Patricia Muehsam, MD – Beyond Medicine - Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science, and
the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
we will explore these topics and so much more with
fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to

(00:27):
Destination Unlimited. What do healing and health, physical, mental, emotional,
and spiritual really mean? After decades researching this question, doctor
Patricia Mussom, MD offers a revolutionary way to think about health.

(00:52):
Doctor Trish, my guest this week on Destination Unlimited, is
a pioneer in the synthesis of science, holistic health, health,
and contemporary spirituality. She has distinguished herself as a practitioner, educator,
and research scientist and has been an influential force in
shaping the landscape of healthcare options available today. Doctor Trish

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is the founder of Transformational Medicine, a whole person approach
to health and wellbeing, offering tools and resources for individuals
and communities in person and online. Her website is Transformationalmedicine
dot org, and she joins me this week to share
her path and book, Beyond Medicine, A Physician's Revolutionary Prescription

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for achieving absolute health and finding inner peace. Please join
me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited, Doctor Patricia Musom. Welcome,
doctor Musom.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Thank you, Victor, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
And I understand that you like to be called doctor Trish,
and that's what we're going to call you.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, that sounds great.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Wonderful, doctor Trisha. What inspired your book Beyond Medicine?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, the inspiration from Beyond Medicine came from two very
big personal events in my life. Actually, I should say
that the inspiration for how I worked today and how
I came to understand health and healing, which is what

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led to the book, my wanting to share a new
way to think about health and healing. Those two big
personal experiences were first, when I was in my early twenties,
I started having what we would call psychic or out
of body experiences, and it was an incredibly powerful period

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in my life that unfortunately ended not so happily. It
was misunderstood by many people. People I told that I
shouldn't have told perhaps, and I ended up getting locked
up in a psychiatric word, destined to be medicated for life,
told that I was essentially mentally ill. But to make

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a long story short, that period of psychic openings led
me to understand that.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
There is.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Marvelous, real, remarkable reality beyond cognition and our five senses
that I like to call the unseen world, and some
may call it an expanded state of consciousness, but that
is a place where inspiration, clarity, healing, and connection with

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unseen realms arises. And in that period of time, I
experienced a kind of piece I'd never known before, and
a piece that led me to understand that that piece
was always available to us if we could access that
particular place, that unseen world. So the psychic experiences also

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I call them spiritual awakenings or spiritual openings. That was
one powerful experience, the notion that we don't have to suffer,
that suffering is not inevitable. And the second experience wasn't
a personal experience I had. In my primary family, my
father had had a quite catastrophic stroke when he was

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in his late forties, and nearly twenty years later, when
I was in my medical training, he experienced a treatment
of a very gifted, somewhat eccentric physician scientist who worked

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with energy, chigong and a unique theory of pathogenesis of
how disease happens. And my father's catastrophic stroke had left
him initially partially aphasic, meaning he couldn't get the words
out that he wanted to get out, and partially paralyzed

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on one side of his body. And after this these
treatments with this somewhat eccentric but brilliant scientist, his speech
came back. So that was another turning point for me
that led me to believe without a doubt that healing

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was possible beyond the conventional Western biomedical model and beyond
our current paradigm of understanding health, illness and healing. And
those two were formative experiences that led me to how
I worked today and I wanted to at one point
some years ago go before I put Bent into paper

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share all of that in book form with the world Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
How do you define absolute health and why does it matter?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I define absolute health as simply peace of mind. Peace
of mind is our essential nature. It's the way we
were born to be, and it matters because that state
of inner peace is where we need to be mentally, emotionally,

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and also physically. The body needs to be in a
state of absolute rest to healers to for healing to happen,
the body won't heal otherwise. Our thoughts and our feelings
affect our health instantaneously. Other every thought and feeling is
either creating a state of ease or disease. So a

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calm a peaceful mind creates a calm and peaceful body.
A disturbed mind creates stress in the body. The body
needs to be calm for healing to happen.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
And how do we get there?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, there are many many ways to get there. In
my book, in the Teachings of the Big I offer
what I call the five five absolute health tools, and
some of these are very, very simple and very mediate.
Those five tools are breathing, meditation, journaling, a tool called

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mirror work for those of your listeners who are familiar
with Louise Hey, that's a technique that Louise Hay cultivated
in her teachings. And the fifth tool, the fifth of
the five apps held tools, is mind body sensing, a
somatic process where we tune into what's going on in

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our bodies physically sensation wise. These are tools that help
us cultivate this idea of being here now, being present
in the moment, not in the past, not in the future,
but in the moment right now.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Let's talk about the first one breathing. Tell us about the.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Breathing sure, well, the simplest breathing tool that we can
access is what's typically called abdominal diaframatic or belly breathing,
and that type of breathing instantaneously turns on what's called
the power sympathetic nervous system. That's the system we need

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to have turned on for rest, for healing, as well
as for sleeping and for digestion. That system lowers our
blood pressure, it lowers how fast the heart is beating,
it lowers our breathing rate, and it facilitates that place
I mentioned, that place of absolute health that we need

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to be for healing to happen. And also it's a
place we need to be for clarity if we're confused,
if we don't know the answer to some sort of
challenge we're experiencing in our life. So abdominal or belly
breathing is the quickest and most powerful tool we have
to instantaneously turn us from a state of agitation or

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vigilance to peace. And what about journaling, Well, journaling is
a wonderful tool that can help us access what's going
on internally, emotionally and thought wise when we may have
a hard time doing that just naturally. It's a that
we can put our thoughts, emotions to paper. And I

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especially emphasize the technique called stream of consciousness writing, where
we just literally write whatever comes to mind, and that's
another tool to help us cultivate this be here now process.
There are other journaling methods as well. There's non dominant
handwriting where we write with the hand that we don't

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normally write with if we're dominant, either left or right handed,
or journaling exercises for accessing our inner child, for accessing
our higher wisdom. But these are tools that can really
help us to just be present with us with what's
coming up internally.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
And what about tuning into the body that you had described.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Oh, yes, that's the mind body sensing process that I mentioned,
sometimes called somatic experiencing. It's just another tech t nique
to again cultivate this place of being present with what
is we're often so many of us, especially in the
Western world, in our heads, in our forebrains, in our

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thinking brains, and it's way to literally drop our attention
into our physical body and be mindful present with what's
going on in the physical body, and it moves us
from mind to body. It can move us from mind
to heart, from mind to body, and that's another very

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powerful way to get out of our thinking brain, which
often can keep us from being here now and feeling
what's going on in the moment.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
So let's take an example. Let's say one of our
listeners is at work one day and someone does something
that they find challenging. What should the response be.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I suggest that people do what the easiest is for
them to do. And if they're in a work setting
where it's very exposed and they're not able to find
a place of peace, the easiest thing to do is
just go to the bathroom, sit on the toilet, and
do some belly breathing, and that will allow us to

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calm the nervous system, which will move any thoughts or
emotions of agitation towards feelings of peace and ease. If
feelings are feeling very challenging, another process to do is
that mind body sensing that I just mentioned, finding the
feeling in the body. If somebody's feeling agitated or angry reactive,

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imagine dropping down into the body and feeling where in
the body they feel that emotion, and breathing into that place.
That's another intentional process to move us away from that
heightened state of emotion or thought.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
So all of these steps really about being proactive rather
than reactive. Absolutely, yes, And in the workplace that can
be a very important thing for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, And it doesn't mean it's an essential element of
human nature that we can be reactive. We're emotional human beings.
We were hardwired evolutionarily to respond to stressors, and then
depending on who we are personality wise and the experiences

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and whatever traumas we may have had, we may react
to situations internally emotionally. So I won't say we shouldn't
ever be reactive. In fact, I like to delete the
words should from our vocabularies. But when we're noticing that
we're reacting, the key is to noticing that and using

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that observation and then experimenting with the tools that I
mentioned to shift that state.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So let's talk about that mind body connection a little more.
Please explain just how omnipotent our thoughts and emotions are.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Sure, well, the mind and the body are intimately intimately
linked in fact, there's really no separation between the two.
This is a concept that is rooted in all the
ancient global healing traditions, but it's something that we and

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I certainly wasn't exposed to in my medical training, that
we as a Western culture have lost touch with. We
have a doctor for the heart, a doctor for the
digestive system, a doctor for the mind and the emotions,
but in fact, the mind and the body are intimately
inextricably connected. There is no separation between what we're thinking,

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what we're feeling, and what's going on in the physical body.
And if something's going on emotionally, there will always be
a physical component. If there's something going on physically, if
we have an illness, a symptom, a disease, there's always
an emotional component. Every thought, every feeling is either creating

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a state of ease or disease in the body. Like
I said earlier, a calm, a peaceful mind creates a
calm and peaceful body. A disturbed mind creates stress in
the body. What I love about it, being a physician
and a scientist, is that this is ancient wisdom, and

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it's wisdom that we've lost a bit in the practice
of Western medicine that this ancient wisdom is now very
well documented by the tools of modern science. There's a
growing vast body of research that has shown that feelings
either held and it held within we kept in i e.

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Repressed or expressed in extreme can cause disease and can
impede healing. Even cancer and diseases that Western medicine deems
incurable can be completely cured as long as we address
the wholeness of the individual, and that means acknowledging the

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emotional correlates to those physical illnesses. In other words, emotional
healing can mend us absolutely.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
You've mentioned before that you've been a patient yourself. How
has that influenced your practice?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
In many many ways. It's it's influenced me in terms
of the importance of the practitioner. I don't even like
to use the word patient, but in terms of the
relationship between the practitioner and the patient for all the
intentsive purposes, I'll just use that word now. Our relationships

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with practitioners can either be supportive or they can be destructive.
And I've had some wonderfully supportive healing partnerships, and I've
had some that were not supportive at all, and the
healing partnership can impede our healing if it's not a
supportive one. Obviously, it gave me great insights and empathy

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into being a patient, a quote patient, and you know,
a view as an insider from the patient perspective, and
even if as a physician there were times that it
was very challenging and very disempowering because of how our
medical our medical system works today.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
And how important is listening in the practice.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Oh, it's absolutely one hundred percent important.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Do you find that many practitioners today, many physicians don't
spend enough time listening.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Well, I think most physicians who are employees of either
academic centers or of large practices, and now nowadays large
practices are getting brought up the way veterinary practices are
getting purchased, are set up to see patients in very
little time segments, so absolutely they're not able to listen.

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In my work, when I work with people doing health consultations,
I spend an hour and a half to two for
the first session, and often it's the person whom I'm
working with that is telling me what's going on with them.
When I truly lessen and when I ask ask specific questions.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
So instead of the word patient, perhaps those who need
to be listened to.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's a great way of putting it. Yeah, are those
who need to be.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Heard for those who need to be heard? Really? Yeah, wonderful.
You explain that he may be a return to the
body or a departure from it, for example death. Just
what do you mean by this?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, we obviously tend to think of healing as an
improvement in our physical health, but I also offer that
healing can mean death. Death is a normal and natural
part of life. This may not sit well for those

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of your listeners who may not like to think of
the notions of dying and death. For so many of
us in this culture, we think of death as a
distressing or even horrific idea, and that's certainly the tendency
of Western culture. But healing is a return to our

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essential nature, and our sential nature, as I said, is
that place of calm and peace, And it's how we
return to our if we're meant to get well, and
it's how we can leave our body with peace and ease,
if we're meant to leave our bodies. Tremendous cultural distress
over the idea of death. You know, we're so attached

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to the notion of longevity and fear of aging and
all that's associated with aging. We've really horbalized dying and death,
which is which is really unfortunate. And if we were
able to accept that the experiences of being human, including illness, dying,

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and death, are natural and normal experiences of being human,
we might very well be able to navigate them with
more ease and enter them with more ease, and leave
our bodies with more ease. But that's a cultural issue
in the Western world that's challenging for us, and certainly
it's challenging the Western medicine because we do horribalize dying

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and death in the Western medicine for the most.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I have several friends who are death doulas, who work
together with patients and hospice situations and give so much
love and so much understanding, not only to those who
are about to depart, but to their families who are
standing by. And I think it's a wonderful gift.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's beautiful. We need more of that.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Absolutely. My guest is doctor Patricia Musom. Her book is
called Beyond Medicine, a Physician's revolutionary prescription for achieving absolute
health and finding inner peace. Doctor Trish, please share with
our listeners where they can get your book and find
out more about you and your work.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yes, you can get my book everywhere books are sold.
It's on Amazon, it's on Barnes and Noble, it's on
independent bookstores, set my publisher's New World Library. If you
get it this month in November, it's the birthday month
of my book. They're offering a discount of the coupon
code is beyond med Beyond Med and you can learn

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more about me and my work at Transformationalmedicine dot org,
Transformationalmedicine dot o RG and.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
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Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week, doctor patriciamusom
her book Beyond Medicine, a Physician's Revolutionary prisons Scription for
achieving Absolute Health and finding inner peace. Doctor Trish, on
consciousness and the power of our minds on our minds
as medicine, you offer us a chapter on consciousness research, parapsychology,

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research on phenomenons such as near death experiences, past lives,
and more. Why did you include all of this in
your book?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Oh, this is actually the favorite, favorite part of my book.
It's maybe more esoteric for some. In this section of
the book, I invite readers to travel with me to
a place I call what I referred to earlier as
the unseen world, a world beyond our logical thinking brains,

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a world beyond our five senses, a world where we
don't necessarily begin at birth and end at death, and
where our minds can go places our bodies can't, places
we've never imagined. And I do this because I want
to offer up readers who may wrestle with disbelief that

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believing in this unseen world can help us to make
this seemingly magical and miraculous come true. As I said earlier,
you know, healing of even diseases that Western medicine deems
incurable is absolutely possible. But if we don't believe it's possible,
that belief can make it impossible. So I offer up

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stories and the science of those stories as avenues for
expanding our beliefs, for traveling beyond how many of us
are taught to think about space and time, and beyond
how we convention, conventionally or ordinarily perceives ourselves in the

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world around us. So if we can be open to
these magical experiences that I offer, these miraculous phenomena, believing
them can open us up to navigating those possibilities for
ourselves in our own lives.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
You have a chapter titled Miracles Are the Natural Order
of Things describing your personal experiences with healers, mystics, and
others with apparently miraculous abilities. Why did you offer your
readers these details, especially if the central theme is that
our healer lies within.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Now that's a great question. Well, that chapter is the
chapter that follows the one that I just described, a
part of the same section of the book about the
unseen world. And I do share my personal experiences that
I've had with various types of healers and mystics, people
that had or have apparently magical or miraculous abilities. And

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I do that again for the same reason I offer
the stories up with the hope that they can give
readers reason to go beyond any disbeliefs, so they can
go beyond any limiting beliefs they may have about their
health and about their possibilities for healing, about any limiting
beliefs they may have about circumstances and situations in our lives.

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Bearing witness like I did to my father's seemingly miraculous
cure of his aphasia, his inability to put the words together,
bearing witness to what appears magical and miraculous can help
us to be open to experiencing the magical and the
miraculous for ourselves. It can help us dissolve those disbeliefs

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and take our fears away, and even offer us hope,
offer us hope, and offer us peace of mind. They're
very expansive experiences, and they certainly were for me when
I first met the various people that I talk about
in that chapter.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I'll share a personal experience with you. I've had the
gift of an inner voice, a guide, a spiritual guide,
angelic guide. I don't know what people label these things today,
but whenever I had something that would come up in
my life that required more than I thought. Within myself,
this still soft voice from within would appear and give

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me guidance, and I always trusted that voice. It was
not the shouting voice of ego, but again that still
soft voice. Within nineteen seventy five, I was in the
United States Air Force. I was stationed in Soul, Korea,
and we had a intramural football game with Army guys.
I was Air Force and they were Army, and this
one gentleman the Army didn't know what touch tackle meant,

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and he went headfirst into my lower back, the small
of my back and knocked the wind out of me,
knocked me the floor. And within a couple of days
I started having really, really bad pain in my lower back.
And I was being treated by the medical facility over there,
and a friend of mine said, have you ever tried acupuncture?
And I'd heard of acupuncture, but I'd never experienced it.

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He says, why don't you try acupuncture? And I found
a Korean acupuncturist and I had a treatment, and within
twenty four hours the pain was gone, and I said,
this is a miracle. Unbeknownst to me at the time
in Korea in those days, practitioners of acupuncture did not
necessarily use disposable needles. Their sterilization techniques were not the best.

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Hepatitis B was endemic in Korea for our audience. That
means many people carried the disease without manifesting these signs
of illness. Two weeks after I had the acupuncture, I
woke up one morning not feeling right and I looked
in the mirror and my eyes were turning yellow. And
I went to the base hospital and they looked at

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me and said, you have hepatitis. They immediately admitted me,
and they were treating me differently than they were treating
the other patients in the ward, giving me infusions of
vitamin K, which I didn't understand at the time. Other
things were also going on, and one day the doctor
asked me if I had a will. I said no, why.
He says, well, you're very seriously ill and we want
to protect your family. You need to get a will.

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And they had the Judge Advocate General's office send somebody
over to do a will for me. And one night
I'm laying there, I had lost a lot of weight,
I had no appetite, no desire to eat, and the
voice came and the voice said, ask the doctor for
a picture of something that shows a healthy liver. So
when the doctor came in, I said, do you have

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anything that shows a healthy liver, a photo or something,
And he said why, I said, I just want to
see what it looks like. So he begrudgingly brought me
an anatomy book open to the page with a healthy liver.
And I started studying this picture. And after a few minutes,
the voice said, put the book down and place your
palms over your abdomen. And I did, and I started

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feeling this wonderful warmth and this wonderful tingling sensation. And
I don't know how long it took, but a few minutes.
After a few minutes, I fell asleep. The next morning,
at five am, the nurse woke me. She apologized for
waking me up. She said, I have to take a
blood sample from you. Two hours later she came back.
She said, the laboratory messed up your bloods. We have
to take another draw. An hour later, the doctor came

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in and said, after I gave you the book last night,
what did you do? I told him. He said, you're crazy.
I said what he said, because last night your liver
enzymes were such that we didn't think you'd survive the night.
This morning, they're almost normal. We've never seen anything like
that happened before I had a complete recovery, And in
my official medical records the doctor wrote, quote, the luckiest

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SOB I've ever met in my life. And then after
I got out of the Air Force, a couple of
years later, I heard that there was a laboratory in
Manhattan that was looking for samples of people of blood,
samples of people who had had hepatitis B as they
were trying to develop a vaccine. And I went to
donate a sample and the doctor said, we can't use
your blood, And I said why He said, because there's

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no evidence that you've ever had the disease.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
That's a more marless story.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
That's my miracle story.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Thank you for sharing that, Victor. That is wonderful.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
So on our non Western approaches to health and healing,
you detail the history of the alternative medicine movement in
the United States, and you describe supportive science around many
alternative practices not currently accepted by western medicine. Why haven't
these ideas taken hold in Western medicine yet?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
There are multiple reasons that those ideas have not taken holds,
and they center around the socioeconomics and the culture of
Western medicine. Western medicine is a multidisciplinary system. It became
focused on systems. As I said earlier, there's a cardiologist

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for the heart, a neurologist for the nervous system, psychiatrists
for the thoughts and the emotions. So we're very specialized.
I don't see the whole. We see the trees, not
the forest. And similarly, in the scientific disciplines, there is
very little communication between the disciplines of basic science such

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as biochemistry and biophysics and molecular biology and clinical medicine.
And I talk specifically in that chapter about, for example,
acupuncture and homeopathy. Homeopathy is a practice that is quite
different in theory to the practice that I was trained

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in in allopathy. Although I have been trained in homeopathy.
There is a tremendous influence of the socioeconomics of pharmaceuticals
and our culture. Homiopathy involves remedies that cannot be patented.
They cannot make money for the pharmaceutical companies. It also

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works according to principles that are foreign to the principles
of allopathy. However, there has been a tremendous body of
great research. I'm not biased. I'm actually stating this as
a fact, even though it may sell that I'm biased.
Great research by physicists, by engineers, by molecular biologists on

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what's called low dose phenomena homeopathy involves highly dilute substances.
This research supports the veracity of this practice. But however,
because I explain how scientific disciplines don't communicate with one another,
that research never trickles down into the medical community. Physicians
don't read the clinical journals and the basic science research

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journals of other disciplines. So it has to do with
the socioeconomics of the system. It has to do with
the nature of the let's say, the educational system itself,
and how the knowledge systems work very independent, leave one
another and don't communicate with one another. So politics and

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economics and the structure of let's say the pistemology of
our traditions, and the mainstream media does not communicate any
of that because it doesn't receive information from the scientific
media that discuss those issues. Yeah, so there's a tremendous

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bias and physicians aren't educated in disciplines outside their own
biomedical model and system.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Your book is a do it yourself guide with exercise
tools and resources for exploring the teachings in each chapter.
What are the five absolute health tools?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
The five absolute health tools are those mind body medicine
tools I mentioned. Breathing, mindfulness and meditation is the second one.
Journaling is the third one. Mirror work the Louise Hey
develop technique and mind body sensing, and those are tools

(36:15):
that can help us cultivate that place of absolute health,
that place of inner peace, that place we need to
be for the body to heal and for us to
have clarity inspiration. And I'm sure Victor, when you have
that remarkable experience with the hepatitis and the healing, you

(36:37):
were in a place of rest when you heard that
inner voice, when you heard that inner guide telling you
to look at a picture of a healthy liver, You
had inspiration coming from some sort of unseen place, some
unseen reality. But it's that place we need to be,
where where we can heal and where we can receive inspiration,

(36:59):
and and those tools, those fives out absolute health tools,
can help us get there.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
You explain how each one of these five tools has
been shown by solid science to change our brains, change
our bodies, improve our moods, and improve health outcomes.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Tell us a little more, Ah, that's a big question.
Let me see where to start. Well, I mentioned earlier,
breathing has been shown to instantaneously calm the nervous system.
Breathing turns on the parasympathetic nervous system, the system for rest,
digest and healing. Mindfulness and meditation. There's been a lot

(37:37):
of research on brain imaging studies showing the effect in
the brain of meditation and mindfulness practices. For example, there's
a part of a brain called the amygdala, which is
like the thermostat of our emotions. It registers the temperature
of our emotions. And there's a part of a brain
called the prefrontal cortex. That's the part of the brain.

(38:00):
Forgive me for those of you who aren't so into
the science. I love explaining the science because so many
of these practices are often thought to be really kind
of oh soft practices, but there's hard science supporting their veracity.
So brain imaging studies have shown that through the practices
of meditation and other being here now practices like mindfulness

(38:25):
the relationship between the part of the brain, the amigdala
that registers and reacts to our feelings and their prefrontal cortex,
the part of our brain that can huh, step back
and well, yeah, I noticed I was feeling angry or
anxious or scared. But you know what, I don't need
to I don't need to react to that. I don't

(38:47):
need to be that. That's just something that I'm experiencing.
But I can watch it as it's as if it's
a movie on a screen in front of me. So
imaging studies of the brain have shown that meditation actually
changed the wiring between that emotional thermostat, the amigdala and
that bearing witness part of our brain, the prefrontal cortex.

(39:08):
So that's pretty cool. And similar research has shown that
the effects of journaling change the brain, change our bodies physiology,
lower our vigilance measures like lower the blood pressure, lower
the heart rate, turn on the feel good rest and
relaxed system, and the same with somatic experiencing and mirror work.

(39:33):
They've all been shown through science to cultivate that nervous
system of rest and relaxation and healing.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I found that when I bring through poetry. I've been
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that when I bring through poetry, when I'm done, I
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Speaker 2 (39:53):
Hmm, that's marvelous. And when you write the poetry is
it does it just kind of flow from your hands
to the keyboard of your pen to paper when you're writing.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yes, I call it inspired poetry. It comes through me.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's lovely.

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Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week, doctor Patricia
mewsom her book Beyond Medicine, A Physician's Revolutionary Prescription for
achieving Absolute health and finding inner peace, Doctor Trisha, what
are the four primary medicines?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
The four primary medicines are food, what we take in
physically and that includes beverages, lifestyle, how we go about
our day. That's the second one. The third is relationships
and community, how we can connect and whom we connect with.
And the fourth primary medicine is purpose. What moves us,

(45:07):
what gets us up in the morning, and what me
keep us up past our bedtime. It's literally our reason
for living, our vital force.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
I understand the other ones talk about food. Can't vote
food be something not a medicine.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I'm sorry, tell me that the abuse of food someone
who over eats or someone who eats foods that are
not healthy.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Oh sure, sure. What I mean when I say food
is medicine is food is our optimal medicine when we
can cultivate food according to our best needs. And in
my work, I do what's called constitutional constitutional nutrition. That's
an individualized approach that is rooted in the global tradition

(46:00):
of Chinese medicine and aria Veda. We're each and every
one of us has unique nutritional needs according to our
unique constitution. So yes, you know if we're not eating
in ways that are supportive for us food, that food
may not be medicine for us. But when I talk
about and write about it, and we're with people on
food is medicine, I help them cultivate and approach to

(46:23):
food and eating choices and eating habits that allow them
to cultivate food as their best medicine.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Okay, now I understand you had alluded to this before
when we were talking about the doctors giving enough time
to truly listen to those who come to them. Let's
understand a bit of the politics and economics of it all.
And why do you include all this the politics and
economics in your book.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I talk about that, and that's in this section that
we talked about a little bit earlier, when we talked
about alternate of medicine practices that are often marginalized and
they're even called alternative because they're not accepted by the
mainstream Western medical culture. But the politics and economics creates

(47:15):
that paradigm where we treat the disease, the symptom, the
illness the person has, not the person who has the disease,
symptom or illness. And that reminds me of something that
Hippocrates said he's considered the founding or one of the
founding fathers of Western medicine. He said, it is more

(47:37):
important to treat the person who has that disease, more
important to know the person that has that disease than
to know the disease that person has. And indeed, when
we can truly hear, when we can truly listen, we
can come to know the person that has whatever that

(47:59):
condition is that they're coming to us with. And that's
why I spend a lot of time with the people
with whom I partner, and I like to call it
a partnership, to know who they are, in their lives,
where they've been in their lives, what's important to them,
what's challenging to them, what are their passions, what are
their struggles, what are their hopes, what are their traumas,

(48:22):
what are their life circumstances, Because whatever's going on their
body is completely linked, connected, linked, and costly related. A
lot of repetitive words there to who they are. So
getting to know the person is essential and we can't
do that when we're allotted fifteen minute time slots to

(48:49):
see a quote patient. And that is the politics and
economics of healthcare, because healthcare reimbursement is for most people
involves insurance companies, and they reimburse for certain procedures and
certain types of visits, and those procedures and visits are
based on time. And the more people you can see,

(49:12):
the more the insurance company can be built. And that's
the unfortunate reality of it. We live in the of
all the developed nations, we live in the sickest developed
nation in the world and the one that is the
costliest in terms of healthcare. And what's hopeful, what we

(49:37):
can think about that's hopeful is that, really we have
so many powers within ourselves to heal. We talked about
the four primary medicines. Those are medicines we can cultivate
completely on our own without the need for a practitioner.
Sometimes we do need practitioners and healing practices. But we

(50:00):
certainly have a disease care system that focuses on the disease,
not a health care system that focuses on the health
or the wellness.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I've known people who define themselves by their illness.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yes, I have too.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
What does that do when they do that?

Speaker 2 (50:18):
It keeps them sick?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah? M hm, yeah, absolutely, You're a physician, and a
physician's primary role is in supporting health. But your book
isn't really just about health. It's offering readers a way
to navigate life with ease and a way home to
inner peace. Why did you choose.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
That well, because health is just one aspect of our humanness.
The health of our physical body, the health and wellbeing
of our emotional state, and the whole experience of being
human doesn't involve just our physical bodies and our emotional state.
But our experiences of life are navigating of life, and

(51:02):
health is a reflection of our navigation through life. So
I offer tools that are not only relevant to addressing
if something that may be going on health wise, whether
it's emotional or physical, the tools are navigating whatever we're
experiencing in life. These tools I offer for healing are

(51:23):
tools that we can use for navigating challenges and relationships,
challenges and finances, challenges in the workplace, challenges or confusion
in our life path, or challenges with navigating the experience
of being human. So it's all connected.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
What would you hope that readers receive from your book?
What's the take home message?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Several take home messages The first is that inner piece
is your essential nature and that the path there is
effortless and simple. Another message is that healing of any

(52:15):
condition is absolutely possible, irrespective of what Western medicine tells
us about that condition, and that healing involves letting go
and surrendering and what I call healing from the inside out.
It necessitates a healing internally and emotional healing from the

(52:36):
inside out of those mind body connections, those thought emotions
that are linked to that condition, if it's a physical condition.
I'd also like people to understand that we're all going
to leave our bodies. We're all going to die, some
of us quickly, some of us slowly. That it's a

(52:57):
fact of life. And if we can embrace this and
learn to be fearless around it, and I actually offer
tools for dealing with a navigating fear that we can
we can live with ease, and we can leave with ease,
and we can experience life with more joy and less worry.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I like that. Live with these and leave with these.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I love that, and I've been there, and I'm navigating
life myself, so I continue to practice what I preach.
Some days I'm better than others in terms of navigating
my experience of being in a body and navigating my
experience of being a human, navigating this lifetime, this particular lifetime.

(53:48):
But I can share with you that when I'm able
to use these tools, I've come to a place that
is just peaceful and free and lovely. And again, that
is our essential nature. And some of us may have
never known that that we can feel a place of

(54:10):
peace and ease.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Absolutely tell us about the organization you founded, Transformational Medicine.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Transformational Medicine is the organization that I founded that describes
the type of work I do. It's it's an approach
to healing that allows us to consider complete transformation from

(54:40):
illness to disease, free to cure, complete transformation from suffering
to peace. It's a whole person approach to health, to
navigating health into navigating life. And I offer health consultations,
offer what I call mind body healing sessions. I offer

(55:04):
writings as we're talking about, and I offer communities of
support both in person and online. So it embodies the
essence of my work that we can transform our lives
from illness to well being, from suffering to ease.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Beautiful, the wisdom and experience of doctor Patricia Musom her
book Beyond Medicine, A Physician's revolutionary prescription for achieving absolute
health and finding inner peace. Doctor Trish, one more time,
please share with our listeners where they can get your
book and find out more about everything you do.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
You can get my book everywhere. Books are sold on Amazon,
at Barnes and Noble independent bookstores, at my publisher's website,
New Worldlibrary dot com. You can learn more about my
work and me, and you can even connect with me
is at my website Transformational Medicine dot org. Transformational Medicine

(56:07):
dot org.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Doctor Trish, thank you so much for joining us and
sharing your experience and your wisdom and your big heart.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Thank you, Victor for having me. It was lovely chatting, and.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor
the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.

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