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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody, This is Marlene with eerie News. And today
it's a good day for weird and earing news because
of course there's always plenty of it. First stop is
going to be at Stranger than Fiction Stories, and first
one's titled The Dark Side of Human Nature. In April
nineteen seventy nine, doctor Earl S. Patterson spoke of Connecticut's

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Meridian Public Library's Literary Lunch Box, a program that featured
speakers from the book world. He was promoting his book
series Case Books from Health, Psychiatry, and the Occult. In
nineteen sixty two, doctor Patterson was appointed Assistant superintendent of
Undercliffe Hospital. He had been a consultant there since nineteen
fifty eight. Originally known as a Meriden Sanatorium, it opened

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in nineteen ten, and in nineteen eighteen it was dedicated
to treating children with tuberculosis, German measles, chicken pox, and smallpox.
By the nineteen fifties, it became part of the Department
of Mental Health, and she changed his names to Undercliffe Senatorium,
then Undercliff State Hospital. In nineteen seventy six, it closed down.

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Starting in twenty thirteen, was demolished to make way for
a Juanole court House. The series presented by doctor Patterson
dealt with the occult relationship to his profession, which was psychiatry,
and no doubt some of the cases were drawn from
his years at Undercliff. It was a subject which at
that time he was quoted as saying, quote, I spent

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a sleepless night before coming here. The occult is something
that I don't like to dwell upon these days. When
I started in nineteen fifty six, I was at Connecticut
Valley Hospital, I ran across some cases that were from
the Middle Ages end quote. Possession of people by supernatural
entities dates back to the ancient world, where they could

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be seen as oracles or epilepsy was interpreted as being
touched by the gods. In the Middle Ages, it was
seen as something of a darker bent, where the manifestations
were proof of being under the sway of the devil.
Belief in sorcery was investigated by the Inquisition, much like
what happened that sixteen ninety two witch trials overseen by
the Puritans in Salem, Massachusetts. According to doctor Patterson, the

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latest possession epidemic was connected to the film The Exorcist,
released in theaters in nineteen seventy three. He described that
in his town he saw five cases of people who
believed they were possessed. Across the country, psychiatrist saw approximately
fifty thousand people. For the same reason, he didn't believe
the reports were publicity stunned and that they were accurate.

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Doctor Patterson had recently finished the book, composed of a
ten volume series titled Case Books from Health, Psychiatry and
the Occult. The first to be issued was titled Possession.
He found that when he first brought his book to
a publisher, it wasn't accepted because quote it presented the
darker side of what happens to people who get involved

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in the occult. He claimed that pushing the occult through film, books,
and television was a multimillion dollar business. According to doctor Patterson,
those who benefited from these projects didn't see the human
wreckage they create involvement in the occult resulting in people mutilating, killing,
and torturing their children, or being committed to institutions after

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their mental stability had been damaged. He said. Quote. Someone
connected with the Vatican once described secret Satanic groups as
occult playboy clubs. I don't like this attitude or handling
this lightly because these clubs with secret rituals can lead
to killings end quote. Doctor Patterson specified that all cults

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were dangerous as he had come across reports of murders
committed by cult members. The massacre that happened in Jonestown
in nineteen seventy eight, according to him, came as no surprise.
It was predicted by sum since nineteen seventy four. It
wasn't only psychiatrists who saw the wreckage of participation in
cult but police and coroners also saw the results. He

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provided an in depth analysis of the murders of Ross
Cochrane seventeen, who was killed in a Satanic ritual in
nineteen seventy three, and Daytona Beach that same year. It
was noted that after Herbert Mullins and Kemper, both serial killers,
had been arrested for multiple slangs in California, the authority

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still had unsolved killings discovered in January and February, and
involved two female co eds from UC Santa Cruz and
two from Cabrillo College at Aptos. They were ritually beheaded
by a California cult and their bodies were left on
a deserted beach near Highway one oh one. A third
was dismembered. Doctor Patterson presented cases of individuals who had

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been psychologically disturbed by dabbling in the occult. All the
cases dated before nineteen sixty five. He said the reason
for this precaution was that he didn't want to be
sued or killed. He described to a man wrote a
book about Manson and other California cults, including Oto, which
was founded by Aleister Crowley. The unnamed author disappeared, never

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to be seen again. Another example he gave was an
acquaintance who was investigating satanic cult activity in Boston. The
person disappeared was found in Florida, decomposing inside the trunk
of an abandoned car in twenty twenty five, and articles
written surrounding the mystery of why Joan Didion abandoned her
book about the Manson family and the murders at Ciello Drive. Luckily,

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for the other writers immersed in the Manson world, some
of whom were buying dead bolts for their doors, Didion's
book with Kassabian did not ultimately come to fruition. As
I've researched my own book and progress about coverage of
the Manson Saga. I've been flummoxed by the reasons behind
Didion's apparent abandonment of the book, which had commanded a

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substantial monetary advance and received its own wave of media attention.
What journalists would give up that sort of covet exclusive.
When others questioned Didian throughout the nineteen seventies about the
project's fate, she often gave vague responses. Members of the
Manson family were reportedly smugged that she had walked away,

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convinced that their intimidation efforts against other journalists may have
done the trick with her too. Doctor Patterson clarified that
even in the Meridian area where he lived, there were
Satanic groups and persons who will lead their possessed caution,
he advised, should be practiced if an individual decided to
join a secret organization. Cults and Satanism were dangerous, and

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potential members sometimes didn't know the entire truth about who
and what they're getting involved with. His book was compiled
from thirty two hundred pages of notes and newspaper clippings
gathered from nineteen fifty six to nineteen sixty five to
gain a modern perspective, He contacted persons currently involved in
occult practices. This resulted in nine hundred hours worth of

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tape interviews. The next hurdle was getting the book printed.
According to doctor Patterson, there were regular setbacks that one
encounters while publishing a book. But then he described where quote,
tape recorders refused to run, three type is quit, and
one went into an impatient treatment for a problem that
was related to the material she was typing. End quote,

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expensive copy setting machines that had cost sixty five hundred
dollars each broke down all three of them. At the
completion of the project, he claimed he was left with
a sickness of the soul and after this avoided cases
involving occult related problems. He told the audience, quote, it
makes me sick. It makes me sick to be talking

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to you about it right now. I couldn't even read
a newspaper for a while afterward, because they were littered
with accounts of this sort of thing. It was a
kind of depression, physical and emotional. Although my mind seemed
to be working properly. It was sort of a taste
of evil that removed you slightly from the world. It
was like a layer of clouds that always between me

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and the sunshine. There is evil that goes beyond the
control of men. It sets events and motions that go
beyond them. When it goes beyond anything man can control,
they are engulfed or sickened by it. End quote. The
year before doctor Patterson made his presentation, more than nine
hundred adults and children ended their lives. In November nineteen

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seventy eight, members of the People's Temple and Guyana were
part of a ritual suicide at the cult Jungle Commune.
Reverend Jim Jones was the one who orchestrated the mass
deaths and also the ambush and slaughter of U. S.
Congressman Leo Ryan and four Americans that accompanied him. Death
was delivered by drinking a cyanide potion, and parents killed
their own children. Jones was found shot to death, a

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likely but not proven suicide. Even today, the question remains
how many took the drink voluntarily or were forced by
armed guards before ending up in Guyana. In June nineteen
seventy seven, Jones started his cult in Indiana, then moved
to San Francisco. He forced donations from his members and
beat them for minor transgressions. He raped both male and

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female followers. At the peak of the temple's activities in California,
Jones claimed he had a following of twenty thousand. He
advertised a church as a Christian movement employing moral force
to deal with man made problems, but the main message
embedded in his diatribes was anti establishment. Previous to the
ambush of Leo Ryan, I'm sorry. Previous to the ambush,

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Leo Ryan met with Jones and interviewed many of his followers.
Not surprisingly, some families and several individuals asked to leave
with Ryan, while others apparently left on foot on their own.
Jones was not happy there were too many people to
fit into one plane, but Ryan feared for anyone left behind,
so he waited for a second plane to arrive. As

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Ryan's plane was taking off, a dump truck from jones
townue came on the scene, which included several armed men.
They opened fire on one plane. Occultist named Larry Layton
on board. The other plane pulled out a gun and
began shooting. Stephen Kasarses of Yucaiah, who had accompanied rhiin
since his daughter Maria was living at the Temple escaped.

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He was at a hotel in Georgetown with nine others
who had traveled to Guiana with a delegation. A pilot
was also able to escape. He described where he was
fired upon, and this is when Ryan was mortally wounded. Layton,
the only member of the People's Temple tried in the
US for criminal acts that Jonestown, was ultimately extradited, convicted,
and sentenced to life from prison. Perhaps what doctor Patterson

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had observed in some cases was the effects of demonic possession.
These inmates ended up inside an asylum, hopefully before they
committed horrible acts. However, in the case of the People's Temple,
their leader fled to another country. It is undeniable that
evil orchestrated so much death and destruction using Jim Jones
and some of his followers as vehicles. So I found

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this really interesting because remember around the time of the
nineteen seventies when the exorsies, the Omen the movies, which
is a series of Rosemary's Baby, all these horror movies
turned really dark, and basically was he's describing is nobody
wanted to publish his materials was excuse, you're going to

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scare the occultist or the people that might get involved
with it, you know, like, no, let's and remember he's
he's not making a fictionalized or anything. He his credibility
if he's rewriting these books, these case books, which apparently
he is going to be ten. The first one be Possessions,
coming from a doctor of psychiatry who had been for

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at least a couple of decades treating people. In other words,
there was depth. And again these are this is not fiction,
this was true life. He's drawing on his notes and
he even inter in other words, if this guy put
out that book, there was nobody's gonna say, well, I
think you exactly. No, no, no, they didn't want to.
They didn't want to publish the truth of what getting

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involved in these cults and organizations or witchcraft or cults,
especially because maybe people that were teeter tottering a mental illness,
there they go. And but besides that, the feeling that
you get is that he felt like there was something

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supernatural involved in it. And I think even when he's
describing that he's putting his paperwork together for this book,
that he had the three women transcribe it, and one
ends up I think that when when he was compiling
it all these notes, it's like you really don't pay
attention to it, you know, you it's it's gradually over years,

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and maybe you put that case away and you get
you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna use this down
the road. But then I think when he sat there
along with the lady or whoever was assisting him, and
actually looked at this stuff and listened to maybe some
of the like he's it got sick and there was
like something that it did, you know, as far as

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like being in listening to that over no, you know,
different versions of it in other words. So I found
this very interesting. And by the way, if you try
to find copies of his book, it can't be found
anywhere none el zero, el zippo. And I'm not talking
about out of print. You cannot find it. So there

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you go, very very interesting, very mysterious all right now.
And by the way, this was I believe his uh,
his first attempt was to even get it published out
of a I think a publishing house out of California.

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Everybody thinks, you know California, you know, I was, you know,
real like open about this stuff, like so it goes
to show you. I mean, when you read more of it,
it sounds like he you know, when you go like
from publishing house to publishing house to publishing house, and

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I don't know if the word got out, like no,
I don't know. That's it was a weird it's a
weird story by and of course he's passed away by now.
But anyway, next story, also out of strangers in fiction stories,
is titled Deadly Superstitions All right now. Many people believe

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the practice of humans sacrifice was found only in ancient
and superstitious civilizations. How are this belief is not exactly accurate.
The custom of ritually sacrificing humans is described as controversial,
when in reality it's quite bloodthirsty. In nineteen eighty nine,
Patrick Tierney released his book The Highest Altar, where he

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detailed the history of human sacrifice seen through the lenses
of the belief system of different cultures. In nineteen fifty four,
a well preserved ink and child, estimated to be eight
years old, was found on cetro Et blomon Ner, Santiago, Chile.
Examination found the child was killed five hundred years before
and became known as the Boy of Edblomo. The conditions

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where he was buried in a three foot deep pit
assured his excellent preservation. It was determined he was a
victim of ritual child's sacrifice. The cause of death was
suffocation due to being buried alive. There was vomit on
his lips and clothing, indicating he might have been drugs
so he would not fight being covered with dirt. He
also defecated on himself. His clothing, jewelry, and grave goods

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indicated he held an elevated social status. There were several
balls made from animal intestines containing human hair, finger nail clippings,
and teeth. These items were connected to the appeasement of
mountain deities to avert natural disasters. Rodrio and Nanda Sprincipe
was a seventeenth century Spanish chronicler in the Andes who

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documented local practices, including the sacrifice of a young girl
and the identification of a sacred structure called an Ilahousi
or house of the Sacred Stone. His writings provide historical
accounts of indigenous traditions and locations in the region. This
ceremony involving ritual human sacrifices known as Cappacocha and children

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are the ones killed. As estimated, there may be hundreds
of Inca children that were left in icy graves at
the highest peaks. A quote written by Hernandez Sprincipei, referring
to Kapacocha described quote, they sent Gaui Paxa to Chile
to be sacrificed, and munet Karwat to Titicaca. End quote.
It's not certain if the child of eliicerro Blomo is

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indeed Gaui pachs Paxa. The ritual of Kapacocha covered four
regions for each direction, and each village would send one
or two between the ages of three and fifteen to
be sacrificed. The children traveled on what was known as
the Royal Road or the Inca Road, to the capitol
at Kusco. The children had to be free of the

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facts and Incam priests would receive them. They would preside
over the sacrifice of animals and the symbolic marriage of
boys and girls. The intended victims would spend some time
in Cousco before being returned to their homes. The priest
and a delegation would take the child in a straight
line across difficult terrain to their village. The child be

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given a full meal and chicha to make them drunk
before being taken to where they were buried alive. Present day,
about one hundred and fifteen Inca sites have been found
that over fifteen thousand feet throughout the Andes, some as
high as twenty three thousand feet. Many of these sacrifices
are near trans mountain roads at and A discovery of

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a young boy in Mount Agonkaka uno Agonkawa in nineteen
eighty five is close to a path which follows the
present round of an international highway that links Argentina and Chile.
A Spanish soldier who witnessed sacrifices in fifteen fifty one
described that quote many boys and girls were sacrificed in pairs,

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being buried alive and well dressed and adormed items that
a married Indian would possess end quote. Non local material
found with the children suggest they were turned over as
tribute from across the Inca empire. This indicates Capacocha served
not only as a religious function, but reinforced social countrol
and instilled fear of the Inca's authority. The public display

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of sacrifice, masked as appeasement of deities, served as social
engineering of the populace to assure the loyalty of those
conquered by the Inca. Tyrany's research into human sacrifices found
these practices had not been eliminated, only gone underground. The
reasons for the rituals performed by priests and witches are
for deification of the victim, appeasing gods and natural forces,

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using human blood as payment, blood being the life force.
He wrote, blood sacrifice is the oldest and most universal
act of piety. During his research, mostly in Chile, Argentina
and Peru, Tyranny spoke to practitioners of human sacrifice. Francisco
Nunez de Pineida e Bascunjang, who was captured in sixteen

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twenty nine by the Mapuche Indians, spent seven months as
their prisoner. In sixteen seventy three, he wrote a chronicle
of his experiences when one instance, he described machi as
witches who cured with the aid of demons. Mariluisa Namuncura Aniell,
a forty five year old Mapuche Indian known as a

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sorceress at Lagobuti, worked among the Laquenchies, a community within
the Mapuches. She had the sick brought to her for
cures and performed exorcisms. Machijuana was also suspected of sacrificing
Jose Luis Binicure and Ni eighteen sixty and put Do
saveda Chile in a ritual known as guillatun. This sacrifice

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occurred on June fifth, after the nineteen sixty earthquake and
tsunami in May. The child's strot was slit and he
was dismembered while alive. His still beating heart was ripped
out and his intestines were thrown into the sea. In
one version, his torso was staked on the beach, which
the waves eventually claimed. In another version, it was cast
into the sea from a cliff overlooking the Pacific Ocean.

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Chile Vision interviewed Amapuche Indian who survived the earthquake event,
and when asked why this specific child was chosen, he
said that Jsse Luis was an orphan. There is no
mention made of the father, and his mother worked in
Santiago in order to make some money. Jose's mother rose
up by an acur antonia. Sao left him in the
care of her father, Juan Jose Paricuur. The child's own

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grandfather handed him over to be sacrificed, even when the
child pleaded with him to be saved. Other Machis were
sacrificing animals that had survived the cataclysm, but the natives
believed this would not be enough. The newspapers of the
day described there was violent dancing and drinking of awadi
ended before the ritual. The entire community was present when
the child was killed. After the earthquake, Rosa returned to

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Coilifu Coliliufu Poetosa Vedra was told by her father the
boy had been sacrificed to appease the gods of water.
She went to the police and her father, Makos Kuminao,
and Machijuana Namugura were arrested. Her testimony, as well as
interviews and reports then as recently as twenty twenty three,
persevered the story preserved I'm sorry the story. Despite the

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loss of official judicial records. It was rumored the judge
who presided over the trial the child's death feared the Machi,
which is why the case was not handled as a murder.
Five members of the community were accused and arrested for
the act. Only Machijuana was found not guilty. The other four,
including the boy's grandfather who had confessed to the crime,
then recanted and served only two years. The judge ruled

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they quote acted without free will, driven by an irresistible
natural force of ancestral tradition end quote. In nineteen fifty nine,
Alberto Medina and Francisco Rees, anthropologists from the University of
Chile toured de la f Guenchie communities in the area
of Lake Bouti. At the time, the communities were considered
very backward, and one of them wrote, quote they did

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not know bread and only ate seaweed, fish and shellfish
end quote. Many of them did not speak Spanish either.
In a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Hoste Luis panic Yure,
the researchers, in a public exhibition warned that if any
unusual natural disaster took place, ancestral ceremonial customs still present

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in the memory of the inhabitants, including belief in human sacrifice,
would emerge. When Medina Erees learned that the sacrificer returned
to Potosales and interviewed the detainees in a small jail
cell where they were being held. Gumi now told them
he recalled a legend that said when they were great disasters,
it was necessary to sacrifice a white and blonde girl.

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Medina interpreted this to be an albinded boy, not necessarily
a girl. Machi Juana said the blood of animals calms
the spirit, but but that afterwards she had a vision
that required human sacrifice like in ancient times, and the
entire community knows that. The anthropologist said that Machi did
not show any emotion concerning her act, only that she

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planned to preach they need to sacrifice the child to
please the gods. After misfortune or natural disaster struck again.
The grandfather, who only spoke Spanish, said, I loved my
grandson very much. He was my most beloved grandson. How
could I not love him if he was the one
who took care of my cattle. I had raised a
little money to send my daughter to Concepcion to work

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and improve her life. I was not there when they
took to child. I don't know what happened. I loved
very much. I loved him very much. When Alice, who
took his grandson, he said by none the one who
known as the one eyed man because his right eye
was missing. Soon after bay Nyang was arrested for carrying
out the ceremony out on La Messa Hill on the seashore,

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rose upon Akure stated she did not believe her father
and that he was the one who took the boy
to La Messa Hill. She was deceived so much so
that she said, I couldn't talk to him. I had
him in prison. I reported him. She said her pain
would never be erased and that her forgiveness would continue
to be a forbidden word in her soul. I didn't

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forgive them. They all died of old age. Rosa never
remarried or had other children. Patrick Tierney found that, like
the sacrifice in nineteen sixty, children, young virgins, and others
would be ritually killed to assure narco traffickers would get
their drugs through businessmen could make successful investment, and villagers

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would be protected from now disasters. Where once the native
sacrificed to mountain gods, the belief had morphed into asking
these gods to protect drugs. Smugly, he tracked down one
of the most master killers, known as Maximo Goa which
was an alias who was a wandering Yetiti or shaman.
His main patrons were the most superstitious of the drug bosses.

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Tierney found evidence that South American cocaine growers engaged a
human sacrifice in order to exert social control over the
coca growers, who were mostly literate and depending on drug
money for sustenance. Tierney convinced Goa that he needed a
sacrifice to lift the curse from a gold mine he owned.
He recalled quote, Maximo told me how he prepared victims

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for the sacrificial ceremony. He gets girls high with wine, cocaine,
and pure alcohol. Then he prays to the mountain gods
that the girl be taken on the condition that money, riches,
and safety were guaranteed end quote. He might go on
a mountaintop where he called loft of ceremony, saying he'd
been brought bought out by an American mining corporation at
a large profit to himself. In nineteen sixty five, and

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Mina Allave and her infant daughter was sacrificed in Peru
near Lake Di Dikaka. The remains were dismembered and scattered
among the lake shore Maximokoa confessed to the sacrifice, claiming
he wished to pay the devil in a bid for
personal prosperity. He was sentenced to six years in prison. However,
he continued as a ritual killer through the nineteen eighties,
with at least seven to twelve victims linked to him.

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In February nineteen ninety issue of Omni magazine, which Tyranny
was a reporter for, it carried a quote from Maximokoa
quote if a person comprehends, if he's really convinced and
has enough faith to carry out a human sacrifice, only
then does good luck really come to him, cars, houses, everything,
end quote. The seventy four year old Aimata Indian besided

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the explanation without hesitation or remorse. He described cutting his
victim's throats, filling a goblet with their blood, and presenting
to the patron of the sacrifice. He also offered it
to his wife or girlfriend as well. He was proud
of having taken so many lives and sacrificial ceremonies. In
twenty eighteen, evidence was on earth in Peru's northern coast

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that more than one hundred and forty children and two
hundred young Yama lamas were sacrifice on a bluff just
one thousand feet from the Pacific Ocean. This took place
around fifteen seventy eighty, when the Chimu Empire held sway
over this stretch of the coastline. This area, known as
Las Yamas, came to attention in twenty eleven when forty

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two children and seventy seven lamas were discovered. The remains
emerged from nearby coastal dunes, close to where a thirty
five hundred year old temple was being excavated. By the
end of twenty sixteen, one hundred and forty children and
two hundred lamas were unearthed. The children, both boys and girls,
had their facesmeared with red cinnabar pigment and their chests

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were cut open, most likely to take out their hearts.
The juvenile lamas were treated the same. The children ranged
in nature from five to fourteen. The lamas were less
than eighteen months old. It appears they were all killed
in a single event. Some of the children had cranial modification,
indicating they were gathered from different areas conquered by the Chimu.
By twenty twenty one, archaeologists had on Earth a total

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of two hundred and sixty nine children, four hundred and
sixty six lamas and three adults. It is considered the
largest mass sacrifice of children to date in the archaeological record.
There was cataclysmic event that perhaps has lived in people's
memory for thousands of years. In ancient times, Chile's Arakama
Desert was a scene of a powerful earthquake and tsunami

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that erased the populace along the coastline. Sapateo was in
an ancient community in northern Chile dating back four thousand years.
The populace built stone houses atop shell mounds that opened
into patios. The dead were buried beneath the floor of
the house. Geological evidence points to a conjoined as oz
outer of an earthquake and tsunami. Testing of these uplifted

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chunks are dated to about thirty eight hundred years ago,
approximately eighteen hundred BC. The disaster that struck the area
was of epic proportions. The rupture stretched along the fault
systems with a Nasca plate slid under the South American plate.
The earthquake was estimated at a nine point five megathrust
that shoved the parts of the coastline upward and triggered

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a tsunami almost a mile high along a stretch of
the Chilean coast that extended across the Pacific and New Zealand.
This event was comparable in magnitude to one that was
recorded in Valdivia, Chile in nineteen sixty. The study suggests
the possibility of another earthquake occurring once again off the
coast of northern Chile, and the only thing that can

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be done is to prepare an order to reduce risk.
The people who lived in this area had no choice
but to abandon their homes. The effects of the earthquake, tsunami,
and an arid desert at their back gave them no choice.
It's unknown if this could be explained skeletons and mummies
found in the Ata Kama Desert that show evidence of
a surge of extreme violence. The remains of one hundred

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and ninety four people were examined. They lived between one
thousand BC and six hundred AD, and the violence was
directed of both men and women. It wasn't just death,
but torture that was perpetrated against the victims. One woman
appears to have been tortured the skin on her face
was stretched so much that her mouth was pulled high
above its natural position. This was likely an intentional act,

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occurring at the time of death when the skin was
still fresh and causing deep agony. The ata Kama Desert
is the driest desert in the world outside antarcticle. Less
than half an inch of rainfalls there. However, people have
lived here for approximately twelve thousand years. However, when the
tsunami destroyed lives and houses, even the largest of the
ocean could erase the memory of the devastation. Researchers examined

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remains of people discovered in six cemeteries and the Atakama's
Azappa Valley hundred and ninety four adults. Twenty one percent
or forty individuals had trauma as a result of violence,
or fifty percent had had trauma, but others were injured
in both their head and body. Surprisingly, not all the
trauma resulted in death, and over fifty percent there were

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signs of healing, especially if the individual was younger. One
woman had both a healed and unhealed trauma, in the
case she had been attacked more than once. It's unknown
if this violence came as a result for competition for farming, land, food,
and other resources. Where these slaves that were regularly regularly
beaten and attacked. One male had a projectile stone point

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embedded in his left lung. Others had been mutilated. One
man appeared to have intentionally had his leg bones and
toes on his left foot fractured. Sixty nine were examined
for their origins, and twenty six were native to the
Aka Kama Desert, but the rest were not. The woman
with a mutilated face came from what is now southern Peru.
So there you go. And it's very interesting because obviously

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whether it's the Chimu or the Inca or whatever, they
they didn't only sacrifice anybody, children or anybody even without
a natural disaster. This was part of their civilization. But
I guess when things got really bad, like a disaster
and which and usually when, like they say, like even

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when they did those capacochas, the ones that carried out
these ceremonies were like special people's priests from Kusko, from
like the capital, and these children would be brought like
down the Inca road. In other words, they were prepared
because they were going to be sacrificed when something goes

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as badly as it did. We're not talking about specialized priests.
You know, you had the local I don't know what
to call them, which doctors or whatever. They were shamans.
They were the ones doing the killing. And and you know,
for all the times that they've accused the Conquista Doors
of Spanish Conquista Doors of exaggerating the stories that they wrote,

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the people that chronicle like, of seeing all these sacrifices
in mest So America, turns out that they were right,
that they were saying the truth. You know, people are saying, oh,
they're trying to make the natives that live there look bad,
and it's like, no, this was actually happening. And and
unfortunately it seemed that even like in nineteen sixty, I

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mean there's and now I think it's absolutely right. I
think it's not as common, but I think it does
has gone underground at some point, unfortunately, And even this
one and and this thing where he's the tyrann is
describing where they're doing sacrifices to make sure drug smugglers

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get their drugs through. Of course they are, it's true.
They they're they're they're they are superstitious and uh to them.
You know, they really don't care if oh, you mean
have to sacrifice a kid or yeah, just make sure
my drug gets through all right. Next story also out

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of stranger than fiction stories. Now this story, you know,
it also has a flavor of you want to call
you could say, well, this is mental illness, but also
has a flavor of seduction by evil or the dark side,
whatever you want to call it. But anyway, this is

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titled in Search of the Sun God. Leonard Carl Humphrey
thirty five wanted to be more of an Indian than
he was. According to Larry Wickham, a policeman who was
once his business partner, he was maybe one eighth Apache,
but he often tried to pass himself off. It's full blooded.
He was very proud of his Indian blood. However, with Humphrey,

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his pride turn it into an obsession, especially with an
Apache son god named Santos, which in Spanish translates to
Saint Okay. This is September twenty ninth, nineteen sixty nine.
Leonard Karl Humphrey was a Korean War veteran and a
former Lorraine County sewer plant operator. He long he along
with his wife Laurel thirty and their three children were

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found shot to death in a single bed in their
trailer and what police believed was the murder's suicide. A
well written, elaborate note was found in the trailer describing
that the family was going to the land of Santos,
the Apache Sun God, because there was so much sin
in the world. But the positioning of the bodies. By
the positioning of the bodies, police determined that Laurel Humphrey
shot each of her children with a twenty two caliber rifle,

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shot her husband at the base of the skull, and
then herself in the mouth. Leonard eight, Dawned seven, and
Shane six were wearing their pajamas. The children knew what
was going to happen and were looking forward to seeing Santos.
Police said, based on the information found at the crime scene,
Humphrey was dressed only in janes. The note also gave

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instructions for the funeral and their burier clothes were laid out.
They wanted a certain note to be buried in their
wolf tooth necklaces. The crime was committed after a party
in the trailer park where they lived. I'm sorry. The
crime was committed after a party in their trailer park
where they lived, broke up early on Monday morning. According
to a Tucson police detective, four persons who attended the

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party witness the note in which Humphrey tried to explain
the deaths. One detective said one girl said she signed
up believing that Humphrey was serious and she thought it
was beautiful. The couple also left a will. When injuried
by the police, the witnesses said they didn't believe the
couple would carry out the plan. One of them, Robert Shelton,
twenty six, was the one who found the dead family

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the next day. The one page letter, handwritten by Leonard Humphrey,
was signed by both parents. They blamed the warm Vietnam
and turmoil in the world for the deaths. It read quote,
the clothes we wished to be buried in are in
the back bedroom. Also we wished to wear our wolf
tooth necklaces. We do what we wish to do. Do
not wipe the dust off my boots, as it is

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the dust of the land. I love to many. We
may be fools for what we do, but remember it
is you who will be wet in the rain made
cold by the winter's wind, and be baked when the
sun is full in the summer. For us it is
not but the silence of the grave. For you, there
is more in the struggle to survive. For us there
is but peace. I wonder who is really the fool.

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Humphrey ended the letter by claiming that every one was
doing their own thing and his and this was their thing.
Prior to the murder suicide. The last four years of
Leonard Humphrey's wife was full of hard drinking, love of animals,
and immersion in Indian lore. Leonard Humphrey seemed to have
a troubled past. His mother, Pearl Joiner Humphrey, filed for

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divorce from her husband Leonard, charging him with cruel and
neglect only three years after their wedding. Leonard was only
two years old. It seemed that the original revorce did
not go through because in nineteen forty seven, she filed
for divorce again, also giving legal notice that she would
not be responsible for any debts incurred other than by her.

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It seemed that her husband, Leonard C. Humphrey, was using
the alias of Arthur L. Puntney and was living in Glendale, Georgia.
In nineteen fifty, when Leonard was sixteen years old, he
was arrested along with four other boys for holding up
a merchant in Saint Petersburg, Florida. Humphrey, along with two others,
were on parole from Ohio institutions. They used toy pistols

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and only netted thirty five cents. However, they were sentenced
to eighteen months in the state prison for the robbery.
The other two first time offenders were given probation. According
to Wickham, his one time friend, he said that his
wife was more tolerant than really interested in his passion
for Indian ritual. In nineteen sixty five, Humphrey and Wickham,

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who was also one eighth Indian, became partners in the
Diamond in w Wildlife Reservation on Wickham's about five to
eleven farm in Alria, Alria, Ohio. They taught each other
the Cherokee and Apache languages, studied animals, and collected Indian
artifacts for showing. Unexpectedly, Humphrey was diagnosed with multiple scleroses,

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and he fell into depression and drank heavily. Nineteen sixty
six he was dead written and he left Alria. He
told Wickham he was heading west to trap animals for
the wildlife preserve. With a rented fifty foot trailer, he
hit the road. Besides his wife and children, he took
with him two Siberian wolves and an albino raccoon, a

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rare ferret, a monkey, a great day, and several reptiles.
Wickham never heard from his partner again. The police said
Humphrey would give out his occupation as self employed herpetologist.
The police said the children had attended at least four
different schools since arriving in Arizona in nineteen sixty six.
This was due to the family moving often. The law

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school they attended was Nash Elementary School, which was located
about a third of a mile from the mobile home
park where they lived on West Lagoona Street. Ironically, the
park was named pleasant Manor Later. The researcher said all
three children were excited and happy about their forthcoming trip
to see Santos. The neighbors said the living room of
the Humphrey's trailer was decorated with stuffed lizards and snakes.

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There were also Indian masks with snakes and serpents coming
out of its mouth. Several of the neighbors who called
Humphrey Apache Karl thought he practiced a form of voodoo
and that he had times made wishes and kissed an
Indian mask. The week before the murders, the Humphreys were
charged with three council contributing to the delinquency of a miner.

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Several neighbors said the couple were trying Several neighbors said
the cup said the couple were trying to engage their
children in a prostitution ring. Both parents were also facing
trials on charges of aggravated salt stemming from an incidant
with a neighbor. Was What was the real motive for
why these parents decided to end their lives and those

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of their children. Was it truly a belief in an
Apache deity? Was it a combination of alcoholism, mental illness,
and Humphrey's diagnosis of multiple sclerosis? Yet, how does one
explain that his wife agreed to killing their children and
was the one to actually shoot all of them. Were
these parents prostituting their children? The family was interred at

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Pima County Cemetery. There was no mention of any family
members from coming from Ohio or elsewhere to attend the
funeral or take charge of their remains. I don't know
what do you think? And you want me to tell
you one thing that also puzzles me. And I've heard
this in other cases that you could say, well, but

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it's if you want to give it a supernatural flavor.
Five shots go off? All right? Five shots? Not want
five at night in a mobile home park, all right.
This is not in the middle of the country where
your next neighbors maybe a quarter a mile down the road.
Nobody hears anything. Nobody here's anything. Five shots, especially coming

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from the mobile home or the trailer of a guy
that maybe a little while ago, is telling his neighbors, Oh, yeah,
we're gonna kill each other or killer. This is the
part that I find that difficult to believe. Okay, as
far as oh and then the next morning the guy
something weird. But yes, that thing about shots going off

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and nobody hearing it, supposedly allegedly, but and there you go,
what was it? You know? Was this a shared mental illness?
Remember the wife who ends up killing everybody is described
by his former best friend as, Oh, she's not really
interested in it. This is just, you know, she's like

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she's putting up with this on his part like to
humor him, but apparently he he convinced her. He convinced
her so much, not only to kill herself, but to
kill her three children. And I think of them prostituted
the children. I mean, this thing is like there's there
was so much more to this and I don't know.
But anyway, I thought this was a very interesting story

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because it does show where when you throw that mix
of mental illness, maybe some alcoholism, and even two adults,
like nobody there was said I'm going to save my
kid does something like this, which again I'm going to
state a woman does. Oh anyway, let's go on to

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the next story. This is out of Mysterious Universe, and
this is titled Dark Pills of Cursed Lost Treasure. There's
always been a certain allure to the idea of lost,
buried treasure that could be riches beyond one's wildest dreams,
just lying out somewhere in some wilderness or at the
bottom of the sea. Has been an idea that has
proven to be irresistible for treasure hunters throughout the centuries.

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These treasures almost seem to beckon to us, taunting us,
daring us to be found. Yet among these supposedly lost treasures.
Some are more dangerous than others, and here we will
look at some that are surrounded by dark stories of
death and curses. Cutting through the dusty eastern part of
the rugged Santa Monica Mountains in the Hollywood Hills district,

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right there, up against the sprawling mega city of Los Angeles, California,
is a low mountain pass called Cajuenga Pass, also sometimes
called Eedpotosuelo or the Little Doorway, which connects the Los
Angeles Basin to the San Fernando Valley. The lowest pass
through the Santa Monica Mountains, the Cajuenga Pass has a

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rather colorful history, the site of several battles in the
eighteen hundreds between settlers and the forces of the Mexican
appointed Governor's men, and it is also the site of
one of the most mista sterious and fabled lost treasures
of California history, which may be cursed by dark forces,
and which supposedly lies right there by the major metropolis

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of Los Angeles. The year eighteen sixty four was a
tumultuous time for the area, with fighting going on south
of the border and much unrest between Californian settlers and
the Mexican appointed governors. Amid this volatile climate and simmering tensions,
France had installed Archduke Maximilian of Austria and his wife

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Garlota as the Emperor and Empress of Mexico, which did
not sit well at all with Benito Watits was president
of Mexico at the time, and to aid in his
plans to forcefully challenge the monarchy rule and maintain democracy,
he sent four agents on their way to San Francisco
to buy weapons to help its cause. They carried between

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them and estimated two hundred thousand dollars in gold, silver,
and precious stones, which in today's dollars is like all
of the money, and they traveled along what would become
to be known as Dacajuenga passed towards their destination. The
story goes at some point during their journey, one of
the agents mysteriously died, raising suspicions that he had been

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assassinated by French spies, and when the bedraggled group finally
reached San Francisco, they found it heavily infiltrated by the French,
to the point that they stayed away, The spooked agents
supposedly decided to lie low in the hills of San Mateo,
dividing the treasure into six portions and burying it in
all different locations for safe keeping until the French threat

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could be assessed and dealt with. Satisfied that the treasure
was safe the ancients, the agents went off to come
up with some sort of plan. But what they didn't
know was that they had not been alone out in
those bad lands. Unbeknownst to the Mexican agents, they had
been observed from afar by a shepherd by the name
of Diego Moreno, who moved in after they were gone

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to unearth the treasure to keep for himself and bring
back to Mexico. The death that would follow this horde
of valuables began when the three agents returned to dig
up the treasure they had sequestered away, only to find
it gone. The already very suspicious men blamed each other
for stealing the treasure for themselves, as after all, only

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they knew where they had hidden it. Things got heated
and weapons were drawn. Shots were fired, and only one
of the agents would remain standing when the gun smoke
cleared In the meantime, Moreno was bringing its hall closer
to Mexico, stopping off at a tavern along the Cahuenga
Pass near Los Angeles. Along the way, it was at

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around this time that he was allegedly stopped from injuring
La by a sinister and potent dream, in which he
was warned that to bring the treasure to the city
would mean certain death. This powerful premonition was apparently frightening
enough that Morena decided to hide the treasure under an
ash tree and continue into Los Angeles, planning to come

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back for it later. Not long after this, Moreno fell
violently from a mysterious sickness was tended to by a
friend in Los Angeles name has Sus Martinez. It was
all for nought, as Moreno would succumb to his illness
soon after, but not before confiding to Martinez's location of
the treasure. Intrigued, Martinez and his stepson, Jose Gumistindo Gorrea,

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decided to go looking for the treasure, not sure if
it was even real or just the delusional ramblings of
Moreno's sickened, fevered mind. It is said that they did
locate the tree, but that as they began to dig
into the earth, Martinez was struck by a heart attack
and died there on the spot. This was enough to
scare the very young Gorrea off, convincing him that perhaps

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the treasure was cursed and not meant to be found.
He left it where it lay and returned to Los Angeles,
not telling a single soul about the treasure or its
secret location. In eighteen eighty five, some of the treasure
was apparently found by accidents, when a Basque shepherd stumbled
across one of the six buckskin sacks containing jewels and coins.

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He was supposedly satisfied enough with his fortunate find that
he did not dig any further to find the other
five bags, But it would turn out that he was
actually not fortunate in any way at all. While on
his way back to Spain with his hoard, he had
gone through great pains to sew it all within his
clothing to keep anyone from stealing it, but unfortunately this
did nothing to help him when he fell overboard as

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they came within sight of shore, and he quickly sank
and drowned, taking the treasure with him. The curse would
continue in eighteen ninety five, when the now fully grown
Gorrea decided he wasn't scared of curses anymore and went
out to climb the stash. But before he could, he
would die in a shootout with his own brother in
law on the night before he was set to embark

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on his journey, taking the secret of its location to
his grave with him. In the meantime, the last of
the Mexican agents who had originally buried tree treasure before
it was stolen, was killed in a bar fight in Tombstone, Arizona.
By now, word was getting around that there was a
treasure buried out there on Cahuenga Pass, and although no
one really knew where it was except the dead Gorrea,

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there were nevertheless plenty of treasure hunters were willing to
try looking for it despite rumors of a curse. The
most well known search for the lost Cahuenga passed pressure
was launched in nineteen thirty nine, when a mining expert
named Henry Jones teamed up with Walter Combs, a mechanic
from Bakersfield, and his uncle and his Combs to hunt

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the stash down once and for all. Armed with the
sophisticated metal detecting equipment, the team would claim to have
found it lying about fifteen feet underground, with the only
probably being that it was directly under a parking lot
near the Hollywood Bowl. They would eventually get permission to
digle a lot up in exchange for a percentage of
the score, but as they got closer to their goal,

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the Combs backed out of fear of the alleged curse,
taking the fancy, high tech metal detector with them. Undeter
Jones continued with some other partners, and the search culminated
with them boring down into the earth as film crews
and hundreds of curiosity seekers and newspaper reporters looked on.
They dug down to the predicted fifteen feet and found

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absolutely nothing, but they were convinced that something was definitely there,
so they kept digging and digging and digging. This us
go on for a full twenty four days until an
impassable boulder blocked their progress and forced them to admit defeat.
The embarrassment and disappointment at the whole thing would send
Jones into a suicidal depression, and he would kill himself

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not long after, another victim of the curse. There had
been other attempts to find it all the way up
into modern times, and none of them have found so
much as a single coin of it, leading the Kahuenga
Passed treasure to take on an almost mythical quality. Was
it ever cursed? Did it ever exists at all? Whatever
the answer may be, the Kajuanga Treasure has turned into

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one of the most mysterious lost treasures in the California
history and may still be out there waiting to be found.
Our next story here begins in fifteen nineteen, when the
Aztec Empire of Mexico was at the height of its glory.
Having ruled over central Mexico since the early fifteenth century
and composed of a triple lines between three great and
powerful city states Tenochilan, Fitzcoco, and Takubang in particular, the

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empire had seen a surge and power after coming under
the rule of Montezuma the Second, the ninth Aztec emperor,
whose aggressive expansionism had brought with it untold wealth and
grandeur that had transformed the capital city of Tenchuquilan into
a thriving, magnificent landscape of sprawling temples, palaces, plazas, and

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botanical gardens. It was the splendor that greeted the Spanish
conquistador had non goed this and its small army after
landing in Mexico in fifteen nineteen, and unfortunately this would
be the beginning of the end for the once great
Aztec civilization. When Cortez and his men arrived here, they
did so to a grand welcome, with Montezuma filled with

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curiosity about these outsiders, sharing them with hospitality and presence,
including gold and silver from his vast stocks of treasure.
This would turn out to be a mistake, because Cortez
was not satisfied with just gifts, but rather wanted it all.
The details of what happened exactly are murky and mostly
from Cortez's own writings, but according to Montezuma was taken

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hostage in the city, was pillaged for its gold and silver,
and the process massacring countless Aztec warriors. The Aztec population
arose up against these foreign guests, and the Spanish were
overwhelmed and forced to barricade themselves within the palace, with
Montezuma as their bargaining chip. As the angry Aztecs amassed
against them, and their attempts to ransom off Montezuma failed,

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the Spanish realized that they needed to escape. They grabbed
as much treasure as they could and made a run
for it, but they were intercepted and nearly wiped out.
At some point in the bloody chaos, Montezuma was killed,
either by the Spanish or, by some accounts, his own
people who had felt betrayed by him welcoming the outsiders
in whoever, But whatever the case may be, he is

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said to have laid a curse upon his stolen treasure.
As the remaining Spanish fled for their lives, they dumped
the untold riches that had taken to lighten their load,
most of it into the waters of Lake dex Coco,
surrounding the causeway to the city. Cortez would not forget
about it, and would return the following year with a
much larger force that managed to kill the new emperor,

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slaughtered thousands, and began the downfall of the Aztecs. But
as for the real reason he had returned that gold
he had lost, it was nowhere to be found. This
would begin the legendary the legend of Montezuma's Cursed Treasure,
a mystery which has still not been solved to this day.
The main idea is that the Aztecs had retrieved the

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gold and hidden it from the Spanish, but where exactly
they took it is the center of the mystery. Oh
The exact location of Montezuma's treasure has been debated for centuries.
One of the prominent theories is that it was taken
north by the Aztecs towards what is now the United States,
where it was buried and hidden somewhere in the American Southwest,

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after which the warriors sacrificed themselves to guard the treasure
for evermore in spirit form, even in death. One of
them prime candidates for this final resting place is a small,
nondescript dusty town of Canab, Utah, a small farming community
set in a vast expanse of remote red rock desert.
In nineteen fourteen, a prospector named Freddie Crystal arrived in

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Canab with quite the wild story to tell. He claimed
that he had been in Mexico, where he had uncovered
an array of Aztec maps and petroglyphs at a monastery
set for demolition. These maps were supposed from the time
of Cortez. After much research he had found that they
bore striking resemblance to the terrain around Canab. He believed

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that Montezuma's treasure was hidden in a cave around Canab,
and that a set of mysterious petroglyphs would mark the spot.
According to the story, Crystal would venture out into the
desert in search of the fabled treasure, and after several
years of looking, finally supposedly found stairs carved into sandstone
that led to the base of a cave that was

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sealed up with stone mortar, and which bore the petroglyphs
he sought. At the time, his discovery made quite astir
but when he was enabled to dig out the cave,
Crystal apparently vanished without a trace, taking his map with
him and leaving the exact location a secret. According to
the stories, he really did find Montezuma's cursed treasure out

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there in the desert of Canab, and there been plenty
of people who have searched for it to this day.
One of these was a man named Brant Child, whose
family had owned the Three Lake Ranch for thirty years
and who believed the fabled treasure was hidden there below
the water's surface. Child believed that the Aztecs used the
device called a water trap, which would have required them

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to dig thirty five feet under the water and then
build a tunnel that would lead inside a cavern next
to the pond. This water trap would make sure that
the tunnel would fly at any time anyone tried to
retrieve the treasures. Bus this didn't stop Child from trying.
With a team of divers. He went down in search
of it, and his hearers were some of the iery

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hints of a curse would come into play. Apparently, the
divers experienced a series of malfunctions and mishaps while looking
in the lake, and when they supposedly found the tunnel
on the bottom, they would claim that they had seen shadowy,
ghostly figures and experience an intense choking sensation that had
caused them to give up the search. Child was going

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to drain the entire lake in his mad question for
the treasure, but would find that it was the habitat
of a rare and in danger species of snail, and
so was prohibited from doing so by the US Fish
and Wildlife Service. Child himself would then shortly after die
in a freak accident, hitting a horse with his car.

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His fortune would follow everyone who tried search to search
the lake and Brandchild's son, Lawn Child, has said of it, quote,
my dad came to believe that there is a curse.
You know, I think there is two. If there are curses,
this is cursed. Every time there's been an attempt, bad
things would happen. As they are swimming back in there.
All of a sudden, the divers starts screaming, I'm being

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choked down. I'm seeing ghosts. I'm seeing ghost people have died.
We had a well driller that died. The well driller
went home, came back the next day and started drilling
down with a tenant drilled down the same hole. This
guy was forty five years old. He went home that
night and had a heart attack and died. Three weeks later,

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his wife died. All of a sudden, a technician fell
over on the ground and started throwing up. They decided
he needed to go to the hospital. Once he got there,
his heart stopped a couple of times. Every time we've
tried to go after it, bad things happen. The stories
go on and on end. Quote. Child has even spoken
of a shadowy Native American figure appeasing to warn him

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to give up his search bookie stuff, but talk of
an ancient curse does not stop people from continuing to
try to search for the treasure. Forensic geologist Scott Walter
began his own hunt from Antozuma's Treasure in Canab after
receiving a mysterious map that apparently indicates that ancient Aztec
territory possibly reached as far as Utah, as well as

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several clues that pointed to the Canab area. He claims
that he has found a cave with evidence of excavation,
leading him to believe it could be the entrance to
a complex tunnel system, possibly even including booby traps, but
that the government won't let him enter the area. He
has also looked into the Three Lakes property, where he
got permits from Child to send the robot to look

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at the bottom. He claims that he found what appears
to be the entrance to a cave, but that mysterious
malfunctions kept a robot from exploring further. Curse or just
bad luck, who knows? Yet another who was searching for
the mysterious treasures, third generation treasure hunter and amateur archaeologist
Don Delmann, who along with his family, has been searching

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for it for decades. He too believes that Aztec clues
and maps point to canob as a final resting place
of the treasure, and claims that his grandfather stumbled across
the mystery of Montezuma's treasure while researching another loss artifact,
and he says of it quote as fate would have it.
One day in nineteen sixty five, when they were helping

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a neighbor clean out her basement, they discovered a nineteen
sixty four Life magazine that had an article in it
about the Peralta stones. These stone tablets have been discovered
in nineteen forty nine, and some believed they were maps
that led to the fabled lost Dutchment's gold mine, gold
said to be hidden somewhere in Arizona in the nineteen
hundreds by a man called Jacob Waltz. This article electrified

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my grandfather and uncle's interest, and it began researching these
stone tablets. My grandfather strongly believed he was being called
to crack the code of these ancient stones, and for
the next eighteen years he spent time each day, researching, meditating,
vision questing, and dreaming about deciphering them. After years of research,

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my grandfather dismissed the theory that the Peralta Stones led
to the Lost Dutchment's Treasure and instead believed they led
to Montezuma's treasure. Legends of this possible treasure suggest that
in fifteen hundreds, riches from the Empire of Aztec Emperor
Montezuma the Second were either discarded by Spanish invaders as
they were driven out by Aztecs, or hidden somewhere in

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Mexico or the American Southwest by the Aztecs. My family
believes this treasure would like be made up of tons
of gold and silver, jules, emeralds, rubies, turquoise and other
precious stones, golden ancient religious artifacts and relics, and ancient records.
It was my grandfather's belief that the Peralto stones were

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actually created by two ancient Spanish explorers, al Var Nunias
Gaveza Devaca and Estevenico, survivors of a fifteen twenty seven
Spanish expedition to the Americas. His grandfather would extensively research
the writings of Alvar Nunias Gaveza Devaca and Estevenico and

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concluded that they knew where the treasure was, but feared
writing about it, and so came up with the Peralto
stones as a sort of code, with a code he
would claim to have deciphered, after which he would launch
an expedition to Cannab in nineteen eighty two. He claims
that what he found out there would be the basis
of his family subsequent obsession with finding the lost Treasure

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of Montezuma, and he had explained it using only images
of the stone maps on as his guide. He on
earthed Aztec ancient ruins and artifacts, including arrowheads, weapons, pottery bowls,
fishing nets, lama hair tools, and even a large sacrificial
altar of the kindastics would have used. Another amazing discovery

(01:03:19):
was another stone tablet, one that looked similar to the
Peralta stones. Unfortunately, the ranch owner and cannob broke the
agreement made with my grandfather and kept all of the artifacts,
but we have all the photos from the dig and
other discoveries made. My grandfather was heartbroken, but he spent
the next several years researching and trying to decode the

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pictographs and petroglyphs on the stone tablet. My grandfather sadly
passed away in nineteen ninety two and provided my uncles
with all his research documents and audio tapes to all
the locations he wanted us to investigate. I've been on
close to a hundred separate expeditions of family members over
the past forty three years, and after my grandfather's death,

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my uncles and I made many trips a year to
southern Utah, investigating and searching for the specific items we
were told to find by my grandfather. In two thousand
and seven, my uncle John passed away and he gave
all of my grandfather's research to my uncle Paul. There
is still so much research and data that my grandfather
left for us to investigate. Currently, we have a deal

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in place with a new landowner on a property that
my grandfather Pinpoint is needing to be searched, and we
are excited about what we may find. End quote. He
has also made mention of the possible curse that looms
over the treasure and seems to haunt those who try
and find it. He and his family have all had
manners of strange and often dangerous experiences while continuing their search,

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and he has said of some of this quote. Throughout
the years, we have had all kinds of crazy things happen.
We have experienced strange orbs of light appearing above us
and appeared too formed you, metric shapes, and an object
in the sky once appeared to follow us in the desert.
Night divers have worked with us have said they have
experienced unexplained issues, including the air being turned off, feeling strangled,

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and hearing eerie screams over the communications systems. My uncle
Paul would always talk about what he called the curse
of Montezuma's Treasure. He believed that if anyone in the
group researching for the treasure was greedy or their hearts
were not pure, they would die end. They have continued
their search to this day, although it has evaded them

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as of yet. Is there possibly anything to all of this?
Does a loss Aztec treasure still lie buried within this
remote area of Utah or is this just legend and lore?
Experts have estimated that Montezuma's treasure would be worth approximately
three billion dollars to day, So is that not incentive
enough for one to brave the wilds and the magical

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curse that supposedly surrounds it who knows. For now, it
remains a strange mystery and a lure that will no
doubt call more treasure hunters looking to delve into its
possible secrets. What article would be complete without mention of
cursed pirate treasure. There is perhaps no name in the
world of pirates as infamous as that of the seventeenth

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century Scottish pirate Captain William Kidd, also known as Captain
William Kidd or just Captain Kidd, once a hunter of
pirates who then went over to the dark side to
become one himself. Throughout the course of his career as
a privateer, Kidd was known for his savagery and for
the vast amounts of treasure he is said to have
stolen from countless merchant vessels, which would eventually lead to

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his capture and execution in seventeen o one. Yet before
that he was said to have hidden away large statues
of his loot all up and down the East coast
of the United States, the Bahamas and the Florida Keys. Indeed,
Captain Kidd's buried treasures have become as famous as the
man himself, and have spurred numerous searches for them over
the centuries by both professionals and amateurs, of further fuel

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when some of this gold was found a Gardener's Island,
New York. However, many locations with the last Captain Kid
treasures are said to have been buried or supposedly haunted, cursed,
or both. Perhaps one of the most well known and
notorious of Captain Kid's cursed treasures supposedly lies at Charles
Island in the US state of Connecticut, at Silver Sand

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State Park and just offshore from the town of Milford.
The island itself had a rather dark and mysterious reputation
even before Kid ever landed here. It is an appearance,
rather than assuming a now descript just a slash of
uninhabited sandy rocks, connected to the mainland by a sliver
of sandbar that fades and reappears with the tides, measuring

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just fourteen acres in area, and where nesting flocks and
birds lazily lounge about without any human interference. But although
one might not think much of this place, it has
the rather dark distinction of having been cursed more than
once throughout its history. The first time begins with the
local chief of the Paugust tribe of Native Americans, who,

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according to legend, was so upset by the invasion of
white settlers that in sixteen thirty nine he vehemently cursed
the island to never accept the whites, to shun them
and cause their structures to disintegrate and blow away in
the wind. Interestingly, the land is indeed rather too unstable
for building permanent structures upon it, and has in fact

(01:08:32):
never been inhabited for long. Despite failed efforts in the past.
The curse was enough to keep most people away from
the island for quite some time, but not everyone. In
sixteen ninety nine, the legendary Scottish pirate Captain William Kidd,
stopped by these shores and supposedly offloaded a huge trove
of stolen treasure here, supposedly cursing the treasure to bring

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misfortune and death upon anyone who had tried to dig
it up, before setting off his final voyage towards Boston,
which would end with him captured and finally executed for
his numerous crimes. It is unknown how much truth any
of these sensational stories has, and no treasure has officially
ever been found on this speck of land, despite numerous

(01:09:15):
efforts by treasure hunters to locate it, but there are
certainly some wild tales about the treasure and the curses.
One popular local piece of lore is that two treasure
hunters actually managed to unearth a horde of treasure on
the island in eighteen fifty, but that as soon as
they opened it, they were met with fierce blue fire
shooting forth, and were attacked by the intimidating presence of

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an immense, flaming skeleton that bore down upon them from above.
They managed to escape, but are said to have had
their sanity subsequently degrade and grode, to the point that
they spent the rest of the years locked the way
in an insane asylum. Another frightening account of the cursed
treasure of Charles Island was written of by the historian

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Charles M. Skinner in eighteen ninety six. He wrote, quote,
Charles Island, near Milford, Connecticut, was dug into one night
by a company from that town that had learned of
Kid's visit to it. And what could Kidd be doing
ashore unless he was bearing money? The lid of an
iron chest had been uncovered when the figure of a

(01:10:20):
headless man came bounding out of the air, and the
work was discontinued. Right then, the figure leaped into the
pit that had been dug, and blue flames poured out
of it. When the digger returned, their spades and pigs
were gone, and the ground was smooth. End quote. It
is all a creepy tale, to be sure, and to
this day the island is often mentioned as being haunted

(01:10:41):
by the ghost of natives and Captain Kidd himself. And
whether any of this lore holds any truth or not,
it is all spooky. At the very least. Quite a
few locations said to hold Kid's Hoard are actually rumored
to have spirit guardians that will chase treasure seekers away
or worse. Another spot on Apple Dore and the Isles

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of Shoals and Maine is supposedly home to a very mean, glowing,
pale faced apparition with a red ring around his neck
called Old Bob, who, according to the Tables, murdered by
Captain Kidd in this spot, specifically so that his ghost
may perpetually act as a sentry against thieves and who
aggressively chase them away. Many of these ghosts are former

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crewmates of kids, and in some cases there is more
than one ghost guarding the treasure, as is the case
with the treasure said to be hidden in Money Hill
a Shark River, New Jersey. This particular treasure purportedly has
no fewer than half a dozen spectral guardians, including ones
an old fashioned sailor's garb, and others that appear as

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moldy skeletons and thought to be the spirit of Kid's men.
Other spectral treasure guardians of Kid's treasures are more mysterious.
One spot near the Piscataqua River, which defines the border
between Maine and uh I'm sure, is said to have
a portion of the treasure, which is guarded by a
monster horse that will charge treasure hunters and then evaporate

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into thin air. The only way to avoid this is
to reach scripture from the Bible as one digs. Likewise,
the alleged treasure at Lin's Rock near Lyme, Connecticut is
said to also be guarded, this time by a demon
that can also only be turned away by reading from
the Bible. The treasure at Sandy Hook, New Jersey, is
supposedly haunted by the ghost of a native woman who

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will angrily throw stones at trespassers. On the noise shore
of Liberty Island and New York Harbor is supposedly the
resting place of a good amount of treasure, but something
terrible seems to guard it. A skinner writes quote. A
flat rock on the noise shore of Liberty Island and
New York Harbor was also thought to mark the place
of this pervasive wealth of the pirates. As late as

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eighteen thirty, Sergeant Gibbs, one of the garrison on the island,
tried to unearth it the aid of a fortune teller
and a recruit, but they had no so reach the box,
about four feet in length than a being with wings, horns, tail,
and a breath. The latter palpable, and blue flames burst
from the coffer. Gibbs fell unconscious into the water and
narrowly escaped, drowning, while his companions ran away, and the

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treasure may still be there for aught. We know en
Other places of Kid's buried treasure have different sorts of
legends surrounding them. Take the craggy sweeping cliffs called crow
Nests on the Hudson River. Here, high upon the sheer
rock surface is a knob of rock which is said
to be a sort of plug to a cavern that

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leads to vast reserves of Kid's treasure. It is located
two hundred feet up a steep inaccessible cliff, and no
one can even figure out how any treasure could have
been hauled up there in the first place. Yet here
it is said to be. The cliff face is said
to be protected by a curse which keeps anyone from
reaching that plug of stone and sends them falling to

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their deaths. But if one were to manage to disgorge
that rock, they supposedly will be greeted by a veritable
fountain of gold, coins and diamonds. As of yet, no
one has managed to pry it loose, and it is
unknown it is even a real gateway to treasure or
merely a weird looking rock. These are perhaps all just
spooky legends surrounding the larger than life persona of Captain Kidd.

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Maybe they are just scary sailor stories, and there is
nothing more to them than legend and myth. Yet people
keep hunting for the fabled treasures of Captain Kidd, most
often without success, but with that siren call of the
promise of great wealth, and lost's history, always drying them in.
There is no way to know if the stories of
ghosts and curses ormitting these loustaches of Loot are real

(01:14:46):
or not, but they do serve as historical oddities, add
on Eeri layer to the legacy of Captain Kidd, and
do not seem to deter those who would find these
treasure troves. Finally, we come to the remote batlands of
the US state of Arizona, just to the east of
the Phoenix metropolitan area, where there lies a sun scorched,

(01:15:07):
dried up, arid moonscape of twisted peaks and sprawling expands
of batlands called the Superstition Mountains, at one time called
the Sierra de Laspuma by Spanish settlers. Here's a place
of sprawling, rugged wilderness, encompassing the Superstition Wilderness Area and
drawing in hikers, rock climbers, campers, and all manner of

(01:15:29):
those looking to enjoy the natural splendor and outdoor activities
on offer. Yet it is also a place of fabled mysteries,
talk of dark curses, strange disappearances and deaths, high strangeness,
and a secret treasure that it allegedly holds close to
it reluctant to ever give it up. The native Apache

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people the area had already long held this as a
rather sinister, scary place, even before outsiders came in to
settle the land. They believed that the entrance to the
underworld itself lay somewhere among these peaks, and that powerful
spirits roamed the withered landscape. There were also strange stories
among the Apache of a magnificent hidden cavern full of gold,

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said to have a vast treasure, long buried within the
mountains and protected by spirits, troll like beasts called twarre Tourns,
and even their thunder god himself. According to these legends,
this treasure was rarely seen by mortal eyes, at least
not by any one who lived to tell about it,
but there are some tales of outsiders stumbling across it.

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One of the most prominent such tales is that of
an affluent mining family from Mexico, the Peraltas. Although some
versions of the stories say they were ranchers, The main
thing is that they supposedly accidentally found this ancient Apache
treasure somewhere in the mountains, but it was to spell
their doom. According to the story, the Apaches quickly descended
upon the family to ruthlessly solder all of them, but

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one left alives solely to tell the tale, not to
mess with a lost mind to anyone who would listen.
The Apache warriors who had massacred them are then said
to have repuried the entrance to this enormous trobe of gold,
and to this day the area what it is believed
to have happened has been labeled the Massacre Grounds, and

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there are other places place names that denote this grim history,
such as Massacre Falls and others that PATOUTA family would
go on to be suspected of having left some evidence
behind of their discovery, in the form of a series
of odd stones mysteriously etched with codes, pictograms, and cryptic
messages written out an imperfect Latin, which are said to

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hold the key to finding their treasure, and which have
been dubbed the Perrauto Stones. These stones were allegedly written
up by the family shortly before their massacre and left
behind by Apaches who did not know their true meaning
and so left them to ride away in the sun.
They would be uncovered in the nineteen forties. But whether
there is any truth to this story is anyone's guest.

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In later years, there is a story of the adventurous
Spanish born doctor Abraham Thorne, who was at the time
living among the natives of the region and studying their
medical practices. To this end, he lived for years among
their ranks, learning their ways and tending to their sick
and wounded. As a sort of reward for his generosity,
he was apparently when they asked to put on a blindfold,

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after which he was told he would be led to
the mythical lost Cavern of Gold. He was then led
along a harsh, meandering route of an estimated twenty miles,
after which they removed the blindfold and he was met
with the sight of a pile of gold sparkling in
the sun near an entrance into the presumed lost mind.

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The apaches told him he could grab as much of
the gold as he could carry on his person, which
he did before being led back out, never knowing the
precise location, although he did mention a sharp peak of rock,
which is thought to have perhaps been Weaver's Needle, a
popular landmark in the area. Yet the mountain and their

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cursed treasure would get their most well known mystery with
the arrival of a German immigrant named Jacob Waltz, also
known special spelled Waltz, who was a gold prospector in
the Phoenix Valley in the late eighteen hundreds. Waltz would
claim to have been out prospecting when he had come
across an unimaginably vast vein of gold out in the mountains,

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curiously supposedly near Weaver's Needle. He allegedly made many forties
to his mind, taking gold as he pleased, and boasting
of his discovery, but all who tried to follow him
or learn his secret were said to get hopelessly lost
or end up vanished or dead. He would take this
secret location practically to his grave, but as he lay

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dying from about of pneumonia in eighteen ninety one, he
allegedly told all laying out the secret location of the
lost and cursed Apache Treasure, giving details about of cryptic
instructions on how to navigate the rough terrain to the entrance,
as well as scrawling out a crude map to it,
all as Helena's deathbed. How he knew all of this

(01:20:09):
no one knows, but one rumor has it that he
learned the secret location of this massive stash of gold
from the sole surviving Peralta family member. Waltz's caregiver, Julia Thomas,
apparently listened to all of this, but had no idea
what to think of any of it. She was oblivious, baffled,
and would apparently later sell the map of the now
dead treasure hunter to parties unknown. The lost Dash of Gold,

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which had gone on to be rather oddly known as
the Lost Dutchman's Mind, has catapulted itself into one of
the most intriguing unsolved modern mystery there is, and the
allure of it undiscovered riches has led many people to
their deaths, with some estimates saying that over six hundred
people mysteriously died or vanished during attempts to tie and

(01:20:53):
pry it from its ancient resting place. The story of
the Lost Dutchman's Mind would go on to become a
persistent legend and obsession for many would be treasure hunters
over the years. Indeed, in the decades since Waltz made
his mysterious proclamation of the mine public, there have been
numerous earnest attempts to try and track it down, and

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these have the sinister habit of meeting rather gruesome ends.
One of these was a veterinarian and treasure hunter named
Adolph Ruth, when nineteen thirty one made his way to
these windswept wilds armed with what he at the time
claimed to be the actual original map to it. The
sixty five year old Ruth, who was by all accounts
absolutely and hopelessly obsessed the location of the Lost Dutchman's Mind,

(01:21:38):
ventured out into those bad lands despite warnings against it,
and shortly after vanished without a trace. After an intensive search,
Ruth's skull was found at the bottom of a remote ravine,
sitting out there all alone in the unforgiving desert. A
month later, the rest of the body was found about
three quarters of a mile away, with severely broken legs.
It was supposed that he had fallen and that and

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after his grievous injuries that of starvation, and the elements
as to why his head had been carried off no
one knows. Along with the body was found a mysterious
note consconced within a bottle, which said that he had
broken his leg and needed help, but which also stated
that he had managed to find the legendary Lost Dutchman's Mind.
There were other weird clues found about the body, such

(01:22:22):
as the presence of two bullet holes to the skull
from shots far at point blank range. It was speculated
that he had perhaps been killed for secret knowledge or
committed suicide, but there was no weapon found. Who killed
them and then separate its head from his body remains unknown.
The curse of the treasure would continue in the nineteen

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forties on a sixty two year old treasure hunter by
the name of James A. Carvey journeyed into the Superstition
Mountains and also ended up dead and with his head
separated from his shoulders. In this case, the body was
found first, with the rest of the body following a
full six months later. No suspects or motive were ever found,
and later years in nineteen forty five, would be treasure

(01:23:06):
hunter named Barry Storm would claim that as he had
been out looking for the treasure, he had been fired
upon by a mysterious sniper whom he called mister X,
who seemed to be guarding the area. The mysterious deaths
and disappearances go on, and on a December of nineteen
forty nine, a man named James Kidd vanished without a

(01:23:26):
trace in the area as well. Interestingly, it was found
that he had amassed a small fortune in a short
amount of time after starting its fories into the mountains,
raising suspicions that he had found the lost minds. His
body has never been found. Nineteen fifty two, there was
a man named Joseph Kelly who went out into the
mountains to find a treasure and proceeded to vanish from

(01:23:48):
the face of the earth. His body would later be
found with a bullet hole to the head. Also in
that year was the disappearance of two young boys, Ross
Blay and Charles Harshbarger, whose bodies were never found. Mysterious
bodies turned up in the Superstition Mountains all through the
nineteen sixties and seventies, with at least five people found

(01:24:10):
dead the bullet holes to the skull, and with other
bodies found minus the heads which were never found. This
would become a common theme in the Superstition Mountains, the
presence of decapitated corpses, and indeed this has happened to
quite a few people who have dared to look for
the lost dutch Man's mind. Throughout the decades, there have
been other mysterious and ominous disappearances as well, including an

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abandoned camp site found in the mountains in nineteen fifty eight,
complete with blood silk blankets, but no bodies and no suspect.
There have been countless such deaths and disappearances in the
region over the years, many of them with missing heads
or gunshot wounds to the head. Most recently, in two
thousand and nine, there was would Be Treasure hunted by

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the name of Jesse Kappan, a thirty five year old
bell hop from Denver who was in his free time,
by all accounts, fascinated and obsessed with the legend of
the Lost dutch Man's mind. At the time, he had
ventured out into the Tonto National Force and search of
the legendary treasure, having looked for it on several occasions
in the past and accumulating hundreds of books and hundreds

(01:25:14):
of pages of research on the matter. He would vanish
into thin air for his efforts. In twenty twelve's vehicle, wallet,
cell phone, and backpack were located, but there has been
no sign of the missing man. That his body would
finally be found wedged into a remote and inaccessible crevice,
with the official cause of death a mystery. Who was

(01:25:36):
speculated that he had fallen or even jumped, but is
still a mystery, just another casualty of the futile search
for the lost treasure. The man's campsite would be found
to hold many books on the lost minds, and this
would join a further three more mysterious deaths than twenty
ten twenty eleven in the same area, all of whom

(01:25:56):
had been seeking the legendary dutch Man's Mind. The Lost
Dutchman's Mind has gone on to become a pulp cultural legend.
We're enoughing countless books and appearing on numerous TV shows.
There are still those who obsessively search for it and
try to decode secret, but no one has ever really
managed to find it, to the point that many skeptics

(01:26:17):
question whether it ever really existed at all. Yet there
are still all of these mysterious disappearances and deaths, these
enigmatic decapitated corpses and their bull written heads. Is someone
or something trying to keep this treasure hidden? Is this
all just a spooky legend, or is there something more
to it? No one really knows, but the answers just

(01:26:39):
may lie out there in the desolate reaches of those
desert bad lands. These stories are not only interesting in
that they remain perplexing historical oddities, but also in that
they supposedly still lie out their waiting to be found.
Not only that that talk of dark curses orbitting them
seems to not do much to dead those who would

(01:27:01):
be willing to try and hunt them down. The other
ric is just too great. The poll to locate these
lost treasures to appealing to be teachured by talk of
supernatural curses. Maybe someday someone will find them, but one
does hope that they come out of it in one piece. Hmmm,

(01:27:22):
oh oh, yep, I believe it. I believe it. One
of the most recent ones as far as people becoming
obsessed with it, was this Fend's Treasure, which there's an
antiquities dealer, Fend who supposedly hid this way in a

(01:27:47):
box described as by him as having about two million
dollars worth of money artifacts, you know, like like he
did a little like a little bit of this and
a little bit a little bit of that. Would was
according to him, about we're two million dollars. And he
wrote about in one of his books, like giving hints.
I think about six people ended up dying looking for it.

(01:28:09):
But my point being that you know, anybody who thinks
that this thing I'm looking for the lost treasures for
like oh long ago. No, there's people that fall into,
like they said, this obsession, and unfortunately, because they're looking
for treasure, a lot of them go off by themselves.

(01:28:30):
So when something happens to them that they fall or
trip or you know, something happens, there's nobody there to
help them, right. And I believe one of the last
ones that died with this thing of friend's treasure was
a guy who went out with the front of his
bottom mine a mile away from their car. I guess

(01:28:51):
they didn't realize just how close they were to their
vehicle that run. They they got early snowfalls something like that,
and or they left and they really didn't take enough
food or water with them. Bottom line, one guy died
and his friend said, hey, drink your own urine. At
least it'll keep us alive. And the guy that I

(01:29:12):
said no, he refused to do it, and they think
they were found the next day and he had, you know,
he had died of exposure of the snow everything. And
the day later on it turned out they were like
about a mile from where they had left their vehicles.
But anyway, same thing that the obsession that they describe
where people like do crazy stuff. Yes, yes, yes, I

(01:29:35):
believe it, and we have recent examples of it. Like
I said, because by the way, when you look at
these people in their regular lives, they have like when
I say they're very regular, like when was even a
pastor of a church. I mean, these people have like
regular jobs. Nor means, if you want to call them that,
that have this one area of their lives, this obsession

(01:30:00):
that they get for this finding this treasure. And what's
really funny is this guy Fenn who hid it and
wrote the wrote the clues if you want to call
him that. In his book, you know, he was being
totally even from the first death that you need to
call this off blah blah blah. He really I mean
there was even forms of people putting I mean, there

(01:30:23):
was a bunch of people in on this thing. But
he himself, on more than one occasion says I always
said that it was located in a place that would
be easy for an eighty year old to get to.
Because he died when he was like I think ninety
or ninety one and he hit it like ten years before.
But he specified in other words, this is not in

(01:30:43):
some type of an accessible location where an eighty year
old could not get it. And eventually it was found
by somebody who right after the last death that some
people think, I mean, there was even thoughts that had
he really hidden the treasure and then this he like
basically said, yeah, this guy found that. I don't know,
but bottom line, he had to stipulate that more than

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once because people were looking at these clues and they go, oh,
it's here, it's there, and they were just going off
and falling off a cliff, falling into the Rio Grande,
you name it. Yeah, So there you go. How's that
batch for an ear news. I will be back soon
with more of it. Believe me, I've got more in
store for you. Till next time

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