‘The Kylee Cast’ feat. Tony Kinnett, Ep. 17: From Public Educator To Political Commentator

On this episode of "The Kylee Cast,” Tony Kinnett, national correspondent for the Daily Signal and host of "The Tony Kinnett Cast," joins Kylee Griswold to discuss today’s GOP, the sci-fi book that changed his political views, and the importance of husbands and wives embracing their God-given roles. Plus, Tony spills the tea about the Indiana Public School system, and Tony and Kylee relive their shared college memories.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
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(00:42):
I would love to hear from you. I am so
excited today to be joined by Tony Kinnitt. You know
him as the national correspondent for The Daily Signal and
host of the Tony Kinnitt Cast. I know him as
that theater and choir guy from college. Tony and I
talk faith, marriage, politics, everything in between. You're not gonna
want to miss it. Please welcome, Tony Kinnitt, Tony Kinnit.

(01:18):
It is so good to see your face.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
It was a shock when I came into the Trump
Hotel lobby in twenty twenty seapack and I had no beard,
My hair was very unkempt. And I strolled in and
I see you and like five six dudes fawning over you,
like it's a great Gatsby scene.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
And I was like, oh my gosh, someone who also
came from my little, tiny, middle of nowhere woods is
like in this big scene of all of these coastal
people want to be elite people.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
It was really cool. It's always good to see your
face itself.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Always good to see your face. I will say, we
like to blast the left about revisionist history, and I'm
gonna need to call you a little bit on your
revisionist history of that. I think part of it was true.
But I don't know about the sea of men fawning.
I think that's a people overstated.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
So I'm not going to back down on this. And
here's why.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
When Kylie and I were in college together at our
tiny middle of nowhere university, we looked like kids, you know, dorks,
kind of a thing, and we went to this Baptist college.
So dressing in a way that fit you was with flattering, encouraged, yes,
flat around cloud it's kind of yeah, yeah yeah. And
so to walk in and to see Kylie just as

(02:32):
like as an adult. And once you get in that
adult when like you really just hit your stride of
how you're supposed to look in your mid twenties and.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm a real person and not a shell of a child. Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
The word that I later used to describe this when
telling this story is like just walked in into She's
just a bombshell. And all of these people and seriously,
all of them, all of these guys were I could
name names, I won't out of respect.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
We're absolutely fawning over her.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
And when I went over say hi, this dorky friend
from your Baptist college you went to, I got looks
of very sharp daggers from these beta men lusting.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
That is hilarious. Well, that is not how I would
have told the story. But thank you Tony for just
starting us off, starting us off in that way. Thank you.
If it wasn't clear, I know Tony from college. We
go way back, Like you said, very small Baptist school
in the middle of nowhere. You pretty much knew everybody there,
So Tony and I had no choice but to be friends,

(03:29):
I guess, but it worked out. Yeah, Tony, So I
know you from that era obviously, but I don't really
know much about your life before that. Can you just
kind of fill me in on your background, your faith,
like what brought you to the moment of going to
a Christian college?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
So, oh, that's a and I've never been to ask
that per se.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
So I grew up in this eastern central Indiana like
rural area outside of a factory town, and my parents
kind of like the one of the defining moments in
my my life, my grandmother actually led me to the
Lord in the back of her Toyota Camry while on
the way to a daycare center that she was dropping
me off at on a bright spring morning in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I was four and a half years old. And that's
that moment.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Other than that, the other defining moment probably of my childhood,
my parents did, in fact divorce when I was in
early elementary school, and so it was just my dad
raising me.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
My sister went to live with my mom.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Okay, and then my dad's job, which is a factory job,
left with the whole financial crisis, and so it was
a very uphand up close look it kind of how
millennials were affected by that kind of recession era of
politics and the failed trade policies of the George W.
Bushian era and the Obama era of politics. And I

(04:50):
also always loved politics as well. I went to a
Christian high school. I had gone to public school up
until that point. Did sports stuff, did some theater stuff,
did some music stuff, just did kind.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Of a grab bag of whatever. Was trying to go
to West Point.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I got Mike Pence was my congressman in the Indiana
sixth and before he ran for governor. I was his
last congressional appointment to West Point and ended up doing
some stuff with West Point. Did SLS, got through a
lot of the training, a lot of good stuff there,
but didn't feel that's really what I was made for,
just being at the time. West Point was focused on

(05:27):
engineering degrees and just really focused on that side of
the ledger, and I felt like I wanted to do
something more people oriented, and so ended up leaving there
and went to this tiny Baptist college where my friends
were going, honestly and in the middle of nowhere, Wisconsin
at Maranatha and honestly took an education to re kind

(05:49):
of on a lark and found I loved it and
was so I was a science ed guy and that's
kind of what led me there. A lot of it
was more accidental. I wish I could say I had
these driving moments in theory, but I am one of
those who did kind of bump into things.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
So Okay, yeah, I'm misremembering. I thought it was history ed,
but now that you say that, I remember that it
was science d interesting.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I was that dorky bill Nish because victually it
was music education and then I thought, well, I actually
want a job. And also, I don't know if you remember,
there was this very severe, almost like slavic Russian lady
on campus named Jane Bruce.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
She would smack my wrists with a ruler because I
don't classical music.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I can.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I'm a pianist and I don't play classical stuff, and
I'm not as good at it. I'm more of a
chords in jazz and gospel and that kind of a thing, sure,
which she wasn't and so I was like, well, I
don't want to do four years of having my wrists smacked.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's not into you. She was not into you and
your kind.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, I need to play real music. And it's like,
please don't send me to the gulag. So, yeah, I
picked science education. I always kind of like science, and yeah,
I kind of stuck.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Huh okay, so you are so you major in science
ed you very publicly are no longer a teacher. Can
you kind of walk me through what exactly happened with
the Indiana education system?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Tony So, I had done a little bit of teaching
in Wisconsin, had worked in Governor Walker's office, and liked politics.
And there was this girl bad way to start any story,
who was a granddaughter of a representative in the state,
and we were friends. She wrote for this little outlet,
actually she's the second was the second article for it

(07:32):
called Loan Conservative that was run by Cassiedylan now kasi
Akiva and had got me writing. So I was like
messing around with some political commentary and writing. When I
was in college. There were no professors that were ever
fawning over my ability to write, but got into it,
enjoyed it, and I was also teaching in public schools,
getting through student teaching into regular teaching.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
You've seen the movie Hoosiers basketball movie.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Actually no, I haven't wa Wow.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
To be from the Midwest and not have seen tachers
is a cardinal sin our standard snowpun intended.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
No, it's so the school that that is a shot
at called Nightstown. I taught their rural school.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I got a Teacher of the Year in my first
two years, and that was a problem because I wasn't
special at all. I'm not trying to be modest either.
I mean there were ways that I cut corners, in
ways that I you know, there were tons of days
that I wasn't my best, and I always thought the
teacher of the year was this over obsessed, over excited
Walmart Greeter of a person who was like you know

(08:33):
what I mean, like miss Rachel personified maybe without the
radical Islam please.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And so.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I wasself, well, then something's really wrong in this education system.
And I got to witness uphand the Karenizing of education
of like these teachers that wanted to be Mommy and
that wouldn't do any discipline and administrators that wouldn't hold
standards for discipline, and as education teacher, I had a
SPED license because as doctor Holly was obsessed that I

(09:02):
get one. I was just just like, very, you have
to have one, and I thought, oh, I don't want
to teach SPED. He said, that's exactly why you need
a SPED license. You just don't put it on your resume,
and he was very correct.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
And I had like these.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Arguments with special ed because there were all these far
left leaning, weird New Age ideas in education that sucked.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
That weren't based in fact, but just well, don't you
love kids. You don't want to hurt them, do you?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
And then they would suddenly stop paying attention when the
kids would get hurt because of their policies or their plans,
they would just blame it on something else, usually some
right wing parent or whatever. I also learned to desperately
hate teachers unions during that time, because they did, what's.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
The proper Christian way to say.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
This bleepall to protect me or any of my colleagues.
They gave us like a bag of fudge one year,
and I was like, wow, that's it, screw this, And so.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm surprised that that was when it was cultivated in
you and not when you were working for Governor Walker,
who was like notoriously an anti teacher union governor, Like
that was his that was his main thing.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
So what he so while a lot of staff in
Governor Walker's office were kind of and this would come
to plague me later, would kind of attend the dinners
because we're publicans.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
We have lots of dinners with people.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I was driving around to god forsaken places like Appleton, Euclaire,
Dunbar to like meet with teachers. Because he eventually moved
me from this policy and ledge and turned to junior
education advisor, which is about as useful as feet on
a fish. I didn't really get into a lot of
the teacher politic drama there I did. I mean, I

(10:37):
talked with unions, but I met too many local union
reps who honest to God people, and many hate Walker
and did want freedom and like choice to be the
union or not. But when I was in Indiana and
I saw how it affected my classroom, and I saw
how it affected like I wasn't allowed.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
To negotiate my own contract.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
The union just decided even if not everyone had to
be in the union, they were just going to acide
the rules. I was like, why why do you get
your hands in my pocket? Whether I wanted or not,
ended up getting married and was writing in, you know,
politically at this time for a couple of outlets. My
very first big time op ed as in like getting
in a major publication was actually The Federalist. I use

(11:18):
it as a time to warn everyone about all of
these like someone telling you stem education was cool with
all of kids learning with robots and these toys, and
I said, these are just shiny toys that are being
sold and like chromebooks, and distance learning is a lie.
I got my master's degree and then another master's degree,
both huge wastes of money, and.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, you were ahead of the curve on that one too.
On the distance learning.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's worse because my thesis for one of my master's
degrees is the Coming Crisis. Well it is called replacing
the Educator, Like the coming crisis. That's going to mean
we're going to have to rely on distance learning.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
And I didn't.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
And that was in nineteen when I published it, and
I said, I don't know. I didn't actually think of
as a pandemic. I thought it maybe like a nineteen
seventy one style blizzard that keeps everyone inside.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
For six weeks or whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
But anyhow, then I ended up getting into politics, moved
into administration after I got my master's degrees and taught
in an inner city school and Indianapolis Public Schools was just
ridiculously woke, obviously is the most inner city kind of
the biggest school district in the state at the time.
And when I got to do my job, which was
managing two hundred something teachers, which by the way, I
was far too young to do. Good Heavens. When I

(12:31):
got to do my job, it was awesome. I loved it.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Teachers like the work I did.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I was stuck in all of these racial equity
meetings and arguing like two white women arguing whether gay
men or black men were more oppressed in this country.
I saw Gloria Ladson Billings again, who was at University
Wisconsin Madison. I audited some of her classes while we
were in college, and she came down to laugh about

(12:54):
how we were teaching critical race theory, and they gave
us this telemarketer script. If our parents or teachers asked us, hey,
are you teaching critical race theory? This is around twenty
twenty one. We were to tell them, no, we are
not using critical race theory.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Actually we are using.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
But then behind closed doors we would laugh like at
our parents and teachers because we knew we were right.
And one morning I finally had enough. And this was
more calculated. I had been kind of collecting evidence for
about a year on the district because there was a
guy that tried to get me fired for tweeting rest
in Peace Rush Limbaugh about a year prior. Okay, yeah,

(13:37):
then I just finally one morning something snapped.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I'd been running an education.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Publication for about six months at this point, and I
basically released a video that said, yeah, if we tell
you we're not teaching critical race theory, relying to you,
keep looking. And then it took them two months to
fire me. I went on Tucker that evening, which then
a bunch of staff tried to claim was emotional harassment
and abuse and caused them psychological trauma. Incredible, and then

(14:02):
they took him two months to fiery because I was
a good employee, okay. And so while my wife was
in the labor room dealing with preclamsya with our first
born a month early, I was being fired officially finally
from Indianapolis, and oh, it was just go into politics
and education, writing and stuff full time. Sorry answer, I've

(14:26):
tried like eight times to condense that down before. It's
a hard one because there's a lot of stuff in there.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, definitely, Well, yeah, I have so many follow up questions,
so many things I want to ask you.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I am about sorry.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
First of all, is just the way you described your classroom.
I assume you read that piece in Compact mag within
the past couple weeks. I don't know. Time has no
meaning right now from Helen Andrews about the great feminization
And did you read that article? It was like very
chatted about like in DC Circles, which neither of us
is in. But fantastic article. Joy Pullman at The Federalist

(15:01):
wrote a follow up piece, quibbling with a few points
of it, but overall fantastic piece. And she basically talks
about basically anything that you think of as wokeness is
just the feminization of America. And just the way that
you describe the administration and the culture at that school
is exactly what she talks about. Where you can be fired,
She talks about how you can be fired for, you know,

(15:22):
using locker room talk kind of a thing, but you
can't be fired for running a corporation like a Montessori kindergarten.
And because we've just become like completely feminized and the
way that education has contributed to that as well, and
so what you're describing seems to really fit into that problem.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
It.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
So I don't know the article you're talking about. I'm
not surprised.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Excuse me, I'm not surprised that Joy had the takes
that she had on it, because Joy's an excellent writer,
and not only because she's a Hoosier, Joy's just an
excellent writer in general.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
But in this instance, yes, this is something that I
did grow to learn. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I never really put a finger on it while I
was in education, because I also had bosses who were women,
who were very competent administrators and weren't just QTc female
but also catfight any qt C kind of femininesque leadership
is also that kind of caty, vindictive, aggressive kind of

(16:20):
thing where they're always threatened. And the moment for me
that I think that I recognized that was an issue
in education, believe it or not, was my first year
teaching when I heard the real story about how my
fourth grade teacher, who I ended up a totally different school,
ended up teaching alongside in an intermediate school fourth grade

(16:41):
to eighth grade, I found out the real reason he
was canned from the school that I grew up in,
because a couple of years after I was out.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Of that school, he got canned.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And the argument was always, well, he had sexually harassed
a student teacher and that kind of brokeer.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Oh he did.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
And it turned out that the actual story behind it,
and I'd seen the documents, I actually went and foyed
some things for that old school. He had made a
flirtatious line at a student teacher that she took like
took the wrong way. Essentially, there's really no weapon whether
or not it was that that was really what occurred.
She had previously been making like sexually predatory remarks about

(17:18):
the male teachers at the school, and so the double.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Standard, yeap is like wild, and he was casking by.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Like looking back now, I'm it's wild that that wasn't
taken to court, because there's no way that I think
in a court of law you could have actually made
the case that there was any kind of sexual harassment.
But this type of men are bad in education because
men are naturally predatory and women are wonderful and understanding
and their mommy and affirmation and love and wonder It

(17:45):
has ruined education the minute that we have abdicated male
leadership and education like the master model of the trades,
it's completely fallen out from under it. It's why most young
men who fought the real reason most young men find
such joy and fulfillment in working in a trades position

(18:07):
is because they're under the tutelage of a grizzled old
man who just doesn't care about silly stuff right and
actually gets things done and teaches real life skills right.
Men and women do, in fact need that. Strong men
and women are necessary.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
This muling well, you can't say anything mean because that
sex siste and mean.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, I mean you wonder my boss when I was
fired form MYPS, her first name is literally Barbie.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I'm not joking.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh my word, it's too fitting. It's too fitting Bobby.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Maybe it is Bobby, but Barbie it was. It was
like it was a dead match Bobby. But yes, it
was like hmm.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, don't even get me started on these me
two things. Either, because I'm I've been really on an
audiobook kick lately, and I'm just wrapping up listening to
Molly Hemingway and Carrie Sabrinino's book Justice on Trial about
the Kavanaugh rape hookes and that whole situation. And so
I'm real hot and bothered right now about the me
Too era, even though it's a little bit past.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
But alivest toxic Empathy is also really solid on this matter.
And that's I think partly how Ali and I actually
became friends in this movement is my because I'm you'd say, well,
whether are you light on sexual assault? It's no, I'm
I believe that those who are convicted of any crime
regarding like sexual nature, like actual sexual assault, rape, should

(19:28):
be hanged in the public square, right, I mean, erect
a gallows, hang him in the public square. A firing
squad is a type of bravery and mercy. No, I
mean what I mean. So, I just don't believe in
feminizing leadership at the same time, right, right, And it's
also insulting to women because it makes the ideal woman

(19:49):
to be this career lusting, passive, aggressive lady at the
beginning of a Hallmark movie. Hm, you know, like the
CEO from New York who's balancing a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Is she wonderful? And like the best female bosses that
I've had have not been like that at all?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Correct? Correct? Yep, on PC Sorr.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I know we're bouncing around in and of this question,
but yeah, you hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
No, I love that. I actually wrote a piece a
while back about how I very much fit into the
Hallmark stereotype of somebody who aspired to be some level
of that cringe type of boss babe, which is like
the dumbest and cringiest thing I got to ever say
or admit, and then kind of fell backwards into small
town Midwest, met my husband and decided, actually, that sounds

(20:35):
awful and I would rather live a nice trad life here.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I have been fine. So there was a study that
I read recently. I don't have it in front of
me that has shaken my perspective on a ton. I
found it about six months ago. Okay, the longer, on average,
the longer a lady waits to have her first child,
less likely she is to go back to work once.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
She has that child.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
So a woman who has a child at between like
eighteen nineteen to twenty two eighty percent likely to go
to work to put the kid and take care. Someone
who has what would be considered a geriatric pregnancy term
considering like thirty is not old, but still like someone
who has their first baby between ages twenty eight and

(21:23):
thirty five are eighty percent likely not to go.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Back to work.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Interesting does miss.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Financial stability Maybe it's it's you know, but really it's
it's a question of fulfillment, and once you get out
there sample the corporate growing, corporate y ladder, whatever that
has been advertised to young women, you're.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Like, wow, this sucks.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yep, that's what I'm sorry, it's really shaped a lot
of that. A study was like, oh my gosh, yeah,
it's kind of it's a red pill moment.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I think, no, please send that to me, because that's
it's really not surprising. But I wasn't sure how much
the stability component played in where it's like, and that's
how I hate me and you're poor when you're nineteen.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I don't there's I think it's it's two. There
are too many factors and this is the part of
education that always makes me insufferable talking about data points
that there are too many factors. You know, I hate
the word nuance. This is one of those that there
really could be some genuine nuance too though.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, but I will say anecdotally, the more women I
talk to who get to that thirty ish mark who
were previously on the whoops, I forgot to turn off
my reactions, so now everyone can.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm always worried.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's me, even though I'm on a PC, So just
ignore my response to that.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
No, please continue.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I actually did before, and now they must be back on,
so I'm turning that off. Okay. Any who, the more
women I talk to who get to that thirty ish
mark who used to be very very focused on career,
It's it's wild how much there's just a biological and
mental and even spiritual shift that happens. So that study
you're referencing is really not that surprising to me. Even

(23:00):
if there is a component that's a little bit of stability,
I'm sure there's a lot of it that is a fulfillment.
So I wish there were a better way to measure that.
But yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
You have to send it, and that's I will say.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's one of the reasons that I bring up the
study anyway, It's like, well, if you don't think that
the study is full and there's other factors, then why bring.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
It up, Because every anecdote confirms it.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Every single anecdote that I've heard regarding this study confirms it.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, because we also know a lot about how little
financial incentives actually play into when people do or do
not have kids.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Also, it goes the.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Opposite way too, of family, humans innately are given.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I mean, you know, as Christians I might say, is
like the.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Law of God written on individuals' hearts in this discussed
in Psalms that everyone really kind of innately understands the
purpose of family and structure and when individuals are likely happiest.
But this weird, I don't know, like higher civilization washing
that we've done where we say.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Well, actually people who are very happy is.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
A really weird mainstay that we've now brought into every conversation.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
When you've seen this with like the LGBTQ issue, is.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
This, well, and there can be people who are men
are parents than snake parents in me yep, my risks yep. Well,
and the same thing happens my husband and I talk
about this a lot, which maybe this is going to
get me into trouble. This is such a tangent, it's
not even close to what I was going to talk
to you about. But here we are.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
This is what happens conversation. For the record, good rabbit
more fun. Good rabbit trails are more fun than like
an established hiking trail.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
That everyone's way more fun, way more fun. No, but
I've seen this a lot in my own personal life
of like how much it affects men psychologically and spiritually
when they are not the providers in their home. I've
seen a lot of men turn into mister mom and
turn into shells of people with young children. And I'm

(25:00):
not this isn't People will say, oh, you don't think
men should help with the kids, blah blah blah. No,
that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying there
is a nurturing and child rearing role that is so
biologically hardwired into women. That's just different with men, and
men are biologically hardwired to be the providers. Well, I
mean it's biological gets turned on its head. It is

(25:21):
bad for men, like real bad.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Oh it is.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I mean, of course it is but there's some innate
biological factors that people don't ever pay attention to. And
so this is, by the way, you want to know
why I think that the science education thing ended up
really helping. It allows me to be a know it
all at times in ways that like my political opponents
can't possibly touch. I've had the privilege of watching so
many Democrats strategists. I've been put on the other side
of and TV hits. Because now in the National Correspondent,

(25:45):
that's like my day job, so to speak. I'll whip
out some stupid scientific fact that's obscure but true. They
don't know how to address it. Here's one of them. Women,
when children get hurt, naturally secrete a pheromone that draws
their children to them and comforts them. Men do not
men physically biologically, it is impossible for men to comfort

(26:05):
their children as well as women. And by the way,
just while we're sitting here, you know, talking about these things,
even adoptive mothers will still secrete such a pheromone after
kind of like a recognized training. But this is one
of the reasons why surrogacy is kind of an issue biologically,
is that it is much more difficult to establish.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
That kind of pheromonal link.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
One of the reasons we talk about, like the you know,
rates of estrogen, how hormones change during pregnancy preps women
to do this. There's a secretion of that, like as
you get to the ninth month of pregnancy. So anyway,
it's also why women are also considered like these supporters
in the home to support the provider. That kind of
comfort also comes out for husband too, a distinctly different

(26:52):
pheromonal marker. But you know, that's the like our hormone system,
and we've already seen that broader society with how they're
just chucking hormones that people has no idea what the
heck they're doing with those are.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
My word, seriously, and it's not just trans it's also
just like making women more like men with the pill.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
There.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
This goes so deep. It's not just maybe the most
obvious things people think of.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
If you know how people say that the way the
body is organized with like the oh, the nervous system
is so incredible, like how all of these nerve endings
like it, it speaks to the truth that there's a
god because those like how complex the eye is for
me just as a science teacher and as an anatomy
and physiology teacher.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
It also.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
The system of the body that most echoes the clear
command that it is not just God but a Christian
God is the endocrine system. The endocrine system is so
coded to basic human morality. Yes, it's not even funny.
I mean, how are It's not even something that you
can pavlov away and change realistically.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I mean it comes through like Jack Nicholson with the Acts.
It's like, this is how it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Man, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, Oh you leave education.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, come up with a follow up question for that, Kylie,
You get into politics all right?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
You said that you were always kind of interested in
politics as a kid or whatever because of your dad's
work and whatnot. But was it always something that you
actually gravitated toward, Like was there a tipping point moment
or a particular political issue that kind of catalyzed you
into being interested in writing or getting in the movement
or was it really just the education stuff, like what
actually pulled you in?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I mean, I've been interested in politics since I watched
as a four year old George Bush, you know, kick
the crap out of the election in oh four. Politics
is always, I think initially innately fascinated me because of
the drama.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
The drama is interesting. I enjoy watching politics in a way.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
That anyone who knows Tony that's not surprising.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
That's not no. I enjoy watching politics the way that
a lot of people enjoy watching the Office. I do.
It is the ta It's fun.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
There's also a pattern psychology element that is deeply fascinating
to me. And you find a lot of my writing
and exploit nations have to do with how people think
and feel and connecting the common sense that everyone has
to the broader philosophies and political ethos that I've added
through reading and writing, whether they be Thomas Sole or
whether it be Robert Heinlein who wrote the book Starship Troopers.

(29:15):
So those particular aspects of what was the driving moment
that made me dive into politics was in twenty fifteen,
and it was with our friend Ethan Hoffman. So I
was in a dorm room and I was working with
like I think one of our guys was trying to
convince me to work with Governor Walker. I said yes,
but there was a clinical aspect of it. I was
just doing it because I was told I'd be good

(29:36):
at it. I was taking kind of a break that
every kid who may have been involved in politics or
avery young man goes to college and they'll either take
a break from politics or they'll get into a really
stupid ideology. Mine was I kind of went more both
sides are bad libertarian, like just a year or two.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Because I was worst pat you could possibly.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Take everyone's really stupid and that saying everyone is stupid
makes me smart. And there was this video and I
can't remember the guy, but there was this video of
this guy that was shared on Twitter and everywhere at
the time where America is not a great country.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Today, but we sure used to be. We used to
disagree with each other.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
And we used to talk and if I said the
name of the actor, you would know it. But it
was paraded around as this, both sides are bad. America
used to be a good place. And our friend Ethan
walked into the dorm room where I was watching that,
and he said that video is retarded.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
He said that video is awful, and I.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Was like, oh, no, it's not, and he said, no,
it's kind of the worst. And he pulls out a
Stephen Crowder clip okay and plays his breakdown of that,
and I was like, oh my gosh, you're right. How
could I ignored the history of that? And that flipped
a switch in my mind and what suddenly became a
fascination with me were people gaslighting and just changing the

(30:53):
history of real.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Things that happened. And that's because I.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Now, even today our show over at the Daily Signal
is a huge portion of what we do is accountability.
And I keep receipts better than CVS does because I
can't stand people who think they're just going to get
away with totally rewriting history right after something occur. Now,
the nation became obsessed with it through COVID, and that's

(31:18):
one of the things that catapulted me to being not
just maybe another voice out there, is because I was
already obsessed with it, people then said oh, okay, you're
doing it good, here you go, and then threw me forward.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I would say, okay, yeah, yeah. And it's especially needful
because the left wing corporate media industrial complex exists to
do the opposite, like they exist to rewrite the history,
and of course that sets the narrative, and so it's
super important to have people who with the receipts, which

(31:53):
is one thing that I'm loving from this book that
I'm reading now, that Justice on Trial of just the
receipts that Molly and Carrie produce, where Democrats just just
completely ignored witness statements and evidence and I mean everything
and just totally spun a narrative that was so contrary
to the truth. But they do that with everything. I mean,
this is every single news cycle you can possibly think of.

(32:15):
And so yeah, I mean that's the importance of conservative
media and people who are willing to keep the receipts
and say what's true.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I would say this is the other half of why
my education training really became useful, because would they would
take what you just talked about and as the receipts
as the curriculum, like the physical media and the evidences
of objective actions which occurred. But in education, when you're teaching,
it's not just what you teach. There is also how
you teach it. It's called pedagogy, and if you're really stupid,

(32:44):
you pronounce it pedagogy or pedagogy. Sorry, this is a
little little fun quirk that no one asked for. The
pedagogy of media Bothers the living hell out of me,
the way to transform hormonal experimentation on children into gender
affirming care.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
YEP, they don't.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Say it's not pro life and pro choice, it's pro
choice and anti abortion, right those kinds of languages.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
For example.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I know that obviously, when you record a show like this,
talking about news events is not always the wisest. The
dearborn terrorist attack, which was stopped by the FBI, you'll
notice that many of the media outlets in USA today,
the Associated Press, initially they didn't include the word dearborn
the name of the town in the title. They just
said Michigan. Why say Michigan? In people's minds, what are

(33:34):
the last couple of attacks that occurred in Michigan. You
can think of the guy who assaulted the Mormon church,
and then also you think of the plot to kidnap
Governor Gretchen.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Whitmer, which is she's a Democrat.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Automatically think, oh, conservatives did this so by in Michigan
instead of dearborn, everyone knows in America that falls politics
at all.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Dearborn Muslims.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean, it's that kind of insidious pedagogy that also
infuriates me, and it's why right wing media is important.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
When I was in Israel, I called the Israel government
about this over I actually.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Argued with the Speaker of the House and also two
of their lead anchors, you know, like they're their version
of like Brett Baher for instance, that like everyone would
recognize their Walter Cronkite kind of person. I said, Okay,
when you guys call a press conference, so you guys
will get on stage and you will whine that the
majority of the world lies about what you're doing, and
the major media.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Outlets per se, BBS, Sky News, whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
But then when you call a press conference, who do
you invite to the press conference? Are you inviting the
Daily Signal? You inviting the Federalists? Are you inviting BB News?
Who are you inviting?

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Oh, you're inviting the same.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
People right right.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I know they've that's been this year to grow it
if you want it to change.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
The new media seat in the White House Press briefing
room has been truly a huge change. And it's so
sad that a single seat given to alternative media is
such a win, but it is. It truly is. So
we have this administration to thank for that.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And also I would say that the work from some
of our colleagues on two different sides of the right,
so to speak, would be Mary Margaret Olihan at the
Daily Wire formerly the Daily Signal, good friend, and then
also the I cannot remember her name and I'm gonna
have to learn it here pretty soon, the young blonde
reporter for Mike Linde l TV. Her don't know the

(35:25):
name yep, by the way, I mean you would. Those
who are watching this would know if they follow politics.
She's the lady that's gotten all of the really good
clips lately. That's gotten Maxine Waters to admit that they
shut the government down over legal immigrants. That got had
Keen Jeffries to lose his mind, that got Nancy Pelosi
to yell about the National Guard.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
All of those hurt.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
That kind of the right wing just deciding now that
our media is just as good and just as important.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Taking the free press as seriously as we take CBS
is what got Barry Wise that position by just saying, Okay,
you know what, Actually, the Daily Wire is just as
serious as CNN. Know, Federalist is just as serious as MSNBC.
Taking that side of approach, I mean, it's it's a
fake it till you make it on a national scale

(36:09):
in a way. Yeah, but it's not faking it, you
know what I mean though, they're just the consonants of
assuming it.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
But it's not even just the confidence. It's also it
has to start with not looking for pats on the
back or for good contracts and gigs. You know, like
you can't be you know, David French comes to mind,
but there are many, many more David Frenches in the world.
You cannot be aspiring to be a columnist for WAPO

(36:34):
or the New York Times in order to do your
to make your assent in conservative politics, because if you are,
you will not be a conservative commentator for very long,
you know. You it's not just about the confidence, and
it's also but it also can't be about, you know,
climbing the ladder. It's like you just have to go
in and not care who likes you. You know, if
you if you are getting glossy coverage in the Wall

(36:56):
Street Journal or anywhere else, you're probably not doing it right.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
So I talked about this when I was getting started,
So when I was still at Lawrence North, which is
where I taught between Nightstown and ips. The COVID thing
was just getting started, and I had these masters reies
in that thesis that I talked about earlier, and WFYI,
the PBS nprsh station here in Indiana, had invited me
on to talk as because I was this young and

(37:23):
up and coming education guy who had called something in
advance it would become a trend, but they didn't know
it yet. They invited me on, and then my school
system flipped out and said, no, he can't go on
and talk because my school knew that I was writing
right wing commentary articles at the time. But since then,
WFYI and other stations of that nature have internal policies

(37:48):
where they say, do not mention Tony Kinnett, do not
talk about him, because that elevates the work. And so
I just focused on, Okay, we're just going to write
the best stuff at the time over at Chalkboard Review,
which we'd founded for this reason, to focus on the
good content and not focus on, Oh, I'm going to
keep on going until I'm hired by X or whatever.
I'm going to keep on going until I'm at the

(38:10):
New York Post or at the New York Times or
what have you. And there is a danger not just
the David French that wing over on social media, the
people who desperately want to be the breaking news influencer.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
So this is actually my quibble with Bennie Johnson. I
don't mind saying publicly that Benny often is so obsessed
with being out in front and being the guy that
people cite. And by the way, I've cited him a lot,
and as someone who has kind of a long standing
rivalry with him, like stealing my memes and not crediting me,
like ten years of that, that's always been kind of
a joke that to cite Benny, I'm really admitting he

(38:48):
did some great reporting here, and he has back saying
whether Laura.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Trump was gonna run for the Senate or something. That's
an example.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
But at times he'll get so excited to be the
guy that people give praise to, he.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Won't fact check his stuff. He'll see a rumor.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
And he'll just go tweet it, and then it's embarrassing
because now that has to be taken down. So there's
the aspiration to be the wrong thing, and there's also
the aspiration to be the big influencer that everyone thinks
is really impressive, right right.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Both of those are damaging.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Right right. It's it turns into this weird third way
sort of you know, it's whether it's uh, whether they're
doing it spiritually or politically. It's kind of like what
you described as your brand of politics in college, where
you just kind of you you brand yourself as this
like moderate who's kind of above it all, and like
that's just not a good way to actually tell the truth, correct.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, And that's my big issue with David French is
it's like he just came out, so, you know, David
French praising the Hamasniks and the zorn Mandani's and like
the Antifa crew and then turning around and saying, you
know what, Christians need to shape up because I'm a
Christian and I'm a conservative.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
It's like, no, you're not.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
To say his safe conservatism from itself. We have to
elect Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
No.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
There was an interview with David French I think it
was earlier this year that I talked about on a
previous podcast, and he gets asked about his job offer
to join the New York Times as a columnist, and
he talks about how like, oh, I wasn't expecting it
at all, but it was such an honor. I was
just so thrilled to be called. I'm like, no self
respecting conservative would be honored or flattered by a job

(40:25):
a job offer at the New York Times. That would
be a sign that it's time for you to get
the heck out of conservative journalism because you don't belong there.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Like, that's such a cultured and measured response. Because when
you described his response to me, the first thing that
came out as wow, that's just really gay.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Like imagine going, oh, the New York Times is Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I know, dude, testosterone gets some They make it in
pills now, I mean, come on, man.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, and he loves when people take those pills. It's
the blessing of liberty. Yeah, I'm ready to say it.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Just go to the doctor's office, you tell him you
want to become a man, and you know, I don't know,
just just go for it, bud.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yikesh Yeah, Tony, how so, of course we know your
horrible political takes from your college era, you self righteous
libertarian you.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I dumped immediately after that Stephen Crowder video. I immediately
dumped it and never never looked back once.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
God bless Ethan Hoffman for radically changing the trajectory of
your life.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I don't even think that he knows.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't even think that he knows, because after that
I actually got into all of the podcastersphere, like the
Benchpiro Show and other stuff. And I mean I was
still for manufacturing firearms questionably legally and have but that's
you know, I still, yeah, I've become way more socially
conservative and like, yeah, there are some decisions that you know,
you don't get to abuse your children. Sorry, that's not libertarian.

(41:48):
You know, that's not a free speech issue. You're just
that person.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2 (42:28):
Get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, I was just going to ask, since you, since
you've made your way into the political fray, and especially
since the Trump era of politics, like what the main
ways your political philosophy has shifted.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Oh, this is a good one.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
This is a great question because my answer is very,
very unique, and I've talked about it before, so it won't.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Be two verbose.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
There is a book that I've already referenced in this
chat called Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein. It is not
the nineteen ninety's satire version that has some great acting
and also some interesting topless scenes. That's not why you
should just like making it clear what it's not. The

(43:13):
nineteen fifty nine book by Robert Heinlein is the only
piece of fiction that the US Army recommends to its
officers as a novel. It is a really it is
a political philosophy novel masquerading as a sci fi novel.
Like the Harry Potter series, Harry Potter books are not
actually books about magic and wizard y things. They're mystery

(43:33):
books masquerading as a fantasy, and the philipolitical philosophy of
Robert Heinlein all goes and boils down to what it
means to be a citizen, who should get.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
To vote and why?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
And this is a thing that humanity has really wrestled with,
and the unlimited democracy of everyone gets all of the privileges,
but none of the consequences and the responsibility at the time,
he said in fifty nine, would go on to tear
down the way, and he said, so, the answer to
this is that everyone needs in their society. Everyone has

(44:06):
to demonstrate their willingness to sacrifice themselves for the whole
of the nation by demonstrating federal service. And that doesn't
mean serving in the military as they portrayed in the
nineties movie. But you have to demonstrate even giving your
life if necessary through a dangerous or a difficult job,
that you are willing to give your life to the whole.
That's how you win the franchise to vote. And it

(44:29):
is your constitutional right to serve, so whether or not.
And they make a point of this in the book
because they say the character Johnny Rico, the main guy,
he's applying to serve because he he's a pretty girl
and he wants to impress her in the uniform, and
he's really getting nervous because there's all of these tests
he wasn't expecting. And he asked the doctor, you know,

(44:50):
am I doing well? Do you think I'm going to fail?
And he says, oh, we're not allowed to fail people.
He said, if you came into this office and you
were blind and deaf and crippled, he said, we would
still except you. We would just find something difficult and
arduous for you to do, maybe counting the hair on
a caterpillar by touch. And the reason is is access
to performing said service unlimited, but you have to demonstrate it.

(45:13):
Right now, we have a lot of people who have
conscript syndrome. We have people who resent America because they're
told to vote.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
You need to vote, you need care. And it's because
everyone's a citizen.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Why does the idiot who doesn't want anything to do
with civic virtue have as much political power as I do,
who cares and invests the time?

Speaker 3 (45:34):
And it's like, oh, you want a polling tax?

Speaker 4 (45:36):
No no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Everyone should have equal access to do so It's why
I don't believe a conscript military is a terrible thing
because if you're in a foxhole next to someone and
he was drafted there and doesn't want to be there,
how likely is that he actually has his back. If
you have to get up and run and you need
him to give you covering fire, he's more likely to
sit in the foxhole, let you die and save his
own skin. That's what American politics has become a festering

(46:00):
wamp of in the Trump era in the last couple
of years.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I have read that book eight times.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Wow, what is it called again? Say the name of.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
It Ourship Troopers Troopers nineteen fifty nine, And it's a.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Very good novel, and he does.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
It's also helped by the fact that a lot of
sci fi novels that are older sucked because they don't
understand how to predict things. He kind of accurately predicts
the way the tech realistically develops, but that's not hinging
on the story, and the author actually makes a point
to say that it's a political philosophy book that wrestles
the entire time, essentially having flashbacks to his high school
history and moral philosophy course and wrestling with like why

(46:39):
does everything boil down to, like, why is everything the
government boiling down to a gun? Particulated this before so
of every other political philosophy. At some point every law
is backed up by the government having to put you
down to enforce it if necessary, even a parking ticket,
it's enforced by the gun. So if all of government

(46:59):
adds action is naked brutal violent force in opposition to
the female the feminine violence never solves anything, Well, then
how do we responsibly use the force?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Right?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And I'm not talking George Lucas, like, how do we
actually responsibly use that governmental naked brutal force?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Right?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
And it's sorry, That's just how my political philosophy has changed.
That's made me more, as you can tell, like actually conservative,
as opposed to if we just let everyone go, then
social contract everyone will act wonderfully. No, Lord of the
Flies made it clear that that's bs right. Right.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Well, since you brought up George Lucas, I will just
let the listeners in on a little bit of lore.
I don't know if you remember this, Tony, but well
I know you remember part of this. Back in the day,
in the college days, Tony and I were in the
same traveling choir and so we would go on tour
in the spring and in the fall or whenever it was,
and we we fifty of us or whatever would be
stuck on a tour bus and we would go around

(47:54):
to wherever we were going for a week and sing
in all these churches and schools and whatnot, and on
this seat in the on the bus. You would be
assigned to seats for like each leg of the trip.
And the one day I was assigned to sit next
to Tony. And I am not a sci fi girl
at all, like, actually largely hate the genre unless there's, like,
you know, a standout thing very rare that I like

(48:16):
a sci fi think. And Tony was like, you've never
seen Star Wars. We need to watch Star Wars. And
he turned on episode three year episode one or whatever
the heck the first one is. That's not really the
first one. It's actually kind of for okay whatever. And
I was borrowing his doctor who blanket and watching Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
That wasn't my doctor who blanket, No.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Who was doctor who Blanket. I was borrowing a doctor
who blanket and I was watching Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
And it was worst.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Oh yeah, it was the worst couple of hours of
my life.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
That was never was not mine, that was not my doctor.
I don't care for doctor who. That's because of a
high school X that that was obsessed with it and
I was. But that Star Wars, Yeah, sorry for making
you watch a new hope you're well.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
It was horrible. It was horrible, and I have never
watched another episode of Star Wars or whatever you want
to call them again. And so anyway, so all of
that to say, I'm I'm very gun shy about Tony's
sci fi recommendations, but this book actually sounds good and
I don't have to add it to my list it is.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
And again it's I'm not saying that it's perfect or
finished worker that I endorse absolutely everything, but the fundamental
question of how we save ourselves from an an infantile
view of justice like because he wrestles with the idea
of cruel and unusual punishment, which is essential to why
is the biggest punishment you can get for a crime

(49:38):
in most states, a taxpayer funded timeout with more reading, exercise,
and entertainment.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Then many people can work to afford and.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Achieve why Why Why is it? And also sorry, the
long ideas of also as levels is going to sound
to people. Why is it that there is such a
moral abhorrence towards uh, like the idea of like Guantanamo
after nine ele it's like, oh, they were waterboarding, and
don't you think that's really cruel and unusual? No, and

(50:10):
there's an aspect of a brutal realism that I think
that can become nihilistic and despondent. And just pretending that
we're not going to play with those toys and so
no one else is ever going to play with those
toys is a dangerous thing. And the rights realizing this
right now, like oh, we don't want Trump to prosecute
his political enemy. We just you know, actually the person

(50:34):
who got me off of that is the other political
change that I've dealt with, and it deals with podcasting
but also politics. Remember Julian Smith on YouTube, famous YouTuber
that a lot of millennials enjoyed. I had a meeting
with him about a year ago and I was asking
him for some advice because the show was starting to
really grow and maybe it was earlier this year either way,

(50:57):
show was really starting to pick up steam. But I
had some questions and concerns and something i'd always hated,
was Benny, if you're your staff here this is not
a personal slight, but like the Benny Johnson esque thumbnail
style you have, like the and the red circle and
the arrows and the lines. And I had an issue
with that because we're talking about how you do things
on the back end, the pedagogy.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Of how you produce a show.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And I said, I don't want to I'm not trying
to lure my audience into something. I don't want to
bait them in like a cheap commercial. I'm not trying
to do that. And he said, I understand that, and
you shouldn't lie to your audience, he said, but he said,
you need to play by the rules of the game.
I don't understand what is after he said, Tony, he
said when you because I started to ask and he
cut me off and was like, shut up, listen. When

(51:40):
you play Monopoly, are there rules that you do not like?
And say, yeah, I mean there's some bs and monopoly.
Everyone knows this, he says, But when you are playing Monopoly,
are there any rules that you ignore because you don't
like them? No, you play by the rules why.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Because you want to win?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
And right now there are rules on the table. There
are certain thresholds that have been crossed, certain rubicons that
have been forded, certain norms that have been shattered, and
so either you play to win the game. Like redistricting
is how I feel. There are a lot of conservatives Indianame.
We can't redistrict. Oh no, I'm like, I'm sorry. Why
does the racist piece of human trash Andre Carson deservacy

(52:20):
because you endorse the idea of drawing a little circle
around Indianapolis because that's where you think the black people live,
and so they get to.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Elect Like, that's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Why are we playing by that antiquated, deeply racist and
divisionist rule.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
No, right, right, that's also changed.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
But Tony, what if a future Democrat president were to
weaponize the full power of the federal government to go
against his political opponents. Whatever would we do?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I enjoy that. I enjoy the comment from conservatives that
will point out things that Biden did. But my favorite
take on this is to play the interviews from right
before the election where Kamala Harris promised to pack the
Supreme Court to univerually add states to the union. Yep
is where Biden tried to just wash slap in a

(53:07):
constitutional amendment by tweet ignoring the Supreme Court, obviously, but
the things that Kamala Harris promised to do, things that
Gavin Newsom has promised to do.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Ye. And the argument that.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I get from moderates these days is, well, you don't
know if they're really going to do that. And if
I ever hear a moderate conservative try to tell me
that in person, I am actually going to slap them.
I'm going to reach back like a like a butler
in an old movie and go, you per I'm a
slap them, because that is the most brain debt.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
They've already doing it.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
They are at the level of never giving power up
again and committing maximum violence.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
When they do it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah, yep, And you're on my hand that I want
to be holding up during this conversation.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
By the way, they actually do honor their campaign promises,
like look at Letitia James, perfect example, you know, and
like replicate that across all elected Democrats.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
The way I love the argument that Zorn Mandani is, oh,
you don't know that he would do any of that.
He doesn't have the power to do so, Oh yes,
notable respector of the law. Mandanies Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Oh I'm convinced.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah. Maybe not the physical power we've all seen the
man try to do a one bench press, but the
political power. They will seize the crap out of that.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Yep. Yeah, of course they'll fight dirty. Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
And when Nick Soleim Nick Solheim over at Boston University said,
you know what, you might have to be willing to die,
and we have willing to sacrifice your life. Again, there's
that idea of the responsibility of the citizen in order
to maintain the American ways of life. And then the
chapter president or the university intimidation. There's some questions as

(54:46):
to who really threw the switch to disavow him and
say that's really bad. How dare you young Republicans don't
stand for that? Then what are you standing for? This
fetishization of the status quo Ropean conservatives that's what that
is that European it's lost every time. Europeans have never
had that style of clinging to the past conservatism that's

(55:07):
done anything for them.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yep, yep. And there is a wing of the Republican
Party that I think it thinks it's bigger than it is,
but it's very, very loud that is very self righteously
advocating for this style of politics right now, and it's
really frustrating because it's like amnesia about what we've experienced

(55:31):
as Conservatives, as Christians, as Republicans, and just as citizens
of this country over the past decade, like since the
Obama era. I would say, yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And the problem that I see in this is that, realistically,
there are two I've said openly, there are two groups
right now, and I've said this on the air before,
So here we go. There are two people right now
who are equally annoying me. There are those who say
we need to walk in lockstep with everyone and accept
all behavior, and actually we need to lean into the
worst behavior because it's good, because it's good that they're

(56:01):
saying it.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
It's good because if the left hates.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
It, and if anyone hates it, that must mean it's
really really good. And then the people I equally hate
are those who are the really picky, finicky let's not
get hasty, hang on norms. Both of those crews are
wrong and are very, very, very annoying at the present time.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I really abhor.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
The junior high limp wristed slapping, contest. But I think
the real reason that I, you know, what do you
want to call them the so far to the right
that they're getting into the really weird conspiracy land and
the really stupid crap and the obsession with the Jews
and all of that. The reason I think they've gained
so much popularity is because that is one of the
only crews that is providing pictures of where they want

(56:48):
America to go. Maybe, and as it's often the case,
ninety nine percent of that the things that they say
need to be overcome to get there are wrong, fact wrong,
are built on wrong answers, and are also morally gross.
But they're the only ones painting a picture most of
the right. The reason the right's not actually doing a
good job fighting them right now is because there's no picture.

(57:09):
You're not saying here's where we could go, which is
American conservatism. They're doing European conservatism. No, no, no, we
need to just stay here. The reason Donald Trump's twenty
twenty four announcement speech that he was going to run
for reelection was good was because of all of the
things that he said that everyone's completely forgotten since.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
He said we're going to go Demas, first country to
go Demas, and that's painting a picture.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I was the only guy to this day, I think
the only guy said That was the moment that sold
me on his campaign. Before that, I had made a
fifty dollars donation to DeSantis, But once he said we're
going to be the first country to go to Mars,
I was sold.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I was sold, yep, because of the vision.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Where are we going?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
What are we doing? And the right used to do that,
We're not doing that anymore. And if it doesn't even
matter if there is only one if there's only one
party painting a pick, sure of where we go, what
are we solving, what are we doing? It doesn't matter.
If all of the stuff around the painting, what's holding
the painting up, is disgusting and it's vile and it's wrong,

(58:11):
people are going to gravitate towards it. Right, provide the
picture right?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
So true. I would love to hear changing gears away
from politics just a little bit. But I would love
to learn since you've gotten married, since you've had kids,
like how has your faith and your relationship with God
evolved as you've kind of grown up from the young
buck teacher in Indiana public schools to married father of two. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
One of the biggest things that I have struggled with
since in kind of in my faith in getting older
and getting married, is there is a lot of stuff
that young parents struggle with and deal with that is
not really talked about or supported really in a lot

(59:09):
of today's churches, and it's it's frustrating. I remember thinking,
you know, like the proper division of like the groups
of like Christians, Like for Sunday school class. If you're
gonna have like Sunday school teachers to you know, teach
lessons or have Bible studies on particular topics, you would
have like the preschool age kids, and then you'd have

(59:30):
like the elementary kids, and then your teen class, and
then you would have college and career which is for
young adults who aren't married, the singles, and then you
would have married but not elderly, and like then you
would have your.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Senior saying you're elderly.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I have completely changed on that because there are a
lot of questions that I have, like dealing with parents
when your parents.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
People don't realize a lot that generation X.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
The biggest like generational issue with X is that they
just a lot of them never grew up, they didn't
want to grow up. And when those people try to
start becoming grandparents, there are questions that I have, Like
it's apparent, like how do you work with things, how
do you deal with things? How do you move through
certain things?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
And there's kind of a gap there that I that
like we haven't really done a good job in the
faith really incorporating young families, and like the actual why
you should have lots of kids that Catholics.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Do very well and everyone doesn't. And I mean you
can get.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Into the theological issue of like, well that's because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Of the the praising of like birth control and family
planning in Protestant circles.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
That's not biblical, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Just and no at all, and and and this this
leaving there was an American dream that became really really
materialistic for the Protestant community that we could all have
our little picket fence and he only have as many
kids as we want. And again it comes from that
never wanting to grow up and experiencing, you know, the

(01:00:57):
good old boy kind of frat atmosphere of the country
as long as you could getting as much out of
it you can and that's not proper. So my faith
has become very way more focused on the actual American
family rather than just being an individual actor in America itself.
Like the family unit has become a huge focus of
my faith. And the reason I often joke that I'm

(01:01:21):
kind of like the most Catholic, the most pro Catholic
of the Baptists out here, is that they do understand
a lot about raising strong families that has not only
been very very good for culture, it's been good for
community and also fulfilling. People just don't understand how fulfilling
some of this stuff is, how deeply spiritual it is
to become one with your spouse, to actually become you

(01:01:44):
are one flesh. Yep, you are the same person. How
you become like your spouse. That is discouraged in a
lot of American culture that you're supposed to treat your
spouse as, you know, the nagging wife who wants you
to say, and then the women who treat their husband
as just the dumb idiot that the ape that I'm

(01:02:06):
forced to live with I have really grown. I always
hated that the finding nemoness of culture because Marlon is
painted as this stupid dad who doesn't understand its.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Support and he's a big dumb idiot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Oh and it's everywhere in culture. I mean, the cultural
messaging is completely pervasive. Like try to find a sitcom
where that isn't the troupe where the dad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Isn't like him and you can even see this. There
were moments in for example, family matters, in which Carl,
the police officer, would be the right one and his wife,
the strong, powerful black woman who was also a lawyer,
and she's out here corporating and mothering and stuff where
he would be right and she would be wrong, and
then the really sweet, sexy, soulful saxophone music would swing

(01:02:47):
in and it would be in a very endearing moment
where she's saying, you know what, Carl, sometimes I need
you to and then it would you know, swell and
it be wonderful and then it will run end and
I knew that and it'd be good. Then you got
into this era of American sit where everyone was Ray
Romano right, and Ray was yeah, Rah, and he was
always wrong right and he's by the way, He and

(01:03:08):
Patricia Heaton have actually talked about that a little bit
since then. In America is coming out of that is
it's a very essential for the men are all and
by the way, I used to tell my students this, biologically,
men are always at least a little bit stupid. Women
are always at least a little bit crazy. Stereotypes or
stereotypes for a reason. Kids, But that doesn't mean that
leaning into it and treating your one flesh, your partner,

(01:03:32):
your best friend as the ball and chain, so to speak,
is worth it. And if there's why millennials have been
enamored with So what did millennials get out of UP
Disney Pixar, Because that came out of it UP. Remember
when we were in college, UP had kind of come

(01:03:52):
out when people talked about UP in our generation as
like the last of the millennials, what is it like?
Would most pop up from that movie? And it's not
Doug or the little kid that bothered Carl?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Oh gosh, the old couple like their relationship. Is that
what it was? Or Okay, yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
What everyone wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yep, that's what that's what Seriously we would talk about,
like I said, that's the end the dating profiles. What
you wanted, you wanted, you wanted Carl and Ellie, you
wanted the the Yeah you wanted the lovely life together
that was codependent and sweet and traditional. And people like
to give gen Z a lot of credit as the
first generation.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
That's going back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
It was the last of the millennials that watched this
weird dynamic of marriage that Generation X portrayed as a
pendulum swing away from the Boome esque kind of that
seventies show.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Very harsh, you know, you know, or the Archie bunk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Greg come, I need it, you know, like kind of
man and wife, very stern, argumentative. Then we swung, we
started to swing back, and I think that's that my
faith has cemented that in place that our our marriage
is much more kind of traditional in that is. But
my wife used to be a teacher. Now she stays
at home. We were just talking about this last night.
Actually also building a double shower so that we can

(01:05:12):
stand next to each other in the shower and not
be cold and talk to each other. And time together
has been wonderful. I've become obsessed with building house projects
for Bethany, like Hawkeye does for his family, and like
the Marvel series, how like there's always a project he's
working on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
At home for his wife. Yep, yeah, I've become obsessed
with that. I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I mean there's so much just these like a
little pervasive lies or like just bad, really bad teaching
about relationships that just seeps into even like churchy culture,
even if you're not hearing it from the pulpit. Like
I don't even remember where I heard this, but when
I heard this, I remember thinking like, oh, yeah, that's
so true, like before I became a wife, about how

(01:05:55):
somebody was complaining about how Oh I hate it when
couples call their spouse my better half or whatever, because
you don't cease being a whole person when you're married,
Like you're not half a person. Your spouse isn't your
better half, Like you're also just.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Whole rebellion and it's like why why in classes and
having those weird arguments of like why someone should or
shouldn't take the last name and well I'm still.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
And it's like, oh my gosh. Now now on the
other side.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Of marriage and the immaturity of that is it's distasteful.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Oh, I mean, it's weird. I don't know it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, I'm definitely think a normalization of gossiping about spouses,
like of you know, women talking poorly about their spouses
when they get together, or men talking poorly about their wives.
It's just like, why are we doing this? Like we're
we're a team. That's the whole point of marriage is
that we are one flesh. And it's just like, why
would you why would you undercut your own interests by
talking bad about someone who's literally your own flesh. It's

(01:06:52):
just it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Oh you how much that upsets me? And guys that
I've been around, not now I unfortunately not that anybody
does it perfectly like you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
There I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
And by the way, like you know, there are things
that my wife and I agree not to talk about
to our friends because there's not like some things, because
you do share some things about, not like in a
mocking way, but even like some like more intimate and
embarrassing things. You know that you may have a best
friend that you don't want really said to that best friend,
you know, something along those lines. But I would say
that when I moved into the DC sphere and I

(01:07:27):
met a lot of the coastal elite youths who are
around us, I've seen some of them also doing like
the gospeling about spouse stuff. And I'm not trying to
impress anyone to say this, but there have been times
where I would be like, I don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
To hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I don't I don'tant to hear you talk about your
wife like that, you've got problems, you go talk to
her and your pastor no.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Do you watch I think you should leave? Please tell
me you've seen it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yes, Oh I mean, oh of course, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I love my wife. I shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, I'm just thinking about wearing a hot dog suit
and crashing into a suit store.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
So my husband and I are currently watching The Chair Company,
So I don't know if you've seen that yet, but
you'll have to. Yeah, we're on. We watched the first
two episodes, I think, and so far I'm in it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
So I'm jealous that right now you have time to
watch things with your husband on it right now. I
don't think that I can always tell when my wife
has gotten kind of sad that we're no longer watching
something together because she desists into watching like older shows
that I despise, like All Come In and like Gilmore
Girls Will Beyond, and I want to chuck my glasses

(01:08:29):
like that one guy on Instagram who tastes something good
and he just like throws his glasses in anger. That's
how I feel when like Gilmore Girls is on. But no,
I love the I miss watching still I'm jealous. You
get to actually have time to do that. I wish
I had time to do that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
It's kind of a nightly ritual or as often as
we can fit it in, but it's always like half
an episode of something because without fail, I fall asleep.
So we watch shows at ten to fifteen minute chunks.
So it's you know, it's not like we're getting all
of this uninterrupted time to watch something because I always
blow it. But but we do our best. Were the
elderly watching the chair I ten minutes at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Other now yeah, yeah, we're the elderly couple reading into
our kindle paper whites in bed next to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
She's in the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
How I Met Your Dragon or how to Train Your Dragon,
Oh my gosh, not How I Met your Mother, not
how to Train Your Dragon, How to Train Your Dragon series,
and I'm like rereading an alternate World War two history
book because of course I am.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yes, I've been really into audiobooks because I love to read,
but I have this problem where I don't actually spend
most of my days on camera. I spend most of
my days editing, and so I read all day every day,
and the last thing I want to do when I'm
done with work is close my laptop and pick up
a book. And so I've been listening to lots of
audiobooks and I've been loving it. And I've been reading

(01:09:46):
so many more books lately because I've been listening to them.
And I think some people have a hard time digesting
them or like getting into them, but as somebody who
listens to a lot of podcasts, it's super natural and
easy for me. Like I think I get just as
much information listening as I do reading. And wow, I've
been loving that. So I'm not really a sit in
bed and read person or I will fall asleep on
page two. But audiobooks are my jam right now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
So I do have some audio books that I that
I listen to while I'm working. Here's a fun secret
of me, which is really, well, it's not really a
super secret.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
I hate podcasts. I hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
I hate I hate discasting, I hate I hate podcasts.
I do I've never listened to a podcast outside of
a couple of news things that like are on my list,
and I would prefer to watch them or at least
have them on on video. So I have a couple
of podcasts that I do try to watch or shows
that I watch every day just to make sure. Is

(01:10:36):
I don't think I know everything I know shocker, But
I do keep up with some other podcasts to see, Okay,
what are what's the more establishment to me guys talking
about on their show you Know What's to the ride?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
To me?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
What's this person talking about? Those have become less accessible
to me in the last couple of weeks because they
often write their shows the day before and we start
writing our show three hours before it goes live at seven,
and so we're ahead of them in the news cycle.
So most often what we're finding now is that I'm

(01:11:09):
hearing news I've already heard, right, And I guess we're
getting better because we're covering the same stories. So that's
a stress point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
But I don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Podcasts in general, so I'm in a rough, weird, kind
of a lapse spot here and I do not like them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Or is it like a certain genre of them that
you like, or I mean, do you not ever sit
down and listen to a Rogan podcast or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
The last Rogan podcast that I listened to was when
he was talking with that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Wesley Huff guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that did the debate on the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Bibles or I don't know if it's actually right right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
And before that, I think it was. I didn't even
listen to all of his one with Vance. I listened
to the one with him and Trump because I was
actually about two feet over there painting the ceiling or no,
I think I was like trying to shove insulation in
the ceiling listening to Trump talk about real estate like
in a way that was very detailed and like impressive
and knowledgeable, and that stuck with me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
But I don't, really, I don't. I just don't, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
I never wanted to do a podcast because now I'm
of course running two of them, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
I think they're often desisting into what this is for
people who don't know us.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Is this us just talking? And I like that because
you get like, you know, you get interested enough.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
But I have a problem, And my problem is if
I listen to something like this long enough, it will
no longer be enough for me to listen to it.
Now I want to talk to them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Like, after I listened to like a year or so
of the Ben Shapiro shaw I was like, all right,
I want to like be on a speaking basis with him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Yeah, because you feel like you know the people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
The Ruthless guys like the Ruthless podcast guys who listen
to I see are kind of more like slightly more
establishment tee I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
They're not really establishment, but they're.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
More DC oriented maybe than I am, and more politically
pragmatic in some ways than I am. And I also
listened to them for a while and I was like,
all right, I'm gonna have to meet these guys, and
now I have like I've done, so I just get kind.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Of bored with that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I don't know, it's I don't know, I don't know
how to explain it. I just am not interested in
some random guy out there that I've never heard of,
leaning into the mic and doing NPR stuff, of something
that I'm either going to be outraged over.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
I would rather listen to an audiobook, to be honest
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Yeah, Yeah, I think maybe it's because I don't religiously
listen to any particular podcast except for Your Wrong with
Molly having Away and David Harsani every Wednesday, excellent podcast.
I can never get tired of that. But also I
do know that personally and how that helps, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I have listened to Molly and David a little bit,
and I did. The last time I really leaned into
was I was going to have David on the show,
and I was like, I'm going to need to know
what you've just talked about. But also more so because
again I'm obsessed with pattern psychology. I want to know
how you think about things so that I'm not awkward.
I tried interviewing Jeb Bush once and on a podcast

(01:14:05):
that no longer exists, for Chalkboard Review, and I didn't
know at all how he was going to be in
real life, like talking to him, and so he answers
to the call and he's in a tank top on
his balcony like next to the beach, and I'm like,
I didn't prepare for this. So I still do that occasionally.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah, yeah, my show is more broadcast oriented. I prefer
radio and TV more.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Yep, yep, yeah, I think I bounce around enough that
I don't ever feel too connected to anybody, or I don't.
I don't really know. Like I'll listen to one day,
I'll listen to Molly and David are like a different
political podcast. The next day, I'll listen to somebody that
I like agree with on some politics but not on
the rest because I really want to know how they're
framing an issue. The next day, I'm listening to a
true crime series, and then I'm listening to like Elisa

(01:14:49):
Schilders apologetics. You know, it's just like I bounce around
because I just like the diversity of like brain food,
but it's passive, you know, like I can be and
like passively like exercise.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
My brain shows that I listen to that are like
that are podcasts, And during the day, I have, you know,
eleven AM hits, and I listened to two or three
while I'm doing other stuff. And that's also probably the
biggest issue is that I have aggressive ADHD, which any
who do can tell because I have now moved my
glasses on and off my face, which of course, by
the way, has become a staple just as a friend

(01:15:22):
me taking my glasses off has become a staple of
things that people notice for the show. And so if
I'm ever really frustrated about something and I'm like sorring
and I take my glasses off, everyone in the chat
will start going glasses off as though, like I'm getting
really serious and I'm going to talk, you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Sorry, hilarious, Which that's a that's a great reminder, Tony.
If you didn't know that Tony was taking his glasses off,
that's just because you are only listening to the podcast
when you could be watching this on the Federalist, Rumble
or the Kylie Cast on YouTube. So if you're just
listening next time, definitely go check out the full video
version on Rumble or YouTube or.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
The Daily Signals YouTube because we're going to use that
collaborationy airing it to my So, I guess I'm here
explaining my audience.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
My audience is probably listening to this if they've.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Made it this far into listening to me ramble like
a goofy child.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, we've gone on a while, Sorry about that. I
told you an hour. Here we are on an hour
and fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Just still it doesn't I'm serious. My kids are asleep.
My wife just texted me a picture of them. They
look adorable, and my producer in studio producer is gone
doing something and so I mean, it's just a chill Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I've had like the longest week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Whatever you need, love it as you're thought, Okay, listen
to things because I enjoyed doing the thing. Yeah, since
becoming a national correspondent, hopping in front of media. Now
that I'm doing the that, I'm forced to listen to
the a segment of so many shows. I don't really
watch any TV shows.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Yeah, totally, so sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
I didn't mean to double dip and go forward.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
On that, but no, no, I love it and that's yeah,
that's so true. And I just have fun, like as
much as I do love podcasts and sometimes watching segments,
I've just found I'm like, Okay, if I'm going to
invest this much time in listening to things, I should
just listen to more books because then I could actually
get through more things. So I'm trying to focus some
of my podcast time into books because like I listened

(01:17:16):
to Mere Christianity and by C. S. Lewis, and I
did that in two chunks of a drive, like it's
a six hour book. I listened to everything on about
two time speed, and I got it done, you know,
like that it would have taken me a while to
actually sit down in multiple chunks to like pick that
up and read it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
You know, I'm gonna be really pretentious here. It's like
the music aspect of it that bothers me for listening
at things at two time speed, because the way the
audio works when it's compressed, it doesn't sound as though
you actually had benship here reading at this time speed
all right here back with brush calder.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
And like you don't actually get that out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
What you get instead is a really quick the audio
doesn't sound right, and to my brain it like freaks
it out as much as it did as you know,
when a song was played in the wrong key, and
that used to really really bother me. That that kind
of thing always prevents me from listening to things faster.
That's how my producer edits clips, by the way, and
edits the top news and ten that we do in

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the mornings. He'll sit there and if I'm in the
same room, it drives me nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
He's listening to me. Hey, that's a problem. I hate
listening to me. Number two, not you to me so fast? Yep,
it's so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Oh, I'm so glad I'm not the biggest blessing And
I can't wait until you eventually do have someone editing
your stuff. You will be a happier person because I'm
a perfectionist. When I used to record things myself, it
would take three times as long.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Oh myus, I'm sitting there going I didn't say that,
right back up. I didn't say that, right back up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Ugh, you really have to let go of so much
of it because it's such a time suck and it's
so bad for you. But yeah, I hate relistening to
myself anyway. Yeah, the listening to things fast doesn't bother me.
Maybe it's just because I've completely screwed up and rewired
my brain where that's how I listen to everything. So
that's probably also why I'm a bit of a fast
talker at times, because that's how it intakestf So then
I just also spit it out in that rapid fire,

(01:19:03):
not normal, not human way of talking.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
But someone actually made the Gilmore Girls comparison to my
show actually last night's episode, and I've and my wife
cackled like like the Wicked of the West cackled because
she knows how much I hate Gilmore Girls, which is
by the way, for having audit or having dialogue that
is so dense that people would watch the same episode

(01:19:25):
over again.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Gilmore Girl, fun fact, is the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Most t t vode sitcom in history. Really yeah, like people,
because people go back and watch it and get something
somebody else out of the dialogue because that's how packed
they made it. And my show apparently now I'm trying
to stuff so much into the hour that the broadcast
show is fit in that. First of all, it's now
stretching the bonus portion of the show, which used to

(01:19:49):
be five minutes and they called it bonus Tonus. Again,
you're one of the only people who knows kind of
that nickname's evolution. And then it's now that's now half
an hour or more because there's just so much and
I'm also compressing so much snarky banter and like the
receipts into one thing that they're Gilmore Girls in mes

(01:20:10):
that's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
So it's not hilarious, you that is hilarious. I am
not one of those girls who's obsessed with Gilmore Girls.
I've never been able to really get into it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
So that's garbage. Yeah, you're you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Okay, you brought up the music things being in the
wrong key before I wrap this up? Do you still
do theater and music? Those are two of the collegiate
activities We were involved in together a traveling choir, and
we were in a production of Sherlock Holmes together. Do
you still do either of those things in your free time?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Or so? Were you in the Christmas Carol with us
as well?

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
I was not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
I did much of a much ado about nothing after
you left.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
But oh no, by the way, I've thought about that
much ado about nothing is a wild play for a
Christian university to do, because the word nothing in Shakespeare's
time was an offhand like a A nothing was a
euphemism for like a sexual affair.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
So essentially much to do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
About nothing is a Shakespearean way to say a lot
of gossip about a like a an affair. Wild, incredible wild, Yeah, yeah, blow.
We broke a lot of rules, so just and that's
just a little tid, but no one was asking for
there you go. Anyway, to answer your question, I don't

(01:21:25):
really do a lot of acting.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
I got into voice acting more when I got out
of college. Because it was an easy way to make
a couple of bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
And that's still I've done some voiceovers for some people
on like show intros and things. I don't really do
as much actual voice acting anymore because I have enough
of it with this. I do a lot of impressions
on the show that some people think are very good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
They're like my my.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Buddy son, those out there talking about all of the
things that the building.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
That they like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
That one my trump is getting better. So that's how
that the theater kind of still comes in if at all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
And then on a different note, the music. So I
have done some church music still occasionally like sing a
special or play I have there's one episode of the
Tony Kinnetcast that was essentially a musical, So I have
a keyboard over off set that I've plugged in before
and just for a gimmick. And then I've occasionally duetted

(01:22:23):
a couple of people online, like friends of ours like
Michael Knowles did a ukulele video of wagon Wheel and
so I just pulled out the piano and then did
that and made it real.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
It got a lot of hits.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
I wish I did more. I don't know these days.
I just don't get too as much anymore. I miss it,
do you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
I wish I could do more theater, but I don't anymore.
And part of that is that I live in a
very blue area where theater is like about as well
as you can get, and so even doing like a
community theater thing, I just am not ready to dive
into that culture.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
I don't want people to know much about me, so
you know, I don't want to get into the local
theater scene. I would love to direct plays. I did
a bit of that in college, directing twelve Angry Men
and twelve Angry women or assistant directing was so fun
and I actually loved that side of it, and so
I would love to do that. You know, maybe once

(01:23:19):
I have kids and they're grown in plays, I'll be
able to do more directing. I think that's much more
where my skill. I shouldn't say where my skills and
interests lie because I love acting, But yeah, I haven't
done much of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
What No, I just I'm agreeing with you. I really
really do miss the acting side of things. It comes
through a lot in show design and writing and writing reels.
If I did some kind of some like sketches during
the twenty four campaign that were a lot of fun,
and once you get into it, you're like, ooh, that
was really really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
We'd actually joked.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
About introducing the show differently every night for like a
month where we mimicked and I mean like went all
out mimicking another major conservative or center like podcaster or
show host, and I mean like going all in, all
in and like exacerbating everything. And I think idea faded out.

(01:24:10):
I really, I don't know, I miss it. I think
I did write a play, okay, and then it promptly
started gathering.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Dust on the shelf as it does.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
So they are you said, directing, And that's what starts
my internal rabbit trail cyclic.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Yeah, music, I mean nothing really more than congregational music.
I don't I don't. I mean I sing in the shower,
I sing around my house. I don't do any organized
other music. Maybe in the future, but because I really
do love it. But yeah, just not a way that
I'm really using that right now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
I don't know if you remember this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
When I was in college, I made a mashup of
a couple of songs that I think I showed you
when you're like my seat partner on tour as a
mashup of Uptown Funk and Stevie Wonders. Very superstitious. I
had like I was doing like a lot of mash
up stuff mixing there on the tour bus.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
I've made a couple of those since.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Okay, while I was teaching, Like, I did get into
that for a little bit, And now that turns into
editing bumper tracks like the intro because RADI, you're supposed
to come in and announce the show and what station
it's on. That's like the guideline. Oh man, I actually
just realized I'm supposed to sing a special in church
tomorrow morning. I haven't been on the I have't been

(01:25:23):
on the schedule in months. This is how I'm reminded.
I need to figure out what I'm going to sing
and play.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Oh that's hilarious, hilarious. Yeah, I do have a mind
for the mixing. That's how my brain works. I'll often
be listening to a song with my husband or something,
and he laughs at me because I'll be like, oh,
this sounds exactly like the bassline and such and such,
and I'll just like start singing the other song while
the other song is playing, So I do a lot
of that in my mind, but no, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Actually like to work it outshing. Oh anyway, I do have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
A lot of mashups and remixes that I prefer one
that I love. Right now, there's the Will Smiths get
jiggy with its okay as the vocal stems. And then
the audio is this Italian disco song from like the eighties.
It's a fantastic oh cool, one of the tw Taylor
Swift songs and backstreets back all right, as the background

(01:26:11):
music track of it is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Apparently it's so good that Taylor Swift and A referenced it.
Really Yeah, yeah, I love mash ups and mixes. Yeah,
and no one asked, no one cares about. But it's here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
It's great. Okay, we've been talking so long that my
laptop is actually it's fading. The battery is fading, so
before we grab, it's fading fast. This is a real problem.
Let's see. Before I let you go, I want to
just ask you a couple of rapid fire questions are
quick answers. Okay, what is this is so broad? I

(01:26:45):
really should have narrowed it down. What is one thing
you can't live without a MacBook charger.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
That was no, no, no, no, yeah, that was mean.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
One thing that I can't live without I I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Oh, I have a gadget or something like mycro computer.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Over here that I have had since college that I
built in We called it Charles, and I have now
replaced every part of it four or five times. A
real ship of theseus kind of situation.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
I don't know if I could live without it because
all of the stuff that I edit with is part
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
I don't know. Maybe my piano. We got a baby
grand I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Oh awesome, love that I would love to do that. Well,
maybe the answer to this is nothing based on our conversation.
But what are you watching right now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Trying very We're having movie nights right now, and I'm
introducing my wife and my brother in law to my
favorite modern trilogy of things, which is The Ocean's eleven,
twelve and thirteen trilogy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Okay, so up tonight. Actually they watched.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Oceans eleven and liked it a lot more than when
my wife complained about it last time and wasn't watching it.
Probably fall asleep like you do when you watch things.
But Ocean's twelve is tonight, so that's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Okay, not that very fun. Yeah, those are good. I
like those. I also just watched them Impossibles for the
first time. And I also loved the Daniel Craig James Bonds.
My my husband has been like, watch those movies.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
I loved them. Pierce Brosnan is by far the best
Bond other than Connery.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Okay, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Ones are so good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Okay, I'll have to go back and watch the Pierce
Broson ones. I watched the Pierce Brosnan as Remington Steele
like that TV show, and enjoyed it. I mean it's
like an eighties is such.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
A phenomenal actor. Yeah, underrated, underrated, He's great.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
I'll have to go back and watch those James Bonds
because I'm not comparing Daniel Craig to a different James Bond.
I'm just saying I love those movies.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
And here's at take.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Ghost Protocol is the best mission impossible movie of the
of all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Okay, which one is that? Because I don't one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Where he's in Dubai and where they dress up as
the Russian general and like they have to do everything
on their own and get the nuclear codes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
I like that one. I thought that the effects peaked
in that one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I thoroughly enjoyed them all. I
just thought they were great. Okay, what are you reading
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
So I'm reading two things right now because of course,
so the first thing I'm reading in my little kindle
over there is also on my bookshelf, because of course
it is. I'm gonna slide over. It's the dust cover
for the book. Please don't ask why. It's Harry Turtle
Dove's The Grapple. So there's an alternate history series that

(01:29:20):
he wrote called the Southern Victory Series, in which if
Lee would not have lost this packet that contained all
of his plants, that's actually how he got stopped running
up into the North. Would it have been enough to
force France and England to force a settlement temporary like
just enough? And then there's like a bunch of other
stuff because of course the South actually wouldn't have won.

(01:29:42):
But that's what I'm reading right now because his historical
stuff is really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
I find that need as a novel.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
And then in the book side of things, I am
currently reading Blowback, which is a book diving into the
Oklahoma City bombing and some of the weird cover up,
because that should have been a very clear that in
the USS coal should have essentially prepared us for nine
to eleven, and Bill Clinton screwed the Pooch's administration. Bill

(01:30:12):
Clinton not bearing the responsibility for nine to eleven will
not fascinate, will never not fascinate me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Wow, Okay, cool, Okay, this is an either or question.
Guilty pleasure something you watch or food.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Oh oh, my guilty pleasure for food when it's not
steak and having a local farm sponsor our show is
one of the best things ever. Exchanging ad time for
a freezer full of meat has changed my life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
I understand corruption and bribery now, I get it. I do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
I'm mostly joking no on the guilty pleasure thing. Every
once in a while, I get a guilty pleasure to
either eat biscuits and gravy with bacon and a doctor pepper,
as I did in college, which was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
A thing back when we had bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
And then I like reading occasionally the teenage Apocalypse novels. Okay,
like the Hunger Games Divergence series that I haven't really
indulged in this one for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
You know that that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Uh, there's an older series that's now a movie called
by Scott Westerfield called The Uglies.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Okay, oh yeah, I've heard of it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Yeah yeah, that's like a guilty pleasure from way way back.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
But I haven't indulged in that one a while. That
used to be my answer to that question.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Okay, last question. One thing you wish people knew about Indiana.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Let's see one. Normally, what I would say is that
it's the most underrated state in the Union. When I
when you start a radio show.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
You're supposed to spend the first episode talking about why
you were doing this. Maybe you did that the first
time you launched this this this show.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
I I went on about how Indiana is underrated for
a number of reasons. I will choose one of those
for you. That's just nerdy. Indiana limestone that comes from
the southern part of the state is in more US
government buildings than any other kind of material as like
a base building, like so like not metal and nails.
But I mean we're talking about brick. If we're talking

(01:32:19):
like a certain kind of brick or a certain kind
of stonework, Indiana limestone is in everything in DC, all
kinds of places, and I think that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
It's fascinated.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
It's like it's in the Wisconsin capital for instance.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Yeah cool, which we have a beautiful capital here. It's gorgeous. Yeah,
we love it. Awesome, Tony. It has been truly a
pleasure to reconnect with you and to have you on
the Kylie Cast. What a fun time. Thanks so much
for coming on today.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
And we'll have you on the Tony Kinnett Cast so
we'll get everyone confused in the acronyms.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
That would be so fun. I didn't realize until after
I named my show that your show is basically named
the same thing with your name. So we'll just keep
going back and forth on each other's shows. That sounds great.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
I work for the Daily Signal and there's like thirty dailies.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
So yeah, all right, Tony, great to see you. Thanks again.
I hope you have you back again very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Take care.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode
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