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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody. This is Marlene with Eerie News. And here
we are right smack in the middle of summer, and
I've got some great stories for you, so fantastic stories
old and you well, I mean old, I mean happened
a while back. But it's incredible how some times you
see a repetition of human behavior, just weird stuff, even
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though it was one hundred years before. But anyway, first
story today is that a stranger than fiction stories and
is titled too Young to Kill. Carl Newton Mahan, six
coorreled with his friend roy Cecil Van who's seven or
a piece of scrap metal they planned to sell for
a little money. Cecil took it and hit the younger
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boy in the face. Carl went home, took his father's
twelve gage shotgun and returned to where the other boy was.
He then named it at Cecil's chest and pulled the trigger.
This is May nineteen twenty nine. It's a spring day
in Paintsville, Kentucky, and Martha May Fitzpatrick overheard two boys
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quarreling over a piece of scrap iron from the back
door of her house. Carl Mahan found it. However, his
friend Cecil took it from him. Carl said that if
he didn't return the piece of iron, he would kill him.
She didn't pay attention, believing it was just two boys squabbling.
Five minutes later, she heard the report of a gun.
Once outside, she overtook Roy, who was known more by
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his middle name of Cecil, as he was running from
the yard. She helped to put him into an automobile,
which sped to the hospital. He died on the examining table.
It was noted on Roy's bird death certificate that he
had nineteen shots into his breast and that he lived
ten minutes after being shot. The defense demanded a jury trial,
fearing the judge planned to send Karl Mahan to reform school.
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The verdict of manslaughter was returned by the jury after
thirty minutes of deliberation. Judge John John W. Butcher sentenced
Carl to fifteen years at a reform school in Greendale, Kentucky.
He would be released when he was twenty one years old.
Carl Mahan was released to his parents on five hundred
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dollars bail, and not only the defense attorney, but the
public cried out for an appeal. There were others that
thought this sentence was not enough. A circuit court judge
issued a writ of prohibition that set aside the conviction
and prevented the boy from being sent to reform school.
This was based on a law that in junele cases,
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a county judge would preside. Carl's story ran in newspapers
across the country. The case finally landed in the Kentucky
Attorney's General's lap a month after the trial. Car was
left to his parents after the age, He announced his
review was complete and he took no action. In October
nineteen twenty nine, the family moved from Louisville to Lexington, Kentucky.
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No doubt this was spurred by the notoriety of the case.
Heartbreak once again visited the Mahan family in May nineteen
forty two, when Karl's younger brother, James or Jimmy Mahan
as he was known, drowned in Breslin Pond, which was
in Louisville, Kentucky. He was only sixty years old and
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an experienced swimmer when he sank into the water ten
feet from shore. Karl Mahan's parents were destined to outlive
all of their sons. Prior to Jimmy's death in nineteen
twenty one, they lost John Mahan Junior, who was still born.
Carl married Roxy Ozell Cherrelle in nineteen forty eight. However,
he committed suicide by shooting himself on the head on
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April twenty fourth, nineteen fifty eight. He was thirty seven
years old. His paternal grandmother, Roxy died in October the
same year. His father died in nineteen sixty three, and
his mother in nineteen eighty. His wife, Roxy passed away
in nineteen ninety nine. What could cause a child to
fight so bitterly over a piece of metal? Was poverty
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to blame or conversations he overheard in his family? What
do you think? Was it? Un um? Okay? Because this
is the timing on this, This is this is still
a few months away from the Great Depression. You know,
the big stock market crash was in October, so this
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was a few months before. But you don't know was
their poverty absolute poverty that makes this? You know, this
little boy, he's six years old, he's maybe listening to
conversations between his parents, like a very difficult The reason
as to why he would fight so bitterly over a
piece of scrap iron, which by the way he found
but the other kid took it away from him to
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the point that he would go and get a rifle
or a shotgun. And by the way, they were friends.
These two kids were friends. Shoot him, all right? What
made Carl, I mean, or Cecil take this piece of
iron from Carl, which was his friend. Again, obviously, I
don't think this child understood the consequences of his actions.
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And obviously this must have hung over him for his
entire life, because he took his life back in nineteen
fifty eight when he was in his late thirties, he
was married. And obviously this family was tragic because this couple,
they outlived their three sons. They outlived them all. So
I don't know, makes you wonder, you know where was
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it desperation or just the lack of understanding when you
read these stories about too young to kill? But anyway,
let's get onto our next story. And this is also
out of Stranger than Fiction stories, and it's titled Unearthed.
Now these are just little stories. This is from the
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nineteenth century of gruesome and sinister finds. All right. Now,
when I read these to you, there's really little no
explanation as to how it got there or you know
what happened and who it was in some cases and
what happened afterwards. But that tells you that just like
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present day, for all the crimes or murders that we
hear that are solved or victims are identified, even back
then a lot of stuff crimes. These were undiscovered crimes,
by the way, and you'll see what I mean. So
this is like I said, little snippets of stories from
the nineteenth century of gruesome and sinister fines. First story
is out of Albany, New York. It's May of eighteen
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forty five, and workers are cleaning up debris from an
old building at the corner of Dove Street and Washington
Avenue in Albany. Now under the fireplace they found clothes, buttons,
and a human skeleton. The condition of the bones indicated
the burial took place forty to fifty years before, and
the fact it was secreted under the hearth suggests the
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person met their end through foul play and the pasta
house was a resort for the teamsters who frequented that
part of the city prior to the opening of the
Erie Canal Okay again, was it something that a bunch
of people were in on. Was it something that just
one person, let's face it, buttons, clothing, maybe that even
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though normally you would think this would be consumed, but
when you're burying a human skeleton and a fireplace, chances
are something something there was not quite koshure, if you
know what I mean. Okay, next story is out of Paris, France.
It's the date is January of eighteen forty six. Now
houses being demolished on Roue Se Nicoles d'antille in Paris
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and Nicholas d'antille in Paris Now. The street was formed
around seventeen eighty four on a part of a large
sewer located and the first around this month of Paris
Now workers found nine human skeletons. Doctors examined the remains
and concluded the victims have been murdered and HD no
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from fifteen years to fifteen months before. For many years
the establishment was known as a house of ill fame
aka a brothel. The owner was arrested. Again, what do
you think that went? Fifteen? You know sometimes these brothels,
you know, the owners came and went is what I'm saying.
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And then again like how do you even prove who
it was. You know, you could say other person died.
Well yeah, okay, but from the moment that you're burying them.
And again, so much comes to light when they demolish
old houses. Okay. Next story out of March, out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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It's March of eighteen fifty three, and workmen find two
human skeletons in a sink in the cellar of a
house on Market Street. They were covered by a considerable
amount of pig iron. The latest occupants of the house
claimed they didn't know the sink was there, and eighteen
hundred the property was an iron store. But how the
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body's got there as a mystery again, same thing. You know,
whoever put them there is betting by the time if
anybody demolishes this building or does something with it, guess what,
I'll be long gone, I'll be dead or I won't
be around. Good luck. Remember there's no forensics at this time,
there's no DNA that can be compared. And you find
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out who the name of the victim is, and maybe
you trace it to somebody, you know, I forget it.
All they've got is a few bones, charred at best
in some cases. And so the killer or killed. Theers
are betting none, just that by the time if this
is ever discovered, they wonder who it is, and I'll
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be free, okay. Next story June eighteen fifty four, Baltimore, Maryland.
It's an old frame building as being demolished, and the
workers found the human skeleton stowed in between the flooring.
Among the bones were a number of large, old fashioned
brass buttons and small foreign coins. Doctors who examined they
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could give no explanations to the cause of death or
how it ended up there. So there we go again,
same thing. Sometimes, depending on how many bones were left,
the doctors could kind of guess was a man or
a woman, maybe the age. But when you've got little
or no good luck on unless they find let's say,
like a hole in the skull, which you could say
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the person was shot in the head. But as far
as determining cause of death, the person was let's say poisoned.
There's no tissue, no intestines, nothing. So again, my only
question when I read these stories you know about bodies
being stowed away on the floorboards or in the cellar
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or in the earth, is man, didn't that stink? Because
let me tell you something you get. Even a small
animal decomposes and it immediately smells a lot something. How
could an entire human body that decomposes not not alert
everybody hels that Well, here we go, okay. Next story
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is February of eighteen seventy places. Saint Joseph, Missouri now
Saint Joseph, Missouri, was an important city during the nineteenth century,
serving as a jumping off point for westward travelers and
the starting point of the Pony Express. On the night
of January twenty second, eighteen seventy, an invitation went out
through the Vice Grapevine of Saint Joseph of an occasional
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dance held by the prostitutes of the city. These parties
were attended not only by a rough crowd, but by
some who held respectable positions in society. The location was
a row of brick buildings known as the Rosebud Block,
situated on Second in Antoine Streets near Black Snake Bridge.
This was the site of the Black Snake Hills Trading Post,
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established by Joseph Indian Joe Robido in eighteen twenty six,
which later became part of the city of Saint Joseph.
Some of the local newspapers tried to diminish the notorious
reputation of the building by describing it as business houses,
when in truth the Eureka Saloon and billiard Hall, along
with a brothel run by Kate Thornton, could be found there.
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By midnight, the partygoers had disappeared to quieter entertainments. The
pre dawn hours of fire broke out and one of
the upstairs room, William Fowler, one of the oldest citizens son,
I'm sorry, son of one of the oldest citizens in
the city and a brother in law of Honorable Benjamin Loane,
was sleeping. His companion in the room tried to wake
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him up but couldn't. His chart bones were found in
the debris. Firemen responded and seven men from the Rescue
Hook and Ladder Company stood looking down at what was
left a William Fowler Junior. Then a wall next to
them crumbled and married the men underneath it. Blacius Argus,
a tinor, was dragged out, barely clinging to life, and
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died soon after. Frank Hill, Jules Sitcom, Fred Mouse, William
bon Gesser, Julius Guesk, and Arthur Comer were hurt. Wesley
Founce the keeper of the Tremont Saloon, dashed in with
the fireman and was killed instantly by the falling wall.
An inquest was held two days later due to the
death of William Fowler. The general opinion was the fire
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was the work of an arsonist. It started in an
unoccupied building. As a fire grew, most of the men
who were with girls got out of the house. There
were alternate stories as to why Fowler did not leave.
Some said he was under the influence of liquor, and
others said it was laudanum, which he took to steady
his nerves. Others said he was not under the influence
of either. But no one could explain why he didn't
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wake up and leave the house like everyone else did.
Molly Mason the girl he tried to wakem saying the
house was on fire, but he answered her with go
to hell. There was no secret that he frequented the
saloons and brothels in the area. In the cellar of
an adjacent building which was formerly the Old Rosebud, excavations
unearthed strange evidence that had lain there many years. In
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the southwest corner directly under the room used as a
dance hall, the workmen struck a spot of earth with
the earth where the dirt seemed loose and fresh. Found
were boards over a cut stone stairway. It led to
a subterranean cavern, out of which a bad stench poured out. Finally,
a man named Sylvester Klimmer took a candle and started down, saying, quote,
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he would find out what was in the damn hole
if he died for it end quote. He found a long,
damp cave about eight feet wide, arched over with rudely
place stones which seemed ready to fall out. Strewn on
the dark stones of the floor were numerous skeletons, all
of them without any flesh. Among the bones a rotten
box which turned out to be what was left of
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a store bought coffin with the name of Gunter on
the top. Inside was discovered the bones of a human
being in such a position that it was evident the
body had been bent and crushed into it. In another corner,
about three feet below, loose bones were found on the ground.
There was no wood, leading to belief the body was
placed there without a coffin. Further examination proved they were human.
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One seemed to be the wristbone of a man or
woman nearly grown, and the other the thigh bone of
a child. The conclusion was these bones provided proof of
foul play, because why would anyone be buried without a
shroud or coffin. But since the bones were evidently buried
there many years before, any hope of identifying them or
who left the remains there was abandoned. Was there any
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investigation of these crimes when they occurred, that any question
of a man, woman or child had been murdered, especially
after they disappeared. Possibly not, since the remains were secreted.
To the law of those days, no body, no crime.
It's unknown that the Rosebud opened its doors elsewhere and
continued with they're well attended dances. By the way, when
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you read this story, you could tell that all the
newspapers massaged it, and really this pivoted because it was
very sad that the fireman got killed. But really this
story gained as much attention as it did because of
the death of William Fowler Junior. He came from a
very wealthy, well known family. His brother in law was
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well placed, okay, and since he died, they wanted an inquest.
And of course why didn't leave, and blah blah. But
you could tell that a lot of the newspapers were
trying to make the Rosebud look just like a building's
office equivalent of office buildings or business buildings. Only a
few went like straight to it, like, no, this place,
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these rows of I guess their buildings or apartments or
this this is a place where there's a brothel and
saloons and billiard halls and the various stuff takes place.
And everything was in other words, this whole whether it
was arson or not, or whatever came of it, it
got the attention it did and an inquest. And that's
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why they did the excavation underneath it, strictly because William
Fowler Junior died in the fire, because of course it
seemed he was hooked on liquor and or laudanum and
he just fell asleep and wouldn't wake up to leave.
So and of course what's really funny is it of
all the men that probably left, like they say, these
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dances were attended not only by the rough crowd, by
respectable citizens. You better believe they left. And you know,
there's no mention of anybody that escaped from the fire.
And mister so and so, No, no, strictly about William Fowler.
Now do you think if this guy wouldn't have died
in the fire, there would have been any reporting on it.
But I'm sure that that rosebud it opened once again
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somewhere in there, close by, you know, not far away. Okay,
next story. It's also out of Stranger than fiction stories,
and this is titled the Clifton Woods Monster. In eighteen
ninety five, the residents of Clifton Park, Staten Island were
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reported as living in deadly fear wild animal roaming on
the Levit property two hundred feet from the Vanderbilt gold
Fish Pond. It bellowed all night so loud and off
let everyone within a mile stayed away and shivering in
their bedroom until dawn. Three hundred persons gathered one night
with bicycle latins, lanterns and guns to find out what
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was making the cries. They didn't find anything. The police
were called out. The pond already had the reputation of
being haunted and they were asked to dredge it. There
was talk of calling the fire department and draining the pond.
Mister Cowweiser, who lived on Center Street, went to the
police to complain that a line was loose in the
area and its loud growls didn't allow him to sleep.
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He offered a reward of one hundred dollars for its capture.
Only one policeman was sent to the area, and he
reported The majority of residents agreed that a marine monster
dwelt in the swamp. Somebody thought it was a monster bullfrog.
Sailors pegged it as an alligator or a sea serpent.
Jack Holton, who was known as a truthful resident, said
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that it was a banshee. With the enticementnother reward. Several
assembled around the swamp every evening. They brought nets and
game bags, but all they heard was alloud hooting. Some
climbed trees, and others threw their lines into the swamp
or waited in rubber boots through the murky water. Nothing
was found. Jimmy Arnold, the engineer of the ferryboat Northfield,
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told the reporter of the following story quote, the noise
came from somewhere back of the Clifton Park roads. My
first impression was that it was made by an alligator
that had been put in the swamp and had an
out grown himself and feeding lonesome. Stuck his head out
of the mud every night and barked. When next I
heard it, it sounded like the scream of a dying baby,
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and I felt superstitious. There were hundreds of people around
the swamp last night waiting for the thing to cry.
I never knew of so much excitement on Staten Island before.
At Clifton, the people can't sleep. They are thoroughly alarmed,
un believing that the end of the world is coming.
They had three policemen at the swamp last night. At
ten o'clock. The thing suddenly let out a yell and
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the policeman ran and haven't been seen since. They had
expected to get the reward of one hundred dollars end quote.
The reporter went to the swamp and a number of
white face Cliftonians stood around with lanterns. A man holding
a hayrake told them quote it's all very well for
you to make fun, but if you had the devil
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living in a horsepont in your backyard and howling like
a hyaena every night just to depreciate property, you wouldn't
take it so lightly. End quote. Uless, you think this
was a group of superstitious people that were spooked by
an now There had been other reports of a strange
creature on Staten Island. In December nineteen seventy four, Frank
Pizzolato and Philip Vivolo were in the woods when they
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saw what they thought was an upright bear that roared
at them. They described it as standing at around six
feet in height and was covered in dark hair. A
month later, Missus Day, another resident of Richmond Town, Staten Island,
was driving late at night and had to break to
avoid a bigfoot crossing the road in the area from
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the church car park and heading for the rubbish dump
and swamp behind the church. She said it measured about
six feet in height. The same month, our young couple
saw a bigfoot in the church parking lot early in
the morning. For those who questioned why physical proof of
bigfoot has not been provided, it wasn't until nineteen fifty
seven that Canadian bison, which had been declared extinct in
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nineteen forty were found once again. It was a heard
of two hundred that were genetically undiluted. These animals are
cousins to the American buffalo, but a distinct species. They
were found at a remote part of Alberta, Canada, during
an air patrol only fifty miles from one hundred year
old station. In reference to the goldfish pond mentioned the
story from eighteen ninety five. Cornelius Vanderbilt, patriarch of the
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Vanderbilt family, was born in Port Richmond, Staten Island, on
My twenty seven, seventeen ninety four. Several family members had
homes built on Staten Island throughout the years. Staten Island
present day has a green belt of twenty eight hundred
acres of forest. During the nineteen seventies it was even
more undeveloped, and it is described by the witnesses there
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there was a parking lot across the street from the
church with a swamp and dumped close by. Another place
on Staten Island with its own strange history is the
Kreischer Mansion. So the question remains what was the creature
the residents heard during those nights in eighteen ninety five.
It was loud enough to be heard far and wide
in the general area, and the fear it sparked proved
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this was not the usual wildlife that inhabited this part
of Staten Island. Was this the same creature that was
seen in nineteen seventy four. What do you think when
you have so many people wigged out even that they
can hear it inside their houses. Unusual, huh. And it's
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adjacent to a swamp. Maybe, just if you want to
go with the theory of it being a bigfoot, that
it went back as like I'm out of here. But
it's curious that one hundred years later other people say, well,
it looks sounds like a bigfoot in that same general
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area of the swamp. And I guess the dump And
you know, you always have to think, I don't know
what kind of dump it was, but you always think
was their food, you know, or the smell you know.
And sometimes, like all animals, you get an an animal
that's either sick or hurt or old, just can't hunt
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the way normally would with to catch the normal prey would.
Sometimes that's what they do, the show up at places
where there's easy food, like a dump. I don't know,
at least that's my theory. All right, let's go off
to the next story. This is out of Anomalian. It
is titled Knights Templar leader claims Jesus's bone or hidden
in US vaults. All right, let's see. Timothy W. Hogan,
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Grandmaster of the Order, made these claims on the Danny
Jones podcast, ledging the templars smuggled the relics from Jerusalem
to protect them from the Vatican. Hogan said the remains
were originally found in the Talpiot Tomb in East Jerusalem,
discovered in nineteen eighty. Archaeologists uncovered oustuaries, including one inscribed
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Jeshua bar Jejoseph or Jesus son of Joseph. Hogan claims
the templars move the bones to prevent the Vatican and
from suppressing them. When the tomb was originally discovered with
austuaries labeled with the names Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and John
the Baptists, it was understood that if the remains were
turned over to the Vatican, they would vanished. He said
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the Church would have buried the story because it contradicts
their doctrine. The Knight's Templar of Medieval Order, disbanded in
thirteen twelve, were often tied to conspiracy theories. Hogan insists
DNA testing could soon verify the remains, matching bone fragments
from the tomb with historical records. This isn't something we're
trying to heide, He said, We've just been trying to
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protect it. Hogan says there were originally seven vaults, not
consolidating to two in the American Northwest. Inside them are
the six arcs we acquired, as well as several different
auschuaries containing the bones believed to belong to Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John,
the Baptists, and their children, he claimed. He also mentioned
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a templar vault in Istanbul under the Turkish Antiquity's care.
The Vatican allegedly knows about the vaults, but not their
US locations. Hogan warned that if the relics received, they
would disappear, as they contradict the doctrine of Jesus' physical resurrection.
If these had been turned over to the Pope, they
would have been made to vanish, he insisted. Hogan admits
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no DNA tests have been done yet, but says the
ODER plans to conduct them. Certain fragments recently recovered from
the Talpiot tomb could be used to make a match,
he said. He also presented controversial claims about Jesus's family,
saying Mary Magdalene first married John the Baptist, then Jesus,
and they had children. Mainstream scholars reject these ideas, citing
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no historical or genetic evidence. Okay, see, I had never
heard that Mary Magdalene was first married to John the Baptist.
That's a new one. I'd not heard of that. Now.
You know what, at this point, i'd like to see
if you if you've got proof as a genetic I'd
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like to see that. And you know what, I wish
I could say the Vatican would never do something like
suppress or kidnap evidence. But unfortunately, yeah, it's there. I mean,
the first question is, of course do they have this
to begin with? Period, let's stop full stop right there.
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But as in the supposed reason, why, yes, I could
see why if that was the truth, why, whether it's
the templars or anything, especially the templars. Let's face that
the templars got spanked and that's a nice word for
it by the you know, the Catholic Church. But regardless
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of where you think they're what they were doing as
far as within his historical perspective. But yeah, uh, you know,
it's like, okay, let's see what you got, especially nowadays
with DNA, but anyway makes for an interesting story. Next one.
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This is out of Side Tech Daily and its titled
killer whales are giving fish to humans Worldwide? Or What's
going on From California to New Zealand. Thirty four documented
incidents reveal orcas bringing fish, rays, and squid to people
in the water, on boats, and even on shore. Scientists
say this behavior, usually seen between whales as a bonding act,
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may show surprising willingness to connect with humans. In some cases,
the whales even tried more than once after being turned
down as a waiting for a response. What drives this
mysterious generosity. Researchers think it can be cultural, playful or
a sign of something much deeper. Or a span of
twenty years, scientists from Canada, New Zealand, and Mexico documented
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thirty four surprising encounters in which wild orcas appeared to
offer food to humans. These remarkable interactions happened across the globe,
from the waters of California and New Zealand to Norway
and Patagonia. Orcas often share food with each other. It's
a pro social activity and a way that they build
relationships with each other, said study lead author Jared Towers
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of Bay Cetology in British Columbia, Canada, that they also
shared with humans may show their interests in relating to
us as well. The research was published in the Journal
of Comparative Psychology. The study published in the Journal of
Comparative Psychology brings together firsthand observations from researchers Jared Towers,
Ingrid Visser, PhD from the Orca Research Trusts, New Zealand,
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and Vanessa Prigolini from the Marine Educational Association in Mexico.
They analyzed each case carefully, whether it came from their
own experiences or from reports by others. In eleven of
the encounters, the people were in the water, In twenty
one cases they were on boats, in two they were
adding on the shore. Some of these moments were captured
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in photos and videos, while others were shared through detailed interviews.
To be included in the analysis, the incidents had to
meet strict criteria. In each case, the whales had to
have approached the people on their own. The people could
not have approached the whales closely and dropped the item
in front of them, and all but one of the
cases the orcas waited to see what would happen after
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they made the offering, and in seven cases, they tried
more than once to offer the food after the people
initially refused it. Domesticated animals such as dogs and cats,
sometimes offer food to humans, but this research marks some
of the first detailed descriptions of similar behavior and non
domesticated animals. It makes sense, according to the researchers, because
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orcas are intelligent and social animals that use food sharing
as a way to build relationships with kin and unrelated individuals.
They also often hunt pray much larger than themselves and
thus sometimes have food to spare. Offering items to humans
could simultaneously include opportunities for killer whales to practice learned
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cultural behavior, explore play, and in doing learn about, manipulate,
or develop relationships with us, The researchers wrote, giving the
advanced cognitive abilities and social cooperative nature of the species,
we assume that any or all of these explanations for
and outcomes of such behavior are possible. That's very interesting.
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A few months ago, they uh they were citing how
these orcas were ramming some boats out on the Mediterranean.
You know what, I think that's very sweet. You know
if that's what they're doing. But as Fay said, they're
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not named killer whales for nothing. When you can call
them ORCA can call them whatever. But at the end
of the day, their killer they're predators. They're they're carnivorous whales,
their carnivorous mammals. So I don't know. Oh, but that'd
be very interesting to look at the actual cases that
they used to complete this study individually. Am so I'm
sure it's probably time consuming, but yeah, I'm sorry. I've
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always been very careful of predators that I could very easily,
you know, be lunch for them. I mean, I I
don't think of killing them, but I'd be like if
I see it, And I'm curious to see when they
say offering food, like what did they offer? Like did
they bring something obviously in their mouth but they just
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drop it, spit it out. I don't know. See, I
wish I'd gone into more detail on that. So anyway, guys,
I will soon be back with more interesting news from
the world of the eerie shall we call it that?
But until next time, take care, see you soon.