Golf Talk Live - Season 13 Episode 12 | May 29th, 2025 - Golf Talk Live

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(00:42):
Welcome to Golf Talk Live with your host.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Ted oto Rico.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Join Ted each week as he speaks with some of
the best in golf. This week's special guest will join
us a bit later. But first up is another great
discussion on Coach's Corner, So let's introduce tonight's coaches Corner Panel.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Good evening, everybody, and welcome to season thirteen a Golf
Talk Live. I'm your host, Ted oroto Rico. We've got
a great show for you this evening. Starting off this week,
of course, is another great discussion on Coach's Corner, and
he'll be joined by my good friend and partner in crime,
if you will. Here on the Coach's Corner panel, Clint Right,
and I'll tell you a little bit about him here
in just a moment, and a little bit later on,
I'm going to be also joined by another good friend

(01:27):
on the travel segment excuse me, of tonight, and that's
by of course, my co host and travel expert, Robert Kaufman,
and he's going to be joined by this evening special
travel guest Catherine Sanson, who is the founder of Sanson
pr and Marketing. And and then a little bit later on,
my featured guest of the evening is Clay Simpson and
he is with sky Golf, so he'll be joining me

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on the latter part of the show. So I'm really
excited about that they've got some new stuff coming out
on the market here pretty quick, and we're going to
talk about some of the technology behind what sky Golf does.
But really really excited about the show. And I'm going
to introduce my good friend here and we'll get started
in the conversation, assuming that my voice stays with us here.
As I mentioned that, Clint Right joining me here on

(02:10):
the Coach's Corner panel. He's a thirty plus year member
of the PGA and is a partner of the TGM
Golf and of course TGM is a big proponent of
the R three approach, which of course is designed to
help golfers of all levels become better players. He's also
considered by many of his peers to be certainly among
the best covering the short game and is of course

(02:30):
a favorite here on Coaches Corner. So, Clint, welcome to
the Coach's Corner panel here on Golf Talk Live.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
I'd be with you Ted looking forward.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
I appreciate it, and we're going to get right into
the discussion here. So obviously, I know one of the
things that we always talk a lot about on the show,
especially when I have you on, is I know you
really enjoy focusing on the short game. And I've got
a few different things here. We're going to talk about
things that we haven't really covered yet, you know, so

(02:58):
far on the show.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
But I think you'll like this conversation.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
So I put together and there's certainly more of them,
but these are just five ways that I think a
lot of golfers can help improve their short game.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
And the first one, I want you.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
To talk a little bit about because you know, often
and this really applies to not just the short game,
but really all the game, and it's about the grip.
You really kind of need softer hands, I think when
you're gripping the club, especially when you're chipping and that
sort of thing. And what I mean by that is,
you know, we often see a lot of players they've
got kind of a death grip, if you will, on
the golf club and when you're really hitting some of

(03:33):
those more finesse shots around the green, especially when you're
chipping in that, you've got to have a little bit
softer hands. So can maybe just unpack that a little
bit and explain exactly what we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Well, yeah, sure, and it's kind of all over the
map as far as what you see the icons of
the game. Nicholas had a soft grip. Palmer, on the
other hand, had a real strong grip on a putter
and chipping. Tom Watson was another one that had a
real firm grip. So it really kind of comes down
to personalities a little bit, and how you intend to

(04:06):
see the ball go in the hole, particularly for putting,
is that if you're more of a bang it in
the back of the hole, type aggressive putter, you're probably
going to need a little bit stronger grip pressure to
keep the putter head from out running your hands a
little bit, keep it a little bit warner control. On
the other hand, if you're a you know, a putter

(04:26):
like Nicholas it was a die putter to let the
ball fall into the hole a little bit more play,
a little more break, then you'd probably want to have
a little softer, a little more lighter grip pressure if
you're that style of putter. And so I think the
question you have to answer to begin with is what
style are you? How do you want to see the
ball go in the hole? And then that would dictate

(04:48):
kind of where you would fit in. But on the
other hand, if you're an aggressive putter, you don't want
to have a real you know, push all the blood
out of the tips of your finger grips. But on
the other hand, if you're let it fall in the hole,
you can't just let it flop around either. You have
to have a minimal control of the putter on one

(05:09):
end and make sure you don't have a maximum pressure
on the other end, if that makes sense to it. So,
I think the real question for grip pressure is you
have to decide who you are and then match that
grip pressure to how you tend to want to play
your putting stroke for the day. As far as chipping
and pitching the ball, I think it really kind of
comes down to somewhat of what shot you got. I know,

(05:32):
if I've got a little bit of a flop shot,
I want my hands to be real soft because I
want to be able to keep the club face open.
I don't want my hands to be real active in
squaring the club back up when I'm trying to hit
it straight up in the air. On the other hand,
if I'm hitting a little bump and run, you know,
I want to have some control of the club. So there,

(05:53):
I think the shot that you're required to hit will
dictate just what your grip pressure may be in that
particular case. I think grip pressure in which hand. You know,
if if I'm going to hit a flop shot, I
want all the grip pressure in my left hand and
keep my right side out of it, because that's that
tends of what will square the club back over and

(06:14):
take loft off of it when I'm trying to hit
it a little harder. If I'm hitting that bump and
run chip shot, I'm probably gonna have more equal pressure.
So there's there. The shot dictates that where I'm putting.
I think your personal style of dictated.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, And I think it goes to something that we
always talk about here in the Coach's Corner panel, and
that is really to get out there and practice these
different shots, because the only way you're really going to
understand that is to practice how you're going to prepare it.
And obviously there's certain things that certain commonalities are going
to see with a lot of players, but you raise
some really interesting points when you know, reference some of
the players, like you look at Nicholas who had relatively

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small hands compared to some other on tour, and you
get somebody like a normal palmer, and others who had
larger hands tend to have a little bit firmer grip
on it. So you know, again it does depend on
the individual, but there are certain scenarios, as you point out,
where maybe a little bit lighter touch or a softer
touch gripping the club might be required or necessary. And
we're going to talk about something you sort of let into,

(07:10):
but we're going to get into that a little bit later.
And that is really sort of the grip pressure of
that lead hand. In this case for right handed golfers,
we're talking about the left hand, and I want to
expand on that a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
But some great points.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
That you raise, and again, you know, you have to
get out there to really practice what you're doing, and
that's the only way you're going to really discover what
works best for you. So some great points that you raise.
The next one I want to get you to talk
about is allowing your body to rotate, especially whether it's
pisch shots or even some chip shots.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
A lot of people.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
You see this with a lot of golfers, especially our
high handicapped golfers, where they tend to get a lot
of upper body movement and going in the backswing, but
then when they come down through impact, their lower body
pretty much stays stationary.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
They're not really rotatdading through the shot.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
So give me your thoughts on that as well, because
that's when we see quite a bit with some of
very high handicappers.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Well sure, because they think they do everything in their
daily life with their hands and arms, so they think
that more and more control there. Again, this kind of
comes down in situations I think how far away you are,
you know, if I'm up just around the edge of
the grain, then those little chips and pitch shots are
gonna be played very similar to putter. I don't want
a lot of movement in my lower half with those shots,

(08:31):
you know, So I look at it. If they're out
there to where they've got to take the club, maybe
close to the waist high or somewhere between the knee
and waist high, they're going to have to let the
body move along with it. I don't feel like that
they should be dictating the upper body with the lower
half like we might with a full swing, But I
think it has to be relaxed and follow the upper

(08:53):
half so it kind of stays a little bit more
together versus having separation. You know, on our full swings,
try to create a little separation between the lower half
and the upper half to generate some lag and power.
But I think in the chipping and pitching where we
have plenty of power, you know, there's really a few
We have this discussion many times about there's only two

(09:14):
types of swings. There's the full swing and the putting stroke.
So which method do you need for this length and
when you can still hit a putter that far with
that upper half, then the lower half tends to want
to follow along. Once we get out to where we
need to full swing, then we want the upper half
to follow along. So I think you bring up a

(09:37):
valid point that you just have to go out and
try these situations because you can't repeat something you're not
aware of. You have to feel it and be able
to feel the body move along with the upper half
and the chip shots, and then you can maybe start determining, well,
I know what that feels like now, So now therefore

(09:58):
I'm aware of it, so I can repeat it when
it's need, you know, when it's called on. So I
like to see the idea that once it gets a
little bit higher than the knee high, the maybe waist high,
to feel like the body flows along in one piece.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
And then when I get out where I've got to
make it shoulder high, then I'm more back in the
lower half, uh, you know, dictating the path of the club.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
So in other words, if I, if I hear what
you're saying, is the bigger the backswing or the longer
the swing, the lower body is obviously going to be
more engaged whereas if it's a shorter shot, like it
just a little bump and run, then it's predominantly controlled
by the upper body and there's very little, if any
lower body that may be required. It's again sort of
following along, whereas with the full swing, the lower body

(10:44):
is more or less taking control and initiating it, and
the upper body is then becoming a movement as a
result of that transition. So, uh, who's I asked is
because a lot of people, I think get it backwards.
You know, there are a lot of people you know,
do that back there right right exactly, So you know,
I want people to really understand that because again there's

(11:05):
obviously going to be variations depending on the distance of
shots that you're going that needs to be played. But
I think people need to understand that there is going
to be in the short game certain situations, of course,
and some may not, where there is going to be
some body rotation required, because you know, too often we
see them sort of just stopping and you know, they're
taking the club back and they're just sort of sticking

(11:26):
in the ground because there's no real body movement or
rotation going through the shot. And you know, when you've
got maybe say a fifty yard pitch shot, you have
to have some body rotation, and a lot of people
you'd be surprised. I see them out the range, some
of these old guys out there, and they're just not
doing it.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
So the one thing I can add to that, if
I could interrupt sure, is I like the idea in
the pitch shots is we want to allow the lower
half to rotate, not required to. We want to allow
it to move with the upper half. Now on the
full swings is required. Yeah, So as long as they've
feel like they can allow the hips to rotate along

(12:02):
with the upper half swing, then that's really a very soft,
very controllable method of hitting the back of the ball.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Now, I don't you know, I don't really go for
recommending a specific player to NeSSI emulate. But if you
were going to show a player, whether it's off the
PG or the LPGA to a student and you want
them to see and understand what we're talking about right here,
who would be a player that you would say, I
want you to watch that. Here's the video of this

(12:32):
player here. Who's who I'd like to say that really
demonstrates what you're talking about?

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Well, I think there's most all of them. Yeah, there's
lost all of them. Because the one thing they don't
really show a lot of times is these type of
shots on television because they're a bit boring. They want
to show them long drive and the flop shots in
the long putts and stuff. So if you look at
they all play these shots very similar, so you know,

(12:59):
you could pick out anybody actually that's that's in the
that we see and we know their names that pitch
the ball very well because if you look at the
situation that they're all really good at it because they're
hitting what thirteen greens around something like that. Yeah, so
they've got five opportunities to give a birdie back and

(13:21):
out of those five, they may give them back one
per round, maybe two, you know, So they're they're pitching
the ball extremely well. So I would emulate any of them,
to be honest with it, because they're all it's almost
generic and how they play some of these shots.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, it makes you sick a little bit when you
want some of these players. You know, I used to
be mesmerized when I when I watched you know, Tiger
coming up not so much in the earlier years, but
as he really honed his game in and just the
fluidity of his golf swing. And this brings us to
the next point. You know, we've talked about tempo and
timing and things like that, and a lot of people

(13:58):
really find it differentficult to sort of find the right
tempo for them. So if you were going to talk
to somebody about tempo and obviously timing, what would that
conversation be like if you want them to really understand
and feel what their tempo is for them, Because everybody
is different, I understand, what would that conversation maybe entail.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
Well, you know, you have to have a conversation on
how you define tempo versus rhythm. In my opinion, there
are two different things. You can have really quick tempo
but very smooth rhythm, and we've seen that with the
Lanny Watkins or the Ben Crenshaws are totally different. Their
their tempo is one very quick and one's very slow,

(14:39):
but they all have the same rhythm to them. So
what I see the biggest trouble with is people try
to go back really slow and then all of a
sudden jump start their downswing, So their tempo is slow,
but their rhythm doesn't match right, you know, it comes
down so much faster and jerky than it did going back.
So my point is, I want you to whatever is

(15:02):
going to be, make sure it's in both directions. See,
how do I want to feel like that that I'm
getting a person to feel like that. They're not They're
they're not increasing the rhythm on the downswing, you know,
nor are they going to make it very slow or
real fast going back. It's again an experimental level to

(15:23):
being aware of what your tempo is. And once you
determine the tempo where it's going to be quick or
slow or or medium, whatever that tempo may be, then
you want to match your rhythm to it. Don't try
to go real slow going back and real fast coming
down or vice versa. Okay, it they have to match.

(15:43):
So that's where we have a conversation about tempo and
then how do we how what's the rhythm of that tempo?
You know, And so therefore we have to do a
little investigating and I actually try to get people to stick.
I want you to grip the club. Let's not have
a lot of ten in the upper half, and let's
just move our body through the space with no tension.

(16:06):
Maintain grip pressure. The way I try to get people
to feel it is I don't want the club going
back or coming down any faster than it did in
the opposite direction, right, So okay, maintain because you don't
have to increase the speed of the club coming down.
That's rhythm. You know, I want to take it back
and let it deliver. You know, the downswing is the

(16:29):
completion or the results of the backswing, right, So it's
to me it's a finishing movement versus the starting movement.
We have a lot of It was how you're going
to start your downswing? Well, I'm not so sure. We
start our downswing. I think we finished the backswing and
it goes the other way. And so feel that rhythm,
find the tempo, work from the slowest rhythm you can

(16:54):
of forcing the downswing, and find out where you fit in.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, it's really interesting approach to that because you know
what one thing that I noticed a lot is and
I think this is why that's such a challenge for people,
is you'll see, for instance, you know, back a number
of years ago, we started seeing a lot of players
shortening their backswing.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
And I'm talking about the tour players.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
You know they were taking it not you know, seeing
like a John Day obviously was excessive, you know, seeing
it even like Nicholas going right up to the top.
Now you're seeing them it's almost looks like a three
quarter swing, and then they're coming through with with their
rhythm or their tempo. And I think what what people
had difficulty with is what you're talking about is keeping
the same pace going you know, going back and coming through.

(17:40):
And I think because they were going and trying to
subconsciously trying to shorten that backswing, so they were being
very conscious about going back slow to get it to
that maybe that two third or three quarter position. And
now all of a sudden, because they're going through to
a full swing and coming up high and tight, they're
not able to balance that out. So I think, you
know what I remember watching Dave Pels, the late Dave

(18:02):
Pels always talked about when he was doing some of
his short game schools, and you always talk about how,
you know, he wanted people to take the club back
the same distance in the backswing as they did in
the follow through for some of these shorter shots. Obviously
full shots were different because he wanted them to feel
that that that sort of rhythm and then and get
their their tempo and timing down. But for for longer shots,

(18:23):
when you've got somebody that shortened that back swing quite
a bit, I think it's harder for people to understand
that you've got to come down with the same sort
of rhythm, if you will.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
As we went back, how.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
Do you It's almost how you have to explain to
how your body works, right, you know how the muscles work,
and so if you take it back very slow, then
I'm going to assume, as with little to the very
low tension in your upper hat, can you take it back?
And let's use this scenario. You just describe whether they
take it back kind of slow and all of a

(18:56):
sudden they want to jump started coming down right, Well,
that means the muscles are contracting, so therefore they're shorter. Okay,
with tension level, which in reality slows the club down,
clubhead speed will go down all right, the as tension
goes up. It's no different than you put in applying
the brake on your car when you when you create

(19:17):
that tension, it's going to slow your car down. So
if you get up to the top and very relaxed
and you try to jump started or what we called
jump at it, you know kind of idea. Your muscles
are contracting your using tension. So I always try to
explain people don't confused effort with tension. They're two different things.
Because the more tension you have, the less affect your

(19:39):
effort's going to have. So we want to keep the
tension level very low from the downswing starting, and so
that again helps them feel like, okay, I want to
stay loose and relaxed, which may keep them from you know,
igniting their muscles to try to jerk it back down.
So as long as I can keep my muscles from
increasing tens on the downswing or trying to create that

(20:03):
off of that shorter backswing, then I'm gonna stay relaxed
with some rhythm to it. And so therefore I try
to get them to focus. And we've talked about this
many times about not changing the tension level in your
right hand and putty. It works the same way. If
I don't allow the tension level to increase, that means
my muscles in my arms and shoulders are not contracting.

(20:27):
So therefore I'm going to get a more clubhead speed
because there's nothing blocking it and most likely it's going
to come down on the same path that went back
on because it only knows the direction that came from.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Right well said, you know, it's it's just always interesting.
You know, I'm a visual person, so I always watch,
you know, people out in the range, and it's just
amazing when you know here listening to you, you know,
explain things, and I'm thinking to myself at the same time,
I'm visualizing people I've seen in the rain, you know,
maybe over the last little while, and I'm applying everything

(21:03):
you're saying to what I you know, what I visually saw.
It's kind of sometimes it's a little frustrating, but you know, nevertheless,
you know, there's so much truth in what you speak,
and obviously that comes from your your years of experience
doing what you do. And and I think that for
a lot of people, I think they they overthink the process.
Would you agree with that? They think they yeah, but

(21:27):
you know, they they get too much going on up
in their head and they're thinking about all these things.
And a lot of times if you just sort of
you know, I hate to use this analogy, but sort
of water it down and just simplify the process. A
little bit more because your your body does naturally move
in certain ways. Obviously, if you don't have if you
if you've got some physical uh you know, pediments things

(21:47):
like that or injuries you know, that could detract from
some of it. But essentially, your body moves in a
certain way, and if you start to go against the
natural flow of.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Your body, then it's very.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Easy to let these some of these issues creep in
that we often see out in the practice tea, you know,
where they're forcing the shot or they're uh, you know,
in that transition. You know, they're they've taken a nice
backswing and all of a sudden they're you know, jumping
under their their shoes, and a lot of it's because
they're trying to compensate or make up for, you know, uh,

(22:20):
something else that that is not quite right there.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, you're right too. I think what we run into,
and I'm kind of personally dealing with some of this now,
is that there's some competing theories going on.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
You know.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Well, at my age, I was taught be an upper
half swinger, take it back, lay it up, and you're
gonna you know, separate the downswing and and the you're
gonna release the club with the upper half. All right, Well,
as we get older, we we can't separate like that anymore.
And but now if you look at the younger players,

(22:56):
their body releasers, they use the lower half and let
the upper half just fly through because they're playing and
swinging on their body lines. What you just said how
their body works. So that's why they're hitting it so far,
is that there's no tension in their upper half. They
get it turned all the way back as far as

(23:16):
they can.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
You know, the old rule of thumb is forty five
hips ninety shoulders. But they're not bringing it back down
with their shoulders. They're turning their they're turning their left
hip out of the way and it's just flying through there.
So when you get these kind of competing theories, you know,
between where you're going to be an upper half releaser
or body releaser, then you have to understand the positioning

(23:42):
and the body lines that accommodate either one of those methods.
And I would encourage anybody right now that's either starting
to play the game or you know, played it for
a long time, is take a look at the positioning
that some of the younger players have is particularly on
the initial portion of their and it's dramatically different than

(24:02):
what we were taught. Yeah, dramatically different. So if you're
going to try to take the tension out of the
upper half, you have to start paying attention to how
you get it ready to do that. And there are
like you said, you see them on the rains. I
see them too. There's a lot of competing theories. They
watch what they see on television, Yeah, they try to
emulate it what what they see on you know, YouTube videos,

(24:25):
and that the young teachers are teaching us more of
a body released and they're trying to incorporate that into
what they were taught forty years ago. And to be
honest with you, I've experienced it don't work. I mean,
it gets really bad. You know. They just have to
break out one way or the other, you know, well,
and it.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Brings you know to this thought, if you will is
and again obviously with uh, with with every.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Age of player.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
You know, as we get older, you know, Clint, where
our bodies are not going to work the same as
they did when we were our twenties. And I'm like you,
I'm sort of you know a little bit more the
traditional golf swing that that we were taught years ago.
And you know, I've tried some of the more modern approaches,
and you know, I can. I'm still pretty lucky. I've
still got a pretty decent flexibility, so I can. I

(25:14):
can handle some bit. But I sit and wonder to
myself when some of these young guys as they age,
because of the changes that they're doing now with the
golf swing, are they going to be able to do
that when they're fifty sixty years old because their bodies
are not going to be able to handle the level
of pressure that they're I mean, you watch some of

(25:35):
these young guys and they they're in great shape, don't
get me wrong, but because they're not dealing it with
it the same way as we did, I just wonder
how is it going to affect them when they get
you know, when they start getting up to the Champions Tour,
you know that sort of you know plan.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I think their back is going to hold up better,
but I don't know, I don't know if their hips
and nays will.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's yeah, that's what I'm going.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yeah, that's right. You know, if you look at you know,
you don't want to just pick on him all the time.
But but Tiger with the with the knee problems, I
think come out of that that he was just so
strong and fast. Is it popping that left leg like
that it blew his knee out? You know, So I
think you have a valid point. But on the other hand,
you know, the Sam Snead's and guys played forever too.

(26:24):
You know, they they took care of themselves somewhat. And
but but I I guess the jerial's still out. I mean,
they're still in their thirties and early forties, so we'll
have to wait a few years to see just how
it works out well.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
And you know, you look at like somebody like a
Bryson Deshamba, I mean, I mean, this guy's just generating
incredible power, and you know, again it's being done differently
than what it was thirty forty years ago. I mean,
you know, obviously there were some big hitters back in
the day, but again, the way their body was, I mean,
you look at somebody like a Johnny Miller. How you know,
he had that big reverse heat and you know, I'm

(26:59):
sure he paid for it physically as time went on,
they did, so it had its issues too, But it's
gonna be interesting to see, you know, twenty years down
the road. The guys are hot right now on the tour,
how are they going to be Are they gonna have
to adjust their swing somewhat? Are they still gonna be
able to swing it in the same math, Maybe not
as with as much force, but are they still going
to be able to do the swings that they're doing

(27:19):
today twenty thirty years from now if they're still playing
a man, I think.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
They're already recognized that somewhat. If you watch what they
do with their left foot, they let it turn out, yeah,
you know, instead of trying to turn across it to back.
So I think they're recognizing the fact that, maybe even now,
some of those movements are creating some issues for them.
So they're taking some of that pressure off of their
left knee while by getting on their left heel and

(27:44):
the toa spinning out. Yeah, we were taught that that
was death. You know. We didn't everyone want to do that,
but with the generation and the speed they're going there,
that's part of the thing they have to do to
protect their body and be able to play longer. I
think they're recognizing it now. Because you start to see
some changes. They're all turning that left foot out.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah, and you're also seeing them too, especially with their
irons more so, but you're seeing them more as opposed
center weighted, meaning that you know, more evenly balanced between
the feet. You're seeing them almost not leaning, but with
more weight on that lead foot. So they're almost like
when they're going in their backswing. You know, they're not
really I mean, they certainly are shifting weight, but not

(28:26):
the same as.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
What we did where they're more back.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
It's it's still sort of a more centered over the
ball and that that low point is actually in front
of the ball, so they're not really having to shift
a lot of weight forward.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
They're already over forward.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
On their over there.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
So I mean, and that's what you're seeing, Uh. You
know a lot of the more modern golfers doing. And
you know what some of them are. I mean, like
I said, they're they're incredible when you watch them. But
it'll just be interesting to see how that holds up
in time. But hopefully you now still be around.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
And right.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
This one here, Clint is something that we really don't
talk about very much, but I think it's a good
one to bring up, and that is the bounce of
a club, you know, particularly with our wedges, and that
you see a lot of golfers I see and especially
with their wedges, you know, they're digging that leading edge
in all the time. They're not really utilizing the bounce
very much. How do we take advantage of the bounce

(29:21):
of a club? Help players walk through that a little bit,
because that's something we see a lot.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Well, the main the manufacturers of wedges. You know, we
can bring up all the names, but it's not they're I'll,
you know, do some of the same stuff. But I
think that the player needs to allow the club to
sit the way the manufacturer tended it to sit. Okay,
I see a lot of people that go out there
that got this really extreme shaft lean, you know, and

(29:48):
the more you lean that shaft the less the less
bounce that you're going to have is taking it off
of it, you know, and they also you see a
lot of it. I want to utilize the bounce of
set the club the way the manufacturers intended it, with
a slight with a slight shaft liing. But if I
really want to take advantage of the of the bounce,

(30:10):
I'm going to have to roll that club open a
little bit. Yeah, get the get the face lines leaning
towards your left foot or your lead foot if you're
you know, uh, most right hand players obviously be their
left would get it leaning towards that the angle towards it,
So therefore you you're not taking any bounce off of
the club right And I think the comment you've made

(30:31):
is that people take bounce off of the club by
shaft leaning it. Get it shut down a little closed.
Make sure that you have minimal you know, kind of shaftling,
but most importantly, make sure that the face lines are
not running towards your trail foot. Make sure, if anything,
they're they're lining up towards your lead foot. And this

(30:54):
is another point of discussion. I think as far as
you're doing some experimenting, and all the main manufacturers a
day do great ideas for fitting and demo days, get
out there and take advantage of those things. Okay, you know,
I work for an you know, an international company doing
those and sometimes I have a lot of people show
up and sometimes nobody, So take advantage of them. The

(31:16):
fitter are there for you, not the other way around,
and so take advantage because all the manufacturers have some
different ideas on where the bounce should be on the
solo of the club. Some have a little further back,
some have a little bit more forward. So what you
have to find is, if you want to have that

(31:36):
little more aggressive chaff ling, you need to look at
a club manufacturer that puts the bounce a little more
towards the front of the club, yep, versus the back
of it. You know. And they're out there, I mean,
they all have different theories and the amount of bounce,
all of them. Now. You know, back in the day,
you'd get you'd get a ten degree bounced sandwidge, maybe twelve,

(31:57):
but mostly ten, and then we would take it into
the machine shop and have them grind how we wanted it.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, exactly, all right.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
We don't do that anymore because most of the manufacturers
now have custom grind wedges, so you can you can
get a little bit of the tour ideas at your
local golf shop or where you buy them from. So
most importantly, set the club the way the manufacturer intended it.
Like I said, if you're the type of person likes

(32:26):
a little have more shaftleing, make sure that you're dealing
with a manufacturer that sets that bounce a little more forward.
If not, you know, let it sit a little bit back.
But most importantly, if you're trying to let the bounce
work for you, you don't want the club leaned heavily left
or shaftleing, and you don't want to have the club

(32:46):
closed or even square. Most likely, just make sure that
the facelines a run a little bit more towards you
lead foot, and therefore the bounce will stay on the
club and you can utilize it.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah, well said, you know, that's just something I think,
and you're right with with you know, I keep saying this,
but back in the day, uh, you know, our options,
our options were a little more limited than what they
are today. But you're right, there's so many manufacturers and
there's some that just specialize in the short clubs, especially
the wedges and that that are very very proficient. There's

(33:18):
I mean, there's so many clubs out there now. And
it's not just the big guys, you know, the sort
of the top four or five. There's a lot of
other companies that are coming out to specialize and just
what you're talking about. And you know, when down at
the PGA show. I mean, you see them, uh and
and everybody's got a different theory as to what you
know what to do and what type of shot you

(33:39):
want to hit, and you know you need a little
more bounce or a little less bounce or what have you.
So yeah, I mean, and the customization now, I think
is so much easier. You know, back again, back at
that time, you know, you had to be somebody who
really knew how to to make those changes to the clubs.
I mean, I remember when they used to put lead tape,
you know. You know, clubs they'll do that. You know,

(34:03):
a lot of guys still do that, but there's a
lot of guys now, you know, now they can they
can customize pretty much anything you want, so you know,
you don't have to do that. I mean, obviously some
of the more traditional players like to do that, and
some of the pros still like to do that in
their own equipment. But you know, there's so much flexibility
now out there in design and what they can do
right from the get go. So that's why it's so

(34:26):
important I think for particularly new golfers to make sure
that once they make that commitment that they're going to
play that they I really want to play.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Whether it doesn't have to be at the highest level.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Is it's so important to be fitted properly because you
can get a lot of things that and I mean
you don't you don't have to be perfectly fit, but
you you know, sometimes just buying off the rack too.
I mean that might be a start, but at some
point you have to take a look at that.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I think, I mean, that might be wrong. What do
you think?

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Well, you know, the fitting and the work that I
do the wedges, you know, they kind of know who
we are. They manufactor that they're designers and stuff kind
of know people. They try to tailor to a certain way.
You know. Now I've got seven custom ground wedges that
I can show people. And to be honest with you,

(35:17):
there are some differences in how people operate. It also
comes down to where you're gonna use the club from.
Are you gonna pitch with it? It's a bunker play
whatever it is. So and on top of that, not
to be overly complaining for it to point out, but
these these clubs are expensive today. So it's not like
you're going to go in and buy one altar rack
for forty nine dollars anymore. I mean, you're spending some

(35:39):
money for these wedges, and it's important that you spend
your money wisely, obviously, and get value out of what
you're spending. So you now can go to and all
the manufacturers are doing it. I mean, I go around.
You can test them out before you buy them, you know,
and have somebody there with with the track mans and
the flights. Go and you can tell you what the

(36:01):
spend rates are. Those things are available to you, uh
if you show up and most of the time you
can sign up online and get your appointment and and uh,
the fitters are there for that. That's what what we
do and and or what they do. You know. I'm
kind of having fun doing it. But we're helping people

(36:21):
out too, because you want them to have a club.
I get emails on occasion and tech man, the clubs
are great, thank you, you know. But we spent an
hour time trying to figure it out. We've and it
really comes down to eliminating what won't work. Okay, figure
out that, hey that that extra stuff one point fifteen.

(36:44):
You know, dynamic gold shafts just don't fit a seventy
year old man anymore. You know that one's out there.
You know, it's off the it's off the list, and
so you can narrow things down a little bit, and
particularly with the wedges, So like I've got a wedge
of my set of wedge samples that start at forty

(37:04):
six degrees and go to sixty four degrees. Yeah, you
can find one. I'll promise you you can find one.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Well, and that's I mean, there's there's such a variety
out there now, and it just takes a little bit
of effort on the golfer's part to quot there and
and have a conversation and you know, I mean, you know,
sit down with your pro and talk about what it
is that you're really looking to do and and and
the type of game that you want to play, and
you know, don't worry so much about what they're doing

(37:32):
on TV. You know, play your own game. And I
think once you do that, it makes the choice a
little bit easier.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Final to add and add this to that, they're good
enough to find out. Oh yeah, A lot a lot
of people don't think that they're good enough that it matters,
but they are good enough to find out what gives
you If you're not that good you need to take
advantage of everything you can. Yeah, right, So good equipment
is going to help you. You know, a good player
can kind of play with a little bit with anything,

(37:58):
but so take advantage of it. It's they're available to you.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Yeah, and that's I mean, with so many options there,
I mean, there's no excuses anymore. You can put the
right club in your hand, but it takes a little
bit of work, just like practice, It takes some effort
on your part. Last question, you touched on this I
mentioned a little while back and about really that sort
of lead arm and obviously the hand as well. There's
some shots where you know, maybe you want to feel
like you're pulling through with that lead hand and that

(38:24):
lead arm a little bit, and others where maybe you
want to have more of the right hand engage. You
talked about that a little while ago, on certain shots
where maybe you don't want to have the right hand
as engaged.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Can you expand on that a little bit more? Do
you know what I'm talking?

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Okay, Yeah, absolutely, Well, I'm not so sure I want
to ever get a feeling of the left side or
my lead side pulling the club through. I'd prefer to
not engage the trail hand. So if I don't engage
the right hand for right hand players, for simplist here
in my right hand, then the left side is going

(39:01):
to lead. It's not to be overly simplistic. It's in
the front. It's got to lead. What I don't want
to have is the right of my trail hand engaging
so hard that the club head outruns my lead arm. Right, Okay,
So as long as I can get the feeling of
the club head staying behind my lead arm. If you

(39:24):
are a person feels that that's more of a pulling action, wonderful,
It's fine. I don't feel that personally. I don't teach
it so much, okay, but if you feel the lead
arm pulling a little more, then obviously that may be
helpful for you not to engage the trail hand. You know. Me,
We've talked a lot about tension level already, and so

(39:44):
I want to control the tension level in my trail hand.
And but that's when you know, if I'm hitting a
soft flop shot, that's going to be really loose my
right hand. So maybe you do get a feeling of
the left hand pulling through more on those shots. I
can't argue that if I'm hitting just a straight chip
and pitched I want to have my normal full swing,

(40:07):
grip pressure. I want to be balanced, and I want
my arms and hands in the club head to work together,
not necessarily separate one way or the other. Okay, So
I lean back towards the you know, the as we
know the capital letter why with the club and my
arms and a triangle, I want to keep that triangle together.
And so therefore whatever I feel helps me do that,

(40:29):
whether it's a pull with the left hand or not
engaged with the right hand. That's the objective is to
keep that why moving, you know, that triangle moving through impact,
and so we all have different approaches and different ways
of doing that. So if you look at the objective
is to keep the arm triangle moving through you know,
all the way through past the lead arm and the

(40:51):
lead leg. If you can envision this, If I got
a triangle, I want to point on the backswing of
the triangle to be going behind me. And when I've done,
I want the point of that triangle going in front
of me. And so if I can do that, what
I feel in my hands is kind of an individual thing,
but personally, I think it's more of not engaging the

(41:12):
trail hand and let it lead through.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, great, great, great points. And you know, again it's
just really to help people to understand. And again I
like to go back to this, and that is I
think the more that you get out and really practice
your game and don't just you know, as we talk
about and joke about so much here on the show,
it's just sort of stand there and rake and hit balls.

(41:37):
I mean, you have to put a little purpose in
your practice and if you want to have a better
feel in your short game, then I think you have
to work on these things. And and again, you know,
there's a lot of different drills out there that people
can do. Some people, you know, like to get lined
up and maybe like to close their eyes and just
take a few practice wings and just sort of see

(41:57):
how that feels before they actually get up and hit
the shot. And there's a lot of different things. Some
people maybe like to take one hand off and just
use the one hand, uh, whether it be the lead
or the trail, just to kind of again feel the
club head.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
And it's really what it's about.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
It's the club and the club head particularly that's really
doing the work and you're kind of going along from
the ride, so you know, I think it's just a
matter of getting that feel down that works for you.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
But obviously there's some.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Some certain things that do have to be in place,
and I think that's where your pro can come in
and guide you as best you can. But it's really
again it comes down to each individual and and what
works best for you. And like I said, some people
maybe get a little bit too aggressive with their with
their trail hand and uh and end up putting too

(42:42):
much pressure on and and you know, myriad of things
can happen. So but some great points and I think,
as always you enjoy uh listening to what I what
I consider one of the best, and I always you
know as we well, yeah, now you do. And it's
just interesting perspective because I think you know, you're right,

(43:02):
there's today's game is much different than than what we
grew up seeing in that and it's interesting to watch
and interesting to learn. But I think there's certain core
things that still sort of remain the same. It doesn't
matter what what demographic you're in, but I think it's
always good to pay attention and to listen to people
that have been doing this for a long time, and

(43:23):
then take it out and apply it in your own
game and see how it.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Works for you. But Clint, you always do a great job.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
I always enjoy having you on the on the coach's corner.
And if the folks want to reach out to you,
and here's some more pearls of wisdom, what's the best
way to do.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
He's this way that We'll leave me with the last
one that we talked earlier. So far. You can't repeat
something you're not aware of. You become aware of things
by practicing what you want to be aware of. If
that sounds like it's in a circle, but it really is.
You have to go with a purpose, find out what
to be aware of. If they want to talk more
about the thing, always email me at Clint Gafzi or
zero one at yahoo dot com. Be more happy to

(44:03):
correspond back and forth with people if they like to
do that. And it's been this is fun. I've always
enjoyed doing it. We'll look forward to doing it some more.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, and I know you're gonna be doing some fittings
and things working with your manufacturer in your area that
you do so much great stuff, and you got to
let me know if you guys are going to venture
my way or somewhere that I can get together together.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Oh we will, don't worry. I'm gonna be well, I'll
touch space with you. But I'm gonna be doing a
little traveling down that way here shortly, so we'll we'll
get up.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
It sounds good, all right. Stick with me for a second, Clint.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
I'm gonna take a quick commercial break, and when i return,
I'm gonna be joined by this evening's travel guests, so
I'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (46:10):
Welcome back, everybody, and I'm excited now we're going to
be starting our travel segment this evening, joined once again
by my good friend, co host and travel expert Robert Kaufman.
Let me tell you very quickly about him, and I'll
introduce our special travel guest of the evening as well,
and then I'll let Robert take over and get the
discussion going. Robert, of course, is an award winning photographer,

(46:30):
golf and travel writer, golf media consultant. He's worked with
a number of great publications such as Trouon Golf and
Travel magazine, PJA Magazine, of course, Golf Tips Magazine, along
with a host of others, and if you want to
see more of his great work, you can visit his
website Pitcherparfect dot com. Our special travel guest tonight is
Catherine Sanson as she is the founder excuse me of

(46:51):
Sanson pr and Marketing. She moved to Lake Almanor, which
is full time, in twenty nineteen, and has been coming
to the lake since she was a child and as
a founder, of course, as of her PR and marketing firm,
she is also the marketing director of Plumous County Tourism,
promoting the unique county in northern California, nestled at the

(47:12):
base of Layson Volcanic National Park. So Robert and Catherine welcome.
I hope I got everything correct, and welcome to the
travel segment here in Golf Talk Live.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (47:24):
Great to have you, Catherine. That's quite the intro.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Huh, Well, listen, Robert, I'm gonna I'm gonna hide myself
for a few minutes. I'm gonna let you take over.
I know you've got some questions and the discussion. Then
you just prompt me to come back in.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Okay, Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Thanks Ed.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
All right.

Speaker 8 (47:37):
Well, Hi Agoing Catherine.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, so seeing you again.

Speaker 8 (47:41):
Good to see you. It's been a while, so I'm
looking forward to coming up your way, you know, in
the couple of weeks. I'm yeah, looking forward to your insights.
It's been a while for me, and I mean I
just I love that area up there, you know, once
you get away from the maddening crowds.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's a very special place and a lot
of people don't know about it. And after the Dixie Fire,
a lot of people thought that we were burned to
the ground, but we're back. It's just as beautiful as ever.
It's just a wonderful place to visit if you, as
you said, want to get away from the crowd you
want to have a lot of outdoor adventure and relaxation.

(48:21):
It's it's an ideal place to visit.

Speaker 8 (48:24):
Well for myself, you know, having lived in California my
entire life, I have a pretty good sense where you are, obviously,
but let's explain to our audience where Plumas County is.
You know, it's location and and.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Okay, so depending on where you're coming from the Bay Area,
you're if you're coming down on five, we're east of that.
It would be like going up towards Reno. And so
we're way way up, nestled up in the mountains where
about five thousand elevation And like I said, we're at

(49:04):
the base of Mount Lasson, which is one of the
most active volcanic parks that still is active. And it's
a park, so we're off the beaten path. But you know,
if you're on coming down from where you are, if
you're on five, you cross over and you sort of
go through a little tiny quirky towns to get up there.

(49:25):
It's not a hard drive from the Bay area, and
that's where I came up from. So it's a good
weekend getaway for people who are, you know, four or
five hours away. And we do have an airport in
the little town of Chester, so we do have lots
and lots of visitors that do fly in from other
areas because of the airport.

Speaker 8 (49:45):
Yeah, you know, I'd love to. When you communicated the
other day, you know, how safe the area is.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:53):
Down here, we don't even think about not locking a
door or shutting the car door or whatever it might be.
But yeah, up there, it's like you're open to neighbors
and come on, buy and grab a cup of sugar.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's very much that way. I think. I
think there are some new things about it. Is that
if you go into a store, people want to sell
their merchandise, obviously, but you become people's friends. They want
to know where you're visiting, how you came up here,
and so you walk away making a new friend. And
if you go to the grocery store up here, I

(50:29):
mean that's our social hour. I can be in the
grocery store for two hours and I'm in there for
four items. Because we are a great, great community, and
the entire county only has nineteen thousand people, so we
have these little tiny towns you know of two thousand,
eight hundred, you know a thousand and so they have

(50:52):
their own personalities, but everybody seems to work well and
get along together and do right by our county. So
it is unique.

Speaker 8 (51:01):
Yeah. Well, since we are here for golf, I mean
this to me, it's one of those ideal regions anywhere.
You know, it's got quality golf up there, a lot
of it. You know, what, do you have eight nine courses.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Up there that we have We have nine courses.

Speaker 8 (51:21):
All accessible to public.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yes, yes. And I think one of the things that's
nice as as a golfer, and I use that in quotes,
it's it's nice that there is a variety of types
of golf courses that people can play and that you
don't get so frustrated if something is so hard. When

(51:44):
I was down in the Bay Area, I played some
courses and I thought, oh my gosh, give me off
this thing. It wasn't even enjoyable, it was so hard.
And here we have several that there are nine hole
golf courses and what you do is you play it
twice from different holes. I think I sent you the
list there. Pricing is very, very reasonable, and one of

(52:07):
the best things is you don't have to wait. I've
never waited to get on at one of our horses
up here, which is nice.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (52:16):
I tried calling for a tea time down here, and
I'm in the business for a tea time this week
and they couldn't accommodate it.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
Down here. So yeah, that's a nice little perk to
have up there when you want to play golf. Yeah,
but it's not just golf. You got four seasons worth
of outdoor recreation.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yes, yes, we do.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
We talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, so we do. We like to promote that it
is four seasons. So we do have snow. Our snow
starts sort of late in the season, more December through
March and April, so it's a little bit late. So
our falls are notoriously beautiful up here. We're known for
our color changes, so if you're a bite or a hiker,

(53:01):
or when you get out on a kayak, the colors
are just amazing. So we really like to have people
come up in the fall. In the winter, you know,
we do have some skiing, We have snowmobiling, you know,
if you want to go cross country skiing, I mean,
we have all of that, but it's not a terribly
long season. Then we go into spring. We're known for

(53:23):
our world class fishing, so we brag that we have
over one hundred lakes and over one thousand miles of streams,
creeks and rivers. So if you're an angler fly fishing,
getting out on a boat whatever. We have it all
and then the summer, if you like me, I just

(53:45):
like to get out on the water and paddleboard and
kayak and canoe. We have all those different types of lakes,
and we have some lakes that are really conducive if
you like to powerboat or jet skis, and then we
have others that are really more conducive. You do want
to get on a paddleboard and kayak and or just
sit on the beach and read a book. I've done that,

(54:08):
sure you have. Yeah, so you.

Speaker 8 (54:12):
Know, you're what about an hour drive time from Tahoe about.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
An hour and a half. Yeah, you know, it's it's
it's two hours from Reno and that that's a very
very easy drive, and then about an hour and a
half from you know, Tahoe, and then like I said,
about five hours from the Bay area. So it's we're
not too too.

Speaker 8 (54:39):
Remote, no, but you're remote enough. And it's great because
you know, it's it's such a you know a difference
from being in that other other area.

Speaker 9 (54:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, like you can be out hiking and you may
not run into anybody. And we like to say that
we have more wildlife than we have people if you
want to join, you know, the ultra hikers. You know,
we're right on the we're the halfway point for the
Pacific Coast Trail, and we have elite hikers from from

(55:12):
all over the world and Chester is sort of the
halfway point. So they come in and pick up their
mail and we see them all over town and they
always have a story to tell. So if you're a hiker,
it's sort of fun to join them for a day.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:27):
What's the the lodging like up there? I mean you've
got a lot, like you said earlier, you know, a
lot of quirkiness and interesting historical homes up there.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, so we have everything from you know lodges. Saint
Bernard Lodge is a very traditional lodge, has a lot
of character to it has a great bar. You can
sit out and look at the mountain, and it's very
close to Mount Lasson to We have the best Western
We have the Antlers, which is a very locally owned

(55:59):
and operated hotel. We have Timber Lodge, which has some
history behind it. That bar and restaurant and hotel was
closed in the early sixties and a young couple used
to come up here and in fact, the timber Lodge
was one of their places for their first date and

(56:20):
they had the opportunity of buying it, so they've restored it.
They only have nine rooms, but every room has a
theme in either a Western or romance a chalet, so
it's very very fun. We have a couple of bed
and breakfast places that are very very traditional. If you're camping,

(56:43):
great camping. We have glamping and all these places are
conducive if you're a family traveling. We all have things,
you know, for children. So it's an area that like
I said, I started coming up as a little girl,
So it's very family oriented. Not a lot of late
night partying.

Speaker 8 (57:04):
Bottom line is is something for everybody. If you can't
find it up there don't even bother going.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, exactly. We liked the priors and you know, and
like I said, I don't know anybody it comes away
and they're just always so amazed that there's really a
place you can go and see stars because you know,
we don't have street lights up here, Yes, no street lights,
no lights on the road, and so you can really
enjoy the beautiful, beautiful skies. It's amazing. It's amazing. Well,

(57:33):
that's awesome.

Speaker 8 (57:35):
I can't wait to get there.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, well, we're looking forward to having you, so we
hope you'll enjoy your different rounds of golf. There are
two very very different golf courses. I don't know if
you've played the one that you're going to on Sunday.

Speaker 8 (57:50):
Bailey Creek. You know, it's been a long long time.
I have no idea, Okay, no remembrance of it. Same
with the Dragon, you know, because I know they're very
very different types of courses.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
They are very very different. Yeah, so we we hope
it's two good experiences for you.

Speaker 8 (58:11):
Yeah, well, thank you, Ted. You want to jump in
here and ask anything.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Yeah, well, welcome, welcome me back to the show. Thank you.
Robert has always do a great job. So Catherine, let
me ask.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
It sounds to me from from what I was listening
to backstage, is that this is a much more unique
experience for for travelers because there are a lot of
things to do, but if they want sort of a
more of a an away place and not sort of
in the heat of a big metropolis like you know,
like some of your big resorts. Typically, this is more

(58:43):
of I guess what I would classify is off the
beaten path.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Is that do I understand that correctly.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's very much so off the beaten path. And we'd
like to say that, you know, there's a lot of
places that have mountains and streams and everything, but it's
our community are people. You know, some of our waterfalls.
I took a hike a couple of weeks ago. Some
of the waterfalls are They're just amazing. And so it is,

(59:11):
it is different, and I think part of it is
people that the people who live here, and also that
it's not crowded. I mean, you just that that is
a luxury in itself. From up from the Bay Area particularly.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
It's very hard to imagine.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yeah, and that's what I was getting you know, That's
what I was getting at, because you know, I mean,
it's nice to go to some of the other facilities
not but sometimes you just want something a different experience,
a little bit more unique and and and sometimes you
don't want the hustle and bustle of a big resort
where where you know, there's just so many activities going
on and you're you know, in long lines for things

(59:49):
like that, and sometimes you just want a little more
quiet and you want, I like, the diversity of what
you have to offer there the different seasons and that
sort of thing as well. So there's different activities and
again very family oriented. Which is is there a website
or something that people can go that they can get
more information if they want to investigate for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, it's Plumouth County dot org. And they can check out,
you know, the variety of things to do and activities,
horseback ridings, eat shooting, you know, anglers love it up here.
Bird watching is another one that people love to do
to get out on the lakes and everything. So they

(01:00:26):
can check out and see the variety of restaurants. We
have some great breweries that are mom and pop breweries.
If you're a beer drinker, you.

Speaker 9 (01:00:40):
We're all the same team.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
I'm sold. I don't care about the fish and I
don't care about that. Well, yeah, I'll even forego the golf.
But yeah, you throw a nice, nice beer in my
way and I'm good to go.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
If they wanted to reach out to you as well,
can they contact you directly as a way to do
that if they want to inquire and get more information.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, they can, absolutely. It's you can reach out to
me at Catherine at sansonyplus dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
All right, Well, if you guys want to hang tight
for just a second, I'm going to take another quick
commercial break and I'm going to get ready to join
this evening's featured guests.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Uh here in just a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
But i want to thank Katherine and Robert of course
as always, for doing a great job on our travel
segment tonight, and I'm really looking forward to learning more
about So I'm going to go on the website and
you might be seeing me sooner than you think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
So well, there you again. Just give me a call.
We'll show you a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Thank you, thank you, thank you very very much, and
we'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Wow, welcome back everybody to Golf Talk Live again. I'm
your host, and I'm really excited to have this gentleman

(01:03:01):
joining me tonight. We actually had the pleasure of meeting
a couple of years ago at the PGA Merchandising show
Down in Orlando. Of course, I'm talking about Clay Simpson.
He is the logistics and operations manager at Skyhawk Technologies,
which is the parent company of sky Golf, and Clay
has well with over sixteen years at sky Golf. He's
also an avid golfer himself. His passion for the game

(01:03:24):
shines through every product demo and en course showcase.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
He leads.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
His knowledge of GPS technology as an air weapons director
in the United States Air Force, along with his love
for the game make him the perfect fit for sky Golf.
So Clay, welcome to the show and good to see it.

Speaker 9 (01:03:42):
Yes, that's pretty awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Well, also, thank you, you know, for all that you
do and we get to see some great technology coming
out of your neck of the woods. And you're the
guy and I got to share this really interesting story.
I was telling not on camera, of course, but I'm
going to share it anyways. Now, two years ago when
we met, I was sharing the story how I had

(01:04:06):
this nifty little technology myself of this little four K
camera that I brought and was on a gimbal and
I remember I had you go through some of the
products that I don't know if you recall, but that
you guys had at the booth, and I realized after
that somehow I mistakenly had shut it off and that
whole segment when you went through all the components of

(01:04:29):
sky Golf and all the great technology and didn't get
The only thing I remember getting was I did a
quick pan round of the booth and catching some of
the other folks that were hanging around, and you and
I were talking in the background. So I didn't make
it this year, But next year, I'm going to be there,
and I know you'll be there, so I'm going to
get you to go through all that again if you
don't mind. And I promised to make sure that I've
got the on switch and get it all on film so.

Speaker 9 (01:04:51):
We can definitely go through it all again.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I know you enjoy doing that, But I thought
to myself when I got back and I started looking
at all the clips because I shot a lot at
the show, and that was the one I really wanted
because you guys had so many wonderful products and you
took a lot of time with me to go through that,
and I thought, I can't believe I was so stupid
and didn't have that thing working right. So I should
have probably had you operate it and uh, and just
shine it on yourself and just do a selfie if

(01:05:15):
you will. But but I want to thank you for
for coming on and joining me tonight on the show.
So then, yeah, so we were you always fascinated with technology?
I mean, you guys are dealing with some cutting edge
stuff and I'm gonna before we get into specifics of
products and things like that that you guys have. Was
that something that was always a peak interest of.

Speaker 9 (01:05:33):
Your Yeah, you know, even back in my Air Force days,
I was on a lot of contract award teams where
we would go test new technology and stuff like that.
So it's been it's always been kind of a passion
to be kind of on the on the tip of
the spear, so to speak, of some technology out there.
And then when I got the chance to go to
work for sky Caddy. I you know, I'd never even

(01:05:57):
heard about VPS and golf at that point because they
were still fairly new when I started with a company.
And now you know, now our technology is really like
a tour tour yardage book in the palm of your hand,
electronic yardist book in the palm of your hand, with
all the information that it gives you. It's it's it's
really amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Yeah, it is, I mean, and it's just And if
you've never had the pleasure of experiencing the Skycatty products,
you need to, first off, go on the website and
just check out because it's it's very robust the website
and giving you a lot of information. And then you
you've got to make a point of purchasing one of
the products and we'll talk about a few of the

(01:06:39):
things that are on there, because it's just, I mean,
the technology is just, I mean first class. I mean,
I've seen a lot of stuff out in the market.
You guys do it right, And uh, I think I
think I'm going to know the answer to the next question,
what do you love most about your job?

Speaker 9 (01:06:53):
Well, I wish it was playing golf, but I've worked
for a golf company, so that doesn't means I don't
get to play a lot of golf.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:07:02):
The really fun thing about some of the things I
get to do is, hey, I do get to go
out and meet a lot of people and talk to
a lot of people about sky Catty, show them the product,
show them how it works. I go to a lot
of I go several golf tournaments, I go to a
lot of retail stores and do a lot of things
like that. So that that's probably one of the funnest
things that I get to do.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
The other fun things is when the new product we
get new product, I'm one of the people that get
to go out on the course and test it, so
I see it before a lot of the people see it,
and I get to you know, put my hands on
it and push all the buttons and try to make
it break and and do all that fun stuff. So
but yeah, that that's probably the two biggest things of

(01:07:44):
my job that I really enjoy is is you know,
being being out in the not really is the face
of sky Candy, because actually I have a face for a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Radio but.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Too, so I'm right there with you.

Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
But you know, being out there and seeing the people
and talking to people, talking to golfers, you know, listening
to what they have to say about maybe products that
they're using and how what can sky Caddy do for
them in their golf game and things along those lines.
So you know, it's it's a really fun fun thing
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
One of the things I just want to mention, you
know about you that really impressed me at the PGA
show is you know, and I you know, obviously had
the pleasure of walking around to a lot of different
boosts and some competitors and things like that, but one
thing I really impressed me about you, Clay, is is
not just the knowledge that you have of the product

(01:08:43):
and what's behind the product, but just the passion you
know a lot of times when you're you're going and
again I understand that's what it's there for, but you know,
when you go to the PGA show, it's really you know,
not just so much about promoting the product, but you're
you're there to expose it to a lot of buyers
and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
But you take a lot of pride in what you do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
And that's why I asked you why what you love
most about your job because you really there's a lot
of passion what you say, and that's very rare in
any business, but particularly in what you guys do, because
a lot of guys kind of mouth and then they
read all the specs and they tell you that has
this an X, Y Z, and and you know that's great.
I can get a brochure and do the same thing,
or I can go online do the same thing. But
you actually took the time, as I said, you know,

(01:09:22):
unfortunately to me and my fumbleness with technology, we weren't
able to get it recorded. But I'm going to get
it next time so that people understand what I'm talking about.
But but you really took the time to really go
through each thing and explain why you know this is
important and how it benefits the golfers. It's not just hey,
this looks cool and look at this. It's really about
how this is going to benefit to the end user. So,

(01:09:44):
you know, before we get into I guess specific details,
give us just maybe the scoop if you would, behind
the technology that we're about to talk about, what's behind it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:53):
So are two new devices, which is the Pro five
X and the Pro four X, which had just been
least that you will be getting one, hopefully next week.
The only really difference between the two is one has
a five and five and a half inch screen. One
has a four inch screen. So I don't know if
you can, it's gonna be kind of hard for you

(01:10:14):
to maybe see them. But I actually have them here
so you can see both of those. What what the
the user interface on all of our product is pretty
much exactly the same. So whether you're using one of
our watches or even one of our handhelds, the menus
the same, right, So the buttons are going to be

(01:10:36):
work the same, the graphics are going to look the same, right.
So it's it's and we have customers who use both.
They'll have a watch and they'll have a handheld because
you know those those cart days they'll you know, cart
path the only days they'll when they you know, the car,
they'll have their watch with them instead of carrying the
device for them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:10:57):
Those are called now the new the new series, the
Pro series. Okay, they have the newest GPS engine and
the newest GPS antennas in them. Okay, along with the
way we map a golf course, which actually we send
mappers to a golf course with GPS great equipment, right,

(01:11:20):
and they will walk the golf course from the golfer's perspective.
Can't get a golfers perspective from a satellite view, right,
because you can't see all the little swayed in the
fairways and stuff like that from a satellite view. But
if you walking the same ground that a golfer walks
and looking at it from a golfer's perspective, you can

(01:11:40):
see all those undulations. You can see where's the best
place to possibly hit your drive too right and leave
it in to go into that green for the next shot. Okay,
that's one of the things that we really talent do it.
So when our mappers are mapping a course, the equipment
they use is submeter accurate, so when they mark a point,

(01:12:02):
they're they're on that point. Now, you'd move that down
to our devices, and the devices are the same way.
These devices ninety five percent of the time we're within
a yard to three yards of where you actually are. Okay,
and people people say, well, what's the difference between using
one of your devices and say my iPhone? Okay, Well,

(01:12:25):
the GPS engine your iPhone is not meant for golf.
It's meant for car navigation, right. So in car navigation,
if they get you to within one hundred or two
hundred yards of the address you're looking for, you're going
to find it right, right, one hundred yards even fifty

(01:12:46):
yards on a golf course, you're talking five.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Clubs, right, difference, right.

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
So that's one of the biggest the currents I guess
from people using I'm just going to get my iPhone.
It's close enough. Well it's fifty yard really close. Knough Yeah,
I would say no, So, yeah, a question.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I'm just gonna say, that makes a lot of sense
what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
I didn't apologize for cutting you off, But that's not
makes a lot of sense because I mean, you can
get a lot I know, there's a lot of apps
that you can put on your phone and you can
do this and that. But again, and certainly I'm sure
some of them are are are fairly accurate as well.
But but you're right, you're out in the golf course,
and you know, if you're somewhere between one to three yards,

(01:13:30):
that's a huge difference as opposed to forty or fifty
or one hundred yards. You know that that's again it
could be a five club difference, so you need to
have that accuracy. So you know, the technology is is important.
It needs to be you know, accurate because again you're
you're needing to gather the information. It brings me to
my next question, and that is what is driving this?
Why do you think is that the players just wanting

(01:13:51):
more information at their fingertips? Is that really what's driving this?

Speaker 9 (01:13:56):
There are some people who want so much information and
that's one of the we showed you even last year,
the super tags that we were coming out with. Right,
that even gives people more information on their golf swing.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:14:10):
Not only does it does game tracking, but it breaks
down every swing, measuring fifteen different data points at five
different times in the swing, right, and you can turn
some of those off or you only see what you
want to see. But and also does putting, so that's
even more data that people want to see. I mean,

(01:14:31):
you you a lot of golfers now you can say, hey,
what's your swing speed and ball speed on your driver?
And most of them can tell you because they've been
to a launch monitor, they have some way of measuring
that and they've committed that to memory. Right, So then
that's that's just data, that's just driven data. But if
the data is not accurate, it does nobody any good, right,

(01:14:52):
So that's why we we use these commercial grade GPS
antenna's VPS engine and then the way we map for
the accuracy, because we know accuracy matters. Are we even
the Pro Series now is even being used in the
Legends Tour in the UK, which is the which is

(01:15:13):
the Senior tour over there, right they use they use
our devices over there on tour. And you know, I've
talked to several of those guys with the different Senior
PGA championships I've been to that you know, come across
the pond to play in those events, and they're like,
look it, I don't have to think about things anymore.
Because if I'm gonna if I'm on a par five

(01:15:34):
and I say I want to hit my drive you know,
two hundred and ninety yards on the fairway, and then
that leaves me x amount end, then I can say, well,
I don't want to risk it because there's a lot
of bunkers up there. I can say, now I want
my to leave myself a sixty yards shot form where
I'm at in the fairway. So from where I am
to leave myself sixty yards, I only have to hit

(01:15:54):
the ball one hundred and eighty yards and then I
go sixty yards into the bin. Right, So it helps
them strategy very quickly without having to do a bunch
of numbers. Yeah, while they're and wasting time. So that
allows them to play faster also.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Yeah, yeah, and that's important especially at that level because
you're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
You know, if you're.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Number one two player, let's say in the pack and
all of a sudden you make some bad choices and
you're four or five, that's a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
That's a big swing in money.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
That's so I mean, these guys are playing, but again,
you know, for the regular guys out there that that
want what I really like about what this technology has
done is again, it gives them a lot of information
that is useful. And you know something interesting that you said,
you know, you talked about uh and I know what
you're alluding to. But you know, you can go to
simulators or you can you know, go in to see

(01:16:44):
your prob maybe they're running track Man or or something
like that, and you can get that. But you know,
our our swings change from week to week, and our
distance has changed from week to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Week as well.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
So I really like tags system because you know, you
might be you know, cranking that thing out, uh, you know,
your driver out one distance. Last week, your swing speed
might have been been this and and so forth. But
then this week maybe you're you know, you didn't eat
your wheedies or something in the morning, and you know
you don't have the same strength and it could be
a lot different. So it's nice to have that data

(01:17:15):
in real time as opposed to waiting till you go
and see your pro or or next time you visit
the simulator to get the information. And there's nothing wrong
with that, you know, but I think it's nice to
have that. And which brings me to this is I
want to talk about, which is I know what you're
alluding to here, and that is sky Golf's game Tracks
three sixty system.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
I want you to unpack that for us.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
What is it and what specifically does it do and
how do the players benefit from it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
So this is what you're talking about. The tags.

Speaker 9 (01:17:42):
You can barely see that tag right there, probably on
the end of my club.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Yeah right, cruise into the into this in.

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
The club, all right, there's a there's a coin battery
in there that's usually replaceable. The battery should last probably
two years, right, a pretty good plane. Okay, Yeah, like
I said earlier, what that tag does, and you have
a tag on every club in your back from your
driver to putter. You can got my butter here. I

(01:18:10):
don't know if you can really see it there my putter.
Now for these superstroke grips we have, you know, the
putter has a little insert there. I don't know if
you can really see that. You have to take the
weight out and then put the insert in. Then the
tag literally just screwed right on top. So it makes
it very easy. So but the cool thing is about

(01:18:32):
these devices and a they track they track your game
against the game track, right, and they'll tell you, okay,
excuse me. On number one hole, you pulled your driver
and you hit driver. Let's say you hit driver two
hundred and sixty yards and your swing speed was one
hundred and twenty three miles an hour, just kind of

(01:18:54):
throwing some numbers out there, right, and then at that
point you're you're in the fairway, right, and then from
the fairway there, let's say you get eight iron to
the green, you get your eight iron one hundred and
fifty yards and your swing speed was ninety miles now, right, okay,
And then when you get there to start putting, you
can actually set the pin to where the cup is

(01:19:16):
and then as you put it will track your putts
into the cup. Let me see if I can actually
show you some other things in here until it may
be hard to see.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Yeah, it's you know, it's amazing. Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:19:38):
I don't know if you can actually see this or not,
but yep, right there, then you okay, so you can
see it tells me all the different types of information.
And then right here it showed that there's a three
dimensional breakdown of my swing, right yep, So I can
tap on that and enlarge that. Then I can move
this around. Have to turn it to kind of see

(01:20:01):
what I'm doing, but I can move that right, and
then I can also play this and I can see
my swing in three dimensions. Okay. I can stop it
at certain points and I can see what those measurements
are like if i'm if i'm where's my club halfway
coming down? What's the face angle? Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
Is it?

Speaker 9 (01:20:20):
Is it open? Is it closed? My club shaft is
it inside outside, you know, the preferred line, any of
that information, I can get all that kind of information
in here, so that that there allows me to track
my game a little bit better. Now, what we don't
want people doing is setting when they're playing golf. We

(01:20:41):
don't want people looking at every single swing they take
in between golf shots, right, because now you're gonna do
is you're gonna slow everybody down. Right, So at the
end of the at the end of your round, you
can simply get sync round and it will Wi Fi
sink your device up to your sky Goolf three sixty
account and all the information will be then in your account,

(01:21:03):
and you can go into you account and you can
look at all this information. Is also going to tell
you strokes gained, strokes lost on certain holes based on
what your handicap is or what your handicap gold is
that you set. So if you're a say you're a
fifteen handicap and you're trying to make to be a ten,
you can set to where you want to be a
ten handicap, and it'll show you your your your game

(01:21:25):
progression to get to that ten handicap the way you're
playing right now. Wow, it's also a great information you
can if you're taking lesson, you can take it to
your instructor and say look, and you can show him
your swing in three dimensions and say, look, I've got
a really bad habit of really on the downswing, I'm
really inside and i'm and i'd get myself caught, you know,

(01:21:46):
and then you're kind of splipping it over at that
point and not not really swinging the club freely. And
you can you can show him that information, you can,
you can. It's the abundance of information that gives you
is you're really really crazy. So it's a really neat thing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Well, and that's where I think a lot of players
nowaday want to have access to information. I mean, you
have to be careful too that, Like you said, when
you're out in the golf course, you know you don't
want to be you know, you're there to play, you're
there to have fun, You're there to enjoy yourself. So
if I understand everything correctly, so then these tags are
basically recording that information and then when everything gets synked

(01:22:24):
later on, it's basically uploading to your account, to your
three sixty account, so then you see all the data
and you said that you can show or share that
with your coach. Is there a way currently or is
this something that maybe maybe I'm spilling the beans early here.
Is there going to be a way if it's not
available now that a player that has a dedicated coach

(01:22:45):
that they can somehow get into not I don't want
to say sign into their account, but they can through
some sort of a connection that they can instantly send
that once they've uploaded to their account, send it to
their coach.

Speaker 9 (01:22:58):
That might be something that we're looking at to in
the future. At the moment, only the way you could
do it was they would have to You'd have to
send your using in and passwords for them to look
log into if you want to see them all the data.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:23:10):
The other well, the other great things that the super
tags will do is be say I I am taking
a lesson and say we're working on mid irons in
that lesson, and I hit a six iron the purest
I've ever hit it, and your coach says, that's how
I want you to swing your your mid irons. Right there.

(01:23:31):
I can then save that swing as the favorite swing,
and then I can go and overlay other swings to
that so I can see where those other swings are,
you know, compared out of bounds as a bad, bad terminology,
but but you know out of you know, out of
whack so to speak. You know where where where am

(01:23:51):
I getting? Where am I losing track of that groove
that I had with this six iron when I was
with the instructor versus now? And then you can almost
self teach yourself or self correct yourself and and move
forward that way. So it's it's really a crazy awesome

(01:24:11):
concept that we're using.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
Well, and it's valuable information to the player. I mean,
obviously it's always I think good to work with a coach,
but at the same time, it's valuable information because a
lot of times, if you're maybe going every couple of
weeks to see your coach and you're he's he or
she has given you some drills to work on and
things like that, and you know you're out there and
you make a pure swing out in the range. Let's

(01:24:34):
say you hit a beautiful six iron, like you said,
and you want to know how you've done that. Of
course you can record that, save it to your favorites,
and then next time you get together with your coach
for lesson. You guys can review that and then as
you said, you can overlay some of the bad ones
that you know, maybe you did during that session with him,
and then you can compare it and he can say, Okay,
this is the good one over here. Here's two or

(01:24:55):
three other swings that you've done here, and here's what
the problem is, and now we're going to try to
work on it to get you swinging like that all
the time. That's valuable information because what a lot of
golfers end up doing, and I know this as a coach,
when when they're not with you, you know, and we
realize life happens, you're busy doing other things. You're not
always going to get up to the range, you know,
because it work that But having those those points and

(01:25:17):
those data entry points that that are valuable information is
think that you can look at when you're home. You
don't need to be up at the golf course. You
can look at that on your phone or you can
you know, check it online or on your you know,
on your computer, what have you, and you can assess
that information and look at it and say, okay, here's
some areas that parts my game that I'm really struggling with,
and here's parts that I'm really happy with. And that

(01:25:39):
information gives your coach then an opportunity to look at
that and say, oh yeah, I agree with that, that
that's some areas that you're you're struggling with. Let's put
a game plan together to pick those numbers back up
and make it that they're more uniform. And and so
that's where it comes in. Where where it does have
the problem is unfortunately everybody gets excited, and I mean,
I've just got my cell phone, but you know they're
looking at it, and you know, and they're holding the

(01:26:01):
FORCEM up behind you, and you know, next thing you know,
golf balls are flying over their heads. So you know,
there's a time and a place for it. But I
like the fact that that information is then stored and
then can be accessed to a later point when it's appropriate.
And I think this game track three sixty system is just,
in my opinion, when it comes to instruction and also

(01:26:21):
from a player standpoint, is a game changer. Now, you
mentioned very early on about a new product. You mentioned
about the five X, but now you've got the Pro
four X skycatdy coming out. Is that officially out now
has it been released out?

Speaker 9 (01:26:36):
Now, it's officially out and you can order it right
now on the website.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Okay, that's a new release. How does it differ from
some of the other models that you guys have had
in the past. So what's new about this that you
guys are are jazzed up about.

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
Well, the Pro four x A it'll work with the
super tags, so it's super tag rate. Okay. The other
part is it's got all the newest GPS engine and
you know, just like the Pro five X. It's got
the new GPS engine, the new uh GPS antenna, it's
got the upgraded Bluetooth antenna in it, different things like
that to make it better, far, better, faster, smarter than

(01:27:14):
previous devices. So almost like building a six million dollar man,
you know, right, stronger, faster, smarter. So but yeah, it's
it's new. It's just been released within the last couple
of weeks, and we're we're super excited about it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
And and again really it's essentially, if I understood you correctly,
it's essentially, uh, just a little bit smaller version of
the five X, right, it is.

Speaker 9 (01:27:39):
It's a four inch screen versus the five and a
half inch screen, So.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
That's pretty much the only difference, and really.

Speaker 9 (01:27:44):
Between the only difference and the UI and everything else
is exactly the same.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
Now I'm just curious, why, why the difference? Why not
just stick with the one? Why did you want to
come up with one that was a little bit smaller.

Speaker 9 (01:27:55):
There are some people who don't like, uh, the bigger
five X is too big, right, They say it doesn't
fit in their pocket too well, they get it confused
with their cell phone because it's about the same size
as an iPhone. Right, it doesn't. We've had people say, oh,
it doesn't fit in the cup holder very well, right,

(01:28:16):
the four X it's in a cup holder, great, slides
in your pocket.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
Great.

Speaker 9 (01:28:22):
We also have cart mounts of course that you can
mount to the side of your cart with you know. So, yep,
everybody wants something a little different. You cannot. There's no
way possible you can mistake this for your cell phone,
because I don't know of any cell phone that is
this small, that looks anything like this anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:28:38):
So.

Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
But yeah, we're really really happy about it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yeah, I know it's very excited about it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
And you said too that of course you got the
the the watch as well. You were, you had that
on your wrist, and so does that work in conjunct?
So let's say, for argument's sake, would it be an
either or situation. The reason I'm trying trying to clarify
so that the audience knows. So if I didn't want to,
I could bring both, right, I could bring the four X,

(01:29:06):
and then I could also have a watch.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Did they sink together?

Speaker 9 (01:29:09):
No, they don't seek together. They work independently apart. Now,
the watch is not game tag, game tracks, swim tracks
ready at all yet. Uh, that may be something in
the future that we're coming out with later on. So
watch work with those, right, But I can operate absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
I could leave the bigger unit, the four X, let's say,
in my cart, which is and in other words, it's
going to be connected with the tags, right, So I'm
still getting the bands of the tags. But at the
same time, because I'm unfortunate, I've hit a bad shot
and I'm now thirty feet or forty feet or whatever
from the cart, I've got my watch that I can
get the yardages that I need.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
It's just not going to sit up with the tag.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
But because I have the bigger unit, the tag will
then basically sync with that one right, not the four
X right.

Speaker 9 (01:30:00):
So wherever the four X is, that's where the tag is.
They don't think your golf ball is. So you've got
to walk across the fairway and you're going to take
you you don't want to take the device with you
to market or or later on when you synk the device.
You can always edit that shot and move it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Even though the tag is in the club and you're
That's why I'm trying to understand. So even though the
tag is in the club and you're standing out in
the middle of the fairway, but your cart's twenty feet
you know, left right.

Speaker 9 (01:30:29):
Well, it will still read it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
It will read it, but it's going to base the
reading from where the four X unit is, not where
the tag is correct.

Speaker 9 (01:30:37):
Correct, because that's what the GPS engine is going into
the unit. The tag does not have GPS in it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Got you, okay, So you need to have that big Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
I just want to make sure that people understood that
so absolutely, because I don't want you know, somebody misunderstanding think, Okay,
it's not a big deal. I can leave it in
the cart and I can go over here. Because the
tag is picking up all the data and and that
there would be a discrepancy. So I just want to
make sure people understood that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
So what do you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
Find from, you know, when you're speaking with or or
getting feedback from customers? What are some of the uh,
some of the majority of I guess if you would
take an average of comments, what are people looking for
when they're reaching out to you guys? And I'm not
talking about your customer service and things like that. I'm
just talking about what is some of the feedback that
you're getting from your customers as far as not just

(01:31:24):
the technology but what it does. Or are they saying,
you know, I'd like to see more of this in
an updated model or something.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
What's been some of the feed We.

Speaker 9 (01:31:34):
Really haven't had anybody say they want to see more
of really anything, because we give people, yeah, a ton
of information already. We've had some We've had some really
incredible compliments on how the system is working now with

(01:31:56):
the tags and the devices we've had. I was down
at the Villages early April for their golf fest. I
had one of one of our customers came up to
me and he said, I just want to tell you

(01:32:17):
that the Pro five X and the super tags are
the best thing that's ever happened to my golf game.
And he went through it and was telling me about how
he was using them and tracked his round and then
went home and watched it and said, okay, one of

(01:32:37):
the things I want to work on is my clubhead speed.
So he went in and did a grooving session, which
is we have him in there, right. The groove session
is the way to improve things like swing speed or
take away length or you know, shaffling that impact, you
know all kinds. But you can groove your swing because
we all know golf swing. A golf swing is nothing

(01:32:59):
more than must memory, right, Right, So I can go
there and I can set these parameters in here to say, okay,
I want my swing speed to be on my seven
iron to be within this parameter. Right, whatever that parameter
may be, Say it's between seventy five and eighty two
miles an hour. Right, So every time I swing that club,
if I'm in that, if I'm in that known, it

(01:33:21):
gives me a little green check and right, so I'm
like cool, good if I get you know, if I
do well enough in that groove, it'll it'll move me
to the next level, which in that cone shrinks a
little bit more, so I my swing speed. I can
get closer and closer to the actual swing speed that
I want to get to.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:33:37):
And again that's all through muscle memory. So you can
do the groove sessions with the club tags two in
your units and it's really cood. But he says, I
got my swing speed up to where I wanted it
with my clubs. He goes, I went back out the
next day, he goes, and he goes, I shot one
of the best nine hole rounds I've shot in the
last fifteen years. Right, He goes, that's all due to

(01:33:58):
your tags. That's fantastic, he is, if I, because I
had no way of measuring it without those tags. And
so we've got we've got some from some of his
quotes and stuff that he gave us. We put some
up on our website and stuff like that. Because he's
he's he's just absolutely loving him.

Speaker 6 (01:34:16):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:34:16):
And we've had a lot of other people say the
same thing. You know, this this me tracking my game
and you know, knowing when I hit a bad shot
that I can mark it down on my scorecard and
look at you know, shot three on whole four. You know,
I can go back and then after my round, I
can look at that shot and I can almost pick
it out. Why why why that shot went array or

(01:34:39):
you know, why did I hit it fat or fin
or whatever? I can see it he goes. Then I
can you know, do self correction and and and work
it out on my own. So that's a lot of
the feedback we're getting. Never really had a problem with
the accuracy of the device or things that people want
to see more on the device. The does so much

(01:35:01):
more than any other device on the market. One thing,
and I think I remember telling you this when you
were there. One thing all of our devices do that
no other device, no other device on the market can do,
is our green. Our green can rotate based on your
angler approach coming in. So if I'm playing playing and

(01:35:22):
I hit a shot far left and I end up
in the middle of number three's fairway instead of number
one stairway, that green will rotate and show me my
true front middle back coming in from where I'm at,
you know, right, so I'll have true numbers. If the
green doesn't rotate, you're not going to get true numbers
from any other device out there.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
So yeah, and if you've got things like bunkers or
things like that as well, that now you have to
factor in because you know you've mishit something. No, that's
I mean, that information is vital. What I really like
about it. I want to go back to what this
gentleman that down the villages had said to you, And
this really came to to my thoughts here. You know,
from a coach's perspective, one of the biggest pet peeves

(01:36:05):
is to how do we motivate people to want to
go out in practice, because everybody say, well, practice boring. Yeah,
like hit my driver because I can hit it pretty good,
but I don't like doing all the other stuff. But
it sounds to me really what you guys have done
has is created a motivation by giving them that information
and giving them that good feedback that encourages people to
want to go out in practice. So they want to

(01:36:26):
know what their numbers are. They want to know, you know,
they want to see what that golf swing looks like
in a three D fourmat, and they want to see,
you know, all of this other data and be able
to then create a plan that then gives them something
to work towards. Like you said when you talked about
the parameters and things like that, and to me from

(01:36:47):
from a coach's perspective, because that's hard. I mean you,
I'm sure you've heard it from a lot of coaches.
That's one of the big pet peeves that we have
is Okay, we've got a great lesson, they're focused on
everything and that, but then we don't see them for
two weeks and well, Bob, what'd you do for two weeks? Well,
you know, I didn't get a chance to get out
the range. I did that, and you know, I'd be honest,
I don't really enjoy working on this part of my
game because it is not very you know, much fun

(01:37:07):
and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
And they get drilled to death. You know, they get
drilled to death.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
So from this gentleman's perspective that you were talking about
a few months ago, now he's kind of jazzed up
and excited because he's seeing in real time how his
results can change with a little bit of work. But
he's seeing it in your platform, the results and the changes.
So now he's able to and that could be it

(01:37:34):
could be two weeks before he sees his coach. Now
you can go back he's excited. Hey, coach, you know
I've been working on this and that for the last
couple of weeks. Here's how the numbers have changed from
when you saw me the last time. And remember we
were trying to get into that that that's you know
that that range, and hey, guess what, I'm in that
range now. So that gives again, great feedback to the
coach and it gets them, you know, the player pretty
excited about wanting to quote and work on some of

(01:37:56):
these things because again, they can adjust the parameters to
basically hand whatever it is they need to be working on.
So that's going to be a positive thing for you
guys as well. To hear customers say that right.

Speaker 9 (01:38:08):
It is it is And my thing is it gives people,
like you said earlier, it gives them a reason to practice.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Yes, trust me.

Speaker 9 (01:38:16):
Okay, uh, if you're my coach and you tell me play, look,
I need you to go do this right And if
I'm out there just banging balls and have no way
of seeing am I doing what I'm supposed to do?
Am I doing? Am I doing what the coach told
me to do? Because Okay, the ball may be flying
in the air and I may have. You know, it

(01:38:38):
may look good to me, but but there still may
be some small flaw in there that I don't see right.
But now I can see it right with the tags,
I can see it right right. So to me, it
gives people a reason to practice. It motivates people to practice.
I am the world's worst about putting. Putting practice is boring,

(01:39:03):
I really do. Nobody likes to practice putting right. But
now with the tag, I can actually see what my
putting stroke is doing. And if I make a change,
I can see it. And when I can see it,
I can see it in the results. Right, quick, real
quick story. Sure, we had a couple of guys at

(01:39:24):
the office when we were testing tags. We'll say late winter,
early spring. We were testing some tags and the guys
come in and they're like, there's something wrong with this
tag because it's telling me that on my backstroke on
my putter that I pulled, I pulled the putter to
the inside. He goes, I don't pull my putter. There's

(01:39:48):
no way possible. I pulled my putter to the inside.
We got to too by Ford and set them up
there and guess what happened when first pull back inside
two by four fell over. Why because he pulled his
putter into right right, but he swore up and down.
He he didn't do that right. But by seeing it
and then proving it to him, he now he now

(01:40:11):
knows how to kind of fix that issue. We had
another guy who who on his downstroke he lifted up
a little bit and you can see a hump in
his forward swing in his putter. You could see a hump.
And we actually got down on the ground and videoed
his putter and you could actually see his putter come
across and and raise it up, and he was he

(01:40:34):
was topping all of his putts and he didn't know why. Well,
if he didn't have a tag to show that hump,
he never would have figured. He wouldn't have figured it
out as quickly, you know. So you know some of
those simple little things like that, you know, and then
the reward you see on people's face and huh wow,
that's that's incredible, you know, it's it's really it's really

(01:40:55):
really cool on how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Now, are more let me ask you for from a
professionals level, because obviously that gives them information because again
they're not always i mean, they're traveling a lot of
them are traveling in the country or even the world,
and even though they have instant access in many cases
to a coach, they're obviously taking advantage of this technology
now because it gives them in real time the information
they need. Is this, Is there going to be a

(01:41:20):
day because I know some stuff is what I say
legal in tournament that is there going to be a
day where all of this is going to be legal
in tournaments? Is it going to be moving towards that?
I mean, I know some of them are you know
that you're seeing the range finders and things like that,
But do you see a time and maybe.

Speaker 9 (01:41:36):
That's some different things that we're going to have to
talk to the USGA and the RNA and the PGA about.
So I'm sure those are future discussions that are coming
because people are If I was a pro player, I
would love to have these SAgs on my clubs and

(01:41:56):
at the end of my day go back and review
my entire round. I didn't say, Okay, I know on
whole three on that par five that my my second
shot that I was hitting to a layup point was
it was a little you know, I didn't hit the
shot that I wanted. So let me go back and
look at that shot and see right, and so I

(01:42:17):
can go back and look at it and see if
I can pull it out the data of what did
I do wrong? And you know, okkay, well, I see
that I was a little bit too far on the
on the inside on my on my downswing, so you
know that's what caused me to you know, do an
inside out swing and cause the ball to do what
it did. So okay, case in point. Now I know

(01:42:38):
what I've done wrong, So you know I can see
that in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Yeah, I see also in the future. And you know
again I was thinking of this, well you were giving
that explanation. You know where the day is going to
come because from a from a a fans perspective. I mean,
we've seen now for the last several years, you know,
Top Tracer has their technology there and everybody sees that
basically the shape of the shot. I mean, I think

(01:43:02):
you're going to see the day in in in real
tournament where you know, you'll see a split screen where
you'll see the golfer taking his you know, the real swing,
and then you're going to see, you know, the image
that you showed me. You know the audience earlier where
you're going to see a digital version, if you will,
or whatever you want to call it, of the player
of the actual swing and the numbers are going to
pop up, because that, to me, is going to be

(01:43:25):
interesting for the fans to see, you know, I mean,
and I know it's different than what we've been used
to growing up, you know, as when we were younger,
as tournament golf, but that's where the future is. I
think we're a lot of kids, I should say kids,
but young guys are interested in this stuff, and you know,
they don't want to just watch the guy walking from
hole to hole. They want to see and you know,
people got jazzed up when top tracers come out. I

(01:43:47):
can see something like along the lines of Skycaddy seeing
that in tournaments where that data is going to be
popped up on the screen and on the other side,
you're going to see the player hitting the shot and
now all of those numbers are going to come up
in real time. I see that integration happening on tour events.
Maybe not in the next five years, but certainly maybe
within the next ten years, because you're seeing that digital
environment is is becoming more and more prevalent uh in

(01:44:10):
so many other areas of our lives. I think golf
is going to have to move in that direction to
keep the game interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:44:18):
What do you think I have agree with you? There
are some things that some of the traditions in golf.
I think golf is going to have to change in
the future. You know so, but yeah, that that to me,
that would be incredible to to watch a guy like

(01:44:38):
you say, swing and then what's the data pop up
right next to it and it shows you, you know,
his launch angle, his his you know, swing speed, and
the clubhead speed, and then you know where where was
the club head halfway back right? What was open? Closed?
Was the inside outside? You know that that that would
be crazy amount of data for people to see. And

(01:45:02):
you know then you know, as everybody mimics a favorite golfer,
they mimic their swing, right, and that would just give
you even more points where you can mimic somebody else's
swing by knowing where they are at certain points of
their swing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
So well, I think it also makes it more interesting
for the for the announcers in the tower, give them
something to talk about instead of guessing all the time.
You know, a lot of times and saying well, so
and so did this, and so and so did that,
and I know that. You know, there's some good guys that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put them down,
but you know, having that information like that available on
the screen where everybody can see im and that gives
them their points. They can just go through and say, yeah, look,

(01:45:36):
you know he did this or he did that, or
she did this or did that. So I mean, I
see that being becoming an integral part of golf moving forward.
I mean, technology is here to stay. It's fascinating, it's
interesting right now. Of course, it has its place, and
you've got to know how to use it properly, and
it's interesting to get excited about it. But you know,
again it's something that you know, you want to be

(01:45:58):
able to again put it in in proper context. But
I think it's just a matter of time. I think
you're going to see in the next few years, the
you know, the RNA and the us GA and that
are going to have to make some changes because I
think in order to keep the fan base because the
younger generation coming up that are getting into golf, they're
all technology driven. That's what we're looking for and you know,
if you don't have that, then it becomes boring to them.

(01:46:20):
So you know, as older guys, you know that grew
up in the traditional golf. I mean, I love it.
I mean, I think it's great and exciting to see.
You know, we've had to adapt to two different things,
and I think we're going to see that technology. I
know that this Obviously a lot of the products that
you have require a subscription, correct, Correct they do, Okay,

(01:46:41):
talk about what the subscribers get for their commitment, because
that's obviously is it a monthly commitment or is it
animal it's.

Speaker 9 (01:46:48):
An annual subscription. Now, any device that you buy new,
you get a first year is free. So you get
your first year free, and then after that you can
you can do a burden which is for the state
that you play in. You can do an eagle, which
is for the entire United States, or you can do

(01:47:09):
double egal, which is for the entire world. We've got
over thirty five thousand golf courses worldwide in our database
that somebody has went and walked right in this twenty
plus year, twenty plus years of being in the market.
You know, you can get some golf courses under your belt.
So but yeah, so what does that what does that
membership do?

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:47:30):
Membership does several things. Still allows us to go out
and map golf courses from a golfer perspective like we do, right.
It allows us to pay for all the storage of
all this data now that we have coming in, right,
because you've got people who keep saving their scorecards and
now swings and all that kind of stuff. So all

(01:47:52):
that stuff takes stake, takes storage room, right, So it
helps pay for that storage room also, and it helps
us build future products that are out there. So you know,
almost everything now is subscription based one way or the other. Yeah,
so that's why we we are what we are. So

(01:48:14):
and the customer gets get some really good deals. You
get like the golf you get a golf magazine for
a year. We have some subscription where you get some
free Bridgestone golf balls, right, stuff like that. So so
we do we do make it to where we're making
it worth the customer's while we're also working with some
partnerships with some other golf companies to where they will

(01:48:36):
give our customers discounts on their products.

Speaker 5 (01:48:40):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:48:40):
And you'll see that coming out very soon.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Yeah, I think that's great, and I think it's so
important to work together in our industry. I mean that's
one of the nice things about you know, when you
go down to as we talked about earlier the PGA show,
you know, there's so many great organizations that you can
partner with that have something, a little something that they
can offer and vice versa. And I think that, you know,
golf is a very I mean, you know what was interesting, uh,

(01:49:04):
you know, out of this a few years ago, and
we went into the pandemic. You know, as tragic as
it was for many people, it was a big shot
in the arm for the golf industry because it brought
a lot of change and in many cases need a change,
and it opened a market that really was not there before.
And you know, typically when people thought of golf, they
thought of the country typical country club and and that

(01:49:26):
sort of thing, or maybe the resorts. But now they're
they're seeing there's so much available and with the onslaught
of technology, this younger generation, as I said, is really
you know, jazzed up about it. And I know when
I go out to the when I get a chance
to go to the golf course, and I see these
young kids, they're looking at their watches, they're looking at this,
they're looking at that. And I've seen some skycaddies out there,
so I know there's some some guys in my area.

(01:49:49):
And so I mean, you know, they're they're really excited
about that technology and wanting to learn from it. And
I like, I really like what you talked about earlier
about how they can utilize It's not just about giving
the numbers, but how they can actually take those numbers
and create a game plan on how to improve their
their game. And that's really what it's all about. Is
the better you can play and the more funny you're

(01:50:09):
going to have. And and if you guys can marry
that technology, you know, in the teaching side of things,
and not just with the coaches, but with the players
themselves to be able to learn from that and and
make adjustments as they needed, I think it's just a
fantastic thing. So if people want to get more information,
where can they go? And is there any specials coming up?
We've got Father's Day just a few weeks away, and

(01:50:31):
anything cooking there's.

Speaker 9 (01:50:33):
A Father's Day special. I believe it started today Memory serves.
It starts today or tomorrow a Father's Day special. I
don't exactly know what it is off the top of
my head, but the website will tell you what it is.
Skygolf dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:50:49):
We also have a lot of great videos out there
on our website and on our YouTube page. We have
a sky Skycatty YouTube page. I don't know if you
know who Chris Trott is Troty Golf, right, Uh, we've
teamed up with with with Troty. Uh an amazing, amazing
guy and uh he does a lot of a lot

(01:51:12):
of our talks to people a lot about sky Catty.
He does a lot of explanation videos about uh super
tags and and sky cat and this, you know pro
five x because that's what he's had h and how
it works with the tags, how you can use them
in conjunction with each other, things like that. So there's

(01:51:34):
a lot of information out there, and you know, we're
always just a phone call away or a little email
uh from the website away and and somebody will get
back in touch with you if you're looking for some information.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
Sounds good, all right. We I want to thank you
very much Clay for coming on. I'm gonna get you
to hang tight for a second as I wrap up,
and then we'll uh, we'll we'll get uh, we'll get
people going to that website one more time, and that's
golf dot com is the website. All of the information there,
all of the products that we talked about tonight and more.
And obviously there's some specials on there. I know for

(01:52:07):
Father's Day because I was on earlier, so you can
check that out as well. And there's contact information there
as well if you want to reach out to any
of the team at Sky Golf. But I want a
special thanks to all of my guests this evening. Again,
a special thanks to Clint Right for joining me earlier
on the Coaches Corner panel. Thank you, Clint for always
bringing your best to our discussions. I also want to
thank Robert Kaufman, the co host and travel expert, joining

(01:52:31):
me in the middle section of the show on our
special travel segment, and our special travel guest Catherine Sanson,
founder of Sanson Pr and Marketing. Again, if you want
to get more information there, you can visit her website.
And then, last but not least, but my featured guest tonight,
Thank you again, Clay Simpson from sky goolf for joining me.
A lot of great stuff and go to skygolf dot

(01:52:52):
com to get more information. And I will see you guys,
not next week because I'm going to be off next week,
but the week after I'll be back with another interesting show,
another Coaches Counter and another feature guest at the evening.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
So I hope you join me.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
God bless everybody, and have a great weekend and we'll
see you next time.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
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We'd like to thank this week's Coach's Corner panel and
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