you know I I never
did either, because I umpire when I wasn't coaching. I
was up there on the field when myt's kid wasn't
playing umpire someone else's game.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So I didn't. I never did that. What's the big
deal with that? Like, why is that so insulting to
an umpire?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Because their shoes are I mean, everything you do on
as an umpire, everything's in in night. I mean you
you can tell the slobs that shouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But like my shoes were pushed.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Some of the guys have the black patent leather shoes,
so everything's nice.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, that's umpire's gear is expensive.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The the baseball tantrums are the funniest, Like of all
the professional sports, the way that baseball players throw tantrums,
it's just it's it's childish and it's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There's not another sport where they can do stuff like
kick dirt on a base.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I love the one where the guy walks around, picks
all the bases up, throws them out.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, he's just like, what a way to get all
the other sports it's moving so fast, and baseball there's
so much, you know, between batters, you have it, but
basketball football it's like your yeah, you know what a
football sideline is like, it's chaos on a football side, right,
but you gotta you gotta snap and move because the
next play is going in thirty seconds and you don't
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have time to grab.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We don't have time to start, you know, run down
and grass.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They started doing shot clocks and baseball now too, right, yeah, pitchclock,
pitch but it's really sped the game. But I would
I'll never forget.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I had a buddy was standing at the screen with
me when we're I'm just in the umpires here bad
and I'm pushing the limit. And he finally got pissed
and he comes over to the screen and he starts
yelling at my buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And I just stepped back from the steps and he's like,
and you let your buddy? I did? I let him
take it off And he's like, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I didn't say a word. He said, the next time
you say something, you're gone. I'm like, oh, and I
was laughing my butt. Did you say something else? Just
getting thrown out? No, I didn't, but I really awesome.
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That was pushing the limit.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
But so other than driving down Interstate four for Michael driving,
this tough emotion that we have that sometimes it's hard
to cope with anger's running rampant in our country. I'm
unfollowing people left and right with the anger on either
(06:43):
side because I just don't want it cluttering my head anymore.
Because I notice if someone puts something on social And
I got an angry old man as a friend of
mine that used to be a teacher of mine years ago,
and I mentioned I finally just said, see because number one,
he's angry at our president and all the stuff. And
you know, we're six weeks into this thing and he's
(07:05):
already blaming him for everything in the world. Right, But
I get angry looking at his anger, and it takes
me to a place I don't want to go. And
how do we cope? How do you guys cope? Number one,
what's your trigger for what makes you angry? And then secondly,
how do you cope to dial it down a notch
(07:27):
or just put it in perspective.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It takes a lot for me to get angry. I
will say that does it?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But when I get angry like it's a and I
think that's probably my coping mechanism is I just push
it off and push it off and push it off
until you get the compartmentalizing everything. And then eventually it's like,
all right, you've gone far enough, and now I'm going
to tell you what I really think. And then I
lose it. I had a guy last week and I
(07:54):
had to do a project for we're doing this training
and uh it's a uh it's for leadership and we're
trying to put together what's called a I don't even
know what they're calling it now. It's some sort of
like proposition of like what's your value proposition?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So I had to pick up so I got all
the information that I could get. And I have a
man and that works for me that he is paid
to operate a system that has all the information about
the accounts that he keeps compliant, right, and then that
is like the bill rates that we pay, you know,
we bill for contractors things like that. So I go
up to him and I'm like, hey, man, and this
(08:28):
is Mondays shot him an email. Don't hear back from
him now. For whatever reason, he's been very resistant to
anything that my team or myself asked lately. So I
just asked him for some very simple say hey, I
got all this. What I need is a rate that
we would build for a contractor with this skill set
back in twenty twenty three. Right, it's all in the system, like,
(08:50):
and I don't even have access to the system because
I don't need access, Like it's literally his only job
is to operate this system and to make things sure
things are complying in that system. Don't hear back from So. Tuesday,
I fly up to Charlotte go in the office. I'm like, hey,
you know so and So I need that rate I
asked you for. And he was like, well, you know,
I just need a title. I was like, it doesn't matter,
(09:11):
just pick a title that's close. And you know this
is for an internal exercise. So I'm like, just pick
a title it's closed, doesn't really matter. I send it over.
This should take him like four and a half minutes,
like maybe five, maybe three, you know what I mean,
Like it's it's that easy of an exercise. I go
into the office, end up tied up on calls, on meetings, whatever.
Afternoon comes by, still don't have what I'm asking for.
(09:32):
So I said, hey, man, I need that rate, like
it's for an internal project. I need you to like
get this to me because I got to get it
to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
At least.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, I don't get it, so he leaves early. I
don't get to go. So Thursday rolls around, come in
the morning or Wednesday crowls around. I say, hey, man,
I really need that rate, and I have to get
it over by like noon if possible, so that we
can do it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We need to do with it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And he was well, and they asked me the same
questions again. So I sent an email Tuesday evening and
I was like, hey, here's all the information you need
for the project we're doing. I'm waiting on this person
to give me this piece of information. So he replies
to the email Wednesday, after I've asked him about it.
He goes, this is the first I've heard of it. Oh,
(10:21):
Now me being me read it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Here we go here we go. The beast is getting edgy,
and I see it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I'm in a meeting and I just stand up, and
the people are in the meeting are like, what's going on.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I was like, I'll be back, I'll be back there.
I walk out of.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
The meeting in this conference room where there's like seven people,
and I just stand up and walk out, and I'm
leading the meeting, so like they need me to run
this meeting so everybody knows that something's up right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I walk over to the corner of the office where
he's at. Nobody's there.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I will never yell at anybody or confront anyone in public.
Likes That's a rule of mine, because I also don't
know what I'm going to say and I need no witnesses.
He said, it's very important that it's a me versus you.
I walk up to him and I was like, Hey, so
and so, what you just sent in that email was
extremely untruthful. I asked you for this same meaning email
(11:16):
on TUESDA Monday. I asked you for it two or
three times on Tuesday, and I asked you for it
again this morning. Now I don't care what else is
on your f and plate. When I ask you for something,
you will do it, and I need you to get
me that rate. Doesn't do it, still doesn't do it.
Four o'clock rolls around. I'm finally out of me. So
(11:36):
I see him and he's avoiding me. And I can
tell he's avoiding me because he's walking on the far
side of the office every time he walks past, because
I'm in this conference room. It's literally in the center
of the office. It's got a huge like glass front
to it, so I can see what everybody's doing right.
I also can see because I walked out one time
to use the restroom, that he has time to bullshit
around with three other employees. And so I see him
(11:59):
walk by and he puts his head down and does
like the quick walk through gets the other side of
the office, and I was like, you know, I don't
have anything else to do now, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get what I need.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I walk over to him, like Derek, I was like,
didn't I ask you for something this morning? After you
lied want an email? I was like, I need that
information right now, and he gave me some excuse about
places this other thing. I said, listen, I don't think
you understand how this works. I was like, you might
report on paper to my peer, but I pay for
half your salary. I was like, and if you want
(12:28):
to keep that half of your salary, you're gonna get
in the system and you're gonna look it up right
now while I'm standing here. And if you don't, you will,
I will put your job in India. WHOA, Like, so
this is how I handle stuff, right Like, this is
the pissed off Jeremy coming out.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Sure, well it took you four days, yeah, but it
took me three days. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now at home, I'll blow up. Now that's all different story.
But like, but I mean, what the hell, man, But I.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Know exactly how you're feeling, dude, I really do. I
do the same thing. But you handled it pretty well
for four freaking days.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I was going to say, like, on its face, like
the first time, that wouldn't really be something worth getting
angry about. But because it went on for four days,
you talk to this guy four or five times, you
lied about it. Like, I understand that. I understand you
getting angry, and I think you probably held it together
better longer than most people would because you know, you're
talking about suppressing anger and I'm thinking one hundred years ago,
two hundred years ago, Like we have the luxury of
(13:30):
being angry about more frivolous things now than ever. Oh yeah,
you know, like like if my son comes down it
says the WiFi is not working in his room and
he can't play his video game, it's like, I'll get up,
like where's my WiFi? You know, I get I get
angry about dumb stuff like that, and it's like it
really doesn't matter. But a couple hundred years ago, you know, survival,
you might get angry about somebody, you know, taking your
(13:51):
sword and you can't defend yourself for your family, like
like it was. It was pretty stark contrast back then.
And I think maybe anger back then was more justified, justified,
maybe maybe used better. Like now we get angry about
stupid things all the time that we shouldn't be angry about.
So maybe back then, hundreds of thousand years ago, they
didn't suppress anger so much because they had to deal
(14:12):
with stuff life and death things every day.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So you know, think about what makes us angry, why
we get angry?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Is it worth it?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
There was a Winston church Hill quote where he says
a man is about as big as the things that
make him angry. So it's like, do we are we
reduced to getting angry about frivolous things? And like I said,
like initially, if you got angry the first time about that,
then I'd say, yeah, that's kind of frivolous. But it
went on for a long time and the guy didn't
(14:42):
do what he's supposed to do. He was you know,
so I think that in that case, some kind of anger,
some kind of accountability, was justified.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
You know, I get angry at obviously I got to
get a hold on it. And that's driving. I just
I can't deal with with morons on the road, and
I know I got to get a handle on it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And some Brad's struggling with that right now. We're in
the middle of snowbird season. Oh yeah, and Brad's dealing
with a big time.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Well where I have to drive where we live.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You have to go eight miles either direction to get
anywhere else on a two lane road, and so there's
people going thirty nine miles an hour for eight miles
and there'll be there'll be ten cars piled up behind
them and they won't move, or they're on their phone
or they don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So yeah, I have a heart. It's driving, So I'm
getting a handle on that.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
But injustice for people that have been wrong, that's a
lot of where my anger I And I think my
sons had told me once, said Dad, you don't like
injustice too, And I said, no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I don't like when people are wrong.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
For reasons that are out of their control and somebody
takes advantage of them. That really makes me angry injustice.
I got a question. You know, David was told to
slay Goliath. Do we now would.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We pray for Goliath and hopefully get him saved? Mean?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Or would we be that ballsy I mean when God
tells us to do something because not everything. I mean
you look through the Old Testament, they could they kicked
ass and took names, and God's God said do this
or this is going to happen, you know. And I
think a lot of my fear of the heavenly Father
was because of that, that wrath.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And then you know, I saw the wrath at home.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
With my earthly father and it was like I couldn't
get a good handle on who my heavenly Father was
about you know, the love until just a few years ago.
But when you're told by God to do something and
it's like out of the norm, do we do it?
I mean the anger of all that that injustice, what
(16:44):
Glad was doing, and David took him out.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Would we as Christians? Are we to the point where
we just, oh, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Know, I'll pray for you, or I'll pray for that
situation instead of doing something about it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
But that's where a lot of mine.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I think even David answers it in one of the psalms,
and I don't remember which one it is. But there's
a time place for everything, you know, there's a time
for this was the birds. I mean, I think that's
the case, right, There's a time to be angry. I
mean Jesus got angry when he flipped a bunch of
tables over in the temple. I mean, he displayed that
emotion to us very clearly. And I remember having a
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woman that was Catholic one time. Tell me, that's the
only time in the Bible Jesus sinned.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
He sinned in his anger. That's what That's what she
was saying, is she said that he sinned in there's
too many.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Scriptures that say he was without spot right. Well, I'm
just not that. That's what she told me, which was interesting.
That might have been the closest he came to sinning.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Maybe maybe you know, okay, but how could he flip
the tables and be that angry without sinning? I think
it's he was defending the holy place. He was defending
God's house. So sometimes that's what that looks like. But
he didn't have any guile in him. He wasn't there
was no ego involved. It was he saw that people
were taking advantage of those who were coming to worship
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the Lord, and I think that's justifiable.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
But but he was doing it for God's will, his will.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right, So so I think that's the question is when
does when does anger become sinful?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Okay, but let's look at it. Did he do it violently?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Was he saying whipping people with the with the whip
and turning over table?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So so, what's what's your trigger point for anger? Brad?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, like like like it is driving. It's it's
just like on a daily basis, Although I have I
do feel like I've mellowed a lot the past year
or two, Like There's some days where I just don't care.
But there's some days if I'm in a hurry and
I'm like, why is this person going three miles below
the speed limit?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Is that because you guys are getting closer in age
to the people you're mad at?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Nice?
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't think I'll ever drive that
slough to be honest with you, all right, right, I
really don't.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Trey has no issue with it. Hey, I'm sorry, he's coming.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah. I As I'm looking through how I handle anger,
I'm like, kind of like you, I got to be
really pushed a lot before I really lash out and
lose my temper or whatever. And then most of the
time when I do, I regret it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
What's the scripture being angry and not How do you
be angry and not sin?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I don't think I sinned when I told that gentleman
how I felt about him.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I don't think it was a sin. No, I don't.
I was just super correct about how My question is is,
how do you I mean yesterday on?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Do you Okay, let's let's go through some scripture. Be angry,
do not sin, Do not let the sun go down
on your anger? Do you go to bit angry. Ever, yes,
often I have not so much time I have when
you wake up the next morning, When you wake up
the next morning, I have to win, you know. And
(19:56):
he's made that comment about arguments with his wife and things.
You know, I got to give up my right to
be right, which is so big when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Ever, since you said that, I used that in myself
a lot, like I do give that Like I'm like,
you know, what, do I really need this win? Because
it's a win I need like and then.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Right, because are you defending your pride? Is it your
ego that you're defending something? I mean, a lot of
times we get angry, it is.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, and a lot of times yeah exactly. When a
lot of times we get angry, it's we need to
do a gut check on why we're getting angry.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Truthfully, since Brad said that, and I'm not saying I'm
like better than anybody else, And I guess I do
sometimes hold one of the things and stay angry, you know,
And I probably have it in there, and maybe it's
a defense mechanism that I just compartmentalize it down to
where it's like, hey, it's not worth my time, right,
But I really try not to, like go to bed angry,
wake up angry a lot of times. Usually the person
(20:46):
that if I'm angry with and that's happening is my wife,
Like she's the only one that I actually care enough about,
if that makes sense. Not many people in my life
I care enough about to where I'm like, hey, I'm
gonna let you affect my sleep or affect the way
I wake up in the morning. And but she usually
wakes up angry and then I just get to start
off at where she left off. What usually more fear.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I think on what about James's quote, We know, you know,
everybody should be quick to listen, you know, slow to speak,
and anger, But then after he puts a caveat at
the back back into that because human anger does not
produce the righteousness that God desires. Can you walk into
anger and walk in righteousness at the same time. And
we're walking in righteousness because of the blood of Christ
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and our belief in it.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But at the same.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Time, michaelis every time, usually Jeremy, but.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Mine always it's more that was old school, yeah, old school, right.
That was a ring like one of the little the
rotary phone remember we had.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
One of my kis, Michael's got a rotary attachment on
his phone's actually literally by.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
The way, have you seen them? Try the video of
the kids like and they're like, we don't know what
to do with this.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, I've seen that. It's funny. I love it. So.
So you're asking if we can.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
If we if we're walking out anger, how can we
walk out righteousness if we're letting the anger affect us?
How can how can people see the righteousness?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, you know, like going back to what Michael said,
if you're angry about people being what was he injustices? Injustice?
I think I think that there's a righteous indignation. I
think that's a righteous anger. Yeah, injustice.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And Donna say, is that all the time?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That you know? I I it rubs me wrong if
something's not fair to somebody, exactly right, that's what you're
saying too. So and you know Donnah, she'll get she
gets very upset if something she feels like someone is
done wrong and it's not fair, it's not justified.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I can see that, sure, Well, don't we see in
the Old Testament? But before Christ, obviously there's wrath of
God and they talk about the anger of God. Right,
And I mean God got angry because and but the
reasons he got angry, right, I think the important thing
that take from the stories, right, it's like, hey, like
these people were Sodom and Gomora. I bet he wasn't happier. Yeah,
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he wiped out a whole city screame Noah. I mean
I talk about how much it took the piss God off,
the flood the whole earth.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I mean it's like, hey, guys, you're doing a lot
of bad stuff to get me to this point.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And they were warned for one hundred some years. I mean,
and they still did it. Oh man, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean that's that's kind of I mean, God displays anger.
It's an emotion that's in us, and we're breath in
his image.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
So I think when we dwell on our anger and
anger takes control of us that emotion, I think we
are so jaded or it's like we're on mute. We
can't hear the Holy Spirit during those times. And I
know that for a fact that's true with me that
when I am consumed by anger, I don't hear the
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still small voice that that says, you know, do this
do that think about this situation.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I'm you're consumed by it.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Well, maybe that's your clue in that your anger is
not justified by God's glorious staff.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It ain't come from God whereas you know.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, because because don't we focus on ourselves a lot
when they're angry.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
This just made me mad. This was inconvenience to me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And it seems like some people that are angry a lot,
it's always about them, Like it's always something that was
done to them or something they didn't like. And so yeah,
jar me like, like what you said, it's it's probably
a good indication that you're not angry about the right thing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm gonna do better driving, guys. We'll see. I'm making
that promise.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Let me ask you, guys this, what do you do
when somebody's angry at you? Flip the script?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Uh? Great question.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
If it's a person of consequence in my life, like
a loved one, I'm usually crushed. Uh. If Donna's mad
at me and I look down deep, I'm going, oh,
it makes it makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Or if someone misunderstands me, and that's just my codependency way,
I like everybody to like like Trey.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
You know, ideally we're supposed to humble ourselves and go
to that person and try to try to make amends
whatever it is. I guess it depends if maybe if
they're angry at you for no reason.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
That you having a problem with your brother or your
brother having a problem with you, that we need to
go to them.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
The latter, So I mean neither way I would. I
would probably go to them if the brother's wrong to you.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
If the brother's wrong to you, or you go to
him and try to settle it.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
If it's frivolous, if it's something frivolous that they're offended
by about me, they're angry at me for something frivolous
that's not justified.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm not going to go out of my way to
to try to put out every little fire, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I do?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But okay, And I'm going to share this and I'm
okay with it. But I have two siblings that hate
my guts, and I don't know why am I supposed to.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Go to them because I've I've tried to reach out
my brother and I tried to.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Actually visit them on the golf coast. So I don't
know what what do I do in that situation?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Do I do?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I continue to keep reaching out even though I don't
know what I did.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
They're obviously angry at you about something or.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I don't know the scripture answer, but I mean my
answer is, hey, I've reached out several times. Right, if
you don't want anything to do with it, I'm not.
I mean, I'm here for you. Just I'm leaving that
message that the door's open when you're ready.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
But yeah, there's only so much you can do. And
then you pray for them, but I do pray for them.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You've you've reached out multiple times, maybe once every couple
of years. You say, oh, I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I haven't reached out since my dad's since we closed
my dad's estate. And that's that. That whole thing was
what I think caused a lot of it. But it's
it's anger, not on my part. I mean, it's you
can you can see it on their face. How twenty sixteen,
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but up until that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Point it was years.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Because it's been nine years since you've talked to them. Yes,
it might be worth a voicemail, but.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Something happened recently where I was not allowed to go
to my niece's graduation party in Bradenton because of her.
So my nephew call it said, hey, uncle, Mike, don't
don't come.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Wow. So that's just been a couple of years. Well
there's there's something there man.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
So and I don't mean to get off on me,
but I just wanted to share that because I'm sure
there's other people that are dealing with that.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, especially if it's a family situation that breaks your heart.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Do you you know, scripturally do I leave the altar
and go make amends?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Is that? Is that what? You're not leaving the altar,
you're taking it with you. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
No, but I think the scripture says leave, leave your
leave the altar, and go make amends before you come
back to the altar, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So I don't know, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So what that scripture says, be angry, but send not.
I mean it's saying like it's saying be angry. It's
not just saying if you get angry, no, if it happens,
it's actually telling you to be angry.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So I think we have to look at what what
we're supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Angry about I think, I think, I think you're right.
A lot of times, anger and worry and things I'll
kind of merge together a lot of times in our
life lives. You know, we're worried about an outcome when
it starts falling off the wheels, the anger grows in
us A lot of times. It's a reflection of us,
you know, looking deeper inside. But anger is an emotion
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that God gave us for some reason. Well, he has
it right, and that's where I just that's where I
go back to righteous anger.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He you know, he gives it to us.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And if through that anger like your kids is a
prime example. You know, you know your kids watch every
move you make, right, every move, tense situation at the
ball field or a disagreement with someone, some anger gets up.
How do you shine Jesus through that where your kids see, hey,
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my dad handled that in a great way.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Well, and how do you handle it when you don't?
And when you don't, what do you do about it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, guys, that was bad form on my part. I
let I let I let this emotion overcome me. This
emotion isn't who I am.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I am in.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Christ, Jesus, Jesus Jesus had anger and displayed it, and
that led me to say some things that came out
of my mouth and public that weren't the right thing
to say.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You know, however, you have that conversation with your kids.
But that's what I noticed about people, That is how
they handle difficult situations in life. And if the anger
is welling up inside of us, someone's watching us to say, wow, man,
how you handled that was admirable. Man, that was a
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tough one for you. I could you were acting out
a character from what I normally see from you, you know.
So we walked that line of I'm going to show
Jesus through the anger. I'm going to show Jesus through
the sadness, the disappointments, the It's easier to show Jesus
when things are going amazingly in their life, right, But
those moments where it's suffering or anger or sorrow, that's
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when that's when people notice.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Jesus worked you.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
And I look at snapshots of my life. If I
take snapshots of my life in that period during the
Little League thing and all that, the boys competitive and
the stuff that would come out of my mouth and
the way I acted was like they're gonna get people.
I could go back in that snapshot and re enter
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that situation and say, hey, yeah, I'm I'm a christ follower,
I'm a believe and they'd.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Be like, oh shit, you're what.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Yeah, they'd be like, Michael Thomas is a what No,
I don't think so how could he be exactly? So
that's that's what I think grieves the Father is we
are representatives of Christ and I think our action is
what and anger happens to be the worst and people
see it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's visual.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But you know what, I think your story and I
think this is where you have to like forgive yourself
a bit on these things. Is like, you know, and
I can tell my story too, right, We both all
of us have a story. But those same people they
saw you today and if they're listening to the podcast,
they're hearing Michael Thomas, this guy that was so over
the top and he's doing all this stuff Christian podcast
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they run into today and all of a sudden they're like,
well that's what I'm saying, right, It's like, well what
changed in Michael?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Like why is he this different guy? You remember Tim
blumshrom his funeral?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yes, all of his surfer buddies there under that pavilion
were like, he designed that logo on your shirt?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
What happened to him? Remember that? Yeah? That's cool. Yeah,
it's good testimony. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I was thinking if if as Christians our baseline, we
know that that we all of a sudden and following
short of the glory of God, we've been forgiven, Like
we have this undeserved grace that God's given us. So
hopefully that helps us not be become angry as easily
as the world. I mean, we should look different than
the world. And I don't know how people that don't
know the Lord, how did they suppress their anger? Or
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how do they anger? How did they how are they
angry without sinning? I don't know if they are, you
know what I mean. It's like I don't know if
I've seen a whole lot of people do the right
thing in their anger without I mean, without knowing the Lord.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I just I feel like as Christians we should have
I don't know if an advantage is.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
The right way to say it.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Well, I think if we if we put the filter
all the way back to what we're about. Yeah, God
put all his wrath on his own son, and if
we think of it that way, it kind of makes
us feel on the inside like God put his wrath
on Jesus, right, I mean, why am I showing this
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wrath when that rat's been taken care of already.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know, we.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Should have a baseline of peace because of that, because
we know eternally we're going to spend you know, eternity
in heaven with him. We're forgiven right, so that should
give us an extra level of peace that keeps us
from getting angry as easily.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But there it has for me. That's what impact has done.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
You know, the isolation, you know all that that led
up to me coming to that breakfast, and it's I
think knowing who you are in Christ gives you that piece,
gives you that different level of I can withstand the
arrows now where before I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I didn't know who I was.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
There's a guy in my life that's it's super important
to me, and he's angry. I mean he's like he
holds on this anger and it's deep in there. He's
got a very successful career. I mean, he's got everything
there except for maybe one or two things that he
wants right, and he says to me all the time
because I just don't know how you do it, Like
I just don't know how, And he wants to believe.
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He just hasn't accepted, I think is what it really
comes down to, because he's not where he wants to
be in his life from a certain perspective. You know,
it's just sad to watch that this this grown man
that's you know, has the whole world in front of him,
I mean, has everything you would.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Want from an earthly perspective.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It's just so angry inside that he has no joy,
no peace, no comfort, and it's sad. And I'm just like, man,
if you would just let go and just like give
up and let God, is that right? I was like,
your life would just be so much better because even
if you don't get it, then you'll know what the
answer is.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
By the way, isn't that what we do? Though?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
We ste on things and we still on the problem,
instead of focusing on the Lord and saying God can
take care of this. You know, he's above it all.
But instead we focus on whatever that thing is and
we ste on it. We turn it over in our
minds and we think about I can't believe I did this,
or I can't believe this happened to me, or this
person said that we dwell on it, and it just
takes us down.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You know, you know, you know what brings me down
is if I'm having a conflict, I'll actually stare in
the mirror and rehearse what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Whoa.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
And then after the conflict, if I didn't say the
right thing, I'll think of I should have said this,
and I'll play it out. I'll talk to myself and
play it out again. I mean, how crazy is that?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's so funny, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I know my wife she has to think about how
she's gonna argue with me ahead of times because she
has like a rolodex of shit that like comes out.
And I'm just liners, where did that come from? I'm
just like, that was twelve years ago. I remember what
I said twelve years ago.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I know it's about winning winning the argument right. The
worst thing I can say, and I do.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Say it, is you got your win ash Oh not good,
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You got your wine. You're right, and you know what,
You're right.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
It's now went from a thirty second argument to thirty
days yeah, instant, like we're going to fight for the
next month.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Is it worth it? It's never worth it?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
But sometimes am I just after I sit there and
listen to whatever I'm getting all that for, and usually
I deserve it, and I'm just like, all right, you
got your win, Like I'm done, Like I don't want
to talk about anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'm done.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
You're right, like you got your win. Like but I
say win, I don't say right. I'm like, you got
your win those like you need to win today, you
got it?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Like it doesn't really go I wonder what our four
wives would do if they sit around this boy and
and head.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I like to hear it.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I don't like to hear it. I really would if
they just listened to the podcast. They yeah, you start
with that. Man, here's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
As men, and our pride and the walls we put
up and the invincibility we try to show, sometimes anger
does take over. I love this conversation. If you're struggling
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Speaker 1 (36:23):
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Speaker 4 (36:25):
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Speaker 1 (36:30):
To us, and I feel a momentum going.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
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Speaker 1 (36:38):
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Speaker 4 (36:39):
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the sun go down on my anger. That's Elton John,
but don't let the sun go down on me?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Right? Yep? Were you an Elton fan me?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You weren't noe now dude back in late late seventies
early eighties, man, I was all about Van van Hale.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I didn't Yeah, I didn't need some piano dudeing.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
So we hope you joined us next week. We're inappropriate
jokes so you won't be there able to hear.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Where that said.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I'm trained, I'm Michael, I'm Brad, I'm Jeremy, and we're
not angry.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
We are just the you guys doing really good thing.
We're not cussing because we're mad. I cost a lot
this episode. What are you doing? Yeah, he got a
black arm, a couple of ships damns. All right, you
gotta go. How can I ask you three questions and
you give me quick answer
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're gonna talking about anger today.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
So let me tell you about flag football. So we're
playing so Michael, you saw how intense it gets, right, Yeah,
So we're in that some hunter has his next game,
the one before the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
What age group is this? This is you ten? So
they're ten.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
There might be an eleven year old mixed in and
nine year old here and there, just depending on their birthday.
But so so these parents want to win so bad, right,
So they're playing this team. They really have one good
player and that's like how they're getting all their points, right,
And he was giving us a challenge, right, and next thing,
(01:00):
you know, we can't pull his flag. His flag wouldn't
come out, Like three kids are trying to pull this
flag and so and my coach was like, why won't
the flag come out?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Right, our coach, because they're cupped.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
They are and they are hard to pull out anyway,
to be honest with you, Like these flags like they're
like little suction cups that go up in there, and
they're they're hard to pull out, like you can't.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Just touch them. And they have change I don't remember,
but they make noise to pull it out.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You can hear it, so like really, and that's when
they blow.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's not like the old bil crow or the it's
part of the.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Deals that you can hear it too. So you know
that the flag was pulled and the kids stopped running. Yeah,
like the kids know, like everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Knows that, No, not until I watched, But you can
hear them. I mean it's a lot, it's a it's
like a yeah. So anyway, the ref goes over to
the kid and just and they have the right to
check your flags, and they start tugging on them and
they won't come out. Finally they pull hard enough and
there's double sided duct tape.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What I make him right there? Well, they didn't make
the team for fit.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
If the kid gets disqualified, has to sit on the
sideline the rest of the game. So me actually comes
over and I'm like, hey, like, you know, can you
believe this? This kid had double you know, has tape
inside his flags. We don't know the time, what's going on.
So she goes, you know that's the parents did this,
and you know it's a shame because now the kid
pays the penalty. So I was talking to Hunter yesterday.
Hunter gets hey, I was talking to the kid that
got disqualified. It was his coach, loser, And so I
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texted our buddy Gary, who's the head commissioner of it,
and I was like, Gary, I was like, just you know,
season's over. It doesn't matter now we beat him anyway,
but just a heads up, like Hunter, was tall been
doing that? That's what I'd like to know. I mean,
who knows. But I was like, just heads up, this
is what's going on. And I was like, can you
believe people are taking U ten flag football?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
This?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Like serious? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I mean, And I said, but Hunter said it was
the coach. He goes, it wasn't the head coach, but
I know who it is. So now that guy got disqualified,
he's not allowed back at flag football. But the worst
part is now his kid, who wasn't This kid that
got disqualified won't ever get to play again.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So they disqualified the kid too.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, they don't disquality a kid. But I mean, if
you're the dad and the.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Coach, yeah, I was going to going to go look
for another place to play.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, So that I mean, that's how like serious these
guys are taking this game.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's ridiculous. And they get so angry when we.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Get so insane, When do we get so everybody thinks
their kid is going to be in the NFL or
the MLB and back in the day, and and I
was a I was bad, and I apologized. Not that
any of the kids will ever be watching this, but
I know anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I bet you brought a lot of kids to Jesus.
You just don't know it. I could coach. There's got
to be something better out there.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Coach Michael, coach Michael's stories.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Every thing is is I was. I coached like I
was coached in college. I didn't know any better. So
I'm sure you would do the same thing. You don't
know anybody. I do the same thing at work. Okay, Yeah,
I get it. I had to back off after the
first couple of years, and I did. I mean, things
got better.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But my thing was with umpires because I was one
and when my boys would pitch, I was in I
was in the umpire's ear big time, and I would
say stuff that push pushed the limit. But most of
the time I say.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Did you ever kick dirt over the uh over?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
The never did that, you know why, because he was
an umpire himself, and and you know I I never
did either, because I umpire when I wasn't coaching. I
was up there on the field when myt's kid wasn't
playing umpire someone else's game.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So I didn't. I never did that. What's the big
deal with that? Like, why is that so insulting to
an umpire?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Because their shoes are I mean, everything you do on
as an umpire, everything's in in night. I mean you
you can tell the slobs that shouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But like my shoes were pushed.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Some of the guys have the black patent leather shoes,
so everything's nice.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, that's umpire's gear is expensive.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The the baseball tantrums are the funniest, Like of all
the professional sports, the way that baseball players throw tantrums,
it's just it's it's childish and it's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There's not another sport where they can do stuff like
kick dirt on a base.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I love the one where the guy walks around, picks
all the bases up, throws them out.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, he's just like, what a way to get all
the other sports it's moving so fast, and baseball there's
so much, you know, between batters, you have it, but
basketball football it's like your yeah, you know what a
football sideline is like, it's chaos on a football side, right,
but you gotta you gotta snap and move because the
next play is going in thirty seconds and you don't
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have time to grab.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We don't have time to start, you know, run down
and grass.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They started doing shot clocks and baseball now too, right, yeah, pitchclock,
pitch but it's really sped the game. But I would
I'll never forget.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I had a buddy was standing at the screen with
me when we're I'm just in the umpires here bad
and I'm pushing the limit. And he finally got pissed
and he comes over to the screen and he starts
yelling at my buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And I just stepped back from the steps and he's like,
and you let your buddy? I did? I let him
take it off And he's like, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I didn't say a word. He said, the next time
you say something, you're gone. I'm like, oh, and I
was laughing my butt. Did you say something else? Just
getting thrown out? No, I didn't, but I really awesome.
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That was pushing the limit.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
But so other than driving down Interstate four for Michael driving,
this tough emotion that we have that sometimes it's hard
to cope with anger's running rampant in our country. I'm
unfollowing people left and right with the anger on either
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side because I just don't want it cluttering my head anymore.
Because I notice if someone puts something on social And
I got an angry old man as a friend of
mine that used to be a teacher of mine years ago,
and I mentioned I finally just said, see because number one,
he's angry at our president and all the stuff. And
you know, we're six weeks into this thing and he's
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already blaming him for everything in the world. Right, But
I get angry looking at his anger, and it takes
me to a place I don't want to go. And
how do we cope? How do you guys cope? Number one,
what's your trigger for what makes you angry? And then secondly,
how do you cope to dial it down a notch
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or just put it in perspective.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It takes a lot for me to get angry. I
will say that does it?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
But when I get angry like it's a and I
think that's probably my coping mechanism is I just push
it off and push it off and push it off
until you get the compartmentalizing everything. And then eventually it's like,
all right, you've gone far enough, and now I'm going
to tell you what I really think. And then I
lose it. I had a guy last week and I
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had to do a project for we're doing this training
and uh it's a uh it's for leadership and we're
trying to put together what's called a I don't even
know what they're calling it now. It's some sort of
like proposition of like what's your value proposition?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So I had to pick up so I got all
the information that I could get. And I have a
man and that works for me that he is paid
to operate a system that has all the information about
the accounts that he keeps compliant, right, and then that
is like the bill rates that we pay, you know,
we bill for contractors things like that. So I go
up to him and I'm like, hey, man, and this
(08:28):
is Mondays shot him an email. Don't hear back from
him now. For whatever reason, he's been very resistant to
anything that my team or myself asked lately. So I
just asked him for some very simple say hey, I
got all this. What I need is a rate that
we would build for a contractor with this skill set
back in twenty twenty three. Right, it's all in the system, like,
(08:50):
and I don't even have access to the system because
I don't need access, Like it's literally his only job
is to operate this system and to make things sure
things are complying in that system. Don't hear back from So. Tuesday,
I fly up to Charlotte go in the office. I'm like, hey,
you know so and So I need that rate I
asked you for. And he was like, well, you know,
I just need a title. I was like, it doesn't matter,
(09:11):
just pick a title that's close. And you know this
is for an internal exercise. So I'm like, just pick
a title it's closed, doesn't really matter. I send it over.
This should take him like four and a half minutes,
like maybe five, maybe three, you know what I mean,
Like it's it's that easy of an exercise. I go
into the office, end up tied up on calls, on meetings, whatever.
Afternoon comes by, still don't have what I'm asking for.
(09:32):
So I said, hey, man, I need that rate, like
it's for an internal project. I need you to like
get this to me because I got to get it
to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
At least.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, I don't get it, so he leaves early. I
don't get to go. So Thursday rolls around, come in
the morning or Wednesday crowls around. I say, hey, man,
I really need that rate, and I have to get
it over by like noon if possible, so that we
can do it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We need to do with it.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And he was well, and they asked me the same
questions again. So I sent an email Tuesday evening and
I was like, hey, here's all the information you need
for the project we're doing. I'm waiting on this person
to give me this piece of information. So he replies
to the email Wednesday, after I've asked him about it.
He goes, this is the first I've heard of it. Oh,
(10:21):
Now me being me read it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Here we go here we go. The beast is getting edgy,
and I see it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I'm in a meeting and I just stand up, and
the people are in the meeting are like, what's going on.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I was like, I'll be back, I'll be back there.
I walk out of.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
The meeting in this conference room where there's like seven people,
and I just stand up and walk out, and I'm
leading the meeting, so like they need me to run
this meeting so everybody knows that something's up right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I walk over to the corner of the office where
he's at. Nobody's there.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I will never yell at anybody or confront anyone in public.
Likes That's a rule of mine, because I also don't
know what I'm going to say and I need no witnesses.
He said, it's very important that it's a me versus you.
I walk up to him and I was like, Hey, so
and so, what you just sent in that email was
extremely untruthful. I asked you for this same meaning email
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on TUESDA Monday. I asked you for it two or
three times on Tuesday, and I asked you for it
again this morning. Now I don't care what else is
on your f and plate. When I ask you for something,
you will do it, and I need you to get
me that rate. Doesn't do it, still doesn't do it.
Four o'clock rolls around. I'm finally out of me. So
(11:36):
I see him and he's avoiding me. And I can
tell he's avoiding me because he's walking on the far
side of the office every time he walks past, because
I'm in this conference room. It's literally in the center
of the office. It's got a huge like glass front
to it, so I can see what everybody's doing right.
I also can see because I walked out one time
to use the restroom, that he has time to bullshit
around with three other employees. And so I see him
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walk by and he puts his head down and does
like the quick walk through gets the other side of
the office, and I was like, you know, I don't
have anything else to do now, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get what I need.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I walk over to him, like Derek, I was like,
didn't I ask you for something this morning? After you
lied want an email? I was like, I need that
information right now, and he gave me some excuse about
places this other thing. I said, listen, I don't think
you understand how this works. I was like, you might
report on paper to my peer, but I pay for
half your salary. I was like, and if you want
(12:28):
to keep that half of your salary, you're gonna get
in the system and you're gonna look it up right
now while I'm standing here. And if you don't, you will,
I will put your job in India. WHOA, Like, so
this is how I handle stuff, right Like, this is
the pissed off Jeremy coming out.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Sure, well it took you four days, yeah, but it
took me three days. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now at home, I'll blow up. Now that's all different story.
But like, but I mean, what the hell, man, But I.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Know exactly how you're feeling, dude, I really do. I
do the same thing. But you handled it pretty well
for four freaking days.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I was going to say, like, on its face, like
the first time, that wouldn't really be something worth getting
angry about. But because it went on for four days,
you talk to this guy four or five times, you
lied about it. Like, I understand that. I understand you
getting angry, and I think you probably held it together
better longer than most people would because you know, you're
talking about suppressing anger and I'm thinking one hundred years ago,
two hundred years ago, Like we have the luxury of
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being angry about more frivolous things now than ever. Oh yeah,
you know, like like if my son comes down it
says the WiFi is not working in his room and
he can't play his video game, it's like, I'll get up,
like where's my WiFi? You know, I get I get
angry about dumb stuff like that, and it's like it
really doesn't matter. But a couple hundred years ago, you know, survival,
you might get angry about somebody, you know, taking your
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sword and you can't defend yourself for your family, like
like it was. It was pretty stark contrast back then.
And I think maybe anger back then was more justified, justified,
maybe maybe used better. Like now we get angry about
stupid things all the time that we shouldn't be angry about.
So maybe back then, hundreds of thousand years ago, they
didn't suppress anger so much because they had to deal
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with stuff life and death things every day.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So you know, think about what makes us angry, why
we get angry?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Is it worth it?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
There was a Winston church Hill quote where he says
a man is about as big as the things that
make him angry. So it's like, do we are we
reduced to getting angry about frivolous things? And like I said,
like initially, if you got angry the first time about that,
then I'd say, yeah, that's kind of frivolous. But it
went on for a long time and the guy didn't
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do what he's supposed to do. He was you know,
so I think that in that case, some kind of anger,
some kind of accountability, was justified.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
You know, I get angry at obviously I got to
get a hold on it. And that's driving. I just
I can't deal with with morons on the road, and
I know I got to get a handle on it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And some Brad's struggling with that right now. We're in
the middle of snowbird season. Oh yeah, and Brad's dealing
with a big time.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Well where I have to drive where we live.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You have to go eight miles either direction to get
anywhere else on a two lane road, and so there's
people going thirty nine miles an hour for eight miles
and there'll be there'll be ten cars piled up behind
them and they won't move, or they're on their phone
or they don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So yeah, I have a heart. It's driving, So I'm
getting a handle on that.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
But injustice for people that have been wrong, that's a
lot of where my anger I And I think my
sons had told me once, said Dad, you don't like
injustice too, And I said, no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I don't like when people are wrong.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
For reasons that are out of their control and somebody
takes advantage of them. That really makes me angry injustice.
I got a question. You know, David was told to
slay Goliath. Do we now would.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We pray for Goliath and hopefully get him saved? Mean?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Or would we be that ballsy I mean when God
tells us to do something because not everything. I mean
you look through the Old Testament, they could they kicked
ass and took names, and God's God said do this
or this is going to happen, you know. And I
think a lot of my fear of the heavenly Father
was because of that, that wrath.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And then you know, I saw the wrath at home.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
With my earthly father and it was like I couldn't
get a good handle on who my heavenly Father was
about you know, the love until just a few years ago.
But when you're told by God to do something and
it's like out of the norm, do we do it?
I mean the anger of all that that injustice, what
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Glad was doing, and David took him out.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Would we as Christians? Are we to the point where
we just, oh, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Know, I'll pray for you, or I'll pray for that
situation instead of doing something about it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
But that's where a lot of mine.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I think even David answers it in one of the psalms,
and I don't remember which one it is. But there's
a time place for everything, you know, there's a time
for this was the birds. I mean, I think that's
the case, right, There's a time to be angry. I
mean Jesus got angry when he flipped a bunch of
tables over in the temple. I mean, he displayed that
emotion to us very clearly. And I remember having a
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woman that was Catholic one time. Tell me, that's the
only time in the Bible Jesus sinned.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
He sinned in his anger. That's what That's what she
was saying, is she said that he sinned in there's
too many.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Scriptures that say he was without spot right. Well, I'm
just not that. That's what she told me, which was interesting.
That might have been the closest he came to sinning.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Maybe maybe you know, okay, but how could he flip
the tables and be that angry without sinning? I think
it's he was defending the holy place. He was defending
God's house. So sometimes that's what that looks like. But
he didn't have any guile in him. He wasn't there
was no ego involved. It was he saw that people
were taking advantage of those who were coming to worship
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the Lord, and I think that's justifiable.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
But but he was doing it for God's will, his will.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right, So so I think that's the question is when
does when does anger become sinful?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Okay, but let's look at it. Did he do it violently?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Was he saying whipping people with the with the whip
and turning over table?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So so, what's what's your trigger point for anger? Brad?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, like like like it is driving. It's it's
just like on a daily basis, Although I have I
do feel like I've mellowed a lot the past year
or two, Like There's some days where I just don't care.
But there's some days if I'm in a hurry and
I'm like, why is this person going three miles below
the speed limit?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Is that because you guys are getting closer in age
to the people you're mad at?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Nice?
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't think I'll ever drive that
slough to be honest with you, all right, right, I
really don't.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Trey has no issue with it. Hey, I'm sorry, he's coming.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah. I As I'm looking through how I handle anger,
I'm like, kind of like you, I got to be
really pushed a lot before I really lash out and
lose my temper or whatever. And then most of the
time when I do, I regret it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
What's the scripture being angry and not How do you
be angry and not sin?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I don't think I sinned when I told that gentleman
how I felt about him.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I don't think it was a sin. No, I don't.
I was just super correct about how My question is is,
how do you I mean yesterday on?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Do you Okay, let's let's go through some scripture. Be angry,
do not sin, Do not let the sun go down
on your anger? Do you go to bit angry. Ever, yes,
often I have not so much time I have when
you wake up the next morning, When you wake up
the next morning, I have to win, you know. And
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he's made that comment about arguments with his wife and things.
You know, I got to give up my right to
be right, which is so big when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Ever, since you said that, I used that in myself
a lot, like I do give that Like I'm like,
you know, what, do I really need this win? Because
it's a win I need like and then.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Right, because are you defending your pride? Is it your
ego that you're defending something? I mean, a lot of
times we get angry, it is.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, and a lot of times yeah exactly. When a
lot of times we get angry, it's we need to
do a gut check on why we're getting angry.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Truthfully, since Brad said that, and I'm not saying I'm
like better than anybody else, And I guess I do
sometimes hold one of the things and stay angry, you know,
And I probably have it in there, and maybe it's
a defense mechanism that I just compartmentalize it down to
where it's like, hey, it's not worth my time, right,
But I really try not to, like go to bed angry,
wake up angry a lot of times. Usually the person
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that if I'm angry with and that's happening is my wife,
Like she's the only one that I actually care enough about,
if that makes sense. Not many people in my life
I care enough about to where I'm like, hey, I'm
gonna let you affect my sleep or affect the way
I wake up in the morning. And but she usually
wakes up angry and then I just get to start
off at where she left off. What usually more fear.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I think on what about James's quote, We know, you know,
everybody should be quick to listen, you know, slow to speak,
and anger, But then after he puts a caveat at
the back back into that because human anger does not
produce the righteousness that God desires. Can you walk into
anger and walk in righteousness at the same time. And
we're walking in righteousness because of the blood of Christ
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and our belief in it.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But at the same.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Time, michaelis every time, usually Jeremy, but.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Mine always it's more that was old school, yeah, old school, right.
That was a ring like one of the little the
rotary phone remember we had.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
One of my kis, Michael's got a rotary attachment on
his phone's actually literally by.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
The way, have you seen them? Try the video of
the kids like and they're like, we don't know what
to do with this.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, I've seen that. It's funny. I love it. So.
So you're asking if we can.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
If we if we're walking out anger, how can we
walk out righteousness if we're letting the anger affect us?
How can how can people see the righteousness?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, you know, like going back to what Michael said,
if you're angry about people being what was he injustices? Injustice?
I think I think that there's a righteous indignation. I
think that's a righteous anger. Yeah, injustice.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And Donna say, is that all the time?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
That you know? I I it rubs me wrong if
something's not fair to somebody, exactly right, that's what you're
saying too. So and you know Donnah, she'll get she
gets very upset if something she feels like someone is
done wrong and it's not fair, it's not justified.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I can see that, sure, Well, don't we see in
the Old Testament? But before Christ, obviously there's wrath of
God and they talk about the anger of God. Right,
And I mean God got angry because and but the
reasons he got angry, right, I think the important thing
that take from the stories, right, it's like, hey, like
these people were Sodom and Gomora. I bet he wasn't happier. Yeah,
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he wiped out a whole city screame Noah. I mean
I talk about how much it took the piss God off,
the flood the whole earth.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I mean it's like, hey, guys, you're doing a lot
of bad stuff to get me to this point.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And they were warned for one hundred some years. I mean,
and they still did it. Oh man, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I mean that's that's kind of I mean, God displays anger.
It's an emotion that's in us, and we're breath in
his image.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
So I think when we dwell on our anger and
anger takes control of us that emotion, I think we
are so jaded or it's like we're on mute. We
can't hear the Holy Spirit during those times. And I
know that for a fact that's true with me that
when I am consumed by anger, I don't hear the
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still small voice that that says, you know, do this
do that think about this situation.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I'm you're consumed by it.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Well, maybe that's your clue in that your anger is
not justified by God's glorious staff.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It ain't come from God whereas you know.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, because because don't we focus on ourselves a lot
when they're angry.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
This just made me mad. This was inconvenience to me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And it seems like some people that are angry a lot,
it's always about them, Like it's always something that was
done to them or something they didn't like. And so yeah,
jar me like, like what you said, it's it's probably
a good indication that you're not angry about the right thing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm gonna do better driving, guys. We'll see. I'm making
that promise.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Let me ask you, guys this, what do you do
when somebody's angry at you? Flip the script?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Uh? Great question.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
If it's a person of consequence in my life, like
a loved one, I'm usually crushed. Uh. If Donna's mad
at me and I look down deep, I'm going, oh,
it makes it makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Or if someone misunderstands me, and that's just my codependency way,
I like everybody to like like Trey.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
You know, ideally we're supposed to humble ourselves and go
to that person and try to try to make amends
whatever it is. I guess it depends if maybe if
they're angry at you for no reason.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
That you having a problem with your brother or your
brother having a problem with you, that we need to
go to them.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
The latter, So I mean neither way I would. I
would probably go to them if the brother's wrong to you.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
If the brother's wrong to you, or you go to
him and try to settle it.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
If it's frivolous, if it's something frivolous that they're offended
by about me, they're angry at me for something frivolous
that's not justified.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm not going to go out of my way to
to try to put out every little fire, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I do?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But okay, And I'm going to share this and I'm
okay with it. But I have two siblings that hate
my guts, and I don't know why am I supposed to.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Go to them because I've I've tried to reach out
my brother and I tried to.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Actually visit them on the golf coast. So I don't
know what what do I do in that situation?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Do I do?
Speaker 5 (25:55):
I continue to keep reaching out even though I don't
know what I did.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
They're obviously angry at you about something or.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I don't know the scripture answer, but I mean my
answer is, hey, I've reached out several times. Right, if
you don't want anything to do with it, I'm not.
I mean, I'm here for you. Just I'm leaving that
message that the door's open when you're ready.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
But yeah, there's only so much you can do. And
then you pray for them, but I do pray for them.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You've you've reached out multiple times, maybe once every couple
of years. You say, oh, I don't.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I haven't reached out since my dad's since we closed
my dad's estate. And that's that. That whole thing was
what I think caused a lot of it. But it's
it's anger, not on my part. I mean, it's you
can you can see it on their face. How twenty sixteen,
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but up until that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Point it was years.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Because it's been nine years since you've talked to them. Yes,
it might be worth a voicemail, but.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Something happened recently where I was not allowed to go
to my niece's graduation party in Bradenton because of her.
So my nephew call it said, hey, uncle, Mike, don't
don't come.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Wow. So that's just been a couple of years. Well
there's there's something there man.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
So and I don't mean to get off on me,
but I just wanted to share that because I'm sure
there's other people that are dealing with that.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, especially if it's a family situation that breaks your heart.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Do you you know, scripturally do I leave the altar
and go make amends?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Is that? Is that what? You're not leaving the altar,
you're taking it with you. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
No, but I think the scripture says leave, leave your
leave the altar, and go make amends before you come
back to the altar, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So I don't know, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So what that scripture says, be angry, but send not.
I mean it's saying like it's saying be angry. It's
not just saying if you get angry, no, if it happens,
it's actually telling you to be angry.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So I think we have to look at what what
we're supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Angry about I think, I think, I think you're right.
A lot of times, anger and worry and things I'll
kind of merge together a lot of times in our
life lives. You know, we're worried about an outcome when
it starts falling off the wheels, the anger grows in
us A lot of times. It's a reflection of us,
you know, looking deeper inside. But anger is an emotion
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that God gave us for some reason. Well, he has
it right, and that's where I just that's where I
go back to righteous anger.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He you know, he gives it to us.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And if through that anger like your kids is a
prime example. You know, you know your kids watch every
move you make, right, every move, tense situation at the
ball field or a disagreement with someone, some anger gets up.
How do you shine Jesus through that where your kids see, hey,
(28:45):
my dad handled that in a great way.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Well, and how do you handle it when you don't?
And when you don't, what do you do about it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, guys, that was bad form on my part. I
let I let I let this emotion overcome me. This
emotion isn't who I am.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I am in.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Christ, Jesus, Jesus Jesus had anger and displayed it, and
that led me to say some things that came out
of my mouth and public that weren't the right thing
to say.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You know, however, you have that conversation with your kids.
But that's what I noticed about people, That is how
they handle difficult situations in life. And if the anger
is welling up inside of us, someone's watching us to say, wow, man,
how you handled that was admirable. Man, that was a
(29:33):
tough one for you. I could you were acting out
a character from what I normally see from you, you know.
So we walked that line of I'm going to show
Jesus through the anger. I'm going to show Jesus through
the sadness, the disappointments, the It's easier to show Jesus
when things are going amazingly in their life, right, But
those moments where it's suffering or anger or sorrow, that's
(29:56):
when that's when people notice.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Jesus worked you.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
And I look at snapshots of my life. If I
take snapshots of my life in that period during the
Little League thing and all that, the boys competitive and
the stuff that would come out of my mouth and
the way I acted was like they're gonna get people.
I could go back in that snapshot and re enter
(30:21):
that situation and say, hey, yeah, I'm I'm a christ follower,
I'm a believe and they'd.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Be like, oh shit, you're what.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Yeah, they'd be like, Michael Thomas is a what No,
I don't think so how could he be exactly? So
that's that's what I think grieves the Father is we
are representatives of Christ and I think our action is
what and anger happens to be the worst and people
see it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's visual.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But you know what, I think your story and I
think this is where you have to like forgive yourself
a bit on these things. Is like, you know, and
I can tell my story too, right, We both all
of us have a story. But those same people they
saw you today and if they're listening to the podcast,
they're hearing Michael Thomas, this guy that was so over
the top and he's doing all this stuff Christian podcast
(31:10):
they run into today and all of a sudden they're like,
well that's what I'm saying, right, It's like, well what
changed in Michael?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Like why is he this different guy? You remember Tim
blumshrom his funeral?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yes, all of his surfer buddies there under that pavilion
were like, he designed that logo on your shirt?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
What happened to him? Remember that? Yeah? That's cool. Yeah,
it's good testimony. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I was thinking if if as Christians our baseline, we
know that that we all of a sudden and following
short of the glory of God, we've been forgiven, Like
we have this undeserved grace that God's given us. So
hopefully that helps us not be become angry as easily
as the world. I mean, we should look different than
the world. And I don't know how people that don't
know the Lord, how did they suppress their anger? Or
(31:58):
how do they anger? How did they how are they
angry without sinning? I don't know if they are, you
know what I mean. It's like I don't know if
I've seen a whole lot of people do the right
thing in their anger without I mean, without knowing the Lord.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I just I feel like as Christians we should have
I don't know if an advantage is.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
The right way to say it.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Well, I think if we if we put the filter
all the way back to what we're about. Yeah, God
put all his wrath on his own son, and if
we think of it that way, it kind of makes
us feel on the inside like God put his wrath
on Jesus, right, I mean, why am I showing this
(32:39):
wrath when that rat's been taken care of already.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know, we.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Should have a baseline of peace because of that, because
we know eternally we're going to spend you know, eternity
in heaven with him. We're forgiven right, so that should
give us an extra level of peace that keeps us
from getting angry as easily.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But there it has for me. That's what impact has done.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
You know, the isolation, you know all that that led
up to me coming to that breakfast, and it's I
think knowing who you are in Christ gives you that piece,
gives you that different level of I can withstand the
arrows now where before I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I didn't know who I was.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
There's a guy in my life that's it's super important
to me, and he's angry. I mean he's like he
holds on this anger and it's deep in there. He's
got a very successful career. I mean, he's got everything
there except for maybe one or two things that he
wants right, and he says to me all the time
because I just don't know how you do it, Like
I just don't know how, And he wants to believe.
(33:41):
He just hasn't accepted, I think is what it really
comes down to, because he's not where he wants to
be in his life from a certain perspective. You know,
it's just sad to watch that this this grown man
that's you know, has the whole world in front of him,
I mean, has everything you would.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Want from an earthly perspective.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It's just so angry inside that he has no joy,
no peace, no comfort, and it's sad. And I'm just like, man,
if you would just let go and just like give
up and let God, is that right? I was like,
your life would just be so much better because even
if you don't get it, then you'll know what the
answer is.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
By the way, isn't that what we do? Though?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
We ste on things and we still on the problem,
instead of focusing on the Lord and saying God can
take care of this. You know, he's above it all.
But instead we focus on whatever that thing is and
we ste on it. We turn it over in our
minds and we think about I can't believe I did this,
or I can't believe this happened to me, or this
person said that we dwell on it, and it just
takes us down.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You know, you know, you know what brings me down
is if I'm having a conflict, I'll actually stare in
the mirror and rehearse what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Whoa.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
And then after the conflict, if I didn't say the
right thing, I'll think of I should have said this,
and I'll play it out. I'll talk to myself and
play it out again. I mean, how crazy is that?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's so funny, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I know my wife she has to think about how
she's gonna argue with me ahead of times because she
has like a rolodex of shit that like comes out.
And I'm just liners, where did that come from? I'm
just like, that was twelve years ago. I remember what
I said twelve years ago.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I know it's about winning winning the argument right. The
worst thing I can say, and I do.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Say it, is you got your win ash Oh not good,
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You got your wine. You're right, and you know what,
You're right.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
It's now went from a thirty second argument to thirty
days yeah, instant, like we're going to fight for the
next month.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Is it worth it? It's never worth it?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
But sometimes am I just after I sit there and
listen to whatever I'm getting all that for, and usually
I deserve it, and I'm just like, all right, you
got your win, Like I'm done, Like I don't want
to talk about anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'm done.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
You're right, like you got your win. Like but I
say win, I don't say right. I'm like, you got
your win those like you need to win today, you
got it?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Like it doesn't really go I wonder what our four
wives would do if they sit around this boy and
and head.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I like to hear it.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I don't like to hear it. I really would if
they just listened to the podcast. They yeah, you start
with that. Man, here's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
As men, and our pride and the walls we put
up and the invincibility we try to show, sometimes anger
does take over. I love this conversation. If you're struggling
with something, if you're angry about something, you want to
deal with it, or you want to get some help,
just have a set of ears. Just shoot us A
note on the Brotherhood support page off of our website,
Impactmanistries dot Org.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I would love to have that conversation.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
We had a couple of great conversations pop up last
week with men from different parts of the country that
reach out.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
To us, and I feel a momentum going.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
It's like, man, I just need somebody to talk to
and I can't do it locally because.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Of X Y or Z.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
So I would love for you to check out the
Brotherhood support page.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Also, if you go to the website, you will see.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
On the front May thirty first, we are eleven weeks
away from Matthew West going to join us for the
Grace Experience.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
At the King Center.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
If you're in the military, we're going to be having
Impact Warriors initiative being communicated and are tie in with
the a Vet Project, a couple of incredible people that
help veterans get their benefits. And I've asked him to
maybe join us next Friday, UH for our next podcast.
Garren is amazing soldier, warrior and patriot and he's a
(37:17):
man of God and I love chatting with him, and UH,
he's gonna come on and join us with their UH
with their project and what they do and also Amigos
and Christo we're gonna be making some announcements in the
first of April about our next mission trip, going to
Wars Mexico, so we'll all those things are on the website.
You can check out, click on get the information you
need and reach out to us. So, uh, don't let
(37:40):
the sun go down on my anger. That's Elton John,
but don't let the sun go down on me?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Right? Yep? Were you an Elton fan me?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
You weren't noe now dude back in late late seventies
early eighties, man, I was all about Van van Hale.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I didn't Yeah, I didn't need some piano dudeing.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
So we hope you joined us next week. We're inappropriate
jokes so you won't be there able to hear.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Where that said.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I'm trained, I'm Michael, I'm Brad, I'm Jeremy, and we're
not angry.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
We are just the you guys doing really good thing.
We're not cussing because we're mad. I cost a lot
this episode. What are you doing? Yeah, he got a
black arm, a couple of ships damns. All right, you
gotta go. How can I ask you three questions and
you give me quick answer
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