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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody, This is Marlene with he Renews in. Today
is a another weird day. And I've got some good stories,
some older stories as far as way back when you know,
the good old days. And let's start there first stories
out of stranger than fiction stories. And this dates all
the way back to As a matter of fact, this
date coincides with you know, as far as you know
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when you look at Jack the Ripper had been doing
stuff not too long before HH Holmes was doing his
thing in Chicago. Pearl Bryan got killed. That a lot
of weird stuff. Bram Stoker was putting out Dracula. So yeah,
but this is not make believe. This is real. And
this is titled the Strange Death of Lilian Lowe. In
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July twenty third, eighteen ninety five, Lillian aka Lily Lowe
was found dead in the wood at Washington Heights. She
had seated herself with her back against the stumb of
a tree and had shot a revolver bullet through a
right temple. She was nineteen years old, but started out
as a scandal involving the suicide of the illegitimate daughter
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of a wealthy New York man, would evolved into scandalous
stories involving infidelity and murder from all those involved in
her death. Lily Andlowe's body was taken to the undertaker
Maloney's shop at four hundred East twenty sixth Street. Her father,
James Low Junior, purchased two plots in Woodland Cemetery, one
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for his daughter and the other for himself. His brother
Joseph T. Low had refused to allow Lily to be
laid to rest in a family plot. Since she was
a suicide, there was no religious ceremony at the grave.
The police was still trying to solve the mystery of
Lily's death and to verify the motive which led her
to take her life. In the bosom of her dress,
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a ledter a dressed to dear Baby Cuckoo and signed
big Brother Tommy, was found. It was determined that Henry T.
Champney and doctor Thomas Jacob Biggs the Third had composed it,
and Tommy was believed to be doctor Biggs. At the
time of Lilian's suicide, Henry Champney was seventy years old
and Biggs was thirty one. Right after Lilian's body was found,
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doctor Biggs disappeared from his office on East thirtieth Street.
He'd been a prominent physician in Cincinnati, connected with a
medical college. Four years before he divorced his wife, Lula,
citing fraud. She had left him after sixty days and
did not oppose the divorce. This was fodder for the
tabloids and did not reflect well on his character. The
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nature of the fraud that led to the divorce, or
more importantly, why she left the marriage after only two months,
was never explained. Biggs was the son of a wholesale
grocer from Cincinnati who was also an elder at the
Glendale Presbyterian Church. He was on the staff of Bellevue
Hospital for a year, then returned to Glendale, and then
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left as an army surgeon in the Northwest. After a
brief stay, he returned to Glendale and associated himself with
doctor C. H. Chetwood as an assistant at the Milton
Dispense area at twenty third Street and Second Avenue. So
this is doctor Biggs. He's not a poor guy. His
data is a Presbyterian minister. He's got a business in Cincinnati,
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and he comes and goes. And remember back then, a
divorce like that, like all of a sudden, after two months,
your wife walks out and you divorce hero on the
on the premise of fraud. And by the way, this
was unknown until Lillian Lowe's suicide. That's when all this
was dug up. So, of course, you know, tabloids have
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always been tabloids. But let's keep going. The morning of
Lily's burial, a detective was sent to New Rochelle to
look for Robert w Inman and his friend Henry Champney,
who were frequently seen in Lily's company during the last
few months of her life. But it was learned that
Inman's yacht had relocated further up the sound. Robert w
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Inman was a junior member of the Inman, Swan and Company,
and he was a nephew John w Inman, the Southern
Railroad magnet and cotton merchant. Not surprisingly, he denied any
involvement with Lilian Lowe. However, this is not what spared
him with scrutiny in the case, but for the fact
he died only a month later in August eighteen ninety five.
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So you're seeing that poor little Lilian Lowe. Yes, she's
a legitimate and she kind of comes from a wealthy family,
but let's face it, talk about being born on the
wrong side of the blankets. But here she's got all
these older men who are very well placed in society
like around her. So let's see. Okay, we're talking here
about in men. His yacht Adelaide collided with the steamer
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Perseus off Bay Ridge. Everyone else on board with him
was accounted for, but it was feared he was drowned.
But there were others who suspected that, since he was
an eccentric man, he had gotten ashore and concealed the
fact he was alive. This idea was dispelled when his
body was found floating in Staten Island waters A week later.
The officers of the Perseus were indicted on manslaughter charges.
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During those days when Robert Inman sneaked off on his yacht,
coroner's warrants were issued seeking doctor James J. Biggs, Henry P. Champney,
who was vice president of the Bovinine Company, and a
Miss Amelia K. Hansen, who had the same address as Champney,
since she ran a boarding house for men where one
of the two men resided. They were charged with having
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knowledge of the death of Lilian Lowe, Lilian's father described
that his daughter left her home in March of the
same year, complaining that he was cruel to her. He
said he always provided for her in all things, but
Lily's misfortunes started with the circumstances of her birth. Twenty
five years before, James Lowe went to France and fell
in love with a frenchwoman named Josephine Ramois, who he
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met a niece. They never married, but lived together for
a number of years. During their time together, she bore
him six children, five of whom he said she killed
one by one soon after birth. She would destroy them.
One she threw into a tub of freezing water, another
she suffocated with cologne. Lily survived because she was the
only daughter. Eventually, James low found out she had a
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husband somewhere, but it was only after she left him
for another man that he took Lily with him. They
traveled around the world and had come to New York
four years before. He said that Miss Hanson lured Lily
to go and live with her. Mister low tried repeatedly
to have Lily return and live with him, but she
declined all his offers. One day, he went to see
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her and Miss Hanson denied she was in the house
and ordered him to leave. He pleaded to see his daughter,
and Miss Hanson called doctor Biggs, who rejected him from
the premises. The reason he gave for their interest in
Lily was that as his only aig, she would inherit
his wealth. He said that during the winter, when they
learned of Lily's illegitimate birth, they tried to blackmail his brother, Joseph,
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who was a wealthy millionaire merchant. Joseph Low did not
receive them and the scene the scheme went nowhere. Doctor
Hanlon autopsied Lilian found marks of violence on her body,
which indicated she might have been raped. Perhaps Lily had
committed suicide due to the attack. It was learned that
Lily had a dispute with miss Hansen and two days
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later killed herself. Lily's father told a reporter, I do
not know, but really her end was not a surprise
to me. I had a strange presentiment that she would
come to a bad end. I did my best to
get her back, but I could not. I could not
get near her. According to the three persons accused of
some type of involvement in Lily's death, the girl had
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threatened suicide twice when she took poison but was saved.
Missus Tricon, who rented the apartment where mister Low and
his daughter lived, told reporters quote the stories that he
beat her and ill treated her are absolutely false. I
never saw father and daughter who showed so much affection
for each other as they did. Mister Low's eyes were
troubling him, and he never went out much, even when
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he was sick. Last March, she said to me one day,
with her pretty French accent, my father is the only
friend I have in the world, and if he should die,
I would kill myself. The Low family was well connected.
James Low Junior was a son of James Low, president
of the United States Trust Company, and a millionaire. His sister,
Laura went on to marry Oliver Harriman, the Wall Street banker.
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She was one of the leaders of New York's fashionable society.
The family belonged to the top four hundred of New
York families. However, James Low was the black sheep of
his family, and neither he or his daughter were welcomed
at the Harriman house. Two days after Lily's funeral, Oscar
Lipsker a Mott Street Bay. Baker said he had seen
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Lily and doctor Briggs go into the Little Girl in
Washington Heights, where the body was found. He said from
their conversation and mannerism toward each other, they appeared to
be lovers. On July thirtieth, the coroner's jury returned a
verdict of suicide. The three persons in custody were released.
Wiley's bodies bore signs of violence and rape were never explained.
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Later on, it turned out that while Henry Champney was
spending time at Amelia Hanson's boarding house, he was a
married man. His wife, Lydia, died in February eighteen ninety six,
and he married Amelia two months later. She was a
forty four year old spinster and twenty seven years younger
than him. What was not known during the months after
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Lilian Lowe's death and Champney's divorce is that Emilia was
pregnant with his child. A daughter was born on December
twenty sixth, eighteen ninety five. So here again you have
this whirlpool of scandal. She moves in, Lilian Lowe moves
into this. You know, she this lay lady Amelia Hansen.
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She's already in her early forties. She has a boarding
house for men. One of these men lived there. One
of them is this guy Champney, who is married all along, right,
even while everybody's alive. In other words, his wife is alive,
Lilian Lowe's alive. He's obviously having an affair with Amelia Hanson.
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She's pregnant with his child. Right after Lillian dies, he
gets to the Champion, gets a divorce from his wife,
turns around, gets married to Amelia Hansen, and they have
a child within a few months. You do the math
and you can tell she was pregnant. So again you
see this very how can I say high browed New
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York family or circumstances, and it's everything but underneath. Okay, now,
let's go on. This lady Edith Probridge Champney was the
daughter of Amelia and Henry Champney, and when she's seventeen,
she loaves with Robert Kaiser, had one child and died
in nineteen twenty five at the age of twenty nine.
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So this one issue that they had together. The lady
died at the age of twenty nine. So anyway, let's
keep going. Now, there was a strange story that appeared briefly.
In eighteen seventy one, proceedings were started against Lewis Worth,
where a writ of Habe's corpus was issued directing him
to produce Amelia Hanson, aged seventeen. Amelia's mother charged that
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three years before, when the girl was fourteen, she was
enticed away by Worth, with whom she had lived in
improper relations ever since, and by whom she is now
with child. The outcome of the proceedings remain unknown. Was
the Lewis Worth mentioned A sergeant of the ninth Subprecinct
who was active in those years was the young Amelia,
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the same Amelia Hanson who would figure in the death
of Lilian Lowe years later. James low perhaps to forget
the tragedy of his daughter's death, remarried in nineteen hundred
to Esmeralda Campbell. He was sixty, she was thirty, and
a year later they had a son, who died the
same day of his birth. They remained married until his
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death in nineteen twenty six. Two years later, es Moral
De Lowe married a much younger man named Ivan Heyer Brouer.
He was thirty years younger than her. According to Esmeralda,
it was supposed to be a platonic relationship, but a
young husband wouldn't work and drank off it. He wanted
to live off the fortune she had inherited from her
dead husband, which was estimated to be about a million dollars, which,
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by the way, a million dollars back then with a
lot of money. Esmeralda sued for divorce, alleging cruelty, and
finally secured her release in nineteen thirty one. She told
the courts that her husband repeatedly assaulted and attempted to
assault her, using vile and abusive language, causing a great
anguish and mind and body, that he is an habitual drunkard,
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threatened to throw acid in her face, and on one occasion,
threatened to run their automobile over an embankment to kill
them both. With this thing of mister Brower, we're doing
like a little hot tub time moment with him. Okay,
Obviously this nineteen nineteen, he's a younger man, and I
believe it or not, he finds himself involved in another
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mess divorce, and this is the way it played out.
Doctor Fred J. Farrington was charged in misconduct, and a
petition for the war was spiled by his wife, Metta E. Farington.
She named six or seven correspondents. Brower acted as a
witness and testified that he had seen Madeline Taylor in
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the company of doctor Farrington. He also testified he had
seen Missus Dodge in Lakewood with Farrington at two different weekends.
He underwent an hour long cross examination. He testified to
having been under treatment for a time for some nervous disorder.
What brought the testimony to an end was when the
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defense attorney he tried to impeach his credibility based on
his father's identity. Okay, now remember seat, and I tell
everybody that's the thing. Back then, people had long memories
and it wasn't only what you did, it was also
what your family or your father had done. Kay Brower
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was the son of doctor Frank Brower of Tom's River,
who was tried in September nineteen oh five of having
murdered his wife, Carrie Brower, who was only thirty four
years old when she died. In December nineteen oh five.
The body of Carry Brower was exhumed based on allegations
from her brother. She married doctor Frank R. Brower in
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eighteen ninety six and had two sons. Three years before
her death, there was talk of divorce, but proceedings were dropped.
She died after eleven days of illness and her husband
was the one who attended her medically. Statement were made
by two nurses, Miss Lippencott and Miss Dudley attending carry
Brower caused her brother to demand an investigation. She had
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called doctor Henry Kate for medical attention. However, he had
borrowed six hundred dollars from her a year before and
used his household in office goods as collateral. He was
not present when she died, but he signed her death
certificate giving acute Bright's disease as the cause of death.
And the three months between his wife's death and the investigation,
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Brower had brought a Miss mclenahan, one of his patients,
to live at his house. It was alleged she was
the cause of a break between doctor Brower and his
wife before her death. Once the investigation started, she left
the house. The autopsy found she had not died of
Bright's disease. Coincidentally, on December ninth, Doctor Hamilton, Doctor Henry
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Hamilton Kate disappeared from Lakewood, where he was in charge
of a sanitarium. On December twenty seventh, he won into
the police station at Springfield, Massachusetts, saying he had lost
his memory. He said he couldn't remember his name or
where he lived, only that he was a Mason since
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he had a watch charm with their emblem. Eventually, he
was identified since he was being sought by the authorities
in Tom's River. Kate said he had diagnosed the case
based on Brower's assertion that his wife had suffered from
Bright's disease. So here you see this guy Kate owes
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this poor lady money. Okay, I guess I don't know
how he ends up signing her death certificate even though
he was not present for it. Then all of a
sudden he disappears. By the way. This Tom's River was
a little town, New Jersey, and Walders round says, I
can't remember anything that is great, all right, So the
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only thing he knows when he wants in is that
I think I'm a Mason. So Case said he had
diagnosed the case based on Brower's assertion that his wife
had suffered from Bright's disease. Doctor form who was called
into consult with doctor Brower, was positive that missus Brower
was not suffering from Bright's and refused to sign the
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death certificate. The autopsy showed that death was not due
to spinal meningitis, appendicitis, or aneurysm that would have coincided
with carry Brower's symptoms. It was found that she had
enough flamed stomach and bowels and fatty changes in the liver, pancreas, lungs,
and kidneys. A chemist examined the organician found arsenic in
her body. Doctor Brower was accused of poisoning his wife
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with arsenic, striking, strickening, and ground glass and went to
trial in October nineteen oh six. He was found innocent
on the defense of potamine poisoning or tomine poisoning. I'm
want to pronounce that within seven months of the acquittal,
Frank Brower became engaged to esther B Singleton. During his trial,
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she had taken flowers and delicacies to him in his cell.
The newspapers announced that a June wedding was planned, then
all mention of the romance dropped from the newspapers. The
wedding never occurred and in nineteen oh nine, it was
reported that she was marrying William Blyming. What did she
find out about doctor Brower that derailed the relationship. Her
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father had been one of his staunchest supporters and helped
helped him get acquitted. So here's this guy, this guy Brower,
who remember there's a hot top time moment. He marries
as Morale Delowe, who's thirty years older than him. She's like,
I want out because he's a crazy guy. About eleven
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years earlier, he's being a witness for a woman who's
remembered this was the time where if you wanted a
divorce you had to like basically give a good reason
and you name people like, hey, I'm divorcing this because
So he's being a witness for her and the husband.
His defense team starts hammering him, and then they bring
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up the fact that his father had been accused of murder,
of murdering his own mother. So here we are. Now
we're in the middle of doctor Brower who gets off
of poisoning his wife, brings brings a girl to live
over the house just weeks after his wife has died.
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She's gone. And then while he's sitting in jail, waiting
to go to trial, and there's this lady, very young
looking at it esther b Singleton. She was like she
was coming to his cell and bringing him delicacies and
taking care of him. Her father is doing everything he
can to get this guy off and get acquitted, which
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it worked, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Okay,
they don't even talk about it. All of a sudden,
the wedding's off. Everything is off. No more world, no
more nothing. Next thing, you know, she's saying, oh she's
marrying somebody else. What did you find out? But anyway,
let's keep going. So in nineteen ten, Frank Brower married
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missus Lydia Kirk. This was her third marriage. She was
first married to Edwin Kirk in eighteen ninety six. They
had one son, named for his father. Two years later
the couple I divorced and she married his brother, William Kirk.
They had one son that died in infancy. At some
point she divorced him. So again I'm laughing. And the
reason why is because here you have a man who
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was accused of killing his wife, gets off, he ends
up marrying a divorced woman that married first one brother.
Then the other gives each one a son. Okay, So
here you are. So she ends up divorcing both brothers. Okay,
and she ends up marrying Frank Brower. Doctor Frank Brower
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in nighteen ten. So fast forward five years, it's nineteen fifteen.
Frank Brower was involved in another MESI scenario and dragged
his wife into it. He was accused of influencing a
separation between Harold Harold Maler and his wife Emily. He
knew the couple since he was the family physician. Five
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months after the separation, the Browers, along with Missus Maler,
went to her husband's house, who was out hunting ducks.
The three started to pack up things and were leaving
when Margaret Kennedy, a nurse at the house, threatened them
with a pistol. She was arrested after Missus Miller filed
a complain against her. However, mister Maller bailed her out
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within hours. Then doctor Brower and his wife were arrested
after being charged with unlawfully entering the Maler home. His
wife was charged as well. The charges were a drop
of Mister Miller dropped dead from apoplexy in November nineteen
fifteen at the age of forty two. So then the
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situation became more embroiled when it was found out that
Harold Maler had made a new will disinheriting his wife.
She challenged the second will, and ultimately their home was
put up for auction. In nineteen seventeen, Emily Maler charged
that Margaret Kennedy, who had threatened her with a gun,
had taken seventeen railroad bonds, six hundred dollars in cash,
three diamond studs, a black pearl pin, a diamond ring,
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and other jewelry which were in Harold Maler's possession when
he died. When Harold Maler had died in nineteen fifteen,
he was on an automobile trip with miss Kennedy, who
described herself as a nurse and personal attendant to mister Maler.
The outcome of the case was never revealed. When Frank
Brower died in nineteen thirty six at age at the
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age of sixty five, he named his wife Lydia, his
step son Edwin, and his son Allan as beneficiaries. He
excluded his son Evan Brower, who by then had been
involved in the Messidy Wars from Esmeral de Low as
to the three individuals that were suspected of causing Lilian's
Low's death in some form, they went on to have
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their own strange experiences. Doctor Thomas Biggs married Louise Pitt
in nineteen oh two. She was eighteen years as junior.
Then he went on to practice medicine in Stanford, Connecticut,
and in nineteen ten was the city health officer. In
nineteen thirteen, he died at the age of forty eight
of complications from Bright's disease. Henry Champney was released based
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on the findings of the coroner's jury in eighteen ninety
five in regard to Lillian Lowe's death. However, in May
eighteen ninety eight, he was once more embroiled than a
scandal of a strange death. This one involved a neighbor,
Amelia Kraus, reported at the coroner's office at her sister,
Miss Catherine c. Robitschek, died April twenty fifth, eighteen ninety eight,
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under mysterious circumstances. One of the persons figuring in the
matter was Amelia Champney, wife of Henry T. Champney, president
of the Beovinine Prepared Food company. Missus Krows asked for
an investigation at the request of her sister, Lady Norah Gordon,
who lived in Monte Carlo, who, on learning of their
sister's death, cabled her. They employed private investigators and based
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on their findings, the family wanted the matter presented to
the Austrian Council, since the family had emigrated from this country.
Their sister, Catherine died at her home at one seven
for West eighty second Street at the upper east side
of Manhattan. Her body was taken by a family living
opposite her apartment. The said neighbors were Henry Champney and
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his wife. She claimed that the Champneys knew where she
lived and also need the address of their brothers, who
also lived in New York City. Missus Krow's claimed they
found out about their sister's death five days after the event,
and only through their sibling that lived in Monte Carlo.
They went to the Champneys, who had taken charge of
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the body, and the couple refused to give the family
any information. They could not even learn where the body
was sent until the detective found it at an undertaker's
on twenty third Street. They not only concealed her death
but they had taken all her belongings to their house.
They had also dismissed her own doctor and had engaged
another one to care for her during her last illness.
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When Katherine rabut Check died, the Champney took it upon
themselves to dismiss her two servants, and their whereabouts were
known so they could not be questioned by police. Missus
Krowell said the family did not even know their sister
was unusually ill. When she sent her daughters to check
on Catherine two or three times per week prior to
her death. The servants said she would not see them,
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which seemed very strange to the family since they were
unfriendly terms. After hearing the story from Amelia Kraus, a
reporter went to see mister Champney at his home at
one five seven was eighty second Street. Surprisingly, mister Champney
was in a conversation with a young man who turned
out to be working for the undertakers who had charge
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of the body. Both men left the room, and then
the undertaker returned to the room and told the reporter
that quote, mister Champney has decided not to be seen
on the matter. Later, mister Champney said, we notified only
the sister in Europe of the death, because she was
the one to who the deceased property went. We took
charge of Missus robi Check only as a matter of benevolence.
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She was afraid. She was a friend of ours, and
that is all there is to it. Catherine rab Robichek,
who was forty five years old, was determined to have
died from heart and lung trouble, as determined by doctor
Russell t Ruff, who attended her. She left a will
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in which she named Missus Champney as executrix. The coroners
decided to hold the body until an autopsy could be
made by their physician. However, they had little hope of
discovering anything since the body had been embalmed. Deputy coroner
Albert T. Weston met with Amelia Crowns of what ten
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West to eighty second Street, along with her brothers Max
and Isaac, Robot's chick, and told them that without proof
of foul play in the death of their sister Catherine,
an autopsy would not be completed. The newspaper noted that
Henry T. Champney figured in the suicide case of Lilian
Lowe in eighteen ninety five. I remember this is only
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three years after Lilian Lowe's death. He's married Amelia Hansen.
Now she's Amedia Champney, and they kind of like have
this lady who's not really that old, forty five years old,
and they turn away all of a sudden, they like
take over. Anybody coming to see her. No, she doesn't
want to see you. Get out of here. She dies,
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They take her body, they take all her belongings. They
only let the the one sibling who's in Europe know
about it, even though they were aware that she had
siblings which were in the city. Nothing wrong there, right,
so let's keep going. So according to Missus Krause, the
Amelia Hanson arrested in the case of Lilian Lowe was
now Missus Champney. When asked by the reporter of this
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was true, Amelia Hanson became indignant and refused to reply.
Amedia Kraus failed to sign an ATFID David in a
timely manner, and her sister was buried and no further
investigation was made into whether Catherine's death was natural or not.
Henry Champney died in nineteen thirteen and his wife Amelia
in nineteen thirty eight. It was not only the people
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involved in the death of Lilian Lowe, but the place
as well that remained notorious even years afterward. And nineteen
oh two of the house where Lily lived with Emlia Hansen,
located at one oh three West fifty eighth Street, known
as the Clarence Apartments, was sited the newspapers as a
house tied to tragedy. Turned out the apartment occupied by
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William Hooper Young, grandson of Brigham Young, was where he
murdered missus Anna Pulitzer. On September nineteenth, nineteen oh two.
An Anna Pulitzer was found in the Morris Canal outside
Jersey City, New Jersey. She'd been stabbed several times and
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her head was bruised. Her nude body was weighed down
with a hitching weight that was tied around her waist
by a leather strap. Uh The strap and the weight
were later identified by the livery keeper who had rented
the rig to Young. Anna Pulitzer was married to Joseph Pulitzer,
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a tailor who lived at one six zero West forty
sixth Street, Manhattan. There were rumors she engaged in prostitution
at the very least infidelity. A day before the discovery
of the body, Joseph Pulitzer had gone to the police
to report on the disappearance of his wife, being twenty
two years old, of slender build, five feet two inches
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with straw colored hair and gray eyes. Once her body
was discovered, he went to Spears morg and identified remains,
where he promptly collapsed. A cabman told police that a
few days before her death, he took Missus Pulitzer and
a man to an apartment in New York City that
turned out to belong to John Willard Young. Inside the
police found beer bottles and a bottle with chloral hydrate crystals,
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and a carving knife with blood on it. They found
blood on bed sheets in a closet, under the kitchen sink,
the floors, and the walls. The words blood atonement were
scrawled in a notebook, and there were several references to
verses from the Bible. At about the same time, Chicago
police discovered a trunk filled with a dead woman's clothes,
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which had been sent there by Young. It was determined
and a Puletzer died from a knife thrust to her
abdomen and not a drug overdose some of the injuries
to her body. Post mortem, it was also determined she
was pregnant. During the investigation, it was found John Willard
Young was in France, but his son Hooper would use
the place when he was gone. The law caught up
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with Hooper Young in Connecticut. He was drunk and tried
to disguise himself by dressing like a hobo. He blamed
Pulacher's death on a third man, Charles Eiling, who had
been in the apartment with him. He left a purchase whiskey,
and when he returned she was dead. He helped Eyling
disposed of the body because he didn't want his father
involved in the notoriety of a prostitute being killed in
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his apartment. He said he tried dismembering Pulitcher's body, but
after he cut into her abdomen, he lost his nerve.
The police searched for Charles Eyling, and no one by
that name could be found. Prior to the murder, while
living in Salt Lake City, William Hooper Young was a
reporter for The Herald and became notorious there for challenging
another reporter for a rival paper to a duel because
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of an article that had been written about him when
hit the newspapers. It was thought he committed the murder
in accordance with the Mormon principle of blood atonement. Others
thought the couple had an affair going back years when
he was a Mormon missionary and New Jersey. The motive
for the murder was never determined. He was tried in
nineteen oh three. After initially pleading not guilty, he changed
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the blood guilty to second degree murder. O'teli Ederman, who
was a witness for the prosecution, claimed she had been
threatened by Mormons if she testified against Young. He was
sentenced to hard labor in the state prison for the
rest of his life, to be served at Singh Singh Prison.
The judge decided not to impose a death penalty because
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some doctors determined that Young was probably medically, if not legally, insane.
He was also addicted to liquor, cocaine, and morphine. He
was paroled in nineteen twenty four and went to live
with his father in New York City, who died shortly thereafter.
It's unknown which of Jon Willer's Young's five wives was
William's mother. In nineteen twenty eight, he went to California
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trying to locate one of his half sisters. In nineteen
thirty seven, a social Security number was issued for him.
A year later, Fulsome prison listed William Hooper Young, who
was sent there from Los Angeles. The paperwork reference that
he'd been incarcerated in sing Sing. He was charged with
Section two eighty eight alpha or A, which in California
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involved oral copulation and which also included lud ax with
a minor. The Dayton place of his death remained unknown,
so it was only the people that were around the
Lily Low when she committed suicide. Even the place where
she had lived when that happened ends up being like
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an apartment, you know, where he stayed for the son
of Brigham Young, right, who's got this one crazy son,
right Hooper, who just so happens that when he stopping
in New Jersey, goes over to his dad's apartment, which
you know, the one the so the so called apartment
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and uh kills whether she prostituted he or so, I
don't know, kills her, dumps her body, but obviously he
was h And you do have one of the witnesses
saying that she had Mormon saying tell you know, telling
her you know, you better need to be Just remember
this was uh, this was the grandson of Brigham Young.
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And again his even his own father had five wives,
that's what we're saying. They weren't even sure which of
the five were his was his mother. So again, it
was everything surrounding.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
This Lilian Low thing like it was like that gift
that keeps on giving and giving and giving. And everybody
there was visited with some type of what's the word
I'm looking for, Like some type of like, I mean,
nobody leads a perfect life.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But it wasn't. It wasn't ordinary, just regular bad stuff.
It was like really unsavory stuff. All right. Let's stay
with unsavory, shall we. Next story is also out of
Stranger Than Fiction Stories and is titled The Tale of
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the Two Bobs. Let's see here you go now. This
is in eighteen ninety one, a man named Robert H.
Murray was released from a prison in Indiana, only to
find himself arrested once more, accused of the heinous crime
of killing a nun a few years before. Okay, it's
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August of eighteen ninety one places Louisville, Kentucky. A man
named Robert H. Murray was released on August fourth, eighteen
ninety one, from the prison at Jeffersonville, Indiana. Two days later,
he was arrested in Louisville, Kentucky, on the suspicion he
was a felon. The allegations were that he killed a
sister of charity three years before. The story reported by
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several newspapers across the United States, described to a Murray
worked as a brakeman on a train that was wrecked,
and he, along with others, were taken to the hospital
run by the Sisters of Mercy at Terre Haut. He
fell in love with a young nun who nursed him.
She refused him and reported the incident to the mother superior, who,
in an abundance of caution, sent her to Emporia, Kansas.
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He found out where she had been sent to and
followed her there. She was working at the hospital, and
once again she refused his marriage proposal. He struck across
the head with what was thought to be brass knuckles.
She died a few days later, naming her assailant as Murray.
So how did Bob end up in Jeffersonville Prison. In
September of eighteen ninety, Robert H. Murth, who was using
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the alias of Robert H. Murray, was sent to serve
a one year's sentence at the penitentiary for large and
he committed in Warwick County. He was a workman belonging
to French and Company's show and stole a hat at
the Saint Charles Hotel that belonged to Albert Kersch. He
pled guilty to the chargement, sentenced to two years, but
released after serving half a sentence. Upon his release, Murray
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was arrested in Louisville as a murder suspect on the
strength of a story told by mister Ballow, clerk of
the Jeffersonville prison. Balow went to the jail in Louisville
and then to fighted him as murray supposedly description matched
that of the alleged murderer. Murray kept denying he was
a man involved in the attack against the nun. He
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worked for the railroad for twenty years, and in eighteen
seventy four he lost three fingers off his right hand
while coupling cars at Connorsville, Indiana. However, he didn't go
to the hospital in Terehat and instead was cared for
by his sister, who lived in Rushville. He said it
had been more than five years since he had been
in the hospital in Tarehat, and he went there on
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account of an injury he received after falling off an
engine while stopped at Logan's Port, Indiana. During the hospital,
he was cared for by several nuns, but he never
took a fancy to any of them. He said that
several years after he left the hospital, he heard a
sister have been murdered there, but that was all. Murray
was arraigned in the city court and his case postponed
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for two days to allow the officers from Kansas to arrive,
which is where the crime was supposed to have occurred. However,
within a day a report was received from Emporia, Kansas,
which said no sister of Mercy was ever murdered in
their city. However, there was a case of none of
a nun who was raped at the Convent of the
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Sacred Heart under similar circumstances four years ago. She was
badly hurt, but recovered and was sent to another convent
to make sure assailant could not find her. Her attacker
was arrested at Terrhat a few days later, but provided
an alibi and was released Hot. In the heels of
this news, a letter was received by Major Owens from
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the Chief of Police of Terre Hut. The letter said
further investigation into the case found that Robert H. Murray
had a double, both in name and appearance. It turned
out that both men were hurt in the same wreck
near Terre Hot. Both had the thumb and two first
fingers of their left hand cut off, and both were
sent to the Sisters of Mercy Hospital for treatment. The
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rest of the story was accurate, in which the young
nun was murdered after she refused the marriage proposal. One
Bob was arrested in charge with the murder, but he
provided an alibi that proved he was at terre Hot
and the murder took place in Kansas. The other Bob
could not be found, but a year later he was
sent to the Jeffersonville Prison for grand larceny. The chief
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said that the sisters at the hospital had once heard
that Sister Mary had recovered after lingering illness, but this
is thought to be a mistake since one of the
men had been arrested on a charge of murder or
had it only been a case of rape. It's on
this cliffhanger that the story simply disappeared from the newspapers.
Were there to Bob's was a nun murdered or raped?
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And a man escaped justice from this highness crime and
another was accused of the deed just because he shared
several similarities with the perpetrators. Was there any truth in
the entire story? Throughout the articles printed in different newspapers,
the nun was reported to have belonged either to the
Sisters of Charity or the Sisters of Mercy. However, it
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was the Sisters of Saint Francis who in eighteen eighty
four had established hospitals in Lafayette, in Terre Haut, Indiana,
Omaha and Columbus, Nebraska, Emporia, Kansas, and Cleveland. There were
no stories in those years reporting any attack, much less
a murder against a nun of any order. The police
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and Emporia, Kansas made this clear. What if there was
never any crime committed a nun against a nun and
it was simply a story of revenge. The entire accusation
against Robert H. Murray aka Robert him Mirtha came about
by finger pointing from a clerk at the Jeffersonville Prison.
This prison had developed a notorious reputation, and in eighteen
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eighty seven A. J. Howard, the warden since eighteen seventy five,
had to resign. According to a newspaper story, enough is
known of it to make sure that the prison has
been carelessly, extravagantly and dishonestly managed, that prisoners had been
ill treated, and those who had money were robbed of it,
and that Howard's accounts with the state are in such
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condition as to indicate that he is short some thousands
of dollars. The actual amount was an excess of one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Warden Howard would purchase supplies
in small quantities from local dealers, and the food given
to the convicts was of the poorest quality and in
sufficient in quantity. The price charge to the state was
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a high price, and the difference was alleged to have
been divided between the dealer, the warden, and the stewart,
and the chaplain was in on it. Arthur Brooks, a convict,
was promised by Chaplain Cain that he could secure him
a pardon on condition he would pay fifty dollars down
and then promised to pay an additional one hundred and
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fifty dollars. Then Brooks was told he had to pay
an additional five hundred dollars as a retainer to pay
Charles Jewett, who was the Democratic Speaker of the House
of the Legislature, whose influence would be needed to get
h the pardon from the governor. Even after Howard had
to resign, the prison's reputation was tarnished. Could the story
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have come about from a failed shakedown of another convict?
The murder or rape of a nun was sure to
raise outrage, which it did until perhaps it was discovered
the entire thing was fabricated. The fate of the Bob's vendee,
there were two of them, remained unknown. The same holds
true for Sister Mary, who was allegedly struck down by
an obsessed suitor. That's if she existed at all. In
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eighteen ninety two, US noted that Jeffersonsville was overrulm with
burglars who were supposed to be ex convicts, such as
the fate of towns that surround penitentiaries. So was this
truly a case of mistaken I danity that two guys
happened to look alike. I have kind of the same
name when involved in an accident. Or was this guy
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ballowed the clerk who takes the trouble to point the
finger at the guy. Maybe this guy they tried to
shake down. He was only in there for stealing a hat,
and they let him go after a year. All right,
this guy had been working on the railroads, and maybe
they tried to shake him down, and that when he
got out, this ballow guy from the prison, who sounds
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like a really great place came after him and accused him.
And it went all downhill except for the fact that
none of the First of all, it wasn't even the
right order of nuns at that city. That's number one.
Plus none of the police departments were saying, no, we
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don't have anything about you know. And in other words,
we don't have an official story about a nun getting
killed or rape. We've heard rumors, but again there was
never a concrete case, and I guess I had to
let them go. Of course, all right, next story, let's
move into a little bit more modern times. So this
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is a mystery, and this is titled the unsolved murder
of Larry Joe Phoebus. On March twenty eighth, nineteen sixty three,
authorities found the decomposed and nearly nude body of a
teenager in a desolate farm field two and a half
miles southwest of Alexander, North Dakota. The boy was found
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by Clark Jenner and his employee John Mann in a
rough terrain lying about half a mile off the country
road on the Jenner farm. The body was in a
patch of weeds between two plowed fields on a section
near Lonely Creek. The body was taught was tossed just
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south of where U. S. Eighty five turned east to
Watford City. There was no identification with the remains. The
blue jeans and shorts were round his ankle, and his
shoes were near by. Inside his pant pocket was a
flashlight and a dollar forty in change. Around him were
beer cans, soda bottles, a brown glove, a towel, and
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a piece of car seat cover of green Turkish cloth.
Old cart tracks were found the edge o where the
body had been left. Lloyd Powell County Commissioner said he
noticed a strange automobile in the area around the time
the boy was murdered. The victim was eventually identified as
Larry Joe Phoebus of Tioga, aged fourteen. Larry lived with
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his older brother Chester, who worked in the oil fields
for Jacobson's Construction and National Tank in Williston, and he
had been reported missing since October nineteen sixty two. The
brothers had moved there from Petersburg, Indiana since August nineteen
sixty one. Sam Wallace nineteen lived with the brothers and
identified the clothing as belonging to Larry Joe Phoebus. He
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told local newspapers, I gave him the money to buy it.
I know it's him. Clarence Lycith, the Mackenzie County Coroner,
planned to take the body to Mino in order to
conduct an autopsy. The coroner tentatively ruled death by strangulation
with a clothes line brokee that was still wrapped around
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the boy's neck and wrists. He surmised that it appeared
to be a sex crime. Initially, it was not sure
if he had died where the body was found, or
if he had just been dumped there. Larry Phoebus was
about five feet tall, slender with light brown hair. He'd
been wearing blue jeans, a green, rust and white sports shirt,
black loafers, dark socks, and a black sports jacket with
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a ziper front. Two months after his brother had disappeared,
Chester Phoebus decided to leave for California and abandoned his
car in Williston, North Dakota. It was impounded and after
the identification of the body, the police were examining it
for any clues to the crime. The authorities asked Chester
to return in order to help with the investigation. Sheriff
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le Roy Lutt said, or hoping we're living in hope
that the brother can give us a missing link that
will help solve the crime. In exchange for him returning
to speak to police, three traffic charges pending since December nineteenth,
nineteen sixty two against him were dropped and thirty days
in jails were canceled. He had left to state before
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starting his jail terms for various traffic infractions. He went
to California to be with his mother, Mary Harrison, and
his sibling Robert sixteen, Linda thirteen, and Cindy too. He
had hoped that Larry would turn up at her house.
By this time Chester had become a father when a
daughter named Susette was born in November nineteen sixty two.
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The sheriff was disappointed that Chester could not offer anything
to aid in him investigation. By his own request, Chester
agreed to take a light detector test. Sam Wallace also
did as well. Both were cleared. Larry's father, Robert Phoebus,
was an Indiana state prison serving a sentences nineteen fifty
nine for armed robbery of a coffee shop. Chester told
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police he had seen he had last seen his brother
on October twentieth. He left the boy at the Traveler's
Hotel while he went on a double date with Sam Wallace.
As he was leaving, Larry told him, You'll be sorry
you aren't taking me with you. When they returned from
the movie theater in Williston, the room was empty. Usually
Larry Joe would leave a note so that they wouldn't worry.
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Larry Joe had been traveling around the US with his
brother following work in the oil fields. Chester had left
home at an early age and had worked at a
little bit of everything. In nineteen sixty one, he was
discharged from the army after serving with the second Engineers
of the second Infantry Division at Fort Benning, Georgia. According
to him, he had been to all the states except Why.
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Larry had been in school only a few weeks and
was described as easy to get along with, but his
teachers confirmed that he had fallen behind academically. Immediately after
Larry's disappearance, Sam Wallace and Chester searched the surrounding area. However,
no one had seen or heard from him. Two days later,
on October twenty second, they notified police. The sheriff referenced
a case of a nine year old boy from Stanley,
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North Dakota, who had been molested in July nineteen sixty two.
The offender had not been caught. The autopsy confirmed Larry
had been sexually molested and strangled. A comparison of dental
records confirmed his identity. It's believed that the body had
land at the spot where it was found since December
nineteen sixty two. According to police, Larry Joe Phoebus was
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known to hitchhike between Ray and Tioga, but never further
than thirty miles. A year went by, and newspapers noted
that the murder was still insolved and little was being
done about it. Sheriff Leroy Lutz. Leroy Lutz SAI of
two major suspects that one had not been interrogated because
he could not be found. The other was in Alaska
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and an Alaska mental institution, and the state attorney said
that for undisclosed reasons, this man could be discounted. Sheriff
Flootz thought the person might have been a transient, but
he also worried for the children in the town if
the murderer was a local man. In November nineteen sixty three,
Montana authorities considered a connection with the Phoebus murder and
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the knife slaying of signay Aka Stormy Timberman, aged eight,
and the sex slaying of two other children. Timberman was
stabbed but not raped. On January sixteenth, nineteen sixty four, seventeen,
Robert Lee Rollins, aged seventeen, was sentenced to life imprisonment
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after pleading guilty to first degree murder the death of
Stormy Timberman. In June nineteen sixty three, Deborah the mariahs
five was found dead in a railway yard in Glendive, Montana.
The child had been sleeping with her stepfather, mother and
a two year old brother along the railroad tracks after
coming to Glendive on a freight train from Missoula. Fortransients
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were questioned since the family had stopped in a hobo camp. However,
her murder was never sald. Larry's early life seemed to
have been turbulent. His father, Robert Phoebus, had gone to
prison for forgery in the nineteen fifties during his early childhood,
and his parents divorced in nineteen fifty eight. I write
a post from December twenty twenty one reported the following quote. So,
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my grandmother was friends with him, Larry Phoebus. I'm from Tioga,
and he had his generals cut off, and I believe
that is how they decided he was sexually molested. Sorry,
I know there is an old thread, but my grandma
talks about him from time to time. End quote. Larry's
parents outlived at least three other children, Donald who died
when he was a year old in nineteen forty four, Larry,
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who was murdered in nineteen sixty and even Chester, the
older brother, passed away in nineteen ninety six. So both
of the parents outlived at least three of their children.
Larry Phoebus's murder has never been solved. Larry's body was
found only twenty miles from the scene of a tragedy
where family of six were slaughtered in nineteen thirty. The
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Haven family family members were Albert fifty, Lulia thirty nine,
Daniel eighteen, Leland fourteen, Charles two, and Mary two months old.
They had lived on the farm for more than ten years.
The last time they were seen alive was February ninth,
nineteen thirty. Charles Bannon worked as a hired hand for
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the Havens and stayed on the land after the family disappeared.
He told those who came looking for the Havens that
he had rented the place since the family decided to
leave the area. James Bannon came to join his son
at the farm. Together, they worked the land and took
care of the livestock. In October nineteen thirty, Bannon started
selling the farm property and crops. James Bannon left, saying
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he was trying to find the Haven family. By then,
the neighbors had become suspicious. On December one, nineteen thirty,
Bannon Senior wrote a letter telling his son to watch
a step end quote, do what is right end quote.
A December second, nineteen thirty, handwriting experts were examining a
letter Bannon's claims was written by Daniel Haven, the oldest
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boy of the family. Bannon said it was mailed from Colton, Oregon.
It seemed authorities weren't convinced about the welfare of the family.
The handwriting would be compared to Daniel Bannon's school papers
father Way since his graduation from the eighth grade two
years before. Authorities compared written statements by Bannon, and they
had the same misspelled words as the letter from Oregon.
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Police were holding him on a charge of embezzling four
hogs from the missing landlord. A check had been made
with the police in Oregon, and there was no knowledge
of the family being there. There was also no reference
to the box number mister Haven had supposedly left as
a return address. Authorities had good reason to suspect felt play,
since besides their abrupt disappearance, insurance policies were allowed to
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lapse and taxes go unpaid. It became known that Harold Semple,
a farmer near Schaeffer, had tried to cash a check
made out to Bannon, but the account was closed. Bannon
had not tried to straighten the matter out, claiming that
he believed mister Haven would give him the money due
once he returned. He united embezzling the pigs, and some
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week he sold saying under the agreement made with Bannon
that belonged to him. Authorities were also looking for James Bannon,
his father, who had driven to the West Coast earlier
in the year with Williston Hughes youth. The young man
returned to North Dakota and said the elder Bannon disappeared
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without leaving any word. When they reached Portland, Oregon, the
police were decided this was a case where the family
had been murdered or they were saved by but not
notifying authorities. Adding credence to the theory that they had
left of their own free will, was a rumor that
Missus Haven suffered from a mental disorder and that her
attacks had become more severe in late years. Relatives said
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that mister Haven would not have gone this long without
communicating with him. A mattress was found in Cherry Creek,
two miles from the Haven farm. It was recovered from
a frozen stream by a deputy sheriff and was sent
off to find out if there was any bloodstains on
it and if it was tied to the murder. Bannon
gave a statement to the deputy sheriff admitting to the murder,
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but claimed it was a stranger who had instigated the act.
By the end of December, James F. Bannon was extradited
back from Morgan to North Dakota. He was found that
an auto camp with newly bought groceries. Police Bolivia's planning
to live in the camp sites around the area and
stay out of the towns. Charles Bannon gave a second
confession to his attorneys and his mother that it all
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started with the accidental shooting of the eldest child after
they quarreled about chores. He was forced to kill Leland, Lullia,
and Albert in self defense. Four bodies were buried less
than a hundred feet from the farm home inside the barn.
The other two bodies were buried a few miles away
in an old Indian burial grave on his mother's farm.
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Bannon spoke of having nightmares about the murder. In one,
Missus Haven was standing over him with a knife. He
said that he would lock the house door at night
because he was afraid, since it seemed that people were
always peeping in through the window. Another night he dreamed.
He dreamt a snake got in through a hole somewhere,
and when it came in the house, it changed into
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a man who looked like Haven. The figure came and
stood over him and stared at him a long time.
In January nineteen thirty one, the rifle Bannon used to
shoot the Haven family he was found the stuck. The
stock of the gun was under the eaves of a
bunk house, and a part of the barrel was on
top of a chicken house. Bannon said he broke the
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gun when he struck Missus Haven over the head. Charles
Bannon wrote a final confession in January nineteen thirty one,
where he told the whole truth, in which he killed
the whole family after the accidental shooting, not in self
defense but because he was scared. He said he had
acted alone. He shot the entire family except the baby,
which he beat to death. On the night of January
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twenty eighth or twenty ninth, a crowd of men with
masks came looking for Bannon. There were seventy five men
and at least fifteen cars. The mob took the sheriff
away from the jail. They battered the front door down
and overpowered the deputy. The men took Bannon to the
Haven Farm, planning to hang him where the family died,
but a caretaker ordered him off the property, threatening to
shoot any who did not leave. From there, they took
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him to the bridge over Cherry Creek, a half month
from the jail. He was pushed over the side of
the bridge. Charles Bannon was buried in Riverside Cemetery in Williston,
and even present day, his grave remains unmarked. Investigation of
the hanging noted the news had been tied by someone
with expert knowledge. The governor had ordered an investigator had
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ordered investigators to get to the bottom of the hanging,
but at the end it was concluded it would be
impossible to identify any of the members of the mob.
James Bannon escaped being lynched, but was tried for the murders.
His trial was moved to another county, where he was
convicted and sentenced to life in prison. He was released
on parole in nineteen fifty, when he was seventy six
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years old. Present day Schaeffer's a ghost town with just
a few buildings left. In nineteen sixty eight, Dono Micheleenko
mysteriously disappeared from Keith, North Dakota. Falblay was suspected, but
her body was never found and she still considered a
missing person. At the same time she disappeared, her dog
was found shot dead and set an abandoned Lutheran church
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among the sparse and poorly populated fields of North Dakota.
No doubt killers can be found. And that's the whole point.
When you read these towns, these areas, there was very
little people, There was not that many people, and you
get not just murder, but very heinous murder. Who took place?
So it's like, okay, now let's go the real modern times.
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This is out of Dogo News and it's titled the
Mystery of the boat Ramming. Iberian Orcas, says twenty twenty.
Young Iberian orcas, from a critically endangered subpopulation of fewer
than forty individuals, have been ramming and even sinking boats
in the Atlantic Ocean. These incidents typically occur off the
coast of Spain Portugal in France during spring and summer.
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This is when the killer whales migrate to the area
in search of food. The latest series of attacks occurred
on September thirteenth, twenty twenty five, when two boats were
targeted on the same day around twelve thirty pm local time,
a tourist yacht near Lisbon, Portugal, sank after being struck repeatedly.
All five people on board were rescued by nearby boats.
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Shortly afterwards, the orcs rammed and damaged another boat roughly
twelve miles away. The four individuals aboard were safely rescued
and the vessel was later towed back to shore. Researchers
are not entirely sure of the reason for the orcas behavior.
Some initially suggested that they might be seeking revenge on
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the boats. However, the idea was quickly dismissed and make
twenty twenty four group of scientists attributed the strange behavior
to boredom. In the past, the orcas main food source,
the Atlantic bluefin tuna, was hard to find, tho whales
spent most of their time hunting. With plenty of tuna
now available, the young orcas have more time for playful activities.
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In September twenty twenty four, scientists at the Bottle nosed
Dauphin Research Institute in Spain shared another idea. They think
young orcas may be using boats to practice their hunting skills.
Bruno diaslope Is, the institute's chief biologists, said that even
though tuna are plentiful, they are hard to catch. The
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fish can go up to ten feet long and weigh
hundreds of pounds. They also swim in big groups and
move very fast. To catch one, orca takes turns ramming
a tuna until it's separated from the group. Maybe one
orca hits and then another one hits again. Diazlopez explained.
One separated, the orcs chase in exhaustive fish, then they
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push it towards shallower water where it becomes easier to catch.
The Researchers believe sailboats are ideal for this type of practice.
They move swiftly and quietly, much like tuna. This is
like a training toy. Diislopez said, it's a shame that
we humans are in the middle of this game, but
they are learning to avoid encounter. Scientists suggesting away from
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areas where orcas are seen, making loud, banging noises near
the boat may also scare them. Boat owners can also
make their vest is less appealing. For example, placing smooth
rudders with rougher ones could make the boat less fun
for the orcst to play with. At least you hope
that they're playing. Let's remember, orgust are meat eaters, they're predators.
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Maybe they don't want to play. Maybe they're like, we
don't want to know. We want humans never know a
strange world out there. So I will be back soon
you guys with some more strange and unusual story. Till
next time, Take care,