July 15, 2025 • 45 mins
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How do we handle the tragic death of a loved one? Should we be able to explain why tragic deaths occur? Trey gets real about the recent untimely death of his brother.
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How do we handle the tragic death of a loved one? Should we be able to explain why tragic deaths occur? Trey gets real about the recent untimely death of his brother.
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow #patrickbetdavid
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are gonna get real about men's issues, who Jesus
is and who we are as men in Christ. We're
gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
But so much when you go there, I mean, for me,
like I lived in Richmond for almost two years and
like a new Richmond was where you know, the South
was headquartered. Right, But then when you're standing there and
they're telling you the history, and you're standing in the
White House and they've most of the White House actually
was stolen after the war, so a lot of the
artifacts aren't the original artifacts. They've recovered some but not all.
(00:43):
But you're standing there and they're telling you, hey, this
is ninety miles from the White House, and like you're
standing in the room where these guys were and they're
talking about the Hills. And then you go to the
foundry and they're like, hey, you know, if the South
had had more foundriies, they could have possibly won the war.
But you know, once the North took over meant it
was over because they didn't have weapons, and it just
it starts for everything in the perspective. But it's such
(01:05):
a culture. It's not about for me, it's about the
history of our country. It's not about you know, black, white,
North South. It's just history.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
You know, it's history. It happened it.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
You know, it wasn't great, but there were there were
people on both sides that I have ancestors traced back
to both sides.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
So you know, go figure.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
But yeah, that that that broke my heart when all
that went down, because I thought I thought it was
such a cool town.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I thought it was such a cool town.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
But then there's New York.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You just got back.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I think Satan. I think Satan has a house there.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I think your spirit hurt there did.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Oh my gosh, dude. It takes heavy when you're there,
right it is. And you know, I was telling these
guys earlier. When you hear them, like if you watch
a show and you hear all thee's, that's the way
it is. All that people do. You turns in front
of you.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
It looked good. It's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
And then we got to we went to the Mets
game first on Thursday. Great experience. Mets crowds were great.
That was the last stadium. I think I showed you
the picture of USAY Station, and then we went to
the Yankees game on Sunday. We went up to UH
(02:19):
Cooperstown on Saturday. What a great experience. But anyway, we're
at the Yankees game. We're there about an hour early.
We're in our seats and I'm sitting there and this guy.
I knew he's a guy because he had a five
you know, five o'clock shadow, but his shorts were so
fricking tight. Dude, I could see his boys up front.
And he turns around and there stearing me, and I
mean they were I could see his little cheeks of
(02:40):
his Anyway, I'm like, and he sits down in front
and the Michael Jackson song Gonna Get Something Started was
playing on the jumbo trim and he's just he's just,
oh my god, he's got this. He picks up his
phone and he's got I guess his lover or whatever
on the on the phone and he's face timing and
(03:00):
he's just he's dancing.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
I gotta get something started.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
And he stands up and he turns around to the
crowd and I'm like, I got his junk in my face,
and I was like, I put my head down and went, Lord.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Please, please, dear God, not nine innings of this crap.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
I can't do it. I can't do it. I've had enough.
I just can't do it. And I raised my head
up and he's just he's Oh, my gosh, and this
big burly dude and the Yankees Jersey comes walking down
with his two kids.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
He goes, dude, you're in my seat.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
To him, thank God, and he gets it. Oh, I'm
so and goes down about fifteen rows and sits down.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I said, Lord, he's just.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And God came through.
Speaker 8 (03:48):
Because I can't imagine him standing up every time the Yankees,
you know, scored or something and turn around and.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Were you guys in the city at all? Did you
get the kid down?
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Didn't?
Speaker 8 (03:59):
We didn't go there, But what a couple of museums.
There was a Japanese museum. My son did a great
job being the concious because we went to the Motion Museum.
They had a display of the Muppets, and they had
a display of the all of the movies of Tom
Cruise's Mission Impossible movies that was amazing. All the makeup
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gear and all the stuff that he wore. Went to
Delmonico's for a steak.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Ok.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Dude, that was like bud, Yeah, it was. It was amazing.
I've never had a stick that good in my life.
Speaker 9 (04:31):
I'm surprised how many people have dogs there, and they
live in these tiny apartments and so you know, the
dog spends ninety percent of their day inside in that
tiny apartment.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And then you know, apart from Central.
Speaker 9 (04:42):
Park, there's just little patches of grass where they'll pee
on the sidewalk or whatever. And there was one morning
I was I was walking to get some bagels, and
there was a lady had her little.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Dog on a leash. She was talking on.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
Her cell phone and she didn't realize it, but in
the same hand that she was talking on her phone,
she had a clear plastic bag of poop hanging front.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
It was just dangling like right next to our face.
She was so busy talking on the phone and walking
her dog.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
She did know.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I wish I would have gotten a picture of it
because it was.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
There. You go, it was a great trip, dude, it
really was.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I'm glad that you got to do that. Man. You know,
you had your travels. I had mine It's been a
tough month. We have had a lot of crazy. I
think we're under attack the whole the whole world of
the floods in Texas, the Middle East. We have some
heartaches personally. I lost my brother this last week. I
(05:33):
know you've got issues going on with your family. Just
feels like a tax or are just happening left and right.
I feel worn out. You'll ever feel that way where
you're just like I'm tired.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, It's funny. I wake up in the morning some
days and I just lay in bed for an hour. Yeah,
that's just not me. Like typically, I'm like, you get
up and get going, and like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It feels like last couple at least last couple of months.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's just like I just trying to get the motivation
to get out of bed some days.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
You know.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
He and I didn't get any sleep last night. Yeah,
last I had so much trouble with my seatpap last night.
I don't know what was going on really, if Michelle
was putting the thumb over the air hole or you know,
trying to knock me out, But it was miserable, and
I told him, I said, I spiritually the last week
and a half to two weeks. I just it's been
a non stop barrage of garbage.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
My life this is a small example of how my
life's been going the last six months.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's just at this point, I just laughed. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So we've my kids and I we've spent a lot
of time together lately, and they're really getting into fishing
and they want to fish in the backyard. Well, we
go to Walmart to buy worms. The worms aren't in
a section where the worms normally are, so we assume
they stopped selling.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Worms at Walmart.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So it's live bait.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Live bait, because I just wanted to catch fish, right,
They've been you know, bread works okay for bluegills. But
we went to get some worms. So I can't find
the worms. So now I'm like, shit, Now I gotta
go all the way down to Melbourne, like somewhere to like,
you know, twenty minute, five thirty minutes away to buy worms.
So I don't do it. We go out to my
neighbors got worms. I'm like, where'd you get your worms at?
He goes Walmall Mark. I said, well, where in a
(07:06):
wal Mart? They've had him in the same spot for
ten years and they didn't have him there. Now he goes, oh,
it's over by the tire section, says okay.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Course the next day I go out buy worms, second
fish of the day, go to unhook at talapia. It
fish jerks down, the rod, hook comes out, goes right
through my thumb. Oh, the hook's not big enough for
me to push the barb out because it's a small
bluegill hook, so I have to rip this hook out
my thumb. So I'm like, all right, the worst is over.
(07:35):
Then you get a call from my brother for my
My wife calls my father in law and tells him
what happened, and he's like, yeah, he needs to go
get a tennis shot and antibiotics. And of course, my
best friend a year ago almost like lost his hand
due to a staff an infection that he didn't take
care of. So I'm like, gos, shit, all right, I
gotta go do that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Buy your scar healed. Yeah, his scars were three dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Worms cost me three hundred dollars in a night at
the urgent care. And I'm like and I'm just laughing
about it. And then the kids like, hey, can we
go catfish and I I'm like, guys, I think I'm
a little burned out, Like I'm done with that today,
you know. But it's just that's just kind of where
my world. It seems like everything's like that, you know
what I mean, And I don't know what's going on.
But you know, at this point, I'm just like I
was praying the other day and I was like, God,
(08:19):
you know, I appreciate you. I thank you for everything
that's going on, all the things you've given me, the opportunities.
I was like, but I just don't know what the
hell your plan is. Yeah, it's like, I know, I'm
supposed to trust it. Paul tells me that very clearly. Yeah, yeah,
I do, But I don't like where you're at right now.
You know, it's just a weird you know.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
What I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I've been thinking about that a lot, because it's you know,
the past month. Of course, my brother went to the
hospital five weeks ago, and I've been thinking about that,
what that exact thing you're saying a lot, because it's
okay for you, for any of us at this table
(08:57):
to say I don't get it, I don't like it.
It sucks. I don't understand what the plan is. I
have faith you're going to pull it out and pull
it through, but you know what, I don't like it.
And I'm with you this morning. I don't want to
get out of bed, and I'm still going through the grievy.
I'm getting better every day, and I look back to
(09:21):
my brother and you know, I spoke on it yesterday.
We put out a devotional this morning on my brother
in his situation, and he spent the last ten years
not feeling comfortable sharing that weakness inside of him and
to the world was everything's great and he wasn't. And
(09:46):
we founded a ministry to try to help men get
through that. And I took it personally that my brother
died because we set a ministry up to help with
that and I couldn't reach it. Others did and it
has a silver lining at the end. But watching and
(10:09):
talking to all of his lifelong friends having no clue
the pain, the struggle and everything he was going through
really made me frustrated and how we as men can
cope with that Where you can just say, man, I'm
gonna love you more if you share your weaknesses and
(10:29):
your fears and your life sucks today stuff, than if
you show me the facade you're putting on, does that
make sense?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
You know?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
And I've been brewing on this for two weeks because
we haven't we missed last week was of July fourth.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I just need to talk about it. I just need
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
He had talked and I know you hear from the
Holy Spirit, and you know, Garrett did.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
And I just commend you for you know.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Getting on a plan going there and basically asking him.
You know, I you know how I am, and I
think I shared this with you. When I was in
New York, I didn't feel any leading of the Holy
Spirit to talk to anybody.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
He was protecting you, That's what who was telling us that, Yeah,
I don't know, Yes, you're right.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Someone we were with was saying that. But he was
protecting you.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
And so you know, the waiters that we had and
things like that. You know, I think the one dude
that bought every rainbow patch that's on the market, and so,
but there was no leading whatsoever. And we had talked
about that. And my point about that is is you
listened to the Holy Spirit. Garrett listened to the Holy Spirit.
(11:43):
You know, when you look in the Old Testament. You're
pretty good with the Old Testament. God talked to them
explicitly about everything, the arc, how long, how wide, what
kind of pitch, you know, everything, the size, what rooms?
David when he was going in to fight the battles.
You need to go south, you need to go up this,
(12:04):
you need to do all this. You know, where is
your armies?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Here?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Raise your arm So God was speaking to.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Them like you and I talk on a regular basis. Well,
now we have the Holy Spirit, the same spirit to
raise Christ from the dead. Is the same spirit that
lives in us. And do we God doesn't stop talking.
The Holy Spirit's in us, But do we listen? You went,
Garrett went, and you guys confirmed with your brother that
(12:33):
even though when we were on that beach, and.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
He said that was two years ago exactly.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I don't want nothing to do with this.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I'm not on the same page as you guys.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
You know too to where you guys are at.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
You guys listen to the Holy Spirit, and you listen
to the Holy Spirit when we talked. And I just
want to commend you, Tray for for doing that, to
listening to the Holy Spirit. You know, you got to
buy a ticket, had to leave Bravard, you had to
go to you know, I know it's your brother, but do.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
People do that?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I mean I had to know and you had to know,
you know, tell him about the confirmation. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
It was crazy because you know, he he was in
so much pain and so much agony for so many years.
Dying a death of alcohol is brutal. It is it
is is so horrible and I can't give you the
whole backstory, but the past. You know, he confessed to
me his alcoholism nine years ago. It was the same
year my mom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and I think
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that's was a trigger for him when he when he
note when my mom and dad moved here, and you know,
from that point forward, I said, man, we got a
group of guys blah blah blah. Started with these four
guys in the living room, and he kind of looked
from a distance, right. And as the years progressed, he
got more and more belligerent, more and more frustrated, more
(13:52):
and more cynical of God. One of his one of
his fam his famous quotes to me was I don't
know about that pray and stuff. God knows everything anyway,
He's all sovereign, he knows what I need, and why
why should I even pray?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
He goes.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I prayed and prayed. I gave money to the church
to restrop the parking lot. I didn't get Jack out
of that. And you know, I think I've told that
story before, and you know, he really went to prayers
A lot like prayers.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Man, I just I don't get it. They don't work.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
You know, over and over they do a Yankee Stadium,
they did a Yankee State. Well, I flew out there
and I was hesitant. You know, when I got there,
he'd been in the hospital two weeks. He's gurgling when
he breathes, he's semi alert, and I just had the
moment where I said, brother, I'm not sure how you
(14:44):
feel about this, but I sent out prayer request about
two days ago to legions of people, I would imagine thousands,
tens of thousands, and I said, they're praying for your
they're praying for your peace. And you know what his
words than we were someone that was doubting prayer for
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all those years. His words to me were, you know,
I know you did. I said you did, and he
said the past two nights I have awakened in the
middle of the night and by people's voices praying for me.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
And then he said this, I have even heard voices
in other languages and I understand them. He went from
prayers being skeptical to hearing prayers. And we had our
friends at Amigos and Cristo and Warrez they're praying for him.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
They ain't praying for him in English.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
And it all just kind of came together and I started,
I started weeping in front of him, and he said,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I get it now. I get what you guys do.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And then I just said, you know, Paul says, confess
with your mouth that Jesus Lord, and believe in your
heart that he rose from the dead and you too
will be saved.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Do you believe this?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Hayden and his words where I have never been more certain.
But we went through ten years of not feeling comfortable
coming out and feeling a freedom to share my weaknesses.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
He just held everything to his chest.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The cards were like right here, and man, I just
feel like.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Wow, I couldn't reach him. Garrett reached him bigger than
anyone else.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I just just a message for the men out there
is come on, guys.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Gon't wait till the life.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I don't care if you're an alcoholic, I don't care
if you struggle.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't care if you're in the porn every night,
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Just come yeah, And that message in our ministry is
what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You don't have to put on a facade.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
You don't have to be a man that goes breaking
through walls and being tough. But man, what I wouldn't
give from my brother to be right here telling his
stupid ass jokes one more time because he feelt comfortable
enough just to say life sucks. I don't get it.
Prayer it don't work, I don't you know. Whatever it is,
(17:27):
say it, and let's find a way to come together,
put our arms around each other, walk with the Holy Spirit,
and begin to heal a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
So you know, you started that's my monologue, But you
started out saying that. You know, you felt like you
failed because you have a whole men's ministry.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But it bothered me a little bit. But you didn't fail.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now, I mean you got at the very end of
the day, he's exactly where you were trying to get him.
To go anyway. Yeah, now he chose a very I
mean rough path. I mean, that's not a way I
want to go. Yeah, you know, but at the end
of the day, I mean, the ultimate goal is the forever, right,
it's not the for now. So at least you know,
and I mean, listen, you didn't tell the part about
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Garrett getting the chance of baptizing.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
It was two days after that, that three days before
he died. Garrett flew out there and Garrett knew about
my conversation with Hayden. And Garrett said, hey, uncle, Hayden,
I think we need to baptize you. And he goes,
let's get it done right there in the hospital room,
you know it, you know, and Hayden started softening up.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think it was a year ago when we had Tbou.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Here, remember, And he walked right into t Bou that
that in that back room, and this is just the
way he was. He walked right into him, stuck out
his hand, Hey I'm Hayden, what was your name again?
And we all just died laughing. You know, it's just
the way he was. But that night Tbo's message was
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one of his quotes, was it's not about what I've done,
what I do, what I've experienced. It's about what Jesus did.
And Hayden looked at me after quoted that, and he said,
I went to a church my whole life talking about Jesus,
and I left the church feeling like I needed to perform.
(19:10):
And that was a totally different message. And that's what
you guys talk about. And I said, you're welcome to
join anytime. He started coming to our Monday night virtual call,
and it was a brother from Chicago, Darien, that connected
with him on the prayer thing. And that was like
(19:31):
January before you know, this past January, so I and
you know, he sowed seeds into him. So I saw
Jesus working through other guys, and it took the load
off me, because you know the thing about bearing each
other's burdens, you don't want to bear their burdens and
it becomes a burden on you. And I let that
happen a lot. It's okay just to say I don't
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get it. It's okay to say life sucks. It's okay
to say I'm in recovery, you know, toy and Tolian
and he had close.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
His post recently about that guy that contacted him. That
was amazing.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Oh, that was amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And I heard him in a sermon one time saying
I've learned more about Jesus from a recovering addict than
I have a thousand sermons in seminary.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And I thought that was so profound.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
And I saw Jesus working in my brother the past
year more than any sermon I've ever listened to.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
How much better we get to know the Lord through
suffering than when everything's great. I mean, you're forced to
go deeper and you know, read more scripture, lean in
more in prayer when you're in suffering than when everything
is going great.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And a couple of weeks ago, I was.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Reading an Exodus, when you know, when God told Moses
to go to Pharaoh, tell him to let his people go.
That took about a year before Pharaoh actually let him go.
And it got worse before it got better. You know,
I can imagine the Israelites going, hey, man, Moses, you know,
God told Moses to go, tell Pharaoh to let it go. Man,
like we're out, we're done, We're out of here. But
it got worse, and I'm sure they were sitting there going, well,
(21:04):
I didn't work. That sucks, Like what's God doing? And
then you know, before when Faya were finally let him go,
God said, you know, basically they plundered the Egyptians, like
they took all this gold and everything from them, so
they left, you know, they went from being slaves to
being wealthy and free and leaving. And then you know,
a couple months later, they were building the Tabernacle and
(21:27):
they were asking for people to bring gold and all
this kind of stuff to make it, and they had
to tell them to stop. They're like, we got more
than we need, Like like stop bringing stop bringing gold
and jewels, because we have more than we need.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Right when has that ever happened?
Speaker 9 (21:38):
But you you know, you go back just a few
months earlier, they are still slaves and they were still
going this sucks.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Nothing's working.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
So sometimes I like I was drawing encouragement from that
because I know we're all in different places of suffering
and wondering are these prayers doing anything?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Is anything happening?
Speaker 9 (21:55):
And so it's like, at what point, you know, or
are we gonna Is that gonna turn for our good?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
At some point? I believe it will, and.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
I think we'll all have testimonies of that, but right
now we're still in the kind of in that down,
that down area that's tough to be in.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Yeah, you know, think about the whole thing with a
pharaoh though, was it was prior to you know, I'm
the man and you ain't gonna tell me, and he's
still after the last thing when he let him go,
then what does he do.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
He gets on his horses in their charts and he goes.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
To chase him.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
He's gonna go try and kill him anyway, And it's like, no,
I love the real issues send of modern day, Like
you had one of Adam and Eve.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
All the AI stuff that, yeah, where they're doing Selfiason
in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, hilarious.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Those those kind of give a flare that makes you think.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
For sure, what's funny about him is they just talking
like modern language and the item and Evel's great, especially
when the host goes, you know, I'm still kind of
pissed off of you.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
We're still paying the prize is Eve gives it to Adam.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
You know you were standing right there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You know, you know our friend John Lynch.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Who we we we dearly love, he's spoken for us
at a conference, and of course Tollyan did too, but uh.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And we had Stacy here on the podcast with us.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I mean, you know, but John's one of my favorite
My favorite quotes from the Cure is, you know, if
if I share my worst with you, will you love
me more?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Love me less?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And I just wish my brother would have shared his
worst more with more people, because people are coming out
of the woodwarre going.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I had no clue.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
We had our call Monday night, and and uh, one
of my brother's high school great friends played American Legion
ball together and he joined our call. He just showed
up and he goes, guys, I'm I'm I'm floored.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
If I wish I would have asked the right questions.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
I had no clue that he was dealing with this none,
and he started kind of doing the blame game on him.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
And we tried to redirect that, obviously, And.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Man, what I wouldn't give for one more time for
him just to look at me and say, like he
did nine years ago, I'm struggling with alcohol. I'd call
myself a functioning alcoholic, and I'm worried about me and
my family. And that was the only time he really
got real on me. And then after that he just
go I'm gonna going then I go to a meeting,
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but never and after his liver started failing, it was
I'm going to get treatment.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Never did it.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
He just put his head in the sand. And I'm like, oh,
so senseless.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
But it's important to people listening that we literally have
a guy that can help you. And I had a
guy reach out last week and you know, I connected
him with Trey and Trace connected them with another military
guy and.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That story is still to be unfolding.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But yeah, just because you reach out to one of
the four of us, and I just want to say it,
we'll will personally try to help you as much as
we can. But if we know a guy that's got
a better situation or a better likeness, We're going to
connect you with those guys and open up and tell
those guys your story. I guarantee their stories is just
the same as yours or worse, right, And that's part
of the ministry, right, So we want to connect guys
with guys that they can relate to.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Right now, this world life seems to suck a little bit,
and you know we're all experiencing it from jobs, job stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
To your job.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Stuff's going kind of crazy. My heart's broken about the
Central Texas.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Remember vividly to being down that river and how beautiful
and serena it was, right, I remember it growing up
in Texas. That was one of the most beautiful places
to go. And then to see that turn into a
ravaging death thing, it's hard to swallow and.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Trey, that's the nature of that area. Like New Mexico, Arizona,
the flash floods happened like that.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
You know, it's not like it's not happened before.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
And but it happened at like three o'clock in the morning, right,
So who are you notifying? I can't hear my phone
a three o'clock in the morning, now, you know, yeah,
I could sleep on a fire alarm. Now when I
sound like Darth Vader.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
I think they had been issuing flood warnings like throughout
the day before that. But you know, you know how
it is like with with hurricane warnings and stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
We're like, yeah, yeah, whatever, we just kind of put
it off.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
But I heard that the river rose like twenty something
twenty feet within less than an hour.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, it was like once a millennial type of thing.
It wasn't a nothing normal, you know.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And we you know, one of our partners of the
ministry that we help raise awareness for is they're called
Amigos and Cristo. They're in war Is, Mexico, which is
probably six to eight hour drive from that area of
the state of Texas. But the same type of storm
systems were kind of in that area as well, and
it flooded out.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
One of the children's centers.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
And so we're gonna have we're going in October and
we're going to have some work to do from and
you know what was crazy. Those people smiled the whole
time they were cleaning that stuff up. They were praising
God the whole time.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
You're happy.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
But we're going to be going in October.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
All the information just went out yesterday, October eleventh, and
we're gonna be doing some building projects. We're looking for
twenty men to go. And these people aren't they ain't screaming.
They like nothing in Christ and they're they're saying it
and this sucks and we're going to get through it.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
You know whatever.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Satan Brewings, man, it's like you know, I know it
can bring you down, but for the most part, you
can overcome anything with a relationship with Jesus Christ. I'm
not saying that you're not going to go through it.
We have all gone through it. We're still going through it.
But you can overcome and it happens, and we see
it on this side that God wins in every situation
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if you just put your trust in them. And I
hope somebody hearing this today or this week will realize
that I can't do it on my own and I've
got to reach out reach out to us. You've got
the the website.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Brotherhood support Page, Impact Ministries dot org.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
So I just encourage you to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You're just thinking, I'm just thinking, you know, just actually
was thinking about something a little bit look more lighthearted.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But it's the.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Twenty year anniversary of the Sugar Bowl, this Sugar Sugar Bowl,
and I was thinking about the flood. That's the only
Sugar Bowl ever played outside of New Orleans because Katrina
hit and sunk the.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
He went to San Antonio, didn't you know, Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He went to Atlanta and we played in the Heart
of the Bulldogs, who we played in the Georgia and
then we beat him. You know, we actually embarrassed him
in the first quarter put up twenty one and nothing,
and now they did slowly come back. It came down
to a faked punt to keep us from letting them
have the ball back, which allowed us to win the game.
But I was just talking to one of the guys, uh,
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Anthony Lewis. He's he actually has a podcast up there,
and I told him I give him a shout out
this week on ours because he let me shout ours
out on his. It's the you guys haven't watched a touchdown?
City dot com is the podcast he does. And you know,
it's just fun talking about the memories and stuff looking
back and you're talking about God's plan to sow many
things have happened between now and then. But when you
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look back a lot of times you forget about all
that little stuff, you know what I mean, not the
big stuff. You'll remember, hey, that was a tough year,
you know, or whatever. But it's just funny. And when
you start thinking about like just life and reverse and
you know.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Just I look at myself now and I've finally realized
that I'm I'm getting old, you know, and having to
go to doctors. You know, you look in the mirror
and they say the two times that you age are
like forty forty to forty four and you in your sixties.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
And I'm seeing it.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
I'm feeling, you know, I went to a doctor the
other day and you know, he said that stop eating
anything fatty. And I said, you mean like steak and
big and he said, you know, he said, stop eating fatty.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Don't bump.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
But you feel chef. You're not going through it yet,
but you feel like you're you're closer to the grave
than what you are at somebody your particular. You still
have that sense of invincibility, but things just don't happen
to you and make you get riled up as much.
(30:21):
I mean, I'm starting to lose a lot of things
that used to just It's like, this is life. Who cares,
Let's go on, let's move on. Lord, you're you're you're
leading away. I just don't. I don't get riled up
like I used to anymore. And I'm starting to realize
that I've gained patients.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
In certain situations.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Having peace definitely feels a lot better act being pissed
off all the time. I see people online that are
pissed off about everything. You can post the most lighthearted,
fun thing, somebody's going to get mad about it, and
I don't know. I feel like, you know, through the
past number of years of our difficulties and sufferings, it's
like my baseline for what I can tolerate.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Is has gone way up.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Like like you said, I don't get as pissed off
about things as easily as I used to. And when
I used to, it didn't feel good, like I get round,
Let me get mad and get the adrenaline. But afterwards,
I'm like, man, I lost control, Like that, that was bad,
But now it's it's better because I'm going through It's
like I'm being trained. It's like I'm going you know,
to the gym emotionally and spiritually every day because I'm
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having resistance and I'm having to push against it. But man,
having that peace in the long run feels a lot
better than just being mad.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
My brother.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Was in this roller coaster of anger so much so
that he did a couple of pretty unspeakable things a
couple of years ago, and but in that, you know,
as this past year progressed, I sensed that anger subside
every time I talked with him. After that t bow event,
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every time I talked with him. When I used to
talk to him, he'd start railing against God, Why is
he doing this? Me?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Why? Why is he allowing this?
Speaker 5 (32:02):
You probably have had similar conversations with your brother, right,
And that shifted to more He's still he was still raw,
but he wasn't cynical anymore in his questioning. It was
more of, Okay, I got to get to the bottom
of this. I need to understand. Trey, help help help
me understand. Garrett helped me understand. And then that last
(32:27):
five weeks in that hospital when he was gurgling when
he breathed because of all the fluid build up, because
his kidneys were you know, his liver was gone, his
kidneys were failing. Talking with him, he had this sense
of peace, the peace that I wouldn't have. And and
Garrett was with him when the doctor looked at him
and said, you understand, mister Etheridge, that this isn't going
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to end well and we need to start thinking about
hospice care because your liver is one hundred percent gone
and your kidneys are on the way. And Hayden's words
were I was afraid of that. It wasn't anger, it
was just and then that night Garrett baptized him. And
(33:12):
you know, this was a couple of days after I
chatted with him and us sharing these stories is the
most important thing ever, Because I am not.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
A deep theologian. I know, we hear about it every
single week. I hear it about it every week. So yeah,
all y'all just line up.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
But in Revelation twelve, when John is talking about how
the archangels defeated Satan and his minions, the words were
they conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and
the word of their testimony, for they love not their lives,
even unto death. That's all we got is the blood.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Of the Lamb and our story.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
That's all we got is the blood of the Lamb
and the story of my brother and our relationship. So
all we got is the story of the Lamb and
the blood of the Lamb, and the story of you
and Panera. The day that you found out you know
about the death is your mother is your mother? You know,
your mom and your dad dying so close together. That's
a that's a heap of worldly awfulness heaped on you
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at once. But when you tell that story someone, it
clicks with somebody. You know, how we joke about it,
but how you were scared of death to tell your
parents you got jen pregnant when you were in college
and you sent a letter to them because you didn't
have the guts to call someone relates to that.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, right, I realized you sent the letter to him. Yeah,
oh yeah, he was too chick in the it was.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It was funny because it was such an opposite thing.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Jennifer's mom called her and says, God told me you're pregnant,
like like she had this connection with God. And she
called Jennifer and says, God told me you're pregnant, aren't you?
And they're like, oh and me, I'm like, I can't
tell my parents.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I have to write a letter.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
I mean this is back in nineteen eighty nine, so
it's like I have to write a letter and I
have to send it in the mail, wait three days
for it to get there.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Not an email, No, not an email. It was it
was snail man.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Did it start with dear mom and dad, I have
something to share with you.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Ye, dear grandpa and grandpa.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh there you go. Yeah, that would have been good.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Do you have that letter somewhere?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
I mean, I would be surprised if my mom had
it somewhere, but maybe she does.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
That would be a trip to read. Now, that would
be a trip to read now, ask her.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But like that your story that happens to someone that's
a Christian every day?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
And man, how we can help each other through these things?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
You know, so and you get a run over on
your bike or you know those type of things. We
have these moments and you know mine was a suicidal
thoughts and experience and and then my brother complaining about prayer.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yet it was prayer's hear before he died.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And that's cool.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
It just God works, and it's it's not just some things.
He works for the greater good. It's everything. Even a
tragedy like that.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Well, that's where you go back to what we're talking
about earlier, Like sometimes you're right in the middle of it,
and I know you prayed over the last nine years. God,
why and the heck is Heyden not?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Just get it? Gosh? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Every day?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But his story might save two people today because they
hear this podcast, they hear that story, and then they
make the phone call that he wouldn't make you know.
It's that's why I laugh at some of the stuff
that's going on in my life right now. And I'm
definitely not happy about all of it, you know what
I mean. I'm sitting there going like, you know, I've
worked fifteen years to get this to this point, and
now it seems like everything I do is just a
(36:43):
slap in the face. But it's like, you know, but
I do know. I know what Paul says in Romans.
You know, everything he does is for good, and if
he's with you, he can't be nothing can be against
you together the Yeah, And I know that, and I
quote that to myself all the time because I just
need to remember it, especially when I'm sitting there the
fish hook in my hand and I can't get to
actually just push through the other side because it's too small,
(37:03):
and you know, and then I'm sitting in the yard
and I'm just like, oh, you know, here we are,
you know, right. But but it's just I think that's
the that's the faith part of it, right, Yes, that's
the that's the piece that when people say, you know,
what is faith, that's faith. It's just knowing it's gonna
work out somehow, not knowing how not necessarily liking how
not liking what we're going through at the moment. But
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the faith part is where you say, hey, I know
you got me still.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
Yeah, it's that piece that surpasses all understanding. When you
think about that scripture, the piece that surpasses all understanding.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
Yeah, I think it's interesting that even you know, the
super Christians, they do everything right, you're still going to
have those moments where you question where you know, because.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Like you said, because it's faith. It's not faith.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
If you have all the answers and you know everything
that's gonna happen, you know how it's gonna work out,
it's not faith. So we all come to those moments
where it's like I don't see out of this hole.
I don't see how I'm gonna get out, and I
understand it, but I just believe that God's gonna He's
gonna work it together. If you don't have that, then
what do you have? Like what does the world look to?
Speaker 8 (38:04):
I love the Kansas City chiefs Owner's daughter hunt it's
not her married name, her maid name something, but she
posted after because they had family that was in that
Christian camp, and she posted basically that She's still going.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
To serve the Lord. She still loves the Lord.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
I don't understand when these things happen. But God is
still on the throne, and yes, I'm still going to
serve him. It doesn't change. Yeah, you know why did
the flood wipe out a Christian camp?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Don't know?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Well, that's where the Old Testament comes into play too.
You look at the Book of Job and it reminds
us that, you know, Satan has to get permission to
do that, right, so therefore had to line up with
God's plan. Yeah, so something's going to come out.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Of it and we don't.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah, and it's insane as it seems something's coming out
of it.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
And that's hard for someone that isn't not of a faith.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
You can't someone that wants to be able to put
their finger on it, you can't do it, and you
can't do it.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
We had another something that happened a couple of weeks ago.
It was very tragic event with somebody that we all know.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yes, yeah, that was that was awful.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
Yeah, But I just remember thinking I had this thought
that like God wasn't defeated, like he didn't lose you know, Satan.
Satan didn't snatch this person out of his hand. You know, God,
God's like you said, He's still on the throne. He's
still winning. So I mean, we don't understand it, no,
and I can't reconcile it, like I've been trying to
figure it out in my head.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And just like man, I don't know, I don't know
what to say.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You don't, You don't know what to say.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
And in an instance like that where someone takes their life, boy,
that adds another layer to things and division and finger pointing,
and that that adds something totally sure, more deep and
what I would say, more sinister to stuff than Satan.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Satan goes. Oh, I can play with that in a
big way.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And and you know, we pray for the church and
and and the people involved there.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
As they're trying to heal from that.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
And how equipped is the church on mental mental illness
and things like that, because I got to tell you
when I was suicidal, I was in a different place.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
My mind was fried. I wasn't thinking logically about anything well.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
And it's tough and it's a tough thing for us
to get our hands around, especially in the church.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
And that could be a whole podcast and self mental
health in the church, because I personally feel like a
lot of times would you say, well.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Let's pray about it and it'll get better.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
Right, The stigma behind medicaid, you're taking medicaid? Yeah, I mean,
we got to pray that out of here. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I don't know how you know where I'm
at on that one. You know, I think you gotta.
God gave us science, So let's you know, yeah, I agree. Anyway,
that's that's another hour and that's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Anyway, takeaways from today. I appreciate y'all letting me just
vent a little bit, and my healing is getting better.
We're going to celebrate my brother's life here in a
couple of weeks back in the Dallas Fort Worth area,
and it's going to be a celebration and everyone, all
his boys, his wife, my family all know that alcohol,
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his problems did not define him, and Jesus did in
the end and did the past year. And it was
inspiring to hear him say those words a couple of
weeks ago, and so we're going to hold onto that
and ride that truth out out of here. So a
couple of announcements I mentioned it earlier, but the information
(41:30):
went out.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
You can check our social media or our website.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
We are going to be trying to take twenty men
on an impact mission trip this October October eleventh through
the eighteenth to Warrez, Mexico to help our friends at
Amigos and Crease Show.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
It's a children's.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Community center, fine arts center and those they feed one
hundred and ninety kids a day something like that. They've
had some destruction with the flooding and they just need
some work done on some housing.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
It is third world.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
It is rough, but is most It will probably be
the most rewarding week you've ever gone through. So we
would encourage you to check the check the website and
look at the two dates we're going to have informational
Zoom meetings. They're coming up in a couple of weeks
and we want to get you on board. October eleventh
through the eighteenth, So we have a men's breakfast. We're
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going to be over at the church at Vieira in
Brevard County, Florida on August of twenty third.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Our friend Ali far.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Haughtie is going to be coming back to talk to
Us'll vacant Bacon. I've got to tell the Bacon story.
He's got to tell the Bacon story. It has been
about three years since he's been here. But Ali born
in Tehran, Iran proud Muslim, saved by Christ when he
immigrated the United States.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
And his story, uh is so inspiring and he is so.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Knowledgeable about how we can evangelize to the Muslim community.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
So mark your calendar for that.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
And those are the things that are coming up in
the next couple of months, so stay tuned. Check the website,
check the social media, check YouTube, give us a like,
a share, a follow, and then if you want to
make it a little donation to help us with all
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to join us.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
I was just thinking, Muslims have iPhones and stuff like that. Right,
how do the women do the facial idea?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Probably don't, but don't bump. Probably know. It's a fair,
fair question and real quick.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Just another shout out to Anthony Lewis and the guys
a Touchdown City and Anthony. You can find those guys
on Apple and Spotify. So if you give us a like,
fall and share, check out them. You can hear the
story about the Sugar Bowl team and either have a
bunch of less guys on throughout the next couple weeks
before the season.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
So are they haven't Pat on there?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yep, Yeah, they'll, Well, they're trying. He's he probably will
do it.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
It's just getting him to do it, and then also
all of his contracts what he can and can't do
or makes sense. It's it's a little bit tougher when
you have one hundred million dollar Pat mccaffee mcafeefe.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
Love to have him on here.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I know he's hard to get I've tried to get
ahold of them. It's just he's he's just at a
different level. It's hard to get ahold of those there.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, yeah, would it be hard for him to get
a hold of you.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
No, you're not at a different level, not yet. I
like the different I don't have a publicist yet, but
one thing you do have is us.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I'm Trey, Michael Brad and I'm Jeremy We are the Yeah,
you're at a different level, bro, I'm very different level.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
They have to pull the the job down to and
that dude do it in public.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
When when we were in Jedo with Joseph and that
whole group.
Speaker 9 (44:44):
I saw a couple of ladies, you know, at a
restaurant and they all sear their eyes. Everything was covering them,
like how do they eat? And they would lift the
veil over their mouth and they would put one fork
full in, put it back down, I'll chew it up.
I'm like, nobody moves to that part of the world
and goes, I'm doing this.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I think you have to be
Speaker 5 (45:07):
H
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are gonna get real about men's issues, who Jesus
is and who we are as men in Christ. We're
gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
But so much when you go there, I mean, for me,
like I lived in Richmond for almost two years and
like a new Richmond was where you know, the South
was headquartered. Right, But then when you're standing there and
they're telling you the history, and you're standing in the
White House and they've most of the White House actually
was stolen after the war, so a lot of the
artifacts aren't the original artifacts. They've recovered some but not all.
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But you're standing there and they're telling you, hey, this
is ninety miles from the White House, and like you're
standing in the room where these guys were and they're
talking about the Hills. And then you go to the
foundry and they're like, hey, you know, if the South
had had more foundriies, they could have possibly won the war.
But you know, once the North took over meant it
was over because they didn't have weapons, and it just
it starts for everything in the perspective. But it's such
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a culture. It's not about for me, it's about the
history of our country. It's not about you know, black, white,
North South. It's just history.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
You know, it's history. It happened it.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
You know, it wasn't great, but there were there were
people on both sides that I have ancestors traced back
to both sides.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
So you know, go figure.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
But yeah, that that that broke my heart when all
that went down, because I thought I thought it was
such a cool town.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I thought it was such a cool town.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
But then there's New York.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You just got back.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I think Satan. I think Satan has a house there.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I think your spirit hurt there did.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Oh my gosh, dude. It takes heavy when you're there,
right it is. And you know, I was telling these
guys earlier. When you hear them, like if you watch
a show and you hear all thee's, that's the way
it is. All that people do. You turns in front
of you.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
It looked good. It's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
And then we got to we went to the Mets
game first on Thursday. Great experience. Mets crowds were great.
That was the last stadium. I think I showed you
the picture of USAY Station, and then we went to
the Yankees game on Sunday. We went up to UH
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Cooperstown on Saturday. What a great experience. But anyway, we're
at the Yankees game. We're there about an hour early.
We're in our seats and I'm sitting there and this guy.
I knew he's a guy because he had a five
you know, five o'clock shadow, but his shorts were so
fricking tight. Dude, I could see his boys up front.
And he turns around and there stearing me, and I
mean they were I could see his little cheeks of
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his Anyway, I'm like, and he sits down in front
and the Michael Jackson song Gonna Get Something Started was
playing on the jumbo trim and he's just he's just,
oh my god, he's got this. He picks up his
phone and he's got I guess his lover or whatever
on the on the phone and he's face timing and
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he's just he's dancing.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
I gotta get something started.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
And he stands up and he turns around to the
crowd and I'm like, I got his junk in my face,
and I was like, I put my head down and went, Lord.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Please, please, dear God, not nine innings of this crap.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
I can't do it. I can't do it. I've had enough.
I just can't do it. And I raised my head
up and he's just he's Oh, my gosh, and this
big burly dude and the Yankees Jersey comes walking down
with his two kids.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
He goes, dude, you're in my seat.
Speaker 8 (03:32):
To him, thank God, and he gets it. Oh, I'm
so and goes down about fifteen rows and sits down.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I said, Lord, he's just.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And God came through.
Speaker 8 (03:48):
Because I can't imagine him standing up every time the Yankees,
you know, scored or something and turn around and.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Were you guys in the city at all? Did you
get the kid down?
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Didn't?
Speaker 8 (03:59):
We didn't go there, But what a couple of museums.
There was a Japanese museum. My son did a great
job being the concious because we went to the Motion Museum.
They had a display of the Muppets, and they had
a display of the all of the movies of Tom
Cruise's Mission Impossible movies that was amazing. All the makeup
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gear and all the stuff that he wore. Went to
Delmonico's for a steak.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Ok.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Dude, that was like bud, Yeah, it was. It was amazing.
I've never had a stick that good in my life.
Speaker 9 (04:31):
I'm surprised how many people have dogs there, and they
live in these tiny apartments and so you know, the
dog spends ninety percent of their day inside in that
tiny apartment.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And then you know, apart from Central.
Speaker 9 (04:42):
Park, there's just little patches of grass where they'll pee
on the sidewalk or whatever. And there was one morning
I was I was walking to get some bagels, and
there was a lady had her little.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Dog on a leash. She was talking on.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
Her cell phone and she didn't realize it, but in
the same hand that she was talking on her phone,
she had a clear plastic bag of poop hanging front.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
It was just dangling like right next to our face.
She was so busy talking on the phone and walking
her dog.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
She did know.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I wish I would have gotten a picture of it
because it was.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
There. You go, it was a great trip, dude, it
really was.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I'm glad that you got to do that. Man. You know,
you had your travels. I had mine It's been a
tough month. We have had a lot of crazy. I
think we're under attack the whole the whole world of
the floods in Texas, the Middle East. We have some
heartaches personally. I lost my brother this last week. I
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know you've got issues going on with your family. Just
feels like a tax or are just happening left and right.
I feel worn out. You'll ever feel that way where
you're just like I'm tired.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, It's funny. I wake up in the morning some
days and I just lay in bed for an hour. Yeah,
that's just not me. Like typically, I'm like, you get
up and get going, and like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It feels like last couple at least last couple of months.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's just like I just trying to get the motivation
to get out of bed some days.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
You know.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
He and I didn't get any sleep last night. Yeah,
last I had so much trouble with my seatpap last night.
I don't know what was going on really, if Michelle
was putting the thumb over the air hole or you know,
trying to knock me out, But it was miserable, and
I told him, I said, I spiritually the last week
and a half to two weeks. I just it's been
a non stop barrage of garbage.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
My life this is a small example of how my
life's been going the last six months.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's just at this point, I just laughed. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So we've my kids and I we've spent a lot
of time together lately, and they're really getting into fishing
and they want to fish in the backyard. Well, we
go to Walmart to buy worms. The worms aren't in
a section where the worms normally are, so we assume
they stopped selling.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Worms at Walmart.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So it's live bait.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Live bait, because I just wanted to catch fish, right,
They've been you know, bread works okay for bluegills. But
we went to get some worms. So I can't find
the worms. So now I'm like, shit, Now I gotta
go all the way down to Melbourne, like somewhere to like,
you know, twenty minute, five thirty minutes away to buy worms.
So I don't do it. We go out to my
neighbors got worms. I'm like, where'd you get your worms at?
He goes Walmall Mark. I said, well, where in a
(07:06):
wal Mart? They've had him in the same spot for
ten years and they didn't have him there. Now he goes, oh,
it's over by the tire section, says okay.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Course the next day I go out buy worms, second
fish of the day, go to unhook at talapia. It
fish jerks down, the rod, hook comes out, goes right
through my thumb. Oh, the hook's not big enough for
me to push the barb out because it's a small
bluegill hook, so I have to rip this hook out
my thumb. So I'm like, all right, the worst is over.
(07:35):
Then you get a call from my brother for my
My wife calls my father in law and tells him
what happened, and he's like, yeah, he needs to go
get a tennis shot and antibiotics. And of course, my
best friend a year ago almost like lost his hand
due to a staff an infection that he didn't take
care of. So I'm like, gos, shit, all right, I
gotta go do that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Buy your scar healed. Yeah, his scars were three dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Worms cost me three hundred dollars in a night at
the urgent care. And I'm like and I'm just laughing
about it. And then the kids like, hey, can we
go catfish and I I'm like, guys, I think I'm
a little burned out, Like I'm done with that today,
you know. But it's just that's just kind of where
my world. It seems like everything's like that, you know
what I mean, And I don't know what's going on.
But you know, at this point, I'm just like I
was praying the other day and I was like, God,
(08:19):
you know, I appreciate you. I thank you for everything
that's going on, all the things you've given me, the opportunities.
I was like, but I just don't know what the
hell your plan is. Yeah, it's like, I know, I'm
supposed to trust it. Paul tells me that very clearly. Yeah, yeah,
I do, But I don't like where you're at right now.
You know, it's just a weird you know.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
What I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I've been thinking about that a lot, because it's you know,
the past month. Of course, my brother went to the
hospital five weeks ago, and I've been thinking about that,
what that exact thing you're saying a lot, because it's
okay for you, for any of us at this table
(08:57):
to say I don't get it, I don't like it.
It sucks. I don't understand what the plan is. I
have faith you're going to pull it out and pull
it through, but you know what, I don't like it.
And I'm with you this morning. I don't want to
get out of bed, and I'm still going through the grievy.
I'm getting better every day, and I look back to
(09:21):
my brother and you know, I spoke on it yesterday.
We put out a devotional this morning on my brother
in his situation, and he spent the last ten years
not feeling comfortable sharing that weakness inside of him and
to the world was everything's great and he wasn't. And
(09:46):
we founded a ministry to try to help men get
through that. And I took it personally that my brother
died because we set a ministry up to help with
that and I couldn't reach it. Others did and it
has a silver lining at the end. But watching and
(10:09):
talking to all of his lifelong friends having no clue
the pain, the struggle and everything he was going through
really made me frustrated and how we as men can
cope with that Where you can just say, man, I'm
gonna love you more if you share your weaknesses and
(10:29):
your fears and your life sucks today stuff, than if
you show me the facade you're putting on, does that
make sense?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
You know?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
And I've been brewing on this for two weeks because
we haven't we missed last week was of July fourth.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I just need to talk about it. I just need
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
He had talked and I know you hear from the
Holy Spirit, and you know, Garrett did.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
And I just commend you for you know.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Getting on a plan going there and basically asking him.
You know, I you know how I am, and I
think I shared this with you. When I was in
New York, I didn't feel any leading of the Holy
Spirit to talk to anybody.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
He was protecting you, That's what who was telling us that, Yeah,
I don't know, Yes, you're right.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Someone we were with was saying that. But he was
protecting you.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
And so you know, the waiters that we had and
things like that. You know, I think the one dude
that bought every rainbow patch that's on the market, and so,
but there was no leading whatsoever. And we had talked
about that. And my point about that is is you
listened to the Holy Spirit. Garrett listened to the Holy Spirit.
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You know, when you look in the Old Testament. You're
pretty good with the Old Testament. God talked to them
explicitly about everything, the arc, how long, how wide, what
kind of pitch, you know, everything, the size, what rooms?
David when he was going in to fight the battles.
You need to go south, you need to go up this,
(12:04):
you need to do all this. You know, where is
your armies?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Here?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Raise your arm So God was speaking to.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Them like you and I talk on a regular basis. Well,
now we have the Holy Spirit, the same spirit to
raise Christ from the dead. Is the same spirit that
lives in us. And do we God doesn't stop talking.
The Holy Spirit's in us, But do we listen? You went,
Garrett went, and you guys confirmed with your brother that
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even though when we were on that beach, and.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
He said that was two years ago exactly.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I don't want nothing to do with this.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I'm not on the same page as you guys.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
You know too to where you guys are at.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
You guys listen to the Holy Spirit, and you listen
to the Holy Spirit when we talked. And I just
want to commend you, Tray for for doing that, to
listening to the Holy Spirit. You know, you got to
buy a ticket, had to leave Bravard, you had to
go to you know, I know it's your brother, but do.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
People do that?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I mean I had to know and you had to know,
you know, tell him about the confirmation. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
It was crazy because you know, he he was in
so much pain and so much agony for so many years.
Dying a death of alcohol is brutal. It is it
is is so horrible and I can't give you the
whole backstory, but the past. You know, he confessed to
me his alcoholism nine years ago. It was the same
year my mom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and I think
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that's was a trigger for him when he when he
note when my mom and dad moved here, and you know,
from that point forward, I said, man, we got a
group of guys blah blah blah. Started with these four
guys in the living room, and he kind of looked
from a distance, right. And as the years progressed, he
got more and more belligerent, more and more frustrated, more
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and more cynical of God. One of his one of
his fam his famous quotes to me was I don't
know about that pray and stuff. God knows everything anyway,
He's all sovereign, he knows what I need, and why
why should I even pray?
Speaker 4 (14:06):
He goes.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I prayed and prayed. I gave money to the church
to restrop the parking lot. I didn't get Jack out
of that. And you know, I think I've told that
story before, and you know, he really went to prayers
A lot like prayers.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Man, I just I don't get it. They don't work.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
You know, over and over they do a Yankee Stadium,
they did a Yankee State. Well, I flew out there
and I was hesitant. You know, when I got there,
he'd been in the hospital two weeks. He's gurgling when
he breathes, he's semi alert, and I just had the
moment where I said, brother, I'm not sure how you
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feel about this, but I sent out prayer request about
two days ago to legions of people, I would imagine thousands,
tens of thousands, and I said, they're praying for your
they're praying for your peace. And you know what his
words than we were someone that was doubting prayer for
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all those years. His words to me were, you know,
I know you did. I said you did, and he
said the past two nights I have awakened in the
middle of the night and by people's voices praying for me.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
And then he said this, I have even heard voices
in other languages and I understand them. He went from
prayers being skeptical to hearing prayers. And we had our
friends at Amigos and Cristo and Warrez they're praying for him.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
They ain't praying for him in English.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
And it all just kind of came together and I started,
I started weeping in front of him, and he said,
I get it.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I get it now. I get what you guys do.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And then I just said, you know, Paul says, confess
with your mouth that Jesus Lord, and believe in your
heart that he rose from the dead and you too
will be saved.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Do you believe this?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Hayden and his words where I have never been more certain.
But we went through ten years of not feeling comfortable
coming out and feeling a freedom to share my weaknesses.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
He just held everything to his chest.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The cards were like right here, and man, I just
feel like.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Wow, I couldn't reach him. Garrett reached him bigger than
anyone else.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I just just a message for the men out there
is come on, guys.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Gon't wait till the life.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
I don't care if you're an alcoholic, I don't care
if you struggle.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't care if you're in the porn every night,
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Just come yeah, And that message in our ministry is
what it's all about.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
You don't have to put on a facade.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
You don't have to be a man that goes breaking
through walls and being tough. But man, what I wouldn't
give from my brother to be right here telling his
stupid ass jokes one more time because he feelt comfortable
enough just to say life sucks. I don't get it.
Prayer it don't work, I don't you know. Whatever it is,
(17:27):
say it, and let's find a way to come together,
put our arms around each other, walk with the Holy Spirit,
and begin to heal a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
So you know, you started that's my monologue, But you
started out saying that. You know, you felt like you
failed because you have a whole men's ministry.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But it bothered me a little bit. But you didn't fail.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now, I mean you got at the very end of
the day, he's exactly where you were trying to get him.
To go anyway. Yeah, now he chose a very I
mean rough path. I mean, that's not a way I
want to go. Yeah, you know, but at the end
of the day, I mean, the ultimate goal is the forever, right,
it's not the for now. So at least you know,
and I mean, listen, you didn't tell the part about
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Garrett getting the chance of baptizing.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
It was two days after that, that three days before
he died. Garrett flew out there and Garrett knew about
my conversation with Hayden. And Garrett said, hey, uncle, Hayden,
I think we need to baptize you. And he goes,
let's get it done right there in the hospital room,
you know it, you know, and Hayden started softening up.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think it was a year ago when we had Tbou.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Here, remember, And he walked right into t Bou that
that in that back room, and this is just the
way he was. He walked right into him, stuck out
his hand, Hey I'm Hayden, what was your name again?
And we all just died laughing. You know, it's just
the way he was. But that night Tbo's message was
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one of his quotes, was it's not about what I've done,
what I do, what I've experienced. It's about what Jesus did.
And Hayden looked at me after quoted that, and he said,
I went to a church my whole life talking about Jesus,
and I left the church feeling like I needed to perform.
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And that was a totally different message. And that's what
you guys talk about. And I said, you're welcome to
join anytime. He started coming to our Monday night virtual call,
and it was a brother from Chicago, Darien, that connected
with him on the prayer thing. And that was like
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January before you know, this past January, so I and
you know, he sowed seeds into him. So I saw
Jesus working through other guys, and it took the load
off me, because you know the thing about bearing each
other's burdens, you don't want to bear their burdens and
it becomes a burden on you. And I let that
happen a lot. It's okay just to say I don't
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get it. It's okay to say life sucks. It's okay
to say I'm in recovery, you know, toy and Tolian
and he had close.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
His post recently about that guy that contacted him. That
was amazing.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Oh, that was amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And I heard him in a sermon one time saying
I've learned more about Jesus from a recovering addict than
I have a thousand sermons in seminary.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And I thought that was so profound.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
And I saw Jesus working in my brother the past
year more than any sermon I've ever listened to.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
How much better we get to know the Lord through
suffering than when everything's great. I mean, you're forced to
go deeper and you know, read more scripture, lean in
more in prayer when you're in suffering than when everything
is going great.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
And a couple of weeks ago, I was.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Reading an Exodus, when you know, when God told Moses
to go to Pharaoh, tell him to let his people go.
That took about a year before Pharaoh actually let him go.
And it got worse before it got better. You know,
I can imagine the Israelites going, hey, man, Moses, you know,
God told Moses to go, tell Pharaoh to let it go. Man,
like we're out, we're done, We're out of here. But
it got worse, and I'm sure they were sitting there going, well,
(21:04):
I didn't work. That sucks, Like what's God doing? And
then you know, before when Faya were finally let him go,
God said, you know, basically they plundered the Egyptians, like
they took all this gold and everything from them, so
they left, you know, they went from being slaves to
being wealthy and free and leaving. And then you know,
a couple months later, they were building the Tabernacle and
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they were asking for people to bring gold and all
this kind of stuff to make it, and they had
to tell them to stop. They're like, we got more
than we need, Like like stop bringing stop bringing gold
and jewels, because we have more than we need.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Right when has that ever happened?
Speaker 9 (21:38):
But you you know, you go back just a few
months earlier, they are still slaves and they were still
going this sucks.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Nothing's working.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
So sometimes I like I was drawing encouragement from that
because I know we're all in different places of suffering
and wondering are these prayers doing anything?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Is anything happening?
Speaker 9 (21:55):
And so it's like, at what point, you know, or
are we gonna Is that gonna turn for our good?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
At some point? I believe it will, and.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
I think we'll all have testimonies of that, but right
now we're still in the kind of in that down,
that down area that's tough to be in.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Yeah, you know, think about the whole thing with a
pharaoh though, was it was prior to you know, I'm
the man and you ain't gonna tell me, and he's
still after the last thing when he let him go,
then what does he do.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
He gets on his horses in their charts and he goes.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
To chase him.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
He's gonna go try and kill him anyway, And it's like, no,
I love the real issues send of modern day, Like
you had one of Adam and Eve.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
All the AI stuff that, yeah, where they're doing Selfiason
in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, hilarious.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Those those kind of give a flare that makes you think.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
For sure, what's funny about him is they just talking
like modern language and the item and Evel's great, especially
when the host goes, you know, I'm still kind of
pissed off of you.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
We're still paying the prize is Eve gives it to Adam.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
You know you were standing right there.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You know, you know our friend John Lynch.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Who we we we dearly love, he's spoken for us
at a conference, and of course Tollyan did too, but uh.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And we had Stacy here on the podcast with us.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I mean, you know, but John's one of my favorite
My favorite quotes from the Cure is, you know, if
if I share my worst with you, will you love
me more?
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Love me less?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And I just wish my brother would have shared his
worst more with more people, because people are coming out
of the woodwarre going.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I had no clue.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
We had our call Monday night, and and uh, one
of my brother's high school great friends played American Legion
ball together and he joined our call. He just showed
up and he goes, guys, I'm I'm I'm floored.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
If I wish I would have asked the right questions.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
I had no clue that he was dealing with this none,
and he started kind of doing the blame game on him.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
And we tried to redirect that, obviously, And.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Man, what I wouldn't give for one more time for
him just to look at me and say, like he
did nine years ago, I'm struggling with alcohol. I'd call
myself a functioning alcoholic, and I'm worried about me and
my family. And that was the only time he really
got real on me. And then after that he just
go I'm gonna going then I go to a meeting,
(24:26):
but never and after his liver started failing, it was
I'm going to get treatment.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Never did it.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
He just put his head in the sand. And I'm like, oh,
so senseless.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
But it's important to people listening that we literally have
a guy that can help you. And I had a
guy reach out last week and you know, I connected
him with Trey and Trace connected them with another military
guy and.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That story is still to be unfolding.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But yeah, just because you reach out to one of
the four of us, and I just want to say it,
we'll will personally try to help you as much as
we can. But if we know a guy that's got
a better situation or a better likeness, We're going to
connect you with those guys and open up and tell
those guys your story. I guarantee their stories is just
the same as yours or worse, right, And that's part
of the ministry, right, So we want to connect guys
with guys that they can relate to.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Right now, this world life seems to suck a little bit,
and you know we're all experiencing it from jobs, job stuff.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
To your job.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Stuff's going kind of crazy. My heart's broken about the
Central Texas.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Remember vividly to being down that river and how beautiful
and serena it was, right, I remember it growing up
in Texas. That was one of the most beautiful places
to go. And then to see that turn into a
ravaging death thing, it's hard to swallow and.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Trey, that's the nature of that area. Like New Mexico, Arizona,
the flash floods happened like that.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
You know, it's not like it's not happened before.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
And but it happened at like three o'clock in the morning, right,
So who are you notifying? I can't hear my phone
a three o'clock in the morning, now, you know, yeah,
I could sleep on a fire alarm. Now when I
sound like Darth Vader.
Speaker 9 (26:09):
I think they had been issuing flood warnings like throughout
the day before that. But you know, you know how
it is like with with hurricane warnings and stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
We're like, yeah, yeah, whatever, we just kind of put
it off.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
But I heard that the river rose like twenty something
twenty feet within less than an hour.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, it was like once a millennial type of thing.
It wasn't a nothing normal, you know.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And we you know, one of our partners of the
ministry that we help raise awareness for is they're called
Amigos and Cristo. They're in war Is, Mexico, which is
probably six to eight hour drive from that area of
the state of Texas. But the same type of storm
systems were kind of in that area as well, and
it flooded out.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
One of the children's centers.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
And so we're gonna have we're going in October and
we're going to have some work to do from and
you know what was crazy. Those people smiled the whole
time they were cleaning that stuff up. They were praising
God the whole time.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
You're happy.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
But we're going to be going in October.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
All the information just went out yesterday, October eleventh, and
we're gonna be doing some building projects. We're looking for
twenty men to go. And these people aren't they ain't screaming.
They like nothing in Christ and they're they're saying it
and this sucks and we're going to get through it.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
You know whatever.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Satan Brewings, man, it's like you know, I know it
can bring you down, but for the most part, you
can overcome anything with a relationship with Jesus Christ. I'm
not saying that you're not going to go through it.
We have all gone through it. We're still going through it.
But you can overcome and it happens, and we see
it on this side that God wins in every situation
(27:47):
if you just put your trust in them. And I
hope somebody hearing this today or this week will realize
that I can't do it on my own and I've
got to reach out reach out to us. You've got
the the website.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Brotherhood support Page, Impact Ministries dot org.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
So I just encourage you to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You're just thinking, I'm just thinking, you know, just actually
was thinking about something a little bit look more lighthearted.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But it's the.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Twenty year anniversary of the Sugar Bowl, this Sugar Sugar Bowl,
and I was thinking about the flood. That's the only
Sugar Bowl ever played outside of New Orleans because Katrina
hit and sunk the.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
He went to San Antonio, didn't you know, Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He went to Atlanta and we played in the Heart
of the Bulldogs, who we played in the Georgia and
then we beat him. You know, we actually embarrassed him
in the first quarter put up twenty one and nothing,
and now they did slowly come back. It came down
to a faked punt to keep us from letting them
have the ball back, which allowed us to win the game.
But I was just talking to one of the guys, uh,
(28:52):
Anthony Lewis. He's he actually has a podcast up there,
and I told him I give him a shout out
this week on ours because he let me shout ours
out on his. It's the you guys haven't watched a touchdown?
City dot com is the podcast he does. And you know,
it's just fun talking about the memories and stuff looking
back and you're talking about God's plan to sow many
things have happened between now and then. But when you
(29:13):
look back a lot of times you forget about all
that little stuff, you know what I mean, not the
big stuff. You'll remember, hey, that was a tough year,
you know, or whatever. But it's just funny. And when
you start thinking about like just life and reverse and
you know.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Just I look at myself now and I've finally realized
that I'm I'm getting old, you know, and having to
go to doctors. You know, you look in the mirror
and they say the two times that you age are
like forty forty to forty four and you in your sixties.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
And I'm seeing it.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
I'm feeling, you know, I went to a doctor the
other day and you know, he said that stop eating
anything fatty. And I said, you mean like steak and
big and he said, you know, he said, stop eating fatty.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Don't bump.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
But you feel chef. You're not going through it yet,
but you feel like you're you're closer to the grave
than what you are at somebody your particular. You still
have that sense of invincibility, but things just don't happen
to you and make you get riled up as much.
(30:21):
I mean, I'm starting to lose a lot of things
that used to just It's like, this is life. Who cares,
Let's go on, let's move on. Lord, you're you're you're
leading away. I just don't. I don't get riled up
like I used to anymore. And I'm starting to realize
that I've gained patients.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
In certain situations.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Having peace definitely feels a lot better act being pissed
off all the time. I see people online that are
pissed off about everything. You can post the most lighthearted,
fun thing, somebody's going to get mad about it, and
I don't know. I feel like, you know, through the
past number of years of our difficulties and sufferings, it's
like my baseline for what I can tolerate.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Is has gone way up.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Like like you said, I don't get as pissed off
about things as easily as I used to. And when
I used to, it didn't feel good, like I get round,
Let me get mad and get the adrenaline. But afterwards,
I'm like, man, I lost control, Like that, that was bad,
But now it's it's better because I'm going through It's
like I'm being trained. It's like I'm going you know,
to the gym emotionally and spiritually every day because I'm
(31:21):
having resistance and I'm having to push against it. But man,
having that peace in the long run feels a lot
better than just being mad.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
My brother.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Was in this roller coaster of anger so much so
that he did a couple of pretty unspeakable things a
couple of years ago, and but in that, you know,
as this past year progressed, I sensed that anger subside
every time I talked with him. After that t bow event,
(31:54):
every time I talked with him. When I used to
talk to him, he'd start railing against God, Why is
he doing this? Me?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Why? Why is he allowing this?
Speaker 5 (32:02):
You probably have had similar conversations with your brother, right,
And that shifted to more He's still he was still raw,
but he wasn't cynical anymore in his questioning. It was
more of, Okay, I got to get to the bottom
of this. I need to understand. Trey, help help help
me understand. Garrett helped me understand. And then that last
(32:27):
five weeks in that hospital when he was gurgling when
he breathed because of all the fluid build up, because
his kidneys were you know, his liver was gone, his
kidneys were failing. Talking with him, he had this sense
of peace, the peace that I wouldn't have. And and
Garrett was with him when the doctor looked at him
and said, you understand, mister Etheridge, that this isn't going
(32:51):
to end well and we need to start thinking about
hospice care because your liver is one hundred percent gone
and your kidneys are on the way. And Hayden's words
were I was afraid of that. It wasn't anger, it
was just and then that night Garrett baptized him. And
(33:12):
you know, this was a couple of days after I
chatted with him and us sharing these stories is the
most important thing ever, Because I am not.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
A deep theologian. I know, we hear about it every
single week. I hear it about it every week. So yeah,
all y'all just line up.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
But in Revelation twelve, when John is talking about how
the archangels defeated Satan and his minions, the words were
they conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and
the word of their testimony, for they love not their lives,
even unto death. That's all we got is the blood.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Of the Lamb and our story.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
That's all we got is the blood of the Lamb
and the story of my brother and our relationship. So
all we got is the story of the Lamb and
the blood of the Lamb, and the story of you
and Panera. The day that you found out you know
about the death is your mother is your mother? You know,
your mom and your dad dying so close together. That's
a that's a heap of worldly awfulness heaped on you
(34:22):
at once. But when you tell that story someone, it
clicks with somebody. You know, how we joke about it,
but how you were scared of death to tell your
parents you got jen pregnant when you were in college
and you sent a letter to them because you didn't
have the guts to call someone relates to that.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, right, I realized you sent the letter to him. Yeah,
oh yeah, he was too chick in the it was.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It was funny because it was such an opposite thing.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Jennifer's mom called her and says, God told me you're pregnant,
like like she had this connection with God. And she
called Jennifer and says, God told me you're pregnant, aren't you?
And they're like, oh and me, I'm like, I can't
tell my parents.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I have to write a letter.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
I mean this is back in nineteen eighty nine, so
it's like I have to write a letter and I
have to send it in the mail, wait three days
for it to get there.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Not an email, No, not an email. It was it
was snail man.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Did it start with dear mom and dad, I have
something to share with you.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Ye, dear grandpa and grandpa.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh there you go. Yeah, that would have been good.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Do you have that letter somewhere?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (35:24):
I mean, I would be surprised if my mom had
it somewhere, but maybe she does.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
That would be a trip to read. Now, that would
be a trip to read now, ask her.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But like that your story that happens to someone that's
a Christian every day?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
And man, how we can help each other through these things?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
You know, so and you get a run over on
your bike or you know those type of things. We
have these moments and you know mine was a suicidal
thoughts and experience and and then my brother complaining about prayer.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yet it was prayer's hear before he died.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And that's cool.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
It just God works, and it's it's not just some things.
He works for the greater good. It's everything. Even a
tragedy like that.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Well, that's where you go back to what we're talking
about earlier, Like sometimes you're right in the middle of it,
and I know you prayed over the last nine years. God,
why and the heck is Heyden not?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Just get it? Gosh? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Every day?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But his story might save two people today because they
hear this podcast, they hear that story, and then they
make the phone call that he wouldn't make you know.
It's that's why I laugh at some of the stuff
that's going on in my life right now. And I'm
definitely not happy about all of it, you know what
I mean. I'm sitting there going like, you know, I've
worked fifteen years to get this to this point, and
now it seems like everything I do is just a
(36:43):
slap in the face. But it's like, you know, but
I do know. I know what Paul says in Romans.
You know, everything he does is for good, and if
he's with you, he can't be nothing can be against
you together the Yeah, And I know that, and I
quote that to myself all the time because I just
need to remember it, especially when I'm sitting there the
fish hook in my hand and I can't get to
actually just push through the other side because it's too small,
(37:03):
and you know, and then I'm sitting in the yard
and I'm just like, oh, you know, here we are,
you know, right. But but it's just I think that's
the that's the faith part of it, right, Yes, that's
the that's the piece that when people say, you know,
what is faith, that's faith. It's just knowing it's gonna
work out somehow, not knowing how not necessarily liking how
not liking what we're going through at the moment. But
(37:24):
the faith part is where you say, hey, I know
you got me still.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
Yeah, it's that piece that surpasses all understanding. When you
think about that scripture, the piece that surpasses all understanding.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
Yeah, I think it's interesting that even you know, the
super Christians, they do everything right, you're still going to
have those moments where you question where you know, because.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Like you said, because it's faith. It's not faith.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
If you have all the answers and you know everything
that's gonna happen, you know how it's gonna work out,
it's not faith. So we all come to those moments
where it's like I don't see out of this hole.
I don't see how I'm gonna get out, and I
understand it, but I just believe that God's gonna He's
gonna work it together. If you don't have that, then
what do you have? Like what does the world look to?
Speaker 8 (38:04):
I love the Kansas City chiefs Owner's daughter hunt it's
not her married name, her maid name something, but she
posted after because they had family that was in that
Christian camp, and she posted basically that She's still going.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
To serve the Lord. She still loves the Lord.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
I don't understand when these things happen. But God is
still on the throne, and yes, I'm still going to
serve him. It doesn't change. Yeah, you know why did
the flood wipe out a Christian camp?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Don't know?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Well, that's where the Old Testament comes into play too.
You look at the Book of Job and it reminds
us that, you know, Satan has to get permission to
do that, right, so therefore had to line up with
God's plan. Yeah, so something's going to come out.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Of it and we don't.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah, and it's insane as it seems something's coming out
of it.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
And that's hard for someone that isn't not of a faith.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
You can't someone that wants to be able to put
their finger on it, you can't do it, and you
can't do it.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
We had another something that happened a couple of weeks ago.
It was very tragic event with somebody that we all know.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yes, yeah, that was that was awful.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
Yeah, But I just remember thinking I had this thought
that like God wasn't defeated, like he didn't lose you know, Satan.
Satan didn't snatch this person out of his hand. You know, God,
God's like you said, He's still on the throne. He's
still winning. So I mean, we don't understand it, no,
and I can't reconcile it, like I've been trying to
figure it out in my head.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And just like man, I don't know, I don't know
what to say.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You don't, You don't know what to say.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
And in an instance like that where someone takes their life, boy,
that adds another layer to things and division and finger pointing,
and that that adds something totally sure, more deep and
what I would say, more sinister to stuff than Satan.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Satan goes. Oh, I can play with that in a
big way.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
And and you know, we pray for the church and
and and the people involved there.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
As they're trying to heal from that.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
And how equipped is the church on mental mental illness
and things like that, because I got to tell you
when I was suicidal, I was in a different place.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
My mind was fried. I wasn't thinking logically about anything well.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
And it's tough and it's a tough thing for us
to get our hands around, especially in the church.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
And that could be a whole podcast and self mental
health in the church, because I personally feel like a
lot of times would you say, well.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Let's pray about it and it'll get better.
Speaker 8 (40:30):
Right, The stigma behind medicaid, you're taking medicaid? Yeah, I mean,
we got to pray that out of here. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I don't know how you know where I'm
at on that one. You know, I think you gotta.
God gave us science, So let's you know, yeah, I agree. Anyway,
that's that's another hour and that's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Anyway, takeaways from today. I appreciate y'all letting me just
vent a little bit, and my healing is getting better.
We're going to celebrate my brother's life here in a
couple of weeks back in the Dallas Fort Worth area,
and it's going to be a celebration and everyone, all
his boys, his wife, my family all know that alcohol,
(41:09):
his problems did not define him, and Jesus did in
the end and did the past year. And it was
inspiring to hear him say those words a couple of
weeks ago, and so we're going to hold onto that
and ride that truth out out of here. So a
couple of announcements I mentioned it earlier, but the information
(41:30):
went out.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
You can check our social media or our website.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
We are going to be trying to take twenty men
on an impact mission trip this October October eleventh through
the eighteenth to Warrez, Mexico to help our friends at
Amigos and Crease Show.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
It's a children's.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Community center, fine arts center and those they feed one
hundred and ninety kids a day something like that. They've
had some destruction with the flooding and they just need
some work done on some housing.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
It is third world.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
It is rough, but is most It will probably be
the most rewarding week you've ever gone through. So we
would encourage you to check the check the website and
look at the two dates we're going to have informational
Zoom meetings. They're coming up in a couple of weeks
and we want to get you on board. October eleventh
through the eighteenth, So we have a men's breakfast. We're
(42:28):
going to be over at the church at Vieira in
Brevard County, Florida on August of twenty third.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Our friend Ali far.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Haughtie is going to be coming back to talk to
Us'll vacant Bacon. I've got to tell the Bacon story.
He's got to tell the Bacon story. It has been
about three years since he's been here. But Ali born
in Tehran, Iran proud Muslim, saved by Christ when he
immigrated the United States.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
And his story, uh is so inspiring and he is so.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Knowledgeable about how we can evangelize to the Muslim community.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
So mark your calendar for that.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
And those are the things that are coming up in
the next couple of months, so stay tuned. Check the website,
check the social media, check YouTube, give us a like,
a share, a follow, and then if you want to
make it a little donation to help us with all
our all of our platforms, we would love for you
to join us.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
I was just thinking, Muslims have iPhones and stuff like that. Right,
how do the women do the facial idea?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Probably don't, but don't bump. Probably know. It's a fair,
fair question and real quick.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Just another shout out to Anthony Lewis and the guys
a Touchdown City and Anthony. You can find those guys
on Apple and Spotify. So if you give us a like,
fall and share, check out them. You can hear the
story about the Sugar Bowl team and either have a
bunch of less guys on throughout the next couple weeks
before the season.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
So are they haven't Pat on there?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yep, Yeah, they'll, Well, they're trying. He's he probably will
do it.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
It's just getting him to do it, and then also
all of his contracts what he can and can't do
or makes sense. It's it's a little bit tougher when
you have one hundred million dollar Pat mccaffee mcafeefe.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
Love to have him on here.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I know he's hard to get I've tried to get
ahold of them. It's just he's he's just at a
different level. It's hard to get ahold of those there.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah, yeah, would it be hard for him to get
a hold of you.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
No, you're not at a different level, not yet. I
like the different I don't have a publicist yet, but
one thing you do have is us.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
I'm Trey, Michael Brad and I'm Jeremy We are the Yeah,
you're at a different level, bro, I'm very different level.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
They have to pull the the job down to and
that dude do it in public.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
When when we were in Jedo with Joseph and that
whole group.
Speaker 9 (44:44):
I saw a couple of ladies, you know, at a
restaurant and they all sear their eyes. Everything was covering them,
like how do they eat? And they would lift the
veil over their mouth and they would put one fork
full in, put it back down, I'll chew it up.
I'm like, nobody moves to that part of the world
and goes, I'm doing this.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I think you have to be
Speaker 5 (45:07):
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