August 2, 2026 • 27 mins
Six days before recording this episode, our lives changed.
Camille was diagnosed with an aggressive form of breast cancer.
We've spent years talking about psychology, storytelling, adversity, and the choices that shape our lives. Suddenly, those ideas weren't topics for discussion—they became the reality we had to live.
This isn't an episode about having all the answers or offering a formula for getting through hardship. It's an honest conversation recorded while we're still in the middle of the story, when emotions are raw, questions remain unanswered, and the treatment plan is still unfolding.
In this deeply personal episode of the Full Mental Bracket Podcast, Brent and Camille talk about receiving a cancer diagnosis, facing uncertainty, and the psychological challenges that often begin long before treatment itself. Together, they explore fear, catastrophic thinking, expectations, relationships, faith, community, and the search for meaning when life suddenly changes.
Rather than pretending everything is okay, this conversation asks a different question:
How do you keep moving forward when life gives you a chapter you never wanted to own?
Whether you're facing cancer, another serious illness, grief, or an unexpected life crisis—or you're supporting someone who is—we hope this episode helps you feel a little less alone.
In This Episode
(00:00) – When the Framework Becomes Real
(02:36) – Receiving the Diagnosis
(06:23) – Why Your Tribe Matters During Crisis
(09:11) – Negativity Bias and Catastrophic Thinking
(11:22) – Choosing Useful Interpretations
(12:47) – Feeling Every Emotion Without Living There
(18:40) – Managing Expectations
(22:58) – Hope Without Pretending
Learn more and find additional resources at fullmentalbracket.com.
Full Mental Bracket - learning to tell a better story with your life
Camille was diagnosed with an aggressive form of breast cancer.
We've spent years talking about psychology, storytelling, adversity, and the choices that shape our lives. Suddenly, those ideas weren't topics for discussion—they became the reality we had to live.
This isn't an episode about having all the answers or offering a formula for getting through hardship. It's an honest conversation recorded while we're still in the middle of the story, when emotions are raw, questions remain unanswered, and the treatment plan is still unfolding.
In this deeply personal episode of the Full Mental Bracket Podcast, Brent and Camille talk about receiving a cancer diagnosis, facing uncertainty, and the psychological challenges that often begin long before treatment itself. Together, they explore fear, catastrophic thinking, expectations, relationships, faith, community, and the search for meaning when life suddenly changes.
Rather than pretending everything is okay, this conversation asks a different question:
How do you keep moving forward when life gives you a chapter you never wanted to own?
Whether you're facing cancer, another serious illness, grief, or an unexpected life crisis—or you're supporting someone who is—we hope this episode helps you feel a little less alone.
In This Episode
- What it means to face a story you never wanted
- Why the brain naturally jumps to worst-case scenarios after difficult news
- How to process fear and grief without becoming trapped by them
- The role of family, friends, faith, and community during crisis
- Managing expectations when everyday life suddenly changes
- Choosing useful thoughts instead of catastrophic speculation
- What happens when psychology and storytelling become intensely personal
(00:00) – When the Framework Becomes Real
(02:36) – Receiving the Diagnosis
(06:23) – Why Your Tribe Matters During Crisis
(09:11) – Negativity Bias and Catastrophic Thinking
(11:22) – Choosing Useful Interpretations
(12:47) – Feeling Every Emotion Without Living There
(18:40) – Managing Expectations
(22:58) – Hope Without Pretending
Learn more and find additional resources at fullmentalbracket.com.
Full Mental Bracket - learning to tell a better story with your life
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Happy time period, Bracketeers, we're coming at you with a
brand new episode. One of the main principles of our show,
as you might recall, is growth through adversity, basically the
idea that there are many struggles in your life and
you just can't avoid all of them, or even most
of them, but you can put them to work to
(00:22):
make them tools of growth, to make them meaningful instead
of mindless suffering. We've mentioned many times that your struggles
are part of your character arc, how they shape the
person you become as you face them and overcome them,
like a character in a story, like a character in
a movie. You are also in that shaping period where
you become bigger and stronger and more powerful and a
(00:44):
mighty Jedi. Well maybe not that part.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I feel the power the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He Man movies. That we have the power of gracecoll
the power of grace goal. We also talk a lot
about the comfort zone and how it's a seasonal location,
how the seasons of rest are good and necessary, but
storm clouds will come eventually and with them will arrive
new challenges for us to face and new adventures to overcome.
(01:11):
These things usher in a new season of growth. The
hero's journey starts with a shift. Something changes in the
world and our old methods and our old tools don't
work anymore, and we have to learn something new.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think a change.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You know, it's like you say, a shift, a change,
But oftentimes it comes in the form of like a
big like if you think of a big football player,
a linebacker, and it just tackles you to the ground,
knock shit out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And you're like, well, that was a shift.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
All right, So I call it a shift. Camille calls
it a sack. I was just running for the end
zone and suddenly six hundred pounds if somebody is on
top of me, Yes, exactly feels like that. But the
thing is that the principle remains is that the ways
that we've been dealing with our lives no longer work anymore,
and we have to learn something new. Hence the character arc.
(02:09):
So over the shows, I've given a few examples of
what that might look like. I mean, one that comes
up a lot that I've mentioned more than once is
receiving a scary telephone call from the doctor that upsets
your hopes and messes up your plans and really messes
with your cool groove.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Or hits you like a linebacker, or hits you.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Like a linebacker. This brings us to today's episode, Adventures
and Suckfulness, taking ownership of a scary story.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So scary story.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We have been diagnosed with cancer, and it's not the
good kind of cancer that's easily cured. It's the bad
kind of cancer that's going to involve much in the
way of chemo radiation, surgery, and a.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Whole lot of suckfulness.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So we have to decide, now, how are we going
to look at this, How is this a part of
our story? What's the journey like? And is breast cancer
going to beat us or are we going to beat it?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I have strong opinions on how that story is going
to go. I'm betting on a protagonist, I know. So Yeah,
we've been teaching, we've been talking, we've been lecturing, we've
been bantering about taking ownership of your story. And now
now we.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Get to show it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Now we get to now we get to walk through it.
Now we get the opportunity to show how that works
in real life.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
We've been assigned some homework we have I thought we
were out of school. I've learned otherwise. All right, So
as you might imagine as we have. We're like day
six since we found out, So this is not like
we've had a lot of time to reflect and processed.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I call it. I call it day six of month.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It has felt like this week has felt like a month. Yes,
it very We didn't have many details at first, and
it was really scary that first twenty four hours we
didn't know what was going on and everything went out
the window.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm not sure we still know what's going on. Yeah,
but we're a little closer.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
A little more information. But it's been an up and
down journey. It's been very much a roller coaster. I
am not, for the record, a fan of amusement parks
or roller coasters, so I didn't really sign up for
this fling a little nauseous and seasick from time to time.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
But we do have to take a step back, and
we have to say, let's look at the bigger picture.
Let's look at this is part of our story. Now,
there's no as you said before, there's there's no we
didn't there's no opting in and there's no opting out.
(04:51):
This is this is what's been put on our plate,
this is what's been given to us, and now we
have to determine how we are going to look at
this and what is our perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Going to be.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Are we going to throw a nice pity party, which
you can do. You need to feel your feelings, you
need to go through the grief process. You need to
feel all the emotions. And I think we've felt all
the emotions hourly. Uh it's uh, we've we've we've cried
a lake, there's a there's a nice boat ramp and
(05:29):
all of the amenities to our lake at this point.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
At the time, the time will be crazis yes, yes,
so there's Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
There's not been a lot of fun in any moments
this past week, but there have been a lot of
moments of grace. And I would say, just people rallying
around us and.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Would we talked.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We've talked so many times about the tribe and how
important the tribe is to have your back.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Wow, already, we're, like I said, six days into this,
and I felt profoundly honored by the way that people
have come to give back to us in ways I
did not expect, in ways I didn't quite always feel
worthy to. I'm like, wow, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, yeah, the people, the people in our tribe are
really stepping up, and I, like Brent, I feel honored.
I feel sometimes I don't feel worthy, but as this
process is unfolding, I do feel like God has has orchestrated.
(06:45):
He's already placed these people exactly where they needed to
be for this season. He's already given us, you know,
just random things. I went to the doctor and had
to do a CT scan and the whole thing's scary.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
The lady at the.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Desk has on her desk these little figurines of Jesus
and Mary, and next to it she's.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Got a yellow cross and two yellow ducks.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I mean, all these things are just like this is
so randomness, but just like what made me happy and
what I needed to see. So I feel like God
is definitely orchestrating the path and how we're moving through here.
Our tribe is absolutely essential, and again I encourage anybody
(07:42):
who doesn't have a tribe. You need to build your tribe.
That is, when stuff like this comes down the pike.
You have to have people in your life that are
going to have your back and they're going to support
and love you through the process.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So make sure you have your trip and.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think the record needs to reflect that yellow ducks
are kind of your spirit animal.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Anything yellow. It's like, I'm all about as you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Told me that you wanted a jeep, and then you
told me the g people had yellow ducks, And I'm like,
do you want the jeep because you want a jeep
or you just want to use to have a bunch
of yellow ducks. Have a desk with all your whole
mentos that are with wheels that rolls around down uh.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And also, for the record, Hobby did get me a
yellow jeep? Now it's the size of my hand, but
I do have a yellow.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Jet you asked for, I provide, That's right, you provide,
all right. So a couple points that have come to
us already early in this journey is that you need
to find the meaning of your experiences. Meaning as we've
kind of looked through and lived and done research and whatnot.
Meaning seems to come from seeing the connections to things,
(08:51):
to zooming out to the big picture and seeing what
this moment means in relation to the whole story of
your life and the whole story of your tribe, and
the whole story of what you're trying to do and
what you're contributing to, you know. And a thought that
came up that Kimille was talking about is like, we
need to look at what this is going to look
like when we get through. What is it going to
look like on the other side.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think too, like you know, in episode nine, talked
about negativity, bias and bad changes will automatically populate your brain. Guys,
I cannot tell you the random thoughts that have gone
through my brain this last week, the rabbit holes, the
the just oh my goodness, where did that even come from?
And if I don't consciously take control of that and
(09:38):
make sure that I am stopping those thoughts and writing
a narrative that is going to get me through this season,
it can take me down hard and fast.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
This was reminding me this whole same experience for those
of you in vets joining us to me of deploying
to a war zone, and how I had to find
the right mindset and I wouldn't let myself squirrel away
down rabbit trails of fear. I had to keep to
the script. This is what we're going to do, this
is the mission. I'm not going to go down these
(10:14):
what ifs, because then I will be emotionally exhausted and
not be able to function, and you have to be strict,
strict with your brain. Yes, spiritual people will call this
taking every thought captive. It's like, nope, we're not entertaining
that you get to sit outside. We're using the thoughts
that are useful to help us get through this process.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yes, and fight the battle they've you know, people always
talked about cancer being a battle, and you have to fight,
and the better you are fighting, the better your outcome.
And I am believing for the absolute best outcome. And
anybody who knows me knows that I'm a fighter and
(10:52):
I will fight.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Now I'm feeling kind of I'm like, I feel like,
because our marriage has got so strong, we haven't fought
nearly as much. Maybe we could and better prepared. Do
I need to just peck a fight? No, No yellow ducks,
for your yellow ducks are the worst. We don't need
to practice fighting right now.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well, let's just say that if you take my yellow ducks,
I take your CDs.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
All right, So we're just escalated quickly. We're going to
stay focused. Yeah, But like Kimille was saying, like the
negative thoughts will auto populate you don't have to go, hey,
what are the ways this could go wrong? But you
do need to be deliberative about the ways things could
go right. You know, take some time to think about
how this process, when you inevitably get through it and
(11:38):
survive it, how you're going to be stronger, how you're
going to be different, what you could learn from it,
and when you look at that, then you can be
watching for those opportunities and recognize them as they come, because,
as you mentioned before, it's all about how you interpret it.
The same thing can be totally suckful and also a
growth building lesson that makes you stronger. But you need
to be able to see both of those versions. You
(11:59):
need to be able to switch the lenses that you
look at it. Otherwise you'll miss the blessing, you'll miss
the goodness. You're going to get the pain either way.
But whether you're able to grow through it is very optional,
That's right. I heard a phrase that says what doesn't
kill you only makes you stronger, but I don't think
that's necessarily true. I think you have to be intentional
about that. You have to focus on it and look
for the lessons. If you're just zoning out or self medicating,
(12:23):
or living in a tub of jello pudding. I don't
think you necessarily get the strength that you could otherwise.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, and jello pudding would make you really sticky too.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's gross.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Now I'm thinking about a hot to full of jello pudding. No,
you no, not. Can we build the insurance for that
might be a thing.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Oh no, don't get me started on insurance.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Forget that all right. So another thing you need to
do is you need to take time to feel. There
is no value in suppressing your feelings and pretending I
don't live here. Go away, go visit the neighbors. Bring
all that fear over to the neighbors. Bring that yep.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, and we have we have felt the feelings. Like
I said, multiple times in an hour.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
We feel the feelings.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And we have I think we've been very intentional about
feeling them, not hiding them, talking about them, sharing them
with our tribe, making sure that we are not stuffing anything.
And now we're not pretending this is hard. It's hard
in different ways. It's hard in ways that you would
(13:32):
not think it would be hard, and then it's not
hard in ways.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That you thought it should be hard.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I got a notification last night about our upcoming subscribe
and save order from Amazon, and it had my shampoo,
conditioner and hair dye, and you know, that kind of
threw me for a loop because I had to cancel
that order because I won't have hair.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So that's that that really threw me for a loop.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But they said, hey, we're going to schedule your for
your port and we're gonna get that port put in,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So it's it's random the things that kind of you
think would throw you and don't, and then the things
that shouldn't throw you but do.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And that was it was opposite for me. Is I
thought we were resigned to the hair thing. You know,
obviously it's your hair. But I for the record, I've
had my head shaved several times. I'm used to that.
But when they said they were gonna fit you with
a port and you'd have these biomechanical borg stuff, I
felt like I got punched in the gut. I don't
know why. I just like, oh no, not my baby. Yeah,
but I couldn't. I couldn't have predicted that was going
(14:40):
to be rough.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But then it was yeah, you never know, what's gonna
what's gonna hit you, and you just have to feel
it and you know, cry, rage, whatever you have to do.
All of the feelings are normal. It's what you do
with those feelings and how you live with them. And
you know you don't want to you don't want to
(15:04):
stuff them. You don't want to just live there with them.
You want to process them to the best of your ability,
having others help you process and then be able to
move to.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The next step.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, and that's a good point I forgot about that
we'd mentioned in previous episodes. This fancy embrace yourself bracket here,
because this is a fancy term social alostasis, and alostasis
is how you manage your stress. Your stress goes up
and down, and your hormones come to help regulate. Social
alostasis is offloading that stress to your tribe, helping them
help you manage and regulate your emotions. And this has
(15:40):
been a very strong example of that. Like people come
with me and help us. This has been good, this
has been bad, this has been very scary. Lend me
your strength, lend me your stories, you know, and the
thing we have to remind yourself that it's not don't
judge yourself for these feelings. Don't feel like you're being
weak this this is a sucky situation, and these feelings
(16:01):
are justified. You need time to vent, you need time
to be able to get past it. But also, as
we've mentioned in many episodes, is that there's a season
for that, and once you've processed that, you have to
get up and start walking the path. You can just
sit there and out for the next six months, otherwise
nothing will ever get done, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And a really good example of that is, you know,
in February when we went to first have the lump
looked at, and they told us it was a complicated cyst,
and we lost four months of potential, you know, taking
care of the business.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And I had a lot of.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Rage about that because we could have already been in process.
It might not have had to go the way that
it's going if we had.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Started back then. But that's not where we are now.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
We are here, this is the point we're at, And yes,
I felt those emotions, I process those emotions, and now
I have to really focus on the fight that's ahead
and what I have to do to beat it now.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Right, So that anger is like a rabbit trail. We
could go there and feel that, but it doesn't move
as forward, it doesn't achieve the goals of our mission
currently exactly. Think about this finding meaning, zooming out to
find meaning and then taking time to feel your feelings
as two different modes of processing, two different levels of processing.
There's like a high level thirty thousand feet processing and
(17:28):
there's the sitting in the emotions and crying yeah processing,
But they're both part of the process. You need to
cycle back and forth between them as needed. It's not
going to be a good outcome if you stick on
either one of them. If you're like trying to be
mister Spock and being logical that everything that's going to
catch up with you eventually, and if you're always super
emotional about everything and you can't ever look at the
(17:48):
meaning of it the external value on how you're going
to actually work with this, you're not going to get
very far either.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And having people in your tribe who can help you
if you get stuck. Yes, so sometimes you're gonna get
stuck in those emotions and they're hard to climb out of.
And being able to have people in your tribe who
can say, hey, I think you're maybe stuck in this point.
How can I help you get where you need to be?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Super important?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And that's something we've discussed before. The loving accountability when
you trust someone. When you love someone, they can bring
you hard news because they don't bring it as judgment. Ah,
I got you slacking again. It's like, Hey, I know
this is hard to hear, but I think you're going
to want to hear this because I know that you
want to achieve this outcome exactly. So another point that
(18:41):
we're already learning is how to manage expectations.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yese a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Harder if one of us was a total overachiever or
a force of nature or named after hurricane or something
that could be difficult.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Fortunately, Okay, guys, true, true, true transparency. Yes, I have
high expectations of myself, absolutely, one hundred and ten percent,
and I have worked really hard over the last year
and a half to lose weight.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I've talked about this before.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I'm already eating clean, which is a absolute bonus going
into this mess, because you know, I don't have to
think about and worry about and change my diet completely
going into this. It's already there, already doing it. That's
one hundred percent something to be thankful for. However, I
love to exercise. I get over three hundred minutes every
(19:33):
week of exercise, walking, riding the bike, lifting weights. I
love to exercise. It makes me feel better. And I
asked both our sergeant and our oncologist, Hey, is it
okay if I exercise through this process?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Is there any limitations?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know? Oh? Yeah, you absolutely need exercise. And when
I told the oncologist, hey, you know I do O
worth three hundred minutes of exercise every week.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And he looked at me straight in the face.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, you may want to lower that expectation to about
fifty and give your body a break because you're not
going to get a second wind. Chemo does not give
you a second wind. When your body's done, you're done
and you have to rest. So, yes, managing my expectations
for this overachiever is going to be a real talent.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So you could pray for me.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But you also talked about not setting your expectations too
low either. That's right, so to have to recalibrate what
is the new normal, and we won't even know that
yet exactly. So if you expect to do what you
were doing yesterday, you're going to be disappointed and burned
out and might have to be picked up by a
dump truck. But if you set it down to zero,
you might miss out on all kinds of things you
(20:47):
might want to do or need to do because your
new mental limits. If there's a theme to this show,
one of them is that your mental limits are always,
almost always lower than your physical limits. Your brain is
trying to protect you. You can't do this, you can't
climb that high, you can't run that fast, and when
you have to, you find that you can. And so
as you're recalibrating those limits, you want to be really
(21:08):
careful to make sure that they're accurate. You're not backing
off too much and getting soft unnecessarily because you want
to be fit to get better, but you're not trying
to go into what I like to call Camale mode
and do a week's worth of work in one day.
Not named it after anybody in this room. This is
a different community. Yeah, okay, oh man, So a thing
(21:29):
I think we've kind of mentioned earlier was that we
need to focus on useful things. We've been working with
the information that we have now and being careful not
to speculate on the things that we don't know or
we can't know, or the one in a million things.
We've got to focus on information that we have from
the doctors, the plan that we have now, and just
work the plan, attack the plan. That's what my old
(21:50):
gill instructor used to tell me. You have to plan
your attack and then attack your plan.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So so you know what the plan is is. It
is for sessions three weeks apart of major intense, nasty chemo,
the kind that's going to knock you out for about
two weeks, and then you're going to have one semi
good week. Supposedly this is how this is how it's
going to go. We don't know exactly how my body
(22:16):
is going to react to this. And then after that
we do our second round of chemo, which will be
two weeks apart, so a total of six months worth
of chemo, and then it will be surgery and then
four weeks of radiation daily. We don't know the exact dates,
the exact timing of all of these things because we
(22:39):
don't know how my body is going to react to
that chemo yet. So just wanted to lay out the
facts in case anybody was curious about what does this
process look like for you?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And how is this going to how is this going
to go?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Then that's the rough plan. The doctors can't see the
future any better than we can, but that is statistically
how it will likely go based on previous cases. So
another thing we've been doing has we been drawn on
the stories of others. We've been really, as we mentioned,
lean into our tribe. But we found that you have
to erect boundaries. You have to be really careful about
(23:12):
what stories you're asking for. It's like, we don't we
don't necessarily need any horror stories. It's not October yet,
We're right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's like when women it's like when women start telling
each other about you know, they tell first time moms
they're pregnant. Oh yeah, when I had my kid, I
did this, and you know, and then this happened, and
this happened and you two and a half months. Yeah,
So we've been very careful. I'm not I don't think
(23:40):
I'm just quite ready yet in my processing to hear
the full extent of other people's stories. I love to
hear that they made it through it, that's great. I'm
just not ready to hear the brutality of how they
made it through it, and I will get there. I'm
just not there quite yet. So I'm learning how to
(24:03):
just know when Okay, I'm ready for the next piece
of information. Now I'm ready to know what this is
going to look like and moving into that.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, we found that we have enough regular stress. We
didn't need to sign up for any extra credit stress.
There was no AP stress or college credit stress or
advanced stressed. Like no, no, no, I'm good. That's fine.
My plate is full. Now just scoot that over like no, no, no, no,
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So that's where we are. The story is unfolding. You know.
It is, as we mentioned in your life is a story,
and you are the narrator of that story. You get
to decide. You're not the author. You don't get to
add nothing but happy events, but you get to decide
how you tell the story about those events. And we
are finding ourselves with a very practical prack app way
(24:54):
to actually walk through that, and it's been helpful for us.
But it's also we've been assigned some home. I like
the theoretical I didn't necessarily like the crack app so much.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I don't know, I feel like we are in the
AP class though for.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Cancer, I mean we didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
We didn't get the lower level basic General ed class
on this one. We are We are definitely in the
AP class on this one.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And as a cool easter egg, we keep reminding ourselves
that we are an effective team.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We are an effective team. We may have to talk.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
About that, Tom Cruise oblivion, we.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Have to talk about that, just be on a future,
really great movie. Yeah, we do like that. So here's
some takeaways in the crisis is that you've been facing.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Have you been able to zoom out and find some meaning?
We know it's not easy, but have you been able
to do that in some fashion?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And have you been able to sit with your feelings
instead of suppressing them or running to self medicaid?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Are you processing those feelings?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's a very important part too. Remember it's two levels
to processing, the higher level and then the feeling level,
and then finally, what have you done to manage your expectation?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Cried a lot that count.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I mean it does, it does all right. Bracket tears
a little more of a sober episode, But I one
that's useful, I hope and valuable. We're gonna keep going
as much as as much as we can, and we
hope to have more more exciting things for you.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh, I'm sure it'll be exciting.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We'll have more exciting things, hopefully they'll be for you.
Oh man, all right, have a good I don't know, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
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Speaker 3 (26:54):
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Speaker 2 (26:57):
This is the Full Mental Bracket
Happy time period, Bracketeers, we're coming at you with a
brand new episode. One of the main principles of our show,
as you might recall, is growth through adversity, basically the
idea that there are many struggles in your life and
you just can't avoid all of them, or even most
of them, but you can put them to work to
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make them tools of growth, to make them meaningful instead
of mindless suffering. We've mentioned many times that your struggles
are part of your character arc, how they shape the
person you become as you face them and overcome them,
like a character in a story, like a character in
a movie. You are also in that shaping period where
you become bigger and stronger and more powerful and a
(00:44):
mighty Jedi. Well maybe not that part.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I feel the power the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He Man movies. That we have the power of gracecoll
the power of grace goal. We also talk a lot
about the comfort zone and how it's a seasonal location,
how the seasons of rest are good and necessary, but
storm clouds will come eventually and with them will arrive
new challenges for us to face and new adventures to overcome.
(01:11):
These things usher in a new season of growth. The
hero's journey starts with a shift. Something changes in the
world and our old methods and our old tools don't
work anymore, and we have to learn something new.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think a change.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You know, it's like you say, a shift, a change,
But oftentimes it comes in the form of like a
big like if you think of a big football player,
a linebacker, and it just tackles you to the ground,
knock shit out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And you're like, well, that was a shift.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
All right, So I call it a shift. Camille calls
it a sack. I was just running for the end
zone and suddenly six hundred pounds if somebody is on
top of me, Yes, exactly feels like that. But the
thing is that the principle remains is that the ways
that we've been dealing with our lives no longer work anymore,
and we have to learn something new. Hence the character arc.
(02:09):
So over the shows, I've given a few examples of
what that might look like. I mean, one that comes
up a lot that I've mentioned more than once is
receiving a scary telephone call from the doctor that upsets
your hopes and messes up your plans and really messes
with your cool groove.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Or hits you like a linebacker, or hits you.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Like a linebacker. This brings us to today's episode, Adventures
and Suckfulness, taking ownership of a scary story.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So scary story.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We have been diagnosed with cancer, and it's not the
good kind of cancer that's easily cured. It's the bad
kind of cancer that's going to involve much in the
way of chemo radiation, surgery, and a.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Whole lot of suckfulness.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So we have to decide, now, how are we going
to look at this, How is this a part of
our story? What's the journey like? And is breast cancer
going to beat us or are we going to beat it?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I have strong opinions on how that story is going
to go. I'm betting on a protagonist, I know. So Yeah,
we've been teaching, we've been talking, we've been lecturing, we've
been bantering about taking ownership of your story. And now
now we.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Get to show it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Now we get to now we get to walk through it.
Now we get the opportunity to show how that works
in real life.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
We've been assigned some homework we have I thought we
were out of school. I've learned otherwise. All right, So
as you might imagine as we have. We're like day
six since we found out, So this is not like
we've had a lot of time to reflect and processed.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I call it. I call it day six of month.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It has felt like this week has felt like a month. Yes,
it very We didn't have many details at first, and
it was really scary that first twenty four hours we
didn't know what was going on and everything went out
the window.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm not sure we still know what's going on. Yeah,
but we're a little closer.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
A little more information. But it's been an up and
down journey. It's been very much a roller coaster. I
am not, for the record, a fan of amusement parks
or roller coasters, so I didn't really sign up for
this fling a little nauseous and seasick from time to time.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
But we do have to take a step back, and
we have to say, let's look at the bigger picture.
Let's look at this is part of our story. Now,
there's no as you said before, there's there's no we
didn't there's no opting in and there's no opting out.
(04:51):
This is this is what's been put on our plate,
this is what's been given to us, and now we
have to determine how we are going to look at
this and what is our perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Going to be.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Are we going to throw a nice pity party, which
you can do. You need to feel your feelings, you
need to go through the grief process. You need to
feel all the emotions. And I think we've felt all
the emotions hourly. Uh it's uh, we've we've we've cried
a lake, there's a there's a nice boat ramp and
(05:29):
all of the amenities to our lake at this point.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
At the time, the time will be crazis yes, yes,
so there's Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
There's not been a lot of fun in any moments
this past week, but there have been a lot of
moments of grace. And I would say, just people rallying
around us and.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Would we talked.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We've talked so many times about the tribe and how
important the tribe is to have your back.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Wow, already, we're, like I said, six days into this,
and I felt profoundly honored by the way that people
have come to give back to us in ways I
did not expect, in ways I didn't quite always feel
worthy to. I'm like, wow, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, yeah, the people, the people in our tribe are
really stepping up, and I, like Brent, I feel honored.
I feel sometimes I don't feel worthy, but as this
process is unfolding, I do feel like God has has orchestrated.
(06:45):
He's already placed these people exactly where they needed to
be for this season. He's already given us, you know,
just random things. I went to the doctor and had
to do a CT scan and the whole thing's scary.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
The lady at the.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Desk has on her desk these little figurines of Jesus
and Mary, and next to it she's.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Got a yellow cross and two yellow ducks.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I mean, all these things are just like this is
so randomness, but just like what made me happy and
what I needed to see. So I feel like God
is definitely orchestrating the path and how we're moving through here.
Our tribe is absolutely essential, and again I encourage anybody
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who doesn't have a tribe. You need to build your tribe.
That is, when stuff like this comes down the pike.
You have to have people in your life that are
going to have your back and they're going to support
and love you through the process.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
So make sure you have your trip and.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think the record needs to reflect that yellow ducks
are kind of your spirit animal.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Anything yellow. It's like, I'm all about as you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Told me that you wanted a jeep, and then you
told me the g people had yellow ducks, And I'm like,
do you want the jeep because you want a jeep
or you just want to use to have a bunch
of yellow ducks. Have a desk with all your whole
mentos that are with wheels that rolls around down uh.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And also, for the record, Hobby did get me a
yellow jeep? Now it's the size of my hand, but
I do have a yellow.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Jet you asked for, I provide, That's right, you provide,
all right. So a couple points that have come to
us already early in this journey is that you need
to find the meaning of your experiences. Meaning as we've
kind of looked through and lived and done research and whatnot.
Meaning seems to come from seeing the connections to things,
(08:51):
to zooming out to the big picture and seeing what
this moment means in relation to the whole story of
your life and the whole story of your tribe, and
the whole story of what you're trying to do and
what you're contributing to, you know. And a thought that
came up that Kimille was talking about is like, we
need to look at what this is going to look
like when we get through. What is it going to
look like on the other side.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think too, like you know, in episode nine, talked
about negativity, bias and bad changes will automatically populate your brain. Guys,
I cannot tell you the random thoughts that have gone
through my brain this last week, the rabbit holes, the
the just oh my goodness, where did that even come from?
And if I don't consciously take control of that and
(09:38):
make sure that I am stopping those thoughts and writing
a narrative that is going to get me through this season,
it can take me down hard and fast.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
This was reminding me this whole same experience for those
of you in vets joining us to me of deploying
to a war zone, and how I had to find
the right mindset and I wouldn't let myself squirrel away
down rabbit trails of fear. I had to keep to
the script. This is what we're going to do, this
is the mission. I'm not going to go down these
(10:14):
what ifs, because then I will be emotionally exhausted and
not be able to function, and you have to be strict,
strict with your brain. Yes, spiritual people will call this
taking every thought captive. It's like, nope, we're not entertaining
that you get to sit outside. We're using the thoughts
that are useful to help us get through this process.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yes, and fight the battle they've you know, people always
talked about cancer being a battle, and you have to fight,
and the better you are fighting, the better your outcome.
And I am believing for the absolute best outcome. And
anybody who knows me knows that I'm a fighter and
(10:52):
I will fight.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Now I'm feeling kind of I'm like, I feel like,
because our marriage has got so strong, we haven't fought
nearly as much. Maybe we could and better prepared. Do
I need to just peck a fight? No, No yellow ducks,
for your yellow ducks are the worst. We don't need
to practice fighting right now.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well, let's just say that if you take my yellow ducks,
I take your CDs.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
All right, So we're just escalated quickly. We're going to
stay focused. Yeah, But like Kimille was saying, like the
negative thoughts will auto populate you don't have to go, hey,
what are the ways this could go wrong? But you
do need to be deliberative about the ways things could
go right. You know, take some time to think about
how this process, when you inevitably get through it and
(11:38):
survive it, how you're going to be stronger, how you're
going to be different, what you could learn from it,
and when you look at that, then you can be
watching for those opportunities and recognize them as they come, because,
as you mentioned before, it's all about how you interpret it.
The same thing can be totally suckful and also a
growth building lesson that makes you stronger. But you need
to be able to see both of those versions. You
(11:59):
need to be able to switch the lenses that you
look at it. Otherwise you'll miss the blessing, you'll miss
the goodness. You're going to get the pain either way.
But whether you're able to grow through it is very optional,
That's right. I heard a phrase that says what doesn't
kill you only makes you stronger, but I don't think
that's necessarily true. I think you have to be intentional
about that. You have to focus on it and look
for the lessons. If you're just zoning out or self medicating,
(12:23):
or living in a tub of jello pudding. I don't
think you necessarily get the strength that you could otherwise.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, and jello pudding would make you really sticky too.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's gross.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Now I'm thinking about a hot to full of jello pudding. No,
you no, not. Can we build the insurance for that
might be a thing.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Oh no, don't get me started on insurance.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Forget that all right. So another thing you need to
do is you need to take time to feel. There
is no value in suppressing your feelings and pretending I
don't live here. Go away, go visit the neighbors. Bring
all that fear over to the neighbors. Bring that yep.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, and we have we have felt the feelings. Like
I said, multiple times in an hour.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
We feel the feelings.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And we have I think we've been very intentional about
feeling them, not hiding them, talking about them, sharing them
with our tribe, making sure that we are not stuffing anything.
And now we're not pretending this is hard. It's hard
in different ways. It's hard in ways that you would
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not think it would be hard, and then it's not
hard in ways.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That you thought it should be hard.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I got a notification last night about our upcoming subscribe
and save order from Amazon, and it had my shampoo,
conditioner and hair dye, and you know, that kind of
threw me for a loop because I had to cancel
that order because I won't have hair.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So that's that that really threw me for a loop.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But they said, hey, we're going to schedule your for
your port and we're gonna get that port put in,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So it's it's random the things that kind of you
think would throw you and don't, and then the things
that shouldn't throw you but do.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And that was it was opposite for me. Is I
thought we were resigned to the hair thing. You know,
obviously it's your hair. But I for the record, I've
had my head shaved several times. I'm used to that.
But when they said they were gonna fit you with
a port and you'd have these biomechanical borg stuff, I
felt like I got punched in the gut. I don't
know why. I just like, oh no, not my baby. Yeah,
but I couldn't. I couldn't have predicted that was going
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to be rough.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But then it was yeah, you never know, what's gonna
what's gonna hit you, and you just have to feel
it and you know, cry, rage, whatever you have to do.
All of the feelings are normal. It's what you do
with those feelings and how you live with them. And
you know you don't want to you don't want to
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stuff them. You don't want to just live there with them.
You want to process them to the best of your ability,
having others help you process and then be able to
move to.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The next step.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, and that's a good point I forgot about that
we'd mentioned in previous episodes. This fancy embrace yourself bracket here,
because this is a fancy term social alostasis, and alostasis
is how you manage your stress. Your stress goes up
and down, and your hormones come to help regulate. Social
alostasis is offloading that stress to your tribe, helping them
help you manage and regulate your emotions. And this has
(15:40):
been a very strong example of that. Like people come
with me and help us. This has been good, this
has been bad, this has been very scary. Lend me
your strength, lend me your stories, you know, and the
thing we have to remind yourself that it's not don't
judge yourself for these feelings. Don't feel like you're being
weak this this is a sucky situation, and these feelings
(16:01):
are justified. You need time to vent, you need time
to be able to get past it. But also, as
we've mentioned in many episodes, is that there's a season
for that, and once you've processed that, you have to
get up and start walking the path. You can just
sit there and out for the next six months, otherwise
nothing will ever get done, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And a really good example of that is, you know,
in February when we went to first have the lump
looked at, and they told us it was a complicated cyst,
and we lost four months of potential, you know, taking
care of the business.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And I had a lot of.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Rage about that because we could have already been in process.
It might not have had to go the way that
it's going if we had.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Started back then. But that's not where we are now.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
We are here, this is the point we're at, And yes,
I felt those emotions, I process those emotions, and now
I have to really focus on the fight that's ahead
and what I have to do to beat it now.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Right, So that anger is like a rabbit trail. We
could go there and feel that, but it doesn't move
as forward, it doesn't achieve the goals of our mission
currently exactly. Think about this finding meaning, zooming out to
find meaning and then taking time to feel your feelings
as two different modes of processing, two different levels of processing.
There's like a high level thirty thousand feet processing and
(17:28):
there's the sitting in the emotions and crying yeah processing,
But they're both part of the process. You need to
cycle back and forth between them as needed. It's not
going to be a good outcome if you stick on
either one of them. If you're like trying to be
mister Spock and being logical that everything that's going to
catch up with you eventually, and if you're always super
emotional about everything and you can't ever look at the
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meaning of it the external value on how you're going
to actually work with this, you're not going to get
very far either.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And having people in your tribe who can help you
if you get stuck. Yes, so sometimes you're gonna get
stuck in those emotions and they're hard to climb out of.
And being able to have people in your tribe who
can say, hey, I think you're maybe stuck in this point.
How can I help you get where you need to be?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Super important?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And that's something we've discussed before. The loving accountability when
you trust someone. When you love someone, they can bring
you hard news because they don't bring it as judgment. Ah,
I got you slacking again. It's like, Hey, I know
this is hard to hear, but I think you're going
to want to hear this because I know that you
want to achieve this outcome exactly. So another point that
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we're already learning is how to manage expectations.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yese a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Harder if one of us was a total overachiever or
a force of nature or named after hurricane or something
that could be difficult.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Fortunately, Okay, guys, true, true, true transparency. Yes, I have
high expectations of myself, absolutely, one hundred and ten percent,
and I have worked really hard over the last year
and a half to lose weight.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I've talked about this before.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I'm already eating clean, which is a absolute bonus going
into this mess, because you know, I don't have to
think about and worry about and change my diet completely
going into this. It's already there, already doing it. That's
one hundred percent something to be thankful for. However, I
love to exercise. I get over three hundred minutes every
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week of exercise, walking, riding the bike, lifting weights. I
love to exercise. It makes me feel better. And I
asked both our sergeant and our oncologist, Hey, is it
okay if I exercise through this process?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Is there any limitations?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know? Oh? Yeah, you absolutely need exercise. And when
I told the oncologist, hey, you know I do O
worth three hundred minutes of exercise every week.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And he looked at me straight in the face.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, you may want to lower that expectation to about
fifty and give your body a break because you're not
going to get a second wind. Chemo does not give
you a second wind. When your body's done, you're done
and you have to rest. So, yes, managing my expectations
for this overachiever is going to be a real talent.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So you could pray for me.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But you also talked about not setting your expectations too
low either. That's right, so to have to recalibrate what
is the new normal, and we won't even know that
yet exactly. So if you expect to do what you
were doing yesterday, you're going to be disappointed and burned
out and might have to be picked up by a
dump truck. But if you set it down to zero,
you might miss out on all kinds of things you
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might want to do or need to do because your
new mental limits. If there's a theme to this show,
one of them is that your mental limits are always,
almost always lower than your physical limits. Your brain is
trying to protect you. You can't do this, you can't
climb that high, you can't run that fast, and when
you have to, you find that you can. And so
as you're recalibrating those limits, you want to be really
(21:08):
careful to make sure that they're accurate. You're not backing
off too much and getting soft unnecessarily because you want
to be fit to get better, but you're not trying
to go into what I like to call Camale mode
and do a week's worth of work in one day.
Not named it after anybody in this room. This is
a different community. Yeah, okay, oh man, So a thing
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I think we've kind of mentioned earlier was that we
need to focus on useful things. We've been working with
the information that we have now and being careful not
to speculate on the things that we don't know or
we can't know, or the one in a million things.
We've got to focus on information that we have from
the doctors, the plan that we have now, and just
work the plan, attack the plan. That's what my old
(21:50):
gill instructor used to tell me. You have to plan
your attack and then attack your plan.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
So so you know what the plan is is. It
is for sessions three weeks apart of major intense, nasty chemo,
the kind that's going to knock you out for about
two weeks, and then you're going to have one semi
good week. Supposedly this is how this is how it's
going to go. We don't know exactly how my body
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is going to react to this. And then after that
we do our second round of chemo, which will be
two weeks apart, so a total of six months worth
of chemo, and then it will be surgery and then
four weeks of radiation daily. We don't know the exact dates,
the exact timing of all of these things because we
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don't know how my body is going to react to
that chemo yet. So just wanted to lay out the
facts in case anybody was curious about what does this
process look like for you?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And how is this going to how is this going
to go?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Then that's the rough plan. The doctors can't see the
future any better than we can, but that is statistically
how it will likely go based on previous cases. So
another thing we've been doing has we been drawn on
the stories of others. We've been really, as we mentioned,
lean into our tribe. But we found that you have
to erect boundaries. You have to be really careful about
(23:12):
what stories you're asking for. It's like, we don't we
don't necessarily need any horror stories. It's not October yet,
We're right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's like when women it's like when women start telling
each other about you know, they tell first time moms
they're pregnant. Oh yeah, when I had my kid, I
did this, and you know, and then this happened, and
this happened and you two and a half months. Yeah,
So we've been very careful. I'm not I don't think
(23:40):
I'm just quite ready yet in my processing to hear
the full extent of other people's stories. I love to
hear that they made it through it, that's great. I'm
just not ready to hear the brutality of how they
made it through it, and I will get there. I'm
just not there quite yet. So I'm learning how to
(24:03):
just know when Okay, I'm ready for the next piece
of information. Now I'm ready to know what this is
going to look like and moving into that.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, we found that we have enough regular stress. We
didn't need to sign up for any extra credit stress.
There was no AP stress or college credit stress or
advanced stressed. Like no, no, no, I'm good. That's fine.
My plate is full. Now just scoot that over like no, no, no, no,
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So that's where we are. The story is unfolding. You know.
It is, as we mentioned in your life is a story,
and you are the narrator of that story. You get
to decide. You're not the author. You don't get to
add nothing but happy events, but you get to decide
how you tell the story about those events. And we
are finding ourselves with a very practical prack app way
(24:54):
to actually walk through that, and it's been helpful for us.
But it's also we've been assigned some home. I like
the theoretical I didn't necessarily like the crack app so much.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I don't know, I feel like we are in the
AP class though for.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Cancer, I mean we didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
We didn't get the lower level basic General ed class
on this one. We are We are definitely in the
AP class on this one.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And as a cool easter egg, we keep reminding ourselves
that we are an effective team.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We are an effective team. We may have to talk.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
About that, Tom Cruise oblivion, we.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Have to talk about that, just be on a future,
really great movie. Yeah, we do like that. So here's
some takeaways in the crisis is that you've been facing.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Have you been able to zoom out and find some meaning?
We know it's not easy, but have you been able
to do that in some fashion?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And have you been able to sit with your feelings
instead of suppressing them or running to self medicaid?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Are you processing those feelings?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's a very important part too. Remember it's two levels
to processing, the higher level and then the feeling level,
and then finally, what have you done to manage your expectation?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Cried a lot that count.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I mean it does, it does all right. Bracket tears
a little more of a sober episode, But I one
that's useful, I hope and valuable. We're gonna keep going
as much as as much as we can, and we
hope to have more more exciting things for you.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh, I'm sure it'll be exciting.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We'll have more exciting things, hopefully they'll be for you.
Oh man, all right, have a good I don't know, goodbye.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Full Mental Bracket podcast hosted by Brent Diggs. Logo by
Colby Osborne, music by Steven Acton.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Learn more at fullmantalbracket dot com.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
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