A Swing And A Miss

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
what happens. This episode is brought to you once again
by Decanted Jugwine and my return to the mic after

(00:39):
a three month hiatus. Oh my goodness, and four months
without a cigarette. I have missed being here. I am
your host Charles Tyson Junior, and I'm your host Martha Madrigal.
Welcome to the Full Circle Table. I should say welcome
back to the Full Circle Table.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
At least for me, I was gonna say, I've been here.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You've been holding it down. Yeah, there's no question you
have been holding things. So much has happened. We last
recorded right at the end of August. About two weeks later,
I left my job. Yeah, I was invited to leave
my job, which is a whole story. Don't work for

(01:23):
CIS people. If you happen to be trans it doesn't
often does not end well, especially when they're trumpers. That part, yeah,
so tried to have that not get in the way,
and yet you know it always does. Yeah, but I've
been nesting.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
You've been nesting hard.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah. I did quit smoking on July twenty fifth, and
I have not had a cigarette since then.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I have had my little vape now and again, but
that's okay. I don't inhale, so maybe I mean, I'm
breathing much better. I'm not coughing, I'm not hacking. I'm
not you know. So you know I love that. I'm
going to say it's better. It is better. Yeah, And
it doesn't stink up the house.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And your energy level has improved.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh god, you well, not working helps too. Well, there's
that I've been baking. You've been baking in like a
lot of bread, painting and painting and well every project
that I mean, the story of us moving into this
house was interesting. And you know, we had we got

(02:34):
our hardwood floors refinished and thank god, before we moved
anything in, and then we were trying to paint everything.
And when I called a moving company, they had had
a cancelation. And I want to say I called in
December and it was like January twenty first or June right,

(02:58):
And I was like, oh, well, June right. So we
scurried to get ready and to finish packing and to
get you know, and to do all that, and we
had to pivot and we did not get to finish painting.
And we had rooms in various stages of finished. Truth.

(03:20):
Some of them I've slowly gotten done. Some of them
haven't been touched. So I'm touching them.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yes you are.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I am good touch. I'm finishing. I started in the
laundry room because that's right there at the back door.
Then I'm working my way through. The kitchen is looking good.
The kitchen, I've been cleaning in the basement to kind
of get things organized so I know where stuff is.
So yeah, I'm nesting. I've had a couple of people,

(03:50):
you know, kind of contacted me about working and I'm like, cold,
we tuk in January, maybe right February. But it's been good.
And it's been and if one more person says you
look so arrested, I'm like, how stressed did I look?
Because I didn't realize I was. I mean, I actually
loved my job.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well you did, and you took it very seriously and
you were do it hard at it.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah I did. I really did. Have you know, a
run in with one person and you know, I pushed
my luck there for almost three years. Just get I
don't keep my mouth shut and I don't compromise, and
it was a very challenging environment where it was impossible
to do the job exactly correctly. And you cannot cut

(04:37):
a corner and betrayance. So I will say that that's
a shirt.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Oh yeah, you cannot cut a corner and betran We.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
There are different rules, I promise you. So it is
what it is, right, and so much has been happening,
but that was part of it. Part of it was
losing the job and just kind of figuring all that
out and getting my feet back under me a little bit.
I wasn't devastating. I kind of was like, well, what's next, right,

(05:08):
I mean, okay. The hard part and the ego stroking
part has been the clients that I miss so much.
And pretty much every one of them has reached out
to me in one way or another, and they come
to our monthly dinners or they join us on our
Thursday evening calls, and so I am still in touch

(05:32):
with them. It's just, you know, we were doing really
good work together and that hurts. Yeah, that hurts, Yeah,
because it's not going that way now.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
But the way the universe worked, like right as you
were leaving your job, you received not one, but two awards.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh that's right, that happened in rapid succession. Yeah. So
on October Thursday, Joey Pirella and I were honored Friend
of the Pod by Garden State Equality. Joey and I
do the monthly spaghetti dinners together, and Garden State Equality
gave us a Inequality and Motion Award, as I guess,

(06:17):
community Partners, activists whatever, specifically for the dinners. And then
a week later, so October tenth, I believe, Yeah, Philadelphia
Gay News named Elizabeth and I as two of the
forty nine most influential leaders in the LGBT community.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I believe they referred to as a trans rites warrior.
That is, yes, that's what the plaque says. I got
two plaques in October.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah. The timing was interesting because I knew about the
PGN one and then I got the text about the
Garden State Equality one, and I was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
My favorite moment was when I was getting ready and
I was like, now, wait, which award is.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
This that you're getting today? You know?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
It was? It was fun. It was good. It was
I mean, it's humbling and gratifying and it was lovely,
really truly. There were you know, two ceremonies and they
were both really nice and I'm very grateful. Yeah and yeah,
And it's the juxtaposition of those things happening pretty much
at the same time, within a couple of weeks of

(07:27):
each other.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And I think that's what's helped you. It's you never
had to have that moment where you didn't know who
you were.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
No, no, I don't forget that anymore.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, that's good.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
And you know, the award from PGN was really, I
believe centered around we. You know, we picked up the
support group that Elizabeth and I facilitate and moved it basically,
you know, we started our own situation and you know,
our active membership moved right along with us. So that

(08:01):
was important and that work continues. And then the dinner,
which I was allowed, you know, was under the auspices
of my employer because they provided the space. I said,
that's mine. And what did I have ten days if
that to find a new location let people know, and

(08:23):
we did. We did not skip a month if I
had to cook spaghetti here and have everyone here at
the house. I would have just to not have a gap.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I have no idea how the hell that would have worked.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
It would have been tight. But you know, we found
a new location right in Collins. Would it's even more
convenient than anything else we've ever had because it's you know,
the train is right there, so it's accessible to a
lot more people. We've had record crowds. We had fifty
five people show up for the dinner again with a

(09:00):
week's notice or whatever.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well, the humorous part for me was when your your
job was like, but what are we going to do
about the dinner? And you like, who we?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Who is this we? There is no we anymore. You
just took my bad work. Yeah, and and that's that's
just that. There's so much more I could say, but
I won't. You know, it's been it's been interesting. Uh,
it's been enough has gotten back to me that you know, Uh,

(09:32):
they're scrambling a lot and good.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, when it takes eight people to do the job
of one person and they only.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Have two, it's it's beyond that. I mean, my colleagues,
I've heard from all of the colleagues that I worked
closely with with a lot of support, and that's also
been amazing. So I again, it's it's really a situation
of something more and different is happening and com and

(10:00):
it's what's next, indeed, And so the next logical thing
was let's make room for that, because you know, it's
it's weighed heavily on me that this house is still
not organized the way I need it to be organized.
Like we're still not there, right and well, the contents
of my office are still sitting in a pile in
the living room, and I don't I need to know

(10:23):
where my stuff is and I need to put away.
And so we're getting there and put what you want
room by room and making lots of donations in the
process and having some pretty big bulk trash day. Yeah.
I installed a toilet upstairs. I haven't just been you know.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
You've been leaning into the Martha of it all.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh my god, yeah right, the butcher Martha of it all.
I know, Martha. Yeah yeah, Well because the toilet started
leaking upstairs and that's not good. Yeah, so we stopped
and did that.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
But you also made it. And this is the part
I love you. You rolled up your sleeves and put
on your your your butcher girl draws and and and
went to fix the toilet, but you made sure that
the new toilet was cute.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
It is cute.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
The dichotomy is the important thing.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I love that they make things now that they just
didn't used to make, right. And one of them is
this toilet that I bought because the upstairs bathroom is
shall we say, compact, and.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Especially if you're tall.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
If you are tall, you were somewhat inclined to sit
side saddle because your knees hit the wall in front
of you.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
A picture of you're sitting there with your legs crossed
and an umbrella.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I used to wonder, like how do you fix that?
You know, like do you have to move the whole
arrangement in the floor and get a corner toilet? Like
how do you fix that? And now they make these
smaller compact toilets that are only like twenty four inches
from the wall, and it solved the problem, yep. And yeah,
it was a little bit more money, but not hideously so.

(12:19):
I mean, like I think it was two hundred instead
of one hundred for the really cheap one, but.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
A fun size toilet, it's yeah, but it does the job.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Completely and it has the little you know, dual flush
and it's a water savor and all that, and it's cute.
It is cute. It matches the cute little sink that
I put up there last year. Now I'm loving it.
That was a fun day too because I had Tory
over here, a trans lesbian with a tool belt, and yeah,

(12:50):
we did that together, the sink, and we did the
dishwasher together too, installed the new just new, the new
to us dishwasher.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Right. Well, that's the thing. It's like, if you have
trans girls working for you, you're going to end up on top.
If you have lesbians working for you, you're going to end.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Up on top, and trans beions forget.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
If you have trans lesbians chaw you could change the world.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
It's true what we are exactly we are. We I'm
trying to think. Last week was Trans Day of Remembrance,
which is November twentieth, and my dear darling, Elizabeth and
I had a conversation at the Unitarian Church not far

(13:40):
from us and for their vigil and service, and we
recorded it so maybe we'll maybe that'll get released, oh
shared when we can. Beds. I think it's about fifty
minutes long. But it was really just a conversation between
two old trans worlds basically and good from what I hear,

(14:02):
I was kind of in the moment. Yeah, I have
to listen to it. That happened, So I'm still out there.
We just had our third spaghetti dinner in our new
spot this past Sunday. It was successful. Yeah, I mean
we have not had fewer than what forty five since
we changed locations, so actually we're seeing more people than ever,

(14:25):
and it's been new faces every time, and we're always
seeing new faces and it's just an important thing. And
then you know P Flag last night again a couple
of new faces and those things. All of it kind
of intertwines.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I have many of the same people that come to
P Flag that also come to the dinner. Several of
them are part of Transformation Collective, which is our group,
and that is also now the umbrella for the dinners,
and we have a five O one say three sponsor
and we're doing all those things, doing the they doing
this things. Yeah, so we kept it going and it

(15:03):
has continued to grow and it's really important. Community building
could not be more important than it is right now. Agreed, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
And then in terms of the show, like, since you've
been on your unofficial.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Hiatus, we do want to record. Now I'm scripting Paint.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
We've had a couple of really cool interviews. We spoke
to doctor Alfred L. Martin, good friend of the pod
and friend in real life, and we talked about his
book about black fandoms, a book that I was in
ye or that I am in.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, you still are, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Because there's a section about black fandom among the Golden Girls.
Lord knows that's me. And then I spoke to Olivi
Blake about her book Girl Dinner the Cannibal Sorority.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, fun, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And then you know, I've been just to keep our
audience engaged, our new listeners and our returning listeners, just
to let y'all know we're still there for you. I've
been re broadcasting some past interviews from notable figures.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yes, and I love that. It's kind of like the
greatest hits. We've been playing those and now we actually
have an audience to hear them, so.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Exactly like you know the fact you just came along.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You may not have gone back that far in the archives.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Right, We've got one hundred and fifty plus episodes for
you to check out. And you know, the catalog is formidable.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
And you know, things have been happening so rapid fire,
and it's all so bizarre and so insane that discussing
it even was for my own mental health and well
being just something I needed to kind of not do
for a bit. And I get that. Yeah, I just
just not think about it, not talk about it, not

(17:14):
you know, comb through it and decided like, hey, what
did we talk about this week? I needed that break.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right, and we can ease our way into it with
this episode.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
We are, Yeah, yeah, we are because we have a
lot to cover.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, this list is long. I've been going through it
and be like, well, that ain't even news no more.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Neither is that.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right? Some of the trash took itself out, you know,
like things do resolve and there's some great good news
that is happening, you know, So again, don't just read
the headlines. You got to get past that. You got
to you got to read, you know, you got to
keep reading and find out what the follow up is.
And you know I just read just we were, you know,

(17:56):
getting ready to record that, uh, Trump is expect extending
the whole thing we had to shut down over, which
was that, you know, renewing the I guess subsidies, extra
subsidies for Obamacare. Guess what he just did. He's doing
He's renewing them for two years. They have no plan, right,
They never had a plan. They never had a health

(18:18):
care plan. They never planned to have a healthcare plan.
And frankly, Obamacare is their plan because he stole from
the Heritage Foundation. So boo. But yeah, so now we're
after all of that who struck what, you know, the elections,
Even even that adult brain seems to be aware of
waning popularity, right because damn, damn numbers are in the

(18:45):
toilet for that man.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
And those is officially done.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I know. And you know what, I hope that gets
sorted out and we take those people to task because
we still don't really realize the full impact of what
they did. Because I will tell you this, Doge. I
blame Doge for the fact that I don't work at
my job anymore because we were under a grant that

(19:14):
we and you know, we hit every measure of the grant,
but Doge took away a whole bunch of money from
the division you know demas the Division of Mental Health
and Human and Addiction Services, yep, just took it. Yeah,
because it was initially COVID money. Well, they were using
that COVID money in very constructive and creative and important
ways and serving communities like this one that had never

(19:37):
been served, especially in addiction treatment. And you know, we
were having groundbreaking results. But it all basically has gone
away now because why because the grant went away? Because
why because doge right? Yeah, there was no government efficiency
and a lot of mental health programming and a lot
of addiction treatment programming has been cut and reorganized and

(20:02):
some entire organizations gone away, and we're gonna be feeling this.
Oh yeah, we're gonna notice this as time goes by,
the destruction that they wrought. And I do I hope
they all wind up on charge charges. I hope they
all wind up in jail for what they've done. Right,
And they only did it so billionaires could strip us

(20:22):
of more.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Money, right, because it's not like, you know, uh, that
organization was spending the COVID money on frivolous things like oh,
I don't know, a fucking ballroom.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
No, yeah, like that like that. There's your tax dollars
at work, but you know.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
And then again not even that because no one got paid.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well shocker, here's the thing. Uh, But I digress. Yeah,
we'll get there. The Republicans had their ass handed to
them earlier this month, and they should and I hope
it keeps happening, you know. And that's not to say
we don't you know, we've got to roll our sleeves
up as a nation. I literally just did, and you did.

(21:03):
No one said the patriarchy was going to die quietly,
no one. You know, we've talked about the last gasps
of it might look like it looks like this, and
it you know, it's up to all of us collectively
to make sure they are the last gaps. And you know,
sure and a more compassionate era.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, how many times have I said, you want to
start a war? Tell a white man? No.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I talked at p Flag last night about you know,
And it's kind of like, bear with me with the logic.
But in a way, all the Michigoths that the Republicans
have stirred up in tormenting the fuck out of trans
people has also meant more people than ever have a

(21:53):
much better understanding of us you know, have been now
know a whole lot of facts information about us that
they never would have bothered to know otherwise. So in
some ways they've really done a lot of educating. Not
on purpose, god knows, because they've been doing nothing but
lying about us, but people of goodwill who have gone

(22:16):
and educated themselves and you know, figured out what the
truth actually is, probably wouldn't have done that without them. Right,
unintended consequences, right can be positive, It's true. Yeah, silver linings,
silver linings. So we have a long list of folks

(22:37):
we lost.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And we can't even go into depth. I didn't want
to take anyone off because everyone deserves to be recognized.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Okay, well we're going to bang through it. Giorgio Armani,
ninety one years old.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, that was back in early September.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Polly Holiday, Polly Holiday from Alice. Yeah, most famously as
known as Flow from Alice. But I also think of
her on her stint on the Golden Girls, when she
was Rose's friend sister cousin. Okay, that relationship was never
really clear, but she was blind and she was trying

(23:18):
to depend on Rose for everything, and they had to
teach her how to Finn for herself.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Polly Holiday, Rest in peace. Robert Redford, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Robert Redford passed away, Hollywood Royalty.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Absolutely absolutely, but you know, a long life that we
celebrate because he was what eighty nine, eighty nine years
old and we should all get eighty nine years Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Still back in September, Charlie Kirk is dead, uh huh.
And then asa Asada Chaqueur passed away. She was a
formidable activist, revolutionaire, Tupac's godmom. That whole like running thing

(24:06):
about you know, disappearing to Cuba. She started with her.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
She died in Cuba. Yeah, as seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, because she did. She was about it, about it.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yes, she was Jane Goodall, Jane Goodall passed away, who
was ninety one.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, the foremost authority on Primates, and she actually had
a little resurgence in pop culture recently, like in the
past couple of years because on Get Rid of to
Roll Your Eyes on season sixteen, I believe of drag Race,

(24:46):
Nimphia Wind impersonated her, not very successfully on Snatch Game,
but you know in the finale, the top three, like
whoever they impersonated, if they're still around, they do a
video message congratulating them and making it to the finale.
So Jane Goodall did a message, so you know, she
got to have a moment in the zeitgeist again, which was.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Awesome, Major Griffin Gracie. Yeah, just before her seventy ninth birthday,
so you know, and that's the part again, trans women
should all get seventy nine years, We should get ninety years,
you know, and so we celebrate a life lived in service.
You know, there was We're not exactly shore Hold she was,

(25:29):
but her driver's license did say she was born October
twenty fifth, nineteen forty six. So she died about a
week or two before she turned seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
And that's the transagenda, to die of old age exactly, exactly,
for Fox's sake.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
She was a pioneer. She was one of the folks
from Stonewall. She was there and a life of service
to the community, particulately for trans women of color, incarcerated women,
incarcerated trans women. She fought long and hard.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
True.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, so rest in power, indeed, manager Mama, from what
I to a lot of folks. Yeah, D'Angelo, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
We lost DeAngelo. He was fifty one. He passed away
in the middle of October. He lost his battle with cancer.
D'Angelo was one of our contemporary musical geniuses, one of
the founders of the neo soul movement. He wouldn't have

(26:45):
said that, but it has. He has been attributed with
that moniker. His first two albums are considered to be
two of the best R and B albums ever to
grace the planet.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah Said fifty one, Yeah Too Young Actually Hurt Me?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
And Questlove has recently confirmed that there's going to be
a posthumous album coming up. He and Dangelo worked together
very closely in the past, especially for his iconic Voodoo album,
So I'm interested in seeing that when it comes out.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Diane Keaton, Diane Keaton, this one made me so sad.
Seventy nine, which I'm sorry, but y'all, seventy nine is
yea iconic, iconic Yeah, for decades, I've just I've loved
her work. Same Annie Hall and The Godfather And.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, you may not made me, but you you got
me to watch any Hall a few weeks ago, just
because you were thinking about her and I hadn't seen
it yet, so and you know, I, despite my other feelings,
all the rest of my feelings about what he allen.
I do appreciate him as a filmmaker for the most part,

(28:05):
especially his earlier work, And I had not seen any
Hall and I understand.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
How, okay she wanted an Oscar.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I understand how Diane Keaton's performance in that film
launched her like I get it. I totally get it.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
And The Family Stone, which I adore, and we're going
to talk about yes, speaking of Alfred.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yes, yeah, so The Family Stone is one of your
favorite Christmas movies. It has since become one of my
favorite Christmas movies. Bought a problematic white family and they're
problematic white house guests.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
And we've watched this Christmas every year as well to
balance it out do.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
We do usually back to back there, But coming soon,
stay tuned, We're going to be having a special episode Martha,
myself and friends of the Pod. Doctor Alfred Martin will
be returning and Kathy O'Connell will be returning to discuss

(29:14):
this film because it holds a special place in all
of our hearts for varying.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Reasons, for varying reasons, and we have bearing opinions we
did about the movie, so it's gonna be a really
interesting conversation. Yes, lawd, I did watch it the night
that I heard that Diane Keaton had passed.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I do.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I love that movie and I'm gonna watch it again
before we sit down and talk about it. Well, yeah,
because I feel like I'm gonna have to defend it.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
And I'm interested in seeing how this goes because there's
i mean, much like everything, there's black people that love
that movie, like myself, and there's black people that hate
that move for the same fucking reason. It's going to

(30:05):
be a fun conversation and nobody's wrong now.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
But you know what a good what a great Christmas
time discussion. So hey, watch The Family Stone.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
It'll be up before Christmas.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, and then and then listen to us talk about
The Family Stone. June Lockhart Lassie lost in space. She
died at one hundred, right, I mean, hey, hey, exactly,
Dick Cheney's dead, uh huh. And Jelly Johnson, jelly Bean.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Johnson, who was the one and only drummer.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Of the time of the time. He was sixty nine.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
And you know, I always hear either Prince or Morris
Day in the back of my head on Jellybean.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
You've added two other names before we get to the name.
I want to talk so Udo who is that?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh Udo Kir passed away. He was eighty one. He
passed away just a couple of days ago. He was
a prolific German actor who's been in so many things
in both American pop culture and world pop culture. He
always plays an eccentric, villainous type.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
That's what it says. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Openly gay, which made some of his badassory even cooler. Like,
the main thing I think of him was as the uh,
the head of the vampire Council Dragonetti in Blade.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
He was.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
He was a cool dude, Udokir, and he.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Had a cool name. I just realized her. Viola Fletcher is.
Viola Fletcher was the oldest survivor of the Tulsa Race massacre.
She died at one hundred eleven yep.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
And the part of that that hurts me, I'm glad
she she made it to one hundred and eleven, but
she was one hundred and six when the trial came
up regarding reparations for the survivors and families of.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
The Green neighborhood of Tulsa, right of black Wall Street
and the Tulsa massacre.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And it felt like she was holding on to see justice.
It does, and there was none because you know, they
did what we knew they were going to do.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
There's that. But yeah, she she was she witnessed seven. Yeah,
she was seven. So she lived to be one hundred
and eleven. How about that?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Talk about iconic. She saw everything, She saw everything twice right,
thank you seriously.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
And the Philadelphia region lost arguably an icon yes, a
month at the end of October. Yeah, here a bear. Yeah,
gj on Wmoir since nineteen eightys on eighty four eighty one,
I think early eighties, early eighties, you know, I am

(33:18):
heartened to see. He was on the air for forty
four years, so eight nineteen eighty one. They list his
age of seventy depending on who you talked to, and
that might have shaved a few years off of his age.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
But whatever a lady never tells, right it is.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
It has fascinated me to just watch the region poor love.
You know, when they did sort of an I guess
an ad hoc you know memorial in Rittenhouse Square, you know,
hundreds of people showed up. He was beloved. Yeah, he

(33:57):
was a good citizen. He was. He had an encyclopedic
knowledge of rock and roll. Everyone who knew Pierre or
met Pierre loved Pierre. We got to work with him
at the Aids Walk each year, which he m seed
and we stage managed. So you know, our paths have

(34:18):
crossed professionally, and they've also crossed many times in the
gaghborhood because the man was gay as Christmas and we're
not talking about that, and I I'm I'm I'm really

(34:39):
only of one mind, you know, in the way that
we say if you like that computer, thank Alan touring, right,
you know, who was a gay man, and we point
that out right because we have as queer people made
such enormous contributions to the world, and we leave that

(35:00):
heart out. And he did not, you know, talk about
his his sexuality on air. It wasn't your Maane for
one thing. But he was out. I mean, he was
out and about. He wasn't hiding, nope. And you know,

(35:20):
I had this conversation with one of our friends at
Knock recently and I said, I'm just not hearing anyone
mention it. I mean other than friends who knew him
and you know, probably hooked up with him. And are
you know, and and others who have hooked up with him.
But it's just been interesting to me that we are

(35:41):
not talking about that part of his life and he was.
And the more I see them just pouring out like
they knew him, like he was their best friend. Okay,
that's awesome, and you loved a gay man. I hope
that doesn't change how you feel about him, right, because

(36:04):
you know, reading some of what I've read, it's clear
to me that everyone does not know that, right obviously, Right.
There was even one article that speculated a wife. I'm like,
what not that I know of, But I mean if
there was one in the bass, and I've been around
a long time, right, I've never heard that, m But yeah,

(36:28):
And the only reason I mentioned in the age thing
was because I remember Gosha telling me they were the
same age, and Gsha would be seventy four or so
how she lived, So that's what I meant, right, But
you know, the records say he was born in nineteen
fifty five and he was seventy and that that may
well be. That's not really my point. My point is

(36:49):
I hope that we can celebrate the fullness of the man, right.
I really do. It's just that it's been sitting on
my spirit that you know, even gay DJs are not
talking about the fact that it's not about I mean privacy,
and as far as I know, right, you know, his

(37:11):
family may not want that just who knows. They're not
releasing his cause of death, which being in privacy, who cares?
You know, I couldn't be less interested in that he
died of natural causes in his sleep, right, good, right, exactly.
But you know that was the fullness of the dude,
and everyone in this region. I don't think there's anyone

(37:34):
who doesn't know that that Pierre Robert played Alice's restaurant
every Thanksgiving, every Thanksgiving, you know, the long, the nineteen
minute version, right every Thanksgiving. And they also played at
one a memoir like Noon, which sometimes I caught that
one because I But anyway, he was iconic, it was beloved.

(37:58):
He was, you know, a really sweet, thoughtful human.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I knew who Pierre Robert was pretty much my entire life, sure,
because my sister was an MMR fan. So it's just
a name that you heard.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, I mean, I've seen so much written about him
and about his career, but just nobody's mentioning. Has it
not bothered you?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I mean actively bothered me? No, but I did notice it,
well noticed I.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
At this point in history, with so much vitriol in
the air, people are coming together left, right and sideways
over someone that was beloved to all. And by the way,
he was queer. Right, I'm sorry, but by the way,
you know, because and I think part of it is
just that that, you know, the Maga cult has brainwashed

(38:55):
so many people that I used to care about, who
don't talk to me anymore because at least some of
them are pouring their hearts out about Pierre Robert. Right, Yeah,
I think it's important to note that, Yeah, a gay
man was beloved to you, so why don't you knock
off your ship? Taking nothing away from him at all.

(39:17):
Colder actually thought he was wonderful. I really did still
love running into him. He used a chat all the time. However,
the twins loved him too. He loved them. He could
fill a table with them at the Midtown three at
three am because we'd be in the next booth with Ghosh.

(39:38):
He would hang over the booth and chat. Yeah, you
know he was. He was out and around.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Well, that was the theory very frequently in the game, right,
That was the theory is to why there were so
many different ages floating around.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Because the twins ages stayed the same.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
They pretty much did. Yeah, legal but you know young,
but yeah, I I he was an icon. He was
truly beloved and lovely and you know, chill, and yes,
he was very much a hippie. You really did come
here in a ww bus and gay and gay. So

(40:25):
we'll see how that comes about. But that's been it's
just been on my spirit that you know, these are
the kinds of things that should unite us. We all
lost someone who was amazing and full of life and
you know, brought us music, right, and that is so important.

(40:45):
We all did, and it's a place where we could
be coming together. But I kind of want us to
tell the truth of that. You know, if you're going
to keep me backed up against a motherfucking wall because
I'm a trans woman, you're worshiping a gay man, just
know it, fucker, just know it of us? Are none

(41:09):
of us? That's all? Yeah, kind of kind of and
the man was very sweet to me. Yes, always same,
Let's take a break, Yes, and I will get off that,
so bunks get rest in power and peace. Pierre, we

(41:29):
loved you, you were amazing. Thank you for the smiles
and all you brought to this region and all of
you is missed. Yes, we'll be right back, and we're back.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I've missed that. Hey. So election night, yeah, actually approved
many things, including the fact that Democrats don't need to
abandon trans people to win. Right, quite the opposite, Actually
quite the opposite. ZOEA and Mom. Donnie won by a

(42:26):
lot in New York City and he is he will
be the next mayor of New York City, and there
was a full throated support of this community and our
rich history in the city of New York. He included
Sylvia Rivera in his u one of his campaign videos
campaign video, and he did so many cool campaign videos

(42:50):
around the city talking about and to and with so
many different kinds of people, and he won. The one
that really stuck out to me was he like set
up his desk right at the Chelsea Piers and talked

(43:10):
about the trans community and Sylvia Rivera and her support,
her active support of her community, and how the community
did not support her back exactly exactly that's that woman's truth.
Marcia too, but Sylvia really took it on the gin right,
and he's talking about it. Yeah, he's young and smart

(43:35):
and unafraid. And you know, the most mind boggling thing
we saw after all Trump's garbage is now he's dressing
like him to say that they met once and Trump's
in love with him and he didn't cave on anything,
but he's you know, it's the game that narcissists play,

(43:55):
you know, But well, he.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Figures if he doesn't, he might never feel how bad
in New York again?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Perhaps I'm hoping, you know, Gavin Newsom is paying attention
because for all his little exploits with you know, Trump,
he's also thrown us under the bus a bit, going
on right wing podcasts and you know, doing the whole
whataboutism thing with trans people and I'm not cool, Gavin,
And you don't need to do that to win. No,

(44:21):
you don't need that flex and it's not the flex
you think it is, but it does tell me you're
out of touch. I love, and we're seeing people like
AOC and Bernie Beloved and mom, Donny, what did he have?
One percent? At one point? Right, and went on to
win by a serious margin.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I knew he was going from the moment I clocked
what he was about. I was like, he's going to win.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, you showed me one video and I said, I
want to vote for him. I want to vote for
him for New Jersey governor. Right, nothing against Mikey. I
mean congratulations to Mikey. Cheryl who did not come on
the podcast whatever shade, Yeah, well offered the opportunity. But anyway,

(45:13):
you know, she ran a more cautious campaign. Let's just
say that certainly has been seen in rainbow shirts and
knows the folks at Garden State Equality and all of
that could have said and done more Interestingly, there is
a day of lobbying and it happens to be December eighth,

(45:36):
my birthday in Trenton for the lame duck session and
passing of the transgender but essentially the healthcare Bill of Rights.
So all of the things that we had via executive
order from Phil Rthy. We know that they have the votes,
we know that it's possible. We want to see it
get done because it was kind of a promise, yeah,

(45:58):
and we want to see that promise for filled before January.
We want those things codified into law, that New Jersey
is a safe place for trans people and those who
provide our healthcare, and that they will not be penalized
for providing health care. Damn it, and Mike, you won

(46:20):
by a landslide. That's a landslide. What was it? Thirteen points,
I believe, and that's a mandate. That's an actual mandate.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, her and mom Donnie both what they have in
common is they had so many votes that it was
called in their favor, like immediately, not even a full
hour after Pope Poles post closed at.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Eight, and I knew at eight twenty, right, I was
getting texts at eight toes, so not even a half hour,
not even a half hour that you know, they knew
there was no possible path for Jack Chitdarelli or whatever
his name is, to win. And he was a Maga extremist.
You know, when New Jersey has voted for a Republican governor,

(47:05):
it's usually because they're pissed off. And it's never been
a Maga kind of person. No, never. I mean, Chris
Christy was bad enough for everyone, but it's never been
that right, and Jack keeps trying, But I would say
Mikey has a mandate, and you know, we certainly know

(47:26):
many folks who are gonna remind her that we helped
get her there. That are, and I have heard wonderful
things about her. I truly I have friends who know
her better. Maybe not the world's best campaigner, but a
serious person who you know, seriously engages policy, smart as

(47:47):
a whip, and will govern well. Right, So yay, yay
for us, Yeay for Virginia. You know, so many Democrats
won and Moms for Liberty slated. I don't know how
many candidates. I believe none one.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I was gonna say, it doesn't even matter because not
near nd one of them.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, last time was paying attention, it was none. Now
Diane said last night maybe it was one or two,
but I maybe, but it wasn't many.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I heard none.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I heard none as well, but that was early, so
I don't know if a couple squeaked in, but I
heard none. And it's either none or close to none.
And good, right, good, because people are waking up to
where that goes, right where y'all are taking us what this?
You know, people are getting the full picture of this

(48:40):
mess that many of y'all got us into well, and
they don't like it. I wanted brown people to suffer,
not me.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Not me. Fascism look cooler in the brochure.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
It looks so good when you were punishing the people
I don't like. Uh, the ones I find.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Dicky, But it does it feel good?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
No, But you know my farm is bankrupt and I'm bankrupt.
We have no healthcare and that's not what he promised.
He's got a ballroom now people are seeing it.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Myself hating brown husband got deported.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah yeah, and he's building a fucking ballroom, desecrating the
White House and building ballroom while people are suffering. And
like I said, don't make no mistake. The Doge shit
affected a lot of people, a lot of humans, a
lot of services that were critical. And you will see,

(49:43):
you will see the effects of that absence as time
goes on, because you can't, not exactly, you can't. And again,
when we lost our grant, we lost any power we
had to insist on fairness where we were concerned. So thanks Doge.

(50:04):
What else? Nancy Pelosi has announced that she will not
seek reelection and she is retiring. Correct, yeah, you speak
her Emeritis has been in public service for six decades.
This month she did announce her retirement.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
And the thing that pissed me off about that is
all these people, like the agism just jumps up like, finally,
get all these old people out. We need you all
forgetting that these people have been fighting for your ungrateful
ass for decades.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yes, and there is a point at which no, I
get it, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, I'm just saying like that shouldn't be the first
thing out your mouth.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
It shouldn't. And we don't hear it as full throatedly
towards the old men as we do older women. So
except for Biden, well we did, yeah, and we got
something much less healthy and much worse. But okay, and
you know, I'm gonna still say Kama didn't have a

(51:20):
shot to really launch a campaign. America is still racist
and misogynistic to the point where I don't know that
she could have won. I'm not sure, but I do
think Biden would have beat him anyway. Well, I think
I think it was you know that, I know he
promised one term. He did right, and so it would

(51:40):
have been great if she had more time. But all
that said, you know, I don't know that switching horses
midstream was smart, certainly not look around, and I'm a devastation.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I'm not even sure it's fair to say Kamala wouldn't
won because of the elon of it, all right, which
we don't know, I mean even well he basically all
but said, well, well they did, and all but said, well,
and we should be investigating that. We should be investigating that.
You know, there's a there's a democratic governor in Pennsylvania

(52:18):
because they I believe the statement was made about Pennsylvania.
So yeah, like, investigate that ship then, right, make sure
it can't happen, and if it did happen, prosecute them.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Jesus Christ. Right, I don't know. I don't know, you know,
because I remember saying in the primary when it was
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. The first time, I said,
we're about to find out who America is more afraid
of a black man or a white woman. There turns

(52:51):
out they were more afraid of the white woman because
he was half black or something, and they tortured him
the entire time he was in office, which I'm sure
they will do, you know, or would do with a
woman in office. You know, there's no woman who will
pass uster.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Well, that's why it cracks me up, because who will.
People are trying to gass up Michelle Obama about running,
and she's like, if you don't get the fuck out
my face with that bullshit, or you know, the Michelle Obama.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Version of the Michelle Obama version of if you don't
get the fuck out of my face.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Right, she was like, y'all. Basically, she was like, y'all
ain't ready, so don't waste my time. Not to mention
she doesn't want to. She barely wanted to be first Lady.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
She loved her husband and support her husband more than
she didn't want to be first lady. And that's the
only reason why, Like don't, just don't. And people are
like trying to come at Kamala about some of the
way things are. She was like, I'm not the president,
so what you're yelling at me exactly?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yep, this wouldn't happen in my watch, So you go
to hell. She has a book out and I want
to read it. Yeah, I do want to read her book.
But yeah, you know, we have some lessons from the past,
like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But again, she had the right

(54:18):
to keep working. She wasn't. She was not senile. I mean,
she wasn't in perfect health, but she was not losing
her faculties. Right. I mean Diane Feinstein staid too late
at the party. You know, it seemed apparent that her
staffers were running things for quite a while, right, And

(54:42):
we need to not do that. And you know, Kathy
and I had this conversation recently and I was like,
if you were embarrassing yourself, we wouldn't let you, right,
We'd say it's time to go. Remember you wanted to
know it's it's time to go. It's time to bow
off the air, you know. And She's like, I would

(55:04):
expect that, And I'm like, I know, why did she
not have anyone who come on? Baby? But everyone else
enjoys the power that they have because of position. And
you know, I want politics to be different, right, I
just do. But you know, Nancy has had a long

(55:25):
and distinguished career, A trailblazer, a fighter. She proved she
knew how to rally things, she knew how to you know,
get to voters. She did some pretty amazing things as speaker.
And I wish her a lovely and healthy and long

(55:45):
retirement because she has certainly served us often, thanklessly, for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I want her to sit somewhere with some brandy and
her feet up and some bunny slippers, reading some trashy
novel just because you fucking can. That's what I want
for her.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Mm hmmm. So I'm jumping to Manuel Miranda, who was
annow dot com saying it was an easy decision to
cancel Hamilton at the Kennedy Center, another institution that Trump
has trashed law while I was away. Yeah, they refused

(56:26):
to perform, and good.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And not just them like Isa Ray was supposed to
perform and didn't. It was a bunch of folks. And
it's basically like, fuck.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Y'all, is your monkey ass happiness? You got? You got
let's say, Kid Rock, Nicki Minaje, right and Chachi. Yeah,
so enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
And just because you put a house faggot in charge
doesn't mean that it's going.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
To be art. No, it does not, It doesn't. I
have an anecdote. I would love to add to that,
but I'm not going to. But I have one right
at the tip of my dad.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I don't know if he does know how many minutes
make up a year. He's not the one.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Got damned, he's not the one. Nomm hm no, no, no,
no no. It's going to take a long time to
get these institutions back to look at all the mess,
because we've got like it's kind of like a drunken
toddler just running through the country. Wow, that's an apt image. Yeah, yeah,

(57:36):
just just smashing things, including the Kennedy Center.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
The arts community had five hundred and twenty five six
hundred ways to say fuck you.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah. Wellnell had said that this was a publicity stunt
that would backfire, and of course, you know, this is
the Center's new president. Of course he deleted that tweet.
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
They don't need to do a publicity stunt. They're fucking Hamilton.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah. And of course, Harvey Feirestein said he was banned
from the Kennedy Center after he criticized Trump and called
Crenell a self loathing queer because he is that part,
you know, and self loathing queer is a little more
eloquent than housewaggot.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
But it's the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
It is distinction without a difference, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't blame them at all. I
don't blame them at all, you know, because ugh, what
you're doing is ugly and awful, and the more people
that stand up against it, the better. We've had some

(58:55):
amazing No King's Days and you know everyone said that
was that, that they were stunts, but boy did they
lead to some results election day?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Boy did they that part? And may that continue? May
that continue? I you know, we've often said what will
it take for people to stay interested and go vote?
And you know, how bad does it have to get?
And you know, we're seeing how awful his Supreme Court is.

(59:26):
And we'll talk some more about that that elections have consequences. Indeed,
y'all let's see.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
So I want to talk about this real quick because
it's still going. The New York Historical Society has an
ongoing exhibition honoring and displaying the LGBTQ legacy of the
Harlem Renaissance. So the exhibition is all about the queer

(59:58):
folks that that were a part of that movement. And
you know, we always talk about how the Harlem Renaissance
was about, you know, the black intelligensia, which it was,
you know, and the the artistry and the music and
the thinking that came out of that movement. But we

(01:00:21):
never talk about how queer it was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
It was in the twenties and thirties, and it was
very queer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yes, very very queer. In fact, most of the people
that we name off the top of our husband talking
about the Harlem Renaissance were queer as fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
My Raini, my Rainie, Langston.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Huge Langston, Hughes, keep going. Yeah, so that exhibit the
gay Harlem Renaissance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
The first is going with the water Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Took a second.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
It's running, It's it opened in October and it's running
until March.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Oh. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
That's why I wanted to talk about it, because you know,
people should check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And this is where you said, the New York Historical Society. Yes, uh,
where where is that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So the New York Historical is Central Park West. Yeah,
And so we're going to post a link to the
website so that you can go check it out because
it's an amazing collection of the legacy, the queer legacy,

(01:01:44):
the black legacy of a major influence in American pop
culture and American culture at large. And I want us
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I would love to, Yeah, I would love to say it.
M h to say so no, it's interesting. So all
we have a Central Park West, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
We got one seventy Central Park West, Richard Gildaway on
seventy seventh Street.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Okay, and that's where this display, Yes, m B, yes,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Gay Harlem Renaissance runs until March eighth, twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I love that. No, I would love to see that
since worth seeing exactly. Yeah. The more we study history,
the more we cry. Well, that's all I got. I
love the headline. DEM candidate glitter bombs anti LGBTQ plus

(01:02:45):
Christian group over transphobic survey. I think it's only fair
they get a little sparkle in their life. Read show. Walter,
a thirty two year old heterosexual who is one of
sixteen Democratic candidates it's running to represent for Illinois's seventh
congressional district in the US House, recently responded to a

(01:03:07):
candidate survey from the transphobic Illinois Family Institute by filling
it out and enclosing it in a glitter bomb ha namely,
an envelope filled with lots of golden glitter just waiting
to spill abon whoever opens it. Okay, I love that. Yeah,

(01:03:28):
So one of the funny things about running for offices.
You get inundated with a bunch of questionnaires asking what
your positions are, considering whether they'll endorse you or whether
they will campaign actively against you, including some of the strangest,
most gobliny people on earth. For example, the Illinois Family
Institute boldly bringing a biblical perspective to public policy in

(01:03:53):
the Land of Lincoln, which I guess to them means
opposing abortion and LGBT interests.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, mmmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
They sent the questionnaire asking if he supports withholding federal
funds from schools that allow biological males to participate in
female sports. So they oppose trans people, but only if
it's male to female and not the other way around.

(01:04:22):
And he added that to the group's questionnaire actually asks
the sports question twice. They're obsessed with it. We know
those the children's genital fetishists are obsessed. Yeah, they're gleefully
transphobic and homophobic. So I think it's only fair that
they get a little sparkle and they're like, well, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
And the thing about glitter bombs, besides.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
You know you can never get rid of all, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
It's besides being attention grabbing. That's so disrespectful because you
ain't never getting that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Out They don't deserve any respect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Oh I agree. I'm just saying I love how disrespectful
it is because becomes part of the DNA, whatever it
lands on, you ain't getting that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
You go ever, God, we have never had this many
items in our favorite segment. It's time for.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
Empoya people taking pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Name he it is so Alex Jones appealed the one
point four billion dollar defamation judgment in the Sandy Hook shooting,
and the Supreme Court rejected. It is back, but we
paid for you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Right, this is back in mid October.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
It is but still good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Right, he don't deserve nada.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
This conspiracy theorist described the twenty twelve Sandy Hook Elementary
School shooting as a hoox staged by crisis actors. Right
Info Wars was his show in case you've forgotten nothing.
There was no comment from the justices, which they issued

(01:06:05):
without even asking families of the victims to respond to
Jones's appeal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Right, because we're not even going to bother y'all with this. Nope,
get the fuck out our face.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
A lawyer who represented the families said the Supreme Court
had properly rejected Jones's latest desperate attempt to avoid accountability
for the harm he has caused. I want these people
to pay. Uh, I want them to pay for their lives. Yeah,
you know this shit is biblical, by the way. You know,

(01:06:37):
there's that whole thing about those who lead my innocence astray.
You know, there's a whole thing. I'm not gonna look
it up, but there is. And trust you you know
it's like and that's who these people actually are and
who's worshiping them, the Christians, the fucking evangelicals. It's crazy.
It is crazy. And yeah, I want them to pay

(01:06:59):
and pay big for their lies, worked on rudy for
their lives. Who just said? Which one was it him?
Which one of them? Just said? If the Democrats take over,
we're all going to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
That's our hope the Trump administration is over. Hm, that's
all right, Yeah, that is our.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Hope, said the quiet part out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yep, he dies. Yeah, I forget who's sign up, but
it was one of these jackasses anyway, they said nope,
So he's still on the hook and he should be.
And good Oh that was Steve Bennon. I confused, Steve Bennon,
Alex Jones. I think they're the same person. I mean,
they basically are.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Very minimal difference.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Bloated white men, bloated, blotchy white men who haven't seen
their dick in decades. Yeah, same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
One bite to stake away from not being here. No
more livers. Sound like this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Carrying a defibrillator Like it's a girlfriend, Iowa. I'm just
picturing these dudents like shocking themselves in the hallway to
keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
You know what the most exciting battles right, well, this
is my girlfriend, clear.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Exactly. Iowa must play eighty five thousand dollars because state
troopers blocked trans students from capital restrooms. Yeah good right,
six months after Iowa removed gender identity as a protected
class from its civil rights laws, jackasses, The state now
must pay eighty five thousand dollars to LGBTQ plus students

(01:08:46):
ejected from the Iowa Capital in twenty twenty, among them
trans students who were denied access to the building's bathrooms.
Iowa Safe Schools and LGBTQ Plus Youth advocacy group sponsored
a visit for about one hundred and fifty Iowa students
and chaperones to the Capitol to meet with legislators in

(01:09:07):
twenty twenty. The group's then executive director, Nate Monson, told
the Iowa Register that at the time, Iowa State Patrol
troopers told several transgender students they couldn't use one of
the bathrooms and had to use a gender neutral restroom instead.
When he intervened, arguing the troopers directions were inconsistent with

(01:09:30):
state law, the entire group was ordered to leave. Yep, yeah, yeah, Wow,
the Civil Rights Code includes gender identity. He told me
it did not. Then I told him, yes, it did,
and he said, well, it doesn't include bathrooms. The students
were then told to leave the capitol altogether, that they

(01:09:51):
had been banned from the capitol grounds and that they
would be arrested if they returned.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
File a suit in twenty twenty two alleging sex based discrimination, harassment,
and unlawful retaliation. Under terms of a settlement agreement filed
in July approved by the Iowa State Board Appeals on Tuesday,
the state will pay the students and group leaders to
settle the case without admitting any wrongdoing. Well okay, yeah, yeah, good, good.

(01:10:27):
I want it to be expensive. That's apparently all we have, right,
make it cost, Hey, make it cost if you're going
to be a lying piece of shit, if you are
going to discriminate against people because you don't like how
they look, you know, yeah, I make it be expensive
to be stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Please these didn't that used to be the phrase, if
you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Yes, yes, so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Okay, fine, let's put that into action.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Meant we mentioned the Kennedy Center earlier. Uh huh, it
hasn't been going well, right, So the headline reads, empty
seats and plummeting sales have plagued the Kennedy Center since
Trump's takeover. It's quote dire.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Sorry about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
He promised to make it hot again. Instead he's made
it toxic, as with everything he touches hot again. Yeah, yeah,
it didn't need your help.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Yeah, Kennedy Center was before him, one of the hottest
tickets in town, no matter what was playing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Washington Area residents and visitors to the Capitol are voting
with their wallets a referendum on President Trump's golden Age
in Arts and Culture, a new analysis by the Washington
Post describes half empty halls and plummeting ticket sales at
the Kennedy Center, which Trump took over as chairman earlier

(01:12:04):
this year, vowing to end woke programming. In his purge
of the once revered arts and culture institution. He fired staff,
replaced advisory boards, and installed a new team headed by
Rick Garnell, who we have earlier indicated as a housewag. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:12:24):
the numbers are not good. The three largest performance venues,
the Opera House, the Concert Hall, and the Eisenhower Theater
worse they've been in years. Yeah, tens of thousands of
seats left empty. Since Trump took over, forty percent of
tickets remain unsold for the typical production at the venue

(01:12:48):
in the new fall season. Forty three percent excuse me,
from a pool of one hundred and forty three thousand
seats during September and October, more than fifty thousand and
remain vacant. During the same period last year, only seven
percent of seats on average were available on a typical

(01:13:08):
production on the day of the performance. Huh. Patrons spent
half as much money on tickets in September on the
first half of October twenty twenty five as during the
same period in twenty twenty four. Uh huh. Given the
unprecedented takeover of a nonpartisan arts institution, combined with the

(01:13:28):
inexperience and rhetoric of the new management, I expected to
decline in sales, said a former staff member. These numbers
are likely more dire than they appear, as they don't
account for canceled productions or shows moved into smaller theaters
due to weak ticket sales. Uh huh, a current staff member.

(01:13:51):
Of course they're all speaking, said, The drop is all
about Trump. This downturn isn't just about pricing or programming.
It feels directly tied to the new regime's leadership shift
and the broader political climate. Yeah, we don't want it right.
It's not fun. Your bullshit is not fun. He The

(01:14:11):
only book that man ever read was mindkomf Is it
not obvious yet?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Had read to him whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Or there's a coloring book, whatever, He had a thirteen
year old read it in Epstein's bedroom.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Because I'm sorry, you take away queer folks, brown folks
and quote unquote wokeness out of art and what is left?

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Nothing good?

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Well, and again the last gasps, We're never going to
be easy, and that's not what we're saying. Mediocrity is
not happy about, you know, seating anything. And they see it,
they see their days are numbered.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
And we get kid rock Ted Nugent, the Village people
and Nicki Minoj and well that's the biggest star on
their roster.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
And is it all the Village people or just someone?

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
I mean, the whole group's been ruined and tainted now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Which is ironic as irony of irony of irony. Yeah, so, uh,
it's not going well at all. And if that's not shottenburd,
I don't know what it is. But there's more. Kim
fucking Davis, that ignorant bitch is still on the hook.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
The Supreme Court did reject her efforts to overturn, you know,
the ruling that said she owes money, and they declined
to revisit Overfeld at this point anyway, right, they declined
to hear an appeal from her, the former Kentucky clerk
best known for refusing to issue marriage licenses to say
sex couples after overveiled yep. Following the ruling, she stopped

(01:16:05):
issuing marriage licenses altogether. And since filed multiple appeals seeking
to challenge same sex marriage protections. Once again, that is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Her hill to die on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
They rejected her efforts. In this latest appeal, David sought
to overturn a one hundred thousand dollars monetary award she
was ordered to pay to David Moore and David Armhold,
the same sex couple to whom she denied a marriage license.
Her petition also urged the court to use the case
as a vehicle to revisit the constitutional right to same

(01:16:38):
sex marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
How dare you exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
The petition, along with the couple's brief and opposition, were
submitted to the Supreme Court on October twenty second and
considered during their private conference on November seventh. She needed
at least four votes for the Court to take up
her case, but fell short.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Yep, want and you can tell how long she's removed
every queer person from her life just based on her
hair and wardrobe.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
J Yeah, she ain't got a gray friend. She wouldn't
look like that. Good good, Yeah. No, I think you
should go about the business of figuring out how you're
going to pay these gentlemen, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Churn some butter or whatever prairie ass looking bitches like
you do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Nobody else will caught her her maybe donate it. Oh,
this one is a head scratcher. The ride is now
transvestigating Charlie Kirk and his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Eating their own.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Well, I said, just give it time, and it's happening.
We knew it was inevitable. They're now knee deep with
Charlie Kirk and his widow. Who for a minute was he?
They canonized him, didn't they? Some? Pretty much things got weird.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Well, it's still kind of weird. I saw a shirt
on Shine with his picture and said in loving memory
and the dates.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Nothing in love. So so which one do they think
a secretly trans both of them?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Well, mostly her.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Oh it's her, and that's how he died broken heart.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
No like someone on X posted several photos of of
her from her Miss Arizona pageant contestant days, alleging that
they showed evidence that she was secretly trans talking about
her jawline, her collar, the five gap.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, they're so fun. They can't tell. And actually when
they can tell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
It's because yeah, they were as and then they're trying
to say that Charlie Kirk said, Charlie Kirk seemed so
feminine and emasculated because she was a transgender handler. That's
why he was so pretty. Those are words?

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
What are we even? Those are words though, like a
transgender handler?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
The one thing like Pizzagate and all these people, It
turns out America was run by this huge pedophile ring.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
It's just the Republican which is looking in the wrong direction.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
And Trump is their leader. Yeah, you were right, you
just were looking at the wrong people. Yeah, like this
is Candice Orange. Shit, Yeah, y'all look crazy. Yeah they do.
And like we know that. They said the same thing
about Michelle Obama.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
They some of her recently because of her Fannie Leba
would spoke.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
For some reason. They try to say that Dylan mulvaney
was a trans man before becoming a transwoman. What what?
They're insane? And I don't know why we even give them,
you know, inches, but they did, and it couldn't happen
to a nicer widow. How's that? Okay, let's say, Oh,

(01:20:45):
the leader of Turning Point pled guilty to attempt an
election fraud. By the way, Yeah, Turning Point was Kirk's thing.
Former GOP state rap Austin Smith was Scott submitting signatures
in his re election campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Ih See.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
The former Republican state legislator, pleaded guilty to what he
previously called ludicrous charges that he personally forged more than
one hundred signatures on his petition for reelection last year.
But he did. The Republican from Surprise Arizona was a
member of the far right Arizona Freedom Caucus, which has

(01:21:26):
a history of spreading false claims of election fraud. The
irony should kill them, it should choke them, if only,
if only. As a part of his guilty play, he
admitted signing the name of a deceased woman on one
of his candidate nomination petitions in March of twenty four.
He also admitted that he attempted to deceive the Secretary

(01:21:47):
of State's office by knowingly filing petitions containing forged signatures
of purported supporters. So he pleaded guilty, and he did
all that shit. He was at the time he was indicted,
strategic director of Turning Point Action. Turning Point Ussay's advocacy arm,

(01:22:10):
the far right organization based in Phoenix aiming to mobilize
young conservatives founded by none other than Charlie Kirk advocacy. Yeah,
another Republican criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Of which they are legion oop.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Yet and finally, Marjorie Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Green yep, the notorious NTG.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
This bitch has only had a deal with the Republicans
for like a week, but she knows she a better
hire a security guard, like she knows how fucked up
they are.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
She has blasted Trump for vicious attacks amid a pipe
bomb scare and death threat against her son since you know,
she's been calling for the Epstein files to be released,
and she has turned against Trump. Yeah, you know, she
waited until her pension. You know, they only have to
be in Congress for five years to get a pension.

(01:23:22):
By the way, crazy damn. Yeah. They raped the country
in so many ways and she went in. I mean
she had money, but she has a hell of a
lot more money now because insider trading. Yeah. Anyway, Marge,
who is still a psychopath, Yes, has made some sense
lately and it hasn't gone well with MEGA And now

(01:23:47):
she quits and she's gone. She's resigning. Yeah, and she's
not retiring, she's resigning, which means they're going to be
down a seat until it's filled. She knows that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Yeah, he withdrew his support from her because she broke
with her party on several issues, most recently the approach
to healthcare and the government shut down, and their opposition
to legislation that would order the release of the government's files.

(01:24:24):
Jeffrey Epstein, Yes, every fucking time I had to agree
with her, I was angry. Is that because I hate
this woman? I mean, she's still the one that put
the billboard outside her office that said there are only
two genders, not She's a piece of shit, and she's
never going to not be a piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, don't trust her just because she happens to be
technically correct.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Apparently she can read the tea leaves though, and she
has turned against her party and they're michigoths and she's
going to pick up her marbles and go back to Georgia.
And there is speculation she will be running for president.
Bitch please Yeah, but ju Ju way now, because you

(01:25:09):
know she knows that the leopards do at your face
and now they're aimed at her. Oh, I'm sorry. Right,
you've been account to us for all these years and
you weren't afraid then, right? It only took a couple

(01:25:31):
of weeks against your own people to know they have
no limits. Nope, hmmm interesting right, anyway, that's why that
belongs here. This has been your moment.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
Of employ people taking pleasure real name?

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Yay, I missed that so on the way out to
the break And it has certainly been a minute since
I asked this question. I should have been able to
pick up just because I'm back. But anyway, do you
have a fifteen minute pap? Tell us about it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
So we recently honored the one year anniversary of my
brother in law John's passing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
I was looking for this song that he loved that
I also loved that I heard a lot growing up,
but I had no idea how to begin to go
about finding it. I went on a hunt, and luckily
my sister, between me, her and context Clues were able
to figure out what the song was. And I've been

(01:26:45):
listening to it on and off since. It is by
Willie Cologne and Reuben Blades and it is called Pedro
Navaja and I just love this song. I've always loved
it as a kid, and it's basically about this badass
dude who walks around town and everybody the women want
him and the men want to be like him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
So it's bad, badly very brown.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
He's banished something like that. So we're gonna go out
to the break with Pedro Navaja by Willie Cologne and
ruben blades.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
And this is sir John. We'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (01:27:26):
Or let's quina del viko bars, los alam last man
and los b.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Husn so Bredo.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Manio loud di.

Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
Problem Salil Clintes, Oscurus, Parcenos da Mirando, undian tro kwandor
reve Brian Doo comtres guadras, quina una muher parre coriento

(01:28:17):
la sera and terra porquin traves jenu sagua tricedam trago
parol vida Kelda stavloco in cleanesaravahar dasamuespaci to la venda

(01:28:37):
no marcas perroto save Pedro Nava, las Manosi, predentro Gava
viras onlo well Via brigard me andras Kamena pasa la
vistas kina squina No seven alma is not easier.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
M h.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
And we are back. We're back, Okay, I haven't missed
this part. It's time for the cavalcave. Of nonsense, and
boy is it hmmm. A trans man was harassed by

(01:29:52):
security and kicked out of the women's bathroom in Illinois.
This is what y'all said you wanted, right, It's almost
like what you really want is for us to not
exist at all, really, because this keeps happening to butcher
women too. Yeah, and some of them are you know,
sisht Yeah, and they just happened to, you know, be

(01:30:15):
a little more masculine looking due to picos or you
know whatever. And they're getting fucked with two because people
are crazy. A transman says security guards harassed and threatened
him with arrest while using the bathroom at an Illinois
arcade bar in September, alleging that one called him a

(01:30:37):
danger to children. Y'all need to check who's a danger
to children, because it is not us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Y'all are thinking of sis man, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Are thinking of yep, you are. You are the ones
who are pointing their fingers are the ones you need
to look at.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
I learned in the third grade when you point one finger,
you got three point backage.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Or you should. Yeah, it's going to happen more and
more often. I'm not going to belabor this, but it's
that is going to happen more and more often. If
you want to send me to the men's room, it's
going to be a riot. And likewise, how many trans
room I pictured you want to send that dude? Okay,

(01:31:23):
I don't go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Well that's been a a nd.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
He'll kick your ass when you question him, because.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
That's becoming a growing movement on social media, these like
burly ass trans men going, you want me in the
women's restroom?

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
And they haven't thought any of this through. And you
know what, the women the cis, women who are claiming
this is about protecting women and joining in with these
yahoos deserve everything that's coming to them. Well, I'm sorry,
but you're inviting it. You're inviting it. This is not feminism. Nope,

(01:32:05):
you want to exclude us. You know you want to
say this is about protecting your children. You are not
protecting your fucking children because your husband's the problem. Yeah,
check out the little league team he coaches. Well, and
stay the fuck out of my life, and I will
stay out of yours. I only go in there to
pee and check my makeup.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Anyway, Donald Trump's East Wing demolition trashes Eleanor Roosevelt's queer legacy.
That's the headline. She held the first press conference by
a first lady in the East Wing. It became a
base for her activism. Yeah. Yeah, he's demolishing everything. Literally,

(01:32:47):
he's stepping on everything that's good and worthy and worthwhile
because that's what he is and that is what his
legacy will be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
If you give a pig a sledgehammer kind.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Of kind of, it'll kiss a minor.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Goddamn. Now would they burn that book?

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Nope? I mean maybe I don't know. Yeah. See, but
but the fact that queer people exist, that's the problem,
not y'all Jesus Christ. Anyway, Like we know what's happening.
This is an article in The Advocate talking about you know,
it's awful. It's awful, disgraceful. You know, Betty Ford said

(01:33:40):
of the East Wing. If the West Wing is the
mind of the nation, then the East Wing is the heart. Well,
he cut their heart out, which was expected. I mean
he's he's imboldened. He's doing everything he kind of throttled before.
It's a mess. The Olympics, in all of their courage,

(01:34:06):
moved to band trans women. Oh yeah, and we're talking
about the really small numbers, right, and cis female athletes. Yeah,
with male levels of testosterone. Even if you come by
it naturally, ladies, they don't want you. Yeah. The IOC
head Kirsty Coventry previously said she would come up with

(01:34:30):
new guidelines to protect the female category first and foremost.
It was fine. It was protected, thank you very much.
But okay, the International Olympic Committee, the IOC, is moving
toward a decision on whether trans women can compete in
women's sports. Yeah. Just looking for the punchline because I'm

(01:34:56):
so sick of all this conversation. I mean, we knew
whe the goglins were. They were stringent before. We are
not dominating any goddamn sport. Pay attention, right. Yeah. In February,
Trump signed an executive order prohibiting trans student athletes from
participating in women's sports. Yes he did. Although the order

(01:35:19):
mainly targets trans athletic competition at the KA twelve level,
it also orders representatives of major athletic bodies to promote
policies that are fair and safe, which they used to
be in the best interests of female athletes. As we
just defined females and apparently they can have very much

(01:35:39):
testosterone consistent with the requirements of Title nine. Yeah. Sure.
The US Olympic and Paralympic Committee, the USOPC, and the
National Collegiate Athletic Association the NCAA barred trans women and
girls from women's sports, despite the order itself not carrying

(01:36:01):
the power to mandate a unilateral man And what are
we talking about? Five people? Is it ten? Could it
possibly be ten? What is the threat? And where are
these record holders that are just getting in the way
of everyone?

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Or is it that you mainly abenis? I'd like, I
don't even what the fuck? Seriously seriously, and who's complaining?
There are gonna be women and this is gonna you know,
who's gonna get hurt more, who's gonna who's gonna pay
how many African yes women, oh yeah, happen to have

(01:36:38):
Yeah mm hmmm, two birds right, one stone.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
But my whole thing is, like, it's one thing when
you talk about like the regular playing field of sports,
where it's like these mediocre, like mediocre people complaining about
unfair advantage, But it's the fucking Olympics.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
It is supposed to be any mediocrity. So if you're
that big and bad, then it doesn't matter who's competing
against you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
And can I just say, is this really what matters
in the world? No, never did, never did, never did.
Could all go away and everyone would be fine. Yeah,
but yeah, let's keep doing this. Let's keep doing this.
And you know, again, we're talking about a minute number
of people. There are over one thousand Jeffrey Epstein victims,

(01:37:29):
ding ding ding. How many of them did Trump fuck
when they were thirteen and fourteen and fifteen years old?
But let's talk about trans.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
As many as shy, as many as he could.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Oh, by the way, he commuted George Santos' sentence. Yeah,
so he's the one releasing criminals on the street people. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
including the insurrectionist that he pardoned. Yeah, brilliant, brilliant strategies
all the way around. Supreme Court is probably going to
rule against conversion therapy ban, you know, because they keep saying,

(01:38:03):
we're complating it with you know, the the aversion practices.
We're also talking about talk therapy. Never in the history
of ever has any version of conversion therapy worked. Nope, Yes,
there are self living people who were taught to hate
themselves yep, who think that they're going to a professional
who can help them not be queer or trans and

(01:38:23):
it's never once worked. They delude themselves for a time
sometimes m hm, and start organizations like I don't know, exodus, Yeah,
and then they wind up in a same sex relationship
apologizing for all the people who killed themselves at their hand.
I was going to say, that is what happens. It's

(01:38:43):
a cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
We know it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Everyone knows it, and fuck the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
The only way conversion therapy quote unquote works is when
the person kills themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Well, yeah, one less and I think that's how they
look at it. I think that's how they must look
at it. Well one get yeah, yep. People like is
you know, working to tell the real story about conversion therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Yeah, we watched a couple of the videos they were
on their YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
They are releasing a short documentary refaming the debate in
human terms. They are short, like twelve minute films called
I Changed My Mind. We did watch a couple of them.
I think that look it up and give a few
a listen. I mean, most of our listeners are just
kind of you know, cheer on the choir, but some

(01:39:36):
they are some of the stories of folks who were
steeped in religion and and you know, chose love instead.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
It's always better that way.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
And you know, by the way, Pray Away has been
out on Netflix for I don't know how many years now,
Go watch it. Yeah, and I think it should be
required watching for the Supreme Court before they decide to
word rule about conversion therapy, because you know, we can't
even get what's his name this de sober? Oh yeah, Cavanal, Cavanal.

(01:40:11):
Let's see what else. A woman was charged with a
hate crime for spray painting a trans symbol near a
Christian school. It's really happened. She was bullied at the
school as a kid, but parents of kids at the
school say they thought the transsembol meant a school shooting

(01:40:32):
was coming. Really, really, did you? A woman was charged
with a hate crime after she spray painted a transgender
symbol near a Catholic elementary school in Maryland, and she
pleaded guilty to charges of defacing the property of a
religious institution and malicious destruction of property, which are both misdemeanors.

(01:40:55):
She was accused of spray painting the combined male female symbol,
which they wouldn't know what it is. I guess right,
But it meant that there was going to be a
school shooting really okay near the Saints Peter and Paul
Elementary School in Easton, Maryland.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
These people need to pray for brains.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Yeah. Parents of kids in school claimed that it made
them afraid because there was a school shooting in Minnesota
in August that was allegedly carried out by a transgender person.
Um most mass shooters again, oh, sis and heterosexual identified
and men right not transfer But okay, yeah, be afraid,

(01:41:40):
be very afraid. Dumb bitch is going.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Dumb bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
She's spray painted the symbol because she wanted people to
know what it meant and to create a sense of
space for herself. Oh God, people don't know what stink
things through. She was arrested in charge with a hate
crime against who. Again, if I wish they had to
choke on irony, because then they would think about it.

(01:42:07):
Marilynd's hate crimes statute includes the use of hate symbols,
which this is not, and lists newses and swastikas as
examples of such symbols agreed. She was held in jail
with men without the possibility of bail, and denied access
to healthcare for two months. She was sentenced to time

(01:42:32):
served and five years probation. The school's lawyer pushed for
her to be held without bail, of course, and then
said that his severe response to the vandalism has nothing
to do with the transgender identity. Oh yes it does.
This was never about danger, her lawyer, Laurence Greenberg said,

(01:42:54):
it was about discrimination, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
That is not a hate symbol. That was not a
hit crime. I mean, if anything, was probably a cry
for help. But yeah, let's let's make sure we punish
her to the full extent of our fear so she
doesn't do that again.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
You know how, let me say, they better be glad
we want justice and that revenge. Yeah, keep fucking around,
and you're not gonna be able to tell the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
When mom Donnie won to what happened to Deborah Messy?
What what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
It was? On election day, she posted something like ninety
something memes and articles on her Instagram story.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Essentially calling the new mayor a terrorist. If I'm yeah, wow,
and this is this is before because he has Muslims, right,
this is before he.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Was even elected. This was that whole election day. There
was several of those things were Islamophobic, a lot of
things calling him anti Semitic, anti Israeli, a lot of
pro Israel stuff, some racist shit, some pro Trump shit

(01:44:21):
that like I'm not even sure if that's what she
meant to do, but it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Girl, hmmm, girl, it was a lot. It was like
crying and like sweating, and I was like, yeah, I
was having a happy night. I didn't need to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
It's like she's been in a couple of days afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Yeah, she's I don't have to move now, progressively problematic
over the past couple of years anyway, And she was
on willing great, I know, dear God, It's like, I'm wondering, what.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Does she think is going to happen? What does she
think he's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
They're gonna put her on a train and take her
to a camp directly?

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Oh honey, I think they're going to put me on
one first. But he's not right, and I think you're
pretty safe with him too. What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Yeah? She losing her rabbit ass mine and I used
to have way more love and respect for her.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
I know, thoughts and prayers. I guess get some help.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
I hope she does, sincerely, Like, no, Shade, get some help.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Yeah, speaking of gets some help. What the fuck is
up with Nicki MINAJH girl? Where did she lose her mind?

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Well, she's been deteriorating the past few years. Drug use
has been suspected.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Like she's been having mountdowns in real time on social media.
But usually it was like every time another female rapper
did anything good, usually Cardi B, she would mount down.
But her rants have become transphobic, have come just more

(01:46:06):
and more unhinged. And then recently she just straight up
started supporting Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Yeah no men and women's sports.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Yeah, Like, okay, if it weren't for the LGBTQ community,
she would not have a fucking career. Let's start with that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Well, then let's make sure she doesn't. What the fuck.
I hope her followers are going, what the fuck? Cause
what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Exactly what you just said? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Yeah? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Like Cardi B even tweeted at her, she was like,
I say this with love and respect. You need to
go to therapy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
And stop doing drugs, stop letting the man that lives
in your house spend all your money and keep you
high all day because this is not working out for you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Says no shit. Good good for Cardi B Thank you
to your God. Yeah, it makes it's making no sense
and it's m it's messy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
You know. I was just starting to get to the
point where I was openly admitting that I liked her,
and then she sucked it up.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
I don't like her. I'm done. I'm done. You know
what I'm done. I'm done once you, once you I
I don't know if there was a bigger bet Middler
fan than me right until until until I know. Yeah,
and then she doubled down on her on her turf

(01:47:37):
bullshit and uh yeah, broke my heart. And still don't
care what she does at this point because you know
what you did break my heart. Yeah, and what you
say matters to a whole lot of people, and you
don't give a fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
You can't unring that bell.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
No, you really can't. And you have the chance to.
You could have been gracious, you cut a rethought that ugliness,
but you did not, you know, And it's sad, but
once it happens. I can't stop seeing you, right, I can't.

(01:48:16):
You showed your ass. We all saw it. Okay, now
we know. I believe you the first time. Mother Maya
taught me that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Yeah, I'm still mad at Kanye. Well, it's like so
many of his songs I've been wanting to listen to,
but I can't because I can Well, no, I can't,
because then he'll get money off the streams and I
can't support that. And like I'll be putting shit on
shuffle and one of his songs will come on and

(01:48:45):
then I get mad and then I have to stop
and I have to take the song out of my rotation.
It's like, now you make an extra work for me. Well,
that's true, it's you crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
All right. Before we get any more angry and we're
kind of veering already into pop culture, we're going to
take one more break and then we're going to come
back and we are going to pop the culture and
cleanse those bells.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Hellolujah, we'll be right back, all right, be right back,

(01:49:25):
and we're back.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
We're back.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
Cut.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
So we watched Eddie Murphy's documentary, Yes, Being Eddie. It
was Being Eddie very good apart from the Dave Chappelle
of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yeah, that's the thing. It was a really good, well
done documentary, except for the fact that they insisted on
including Dave Chappelle and Jerry Seinfeld a.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Lot they did. Why do we not like Jerry?

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
He did he do something?

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Comedians can't say anything anymore because woke it can't and
cancel culture.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Did he say that? Really? Huh? Didn't know that. I
know what Dave Chappelle said. Anyway. Eddie Murphy interestingly talked
about Yule Brenner trying to proposition him for an encounter
with Yule and his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Yeah, and he didn't realize until he had it was home.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
And he was like, wait a minute, now, I wish
I would have went and fucked his wife in front
of him, And yeah, that's a story. It would have
been a story. It was worth watching. And he's kind
of become very zen. We did see his retractable roof
close and yeah, but arguably a game changer. I mean

(01:50:39):
arguably and so many levels. And you know the thing
that I the little aha moment I had because I
had never thought about it, but God knows, we've done it,
and we do it to women. We do it to
minorities was when they sort of talked about, you know,

(01:51:00):
being the next Richard Pryor and Richard Pryor is still
around and creating this sort of false sense of a
feud or what have you. Because there can only be one,
right black comedian. There can only be one superstar. There
can only be one. And I hadn't thought about that,

(01:51:22):
hm and I went, God, damn, Well that is so manufactured.
Why can't there be Why can't they both exist and
be brilliant at the same time. Well, that's the same planet.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Part of what initially started driving Nicki Minaj crazy. They
were doing that shit with her. It's like, there can
only be one female rapper who's successful. Then Cardi B
came along and well first it was Lil Kim and
then Nicki Minaj came along and they were like, oh,
she's the next Little Kim. Then Cardi B came along,
She's the next to Nicki Minaj.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
It's like, which we don't have to do, We don't
and nor should we sit there and allow it. Addie
Murphy didn't, right, but yeah, and we have done this
to women for years, you know, like there's so many
stories especially like in the nineteen fifties of the b
actresses who didn't make it past that status, like Jane

(01:52:13):
Mansfield because there was already Marilyn Monroe, et cetera. You know,
we had one where she looked too much like X
or yeah, well her style was too much like why
so we had the one. We couldn't have two.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
And then Robert Townsend touched on this as a joke
in the movie Hollywood Shuffle, how like, if you wanted,
if you were a black actor trying to like make it,
you had to be like if they're looking for an
Eddie Murphy type, you had to be that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
But he rightly said, you know, I opened the door.
It's Trenzel. I opened the door for you know, it's
a matrist. And he's right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Arguably, forty eight Hours was the original Buddy movie m
It's like, look at how the formula like follows that,
you know and the cool young black action starr. They
tried to replicate it a couple of times, like they

(01:53:22):
tried to do it with Carl Weather's action Jackson. They
tried to do it a Whoopee Goldberg, But that also
can be chalked up to they didn't know what the
fuck to do with her.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Well, that's true, but she did, okay, yo, one could
easily say she founded me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
She did. But like right after, like when she were
first trying to like after Color Purple, they were trying
to like find a way to like make her like
the mainstream hit and like they tried it with over
Here with Jumpin Jack Flash and like that was great
but didn't do exactly what they were looking for. Then
they tried to with Burglar and then that didn't work.
They tried to with Fatal Beauty. That didn't work. They

(01:53:58):
tried to make her an indie star Telephone and that
was just horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Sister Act was okay.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Sister Act was like when it that, that's the one
that did it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Anyway worth seeing? I agree. It was a good watch.
It was Netflix, right, I believe, Yeah, Netflix being Eddie right, Yes, yep,
watch it. So MTV is shutting down, Oh yeah, all
their music TV channels.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
It's officially the end of the era, like.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
MTV, like they're going to exist, but they won't be MTV.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Yeah, it's well, I mean it's been that way for
a while. It's been like nine reality no music videos.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
But remember when that's all it was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
I Do to Real World was like the turning point
was like, I know, what's this? What is this? Because
music videos that's what MTV was. Yeah, I miss original
recipe Real World? Do you I do well? Because like
it was nothing like it but that and then like
after that, once you know what it is, you're self

(01:55:05):
aware and you start producing yourself and then it becomes
what it became. But the originally was an experiment, like
so rip the m in music and MTV.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
It's now TV taving so many things that we watched
since the last time I record, I'll plow through it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I watched the ice Cube War.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
Of the World.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
It was horrible. Okay, I didn't know the whole thing
took place on computer screens because it was done during
the pandemic. So it was like, you know, if you
work for the NSSA and so you're seeing the entire
world via a computer screen, what was it looked like, child,
don't do it to yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
Okay, it looked like it was.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
It's spent eight it costs eighty three dollars to make.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Not a recommendation. No Thursday Murder Club.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
That was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
That was fun. And I want it to be like
a series wanted to, you know, grow. It was good,
well done.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
A bunch of older, intelligent folks in a high falutin
retirement community. They have a little club where they get
together and visit cold cases and see if they can
solve it. And it got deeper than they anticipated.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
It was very good.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
It was good and I could see it. It was
like a better only Murders in the Building.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Yeah, there's a whole season and that that I haven't
even touched yet, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
But I liked Netflix as well, right, I believe so.
I think so absolutely worth watching as a movie and
you'll see what we mean. It feels like it should
you know, be your companion for.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Yeah, the cast was week Perce Brosnan. Was it Helen Mirren?

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
Yeah, Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
It was very good.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
It was good, good cast, great acting, good writing. It
was It was definitely worth saying. That was a cathe recommendation. Yes,
what the hell is? K Pop? Demon Hunters.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Is got kids on a death grip. It's an animated
movie on Netflix about this group of K pop singers
who are also demon hunters and their job is to
like there's a barrier that keeps the demons from Earth,
and their music is what creates the vibrations, like with

(01:57:27):
the fans. As long as the fans are happy with
their music, then the barrier is strong. And so like
the demons created their own K pop group to battle them,
and like it was. I watched it because Lisa kept
badgering me to watch it because she's obsessed with K pop,
Like you gotta watch it, And it was actually fun

(01:57:47):
and the music is great, like I've listened to the
soundtrack like on my own. It's just good, Like it
was fun K pop Demon Hunters. You're looking at me
with this confused look on your face. It's like, what
the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
Is this why you still don't always pick up yourselves
even after I threw most of them away?

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
Oh slash, Yes, but yeah, like the stars of the
the Voice actors have become like ridiculously famous on their
own right, the songwriters have become ridiculously famous in their
own right. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
I don't always understand y'all, and I don't have to,
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
I finally watched the movie Barbarian by the director who
brought us Weapons, which I also saw Barbarian was a journey.
It's a horror movie, so you'll never see it. But
basically every time you think you know what's gonna happen next,
no you don't. Not one time, was I right? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
So that was fun. Is that a recommendation, Yes, I
recommend barbe Okay. The next one I made you watch
Nonah's Nona's. It is such a sweet, sweet movie. Sonnah's
is based on a true story about a restaurant in

(01:59:19):
Staten Island where actual Italian grandmothers cooked the cuisine of
their roots, and Vince Vaughan plays the man with the vision.
Brenda Bagaro, who I have not seen in ages is
one of the Nonahs. Lorraine Brocco and Italias Shire who

(01:59:44):
I have not seen and I didn't recognize her the
first time through from from from Godfather. They're the Nonah's
in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
And Susan Saranda, Susan Sarandon, Tamny Pescatelli, well she was
in it, but she was minor part. But Joe Imaginilow
was in there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
He was the best friend. I haven't seen him in
a while, and sold his dad's fifty nine Plymouth fury
to fund the restaurant, and then I believe Vince Vaughan
got it back for him, right, But it was. It's
a sweet movie. I love cooking movies. I love movies
about food in the way food brings us together and
the way the way we have sense memory. Yeah, you

(02:00:29):
know the way, and you know because one of the
storylines is Vince Vaughn trying to replicate the sauce his
mother and his grandmother used to make every Sunday, and
he can't quite figure it out, the sweetness in the sauce.
He can't figure it out. And it's not sugar and
it's not honey, and it's not maple syrup and any.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
And don't spoil it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
I'm not going to spoil it. But he finally figures
it out and it's you know, there's so much, there's layers.
It is just sweet and feel good. You found tried
and I found the recipe and it's good made it
It is good. It's it's I've seen it now at

(02:01:12):
least three times, yeah, at least three times, and I
love it. I love the movie. I love this story.
I love that it's based on a real story. Maybe
one day we'll eat there. But I love the idea
of it, and it was just well told. Yeah, I
love this. It's a Maretha movie right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
There, it is a Martha movie. I love to see that.
Jeffrey Owens got to got to be working as what
he played, the health inspector, because like there was that
time period where like he was not working in Hollywood.
He for whatever reason, couldn't work in Hollywood, and he
was spotted as a a bag boy in a Walmart

(02:01:52):
or something, people trying to clown him for having a.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
Job job okay, known as highly recommen I believe that
is also Netflix, right, yeah, this is why I'm here.
We can't get rid of Netfox, despite how much I
lose Dave Chappelle. No, no, it is worth the watch,
Yes repeatedly, You're welcome. Yeah, so good. Yes, this other shit,

(02:02:17):
I don't know. I see a list of words. Oh, yes,
there's words here.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Swallowed. I happened the pond. It was under LGB.

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
That's a movie.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Yes, it's like, uh, they call it a horror movie,
but it's not really. But it's like this gay dude
is leaving town to go via a porn star in California.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Oh, we watched this together.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
No we didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
Yes we did. Oh, yes we did.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
No, I watched it at work by myself.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
No, we watched this one together? Or I watched it separate?

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
You watch it separately.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
I saw it with the bugs bugs.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
Yeah, we didn't watch it together.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
He's going to California to be a Oh yeah with
the bugs. Yes, that one.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
Okay, So we watched it him and his friend.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
A lot of dick. No, you watched it. Told me
there's a lot of dick.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
And then you watched it, and there was a yeah,
in no good way.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Was there a lot of dick? But there was a
lot of dock on the I didn't say. And it's
good and hard dick, but yet yeah, unappealingly. So it
was weird. It was a weird movie. It was not
a me movie at all. I think I told you that,
though you did, and I think I okay, dick and yeah,

(02:03:38):
So what's your takeaway? Mine?

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
Was I watched it? I don't. I'm not sorry I
watched it. It's not bad, but it wasn't that great,
all right.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
And there's definitely dick in it, but sometimes dick for
Dick's sake is a miss a swing a miss.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Title title next a stupid. For some reason, I've decided
to torture myself by going back and watching Girls.

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
I cannot imagine why, but okay, you did the Leah
Donald she got me the first time, She'll never get me.

Speaker 2 (02:04:34):
Well, it was like I remember, like why did I
I feel like I hated that show so much? And
now I go back and I'm watching it, like, and part.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
Of everything I hate about being white is surmise, like
kind of encapsulated in Girls. Yeah, every every time I go, oh.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Jesus, yeah, they call the girls because dumb bitches wasn't
as good enough title. I guess even though it was
more accurate.

Speaker 1 (02:04:56):
That would be misasionist.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
And accurate.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
It kind.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Yeah, I'm not calling them dumb bitches because they're girls.
I'm calling me dumb bitches because they're dumb bitches. You know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
The one thing I thought about was like, because I
say often like I didn't. It's not like I want
to be a I don't want to be a woman.
I don't. I just am I just damn. And if
you want proof of that, watch Girls. I don't want
to be that any more than I want to be white.
I love Oh my god, I don't think you could be.

(02:05:33):
But but you see my point, it's like, you know
what we are, what we are, and uh, this is
white women.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Or that I'm really just watching it for the sake
of completion, because like I'm in for a penny, in
for a pound.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
But I just don't know why.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
I just what.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Made you? I don't know, you know what, here's a
good idea.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
I don't know. It's something told me because it was
such a hit, I'm like, let me let me know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
But I didn't get through much of it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
Try and watch it objective?

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Was it because people identified with it? Because I did not,
And that was and that's where they lost me. Same
with what's the one where they're all born on the
same birthday and it's all like a big tear jerk,
weekly tear jerk. It was like thirty something, Oh, this
is us, yes, but no longer groundbreaking, this is us.

(02:06:23):
I didn't get it. I think I got two thirds
of the way through the first one and then went,
no fucking watching this. There's no reason on God's earth
I would watch this, and I never did.

Speaker 2 (02:06:36):
So I think I'm approaching girls academically, like I'm trying
to figure out why was this popular.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
Okay, well, no, I guess that's a that's a way
to approach it. Because I couldn't figure it out and
I stopped watching it. I guess I've found them insufferable.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
They are, But I guess if you're.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
A but I'm not entertained by the insufferable. If I
want to see unsufferable people, all I have to do
is go to work as a trans person.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
But I guess if you're a young, up and coming,
self absorbed white girl who's trying to make a way
for herself using your whiteness as a sword and shield,
I guess it appeals to you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:15):
Huh maybe yeah, that's yeah. Okay, so academically you have
been watching girls kind good on you. I'm not joining you.
I don't know this next one either.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
I was listening to a podcast that analyzes horror movies
that I love, and they were they were. One of
the episodes was Deaf by Temptation, and I was like, oh,
I haven't seen that movie in a long time. And
it was like, you know, foundational independent horror films not
with death but deaf, deaf, d e F and right

(02:07:50):
because it's an all black cast early nineties, and you
know deaf is was this like deaf jam right? Okay,
I don't know what death means like cool, like high
quality dynamic? H Yo, that was deaf.

Speaker 1 (02:08:12):
It's dynamic by temptation. Huh.

Speaker 2 (02:08:17):
The title actually makes sense. It was really just to
let you know that it's black.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
But yeah, and and rewatching it like it was Actually
it held up. You know, it was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
It was well done.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
Let's see what else.

Speaker 1 (02:08:32):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
I watched Weapons finally because it was available in streaming.
I wanted to see it when it was in the theaters,
but I missed it. And that movie is fun. Same
director that did Barbarians, and it's a ride. I recommend Weapons.
It was fun. It's not really scary, but it's definitely

(02:08:52):
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
I'm just over here.

Speaker 2 (02:08:55):
Every time you see children running, you should run the
other way. I also watched The Substance finally. That movie
Demi Moore earned her ask for now. Oh that's the
one you were trying to describe to me. Yeah, but
I never want to watch. It's a commentary on like

(02:09:16):
women aging in the public eye. Yes, it's the tip
of the Iceberg, Joe, but I loved it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Yeah, okay, you mentioned and we watched we started rewatching,
well not rewatching, but watching The Great British Baking Show.
And once again I want to say, if you just
want to watch something that's sweet and fun and wholesome, yeah,
where they compete for a plate so they like help
each other and it's just not American competition in any way,

(02:09:50):
shape or form, and the oven doors are cool. The
Great British Baking Show is like it's really good for
mental health, right, you know, silly, fun, interesting. Yeah, you
learn a little about crumb and what happens if you
under or over bake and beck like you know, and

(02:10:15):
just to say bake. Yeah, it's just yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (02:10:21):
You learn how many fucking accents there are in the UK.

Speaker 1 (02:10:24):
There really are, goddamn. But no, it's it's kind of
just a nice little comforting show. It is. Yeah. I
don't know what v HS series.

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
There's a series of horror movies called VHS and they're
all like like found footage, first person POV. And I'm
enjoying it, like it's mostly trash, but.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
It is one fine mostly trash. Where is this found?

Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
Oh? All over various street I'm cobbling it together, the
various streaming services.

Speaker 1 (02:11:01):
This is also about the socks, isn't it shut?

Speaker 2 (02:11:06):
But a couple of like each one has a couple
of standout sequences that are really cool, and the rest
of it is trash. But what was interesting to me
was like, after I was watching it for a while,
I had a moment of blurred reality because it's all
like first person point of view, like in you know,
you're running around the dark with just the light.

Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
And I'm familiar.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
A good portion of my job is running around the
dark with just the light. And there was a couple
of times, well, like I had that blurred reality where
I felt like I was still in the movie.

Speaker 1 (02:11:41):
You know, the job is the Blair Witch Project. No,
it is that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:49):
It is that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
But yeah, okay, so that's the thing. But you're also
watching Yes, okay, Boots we did watch together. Okay, the
fucked up thing about Boots us you put it on
in like the middle of episode five for some reason.

(02:12:14):
That's where it started.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
That's where it started for me.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
I'm not saying we share our password, but and it
made no goddamn sense, and I was of all the
places in the world to start a show like it
assumes we know these characters. It assumes so much, like
I hate this, it makes no sense. It just assumes
so much. I mean, it was it was oh god, yeah,

(02:12:40):
it was a sterile white school teacher. It was awful,
and it just assumed so. And then we realized we
were We did not start at episode one at the beginning,
so then we did that and it was so much better,
and we actually enjoyed the series because it does build.

(02:13:01):
It's one of those series that builds and you get
to know the characters and you followed storyline, and then
by the time you get to episode five, it made
it so much more just interesting. You have to see
one through four and a half otherwise it makes no
goddamn sense and you get frustrated. It was good, it

(02:13:25):
was good. It was good. I hope I actually hope
there's another season. Yeah, it was, it was interesting, it
was good. It was provocative, you know, mag I don't
like it because they said it was woke. You know,
it's about gay soldiers and fuck them, and that made
me watch it harder. Exactly once we started it one,
it worth seeing.

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
That's what made me want to watch it. The fact
that the also Netflix Depositive Defense was mad about it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:52):
Yes, Netflix, Yeah, it's worth seeing, absolutely worth seeing. Yes, layers,
good writing, interesting characters, yeah yeah, Boots. Yeah, but started
at episode one. Yeah. Better if you do, you'll thank
me because I don't know how that happened. But that
was fucked up. It's like, wow, that's the worst show ever.

Speaker 2 (02:14:15):
I hate this.

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
See you lumped all of my shows together as if
they don't matter.

Speaker 2 (02:14:24):
No, No, it's all of a theme.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
There is a theme, the theme being we watched too
much television that I have supported my goals in the
house with television, starting with Hoarders, and I did watch
several seasons supporters. Some of it traumatic, of course, you

(02:14:49):
know some of it My mother was My mother was
a clean hoarder, but she was a hoarder. Started with Hoarders,
moved on to Marie Condo, Yes, and others about cleaning
and organizing and you know, saying goodbye to things and
thanking them for their service and all that.

Speaker 2 (02:15:07):
But the thing about Hoarders was every time we got
to a commercial break, you've got.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
Up in like away. Yes, it was very motivating, and
that's been the theme that is the overall theme and
watching home improvement shows, Hometown, Bargain Block, yes, all these others,
like I binge them until they're done. I felt kind
of bad for the boys on Bargain Block. They just disappeared,

(02:15:34):
I know, like season five, they just stopped mid season.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
No more money for you.

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
Yeah, did you were researching that? What the hell happened?

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
They Tathen Evan Evan.

Speaker 2 (02:15:47):
Yeah, HGTV just pulled the plug on them.

Speaker 1 (02:15:49):
Was like they finally had a gay couple and they
were doing cool shit. They were like rehabbing Detroit Detroit
and selling at reasonable prices to first time home buyers.
It was a very altruistic and lovely and cute. I mean,
Keith was a pain in the s and he did
over the top shit. But they had a mission with

(02:16:10):
Shay as their realtor, you know, obligatory, funny black friend
and whatever. It was good and they built like this
whole It was also a smart realtor. Yes, but apparently
behind the scenes something happened.

Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
It's never been made exactly clear what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:16:31):
It stopped mid season.

Speaker 2 (02:16:32):
Yeah, just there was a disagreement between them and HGTV
and HGGGV pulled the plug in the middle of the season.

Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
They probably said, you are not paying us near enough,
and HGTV said, watch what happens when we pay you
nothing exactly, because that's what happens when queer people speak up.

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
Right, But like their business and Shay's business were all
like very tied into the show. So when the show
went away, it's like they had nothing right. So, I like,
none of their websites have been updated in months.

Speaker 1 (02:17:05):
It's a shame. Yeah, I mean it's still helped me
keep moving. Yeah, I've come up with some interesting ideas, Yeah,
watching it because I am I'm dead set into again cleaning, organizing,
not big a hoarder, and completing these projects on a budget. Right,

(02:17:25):
So you know, it's all been motivating.

Speaker 2 (02:17:27):
I will say the order that we watch things made
a huge difference because we were watching hoarders and watching
these people like their goal is to like not have
their house taken away from them. They don't get their
shit together. And then when that was done, we started
watching the home improvement shows and people having budgets of one, two, three,
four or five hundred thousand dollars, And then you tried
to go back and watch an episode of Holders, and

(02:17:48):
I couldn't go backwards.

Speaker 1 (02:17:50):
I was like, no, no, no, I you know, it's
my my, my loose theme idea where I've been living.
Right now. It is making room, you know, making room
for change, making room for what comes next, considering the

(02:18:16):
things that we keep. I mean, when you look around
at how many storage facilities, like it's a business storing
the shit that doesn't fit in your house as a
literal business model, something's wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:18:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:18:31):
We have way too much stuff, right, and for all
kinds of reasons, and I am guilty of. You know,
when we moved from my Philadelphia house to Above the Bar,
it was not a pleasant move. It was a necessary one.

(02:18:51):
And there's a lot of stuff I wasn't willing to
part with, and you know, so I packed things that
in my right mind I would have gotten rid of,
and some of that stuff I'm just unpacking now here.
Years later, You're like, oh, I do own that, and

(02:19:12):
maybe I don't know even why I packed it, you know,
in multiples of things and things that were sentimental to
this house but that I don't care about. And I'm
able to say I don't care about that, you know,
and move forward. So it's been good, it's been cathartic.

(02:19:34):
We're stinning the possessions and trying to make sense of
what we do have, you know. And one of the
ideas that came out of all of those shows was,
you know, you shouldn't be storing more than you have
the room to store things, right right, whatever you keep
should fit within whatever your alloted storage space might be. Yep,

(02:20:00):
And I agree, makes sense, yeah, because we keep way
too much shit, like, take a picture of it and
get rid of it, right, you know, unless you love it,
if you really really love it, then that's the justification
for holding on to it. There was also what was
it The Gentle Art of Death Cleaning Swedish death cleaning,
Swedish death cleaning, and that was that was lovely.

Speaker 2 (02:20:21):
I'm mad that that show didn't have more episodes.

Speaker 1 (02:20:24):
I know that great. It was really good and it
was about you know, how we keep things and what
do we keep and can we pass things on now
along with the stories that go with the items and
the generations, and.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
Not leaving a huge mass behind right for people after you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:44):
Go like my parents did, right, not leaving all of
that behind, but having dealt with it, but dealt with
it in thoughtful and lovely ways.

Speaker 2 (02:20:53):
Right, passing along the things that you want passed along
with the actual intention being made own to the people.
And they're being rhyme, reason and purpose to what you keep.

Speaker 1 (02:21:06):
Yeah, it was nice. They made like different boxes, like
gift boxes with the story of why this item is
in the box, and it was it was so lovely.
It's definitely worth watching. I forget where we found it,
but it's Hulu or something, but the gentle art of
Swedish death cleaning.

Speaker 2 (02:21:25):
And we learned a word that we used to this day, fika.

Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
It's just I'll be bright, yes, fika at which they
take every episode. Yes, that's been the theme that's been
where I've you know, there has been actual reason for
what I've been watching, and it has helped inform, you know,
getting ready for the next chapter, getting ready for the

(02:21:51):
you know, whatever comes next in the new year, and
you know, maintaining my energy for all the things that
I all already have going on. Yeah, and the house
is getting better. We're finally finishing jobs that needed to
man for a long time exactly. Yeah, So as we

(02:22:12):
enter this, it is Thanksgiving week in two days, you know,
made up holiday, but whatever. A lot to be thankful for, yeah,
a lot to be thankful. We will have a small
dinner which Kathy has mostly catered with some homemade stuff,
and that'll be nice. It'll be nice. Yeah, I'm grateful

(02:22:34):
for a lot of things. It's been an interesting ride
since September. I'm really happy to be back on the microphone.

Speaker 5 (02:22:43):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
Thanks and you we're gonna keep doing this on the
regular now because.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
You know we're back, hallelujah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:52):
How about some podcast business, Yeah, let's do that.

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