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Hi, everybody. This is Marlene with the Eering News and
today they among other news stories, we're going to talk
about recent story having to do with Annabelle, the possessed doll,
and the death of the caretaker of the doll while
he was touring with her, right. And that's very interesting
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because of course in the paranormal world, there's a lot
of going back and forth about it. But I don't
know did annabel have anything to do with it. We'll
find out kind of anyway. But first to our first story,
which is out of Stranger than Fiction stories, and this
is titled The Forgotten Sailors. Cemetery along the coast of
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Staten Island is a Semen's retreat cemetery. It received a
debt from the Semen's Retreat, which took and sick and
disabled seamens starting in October eighteen thirty one. Ever, fifty
years afterward, over three thousand souls were buried on the land.
It was obliterated in the nineteen sixties and for all
intents and purposes, no longer exists, except for some of
the stories of the men laid to rest there. In
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eighteen eighty two, the Marine Society bought the property. However,
the Seamen's Retreat continued to exist as a medical establishment
until nineteen eighty one, and despite being a historical landmark,
has been vandalized, as are so many abandoned sites. In
eighteen thirty three, two years after the Semen's Retreat was opened,
Snug Harbor opened as a retirement home for merchant seamen. However,
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those who died at Snug Harbor were buried in their
own cemetery, which was known as Monkey Hill, which I'm
sure was not the official name, but then who knows.
It was used for burials from eighteen thirty three to
nineteen seventy five and received over seven thousand mariners. During
the nineteen eighties, the original gravestones were moved due to vandalism,
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and like the Siemen's Retreat cemetery, it is overgrown and neglected.
Review of the cemetery records of the semen Retreat finds
that many of the men buried there were in their twenties.
Most died from disease, especially tuberculosis, some from accidents and fractures,
and others one could say were murdered. In March eighteen
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sixty nine, the Seaman's Retreat took in two men off
the James Foster Junior, called a Feveris ship by the newspapers.
Alfred Robinson and Thomas Peterson died soon after admittance and
what appeared to be a case of ill treatment on
board the ship. They were described as having left Liverpool
strong and hardy, and were received so emaciated their skins
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were shriveled up like parchment. Their condition was complicated by typhus,
fever and scurvy. At an inquest held into the sailor's
death that was decided the decease came to their death
by brutal and inhuman treatment made upon them by the
ship's carpenter, the boatswain and third mate Murphy. A third sailor,
James Mooney, who died soon after arriving from the ship,
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was found to have been brutalized as well. Doctor Moffatt,
who did the post warnum examination on Mooney, found quote,
the structure of the kidney's very much disease, which would
not have occurred had not deceased been in a very
impoverished condition produced by hardship and insufficiency of suitable food.
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Doctor Feenie House, physician of the seamen's retreat testified that
Mooney had told him that he had often been beaten
by the third mate Murphy. Doctor Feenie said he believed
that Mooney's immediate cause of death was paranchemitis and ephritis
of the kidneys, and a remote cause via typhus fever.
Not only DoD sailors die during the voyage, but three
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passengers as well. Excuse me. Captain Armstrong of the James
Foster Junior testified that contrary to what the passengers and
crew claimed, no one had been placed on a short
allowance of provisions and what it was dealt out sparingly
after some of the crew had bored holes in the tanks.
Ironically amid the initial inquiry for the mistreatment of the men.
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Captain Armstrong dieded his home in Brooklyn on March sixteenth,
eighteen sixty nine, from typhus fever. He was thirty six
years old. Thomas H. Bryant, a seaman of the James
Foster Junior, testified the following at the inquest quote he
had frequently seen the third mate Murphy, the carpenter and
boatswain beat Mooney unmercifully, and that after he had received
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certain injuries. The doctor made him sit naked on the
chain cables. The doctor was drunk nearly all the time
the latter part of the voyage. Because he could not work.
He was allowed no food, but we sailors used to
give him some on the sly end quote. A case
was opened against James Glynn, the carpenter, William Carruthers, the boatswain,
and Murphy the third made of the James Foster Junior
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for murder on the high Seas. Some of the principal
witnesses had been unable to appear in the DA's offense
since they were confined to their beds with fever at
the Seamen's Retreat. On nineteenth eighteen sixty nine, Reverend Ogle,
the chaplain attached to the Seaman's Retreat, died from typhoid
fever contracted through contact with seamen from the James Foster Junior.
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Mister Webster, steward of the institution, also caught the fever.
Another witness told of seeing several crew killed by mistreatment
of the same men while they were under way. One time,
a sailor named Walsh was sick. He was taken out
of the hospital and scrubbed with ice water, from the
effects of which he died. Shortly after, a seaman named
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John Cooney jumped overboard in a fit of despair, an
no attempt was made to pick him up. Four men
fell from the yard arms since they were unable to
retain their hold on the post through sheer exhaustion. The
ship's doctor appeared to be an alcoholic, was Edward Mohnment.
The verdict of the jury was quote. We find that
Alfred Robinson and James Peterson came to their death by
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brutal and inhuman treatment inflicted upon them by the carpenter,
boatswain and third maid of the whip James Foster Junior
while on her late voyage from Liverpool to this port.
We find also that James Mooney came to his death
from brutal and inhuman treatment inflicted upon him by the carpenter, boatswain,
third mate and the surgeon of the James Foster Junior
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on her late voyage from Liverpool to this port. End
in July eighteen sixty nine, the officers of the James
Foster Junior of the black Ball Line were convicted of
brutal and inhumane treatment of immigrants on board and the crew.
They were sentenced to fifteen years imprisonment for Glynn, seven
years her Corruthers, and five years for Murphy, to be
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served at the King's County Penitentiary. In December of eighteen
sixty nine, it was noted that all the officers, with
the exception of the second mate and the surgeon, Edward Monment,
had died from typhoid fever and did not serve the
sentences imposed on them five months before. The James Foster
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Junior continued to apply its trade as an imigrant transport
ship under the command of another captain until the opening
of the Seamen's Retreat. The seamen's tax funded a quarantine
station that was first located on Bedloe's Island now Liberty Island,
then relocated to Staten Island. The quarantine station on Staten
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Island would be moved onto a four acre man made island,
Swinburne Island, following repeated attacks by angry mobs who feared
potential diseases they believed would be brought by newly arrived
to immigrants. But precipitated the construction of Swinburne Island were
several cholera pandemics that arrived on immigrant ships, such as
the case of the James Foster Junior. In nineteen twenty eight,
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Dick Street was being laid down when a steam shovel
started to unearth what had been forgotten the new Street
Traverse property owned by Jacob Fine, but which had turned
out was once part of the Seamen's Retreat cemetery. Several
coffins were tossed up and crumbled when exposed to the air.
Shin bones were dumped out. Residents remembered that none had
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been buried there for fifty years. How many other aerias
of the cemetery actually existed beyond the recognized perimeter. The
National Institute of Health began as a single room Laboratory
of Hygiene for bacteriological Investigation, established by the Marine Hospital
Service in eighteen eighty seven. From eighteen eighty seven to
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eighteen ninety one, the laboratory was located in the attic
of the Marine Hospital on Staten Island, which had been
the Seamen's Retreat. In nineteen forty, they tested the effects
of penicillin on four American seamen at the Venerial Disease
Research Laboratory, housed in the building The building today houses
mental health services and treatments for chemical dependencies. According to
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the hospital's website, how many men laid to Restlan Cemetery
had stories like those of the James Foster Junior, or
some of them experimented on, or any of them hurried
to an early grave, not by misadventure but by cruelty
and sadism. Wherever the truth lies, it keeps company with
the bones of men long buried and forgotten. And you know,
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most people now remember the original Poultergeist movie. And even
though it's become like a trope. Originally when the movie
came out the end the tada moment, which is when
it comes out that the developer had not removed the
graves and had built this whole area of new homes,
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beautiful homes over graves, and that that supposedly precipitated the haunting.
You know, back then, I was, wow, it was And
you know what, but a lot of people think, oh,
that's just that was a good movie line or storyline.
In reality, this happened more people, more than people think.
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And as you can see here that this in part
is that this cemetery have been around for a long time.
But then Apparently after a while somebody laid down a
mark and said, oh, this is the perimeter, and the
rest was especially is a town grow or they they
see that there's a need or that piece of land
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like and by the way, disentering and re entering that
that that costs money. So you'd be surprised what happened
here that they're in the nineteen twenties. They're digging up
for a new road and oh, look, sailors from the
sailors cemetery, sayers retreat cemetery. That happens a lot where
cemeteries are forgotten and they're even owned by other people.
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And somewhere along the line somebody like looked the other
way and either they said they moved the body, so
they they they know there's nothing there, you know, that's
just a piece of land. In other words, greed is like, hey,
that dead people don't need it anymore. And people sometimes
innocently they don't know that what they got under their feet.
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And of course when you listen to the story that
when you read about what was going on, there was
a lot of concern about these immigrant ships that they
would be coming in with different diseases like the typhus fever, cholera.
That that's why they would quarantine them. But sometimes what
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would happen is, let's say, in this case where they
took these men off the ships because they were dying.
They were dying, and especially when obviously there's stories of
even the surgeon on board of harry them. That's how
the next thing, you know, it would the people there
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on Staten Island were really really not happy about, especially
after they started putting some of the laboratory research thing
over there in what had been the what was the
marine hospital but had been originally the seamen's retreat, and
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with good reason, unfortunately, because that thing would they would
kill then. You see, it even killed the captain of
the ship. He's here denying anything happened, and it is
like you don't have to worry about it because he
got sick and he died, and he died. So there
you go. Now. Our next story, also out of stranger
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than fiction stories, is this is a case of eurroxide.
And you see what eurroxide is in a minute. On
March seventeenth, nineteen oh six, a woman named Johanna Augusta
Knutsen died and was buried, but something was not right,
even though the physicians who attended her said her death
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was due to natural causes and later I want to
make a comment about that. Let's see what I mean.
Newt ole or Ol Knutsen and Johannah Larsen married on
April twenty ninth, eighteen ninety five. This was only a
month before she gave birth to their first child, Gustav Adolph,
on May twenty seventh, eighteen ninety five. Two other babies
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were quick to follow, Anna in eighteen ninety six and
Wilfred in eighteen ninety eight. What went wrong during the
decade long marriage is unknown. Perhaps it wasn't the marriage,
but knot who was the problem, which is why Johanna's sister,
Sarah Weisser, went to the coroner's office with suspicions about
her brother in law. The coroner said her suspicions were groundless,
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but this did not stop Sarah Knutsen had her arrested
for slander, but the story reached the state attorney's office,
who had the body exhumed. The dead woman's stomach contents
were analyzed and found to have enough arsenic to kill
half a dozen persons. Her husband claimed the arsenic found
that his wife's body was from the embalming fluid used
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to preserve her body for burial. In August nineteen oh seven, Nutsen,
who was a wealthy contractor, was charged by the corner's
jury with poisoning his wife. Nutsen said that he was
innocent and everything was trumped up by his sister in
law and her husband, Charles, who were jealous of him.
A judge refused to release Nutsen on bonds of one
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hundred thousand dollars, which was the largest bale offered in
Cook County in years. By September, Nutsen, perhaps and employed
to better his reputation, declared that of hanged for his
wife's murder, he would bequeath his body to experimental scientists
the hopes of destroying the value of circumstantial evidence in
capital cases. He said, quote if they should find that
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the arsenic in the embalming fluid did reach the stomach,
then these medical experts would see wherein they erred. Perhaps
it might cause them remorse. Perhaps they might be honorable
enough to make amends by committing suicide. That is what
they would do, if they viewed their honor as a
Frenchman does. He went on to give another reason why
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he would give his body up. He said, perhaps if
I should be hanged, and the experiments showed that these
men who are supposed to be experts, had ignorantly sworn
my life away, the populace would rise in indignation and
lynch them. If nothing further, it might result in the
impeachment for incompetency of the judges and officials who took
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part in my trials end quote. You're kind of getting
of this flavor that this guy is like a real narcissist. Yep,
I'm a psychopathical with it, but let's continue. It was
not surprising that his array at his arraignment, and he
pled not guilty. The trials started in January nineteen oh seven.
The prosecutors charged that Nutsen, on Norwegian and a resident
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of West Pullman, had killed his wife because quotes she
had become unsightly in his eyes end quote. There were
hints that the prosecution were calling at least two women
who would testify of the relations with Nutsen. One of
them claimed he would give her sums of one hundred
dollars or more and asked her to live in his home.
After the death of his wife. The state also claimed
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that the accused stood by the bedside of his dying
wife as she lay writing from the effects of the
arsenic and mocking her, saying, there is no use to
send for phycision, for you have got to die anyway.
It seemed that Missus Nutsen foresaw what her husband's intentions
were towards her and brought into her home Helen Hesselfeldt
to act as her spy. She allegedly saw him administer
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poison to her, and Missus Hyland or her sister, also
had damning evidence to provide. Missus Knutsen had hired them
as housekeeper since she was sick. In total, forty three
witnesses were called by the state. At the beginning of
the trial. It was known that Knutsen had bought a
life insurance policy for his wife in nineteen oh five,
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worth two thousand dollars. In July nineteen oh six, he
increased it to twenty five thousand dollars. Ethel von Ausenbrugen,
who worked at the home for thirteen days during September
nineteen oh five, said, the last days I was there,
Missus Knutsen became ill. At the time supper table, falling
back on her chair and saying she was sick. Nutson
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and I carried her into the bedroom, but he did
nothing more to relieve her. Nutshen would tell his neighbors
that his wife was not very sick at all. Also,
he did not call a doctor for until she lay
on her deathbed, telling his sister in law, if I
see she is dying, I will call a doctor. She
asked him to get a doctor for her sister, but
he refused. She testified. Then he stood by the bed
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and shook it and laughed at her. She was suffering
and turned in the bed. He shook it again and said,
I will shake you up a little. You won't get
well anyway. You are going to die. Then he gave
her a red liquid medicine. Mister Barber, the prosecutor, outlined
the following circumstantial evidence. One indecent haste to have his
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wife buried. Two trickery and getting missus Nutsen to sign
blank deeds for property and putting false states on the deeds. Three,
preference for an undertaker, her youthed and balming fluid that
contained arsenic Four the presence of rat poison in the house,
which was removed as soon as Missus Knudsen died. Five
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books of Nutsen at the house with turned down pages
dealing with arsenic and other poisons. Six the finding of
arsenic in the body of Missus Nutsen by experts and
the reports that the organs of the body otherwise were normal.
Seven false reports as to the cause of death, and
eight hiring detectives to get evidence for slander suit. Five
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neighbors of the Nutsens testified that mister Mutsen never called
the doctor to attend his ailing wife. During the trial,
it came out that Knutsen, for two years prior to
his wife's death, had been friendly with Helen Westburg and
asked to become his housekeeper. Only a few weeks after
Missus Knutsen's death. He had met her in a saloon
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in the Red Light district. She testified that he had
paid her from two dollars to one hundred and fifty dollars,
and she visited him several times at his home after
his wife's death. He even called her on the day
his wife died and asked her to attend the funeral,
which she refused to do. The judge in charge of
the case, in order to push through the trial with
all possible speed, held several night sessions of court. Three
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doctors testified that the death of missus Nutsen was due
to arsenical poisoning. The defense had the two older nuts
and children testify. Gustaf Elevin cried out from the stand,
Papa did not kill Mama. He is innocent. His sister
Anna told of a happy home life and kissed her
father on her way out of the courtroom. The prosecution
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persisted that the motive for the murder was that Nuton
had fallen in love with Helen Westburg and had even
brought his children to meet her, even though she worked
in a brothel. On January nineteenth, nineteen o seven, the
jury found Nutson not guilty of poisoning his wife. Many
credited the testimony of his children with securing his acquittal.
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During the trial, of prosecution compared him to Johannes who
the Chicago police dubbed America's greatest mass murderer. A Bigoman,
he married at least fifty five women between eighteen ninety
and nineteen oh five, taking all their money and killing
some of them, many times using arsenic He was thought
to have killed at least fifty women, but ultimately was
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convicted of only one murder. Unlike Knutsen, he did not
escape the gallows and was executed on February twenty third,
nineteen oh six. In nineteen eleven, Knutson remarried. The newspapers
while announcing the nuptials also made mention that he had
been acquitted of killing his wife. In nineteen oh seven,
he told the newspapers that he had regained the fourteen
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ey loss when defending himself. Knutsen was forty two years
old and his bride was twenty three. One of the
strangest declarations made against Nutsen by the prosecution, besides being
a murderer, was that he was a devil worshiper. However,
this was never explained further. Just as strange was that
he married Addie Morris of Hopkinsville, Kentucky, at midnight on
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January seventeenth, nineteen eleven. Knuton Nutsen's second marriage to his
young bride was short lived, since he married a third
time eight years later. His bride was Matilda Erickson, and
they married on July eleventh, nineteen nineteen, at Lake County, Indiana.
She had her own son, Werner comparable in age to
Knutsen's sons from a prior marriage. The following year, Anna
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Knutsen married Harry s kelliher on September second, nineteen twenty.
She had become a widow by nineteen thirty four. One
has to wonder she ever gained knowledge of the evidence
against her father. I realized he most probably murdered her
mothert Ole Knutsen died on September twenty eighth, nineteen forty eight,
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at the age of eighty one. Ironically, he was buried
in the same cemetery as his first wife, Johanna. Of
the three children born of Johanna, at least two died
of old age, Gustaf Adolph in nineteen seventy, Anna unknown
when she died, and Wilfred, who died in nineteen ninety one. Now,
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of all of this, it's incredible when you know, when
you look at that list of all the reasons the
prosecution found to suspect him, and that you had all
these witnesses come through there and give testimony how this
guy was acquitted. But the only thing, like they said,
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basically would save his neck literally was when his children,
his two older children would come into the court into
the courtroom and kiss him and Papa and all this.
As a matter of fact, I believe at one point
even the prosecutor said, look, you can't do that anymore.
So he realized that the jury was looking at this
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and thinking, Wow, how's this that even if they had
some doubt or believed that he had killed his wife,
that they were thinking, oh, these children love their dad,
We're gonna take away their dad, or how could these
children love the dad if so much if he was
a monster, that kind of thing. But I think, I
think to myself, I wonder if any of these three
kids once they became adults and became aware maybe a
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certain evidence, and realized that their father did kill their mom,
and what's worse, the two older ones that they were
used to basically spare their dad. I'm sure they have
had some very mixed feelings about that as far as
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who do you love the most? Right? Okay? Next story,
also out of Strangers and Fiction Stories, is titled A
Most Brutal Wretch. On January twenty third, eighteen seventy seven,
four young boys can be for the mayor of Indianapolis
for stealing a quantity of whiskey one of them was
named Macy. Warner took it on their advisement, but perhaps
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he didn't realize this wouldn't be the last time he
would hear of Macy. Macy Warner was born a mass
of Warner, and what happened to him in his early
life that led him astrade is not known, or perhaps
he was born this way. As a boy, he worked
as a boot black and new boy. He lived with
his widowed mother on Kentucky Avenue. Due to being unruly,
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he was sent to the Plainfield Reformatory, but escaped. Less
than a month after appearing before the mayor. He was
arrested again for burglary. Eighteen months later. Deputy Sheriff Harmony
took Mazie to the House of Refuge for Juvenile offenders,
but that was after the boy had tried to escape
from him. Whatever good they taught at the House of
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Refuge was wasted on Macy because in the eighteen eighty
census he was doing a stretch at Indiana State Prison
in Michigan City. He'd been sentenced to five years for
wounding a policeman that tried to arrest him. He was
fourteen years old in eighteen eighty three. He went on
to trial and Lafayette for robbing the ex city Marshall
along with another boy. The pair gave a list of
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witnesses that would vouch for them and provide an alibi.
None showed up. Four months later, fifty armed mass men
showed up at the Vincennes County Jail demanding the sheriff
hand over Macy Warner for the murder of Jacob Manday.
It seemed that Mazie had refused to pay for a
game of pool and was put out by Jacob, the
saloon keeper. He crossed the street, pulled out his gun
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and shot Manday, then at police. The coroner, upon completing
his murder case inquest, found that Jacob Mandory came to
his death after being shot by Warner. One of the
revolvers Warner had in his possession was stolen from a
junk dealer. Macy was shipped off to Van der Bergh
County Jail for safekeeping, but in the meantime there was
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a scuffle to claim the five hundred dollar reward for Macy.
Albert Goates, who was a hotel port in Vincenne's, claimed
that it was his because he let the lawn know
where Macy Warner had come back to the hotel where
he was staying. On October thirtieth, eighteen eighty three. Warner
pled not guilty to the charge of murder at his arraignment.
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He also got a change of venue to Davis County. However,
this did not save him from a conviction, and in
January eighteen eighty four, he was sentenced to twenty one
years in the penitentiary. He was not yet twenty one
years old. In eighteen eighty seven, Macy slipped up behind
a fellow convict named Frank Harris and cut his throat
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with a shoe knife. They both worked in the shoe department,
and there was no known grudge between them. Warner was
described as one of the most desperate characters in prison
in his hometown of Jasper. Harris was known as Indianapolis,
Read and ready. They were tough who was serving three
years for larging In the end, he wasn't tough enough.
Came as no surprise when Warner was charged with murder,
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but the papers noted there was a race against time,
since it was feared he would dive of consumption before
the trial, which was set for September eighteen eighty seven,
Macy Warner thought his odds were better, and he pled
insanity to the charge. In October, just before his trial
was starting, the sheriff found the hammer, a chisel, and
a heavy club under Macy's bed. They had been passed
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to him by a notorious character, Mattie MacDonald, who also
went by the moniker of Blueing. She was arrested and
spent time in jail for this offense. Ironically, she met
another prisoner and they were to get released and married
shortly after Warner's execution. Love. The speech that Warner prepared
to read at his trial read, quote, your honor and
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gentleman of the jury. When I was fifteen years of age,
I was sent to the house of Refuge. From there
I escaped and returned to Indianapolis. When a policeman attempted
to arrest me, I shot him For this. I served
five years at Michigan City. When released, I was employed
by a commission house in Indianapolis and was sent to
Vincennes to assist a shipping poultry. While there, a saloon
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keeper put me out of the house. Out of his house,
followed me to the street and struck me. I shot
him dead and was sent to the prison in this
city for twenty one years. Frank Harris insulted me, and
I cut his throat with a shoe knife. I do
not want to go to prison for life, and desire
you to either acquit me or bring in a verdict
of death. End. The jury gave him what he asked for,
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and on October twenty second they found him guilty and
he was sentenced to death by hanging. He was described
as a most brutal wretch, unfit to be at large.
Macy Warner had every intention of being at large once more,
and a few days after his conviction, was found in
possession of shoe buttoner's fashion into the shape of skeleton keys,
several yards of wire, wooden imitations of the jail keys,
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a box of powder, and a big knife fashioned into
a saw. He about to escape, but was turned in
by a fellow prisoner. Macey was no quitter, though, and
in January he escaped from the County jail. His sunmate
William McCain, helped him to overpower the jailer by seas
his arms from behind and threatening him with a razor.
They took the guard's keys a thirty eight revolver and
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three dollars and fifty cents. They fled and locked the
entrance door. The alarm went off and they were soon recaptured.
Governor Gray declined to issue a respite to the execution,
and hundreds of people came by to Sea Warner in
the last few days before his execution, and seventy tickets
were given out to witness the hanging. His mother had
died that year, and his brother Charles did not come
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to see him in jail. On March ninth, eighteen eighty eight,
at ten thirty am, three hundred people assembled to see
his end, and many thousands were on the outside. He
placed the rope over his own neck, which perhaps was
not a wise move, since the three and a half
foot dropped from the trap door did not break his neck.
It took thirty six minutes before the physicians declared him dead.
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He was twenty five years old. After the execution, a
man named Henry Cook scaled the gallows and cut the
rope used for the hanging into small pieces, amid the
jeers of the crowd, who grabbed the pieces like hungry
hyaenas would flesh. For months, the local sheriff was receiving
offers to buy the gallows so it could be exhibited
at side shows. Warner was described as being freckle faced,
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five feet four inches in height, with a light sandy
mustache and dark auburn hair. At the time of his death,
he weighed only one hundred and twenty five pounds. Since
he was consumptive, both of his parents were dead, and
he was not known to have any friends. No one
asked the governor to commute his sentence. During his incarceration,
only a cousin named John C. Warner came to see him.
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Macy Warner sold his body for twenty dollars to Louisville
Medical College. His brother Charles tried to intercede, but the
body was given over for dissection. However, after the students
were done, it was roughly reassembled and returned to his
brother for burial. A light brain abnormality was found and
the effects of tuberculosis was well advanced in his lungs.
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Otherwise he was normal, know and from what I understand,
his brother Charles was, how's this? I don't want to
say normal, but it was a law abiding citizen. How's that?
What happened with his kid is as you can tell,
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from very young he was on the path to self destruction.
Who knows. And even after I want to say, he
had no friends. That means that even the even the
Rough characters did not want to be his friend. In
other words, I think he was so crazy and erratic
that even other Rough characters were like, man, I don't
want to be your friend. You might turn on me.
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In other words, everybody was not giving this guy wide berth.
So there you go. I'm telling you so you know,
you know, you hear about these stories about the bad seed,
and you always say, no, nobody's born that way, or
something bad happened. I think this story of Macy Warner
proofs that there are such a thing as bad seed.
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All right, let's get onto the annabel story. This is
out of the mirror. It's a title possessed. Annabelle Dolls
caretaker Dan Rivera dies suddenly a fifty four while on
tour with toy Right. The paranormal world is mourning the
loss of renowned ghost hunter Dan Rivera was also the
caretaker of the infamous haunted annabel Doll. Tragically, Rivera passed
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away at the age of fifty four. On Sunday while
touring with a doll. The respected investigator was found unresponsible
in his hotel room in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on the evening
of July thirteenth, twenty twenty five. Rivera wasn't town for
a sold out event as part of the Devil's On
the Run Tour, a contentious cross country series showcasing the
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real Annabell Doll, an object notorious for its links to
demonic possession and its role in the Conjuring universe. Australian
horror filmmaker James One, who brought Annabel into the global
haligme light through his twenty thirteen blockbuster The Conjuring and
its twenty fourteen spinoff, paid tribute to Rivera on social media.
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He expressed his sadness over the sudden passing of Rivera,
which occurred shortly after the death of once close associate
producer Jason Constantine. While the official cause of Rivera's death
has not been revealed, the emergency dispatch records confirmed a
CPR in progress call was made for a man fitting
his description. Rivera was a lead investigated with the New
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England Society for Psychic Research ESPER and ESPR and the
organization has confirmed his death. Rivera's untimely demise has sparked
wave of sorrowful fans and fellow investigators around the globe,
but cult figure the paranormal world, Rivera had garnered a
loyal following through his investigations. Annabell, the infamous raggedy and
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All that Shiver's down spines in the nineteen seventies, is
back in the spotlight. Known for its ears antics such
as following its owners around their home and early positioning
itself by the door to greet them after work, the
doll has long been associated with a paranormal Okay, what
they don't mention is the origins of the Annabelle doll,
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which we're going to go into now, and that, of
course some people know this, but others don't. That that
doll that you see in the movie that was made
up because it's it's a it's a raggedy ann doll.
It's a very innocuous looking thing, you know, doll. And
I believe the manufacturers of this doll when they were
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going to make the movie say no, you're not going
to use our You know what our product looks like?
All right? Because forever more than it will not be
Raggedy ann It will be the Conjuring Doll, Annabel forever
and ever, no matter, you know. So that's why that
doll that you see in the movie is not what
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it really looks like. But let's let's go to the
fount of information. I only use Wikipedia because this is
a very basic information. All right. I'm not a big
Wikipedia fan, but here we go. All right, now, Annabelle,
this is, in other words, this is the backstory to
this doll, all right. Annabel is a raggedy an doll
that is claimed to be haunted according to paranormal investigated
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ad and Lorraine Warren see where this is the origins
of this doll is The doll frightened its owner, so
they moved it to their now closed museum in Connecticut
during the nineteen seventies. Academics and science writers have dismissed
their claims. In Smith in Folklore, a character based on
the Warren story, is one of the antagonists that appear
in the fictional Conjuring Universe. According to the Warrens, they
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were given the doll in the nineteen seventies by a
twenty eight year old student nurse named donna from Hartford, Connecticut,
who claimed the doll could move by itself and exhibit
it malicious and frightening behavior. The Warrens said a psychic
medium had told the student nurse her doll had been
taken over by the spirit of a dead six year
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old girl named Annabel. The Warrens claimed the doll was
demonically possessed and subsequently placed in a display box at
their occult museum in Monroe, Connecticut. Over time, the Warrens
publicized various claims about Annabel. Supposedly, the doll inflicted psychic
slashes that drew blood from victims, caused the priest who
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insulted the doll to run his car into a tree
and stabbed the homicide detective, forcing him into early retirement.
The story of the doll was featured in the nineteen
eighty book The Demonologists, written by Gerald Brittle, the result
of what the author has claimed was an exclusive deal
with Lorraine Warren. In two thousand and nine, rosy De
Rosa Gruns Evergreen Media Group made a series of deals
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with the Warrens for rights to exploit their stories. In
twenty fourteen, Warner Brothers newline Semina Cinema claimed the rights
to the annabel story connection with chapters from the Demonologists,
which they say were acquired from Missus Warren and or
Tony Sparra and Gray Malkin Media right. So in other words,
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obviously there was a lot of money to be made
what they say with that conjuring universe thing, I mean
they done from that first one. Now, in twenty nineteen,
the Occult Museum closed due to zoning violations. This occult
museum is the one originally opened by the Warrens back
in the seventies. In twenty twenty five, the Warrens estate
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promoted online reports that the doll had disappeared as part
of a viral marketing campaign for a tour called Devil's
on the Run showcasing items from the Warrens ac Cult Museum.
The doll was never missing, said Tony Spare, the director
of New England Society for Psychic Research. We had taken
a doll on a brief tour to several locations so
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paranormal enthusiasts could witness the real Annabelle. In July twenty
twenty five, Devil's on the Run tour organizer and host
Dan Rivera died in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Rivera been a lead
promoter of the tour and produced videos of the doll
on TikTok. That's you know what they don't they they
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leave out a lot of times? Is that? What are
the origins like? Originally this was a case that came
to the warrants. All right, Now, one of the things
that I'm curious about is this thing where let's see
the okay hanging out Nut's old Maine more laughs, all right,
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tell the eerie tales ghostbusters speak at ruggers. Okay, I
think these are old as far as reference that they
were saying, which I had looked into, that the that
it caused a priest who insulted the doll to run
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his car into a tree, and then it stabbed a
homicide detective, forcing him into early retirement. And I'm trying to, uh,
you know, I don't know. I'd never heard. I mean, honestly,
I had never really looked deep into this anavel story
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as far as you know, what was true was not true.
But anyway, I'm not gonna go into that now. But
so what do you think do you think this? And
by the way, I was looking in and they were
saying that the doll was not in Rivera's room with him,
you know, in other words, it wasn't like in close
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proximity or anything like that. Apparently this gentleman was a
caretaker in the sense that he was running this this tour.
Oh and I don't even know. I wouldn't be surprised
if there's another conjuring movie in the works and they're
part of it. Is like, you know, with that thing that's
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I'm telling you the marketing. You know that the that
the doll had disappeared and whatever. But apparently the doll
wasn't in the room with him and it wasn't like
But then, you know, you're always gonna have the people
that say, well, was it the effects of the doll?
What do you think? I mean, fifty four is a
the young guy for like that? I don't know. I'm
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sure that they're gonna find some type of As far
as I know, they have not given out cause of
death yet, But if they were doing CPR him, maybe
he suffered some type of heart attack or something. Munos
sometimes you know people's health. Maybe he already had a
pre existing condition that just you know what, maybe the
stress of doing a tour. You know, if you've got
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a lot of responsibility, that could happen. I guess my
point is it doesn't necessarily have to be this thing
with a doll, But that's what everybody's like. The tongues
are wagging. What do you think was this that demonic doll? Which,
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by the way, I'm also curious. One psychic says it's
possessed by a six year old girl, but then another
they get another feedback that's demonically possessed, and it's like
either or what is it again? I would have to
check up on this, which probably I will do. But
in the meantime, thank you for being here. I will
be back soon, very very soon with a lot of
weird and unusual stories. Till next time.