#17 | Ex-FBI Agent “The Deep State Controls Everything!” UFOs, Plasma Weapons & MH370 - Hard Truths

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to another exciting episodes of the Hard Truths
podcast with Ashton Forbes. Today, I have an amazing guest
for you, twenty five year retired FBI veteran John Desusa,
the real life Fox Molder of the X Files. Can't
wait to talk to him. Let's do it. Hey, John,

(00:20):
Welcome to the show. Brother. Thank you very much for
being here. I appreciate you. How are you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, I'm doing great, Ashton, thank you so much for
having me on a hard truth podcast. Looking good, It's
looking great, and I'm really anxious to be here with
you in your wonderful audience. And I'm hoping that this
is gonna be as great as I built it up
in my mind to be.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, well, let's do it then, right off the bat, like,
tell people who aren't familiar with you, like, what your
background is? You know, I had heard of you many
years back that people are calling you the real life
Fox Molder of the X Files, and I love that show.
And I remember looking at me like, oh, he does
have this background in the f So what kind of
stuff have you you looked into?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, it was basically back in I was in the
FBI and I ended up getting involved with what we
called the entire X Files fiasco at the FBI, because
as soon as they in nineteen ninety three, they started

(01:24):
this new show called The X Files, and it was
brand new, and they put up the first episode in
I don't remember the month, but it was in ninety three,
and it was an amazing show. However, my bosses at
the FBI immediately recognized some details from some of my

(01:47):
cases in this show. And we're talking about the seventh floor,
we're talking about the big, big weeks at the FBI,
And so they called in the maker of The X Files,
Chris Carter, Chris Carter, and they called me in too,
because they were going to accuse both of us of

(02:08):
having some collusion there and putting some info together for
this show. And they did exactly that, and Chris Carter
was able to tell them that no, he had he
had no contact with me, he had no nothing or
with any well not with it. Well, he didn't get

(02:31):
any classified information, any secret information, anything of that sort.
But he said to my bosses at the FBI that
he would be able to further cooperate if they would
give him more details of these cases that they say
that he Pilford that he got information from and they

(02:54):
were unwilling to do that. However, they were very threatening.
They told him, they told him and Fox Fox News,
No not Fox News, it was Fox the channel that
actually put on the xbox, and they told them, oh,
we're going to shut your show down. We're going to
under national security. I don't think they even have the
power to do that, but you know, the FBI has

(03:16):
a lot of coercive characters in it, I'll just put
it that way, and they're very good at making threats,
even whether the threats are true or not.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
So they did you actually give him information? And if not,
do you know where he got them?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
So? Yes, I have getting information from the FBI, right Like.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Uh, yeah, well I have my ideas about it. And
what I what I suspect happened was uh a lot
of us in the FBI, especially those of us who
work extremely sensitive cases, cases that end up getting MDes
passed out on them, you know, uh, non disclosure agreements. Uh,

(03:59):
those of us who worked those types of cases. What
we do is we keep a book. We keep a
book of notes on these cases because a lot of
this stuff we can't put in FBI files, So we
keep what we call off the books off the book's
note book, and we keep our files, we keep our
notes in it on these cases so that in case

(04:20):
we need to get it back later in front of
Congress or something like that. And so what happened to me,
I believe is that a couple of agents that were
working with me, that were working with me, they retired
to Los Angeles to work as consultants with Hollywood Productions

(04:41):
and they took my They took my freaking book. Ashton.
You know, you've probably had this sort of thing happened
to you before, where people try to steal some of
your talent, and they can't steal your talent literally, so
they try stealing some of your notes, your blueprints, your
things that you have. So anyway, I believe that these uh,

(05:01):
these couple of agents uh took my off the books
notebook and actually shared it with Hollywood Productions. And whether
whether Chris Carter had any knowledge of that or not,
I don't know. That part is not too clear. But
that's what I believe.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're saying, it's real, You're saying it is kind of
based on your some of your research and also, wait, like,
there's cases where you have to sign n d as afterwards?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
How well, yeah, well there are cases where if things
go really really wrong and FBI headquarters feels like you know,
or people who are above FBI headquarters feel like they
need another control mechanism, then they will come at you
with these NDAs. And they will even FBI agents who

(05:51):
are subject to subject to secrecy requirements already. So we
shouldn't need to do any any NDAs, but they will
come at you with these once in a while. And
I'm you know, I'm not even allowed to say which
ones I had to sign NDA's for because that's part
of the NDA. You're not allowed to say. Uh, but

(06:14):
it's not it's not a significant factor really because.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
You've had to do in terms of what you can say,
can you say how many of these generally you've had
to sign, like more than a handful.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
No, I've never had to sign them. I've seen others,
seen others have to sign them, but I personally have not.
I personally have not.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, so the stuff that you did was generally just
spooky stuff, but you didn't have to sign any NDAs.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
And I and I'm an attorney, I'm an attorney and
I've worked in the legal world also, so I already
know I know which things I can't talk about. I
know which things I can't ever mention. Again, I can
and I can give you, you know, examples of there have
been there's been cases with UFOs and alien technology as

(07:06):
well that has been implicated in certain places in certain ways,
And I already know that I can't be specific when
I talk about those those cases. I can't because the.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Case is related to UFO stuff generally. Before yes, you
can say yes. Is that how you got involved with
like Steven Greer and I saw Billy Carson like you
were in one of their videos. You've been in several
different videos and a couple of technology and UFOs, Like,
how did you connect to those guys?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, I've always been I've always been kind of connected
with doctor Greer's work. But that goes that goes back
to even the period when I was out of the
FBI already, for for instance, I was working I was
working at guy at TV doing some doing different things

(07:59):
for them, and that was at the time. That was
at the time when doctor Greer, for instance, Uh, I
don't know how much you know about this. But doctor
Greer was the one who first came up with the
Tacoma alien creature that he came up with, which was
that little, you know, six inch creature that came out

(08:23):
of a Tacoma Peru. I think it was. I think
it was a talk about. Uh. But but people in
your audience will text, will text, will check what that
what exactly where that was? Uh, Tacoma.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
But yeah, yeah, and I remember that vaguely. Yeah. So
the small like little mummy thing that they it.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Wasn't Yeah, it was a mummy. It was not alt
it was. It was an actual full mummy, which is
very significant.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
And so doctor Greer was able to come forward with
that and show that it was not any sort of
any sort of a fetus or an embryo, that it
was actually non human life and that's what it was.
And uh. Then so that went on, and then he

(09:18):
took it to an infamous, an infamous fake scientist who
was the guy at Stanford, Stanford Science Department whose name
escapes me right now. And uh he actually said to
doctor Greer and everybody else that I'm going to get

(09:40):
I'm going to do the DNA. I'm going to get
the DNA results on this thing, and I'm going to
tell everybody, you know, this thing turns out to be
non human life, because that's all that we were.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's all Gary Nolan wasn't Gary Nolan. Wow, that was
more drama in this community.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
This was a really bad one because because.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
This is like right before I got involved in all this, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Because doctor Greer he came up with the first example
of non human life with actual physical evidence and DNA
evidence everything. And he came up with that and he
presented that to the world, and that was going to
be a huge breakthrough in on our planet. And doctor

(10:28):
Greer had it, he had it all. Uh, And unfortunately
he trusted Gary Nolan. He trusted Gary Nolan, who said,
in the preliminary findings, he said, this is absolutely not
a featus. This is non human life apparently from the

(10:48):
preliminary DNA tests. And I'm not completely sure how that works,
but they explained it. I mean they doctor Greer explained it,
and Gary Nolan explained it, and all the preliminary tests
showed that this was non human life. Of course, doctor
Greer or anyone else never claimed that it was an

(11:11):
alien or anything like that. That was the function of
mainstream media, because what they do in these cases is
they immediately say, oh, everyone's claiming it's an it's an alien,
the atacam alien fossil or the atopic alien. Moment, nobody
ever said it was an alien, because we're pretty sure

(11:32):
this thing was what do you call native to the
planet Earth, because that's what that's the indications that we
all had. So anyway, so anyway, Gary Nolan went ahead
and said, yes, this is the preliminary test all show
this is non human life. Now we're going to do
the deep deep DNA testing, which can take like I

(11:54):
heard it takes like it can take years. It can
take over a year to do that sort of thing.
And sure enough, when he was completed the long range
what they call the long strand DNA analysis, uh he
he actually got a visit, uh from it looks like
he got a visit from the military, uh from the

(12:16):
US military. And shortly after that he uh he called
doctor Greer and he said, hey, bad news. It turns
out this thing actually is a uh just a fetus.
It's a human fetus. Uh that was somehow, yeah, that
somehow is mutated and it's actually it's even a female

(12:36):
human uh fetus, And that's all it was. Uh, that's
all it was. So forget about all that non human
uh DNA stuff that I said before. This is the
real conclusion. And then Gary Nolan went out on all
the international wires and all the everywhere with the news,
mainstream news. He put that out everywhere. In other words,

(12:56):
he absolutely betrayed doctor Greer. After he had promised that
he would follow the conclusion to its scientific reality, its
scientific truth, no matter where it led, and that he
didn't care about being ostracized by the scientific community or
anything like that. Well you know about that. But he said,

(13:17):
oh yeah, I'm willing. I'm willing. I'm right there with you,
doctor Greer. Don't worry. We're gonna put out the truth
on this thing. And then after he did the long
range analysis of the DNA, he went ahead. He did
a complete one. He betrayed doctor Greer, and he portrayed
everyone who's interested in real true science.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah. I don't really trust him, honestly. I I randomly
got blocked by him, and it turns out it seems
like I want to This is another thing. I wanted
any opinion on it. Seems like there's this weird schism
or little clicks in the UFOK mean, it's not even
really clicks because there's not that many. It's really just
like two sides. There's one side that is like the

(14:00):
Stephen Greer side that I guess you could say, Billy
Carson's on that side, presumably you're aligned with them, Michael
Schratt a few other people that you see commonly on
his stuff. And then the other sides like the lou Elizondo,
Gary No and Ross Colehard, Jeremy Corbel, like George Knapp, whoever.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Don't get me started. Don't get me started.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well, let's get started, because like I look at this
and I did not expect this coming into the UFO community,
realize that I'm relatively new, like a year and a
half into this thing, and realize that there's all this
it's political like political turmoil about people's political opinions for
some reason, there's also this like pretty solid alignment of
where people stand politically in terms of where they're on

(14:47):
this dividing line. And it's not really like the way
I divide, it's not really accurate, but the way I
divide it is like the people that think like the
aliens are gonna come save us or whatever that you know,
just wait for the aliens to come save us and
fix everything. And then the other side of it, I imagine,
is like, no, these are people saying like we've been working,

(15:07):
we've been building this technology, we've been working on it.
Maybe it came from aliens or whatever, but like this
technology is like we have to look at like how
game breaking that would be. Like, it's your perspective on this.
Do you agree that there's this schism that's out there,
and what's your opinion of the guys.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
That are my opinion and my opinion action is first
of all, I would ask you, please, please, when you
have a chance, just read my book The Extra Dimensional,
because in this book I actually reveal FBI documents, FBI
documents that are out there, and that actually started me

(15:44):
on this road of the truth down to the truth
that alien visitors are not physical. They are interdimensional, they
are extra dimensional. They are not physical in the sense
that we are. They can temper rarely assume that physicality,
that physicality. They can, but it doesn't last very long.

(16:08):
And also they are UFOs. And so this document by
the FBI was released at the same time as what
I call the Roswell disinfo operation, where in Roswell you
had a bunch of people come together and try to
put forward the lie really that aliens are physical, that

(16:32):
they're just physical, just like us, and that alien imminency
is real because they just get into their tin cans
and they can just crash and be dead by the
side of the road, just like any of us could
be just like us, because they're just like us. And
that's what the whole gospel of Roswell was. Of the
Roswell crash, which I believe was in nineteen forty seven,

(16:54):
I believe that was it in nineteen forty seven. Well,
at the same time, in nineteen forty seven, document came
out from the FBI which showed information from an FBI
agent who had who said he had an informant who
was himself an alien visitor of some kind, and that

(17:15):
this alien visitor told him that aliens are not physical,
that UFOs also are made of plasma. They're made of
plasma radiant energy.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
In addition to what document says that going back that
far says something about plasma.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
In nineteen forty seven, that's what this document says here.
It also says that we should never attack their UFOs UFOs,
and that the UFOs are somehow, they don't have anyone
in them. They are UFOs are the are. They're vessels

(17:53):
that accompany alien visitors, come with them and carry out
small tasks for them. They're like familiars for a sorcerer,
witch of that sort of thing. That's the kind of
reality that we're looking at here. So anyway, my book
The Extra Menals makes it very clear. It also gives

(18:14):
my personal experiences with alien visitors, and it shows that
I do believe they are absolutely real. I do. However,
the problem is that now you have this group of people,
along with the along with the unfortunately the New York Times,

(18:34):
the greatest bastion of global deception that has ever existed
on this earth. Uh, And that they they basically got
together and they got together with all these former CIA
contractors and former CIA officers and things of that sort,
and they decided, number one, Okay, we're gonna grab the

(18:56):
entire world of pophology and we're going to bring it
under our control. And now I believe in the exist
I believe in the cabal is at the top of
this freaking pyramid controlling all the strings, and they are
the ones who basically are above all of this, and
they are using their their whole system of fake whistleblowers

(19:19):
and guys like Elizondo and Grush and god knows how
many others they are using. Because in twenty and twenty
seven and twenty twelve to twenty seventeen, they decided that
they were going to grab control of aphology as a

(19:41):
mental construct, and they were going to grab it. So
they said, well, what's the first thing we need to do. Well,
the first thing we need to do is we need
to grab control of the uphology of the UFO subject
away from the United States Air Force, where it was.
This was basically under the control of the United States

(20:03):
Air Force. Why because you are unidentified flying objects. So
they was put under the purview ultimately of the Air Force.
And the way I know that is because the FBI
had many battles with the President and with the and
with the Air Force itself to try to get that
jurisdiction away from the Air Force. But no, because it

(20:23):
makes more sense to have the Air Force in charge
of it, because these are aerial things that we're talking about. Well,
they decided, well, you know what, we have several reasons
why we're going to bring lithology away from the United
States Air Force and bring it under the United States Navy.
United States Navy. Why because the United States Navy is

(20:46):
what controls. First of all, they control all legal issues.
But that's but that's another thing. But they also control
all the confidentiality and all the secrecy surrounding the development
of top secret weapons okay weapons, yes, and they control
all of it, so they said. And they're also were

(21:11):
also given the technology that I believe was reverse engineered
from nineteen forty seven probably when they did this operation
at Roswell, and so they were given total control of this.
And then we also see at the same time that
oh my goodness, the United States Navy is having these

(21:34):
exercises over off the coast of California. The biggest most
the biggest carrier group that exists in the United States,
the Nimits Carrier Group, was out there doing exercises and
they were and they were providing a secure atmosphere for

(21:56):
the ultimate testing of these these uh creature, these things
that were those capsules that were flying around and trying
all over the place. That we called that we now
and then they said, okay, we need to change the
name of these things from UFOs to UAPs. So that's

(22:16):
what they did. And then the Knimtz Carrier Group was
told was well, actually they were part of this plan
and they created a secure atmosphere for these things to
be experimented with. In the final chapter, and then the
New York Times went in there and did a whole
work up about this and showing how the Nimtz Carrier

(22:39):
Group was a poor, helpless victim of these of all
of these UAPs that were flitting around all over the place,
and they didn't do anything against them. They just sent
out pilots to observe them. I mean, it was a
giant theater play, is what it was.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yes, you're saying that it's a big disinformation effort to
contain what's really going on and to control the narrative
that's out there, and that you know, there's other reports
out there that you know, and I want to dig
into the interdimensional plasma stuff, but basically that there's a
group of people that are presenting a certain narrative out

(23:18):
there that's protecting national interests and I don't even disagree
with the narrative that you just presented it. Like the
Nimitz incident, the tic TAC was like, you know, human technology,
they were testing it. That's a narrative that's out there
that the UFO community doesn't really want to pick up on,
but it's a powerful one because Jeremy Corbel even admitted

(23:40):
that Commander Fraverer was told by the CIA that the
tic TAC was Lockheed Martin technology, which, of course, there
you go, that's your answer.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
This is all copied. This is all copied technology, and
that's why and that's why we're dealing with these drone
these a super weapon what I call the LSDS.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I want to talk about here next. So I want
to play this clip. This is how we connected. You know,
it's actually just you praising me. So for the people
who are listening, you know, yeah, as Ashton being a
little egotistical, maybe, but you know what, when someone who's
a former FBI agent who's called the Fox Molder praises
you like this, then you can play a clip too.

(24:18):
So I want to play this, and then I want
to ask you some questions about it.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Scientists just will say whatever their sponsors tell them. To say,
but I saw this. I saw this one great scientist
yesterday named Ashton Forbes. He's a plasma technology expert. Have
you spoken to him before? Have you had him on
the show.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
But yeah, we've done a deep dive with Ashton here
on the show on MH three seventy and actually we
have a big interview with him coming up in just
about a week or so on a lot of these
plasma technologies and zero point energy technology.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
He's a good friend of the show.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, excellent, because the shocker that he said yesterday, he
was on the Next News Network yesterday and the shocker
that he gave us was he said, oh, yeah, our
intelligence tech community has been able to create plasmas and
orbs for years now, for years now, those plasmas and

(25:17):
orbs are definitely created by our Military Industrial Complex Tech division.
And he says that's absolutely true, and it was that's
a shocker to hear a scientist that you can trust.
And that was that instead of while all the other
scientists are trying to get us to say this ridiculous
word plasmoid, plasmoid, which is absolutely ridiculous. Plasmoid doesn't mean

(25:42):
any it. It means natural phenomena like ball lightning. It's
that's not what these things are. It's a complete distraction
and it's a confusion of the language. They're using MSM
to also amplify that, and they're trying to get people
to say plasmoid. Well, I want people to say LSD's
large super weapon drones. That's what they should be saying.

(26:05):
And plasmas and plasmas and orbs because that's what we're facing.
So that Ashton Forbes had a great little people.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sir, thank you very much for that right off the bat.
I want to respond and just say awesome. I don't
know your video was much better then, So I hope
people don't hat on it now. Hopefully it'll show up
better in posts. But yeah, first of all, the fact
that I know exactly how you felt when you saw
somebody explaining something that like you've worked on and you've investigated,

(26:36):
because it's happened to me a number of times over
the last year where I'm investigating this missing plane, investigating
this science, and then you find like an old engineer
from thirty years ago explaining it all plainly and simply
exactly and exactly. The plasma orbs part too, which was like,
I've learned now how they can make the plasma orbs

(26:59):
just inner acting scaler beams at a distance, or even
just laser beams at a distance, very precisely, and they
can make plasma orbs, and they can make them large.
I just spoke to this guy, John Brandenburg, he's a
PhD as well. He said that back in like the
probably the nineties maybeven eighties, they were making plasma balls
as big as the size of a soccer ball, just

(27:21):
randomly messing around. So of course they can make them
potentially even bigger now. And so I wanted to get
What I wanted to ask you was not just to
thank you for that, and I appreciate that shout out,
was you know what led you down this, you know,
interdimensional plasma route, because I want to understand your thought

(27:43):
process and just kind of compare my own so that
people who are viewers of what have you can understand
how we got to this, you know, kind of convergent
point and understanding the phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
So go ahead, you know, and in that in that model,
if I had a little more time, I was also
trying to say, you know, this was this was a
phenomenal thing because Ashton Forbes actually explained to people the
first few steps in how to create these plasma orbs
and how it is that we now know, well, at

(28:14):
least I now know that the cabal has basically copied
this alien technology and they have done it. But what
I was gonna say is that that Ashton Forbes, basically
he can explain all these steps, but he probably can't
go too far down that road because it's going to

(28:35):
implicate top secret information, like high level top secret information,
and you can't you can't put that out. You can't
put that out because it'll create all kinds of problems.
It's the same reason that President Trump just said that
that he knows what the plasma orbs are, he knows

(28:57):
what the what these super weapons are, these these lsds,
he knows, but he's not gonna say it. He's not
gonna say it. Why is that because he's still a
private citizen technically, and he could he could face consequences
for revealing top secret information because whoever's dealing with this stuff,

(29:17):
they're all using the highest levels of compartmentalized secret information.
So yeah, for that reason, we just we just have
to be careful even.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, let me address that because that's such a great
point honestly, Like there's a lot of people that think
that the ms censer videos are fake or whatever. I'm
just telling you guys, like I think you have a
root awakening, Like we have crazy technology at super advanced
and then figuring out how to make a ball plasma
is actually not that complicated. It really just has to
do with like understanding that space isn't empty, and even

(29:47):
we don't even need space to produce it. Like they're
literally able to produce this plasma just from air. They
can just take like the tiny amounts of hydrogen in
the air, they can just strip those and make their plasmas,
which is absolutely incredible in this this is why I
love that. What you said also, which is important, is
that we probably shouldn't be using the term plasmoids or

(30:08):
ball lightning, that these these are natural phenomenon. This is
what they use to hide what it is. So you
read Eric W. Davis's ball lightning study from two thousand
and two Air Force Research Labs and you're like, what
is this? This is such a weird ball lightning. But
when you actually understand it, you realize they were trying
to figure out how to stabilize plasma so that it

(30:32):
would be stuck like a bubble that you could just
move around, like figure out how to take lightning and
actually turn it into a ball. What is lightning? Lightning
is a huge amount of energy, a huge amount. So
then what are these drones? If you can turn a
ball of lightning into a drone, like you said, it's
a large super weapon drone, or it's at minimum of

(30:52):
a super weapon drone, maybe a plasma super weapon drone.
And this is the part where I wanted to ask
you about the cyber truck guy. I don't know if
you've been read it or read about the Matt Livelsburger stuff,
but because this is potentially what we're talking about is
potentially like higher than nuclear weapons secret stuff. Yeah, you

(31:14):
could see why there would be whistleblowers, like people if
Matt Livelsburger was a real whistleblower and he's coming out
and saying we're in this war with China over this
drone technology and it's got unlimited payload capability, that could
be a real whistle blower. What are your thoughts on
any of that? And on the cyber truck guy.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know, the cyber truck guy. It's when you have
the FBI in its current state basically going in there
and covering up everything, I mean, covering up everything, then
it's it's difficult to it's difficult to really form opinions
about these cases when we don't have any real information.

(31:57):
I mean, we have the guy's name, we have some
other things, but we don't have there's no investigation there
because obviously the FBI and others who are working these cases,
they're just in They see themselves as being in charge
of the cover up. That's it. So that's all they're doing.
So it just makes it it makes it very difficult

(32:18):
to deal with that, you know, except maybe not on
the most speculative level that you can, but on the
speculative level, I mean, we can see that it looks
like this is not the same guy. It's not the
same guy. It's it looks like his wife has been saying,
you know, that's not him, that's not him, and it

(32:40):
looks like he actually was was basically an American hero
trying to trying to prevent a cry a terrible catastrophe
here in America. That's what it looks like. And it
looks like some operators, some black ops operators probably or
try to implicate him in this. In this case, as

(33:01):
far as we can tell, which basically was just it
just seems to be the whole thing with the cyber
Trump appears to be basically just a symbolic operation being
run against Trump and Elon. Trump and Elon because they
because it was purely symbolic, they went in there, they

(33:23):
put a giant bomb that wasn't big enough to kill anyone,
so they weren't so that wasn't the aim. Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well, that's the part is that he could have taken
out way more people. This is an important note, is
that like he's in the middle of Vegas, if he
if this guy wanted to, he could have just ran
people over.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Let alone.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
They could.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yes, yes, they could have destroyed the entire front of
that building if they had wanted, but obviously they didn't
want to. So that's why I'm saying it looks to
me like it was just a message from the cabal
to UH, to Trump and and Elon in the same
moment where you have those two symbols side by side
and being blown up somewhat in general, and that's all

(34:05):
it appears to be to me, that's all it was.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
So if that's you know what, like, I'm not even
discounting that theory. If the email is real and he
really is blowing the whistle and anti gravity drones, then
to me, that's what the message is. The messages of
warning to Elon and to Trump saying like, hey, you
better not talk about this, these large super weapon drones
or plasma super weapon drones that we have because this

(34:29):
technology is next level and it's multifaceted. Like, yes, there's
the destructive capability, but this is also just a ball
of unlimited energy practically, which could you know, change our
entire look at the lights all around us, it could
change everything about our civilization all at once.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
And that's the other area that you work too, zero
And that's why.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Stuff like I think these things are tapping into the
zero point energy field in a way that like would
change physics and our understanding of physics. And and I
think that's part of the cover up too, is that
they have to cover up all this stuff because if
any one thread becomes unraveled. And that's the part I
want to ask you about the cover up side. I mean,
you're a former FBI agent, and you just said, like

(35:13):
you think that the FEDS and the FBI are like
presenting a false narrative. Is that something you've seen firsthand
where there's been like the call from up top or
just somebody wanted to play you know, they're politically unclined
to present a certain narrative. Have you seen that?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Absolutely? I've seen that very much so during my career.
I can tell you I can tell you one specific
instance when and I don't know if you would remember this,
but it was the flight tw A eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh I remember the.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Shores of Long Island, I believe, and it was it
was crazy what happened there. That's one of the cases
that I can I will never get into specifics of it,
but I can tell you that it fit into that
category that you just mentioned, where it was all the
investigators were investigating in one direction, being led in one direction,

(36:09):
being showing, and the witnesses were all telling the telling
what we what looked to us like the absolute truth
of what happened. And then there was a call from
the President's office and it went directly to our to
the FBI director, and basically he said, you're not going

(36:32):
to investigate this any further in this direction. Uh, you're
going to find what I want you to find. And
that's it. And that was the first time I saw
up close an entire organ intelligence organization just be shut
down basically in their search for truth, completely shut down,

(36:55):
and basically we all had to salute and do exactly
what the present is said to do and again, and
that's one that I can't ever get into specifics on
because there were so many families that lost their loved
ones in that and who have I've never been given
satisfactory answers on that.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
And that's crazy, man, thirty people on that plane too.
That's so bizarrely similar to the image three seven zero incident,
Like it's so weirdly similar, because God, it's I didn't
know you think you were going to bring up a
story like that, because the Image three seven zero incident,
when I first started investigating it, the first thing I

(37:38):
realized there's clearly a cover up at play, Like the
way people are acting, the way they're obfuscating information, the
way they would do press conferences, and the families are
freaking out and crying, and the officials are like just
saying like they're getting asked, like basic questions like can
a plane just disappear? And they're like, well, that'll come

(37:59):
out in the court or to the investigation. You're like,
what do you mean? Like does this makes sense? If
like you're running an open, transparent investigation where you're trying
to get to the truth. So that scares me because
the reason why that statement is so important, Uh, John,
in my opinion is that there's a lot of people
And going back to that UFO question I asked you

(38:21):
about the various factions, I think there's a lot of
people out there that don't think the government is capable
of doing something like that, and that the government is
good and wouldn't lie to you, wouldn't present a fake narrative,
you wouldn't have the media control it. But it's more invasive,
isn't it Where they are like specifically guiding you down
a path to come to conclusion that they want you

(38:42):
to come to, right, Like is that how you would?
How do you think they do it?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
They do it with pressure, They do it with a culture,
an entire culture ecosystem that lets you know, like for instance,
and I'll just tell you this way in the in
the the case of the t W A flight eight hundred. Uh,
they didn't. They didn't need to pass out a lot

(39:07):
of n d a's NDA non disclosure agreements because as
an FBI agent, you were you were basically told by
the chain of command, Uh, you better not pursue this,
you better not pursue this, and you better not make
any noise because if you do, that's that's all they
needed to do, And that's all they needed to the

(39:29):
chain of command just let you know that in those
uncertain terms, no needs for NDAs, no NDA's here.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
And you can and you can bet we will never
find out the truth of that case until that particular
United States President is on his deathbed. Maybe then maybe
at that moment will be the only time that we
will possibly get the truth of what happened there. And yeah,

(39:57):
that's a pretty regular thing. And I want people to
know the reason why Ashton Forbes is a national treasure
is because he is the rarest kind of animal there
is out there, an independent scientist who will find the
truth and hold on to it no matter what, against

(40:18):
all kinds of resistance, even from the scientific community themselves.
And if all you need to do is look at
this case, the MH nine seventy plane that.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Disappeared seventy year close.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, I want to get that right. The MH three
seventy plane and the video of the orbs, the orb
plasmas that were circling in and all that, and to
have the strength of character to look at that and
say that was real, That was real and no matter what,
no matter how many people come after you, no matter
I mean that the character that shows is it just

(40:59):
shows that Ashton, you will be a legendary figure in
the counter culture, which is what we It's just what
we absolutely and I truly believe that.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
To the point too that you bring up is that's that,
like you're the incentive structures are part of the problem.
I think that when you really dig down to it,
all these people have incentive structures, Like if you're in
the government, you you listen to your boss. If you don't,
then you're not going to get a promotion, you're not
going to get a career bump. If you're an academia,
if you go against mainstream academia, then you get blackballed.

(41:34):
I spoke to Navy engineer Salvage Pais about this as well,
and he says, like you have to realize I come
from the academic world, where like I'm judged based on
peer view papers and all this sort of stuff. I
don't have those restrictions on me because I'm just a
social media guy. I can research this stuff. I can
present my opinions and it doesn't matter what people think,

(41:55):
and if people don't want to believe it's real whatever,
I don't have to worry about that, which I love.
And that's why I like doing this podcast too, because
I can talk to other people and who cares if
you don't like it too bad? You know, I think
that stuff's going to be real, and I want to
talk to other people who have also had similar experiences
like you, you've either you know, been exposed to stuff
where like it's opened your mind, you know, in the
same way, and that we can like figure this out

(42:18):
and try to figure out what's the nature of this.
Because this leads to my next question then, is like
I'm convinced we've figured out how to make these balls
of plasm I've spoken to enough engineers, watched enough clips
of other Black Project engineers on the videos, and I'm
convinced they've figured out a way to turn them into
some kind of super weapon where you jam them together
and it you know, like that happen on that video,

(42:39):
vaporizes a plane, vaporizes a building, a ship, something like that.
And that scares the heck out of me because I go, Damn,
I could just imagine scaling that up and now you
can have like there's no there's no limit how powerful
something like that could be. And I look at that
compared to where we're at right now, and I'm like, Damn,
that's really really beyond where the public really think we're

(43:00):
at right now, Like how do you cross that bridge
and how do you try to interact with people when
you're like, no, we got stuff that's like way more
bans And do you agree that we figured it out?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Oh? Absolutely we did. I can tell you way back
in two thousand and eleven, I had a similar experience
to the one that you had with the MH three
to seventy plane flight. And it was in twenty eleven
January twenty eighth, we had an incident called the and

(43:32):
it's called the Dome of the Rock UFO in Israel
in it's Jerusalem, actually in Jerusalem, Israel, and it was
the Dome of the Rock UFO and it happened to
us while we were doing an operation, transnational operation and
on the ground, our operators on the ground they told

(43:54):
us from Israel, they said to us basically, whatever operation
we're working on, they said, okay, this is canceled. We
just had alien visitors just arrived in Jerusalem at two
in the morning. At two in the morning on a Saturday,
and this was And if you go to my YouTube page,

(44:16):
my YouTube page which is John x Desusa on YouTube,
and I actually have the best video of it. It's
a collection, it's multi view cameras, several different sources of
the same incident. And that's why they call it Dome
of the Rock UFO, because in the middle of the

(44:37):
night in Jerusalem, you had this plasma orb that came
out of the sky and just came down and settled
right over the Dome of the Rock, which is a
very famous religious religious site, and they just settled right
there and it just held there and everyone in Jerusalem.

(44:59):
It was a Saturday night, and there were a lot
of people out too. Everyone was tourists, locals, everybody was
out apparently, and they all saw it and they all
filmed it too. A lot of them did and that's
what I put on my YouTube as well. I filmed it.
I showed the film from six different angles, six different angles,

(45:20):
including a weather camera that was up that night that
recorded the exact same thing. The dome. The plasma orb
settled over the dome of the rock. It stood there
for maybe just like ten seconds, ten seconds, twenty seconds,
and then it gave off a flash of energy that

(45:43):
covered it went through all of Jerusalem. It gave off
this flash of energy and then it just went straight
up into the air and it just disappeared at a
speed that was difficult to gauge.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
You know, the flash of energy thing is really interesting
because because one of the things I found is that
that Emagery seven zero video has a flash of energy,
a flash of light that gets given off in it. Now,
I was wonderful, is that a science thing? Like I
didn't know anything about it. This turns out we've got
these virtual photons all around us all the time, and
if you pack too much electromagnetic energy, or if you

(46:20):
push the electromagnetergy out, it releases real photons from nothing
from the vacuum. So basically you can pull real photons
out with a huge amount of electromagnetic energy, and so
that explains what we might be seeing when these orbs
or craft are able to, uh, you know, break through

(46:40):
the light limit or whatever you want to call it.
I don't think we have a term for it just yet,
but the Shwinger limit, I guess maybe. So that might
be a reason for why you were seeing some of that.
So it sounds like this was your experience where you
kind of woke up and realized, oh boy, there's like
something major going on in this world that you haven't
been privy to. Is that true?

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Absolutely? And when I saw that, and then when I
saw all the different camera angles, the different people videotaping
the same thing. You know, you're always supposed to check
different various independent sources that are not colluding, they're not
working with each other, but they all duplicate the exact
same thing. That's when you know you're looking at something

(47:21):
true here. But then what we were told back in
the States when this happened, I had an individual we
always called him the smoking man, and he was a
person who was from the global structure and he always
showed up with either he was a State Department employee,
it was CIA employee. Different things but he would always

(47:43):
show up and tell us what was really going on.
And this guy he showed up, his name was well,
the name he used at that moment was Millsuit, and
he came in and he would just smoke in public
areas where you were not allowed to smoke, and then
he would tell us. He'd say, yeah, I heard about
that operation you guys are working, and that the aliens

(48:05):
have arrived in Jerusalem as of today, and he said
don't And because we were all excited, we were like, Okay,
the next morning, this is gonna be everywhere. It's gonna
be millions of hits. It's gonna be insane that everyone's
gonna know. And he told us basically another one and

(48:25):
he said, by the morning. We have different shops that
are out there always monitoring everything, and their whole purpose
is to make sure that the public doesn't find out
about anything that is genuinely paranormal or alien in nature.
So what they do is they do duplicates of whatever happened.

(48:46):
Let's say this Dome of the Rock thing, and they'll
do their own duplicates so that the algorithm will catch
on to their version.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Of what was not not the real thing.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Like, for instance, if someone gets the like when the
Patterson h video of Bigfoot, you know, came out well
at the same time, and he told us, these are
CIA shops. These are shops that because the because the Illuminati,
the cabal, are terrified that we will get real information

(49:23):
about real supernatural topics. So they have these shops that
actually wait for something to come out, and when they
see it, their analysts create duplicates and they'll so that
they grab control of the algorithm, and they'll show a
guy in a in a Bigfoot outfit, you know, that
looks really crappy and really garbage y, and they'll just

(49:45):
have him fooling around and then you'll say, and then
that will take over the algorithm from the Patterson Gimli
or Patterson Gimbli video, So that when millions of people
the next day rush to go see the dome of
the Rock Ufo dome in the Rock Ufo, they'll actually
encounter the CIA shot made video that shows some bright

(50:09):
red thing moving through Jerusalem, and they'll say that looks
very very fake, very cgi very nonsensical. And so that
all those millions of people the next day that are
trying to see this video. They won't see the actual video,
the videos that I.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Don't have upload story related to that. And before I do,
I want to say something that was about the smoking
man comment, like isn't that just the best like fu
to be Like a smoking man shows up that doesn't
care about smoking laws, smoking cigarettes in a public building
where he's not allowed to smoke, and he's just telling

(50:48):
you about Yep, the aliens came and you're like, crap,
is this gonna make the front page news? Nope, it's
not gonna make the news at all, not even gonna
make page six. Like, sorry, we control everything, and everything's
a lie. We manage your entire perception. And just the
fact that he's smoking in a non smoking area shows
he's just like above the law, you know, like the

(51:10):
rules are for the little people, they're not for the
people like me.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Right, he was, And he would explain that to us
all the time. He would say, you guys are idiots.
You think that we can let this information out to
the little people. He said, what do you want to
You want to destroy society? Is that what you guys want?
And we'd be like, no, we're investigators. We want the
truth to be found and then we want to give

(51:33):
the truth to other people. He said, that's exactly why
you're idiots. That's what he told me. And then the
next day we found out that everything he said happened
exactly as he said. And I've ever since then, I have.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Had a very been believer.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I've been had a terrible, terrible time trying to show
people that this twenty eleven dome of the Rock UFO
was real. It was absolutely real, and it looks just
like the don't the plasma orbs. It's exactly a precursor
of those the plasma orbs.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
This is what I want to talk to you because
a lot of videos are just too they're not compelling enough,
no matter what, even with six angles. I mean, I've
got two videos of a plane that's a real plane
that's still missing today that are military videos and infrared
and thermal from two different angles, and people are still going, well,
it's cgi. It's like people will make up any excuse

(52:26):
to not believe something. But this is why, like for me,
I took it to the next levels like, okay, well
if that's real, then I need to understand is the
science real? Whereas that cumbering must be out there somewhere.
I found out it was all just hidden in plain sight.
And that's what really started to spook me when I
started finding the science and I'm like, oh, here it is.
You just intersect these laser beams attosecond lasers and you

(52:48):
can produce plasma. It's like, oh, it's just out there.
Because then I'm like, how have they been hiding all this?
How are there people not figuring it out? And then
you find people like you and other people I found
that are like, oh they have been, but only a
small number of people. Most people are just kind of asleep.
And you're right about the disinformation. I think it's even
more nefarious than what you said about it. I strongly

(53:10):
suspect that there is a video of the us USS
Columbia the shuttle that this like burnt up on re
entry in two thousand and three. There's a very weird,
old looking video on the Internet that looks like what
NASA would be looking through a camera at there destroyed

(53:31):
shuttle in outer space. It looks just like if the
gravity looks exactly correct, and then at the end it
just has it like somebody come on, just says the
faking hoaxer and it says this was CGI, and it
almost looks like the government just took the real video
and they just added this imaginary person to it, pretending
to make the video.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
That's exactly what they did.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
They do all the time, right, all that covers up
the real video. And now anybody that looks at it
just goes, oh no, oh, that person claimed to have
faked it, and you're like, well, you're like that would
be a lot of work, Like that's like better than
Angley's Gravity or was it Angry to make Gravity? Whatever
made that movie Gravity with Sunder Bullock in it? Like this,
whoever made this has that kind of effect? Can I

(54:14):
watch them? Is there a video of them making that?
This video? Because it's pretty damn impressive. And that's what
I asked about the m S three seven zero videos too,
where I'm going like, if this is fake, who made it?
Show me the I want to see a video of
somebody making this, because it looks impossible when you look
at the details.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, And that's what I don't ask that because then
they'll go and they'll reverse engineer it and they'll do
exactly that.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I know what. Let me just jump in there because
I thought that would happen. Like over a year ago,
I thought that the play that would happen after I
realized this stuff's real, and I have this shock like
you've had as well, where I'm like, oh, crap, they
like really trying to cover this stuff up, and they've
been covering it up. I was like, the next thing
they're gonna do is they're going to have somebody come
out and like claim to have made the video and

(55:05):
make like some recreation based on it, you know, and
then it'll be so good that people will be like, oh,
obviously they did it. But you know what, it never happened.
Nobody was ever able to recreate the videos. I thought
for sure that was their next play, right.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
But the only reason that they didn't do that is
because they're trying to show how not worried they are
about you. It's breaking through with this thing. That's what
I think.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
The answer is. That's so crazy. I think they like
they're just not afraid, like I have. General somebody told me,
literally General Joseph Dunford. You guys can look him up
Lockheed Martin Board of Directors. Now, he is the guy
that started Space Force under Trump. He's like one of
the he was the top rank military personal person for

(55:53):
like four years until twenty nineteen. I got a source
that told me, like he saw the videos and like
didn't lie at them. You know, like people just ignore that.
These people aren't afraid. They're not afraid at all, Like
they know that nobody's gonna believe this no matter what.
It doesn't matter what you got, right.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, So that's that's what it is. Like like the
Turkey have you ever seen the Turkey UFOs?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Uh? The one my favorite one one where they zoom
in on it and you guys got a super nice camera.
You're like, that's the kind of stuff we need.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
But that's another one they never really tried to fake.
And it's for the same reason. It's because they just
are so confident and they just believe that you'll never
break through to millions and millions and millions with this thing.
That's that's what it is. Because I've i've I've shown
that Turkey UFO uh videos and again that's also on

(56:46):
my YouTube. People can go see it, uh, and it's
it's various the best versions of it, because there are
numerous versions of the Turkey US.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
For the problem is, like even those videos and that's
a great one when guys us really high, really high
quality camera with super powerful digital or super powerful zoom,
so we can get this really high quality video. But
even in those videos, especially because now we're realizing it's
plasma and like plasma orbs are this thing, You're just
seeing a ball of light. So a lot of the
debunker skeptic people are just going, oh, well, you're looking

(57:18):
at a star or something, because it looks identical to
what a star would look like. But that's just because
it's a plasma ball. So now you're like, oh, this
is why the military is filming an infrared and thermal
because this is how you see more information as opposed
to the optical spectrumen you're just looking at a pinpoint
of light. And when I started to realize that, I'm like, oh,
now the puzzle pieces are really coming together. Because I

(57:40):
wondered when those tic TAC videos, the nimens, all those
videos come up, like why is this all like forward
looking infrared. I didn't even know what that meant back then,
and now compared to what I know now, I'm like, oh,
well that's nothing compared to what we got now. I'm like,
we got video coverage of everything. So do you think
that we're like filming and seeing a bunch of UFOs
in the sky and just not telling the world and

(58:01):
we've got like a repository of videos out there.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
The genuine UFOs. Yeah, sometimes they we are seeing them.
But right now I'd say about ninety nine percent of
what we are seeing observing recording are all these fake
UAPs that are man made. They are these super weapon

(58:28):
drones that are again man made, And even the plasma
orbs that we are seeing, ninety of them, I would say,
are basically just man made. And there's a chance that
even the plasma orbs are somehow created, even by the

(58:48):
drones themselves somehow, because these drones appear to have zero
point energy. They appear to have because if you observe them,
there's there's no propulsion, there's no know, there's no visible means,
there's no infrared signal, there's no heat signature, there's nothing
that is conventionally human in that. But at the same

(59:11):
at the same time, we've had a couple of congressmen
whose whose names I try not to say, who have
been in on all the briefings. They've been read into
everything and they have and they have said, uh, these
drones have components. A couple of these drones were shot
down amazingly by by plasma orbs supposedly, and they have

(59:31):
been shut down, they have been grabbed by the US military,
and there has been a lot of examination, and both
of these congressmen, separately on different occasions, both have said, yeah,
these drones have components from China. They have components.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
I'm gonna ask you about that next. So you think
China has this technology figured out?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Now, not that would be the worst case scenario, but
but what they also said was uh, And you had
people like Gordon Chang watches China and the CCP very carefully,
and one of the things that he said is that
if if China is involved in this, uh, there's there's

(01:00:14):
probably many other enemies of America also involved in this
in these uh these super weapon drones as well, so
that it's not any one country that's involved with this.
But you know, we're gonna find out more about this
the day after inauguration because Trump has promised that he
is going to let the cat out of the bag,

(01:00:36):
which also gets kind of more bizarre because because it's
like it's almost like Trump is goading them into using
these drones against him at the inauguration because he's saying,
if I get inaugurated, I'm gonna let the whole cat
out of the bag the day after. So you guys

(01:00:56):
have just one shot, one shot, like a like eminem sense,
you got one shot, just one shot to grab everything
you ever wanted. Will you let it? Will you let
it slip?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Set? Uh No, Yeah, that's a good point because it
does seem like I I'm actually on board with this
narrative that like the cabal is the deep state is
afraid that Trump is going to clean house on them.
And this is what I think a lot of people
will realize too, is like, yes, you only appoint certain positions,
but those people are basically your boss of the entire

(01:01:31):
you know, three letter agency. And like you just pointed out,
there's a lot of control and power that comes over
that in terms of top down decision making that occurs
in terms of what you can investigate in what you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
So and you probably you probably know this too. Uh.
We had another Congressman up Burchett from Tennessee who said,
who said that these these things that are being created, Uh,
he said, there is absolutely involvement in creating these lsds,

(01:02:04):
these large super weapon drones. He said, there is involvement
from McDonald, Douglas, Rayfon, skunk Works, and all of these companies,
which I've got news for you, guys, they're not American.
You may think that they're American. I'm talking to your
audience and people Normans. They think that these are these

(01:02:25):
things are American. They're not. They serve the global superstructure,
and they serve the global industrial weapons complex and military
industrial complex. That's what they serve. They have no care
for what happens to America whatsoever. And that's why we
had a Congressman Burchett who said the other day, he said,

(01:02:46):
those companies are completely involved in building these things, you know,
in addition to China and whoever else.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Is also it's scary because who are the investors in
those companies than those are the people who are really
the and so the company could be American, but the
investors can be from any where you want potentially, So
it makes a big difference. And then what two more
companies that are now being exposed just in the last
few days, but Tel Institute, they get ten billion dollars

(01:03:13):
per year, all from the federal government. There are nonprofit
and they run all the Department of Energies labs across
the entire country, all our super secret labs. But tell
Institute all federal money, non for profit. Also Aerospace Corporation
also a non for profit, all federal money one point
two billion dollars last year. All they do is basically

(01:03:36):
hire scientists and then they contract them out to like
Lockeing Martin whatever to do secret projects. So all of
these things are buried with what career would call use apps,
unacknowledged special access programs that basically there's no oversight too.
And this is how they hide it all where you
know it's under these it's federal money going to private

(01:03:57):
corporations where then immune from four and so it's like
this very nefarious configuration of how it's all set up.
But I'm also skeptical that Trump will deliver all the goods,
Like I think he'll come out and say like, either yes,
it was our drones or he'll say like it was
China's drones. Whatever. We know, because we know we've got
we've got surveillance capabilities. We know, But I don't think

(01:04:20):
he's gonna come out and say, yes, we've got free
energy or plasma orbs that can annihilate the planet. Like
I don't think he's gonna say go that far, which
is how if it was you or me, we would
probably you know, large super weapon drones. But for him,
I think that's where he's gonna draw it short, because
it is national security, like it literally is, you know,

(01:04:40):
And that's where it's like when you said, I don't
want China to have this. This is why everybody was
on me when it came to the drone stuff and
the cyber truck guy. Because the whole narrative I've been
presenting of m A three seven zero is that we're
preventing China from getting this technology. And I think that
we could justify some pretty evil acts in order to

(01:05:01):
prevent China from getting large super weapon drone technology. Would
you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Absolutely. The reason that all of this is breakaway technology
that is used by the deep state that's a better
word than cabal the state, and the deep state is
just the American subsidiary of the cabal. But it's a
good way to put it. But all of this breakaway
technology is owned by the Deep State, which is also

(01:05:32):
closely associated with the military industrial complex, which is global.
It is not American, it is global. I'm talking about
the Pentagon and many other subsidiaries of that as well.
They're all global. They're intimately connected with the deep State.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
And I do want to ask about this, which is
the origins of this technology, in your opinions on it,
because when I started digging into like the whole non
human intelligence thing, I found out there there is dozens
of options, everything from beings living under the water and
under the earth, extraterrestrials and interdimensional beings. Some people were

(01:06:10):
saying that these plasma orbs could be like gin or
angels or you know, things like that, ai as being
some of the options as well. Like there were so
many options, I was like, man and then also just
the breakaway civilization option, which also has its own splinter scenarios,
which is where I'm kind of leaning right now. But

(01:06:31):
I'm honestly open minded to like really any option. Oh
there's also I don't want to forget the option of
like we dug up some ancient technology from a previous
civilization that was on this planet too, and then figured
out from there where what is your research kind of
shown and where you think this is all coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I think that the proof that all this technology is hoarded,
grabbed by held onto by the same the same people.
It is the deep state, It is the cabal that
sees themselves as in charge of the nations, because if

(01:07:09):
that wasn't the case. And what that really means is
that whenever we find this alien technology Antarctica Base, let's say,
or something like that, you'll have the Cabal will swoop
in there with their forces to make sure they get
they grab every bit of that technology. That's how it happens.
That's how it always goes on. And the reason that

(01:07:30):
we know today that that's how it happens is because
none of the nations, the United States, China, has not
used this technology against another nation in a large sense
at all. It's never happened. And the only reason it's
never happened is because the Cabal is very careful about

(01:07:51):
that not to allow any unlimited access to the any
only one nation to this stuff, because if they did,
the nation would we'd be using it against China, China
would be using it against us. And that's a reason
why even if there are Chinese components in these large

(01:08:13):
super weapon drones. I don't I don't believe China has
any control over over this because they.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Like, what if do you think there's an alien species
out there? Do you think they're visiting us? Do you
think they're underwater? You think they look like us? What
do you think about aliens? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
And all those all those patterns have been u been copied,
kind of like like when a serial killer, uh goes
out and does his signature of how he kills people,
but then he gets copycats, fans admirers who end up
copying his exact signature, trying to be exactly like him,

(01:08:52):
and they go out and they do the same the
same types of murders. That's what we're looking at here
where I see where they want us to believe this
is this could possibly be aliens that are accompanying these
large super weapon drones, the orbs and plasmas. They're not,
They're absolutely not not at this point anyway. I mean,
there is a chance that later we could get some

(01:09:16):
alien involvement with this situation if it just gets out
of hand, and that's one of the things We're gonna
see which way it goes. Once the large the LSD's
are exposed for what they are.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
So you're saying that we've figured out these super weapons
potentially based on alien technology, copying this other technology, and
that maybe we're being monitored as like little children playing
around with toys. Make sure we don't mess around too much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
I like that. Yes, that's exactly correct, and I do
believe they're watching very closely. And it depends on what
actually which way we go with this, You know, as
long as you know whoever is using the drones doesn't
go whole sale to just destroy another society with them.

(01:10:12):
When that happens, I think higher powers are going to
have to get involved. That's how I think we're looking
at it now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I think so we Do you think that they are
gonna just like teleport out of nowhere and appier? Do
you think they're going to come out of the water.
Do you think they're gonna come from outer space or
where do you think they would come from.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I think they're going to come from the same place
they always come from, from these portals that are created
all over the Earth. Because this is a multi dimensional reality,
our existence with whatever alien visitors, there are the real ones,
the genuine ones. I think they've always used portals that

(01:10:51):
come here because they're not from outer space. They don't
lock themselves in tin cans and sail across from planet
to planet. None of that happens. Actually, just use portals
to come true and to do their deeds, and then
they go back.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
That's the scariest thing, though, isn't it. Like if you know,
all the movies are like, oh, it's like Independence Day,
the ship's gonna come flying down us. But what if
instead they just instantly appear out of nowhere right like
all of a sudden, there's just ships everywhere, right on
top of us. Like that would be way scarier, and
I think a better reflection of the relative difference in technology.

(01:11:28):
Like we always look at everything through a lens of
our own technology, But a civilization that's a million years
more advanced than us, it has access to the zero
point energy all around us that can build a material
at the atomic layer and make basically any property they want,
They're going to look at us like ants. We're like
little ants to them. At least in my opinion, I

(01:11:49):
think it's a little sad that humans think we're so
advanced when we're probably just cave men messing around compared
to some more advanced civilization. So so I guess, like,
I don't know, I think that's a good thought. Like
I think that they wouldn't care about us, so they
probably just watching and like, you know, see what the
kids are doing until they mess up, because we're so

(01:12:09):
just far beneath them at this point. But so if
you favored a certain opinion on where they were coming from,
so then you would say that they could be coming
from pretty much anywhere, right because of the portal situation,
Like it doesn't pretty much they're saying that our reality
is so you would have subscribed to the multi universe,
multi reality timeline or time situation where you can just

(01:12:33):
like jump between potential realities. There might be multiverse of
realities going on at once. Is that your your thought process?

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Yes? Or they could be coming from Earth itself in
a different time period as well, so that's a movement
in a different direction, but still multi dimensional as well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yes, I mean, okay, that's what I want to understand
was what your perspective of multi dimensional was. And I
totally agree with your perspective on there. I'm not personally
convinced that we've got like a multi universe thing going on,
but I haven't ruled it out. I just don't have
enough data to assume. I think the ways to look
at it, in my opinion, are one either time is
deterministic where we don't really have free will and everything
was always predestined to be or like what you said

(01:13:13):
with multi universe, where like everything's happening slightly differently in
different universes and you can kind of slide between them
based on your decisions. I think they're both really interesting theories,
and I think they opened the door to time travel,
which is potentially important when we're talking about this stuff
with portals, because like if you go through a portal
and now you're on the other side of the universe, Like,

(01:13:34):
how does that work with time? And like if you
come back through the portal, is it like a Narnia
situation and now it's like a thousand years later or
is it you know, you come back through and it's
a normal time again. I don't know. It's pretty interesting.
Any thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Time Einstein was real or whether he was just something
that was put together by the powers that existed at
the time in order to make us believe certain things.
So I think I think the best answers on that
probably lies with Tesla and his writings, and I think

(01:14:09):
we need to comb over those with a fine tooth comb,
and that will give us a lot more insight than
any of the other any of the other people that
we look at today. That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I agree a lot. I used to think he was
a mythical character, and then I found out that he
was no really a guy and all the power we
use is based on his inventions. And oh, he thought
that free energy was possible based on radiant energy, which
is now basically just zero point energy, And it's like, oh,
he thought all of this, and we just kind of
ignored it for a hundred years years. One more thought

(01:14:44):
on the alien thing. Here's the thought for you. I
want to get your opinion on these plasma orbs. What
if it turns out they're like really easy to invent?
Like we it only seems hard because we just haven't
thought about trying to make them, But what if if
it turns out like we can make them as easy.
I have this lighter I keep around for examples, and
I think it's ran out of juice, But like, what

(01:15:06):
if we could make a plasm orb as simple as
I can turn this lighter on, right, What if this
was a plasma orb generator and that's all I needed,
and I could just make a plasma orb and then
the plasma orb, just like a bubble, starts floating around
and then eventually it dissipates. But you know, we can
control it moving around. What if it turns out that
that is just some property of the universe, and like

(01:15:28):
any civilization that once you figure that out, now you've
just moved up, like the scale from like you know,
cave men figuring out fire, this is like fire cavemen
figuring out electricity. Like that's how much you would jump up.
The reason why I wanted to get your opinion on
is this is because, like you said, like we're making
our own artificial version of these What if these aliens

(01:15:50):
that are out there, whatever any non human intelligence worth,
they figure out how to make them too, and that
you know, progressed created this huge growth in technological advance
for any civilization. Do you think that's a theory that
makes sense to you? You like that theory?

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yes, it does. It does very much suck, And I
think it's very possible that we can create plasmas in
the way that you're saying. However, the adendum I would
add to that is that it really looks like there
would be a point where these plasmas, these orbs would

(01:16:27):
become sentient, would become alive, and then you'd have the
problem of well, if they do become alive, then what
if they become independent, independent of the creator, and are
able to run around and do whatever they plan to do,
whatever they think is important. See, that's the other factor

(01:16:49):
I think you have to add in because from what
I've seen, there's a lot of these plasma UFOs that
behave kind of like they're alive, like not biological life
in the sense that we know, but there's mechanical life.
There's other types of sentience and life that we are

(01:17:11):
not prepared to understand fully. And I think that would
be the other factor, because then what if you create
these plasma orbs Ashton and then they just decide that,
you know, you're not worthy of being alive or around
because you're just biological and that's not important to them,

(01:17:33):
you know. So I think that's another factor that we
need to add in there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Because I'm one hundred percent all in on what you
just said right there, And I didn't used to be
like a little over a year ago, it was salvageur Pais.
When I first spoke to him, he started talking about
conscious plasma and everything else he was telling me was
so grounded. And I listened to I'm like, hmmm, and
he's telling me about Joseph Ferrell, and I think other

(01:17:57):
people said, uh, crap, Robert temple Book, I forget the
name of it. All talk about this idea of conscious plasma.
And then though, the more you start investigating Tesla and
this idea of this energy all around us, you really
start to wonder, like what is sentience? Like what if
sentience is just a permanent connection to this energy that's

(01:18:20):
out there. I mean, we eat all the time so
that we always have energy in us, and the moment
we stop, well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
We die.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
So why couldn't the ball of plasma, if it has
a permanent connection to that energy field, why couldn't it
be sentient? And the other thing that I tell people too,
anyone that's skeptical of this things iss far and well,
look at all the different types of life we have
on the plant. We have trees and plants, those are
is that sentient. I mean it's alive. We have dogs, animals, fish, squid,

(01:18:51):
all these other types of creatures that are out there,
and human beings and monkeys. To me, it seems like
a pretty logical answer that the connection to this energy
field is life. And then you broach the topic of
like the same problem with AI. What if AI or
a sentient plasma or some combination. Can you imagine that
a sentient AI plasma decides that, well, we're biologic, we're

(01:19:16):
basically just ants and you step on ants, or we're
let's say we're a parasite, and it decides we're a
parasite and we're not in harming enough with the universe
in sides to wipe us out. Like I'm actually terrified
of that. I'm pretty sure at this point, like that's
just guaranteed what's going to happen. Everybody else is going, no, Ashton,
the AI is totally great, blah blah blah, nothing's gonna happen.

(01:19:38):
And I'm sitting going over here, guys like, can we
delete all the AI before it's too late because we're cooked? Guys. Yeah,
so what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Well, the one thing that comforts me is that I
do believe in God, and I do believe that God
of One is God of all. Either you believe in
God or you don't. And that I think that there's
a there's a factor here that one of the reasons why,
for instance, God allowed, for instance, the Ananaki and they're

(01:20:11):
not by any means the only ones, but they allowed
He allowed Ananachi to create new forms of life, which
they did. We have, We have all the recordings all
over Earth when the anaki Uh create and who are
also sometimes referred to as fallen angels Uh, and they
came and they created different forms of life, and they

(01:20:33):
have paintings and frescoes showing them doing this and having
their little battery packs with them and all kinds of
crazy stuff like that. And I think that one of
the things about the creatures that separate from God is
that they always go back to trying to imitate God
and be just like God, which means creating life, creating

(01:20:57):
new life. And so I I think it actually amuses
the creator God to actually let them try to be
like him. I think that's one of the things that
we see going on. And that's why this conversation is
so important about the plasma orbs getting consciousness and AI

(01:21:20):
getting consciousness. And I think that sort of thing is
going to be allowed. It's going to be allowed because
it somehow it amuses God to watch us and watch
others try to be just like him. I think that's
what we're facing here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Well, he made us in his image, so it makes sense, right,
I mean, that's the whole point. And that's what scares
me too about this idea that maybe it is all
just a simulation, and where a simulation that another life
form created, that another life form created, and eventually you
get up to God. You know, that's also a solution
to the answer. And so it's like, oh man, maybe
we are in a simulation. We're like three simulations deep

(01:21:59):
already right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Because you read Thomas Campbell My Big Toe.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
No I haven't, but obvious alike, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Check him out because h Thomas Campbell is a physic
physicist and he's kind of like quantum. I don't know
if they call themselves quantum, but he's like a quantum physicist.
He's brilliant, brilliant thinker, and he's the one who wrote
My Big Toe My Theory of Everything, Uh, and he's
just he's just amazing, and he says he can just

(01:22:33):
take a few steps to prove to you, and he
does in this book to prove to you that you
are in a similar simulation that may be exactly like
what you describe. Uh So, he's just he's just a
brilliant guy. That's one of the few scientists. You know.
I don't know anything about science, but I know, but
I'll tell you what. I am an investigator, and I

(01:22:55):
and I'm an investigator, and I know. What I do
know is when people are lying to me or when
they're telling me the truth. And I find most scientists
are kind of like used car salesmen trying to sell lemons,
and they're just trying to feed you all kinds of nonsense.
And I don't need to know a lot about science
to say to myself, this guy's just making this bullshit up.

(01:23:17):
He's just making shit up. He's just it's this nonsense.
And when I hear somebody like Thomas Campbell or yourself,
I can say, Wow, these guys they're telling the truth.
They're committed to the truth, they're convicted by the truth,
and that really makes all the difference in the world.
And it's the reason why I've only trusted a few

(01:23:40):
people as scientists throughout the years, like Nicole Tesla McKenna,
Thomas Campbell, and very few others, and I recommend it's
a good way to be Just find out if they're
telling you the truth, that's first. That's the most important thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Yeah, And I think that's a good note to end
it on for our discussion today. So I just want
to thank you John Desusa, a former FBI agent, having
this conversation with me talking about the deep state, corruption,
plasma orbs and aliens and all this fun stuff. I mean,
I'm just blessed to be on this earth be able
to talk to fun people like you, and I do

(01:24:20):
want to say it is really important that we talk
about this plasma orb stuff. I think we're going to
be vindicated in the future and it's we're going to
find out they do have these plasma orbs that are
drones that have basically unlimited payload capability, and that's going
to usher in like potentially a new Cold War and
a new way of thinking for all of humanity. So

(01:24:40):
thank you for being an influencer of these ideas and
pushing these ideas out there to other people on podcasts
because I strongly believe we're an information war and that
the only way we win is by getting the ideas
out there, especially on alternative media. So thank you, John.
Go ahead and say whatever you want to say, and
you can shout out your books and where people can

(01:25:01):
find you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah, thanks so much, Ashton. It is so awesome to
be here with you. And yes, people can find me
at My website is John tamilbooks dot com. And I
would urge people, especially right now, to just take a
look at my book, The Extra Dimensionals, because it goes
into everything that's happening right now. It was written many years,

(01:25:25):
it was written years ago, but what happened, what's in
that book is everything that's happening right now. And I
just want people to just I mean, just your get
your personal assistant to read you the notes at least
and put that together for you, and just so you
can have some idea of what's actually happening, because right

(01:25:45):
now we're on the cusp of possibly use these large
super weapon drones, possibly going kinetic against us, and we're
going to see what happens at the inauguration. I would
ask people don't go to the inauguration and just watch
it on your television. Just watch it on TV and
don't go there because we're in a very, very dangerous

(01:26:07):
time and we need to make sure as many of
us survive as possible. That's what we're looking at right here.
Thanks again, Ashton, great being welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Thank you very much, sir. This was another episode of
Hardrews Podcast. Check us next time, guys. Later

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