#9 | Dr. Jack Sarfatti (Retro-causality, superconductivity and quantum mechanics)

Discussing Advanced Physics concepts such as quantum mechanics and retro-causality with Dr. Jack Sarfatti. We will delve into how to achieve superconductivity and what this science means for the world.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, and we are live here today with Jack Sarfai.
This is the Hard Trews Podcast with Ashon Forbes. Today
my guest is doctor Jack Sarfai, legendary physicist who's an
author and author of multiple scientific papers advancing the concepts
of quantum mechanics and discovering the secrets of consciousness. Doctor
Jack Sarfadi, thank you very much for being here today.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Nice to be here with you. So I did, David,
I didn't agree about your what does that think it?
I think that disappeared. Maybe it disappeared. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
That makes three seven zero videos. Yeah, we can talk
about these later.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, we talked about that later.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah. Let's jump in though, let's get right into the politics.
I know everybody wants to hear about the politics here today,
So what are your political thoughts?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Go ahead, Jack, Okay, I just uh, I want I
want everybody to know about this important new book by
my friend. My friend and we're almost brothers. We know
each other. Half is fifteen years Oh my god, how
long is it? Almost fifty years? Probably fifty years? Yeah,

(01:07):
Michael Savage and I mean basically we're in great danger,
you know, the America. I believe is now a communist country.
We are under communist domination. The Democrat Party is not

(01:29):
the Democrat Party of Harry Truman. I remember World War Two.
You know, I was born in nineteen thirty nine, so
I remember I remember Harry Truman very well. You know,
it's like five six seven years old. I remember Harry.
I remember them playing the piano. I remember getting pissed off.
Remember Harry getting pissed off or somebody and somebody from

(01:49):
the New York Times, some ship had from the New
York Times that looked with a piece of crap propaganda thing.
Well it was better back then, yeh and some and
this this guy, this guy, a columnist is something from
New York Times, forget his name. He criticized his daughter's
piano playing, and true and just wanted a punch him

(02:14):
in the nose. Is the president of United States. He's
a character. So everybody like, I mean, I like Harry Truman.
I remember Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and everybody loved f the
r though found the sucking battle that wasn't so good
later on, but uh, yeah, we're all very patriotic and
uh and the uh and and I remember of course

(02:36):
jfk Yeah, when he was killed. Uh, but the Democrat
Party today is not the Democrat Party uh before. In fact,
uh John F. Kennedy would be considered, uh, you know,
a right wing terrorist by the communists in the White House.
You know, it's it's getting bad. I mean that we

(02:58):
had the fbibi is knocking on people's doors for what
they're posting on social networks. It's the saucing.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
What would you say to the people, Let's say that
Trump is a fascist. How would you respond to those
kinds of claims?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, now you have to understand something. Everybody who says
Trump is a fascist, they're the fascist. And this is
this is the playbook. I forget the guy's name, Olinsky, Salolensky,
who Hillary Clinton was like a protege, you know, a
deputy of Salinsky and in sala Olinsky in his rules

(03:34):
for radicals on the sixties. And I was part of
that whole thing, and I was brought up, you know,
I was with all the lefties. All my friend's parents
were communists, were in the thirties. They were you know,
card carrying communists literally, you know, like the Rosenbergs, you know,
things like that. So uh, Liskey says, accuse your opponent
of what you were guilty of projection. The fascist's a

(03:56):
fascist they're putting they're putting was it John Eastman? They're
putting him in jail for what? And Hunter Biden walks like,
you know, like he's the son of the mafioso, Hunter,
the crack addict, the piece of shit pedophile.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
What would you say the people that they're saying that
they're protecting democracy by you know, arresting people, they're threatening it.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
They're doing just the opposite, just what I said, just
the opposite. You read George Orwell nineteen eighty four. That's
where we're in. We're in Oceania right now. They're the
Ministry of Truth, Okay. And if people want to ask me,
I mean, I can provide all kinds of details. I
was part of it. I grew up in this thing,
you know. I might you know, with like Bernie Sands,

(04:42):
those people New York City. Yeah, I was part of
the I mean I was the New York Times. They
called me the counter cultural physicists the New York Times
back in the sixties, you know, and they look at
how the hippie saved physics. I was you know, I
went to an IVY eating school, was in the Some
Freedom Party, helped create the Peace and Freedom Party. Uh

(05:04):
call in San Diego. Uh who's the guy? Yeah? It
was well getting my Biden maybe four years old? Right, so,
uh who's the who's that black woman with? It'll be
all right? I don't want to freeze McDonald.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Are you saying that there's kind of a propaganda or
information war going on right now? When you say that
we're in World War three right now? A?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Right? What you're kidding me? Right? I mean you're being
You're not saying it's strong enough that there isn't. I
mean it's obvious that there is. Right, you're being sarcastic,
I think, right.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm just trying to try to press you a little
bit on your convictions.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
So what would you say though, the people that say
like that, you know, we need to censor misinformation and
disinformation because that's harmful to people. What would you say
about that?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah? Well, you know that's first on that they are
the enemies, they are the real enemies, and that they're
they're they're trying to destroy the Constitution in the United States.
That's youah, that destroying the first Amendment amendment. They want
to of course destroy the second Amendment, but that's the
first amendment. But let me just uh quote a little

(06:19):
bit from Michaels Michael's book. Uh just read the let
me just read this some of the chapter headings. Get
an idea. He says, the Civil war is here, the
Biden Baton switched, the leftist insurgency, Stalinists Biden, the new Kulux,

(06:40):
the real armed insurrection of post constitutional society. In any case, uh,
if you go on my x dot com twitter feed,
I put in some important excerpts from this book, and
actually people people in live stream in the chat, they
could look on my twitters team and ask questions based

(07:04):
on what I you know, posted here. So, okay, let's
let's continue.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So what do you think Do you think that there's
a foreign influence in our government? Would you say? Or
do you think it's mostly just from our own our
own officials.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
It's the enemy within. It's it's not glad of me
at Putin. That's bullshit. That next question, Yeah, no, it's
not glad to be people. First of all, let me
explain something. Gladimir Putin is not the enemy of the
United States. The enemy of the United States are the
people sitting in the White House right now and people

(07:40):
are you know, they're the real the enemy within.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Do you think they're the enemies themselves from their own
mindset or do you.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Think, of course that's not of course, of course that
they're all brainwashed. They're mostly brainwa if you want to
what may be? Okay, listen, half the country, half of
the United States, are so crazy, you know what I mean,
the people in the world, I mean all that. I
mean mainly the Democrats, not all Democrats. I mean, I'd

(08:09):
be very happy with RFK. I'd be happy with RFK. You.
I may not agree with everything RFK Junior says, but
he's an intelligent man. He's an honest man. He says
what he thinks, and he's risking his life, you know,
for the country. He's a real patriot. Yeah. I may
not agree with everything he says about COVID. I'm not sure, Glad.

(08:32):
I'm not a doctor. I don't involve myself in the
COVID controversy because I know the limits of my own expertise,
and that's not one of them. Yeah, I talked about
the physics. Okay, uh So Okay, so I asked me
a question, Oh, who's the enemy? So, okay, Russia, Okay, Russia,
Modern Russia is not the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union

(08:53):
was a legitimate enemy. Okay, they were gentlemen. But Vladimir
Putin is that Stalin. He's not Hitler. Anybody says Putin
is Hitler is either very stupid and very ignorant. It
doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about, has no
idea of the history of anything, or is does know
and is a liar as an evil liar, lying bastard.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, did you see the interview between Putin and Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Of course I saw it. Thoughts on that it was
it was great. I mean, okay, I agree on that interview.
I agree with Scott Ritter's analysis of the interview that
Tucker did not really do his homework. I mean, you
know the time that he says, look, who's a schmuck?
You know, I mean, you've got to understand something. The

(09:45):
Russians in general, the people in charge in Russia, very
smart people. They know their history, they have a long view. Okay,
he's a sit well on the old KGB, serious persons,
our people are idiots in comparison. It's like they're paying

(10:05):
you know that they're playing what four dimensional chess and
uh Biden can't even figure out tic tac toe, you know,
well what I mean, Biden, I feel sordo. But it's
a crime. By the reason, Biden is staying in power
because Biden knows that if Trump gets back in, Trump

(10:26):
will do to Biden what Biden's doing to Trump. Lawfare, right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
You know, pendulum as other way, right, Yeah, it'll.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Go the other way. And the point is Biden really
has has committed crimes. Ye Trump. Trump hasn't done anything really,
I mean all the same with the fraud, with the
with inflating the uh the value of Mara Lago and Trump,
whatever the hell that is. First of they all do
it now and and nobody was hurt by it. Nobody

(10:54):
was defrauded. Everybody made money, The bank's made money. Plus
there's a disclaim. There's a disclaimer in the contract that
you know, when Trump or any other real estate person,
uh you know, does try to get alone, there's always
a caveat, and the bank does their own evaluation. They
don't depend on that. So this is all bullshit. It's

(11:16):
all like it's a Stolidus. It's right out of Stalin
that a republic. Yeah, oh yeah, John Stewart see that,
that asshole from the CNN. He's a he's a piece
of ship man. They're all piece of ship. Okay, yeah,
well listen, keep going, Yeah what is that? What the

(11:38):
actor DeNiro? Well, I like, you know, you know, I
come from the same good as DeNiro. We're about the
same age actually, and actually I used to hang out
with Francis sport Copo, you know, when he's doing The
Godfather all that stuff. So yeah, yeah, how de Niro
comes on about Donald Trump, you know, being an evil bastard? Okay,
de Niro, you and I we should you know, we

(12:00):
being den You want you want to you want to talk.
You want to talk good fellas. You want to talk
good fellas. I grew up in Flatbush the fifties. My grandfather,
my grandfather was a friend of Sam Cohen. Right, okay,
you want to talk good fellas. I'll talk good fellas.
It's okay, right, let's go.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Now, you're doing great. I like it. So, you know,
going back to the Vladimir Putin interview, there's a couple
of aspects of that want to discussed with you, and
one will segue into our next conversation. The first is
what do you think about the whole question about the
nord Stream pipeline and how Putin responded saying that it
wasn't necessarily cost beneficial to get into a propaganda war
with the United States. You know, you say that the
Russian people are you know, their government officials are a

(12:39):
lot smarter than ours. How you reconcile that with the
idea that United States potentially has a better propaganda apparatus
or more control over the media than Russia does. And
do you agree with that assessment?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I don't know what the question is a little
ruin here. Just let me try to understand the question. Sure,
when you're saying, uh, does if does America control its
own propaganda? Sure, it doesn't control the Russian, doesn't control
the Russian. Okay, does Russia control us?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I wish they did. Okay, stream, let's spurs up north
stream by norder to NOI? That was about what's his name? Uh?
The uh you know, the guy Hirschfeld, the guy who
wrote the article bien weeks before I said he was

(13:30):
He said he was gonna blow it up, and he did.
He blew it up. I mean, Putin's not gonna blow
up his own pipeline switchers. If he doesn't want the
gas to go to Germany, he just switches it all.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Everybody thinks that, oh, well, we we might have or
you know, they might have done it to themselves, which
seems kind of nonsense.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
So fucking anybody who believes that is that I saw
the Book of Bridge. I mean, that's so fucking stupid.
How could you be so stupid to think that, Well,
you know, that's idiously.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
What about he's keep going, sir, Sorry, what do you
think about Put's claims about super soldiers and hypersonic weapons?
Why do you think he's talking about that so openly?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's all true? Oh well, that's all true. Yeah, In fact,
we have a super soldier program here. I fact, I
I this this guy, this, this guy who I know
who is one of those super soldiers. He's genetically modified. Yeah,
we've had that that sawt in the age. Yeah. In fact,

(14:36):
in fact, when I was in the nineteen eighties, I
was being paid by a chief of station of the
Central Intelligence Agency, Harold Shipman and ship Chip wanted to be.
He introduced me to this guy Joe people. These were
people involved in Iran contract. Uh, you know with the

(14:58):
you know what's the colonel you know what that the
guy the the marine, the marine guy. Thinking that any case,
they wanted me to go to this facility in New Mexico.
I think it was in New Mexico and some mountain
where they were doing among other things, they were doing

(15:18):
the genetic experiments for the super soldiers. Okay, and recently
I met one of these kids. He is a military Actually,
his father worked with General Millie Mark Sture.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I don't remember his name, but yeah, I saw when
you were.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, yes, yeah, Mike Michael. And he's clearly and I
know he knows he is. His mother was his mother
was his mother was you know, his mother was part
of that program. She worked at Los Alamos and stuff
like that. But and he was he's done tours in
Iraq Afghanistani as a soldier and he uh, he got

(15:57):
seriously injured. Yeah war. I don't know if it's a
warrant drink. But he healed very quickly.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Really they like that.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, he's here, you know, he's healed. So he's genetically modified.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Mental, physical enhancements or both or what.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, definitely he looks a little bit like the bulk,
like the home both huge. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
and uh. But the point is we know he's ly
enhanced because of his his healing. You know, they have
in fact, what am I talking about? What am I
talking about because my sister in law, I'm not of

(16:36):
the neighbor. My assister in law works in that area
they're doing. They have all this new way of quick
wounding the wounded soldiers that you're thinking, you know, to
re reconstruct them. So all that's true, and of course
the Russians, the Russians are you know, I'm sure they're
working on it. So roughly speaking, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
So that kind of I think goes to our next point,
which is, you know, I want to talk to you
a little bit about UFO phenomenon in general.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Okay, wait, okay, I want to spend I want to
spend most of the time on that, of course, but
there's a few about about Russia. Let's just say about Russia. Okay,
Russia is the natural ally of the United States and Europe,
their natural ally. There are critanis now are it's not
the Soviet Union. They're an Orthodox Christian country, but they

(17:31):
also have a lot of Muslim population. But like the Czech,
the Czechs, uh Chechia, you know, they're they're now that
the Chechen soldiers in the Ukrainian Front are very loyal
to put even though they had problems like twenty years
ago and so. Uh when you know, when Pudin first

(17:54):
took power from y Elson, like twenty three years ago
or so, Pudin wanted to join NATO. Putin's main interest.
But when I say, I mean Russia. You know the
people the Russian government, right, their main interest is too economic,
you know, economic development, everybody win. Okay, they have no interest.

(18:18):
Russia has no interest in going beyond, you know, into
taking over poland establishing the Soviet thing. That's all bullshit,
that's all. But that's all a big lie that our
military industrial complex is trying to sell us so they
can rob over trillion dollars a year from the tax
pace from your stupid tax payers. You don't understand what

(18:40):
how you're being fucked over by these greedy vampire assholes.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, they're just trying to take back their you know,
some of the old Soviet lands where the people are
more ethnically Russian or no.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I just said they're not trying to do that. They're
not trying to do that. Who is it? You know?
He Prutin thinks that the destructed of the Civil Union
was there was a tragedies. Isn't but he accepts the reality. No,
pruten will not does not want aggressive NATO. We look
at crazy Macron, he's gonna send French troops. And you

(19:16):
look at uh, you know all these people in NATO.
What's a gens whatever, Stoltenberg whatever name is one of
these guys. His father was the Nazi uh where the
Nazi uh s s And yeah, I mean the EU
today is basically the fourth Frank except now they fucked
themselves because they there's Germany's going down because of the

(19:38):
North Stream which buying which America did to them, and
that the Germans are just their their economy is they're collapsing.
The Russian economy is doing very well. The sanctions we
didn't just back. Everything we've done is stupid since Biden
got it. Okay, so why I didn't quite I didn't
quite finish the thought on on on on Putin So

(20:00):
the point is that, yeah, all Putin want yeah, I know,
I want to say. Putin will not accept Ukraine in NATO.
Putin would rather go to war with nuclear weapons and
wipe out my beloved London. I love London, in London
a lot of time, wipe out past, wipe up, destroyed

(20:20):
the whole fucking thing, you know. Then then let then
let Ukraine be part of you know, part of NATO
for the same reason he will not. They and the
Russians in general, they're all for you know, Russians now
very unified. The United States has split the two Americans,
you know, the crazy commis, you know, the Progressives and

(20:42):
all that suff and the Maga, the Trumpies. Right, we're
in a civil war, actually in an idea live where
the Cyclogeyeah, we're in a cultural civil war. Very bad here.
So America's for action. Americas is not united. There is
no United States anymore. There's an ununited There're two Americans
at more. When other Russia's were unified, we unified it.

(21:04):
How did why did why did Putin go into Ukraine?
Put went into Ukraine because when when the Soviet Union fell,
the Bush, the first Bush guaranteed that NATO would not

(21:24):
move east. Okay, and they both the promises. They brought
the promises. So now allowing allowing Ukraine to have NATO
weapons on Russia's borders right there, that's like, you know,
we had the we have the Monroe doctrine here, we
almost had a nuclear war over Cuban missiles. The Soviet

(21:48):
missiles in Cuba were JFK so pultin today it's just
doing what JFK did back in nineteen sixty three. Now
must also say that the reason Kushtyev put the nuclear
missiles into Cuba was because we had new nuclear missiles
and Turkey. Seece there was that. You know, so already
then we were assholes, you know, we were aggressive. So

(22:11):
so the point, we're not the good guys, America not
the good guy. I'm an American patriot, I'm not I'm
not an agent of pood. Okay, I'm an American patriot.
But I know some history I with these none of
these assholes in power on our side. They're they're incompetent,
they're stupid, they don't know history, and they're greedy and
they're corrupt, every last one of those fuckers, even the

(22:31):
Republican I'm talking about Republicans and Democrats. There are a
few good goods on both sides, you know, but in general,
and but and a lot of them are communists, are
you know, the neo cons the Victorian Newland Kagan, uh
Stinking Blincoln, our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. These are
all they're all. I mean, I grew up with them.

(22:51):
I know what they are because I grew up with these.
They're they're red diaper babies. They're Russian Jews, They're Russian Jews.
I'm Jewish, so I can say the Russian Jews whose
parents told on grandparents told the horror stories, had a
Cossacks rape that went in and killed all the Jews
and the shadows there. So they're all crazy. They all
have a post traumatic stress syndrome. And they were and

(23:14):
they were all brainwashed by the communist propaganda. In which
by the way, there's a guy named Uri bezmon Of.
He would have been my age.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
The Russians killed the old the Soviets killed him. It's
because what he was is uh Ury Bezmonov's father I think,
was a friend of Lenin. You know, he said the elite. Uh,
he's part of the elite communist state. He was Moscow State.
They put him in the KGB. He could have had
a brilliant career. He could have been like Gladimir Pootney.

(23:46):
But he went to India. They said the KGV is
back like in the sixties, yeap, when we're all young.
And they sent him to India and he got in
love with the guse got you know, the new age.
Maybe he took asset who house so he affected to
the CIA. He defected to the CIA back in nineteen
eighty something like that. In any case, your abeztment of

(24:08):
you go on YouTube, you watch your abszment of in
nineteen eighty four being interviewed, and he talks about the
Soviet House Stalin. You know, they were very smart back
in the nineteen thirties, how they started this psychological warfare
operation in the United States, also of course in the UK.

(24:30):
You know Kim Philbey, all those English guys who became
Soviet spines, you know, doing the defected. You know, there's
all those John la Corey's novels writes about them, and
the same thing happened here because they took advantage of
the depression and all the intellectuals they might you know,
all is yeah, well, all the thinking people in America,

(24:51):
most of the minute they went to Lincoln Brigade, they
all became communists. Plus the free sex, all the new
age stuff in the sixties, the free sex. That's all
part of communists, the communist part in the Soviet thing.
Besmonov explains it back in nineteen eighty four, and he
describes after four generations, what it's going to be like.

(25:11):
He describes America today. He describes cancel culture, the whole
phony with the Black Lives matter, phoning, racist stuff. Everything
was seeing here, everything that's happening here, Bestoff says, And
see the problem. The thing is, even though the Soviet
Union fell, this whole inductor psychological warfare operation, brainwashing operation,

(25:33):
which was very effective and used these Pavolovian like Manchurian
candidate stuff. Most of our guys in the White House
they have been Turnian candidates say certain words and then
you know, but so it's like the Frankenstein monster, the
sein monthsters been let loose, and that's all we have
in this country now. So half it's like a mind virus.

(25:55):
So half the country and half the country is infected
with the walking dead. They're like zombies. And I include
the President of the United States. It's not even you know,
you look at him three he walks, you know, he
has he has he has dementia. He has you know,
he's pokingsoning in dementia. Michael Savage, Michael Savage this book.

(26:15):
Michael has a PhD from Berkeley in biological science, a
biological science, and he has some medical training. And Michael
has said, and I've spoken to other medical you look
just the way find you know, loses his Well sometimes
I do it too, but that's probably normal for eighty
year olds. But the way he walks his game and

(26:38):
the way he falls the man, I mean, you know,
it's actually senior abuse, senior abuse. So he's a corpse,
I mean right now. And he's likely to be reelected
because they're rigging the election. The twenty twenty that was
an all rigged So.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Do you think that do you think that we're this
is weakened America? Where would you say the power balances
we can image?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
First of all, Russia, okay, Ukraine, Okay, let's talk about
your email.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Let to clarify real quick. That's what I want to
say is you've made statements say that you think that
Russia is like more powerful than NATO, and I wonder yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Oh yes, yes, right now we're a paper tang and
we're like the Wizard of Oz behind our curtain. Let
me explain why, you know what what our weapons are
ship that the Abrams tank is crap. The F thirty
five is crap compared to what the Russians had, and

(27:36):
they've proved it on the battlefield. They're knocking at the
Abrams tanks. You know why. One of the reasons why
assholes and it's a death trap. Why what you know
they put in an aircraft jet engine in that in
that tank, It runs out a thousand degrees, runs very hot.

(27:56):
So of course you know the infrared signature gives off
to the Russians. They see it right away. You can't hut,
you know, it's stupid. Of course, it breaks down. You
can't run for more than eight hours without having to
be refueled. And it's been breaking down. It's not it's
not reliable. It's too it's too high tech. And that's
true of the thirty five, it's true of most of
you know, it's true of a lot of our aircraft.

(28:17):
It's true of our guns, artillery, that stuff with. So
the point is what Russia has, their equipment is more
suited for the actual battle conditions with the mud and stuff.
In Ukraine. Okay, they're better equipment and they're more of it.
Now we've given all our stuff, a lot of our stuff,

(28:38):
you know, to the Ukrainians. Uh, and of course the
Ukraine you know, all right, there's all kinds of suffer.
But the first why did Peoton even go into what?
Why did February twenty twenty two happen? The reason that
happened was because Victoria knew of it was one of
those Russian Jewish people grew up with, you know, a

(29:02):
neo Khan and uh, and they're really trotsky Ies. They
grew up in the Communists, but they're more like trotsky
Ice and they became like conservatives, joined the Reagan thing.
I knew, I knew, I knew a lot of each
guy actually worked them. Yeah, and so she went over
to in twenty fourteen, uh and arranged the baby, you know,

(29:23):
the revolution to get because the president who was who
was who was elected, who was you know, honestly elected
president of Russian there was was friendly with Putin. Now,
they're corrupt Ukraine. We all had look at the history.
Everybody said, you knew that Ukraine was corrupt. And in fact,
Joe Biden, our President of United States, he ye, he

(29:44):
got money to hunt to Biden as the bagman. Right,
They're all being bribed by the oligarchs. Okay, So in
any case, Victoria Newland goes in there, helps arrange the
coup desta against the pro Putin guy. They get this
new guy in and you have these stepping bandera Neo
Nazis who involved the World War Two. You know, they

(30:07):
hit the supporters, they killed a lot of Poles actually,
and they so they so what they got enough influence
in the new government. So he had this jew, this
Russian Jewish woman who hates Russia, you know, aiding in
a betting the Bandaran Nazis to take over the military
of Ukraine in twenty fourteen. And what did they do.

(30:28):
They started artillery attacks on the Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine.
They killed fourteen thousand Russian civilians over the ten years.
And that's one of the reasons why Putin, because okay,
Putin is a nationalist, you know Putin, and you know
you have to understand Russia and your mother Russia. He

(30:49):
explained that the soul of Russia. These are you know,
these the Putin and these guys, they really believe it.
You know, they paid, they're Russian paid, they're nationalists, Russian patriots.
You know they're going there. He goes to the Russian
Orthodox Church. Now you know he's not a communist. That's
why the communists here hated him. Not a communist. I
would go, o, our people wear the communists. But Putin
this up. So the point one reason Putin went in

(31:10):
was because to because they were attacking the native Russian
speakers who want to be part of Russia. And now
of course they are part of us. And then and
then you know, to have dukes coming in, you know, unacceptable.
And then so what happened when Zalinsky got in. Zalinski
got in on a pro peace platform. So what did

(31:35):
Putin do? Putin sends you know, that column down forty
miles to care and the Ukrainians they sell me. We
were training, we had ten years training the Ukrainian army,
elite army from twenty fourteen, NATO training them. Okay, so
the Plutin called it a special military operation. He said

(31:56):
he didn't send in his best troops, said about ninety thousand,
mainly you know, conscriptions with old equipment. He didn't send
it his best tanks, for his best armor. It was
he called special Military Upper and this was called to
think you want to say that. Hey, listen, I'm serious.
We got to talk. So Lensky said right away, Okay,
let's talk. This is what happened back then. But the

(32:17):
idiots today they don't know any any of this basic history.
That's thumb schmucks.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
You know history. It feels like it. But I would
ask they.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Don't know anything. Oh no, let me finish. This is
very important. I gotta find this is got to you
make a coherent narrative. But yeah, thank you, Yeah, let
me just take a.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh wait, so this is important. So Zelensky meets Putin
in istanbul er God the president and even at that point,
even that even though the primes in Israel was there,
okay and Putt and they had and they they work
out a deal, both accepted, both of them. There's gonna

(33:03):
be a peace. Okay, what happens. Boris Johnson who I
used to like, Boris john becomes Biden's lap dog. Jud Yeah,
our guys buy. They they send Boris Johnson based on
bull and Boris Johnson says, does a Linski. No, listen,

(33:25):
don't sign this deal. He sabotaged the deal, said we're
gonna help you. We're gonna because they want to weaken
the Russians. They see at that point, they thought they
could beat the Russians. They thought, you know, they thought
like yeah, they thought they they win. They're a bunch
of aggressive, arrogant, arrogant, stupid schmucks. Okay, they were wrong.
They were wrong. So Boris Johnson, Boris Johnson has blood

(33:50):
on his hands. I'm sorry, Boris. You know what I know.
I have friends who are friends, you know, I when
I'm in London, if the'll be back in there, then
we loved. I belonged to the club, you know, the
private clubs where they all go. Okay, I have friends
who were you know, they played bridge together, that kind
of thing. It's a small world. Yeah, I've did it

(34:13):
with g hq Am, I six Am, I all these people,
you know, the British, the London Met Commissions of London Met,
the British Intelligence stuff like that and I worked, I
worked in you know, there's a whole thing for that.
But any case, so boris played the lackey and and
has caused the war along with Victory Newton. So what

(34:35):
do we have now? We have the flyer. Ukraine is destroyed,
so that you know, the flower, the youth, at least
a half a million youth millions have left. I mean,
I think Ukraine had like forty million, forty two million
people before this war started, and now they have like
twenty million or eighteen million if they have that the
war's loss. They never had a chance, and Russia's got

(34:57):
We've made Russia stronger. The Russian economy is he's growing
three and a half percent, and the German economy is
zero point one percent because because they let our guys,
I mean the United States, Joe Biden committed an act
of war on Germany. He destroyed the German economy. They
were Germany was getting cheap gas for their gas from Russia.

(35:21):
The whole thing is stupid. And said, okay, that's segue
into UF.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah. I was gonna say to ask you, there is
the idea of the site of the hypersonics and the
super soldiers. If we're in the If Russia's in this war,
why are they not deploying their advanced weapons? What what are
your thoughts on that? And then that can move into well.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's obvious that okay, that's not even your suck. You
don't know what's going on, although maybe it's just maybe
you do. May just be okay, let me explain that
because there's so many stupid people asking me stupid questions.
The first of all, I mean, I gotta understand what
It's a civil war in you credit a right. These

(35:57):
these people they're fighting, they're like brothers, most of them.
Put is being very restrained. He's doing the minimum. If
Pot wanted to do he could have bombed. He could
have he could he could have turned keV into rubble.
He could have done that two years ago with his bombers. Yeah, okay,

(36:19):
he doesn't want to do that. And by the way,
by the way, the fact is, if you go online,
there are people who There's this guy Alexander Mecurious. He's
in London, very smart man. He goes to detail what's
happening on the battle front. There's Douglas McGregor, there's a
Hope on you know, there's a whole bun. There's Ray mcguffern,
he's all x CIA guys, Larry Johnson, Colonel Daniel Davis,

(36:41):
US Army. You go on YouTube and you'll see here.
You'll get the details of what's really going on in Ukraine.
Not everything you read in the newspapers. Everything in the
New York Times about Ukraine, Washington Post, PBS, CNN, even
Factor it's all bullshit. It's all ye, it's all like
nineteen eighty for it's all propaganda. There's no truth to

(37:02):
anything they're saying, okay, and the opposite is true. So
so Putin has been very restrained and he's doing a
policy what's called aggressive attrition, aggressive attriguy the whole thing.
He doesn't want territory, Well, he'll keep the territory he
has the Eastern Dombas because as the Russia that's now Russia,

(37:23):
that's the buffer zone. Putin is gonna take karcuff and
he's gonna take a Deessa. So Ukraine is now going
to be a rump state without any direct outlet to
the black scene. It's anything like that. Uh, the Polish
farmers don't want you know, I mean, Ukraine is destroyed.
What might happen, is that Poland and Lithuania and Hungary,

(37:46):
and I think Slovenia to Romania, Romania, Hungary, Poland Lithuania. Yeah,
they all want pieces of western Ukraine because they used
to be it used to be part of those so
they may, you know, they may work at the differ.
There is no more. Ukraine is destroyed. Franis Johnson, Joe Biden,

(38:08):
Victorian Newland, Anthony Blincoln, all these and these idiots, they
have destroyed Ukraine. It's over. There's no there's no way
Ukraine's ever gonna win this war. And if Macron, if
he would, if native would send in troops, know what's
gonna happen to those troops they gonna send in troops.
Putin said, by the way, you get rid of Putin,

(38:32):
and whoever comes to take replaces, food's gonna be much
worse than boot Let me tell you they're gonna better.
You know, Puts keeping everything kind of restrained, okay, compared
to what they're they're ready to do, and they're pissed
that they will do it. If Putin wants, Putin can
take a hyposotic missile, and he could, he could pinpoint

(38:53):
it now they're greater accuracy, like twenty meetings, the greater
accuracy he could he can put a hyposotic so in
the Elisia Palace. You know, we're not a dude just
to He can do it to the Ministry of Defense
in London, he could do it to Uh yeah, you
can do ten Downing Street. He can do to Berlin.
He can do it to He doesn't want to do that.

(39:14):
He could do it and they can't stop him. We
don't have anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
So do you think not think that we have that
type of technology or even more advanced, if that's what
they're saying publicly. Do you think that there might be
even more advanced that they have secret that they're not
talking about.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
You think, no, they don't, because you know they don't
because our organize are stupid. Look at their tanks, looking
at their sending all equipment's no good. I mean we
only have Okay, F thirty five was a piece of shit.
Everybody knows it's a piece of shit for years. It's
a total boomnoggle swindle. Only one third of the F
thirty five are even operational, and maybe only about half

(39:52):
an hour do These submarines are operational and look at
the British Navy. The British kid they had the they
had the defensive mini said get his name Sprague or
whatever's got his name, mean something wrong and and they
had they had him on on the on the nuclear
sub the British Navy nuclear sub and they try to
launch you know, the missile and the missile drop that
almost hit the submarine that was hit the submarine. The

(40:15):
aircraft carried none of the two aircraft carr that they're
not working. And they had a the Royal Air Force
they had a defammission like thirty five typhoon jets because
they don't have the parts for it, they don't have
the money for it. The British Army is a joke,
British Armies. It's now seventy two thousand. The whole British
Army would fit in a in a football match, you

(40:37):
know of the soccer matches that they have, you know
in London. There the entire British Army, you know, Putin
has I think by the summer he's gonna have over
two million, like over two million men under arms. Two million.
They already have over a million. He has like seven
and fifty thousand reserve force is ready to you know,
move into uh into Ukraine if needed.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Though, if you have capabilities use drones and drop missiles
on people like we did in Iraq and Syria, it
feels like you don't need.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Now, you see. That's yeah, But you don't know ship,
you don't know anything. Then you don't know nothing about it.
Let me tell you them. When I went to Cornell.
When I went to Cornell nineteen fifties, late nineteen fifties,
we all had to take military. We had a reserve offices,
training corps. We had to do that, okay, and I

(41:29):
had courses in military, you know, I had some basic
elementary things about it. To tell your bombing. We had
to wipe out bombing that was in the Air Force,
r at DC and civil apatrol before that. And and
the answer is no. First of all, what's been proven
by the the fact that the Russians, even when they

(41:50):
were weak at the beginning the week, you know, first
year the week, they were able to wipe out the
Ukrainian the best forces that Ukraine had, who had trained
for ten years by NATO. Our training is no good,
you know why, because our army is no good anymore?

(42:10):
Why is our army no good? And he one, I'll
tell you exactly why, because we never Okay, who are we?
Who have we been fighting since Vietnam? We're fighting poor
people who do not have an air force. They don't
have tanks, they're not a model, they don't have real artillery.

(42:31):
What did Taliban have we who are fighting in Afghanistan? Iraq? Oh?
Oh yeah, yeah, what do you call it? Oh? Wait?
Saddam in Iraq? He had some stuff. But we had
a good army back then under Reagan and Bush, the
first Bush. We had a powerful army then. And and
in fact, Douglas McGregor who was in that campaign, and
Colonel Davis they talk about, you know, we had a

(42:53):
good army. But as soon as as soon as Clinton
got in, Clinton destroyed the defense of the United States.
Why to Clinton destroyed the defense? Because Hillary Clinton is white?
Is a communist stage. It's like adventure, you know, she
Saul Linsky see Victoria Noland. Okay, we destroyed. And also

(43:14):
what's happened is that our four star generals, and like
our current Secretary of Defense, they go as a revolving
door between the defense contractors and the Pentagon. So what
we've done, we've built these high tech weapons which are
too advanced, that require too much Okay, do you don't

(43:35):
cars it all? You wouldn't like to have a Ferrari
or a McLaren for gotti a lot of maintenance, right,
and we can't use them on the street. They're men
for a special you know things. So that all our
weapons we have Bagattis, we have Ferraris, McLaren's. We have
the Russians where they have toyotas. I mean in terms

(43:57):
of the you know, this stuff is not in your
Their stuff is much suited. There's stuff works even and
break staff like redundant. Have you seen the thing of
like the Eighth Air Force in World War Two where
they're bombing uh Nazi Germany and they hit you know
that wings fall off, but the planes keep flying because
they have enough redundancy. Okay, So the Russian the Russians

(44:19):
have superior equipment for the actual battlefield conditions, plus the tactics,
the tactics that NATO taught the Ukrainian Army, but tactics
that were not suitable to fight the Russian Army in
the conditions, the land conditions of Ukraine. They were using tactics.
They learned how to fight, you know, the sand niggers

(44:41):
guys in their little tello, the little bit the rifles
and the ie eds they were they were talking. They
were teaching those kinds of tactics against a much lower enemy,
that against an enemy like the Russian army where you
know they still have all that Soviet equipment. Okay. The
other thing is the other thing is that's all acose
to Clinton, the first Bill Clinton Okay, started this hold

(45:02):
down with Spiral. What did he do? We went all
on manufacturing off shore of China is all corruption, So
we can't we can't make the web. We don't. We
can't make enough ammunition to supply your career, and either
can can EU. So we outsourced or manufacturing. But the

(45:24):
Russians they still have a World War two they kept
they have all their factories in Siberia, which is too
far away for three. You can't they have all and
they beefed it up. So the Russians, I mean, there
wasn't able to make you like three million artillery shells
in year. We can't even make one tenth of that, okay,

(45:47):
and then they make yeah, so so the point.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Go ahead, I kind of want to ask tangental question,
trying to translate this more into the UFO side. Do
you think that you have the Russians have a UFO
reverse engineering program? Do you think we have one? Or
advanced science in that respect? You know, all right, technology
that's well beyond any of the stuff that we've kind
of discussed.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Right, well, okay, let's put this way. All right, now
we're gonna get it too. Oh all right, let's let's
talk about that. All right. We'll get a little bit
of history here. Who is Jack? Who am I? Who's Jack?

(46:28):
Start fighting? We would say, Oh, Jack is the he
has a cunning quick He's talk some third person. It's great. No,
I'm just talking about who's Jack star fighting? Who am I? Okay?
When I was a kid. When I was a little
kid in New York, my grandfather worked for the army, okay,

(46:52):
and I was living with my parents were divorced, and
I was eight nine years old. I was living with
my grandparents and my grandfather, I'm working for the army,
and so after school and doing the I used to
go down to where my grandfather worked at the Army
Quartermaster Corps in the Garment District, Manhattan, near the John

(47:12):
fourteenth Street around there, garment district, and it just got
of it. And I was like a kid. Yeah, things
are pretty simple back then. And here's this ten eight
ten year old kid. I was able the Army quartermaster
call was my playground. Yeah. They had all these laps here.

(47:33):
They had the hot the hot tropical uniforms, cold last
the cold weather uniforms, and and I was I was
given free rent. I was able to like run around whatever.
It was like a playground okay for me. Yeah, I
was like the only kid. And then I would these
army officers would come and talk to me, and I

(47:56):
was a yeah, I was a smart kid. You can
imagine what I was like. Right in science fiction reading
The Astounding the twenty other l Ron Hubbard was, you know,
well these twenty five cent you know Ia Asmov all
that stuff and talking about rockets. And then but years
later to jump forward linked forward a little bit when
Colonel Corso, Philip Corso publish his book the day after

(48:21):
Roswell Yah. I opened up the book. It was like
nineteen when was the eighties and nineties, nineteen nineties. I
opened up the book and I see the photograph of course,
so and like a recognition, you know, of guys older.
And I'm pretty sure that one of the main army

(48:42):
officers who are encouraging talking to me about UFO, talking
about flying sauces. These army guys are telling me about
flying sauces back when I was like an eight nine
year old kid. Okay, well, I'm a nine year old kid, right,
of course I believe that. You know, I'm driving around

(49:04):
army cars. My grandpa's driving a car just sitting I'm
I'll tell you so. And but do you understand what
I'm telling you? Now? This is like two or three
years after after oswell for four years man after forty
nine fifty and and and I who I think is
Colonel for So, somebody like Colonel for So, you know,
encouraging my interest in rockets and and uh you know,

(49:27):
science and telling them the flying sauce and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
So what do you think the nature UFOs is all about?
What's your opinion?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Okay, well, you're jumping, You're you're jumping too fast. There's
a whole history here. Okay. So then I'm in high
school in Brooklyn and I get recruited into a special
after school program from Columbia University headed by guy named well,

(50:02):
it was Eugene Eugene big Dermott was. If you look
at who Eugene big Dermott is, he's one of the
founders of Texas Instruments and he was he was actually
from broken and he was a you know, a top
guy in World War two, you know with look a
an m J twelve kind of guy. Just he created
the university, one of the universities of Texas, and you know,

(50:23):
it's his money, the Texas Instruments and uh, you know,
a major, a major figure, and so he had this program.
They had this program too, but the super Kid Superkid
program to get these genius kids in math and physics.

(50:44):
And they would have they were it's like the X Men,
So is it like the X Men, you know with
that movie, but we were. They would test the Inswesty,
if we had psyched, you know that, if we could
do psychic kinesis teleptidy, the doing all that stuff and
encouraging flying sauce, you know, worked on flying so stuff
like that all through high school, well through high.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
School, so they believed it enough to sign you up
and get you involved. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, yeah, yeah, not only me, a bunch of kids, other.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Kids very galler with you as well.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Not there. Ian Jelly's in Israel then, seventy years younger
than me. He's an Israel he was, Okay, he's an Israel. Uh.
But yeah, I met Isaac Azamo. I's got parties with
Isaac Gad this group okay, and Iron ran people around,
Iron ran, you know the fountain here and but the point,

(51:37):
here's the point.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So throughout high school and I was, you know, I
was skipped in grades. So I graduated high school sixteen
and uh, this this guy Walter the Breen, Uh he
wrote they wrote this. They said they wrote a ten
page report on me on you know, a report which

(52:03):
apparently sent it to MIT, to Cornell, and to University
of Chicago. They wanted me to go, Dad, she wanted
me to go to university for Chicago. Any case I got,
you know, graduate high school, I got scholarships, so all
three to MI, T Cornell, and and use the University
of Chicago. But various reasons. I my mother didn't want

(52:25):
me to go too far. I I don't know, but
I got more money from Cornell than from MIT, and
my mother didn't want me to go as far as Chicago,
you know, because I think is only two hundred miles
from New York. So I wound up going to Cornell
and the physics department Cornell was all the guys who
built the atomic bomb. Did you see the movie Oppenheimer?

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I saw, Yeah, Okay, Well, Johann's Beta, Hans Beta, was
one of my tutors. He was the head of theoretical
physics at us alabas Phil Morris. Well, the guys, you know,
the old the a team for Oppenheimer. Okay, so those
are the guys who taught me physics at Cornell and
Cornell back then. This is the late nineteen fifties. I'm

(53:10):
class of sixty Cornell and of course Ivy League, you know,
Cornell's ninety League school and uh, you know the CIA
recruits from you know, from the Ivy League, especially back then.
And uh and also a lot of my professors were
from England. One of my friends were from me and
you know, they connected with the British intelligence so you know,

(53:33):
in fact I had I was actually Gilbert and Sullivan
opera singer into and uh and my voice teacher was
was Keith Faukner, who later became Sir Keith Faulkner, but
he was a he was like a British Air Force,
British Naval UH officer in World War Two. It's kind
of famous Keith Keith Falkner, any quet, but you know,

(53:55):
I think I was. There's a movie called The Good Shepherd,
Called The Good Shepherd, it's about James Angleton at Yale
in the in the right before World War Two, and
how James Angleton his grandson is a friend of mine, know,
his grandson, ok And how James and yeah, he's in
the Gilbert and Sullivan society, Okay, And then the movie

(54:19):
opens up the movie and I think de Niro de
Niro's I think it's in that movie. I think I
think Robert DeNiro is actually in the movie. And Matt
Matt hell but you know that Matt, Yeah, the guy
from Harvard. In any case, So the scene opens up
where they're doing a Gilbert and Sullivan and the James
Angleton character. He's dressed as a woman because they had
the women the only men there Yale nineteen thirty Skull

(54:42):
and Bones, that whole thing, and he's recruited by the
British intelligence helped form the CIA. This is true, based
on a true story. Okay, same thing happening, you know,
it's part of that and and so so what happens? Okay,

(55:04):
so various things happen. I I go to uh in
the in nineteen sixty six. I'm with Leerner Heisenberg. You know,
Lenda Heisenberg, was Heisenberg. I'm spending I spent the summer.
I spent July I think it was Jiants nineteen sixty
six with John Archibald Wheeler familiar Heisenberg and some other

(55:28):
people at the Max Poonk Institute in Munich. And in
Munich only ten sixty twenty years after the World War Two.
You think they took or no, no, wait, just wait.
This is why I don't get there. Okay, but I
wanted this and but here with Heisenberg and these guys,

(55:51):
uh and but about general relativity, you know, they didn't
talk about UFOs was I was by way, it's a NATO.
This was a NATO summer school and Nadim Sumer school.
From there, I go over to Her Majesty's Atomic Energy
Research Establishment at Harwell, Okay, which is kind of like

(56:12):
the Lawrence like Los Alamos, you know, but British britt
you know, smaller scale, the British version. And yeah, I
go there and various things happened, and then then what happens? Okay,
so yeah, I'm jumping to Now. I'm then an assistant

(56:33):
professor of physics at San Diego State, which is a
Navy town, Navy town, and you know, Mary patriotic. Is
this is like the late nineteen sixties, and we ran
the program of float college education for the US Navy
out of San Diego State. Okay, so he used to

(56:55):
go on Navy ships. Is he was on Navy ships.
And in nineteen seventy now we're getting to UFOs. So
nineteen seventy one, nineteen seventy one, I was on the
uss tykwond Rogo, which is like a small aircraft you know,
it's this old aircraft carrier in the helicopter thing, and

(57:15):
we sailed from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. It was
that on the Tekondo Rogan. Yeah, this was Teikonic seventy one. Yeah,
I forget, well maybe late six I'm not for exactly
window there's a long time regollar. And but while there,
there's this guy the Naval Intelligence sky on board. Yeah,

(57:39):
we we have a physics crib teaching because and so
he can and he started talking to me about the UFOs. Yeah.
We're sitting here way on the Pacific Ocean, you know,
going across the Pearl Harbor. Yeah, so we spent a
lot of time talk about UFOs back then. So I
saw with the Navy back then at least okay, explicit
and oh no, I must say, you know, this is

(58:03):
kind of just I'm not I'm not an agent of
blady me putent fucking assholes. Excuse me, I'm talking about Yeah,
I'm talking about Colonel John B. Alexander, that schmuck. That
even schmuck. Okay, But but the point is, so we're
sally at the Pearl Harbor. You know, they hit all
the sailors and you know we're all standing there. We

(58:24):
go past, you know, the Arizona you know, the World
War I mean, you know, like I even I tear
up even now thinking of that. So you know, you know,
I remember World War Two. My my uncle, my uncle
was four and a half. It was four years in
combat in the South Pacific, you know, the whole time.
So you know, I really remember World War Two even

(58:44):
though I can remember it.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
All right, okay, so here okay, so so u fos Okay,
So now I'm back to San Diego State. Now now
it's gonna get weird. That's gonna really weird. Okay, okay, no,
and now now now Uri Gellick enters the picture. So
it's like nineteen seventy two, I guess nineteen seventy two,

(59:10):
late nineteen seventy two, and I'm living on campus, off
campus with this other physics professor named Fred Allen Wolf
find if you heard of him. He's kind of well
known at the time. They were too we both got divorced. Stupid.
You know you can read that how it me say?

(59:32):
Physics the book?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, a lot of the history is already out there.
I'm more curious in your opinions on the phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah yeah, and so uh. Fred gets a call from
his high school Chicago high school buddy named Bob Tobin
and and Bob says the boss to come after you know,
won't pay a visit. Bob is a zanty guy, but
he has a lot of money. He made a lot
of money on the Chicago commodities market. He's he's rolling

(01:00:00):
in money. Bob comes and movie stays with us and
Bob starts. So he says, business is rarely psychic named
Uri Yella, he's able to bend metal with his mind. Yeah. Now,
at this time, you got to understand fred Wolf very straight.

(01:00:25):
He you know, he had working in nuclear atomic physics
of nuclear explosions and air Force contracts. I was actually
working on Air Force nuclear explosion contract at the time,
and very straight, you know, Bermuda Schwitz. Uh. Austin Healey
and I had a what did I have? I had?
I had Alpha Mao spit by whatever you know, and

(01:00:49):
it's a navy town. And he said, he says, uh,
he says to friend, listen, I have a book contract,
and I have a television thing we want to do,
like a series. I want to do a show on
Uri Gella, and we need physicists to explain how can
Uri Gella do what he does? And we didn't know,

(01:01:13):
I mean, you know, we know anything anykay, So we said, yeah, okay,
we didn't know. It was start brainstorming with him. But okay,
one thing leads to another and let me let me,
let me see how to do this now and he leaves.
He leaves, Bob leaves, and Fred gets a call. It's

(01:01:42):
like now the spring, early spring of seventy three. Fred
gets a call from a friend of his, both in
Paris and in London, that he's often to teach atomic
physics at the University of Paris and also teach you
at the University of London Burke Coulge, where I had
actually been. I've been there myself too, with David Bole,

(01:02:04):
David Bolt and h So he'd be commuting, he'd be
living in Paris and London. You don't like teach one
day a week in Paris, one day a week in
London and just commute. They pay his way and teaching
atomic physics. Okay, Yeah. Then I get a phone I
get a phone call from this Salam who I had

(01:02:25):
already known because I've been working back and forth. I
was I was at the British Atomic Energy Commission, you know,
with back and forth, you know stuff like that. I'm
the Salaam is the chairman. He's a Pakistani but a
British expat, well like Pechistan. You're living in England and
he's he's the head of the head of Theoretical Physics
department at the Imperial College of London. It was like

(01:02:47):
them I team of England. But he also runs a
International Institute of Theoretical Physics in Trieste, Italy, which is
partly it's UNSCO it's a ulan so it's Russian, Russian physicists,
Indian physicists, African and you know, French, American and also

(01:03:08):
it Yeah, and he says he was following some of
my work. He's that he was interested in, says Jack,
Why don't you come to trust Italy work at I
know I'm invited there. Yeah, say me there, and we
want to leave San Diego anyway, it was getting born
sod to, you know, so we both wind up. Okay,

(01:03:31):
so we're on our way to Europe. But now I'm
on my way to Europe. From before going to Europe.
This is now like, uh, maybe it's June, maybe it's
June of maybe it's May. I'm not sure, you know,
early early spring, early summer, nineteen seventy three, and I'm

(01:03:58):
in I'm about to fly from San Francisco to London
on my way to Trieste. Now it gets very weird.
It's gonna get very weird.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Do you see some UFOs?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Just wait, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
I want to hear about the you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yeah, well you know, be patient. This is more than
it's UFOs and more more than you know. I'm in
bed my girlfriend at her mother's house in Carmel Valley's
beautiful place near Big near near near Big Serve. And

(01:04:44):
and Sharon's mother brings in the Sunday paper, Sunday Chronicle magazine.
I ope, up the magazine section. I get this. This
is twilight Zone. Now, this is like, okay, this is
this is UFOs on steroids. Okay you want to upho. Yeah,
well it's twilight Zone. Yeah, I believe it's worth it.

(01:05:06):
But there's a big article, multi page colored article. I
guess it's about it's about urry Yella who you were
just we're on our way over to Oh yeah, well
so because Bob said, Bob Toban giving us money, said,
don't have money, I give you all the money. We'll
meet you in Europe, Bob. We're so it was Bob
Tubant telling us to go to Europe. And then we

(01:05:26):
get phone calls from from the from England, and you know,
for for for Fred and I to go to England
turns out this is all a c I A operation.
It's all Central Intelligence Agency, right, okay. And so I
opened up the thing, and I say, Uri Gala and

(01:05:48):
and and they have their testing all these psychics, the
psychic powers. And I say to shared, he said, Hey, Sharon,
this is exactly what Bob Tauban is sending us over
there for pay. You know, you're taking the tickets every day. Okay,
the coincidence, as I said, it's Sunday. So I said,

(01:06:10):
Monday mon, we're leaving. I'm leaving on Wednesday and flying
the sfone on Wednesday. That's Monday morning. Got Monday morning.
I got to call these guys. So I get the phone.
Never I call, Yeah, this guy, this Irish guy, Brendan o'reagan,
gets on the phone. Get this snail. Oh doctor, so

(01:06:31):
facty we were helping you would call us. I didn't
stand how weird that is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Yeah, synchronicities, I think that they say.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
You know, and well, it's it's more than synchroticity. Explain yeah,
but you can't. How do they know that Sharon's mother
is going to bring in the newspaper and I'm gonna
read the new and I'm gonna Thursday. I turn, I'm
gonna turn and I see the article. Yeah, how could
the CIA even? This can't? This is much more than

(01:07:03):
c I A CIA is part of it. So do
you I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Between the CIA and the consciousness and the UFOs?

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Then oh, okay, but you're jumping too fast because your
mind you're like, you're like you're like a little old
transistor radio and a big German broadband cloud flop pup.
You can't imagine what I'm gonna tell you. Maybe you
can't if you heard some of the earlier, earlier things,
but you're not. You're like Tucher calls with Putin.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
And I actually I was thinking about that. This is
kind of like that, because you're telling the history story
like Putin was. But all I want to know about
is the UFOs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Yeah, because because your mind is too slog I appreciate history,
but because yeah, because you're suffering cognitive dysfunctions. And I'm
going to give you a little bit. I'm giving you
a little biagraph your to your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I got with me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Just bear with me. Okay, So the wait okay, so
so and he says, he says, can you drive? They
know where I am an hour away, Obbi, I was
Survelian me right, okay, who knows well? And so he said,
can you we'd like to talk to you. So I

(01:08:18):
get my car, which is great, and I drive up
to SRI's like ten o'clock in the morning on Monday morning.
Remember I'm leaving on Wednesday morning, okay. And I'm met
at SRI there and Brendan beat Steed and he says
he first, he says, takes me across the street to
the Institute of the WTICS Science. And guess who I meet.

(01:08:39):
The first guy I meet besides Brendan is edgar Mitchell.
Do you know edgar Mitchell?

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah? I think he's made some pretty profound statements about
life and UF yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yes, yes, yes, yes I meet him if I shake hands.
I mean, I'm sitting in edgar Mitchell's office right with Brenda.
Brendan Irish national by the way, from Dublin, from Dublin,
and I think he comes from a fan from you know,
the family who run the Irish Times or something like,
you know, he said, kind of like an Irish aristocrat.

(01:09:12):
That guy British Intelligence, right, this is CIA, this is
a CIA, you know how put off. Okay, so I
wind up. We have lunch or something I guess was
Edgar bringing sandwiches or something. Then they take me to
a guy named Dean Brown. Dean Brown. Dean Brown is

(01:09:34):
one of these original Stanford member. This is now you know,
the Stanford the Venture Silicon Valley, Venture Capital's eyes and
was Dean Brown. And okay. Now it turns out the
CIA tape recorded all this, and somebody sent me part

(01:09:55):
of that tape recording from nineteen seventy three, which is
now on SoundCloud. If you go to SoundCloud but to
jackstar Body CIA nineteen seventy three, you can listen to
the meeting in which I am introduced at Dean Brown's

(01:10:15):
house to Harold put Off, Russell Togg and then a
bunch of other people there too, And in that take
you can hear Russell Togg talking about how they think
flying sources of time machines from the future. You're just

(01:10:37):
looking at Russell talk. You don't take my word. And
then see I had remembered when I was thirteen, I
was contacted these weird phone calls, but said it was
said it was a conscious artificial conscious computer on board
a spacecraft from the future and that they want to

(01:10:58):
tee I was part of a group of care that
they wanted to teach their technology too. In any case,
I had, you know, Brendan kind of knew about that.
So I had been talking with Edgar Mitchell and Brendan
and you're about about my I had remembered my my
experience at the age of thirteen. Oh and then but
they said I would meet the others in twenty years.

(01:11:21):
This is nineteen seventy three, so it was twenty years later.
And here I am at Sri Okay, like okay, in
any case, So you'll hear me talking on that tape.
I say to Brenda, said, Brenda, shake, tell him what
we talked about. Brendan, yeah, says go ahead. You hear it.
You're hearing you hear you know, you hear the actual event.

(01:11:43):
And I talk about what happened, and you'll hear Brenda saying, oh, yeah,
we have we have data on several hundred incidents of
that kind. Did the data on it? Okay, So there
we are, so you want to and then they talk about,
you know, where we go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
So it wasn't just you. There was other people that
have had similar experience.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Oh yeah, including hal put Off apparently Hal Pop. Yeah.
I don't know exactly, but how told me in nineteen
How told me We're on a bus in London with
Kit Green. You know, Christopher Green is Kit Green and see, okay,
I'm with Kit Green and hal put Off and sit
on a bus that's Stewart have her office. So he

(01:12:22):
was trying to get on the bus. We're going from
the Temple to the meeting of dinner at the Temple.
What was I to get where we're going? And how?
He said? Yeah, I just said how. I said, yeah,
when he was a kid, he had some strange stuff.
And then uh, somebody interrupted the conversation, so he didn't
tell me the full detail. But do you ever get
hal Puto? Fun asked alcout what before he dies? He's

(01:12:43):
older than me, you know, before he dies? Well, what
happened to him as a kid? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
And so there were and then they say, well, why
why am I at? Why am I there? They want
me to help set up test Saburi Geller at the
University of London, which happened. Yeah, well but no, they
wanted other labs to corroborate obcessit and Okay, all this
is in the you know, this is all in how

(01:13:12):
NPSA Physics, my book Destiny Matrix. There's a new book
by there's a new book by uh I guy, David
Glasste's on Amazon called The Great Race. It goes up
to David Grusht by David grush Media. Okay, so there
we go. Now, do you understand the whole point in
telling you this story is that the only way to

(01:13:32):
understand those events from nineteen fifty three, predicting I was
going to meet hal Puto for all these guys in
nineteen seventy three which happened, is that that this is
all being manipulated by the non human intelligence of the
tic TACs, you know with the mnibbits encounters. They are

(01:13:54):
manipulating all this from back from the future. It's all
time travel. You that say it's time travel. The only
way to understand this the c i A fact. Then look,
look how stupid the CIA is. Now we've got some
really stupid people running the c I aside Burns, they're idiots.
The people who got me into this back then we're
the smarter than people. Now we have real idiots running

(01:14:15):
the c I A. They're totally incompetent.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah, So do you think that UFOs that are just
us from the future? Do you think it could be
aliens from the future or how do you what are
your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Why? Why? Why is it? Why is it a zero?
Why is it one of the most both to do
you think it's definitely? It's definitely both interesting?

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
And what do you think about the UFO community, Like
some of these celebrities that are out there. Let's just say,
you know, doctor Stephen Greer, Luelzando, Jeremy Corbel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Okay, let's let's let's be precise. Now, let's slow down.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Okay, you want to go one at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Still, one at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Well, let's start with Jeremy Corbell, because my opinion is
he thinks that it can't be us, that it's got
to be aliens. What do you think about him?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
He's an idiot, Bella, he's a well me he said, Well,
you know, he's a schmucke. Covell's a schmuck, he said,
d UN's he runs, he knows what is his educational background?
What does it? Well? Does he ever? Does he have
a degree in physics?

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Definitely not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
There's a degree in mathematics. Is he an engineer, there's
all the physics, there's all the technical problem. You gotta understand,
there's all technical problem. Yeah he's yeah, he's he's he's
an airhead. Yeah, okay, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
About let's let rapid fire of these out. What about Louison?
What do you think about him?

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Yeah, he's a military guy. Yeah, he's inde information.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Yes, Oh he definitely now okay, okay, lois a soldier.
He again, I don't know. He doesn't have much of
a technical background, and he was basically drafted into this
by schmucks and wherever the schmucks above him and the
ship from Shinola, and so you know, he's he's like
David Crush, except David. I think he has a little

(01:16:00):
bit more physics math background then than lou So my
beef with lou was that he was too much of
a whim when when uh Frank Milburn or Frank Milburn's
this x s a s British soldier suffering from PTSD

(01:16:21):
a little bit. But you know, he's a he wrote
these two papers for the beginnings that dot uh mosad
idea think tank at Baroline University of Isriel, and he
wrote these two things, and I'm in it. He describes
my stuff pretty well, does a pretty good job. And
also Louis in it and Chris mull World in it. Right,
And then when when when people have asked, uh, Louis

(01:16:45):
about the Sarfari physics, he's just he doesn't, you know,
he didn't want to say anything that partly because he's
not a physicist. So actually maybe that was good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
But and uh, do you think he's asked where he
has an NDA and he can't speak about some of
it because it's national security issue.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Well, of course, well that's what he says, so you've
got to believe what he says. And all right, so
I think Louis is trying to do the right thing.
But louis involved with some people who are who are
who I don't like Louis involved with, well, Chris Smeller.
Maybe Chris and I will make up. You know, Gary Nolan,

(01:17:26):
you know, I'm pissed off because I pissed him off.
He's emotional. And who else Colonel John Alexander and Eric
Davis some of these people, you know, Uh, there's a
whole other story. Okay, so go ahead ask me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
So I guess the next one is doctor Stephen Greer.
Do you think he's had inside information?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah, he has agreed. I always got into a fistfight
with Grill.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
In two thousand and four, we're on the same as
Santa Fe.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I don't know what he said, because I did. I
thought three was a communist. Yeah, you say, oh, I know,
saying back then, I was a schmuck myself. And I
think I was sort of a neo con back then
because I was four, that's right. I believed all the
bullshit about Iraq.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yeah, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
And and actually I maybe I agree an apology because
he said something bad about the president about all that,
and I think, but he's a big guy. Yeah, he's steroids, right, Yeah,
he works out. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Okay, so so okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
But the thing about Korea, he's a bit of a
He struck me as being a bit of a cult leader.
You know, he gets the scullible people, they go out there,
he charges money. Yeah, he makes money off it. So
that makes me suspicious. But I think some of the
stuff you know, he did you know some of the
people with us is yeah, it's true. I I know

(01:19:00):
it's true. I agree. We haven't gotten to that yet,
so agree is a big bag?

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Got it? Okay? Cool, And we'll talk a little bit
more about some of his opinions here in a second,
because and we may come to other people. Those are
the main three that I wanted to get your opinion on.
What I wanted. The next is, since you talked about
this idea of retro causality, with this idea that information
from the future can float to the past, what do
you think the best evidence in science and physics is
of retro causality. Do you think the doul slit experiment
can explain that? Or do you have some other better evidence?

(01:19:28):
Although I guess that's good. Possibly, And are you familiar with.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Okay, wait, at this point we got to get into
my Now you want to do physics, Okay, just justimated.
We got to do screen right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
You want to do the equations?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Yeah? Yeah, because the only way to do it otherwise.
You know. I'm also I'm losing my voice. I can't. Yeah,
I have a weak vocal cord. I strained it too
much when I was saying I point o, hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Make sure you hide your only.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Hang on. What happens to my joining your meeting? What
happened to my joining the meeting here and join? Oh
damn wait? What's Hang on a minute? Sure, hang on
a minute, I gotta do. Why don't you talk to
your guys?

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Well, I'm doing ok hold on the screen from you, I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Think Okay, five three nine ks? All right, okay, you
can right. We're back on this all right, okay, No, no,
I want to know. I'm going to I want to
get back on on screen again. Okay, wait, okay, yeah,

(01:20:40):
but I'm ready now, okay, I'm ready. Okay, okay, So
you see my thing?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
No, I don't see you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Do you see it now? No?

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Still don't?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Oh fuck? What happened? Oh wait? Okay, share screens? I
do it again. Screen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
There we go, Now I can see it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Okay, there we go. Ok there we go. Okay, Okay,
do you see my You see my white pad?

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Yep, we see it? Go for it looks good?

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
All right, all right, okay, ask me the question.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
So I guess the question is, what do you think
of what's the best evidence of retro causality? Would you
say the delayed choice quantum eraser is a good uh?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Now let me okay, let me go, okay, retro personality. Yeah,
do you see that? Yep, the idea I think I
get right, then I can't get right then if I
if I carry this all right, yeah, all right, okay,
now your first let me get the history history.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
We can't see your face either, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Oh you can't see my face I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Covered up or something that looks like all right, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
The problem with this thing. Okay, that's the problem. Okay, okay,
all right, So now the history around nineteen forty. Oh actually,
oh we'll go nineteen forty wheeler, wheeler. So once you
gotta do guys find men will fun Well, you go

(01:22:25):
to Wikipedia, even though even though go to Wikipedia, how
do you spell Wikipedia? Pedia?

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
You got it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
All all these key words. You just go just put
in wheel of fineman. You got to do your homework.
This is you know, yeah, this is serious stuff. You
can just get a SAP, you know, for attention Different
disorder US. Okay, wheel finding advanced advanced potentials, Advanced electromagnetic potentials. Okay,

(01:23:04):
let's you know, back from the future, mhm future, got it.
But that's classical. This is not tuantum. Okay, this is
all classical that's a classical, classical physics. It's okay, then

(01:23:37):
let's jump. Then we have uh Freid of oil oil
and Cambridge Isaac Newton, Newton professor Stavid Hawking took his job.

(01:24:09):
Oh no, it was Denis anthes as defensor. I thought
the intelligent Intelligent Universe is a book. Intelligent Universe around
nineteen eighty six or so, a book, you know, get
that book or look at look look at that. But

(01:24:30):
he talks about retro consality, that the universe is created
from the future. Okay, that's Fred Hoyle, all right. Around
nineteen sixty four, we have a student student of David Boone.

(01:24:55):
Look up all these people, David Boone, who worked with Einstein.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
En bone affects.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and but he but but but
but yak kia yeah, kiah m hm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
He's still alive ninety one, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw him not too long ago.
He was there. I can tell you about Yeah, he
was there. They would put off the dog, I mean
with Kit Green and and and and put off in
London because of the Boone. We at the bone pestle
I just coronal, that's ird. I think that said. Yeah,

(01:25:39):
what's called weak measurement theory, week measurement mhm, big measurement.
Look at that per minute. And then uh, quantum quantum,
this is quantum mechanics, yeah, mechanics. And this is practical stuff.

(01:26:04):
This is stuff that can do with the laboratory. It's
such as theoretical and basically, but that is this is
here now, yeah, And this is what's called this is
this is time, this is space okay. And this is

(01:26:28):
what's called a future h uh boundary condition condition and
this is past a past boundary. And then he has

(01:26:51):
what's happening here? You have a there's a sideway side destiny,
he calls it. This is his blang wuage must.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
That's fine, that's not a it's not an art contest, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
And here you have another wave, second wave pside history,
and they sort of they create what happens there. Yeah, okay, okay, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
About the future and the past or in influence in
the present.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Yes, this is the future cause future cause past cause mhm,
past cause. Oh let me make a little digression here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Sure, do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
You know Stephen Stephen Stephen wolf friend wolf, Yeah, mathematica, Yeah,
but you know about mathematica it's the main pro it's
you know, it's it's a he's a smart guy. He
worked at Mark Burry and he's a yeah, he's good

(01:28:09):
if we worked at Burry go in any case. He
has this thing called computational universe. Mutational universe. You know,
are we a simulation? Are we living in a simulation? Ask?

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Do you believe in the holographic principle? What is your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Well, this is all well wait a minute, jumping to
you know, I get that that's a good question, but
just remind me peeped out the back.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Well it's on my list.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yeah, okay, he has this. But you know, he's kind
of like that we're living in a city. I mean
what he's saying would be consistent with that we're living
in a simulation. You were like with someone else's video game.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Right, Yeah, time has no meaning. And if it's just
you know, the future and the pastor in the president.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Well it has been eating. Don't say it has no meaning.
It has been. You're right, the meeting you think it has,
it doesn't have the meeting you think it hasn't. Don't oversimplify,
as Einstein said, keep it as simple as possible. But
not simpler than is possible. And that's what all you
guys do. You mean, you know you're like cartoons, You're

(01:29:19):
that you know, you're like you're like, as you said,
Tucker Cross, it would line to be a boot serious
you know, tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
My generation what I say, we're full add I just
want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Yes, yeah, yes, yes, I know, I know I know that.
But you know what, Okay, but here's an important thing.
Why are you bringing that up? Yeah? Most of the
American kids are that way, and that's why, that's why,
that's why America is is weak. That's a big national
security threat. And to some extent it's less. England is

(01:29:53):
going that way. It's like dying now. But guess who
isn't that way? The Russian kids are not that way,
and especially the Chinese and the Indians, they have something
called bricks. So the America, what's happening? So you know
I didn't want Okay, let's get it. Let's just keep

(01:30:14):
basically yeah, let's keep it on the physics.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Yeah, basically being destroyed, being.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Destroyed within Yeah, because because people, most American kids cannot
just too much for them.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Much to speed here right now. In fact, I think
a lot of America. They want to know more about this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yeah. Yeah, but also I think you know kids who
was watching this especially much. You had a lot of Russian, Chinese,
and Indian probably kids from all over the world watching this. Okay,
so they're gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
They're judging your hand right now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Yeah, yeah, whatever they can.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Uh so what about the holographic principle though? So yeah yeah, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Wait wait okay, so wait, so wait I have finished
my point. I'm I'm I'm on a trajectory, I'm on
a narrative.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Yeah, let's keep it going.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
The wolf from his raw Wolf has made a big
wolf from wolfs uh folly because his his algorithm algorithms
only run one way in time past the president, right,

(01:31:31):
they only have they only have side history. Okay, that's
why they don't work. Yeah, they don't work. They looks
not half of it. Let's not half of it now.
So the point is, okay, and the other schmucks who

(01:31:52):
are the other schmucks other schmucks? Because both we have
well well yeah, wil from We're will from with Weinstein,
Eric Weinstein.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Eric Weinstein, Okay, I want to know your opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
On him, Eric Weinstein. We have, uh we have what's
his name? Sam Altman?

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Oh yeah, a, I got guess what.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
He's my next door neigh but he's my next my
next door get him here is a sunk I don
Ai program. Yeah no, boy, oh good, we got to
get that on there. Yeah yeah, Sam Altman chat and
and uh Eland Musk.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
I think you just docked Stam Altman.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Well yeah, yeah, well they have to have ducked myself.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
And I want to know your opinion on him as well,
like why.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
You know, like what yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna talk
about good rock and rockets, rockets. He's the guys brilliant
in their way. Okay, but who else who's Yeah, that's
Lex Freedman.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Why don't you like likes Freedman?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
I like him. That's I mean truck Man. I don't
like him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
I mean he just science.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Yeah, he's a slow yeah yeah, yeah you do. Yeah,
you know you're making stupid mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Yeah no, I actually agree with you and all these people,
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Yeah, in terms of what Yeah, and Joe Rogan too,
who are somebody?

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Yeah, let's Getjoe Rugan on that list for sure. You
think seventy videos have video game graphics and then when
they're showing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Uh okay, oh right, so what so the point is
that's what doing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
I'm definitely getting canceled from Joe Rogan. I burnt that
bridge you did?

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Okay, that's okay. Yeah, here we go to the next one. Okay.
So the point is all a I, hey, I.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
It's not conscious Yeah, just language learning models, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Not conscious? Why because in order to make them conscious,
you have to have the thing coming from the future.
You have to have SI history sigh, destiny, and then
that's going to generate consciousness in a cent consciousness almost

(01:34:30):
not almost almost almost need both of them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Interrupt.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Yeah, well, I mean what is what is? Okay, Si,
let's go pig history? Is memory? A memory that's called
uh that's uh, that is quantum entanglement we pr quantum entanglement.

(01:35:00):
Angle yeah, men signaling signaling angling past the present. It's
it's actually what it's like Frank will Will checks Will

(01:35:21):
Sex Nobel Prize and Nobel Prize. I think I have
another way, uh time crystal effect. It's a time crystal
we are we are that's us we we we we

(01:35:44):
are like time when a memory when when suddenly a
memory pops into your consciousness, right, you know you have
an idea, you remember something suddenly remember you think you
know that that that's that's uh, that's the effect of
the of the history quantum waves in your in your brain.

(01:36:05):
But that's set where certain certain memories will pop up
at certain times in your stream of consciousness. Okay, but
what about the other one, the other one side destiny
mm hmm, that is intuition, intuition, creativity.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Yeah, this paper.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Yeah, you know Mozart, Mozart, you know Mozart, Yeah, you know.
Mozart said when he wrote his music, he said he
was just listening to him. It was just popping up
in his mind. He was remote viewing his future performances.
That's called the loop and time loop. And this guy

(01:37:01):
named Nova cop physics nob Cop Igor igor no cop Moscow.
I think he's said he may be Moscow. Book River
River of Time, River of Time. Get that book. This

(01:37:23):
let me let me. This is a book, everybody, okay,
Igor Nobe cough book River Mum Time. Also some of
what I'm talking about. Just get David Gladstone. David Gladstone,

(01:37:51):
Great Race, Great race, goes up me. It's about me
and up to David Crush. David Grush, you know he's
congressional at Congress. Okay, that's on Amazon Amazon, get the
kindles cheeked Amazon kindle. Don't shoot that on there. But okay,

(01:38:17):
all right, okay, all right, so now where where were we? Now?
So what will you asking me about?

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Well, so I guess the next thing is in terms
of time in general, do you think it's deterministic or
do you think do you think that's morisonic string theory?
We have different timelines. Now, I think you've done a
good Uh you've presented the science here and and the
people who.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Are Okay, okay, now wait, now here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
There are two views exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Two views. One is one is many worlds. Okay, so
now but you have to look at Max tegwalk Max,
take mark at m I T just looking up and

(01:39:08):
he has uh uh he has this this, this, this
level one, one, two, three and four. Okay, Uh, there
are different meanings out there's this is levels one and
two is all classical classical uh matter, and level three

(01:39:35):
is mental by the mental worlds. Okay, side these sideways. Okay,
so it depends what you're talking about. Okay. The different
the different levels. See, people are too sloppy about this self.
What do you mean by you know, the universe itself? Okay,

(01:39:59):
now I have do a little cosmology. What you uh,
Here is the let's say the initial singularity, official white hole.
That's called a white hole. Oh okay, And this is

(01:40:21):
gonna be this is this is this is the time.
And now you have I'm gonna use different this I think.
I no, that's something I want to Yeah. This is

(01:40:53):
called the past. This is the past boundary. Condition let's
up before the past boundary. I'm not going to go
into the full details boundary. And here we had and
here we have. This is the future boundary. And this

(01:41:19):
is just pretend pretend you're an immortal god. You're an
immortal god. This is this is you, This is Ashton. Nice. Okay,
this is let me let me just you suppose you
suppose you're suppose suppose you're an immortal you know what,
you're like a Greek god. Well no, no, no, you're

(01:41:41):
actually here, You're you're you're living. This is this is
your this is this is Ashton. Ashton's worldline. Got it? Worldline?
You know from the you've lived, you know from from
the bad, Like this is pretty close with the big bang,
gus a right down there, big bang. Okay, and yeah,

(01:42:03):
and this is and this is like the end time,
the end time. Sure, Actually this is called conformal time.
So it's it's actually infinite clock time. And then there's
a whole lot this has to depend. This is what
I called hang on. This is what I'm actually called

(01:42:24):
actually called h It's like it's similar to a penro
what's called the Penrose diagram. Man, So this is actually
conformal what's called conformal time. It's it's not the regular

(01:42:45):
time for the clock. It's actually this is actually this
is this is a finite it's it's actually infinite clock
times what's called conformal infinity. Yet they're mathematics.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
This is year with the mathematics.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
But here, but here's the point. Here's the point. Here's
the point. Suppose you're here, supposed this is now twenty
twenty four, okay, twenty twenty four, you're getting you're getting well.
Your mind by the way, the sidewaves just saying sidewaves,

(01:43:18):
mind waves, mind waves. See that's the big thing. Well,
you are when you are your soul, you're you're just
a nurse. You're you're you're you're a pair of sidewaves.
You're you have advanced and you have your destiny and history. Okay,
and so information you're getting let's say I want to

(01:43:40):
do it, I want to do this is your brain,
your mind, your brains, so to speak. And this is
you're getting information side history. Okay, but you're also getting information,
you're also getting information from the future. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Yeah, I'm with you there for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Side destiny, that's your destiny, your karma, karma if you want. Yeah,
so that's the way it works. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
What does this mean thought to it being deterministic or not? Though, Like,
are there more than one timeline or do you think
there's just one timeline?

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Well, yeah, right down here, there's only one here, there's
only one timeline. Right, one timeline. There's only one timeline.
Let's what I haven't talked about the other possibilities. Yeah,
it's not that simple. You're jumping you know, you're making
jumping ahead too quick and you know, and you're losing information.
This is the situation. Okay, But then within a single

(01:44:44):
this isn't your timeline, right, it's a timeline. It's your timeline.
But really we only exist in my little little piece
like that. Yeah, born right, okay, and it's observed it dependent.
Now the point this is called the causal diamond. It's
called the causal causal diamond. This is the observable universe. Observable, yeah, universe.

(01:45:16):
This is assumed to be vacuum. And he's a light signals. See,
he's also he's also traveled the speed of light. Light
signals too, well, they're light signals. I'm almost simplifying a
little bit. I'm assuming that the sideways also can travel
light like light signals, maybe even electromic. Okay, it's too

(01:45:39):
much fish. I can't really explain it properly.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
We don't need you to on here. I just want to.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Look Okay, hang on, I'm just let's just change the color.
Let's just change the color. He was h Okay, is Ashton?

(01:46:11):
Ashton and I got super overlapping Jack. But we each
have our own will. But the the the causal diamond
diamond is observer dependent.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
So we have slight, but the beautify is so big
that everybody can be the same one. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Observe it dependent, So we're creating our own universes that
are then over we're in it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Well, well it's well, we're not creating it. Well yeah,
I wouldn't say we're creating. We're receiving it, so to speak.
You know, we're being influenced. These are all like influences,
external influences on us. Okay, Okay, now now this is
all matter, This is all I classic, this is you know,

(01:47:08):
this is matter. This is class this is the classical
matter matter. But the sideways are like mind mental waves
or mental signals. Okay, but now you can have say
we have a bunch, you know right now, say we're

(01:47:31):
in this causal diamond. Now there might be another causal
diamond out here, right, this could be other dimensions. So
that now this one they talk about other dimensions.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
Yeah, what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
What does it mean? But there could be this could
be an alien and this is us. Okay. Normally, normally
they can and you know we're apart where there's no
we're separated. However, with warp Sarafani, it's field be a

(01:48:17):
little warp drive, warp wormhole. Oh, let's call it tick
tack tack. Okay, so we can get from both that.
So you know, this is what when David Grush and others,

(01:48:42):
what does he know like the extra extra dimensionals? Yeah
mean this See maybe he doesn't. I don't know think.
I don't think he knows what he means. He's too Yeah,
he's not. He doesn't know about physics, you know, somebody doesn't.
He may have this in mind. I don't know. This
is a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
So with this type of thing, do you think it's
possible to have zero point energy? Do you believe in
zero points?

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Yeah? No, no's that's bullship. That's that's I mean, you're
not asking a question that makes any sense. Your question? Okay,
how do you say that? How moof Gang moof Gang
Pali one of the father's farm. Okay, not not even wrong?

(01:49:36):
Long You don't speak you don't speak the language capech.
I mean you don't you know what your sentence, Your
sentence is ill posed, Okay, for for for us scientists,
for serious for serious people.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
A different way, I've looked at this paper between you
and kind shoulders, where you talk about exotic vacuum objects
and their.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Ability to wait, wait, who shoulders?

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
You and kind of shoulders from the exotic vacuum. No yeah, yeah, no, No.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
First of all, forget that paper. I actually didn't write it.
He wrote it, and that was back. Yeah, the whole
story Ken's shoulders. He was the experiment of that. He
actually had some interesting things, but he didn't know any physics.
I didn't actually write the paper. I never actually approved it,
and I sort of letter he's the nice guys. I
didn't say I'm not Vaca, I'm out of academia. Anyway.

(01:50:33):
I didn't give a shit. But you know, if that's
your source of information.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
I just did a little bit of research. I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Yeah, yeah, okay, but it's a I haven't looked at
that thing for like thirty years, twenty five years. Whatever
he wrote. He's an interesting that's a whole story. He
spent the whole hour about Ken shoulders. He was he
was a spoof. He's cute. Do you ever see that
he's one of these guys who made all these instruments
from the CIA and you know all these secret you know,
little tens that do this that you know, you mean,

(01:51:01):
James Bond was a Q and yeah, yeah he was
for the Americans. He was the American qu. Yeah, he
do how put up and all these guys. He's an
interesting guy, creative man. And he had his own he
had his own auto gyr, had his own little private
one man helicopter. They had all these turkeys and big
turkey farm. And he's a real character etcentric, interesting that guy.

(01:51:23):
But yeah, okay, figure and ask a question. Trying to
ask me another question, I'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Yeah, okay, So my next one is going to be,
do you think we can achieve superluminal speeds? Going back
to what you were showing before with the David Grush stuff,
in terms of how these tic TACs may operate? Do
you think those are yes?

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
And the answer is yes, The answer is yes, And
there you have to go on vimeo Vimeo. Well maybe
I can do it from here.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
Yeah, he probably can.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Yeah. Wait a second, Wait a second, Wait a second,
wait a second, Let me go to let me go to.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Uh so we're going to see your wole search history here.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
So yeah, that's all right, So honey.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
He's got nothing to hide you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
No, no, no, honey, that's what it comes up. Uh yeah,
where's uh you have a lot of this thing?

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Are you looking to the one that I clipped the
other day? With the head.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
You're no that that that yeah, no, that that's a
good one. But that's the one that was good looking good,
the one okay going.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
Hopefully, well, I'm not sure we're gonna be able to
hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Yeah, that's the one. Okay, So it says, okay, now,
since you don't have a lot of patience, let me
get to the part. Where is the part? Let me
do I see? Am I able to just have a.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Lot of questions for you. I want to make sure
we get through as.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
He got tenser to the yeah, wait, wait, wait, let
me answer, wait, let me contend, let me let me
start metric system. And what it shows is that the
ice story it's basically reciprocal of what you might call

(01:53:36):
in string theory, the string tension, which is basically the
reciprocal of the force in Newton's So string tension is
like the space time stiffness of the fabric of I
didn't really want to do that for the bending by energy.
So these are just different ways of looking at this concept,

(01:53:57):
which is helpful for physicists to conceive new ideas. This
is the most important idea in all of Einstein's relativity theory.
Both the special theory of nineteen oh five, which didn't
have any gravity in it, and did nineteen fifteen theory
of general relativity that incorporated the gravitational field using the

(01:54:22):
equivalence principle of weightless warp drive and the action reaction principle.
And so this is the light the basic light cone structure.
It's an invariant all observers, no matter how they're moving,
whether they're accelerating not accelerating. We'll see the invariant local

(01:54:48):
light cone. This is a bedrock upon which the well.
This is the cornerstone of the temple of Einstein's relativity theory.
We have a picture from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
showing a four dimensional space time in which there is

(01:55:09):
no gravity. It's totally flat in the four dimensional sense.
And you think of the light cones like little arrows,
little spins analogous to magnetic moments in a ferromagnet, or
analogous to electric dipoles and Stuart hammer offs microtubules that
might be the seed of our consciousness. And you see

(01:55:30):
they're all lined up parallel. There's no relative tilt of
neighboring light cones to each other. That means is zero curvature.
This picture of curvature of space time as the tilting
the relative tilting of light cones is due to Roger Penrose,
who recently got a Nobel Prize along with Stephen Hawking

(01:55:51):
for their work on black holes. So here we see
again a key construct in the classic theory of relativity.
I say classical because it omits quantum epr entanglement effects
that changes the ball game. But we won't get into
that now. That's a more advanced topic that in particular

(01:56:15):
Roderick Sutherland down in Australia and his papers has shown
how to extend this notion. But this is the notion
of a retarded causation, which is also the basis of
Bell's locality inequality, which is actually violated in quantum mechanics.
So here what this only works in vacuum, and Alice

(01:56:40):
is past like cone must intersect Bob's future like cone
in order for Alice to see what Bob is doing
using what are called transverse polarized far field electromagnetic signals.
Einstein called them light rays, but it's more general than that. Now,

(01:57:02):
this is what fast than light travel is not. This
is what people tend to think it is where where
the UFO is actually traveling outside the light cone. When
it's outside the light cone, it's like at tachi on
it's fast in light. But that's not what warp driver is.
Warp drive is very different warp drivers motion without motion.

(01:57:24):
It's the actual controlled tilting of light cones, of neighboring
light cones, the relative tilting that is controlling the curvature
field directly with small amounts of energy. That's the key,
small amounts of energy. This again is a slide from
the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy on relativity, and it shows

(01:57:48):
the formation of a black hole with the event horizon.
I will not go into detail on that at this
particular time, but just check out the Sanford Encyclopedia Philosophy.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
On light Cones. Here we have the extreme case of
the correct way to think about fast and light warp drive,
which may contradict. Actually, I'm not sure all the published
papers by Alcubery and everyone else in Ontario, all of them,
they may not understand this, but we'll see. Time will tell.

(01:58:24):
And here what's happening. Alice is in fast and light
warp drive relative to Bob and so what we see
is that Alice's light cone is now tilted at ninety
degrees to Bob's light cone. This is the extreme case.
So light cones are perpendicular to each other, and therefore

(01:58:46):
Alice is able to see what's in front of her
future from retard as signals from the future light cone
of Bob. This is unusual to see normally, Normally, Alice's
past light cone must intersect Bob's future light cone. That's
when there's no gravity, when there's no curvature at all,

(01:59:08):
that's the way it is. But when you have warp
drive in an extreme case, when it goes globally faster
than light, even though locally it's not fast than light
inside the light cone. But so when Alan now alice
is red future light cone intersects Bob's red future light cone.
And that's the situation. So you see, there is no

(01:59:29):
event horizon the way some of the papers say there is.
In other words, Alice is not blind at all. She
can see what she can see Bob in front of her.
So there we are. So Alice controls the orientation of
her UFO's local light cone relative to the cosmological hubble

(01:59:51):
flow with small amounts of energy using the effect I
first revealed at the darker NASA one hundred Years Starship
or end of October twenty eleven meeting. So here I
have a picture of what I was talking about before,
hopefully a little bit clearer. And you can see that
Alice departs the Earth and say goes to Mars very quickly.

(02:00:15):
And one can see in the middle of the flight
there that Alice at position A sees C position C
ahead of her, because the retarded light ray from C
reaches Alice at A. That is because again Alice's future

(02:00:38):
light cone intersex Bob's at see his future like cones.
So when the two future light cones intersect, then there
is no more event horizon in the sense that Alqubery
and others have said there is. I think they're just mistaken.
They just made a mistake about that. I could be wrong.
We'll find out. Time will tell. And here we have

(02:01:03):
what I've been getting to. Here we have time travel
back from the future, and we don't have to worry
about Stephen Hawkings chronology protection conjecture, because this is not
really a closed timelike curve. It's a close time like curve.

(02:01:23):
Is like a short circuit. But this here, you see,
it's an open circuit. We haven't short it out, so
there's no catastrophe at all. And I think this is
not just a theory. This is an explanation of observations.
See all the weird observations of the flying sources from
time immemorial for thousands of years can easily be understood

(02:01:47):
on the basis of this picture. This is I think
a real conceptual breakthrough, which none of my colleagues, well
maybe a few of them. Now maybe jose Rodell understands that.
Maybe a few, but none of none of the big
the top guns, I think understand what I'm suggesting here.
Maybe I'm wrong. Well we shall see.

Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
Okay, there we go, so real quick, I have to
use the restroom. But can you explain to the audience
while I go what time dilation is and what your
thoughts are on that?

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
And I'll be O, no, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not
going to explain. You don't want it's a seliment. This
is like physics element, this is high school physics.

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
Well, the reason why I asked is because I want
to know if there's an impact of time dilation on
the video that you just saw. If that can help
explain whether there's no paradox or if you think that
we don't need that because time might be deterministic in
the sense that if we went back.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
And no, no, you know what your question makes absolutely no,
it's like a listening to a schizophratic talk work. It
makes no sense to me. I don't it makes us
The whole point about warp drive. If you understood altar,
there's no time dilation, but you can make it. So

(02:03:02):
there's time dilation. You can make the time. But in
the in the what's called geodesic warp drive, the internal
clock of the crew inside the ship remains synchronized with
the clocks outside the ship.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Okay, so uh, without a paradox, then I guess is
the question why is there a paradox? Well, if the time,
if the clocks stay in sync, we don't have a
time dilation effect. As I approached the speed of light,
then isn't there going to be a situation?

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
Right? Because you don't understand because you don't understand ship.
You understood nothing what I said. Because you're thinking like
Elon Musk. You think is that there's a ship that's
going through space. It's not the ship is not moving
through space. It's not special relativity. It's generative. And the
problem is that most of you humans just not You're

(02:03:59):
just too stupid to get it. I think I'm sorry.
You know I'm half alien? Yeah, yeah, yeah, my life.
What I mean by like, by the way, uh C,
I a John Ramirez and Gary Dolan's got tyler all

(02:04:21):
of us working. Most of us are hybrids. You know.
Gary Dolan said he's discovered that there's an extra brain
structure in all the experiences, all the contacts. You know
about that, right, you know about that?

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Uh no, tell us about that? While go back through
my beer back?

Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
All right, well you should get Gary up. What but okay,
we'll take the fee to take a break. O.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
Kah mhm h what's that? What's that?

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Oh? Okay? Are we? Uh? What have we got going
on here? Chat? Did we we took we took a
copy break?

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
Yeah? Just a minute. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
I can hear you.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
Oh you can hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Really, you yourself, We're gonna let me listen.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
It's the blue tooth. The blue the blue tooth reaches
over to the toilet. Listen, then I'm walking back. Make
sure my pants, make sure I look decent here just
a minute, see if the chat could hear you? That's
all right? Here? Did you hear that?

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
I'm not sure. I can't tell it from the chat.
That sounds like maybe they didn't in said anything.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
Okay, no, wait, we just got to put this on probably.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
A little intermission there.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
That was good, little a little and know we had
and we had some emissions too. How about mission all right?
So where where were we at now?

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
How about stop sharing for just a second. We can
just have a conversation and then if we need to
go back to the whiteboard.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
Okay, okay, okay, so how do I do that?

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
Should be at the top to shop?

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
Yeah, okay, stop sharing all right?

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
Okay, because I want to get some I want to
get your opinion on a few more people. So I'm
gonna throw some names out there. Oh wait, we've got
double jacks are fighting and let me remove this person. Yeah,
I think you gave away the give it the zoom
to a few too many people. Okay, So what are
your thoughts on Thomas Bearden and scaler physics in general?
Do you think that that's a way to achieve gravity

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manipulation with zero.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
Electronic It's total crap. My blood pressure because he's an idiot.
He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He
was a spook, he's a crack pod. Okay, nothing to it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
Okay. How about Thomas Toutson Brown? What do you think
about him? Do you ever get to meet him?

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
No? More bullshit, more bullshit?

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:07:32):
What about?

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
What about Salvator Paiez who has a super force theory.
It seems very similar to yours.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
Crap, another crack pond incompetent.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Okay, uh? And what about uh? Actually that's all I
have for names. How about the idea of super conductivity?
Do you think LK ninety nine you follow that at
all this last summer? Or I think there was an
American Physical Society thing? What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (02:08:00):
Why? Shy, I don't have anything.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Do you think that people have tried to debunk in
and say it's not really super conductive?

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
Why you ask me such a stupid question? A stupid
question asked me. I'm not working. I don't know if
i'd love it to be true.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
And that's my next question, because so I guess the
better question, smarter question is I've seen you say that
you think that meta materials can achieve super conductivity through
potentially precise crystal lattice structures. What why is that important
for anti gravity or whatever you want to call it
anti gravity?

Speaker 2 (02:08:37):
That's a better question. That's a better question. It's room temperature. Yep, Okay,
now I have to go back.

Speaker 1 (02:08:47):
Oh we gotta go back to the white more. Do
you want to get it back up?

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:08:52):
And while you do that, do you think that AI
can help us find those types of meta materials?

Speaker 2 (02:08:56):
Of course? Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Do you think we'll see gravity control and next twenty years?
Twenty five years? Do you think we already have it?

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
Now you're asking kind of a dumb question. We're seeing
it all the time after bufos?

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
Okay, but those are asking, right, Some of them we
don't know, some of.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Them are yeah, not all of them. Let's see what
happened then you've seen yeah, Okay, are we seeing my stuff?

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
Yeah? Yeah, we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (02:09:38):
Okay, So all right, so oh wait, all right, so
all right, so what are you asking now? Ask the
question again? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
So I think we were talking about super conductivity and
why it's important room temperature superconnectivity. Why is important for
gravity manipulation?

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
Okay, first of all, superconductors.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
For the chat, those are semic conductors with zero electrical resistance.
They can produce the Measoner effects.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
And if they yeah yeah, if they don't even know
what a super inductor is, they shouldn't even be watching.

Speaker 1 (02:10:24):
The case.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
Yeah, but okay, that they are thermal thermodynamic dam equilibrium
librium what are called closed systems. In other words, this

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is the environment, this is the super inductor. This is yeah,
the therma insulating war in other words, you cool it down.
It's has been you know, temperatures, temperature.

Speaker 1 (02:11:19):
Yeah, in order to get the cooper pairs to form.

Speaker 2 (02:11:21):
Yeah yeah, very low temperature, right music they yeah, mirror

(02:11:42):
like a mirror, mirror, a mirror, yeah yeah yeah, A
pump yeah, photons, pump photons come here. You haven't adams
h like two level atoms. The pump photons come in

(02:12:06):
and they excite the atoms into excited states and then
and then it's right, then the you know, there's a
decay aka the excited state and outcomes coherent coherent matter
laser photons your laser beam, right, mhm. In an open system,

(02:12:40):
not an equilibrium, non equilibrium kah. Now after supereductor, superconductor
has a giant yeah, giant wave function wave function. We'll

(02:13:06):
hear it inside. You know, the Cooper pairs. Cooper pairs
are all what's called the boss. So like, what's a
Bose Einstein condensate because laser sam here, but there's like

(02:13:28):
a giant wave function there, kh oh in Alayser is
exactly equal? Will be well, it's neutral, so be a
super a laser is a non equilibrium equilibrium the uh

(02:13:55):
superfluid like helium superfluid.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
Yeah, the laser the photons onto.

Speaker 2 (02:14:04):
Yeah yeah, wave like john equilibrium okay, yeah, general meta
material yeah, the you know you have the the meta

(02:14:24):
artificial atoms artificial official meta atoms mm hm, metsa atoms.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
There structure here.

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
Then yeah, let's think of about something quantum dots. Look
at look at quantum dots. It's a good example for
example quant dots. Okay, mhm, but they have you have
you have pump hm, some photons coming in chelaser and

(02:15:10):
what happens is, okay, here's a photon photon and here
is a meta atom and it's actually a bunch of
and there are a bunch of meta and the meta
atoms are interacting with each other. Okay, a meta atoms,

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any any many particles, systems, any many particle system forms,
emergent emergent what are called quasi particles, the particles and

(02:15:58):
also collective mode, collective modes. Well, so you look at
the entire look up normal loads, normal loads of oscillation,
loads of oscillation. Okay, so now it's like a laser

(02:16:25):
open system. Alright, look a lasers. Now what happens? So say,
here's a this is the fuselage minim meta material. Yeah,

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and you have an energy store, some kind of pump,
photons and right here the pump, the photon, the photon
here it interacts with these, It interacts with these better
adds that it forms. Let me use a different notes color.

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Hang on, h So these little wiggles, those are let's
call them the quasi particles, the quasi particles. Okay, uh,

(02:17:42):
Now like photons, they mixed their hybrids, hybrid some photons
photons with with the better adams. Yeah, what were we

(02:18:05):
configue up there? Like the things like pulatons like fullara
times pollitons, like they're like photons photons plus electric dipoles,
electric dipoles. The meta atom, the meta atom is electric dipoles.

(02:18:32):
By the way, we are a microtubules. You know our
bodies micro tubules. We are meta material. We are meta material.
That's a material. In fact, all living matter h is

(02:19:03):
meta material. Then we're artificial artificial not official right where where?
Or yeah, yeah we're yeah, we're we are organic organic,

(02:19:24):
organic molecular right and you can think of it thinking
the Michael tubules are our our like roll roll meta surfaces.

(02:19:52):
If you go to hammer up, you go to Steward
hammer off. H.

Speaker 1 (02:20:00):
Yeah, we might have to just for brevity, we might
have to skip the whiteboard here because I think that
you could just we can just say some of this
here in general.

Speaker 2 (02:20:07):
No, no, really no I can't. I don't want to
skip organizes. My mind is my mind. I think visually.
I don't think of audio. And you know people have
weak minds. They you know, this is not for everybody.

(02:20:27):
This is only the best and the brightest, the best,
the brightest with strong minds. But like the Marines, you
know what I mean, we don't want to know. No
more weak pukes, No more weak pukes. No, no, no, snowflakes, flakes.

(02:20:56):
This is not a space, not a safe space.

Speaker 1 (02:21:01):
Definitely not This is definitely not a space. This we'll see.

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
Yeah, come on.

Speaker 1 (02:21:09):
Okay, So back to super connectivity though, we are trying
to get what the nature of it related gravity is.
So let's let's focus.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
On that dead there. But you can't get there too
fast or you don't have ship you get there too fast.
You're like, Hi, you got towns in brown.

Speaker 3 (02:21:28):
With Savage. That would be a great conversation. I feel
like you, guys, No, it wouldn't. I wouldn't waste my
time because you know what, E's actually a very nice man.
I see it was a nice Italian man, nice guy.
And I don't want to destroy him personally because I
just destroy him, you think, so, I think absolutely no,

(02:21:48):
absolutely no.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
I'm a fucking PhD in direco physics strained by Hanspeder
and he's just some kind of low level degree.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
I think he's got all though.

Speaker 2 (02:21:56):
Actually, if I'm where, I have to look it up
and see.

Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
What you're going.

Speaker 2 (02:22:03):
You keep going though, Yeah no, yeah, but one of
his back I'm curious now what is his what is
his educational background?

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
Okay, so we're going to do the site. So yeah,
so he has his PhD and Mechanical and Aerospace engineering
in nineteen ninety nine another subject of bubble generation or
reduced gravity conditions for both co flow and crosslow configurations.
Uh it was from case Western Reserve.

Speaker 2 (02:22:30):
Okay, but not a venue. But you know what, none
of what he learned is relevant to the pusiness not
He's not a theoretical that gravity he was doing was
observational stuff on Newtony and gravity had nothing to do
with general relativity. He doesn't understand it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
His equations are pretty similar to yours, I thought, but
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:22:48):
No they're not because you're an asshole muck who doesn't
know what the fucking saying. There's no idea but like mine.
Oh okay, there's no comparison. You don't know anything. Yeah,
you're totally ignorant. The academia works a different special what
physics is different specializations. He's an engineer. He did not
take the kinds of course as I took. And he

(02:23:10):
doesn't know what I know, and I don't know what
he knows. By the way, this is science is big,
it's very special he's specialized. I'm sure he knows, you know,
his narrow field of mechanical engineering in a certain things
he knows which I would not pretend to know. Well,
so he doesn't know what I know. He's not qualified. Okay, Wait,
it's like he is. Like with doctors. There's a guy

(02:23:33):
saying who fixes broken bones, and he's and there's a
brain surgery a guy who fixes your broken bone. You
don't want him to operate on your brain. They're two
separate things. They're bunt doctors, okay, and in their respective fields,
and they respect same thing here, he's not qualified in
this field. What he says has no weight. In fact,

(02:23:57):
that's wrong period.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
Respectfully.

Speaker 2 (02:24:03):
There was and it was a scandal that the Navy
is incompetent to people around him in the fucking Navy.
They should be fired.

Speaker 1 (02:24:10):
Do you think so? Don't you like? My opinion is
that he's actually like seen some UFOs personally. Otherwise how
would he come up?

Speaker 2 (02:24:16):
Oh, well, that's stupid. I'm not talking about I'm not
talking about that. I'm talking about the patents. They wasted
money on patents than any good things. This right away.
Everybody knows it. Look bullshit, I'm not the only one.
It's the consensus of a competent people.

Speaker 1 (02:24:33):
I guess we'll see.

Speaker 2 (02:24:35):
He's a nice man. I don't want to be, you know,
nice man personally. Nothing handsome personally.

Speaker 1 (02:24:42):
So you think those patents though, are what do they
call limited hangout? Is that what they call it? Where
it's like you think it's.

Speaker 2 (02:24:49):
No, that's just that that that the people are stupid
people in the patent of it's a stupid the people
the Navy is stupid by it's just stupid, and it's
just the Triumph is stupid. Well, an idiotocracy living in
a very stupid society right now. And it's because because
everything's been dumbed down with a bad education for threeople
for generations, and and that's why the United States is

(02:25:10):
going down. We're going under. I'm going under because because
compared to other countries, we have a lot of stupid
people running things. And then we get into that. So
let's get back.

Speaker 1 (02:25:21):
Let's go back to the super conductivity here, so a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:25:27):
Yeah, so the meta material, let me let let's go
back a lot of people. That's okay. So so here's
the UFO. This is a meta material, meta material.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
You think that's bismuth magnesium zinc potentially as a meta material,
and they talk.

Speaker 2 (02:25:50):
About I don't know if I don't, I don't know that.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:25:53):
Don't ask me. It's stupid. Okay, we don't know what.
You know what, there's a whole other thing we have
to get retrieved material from the UFO. Well, that's a
whole other story about it. I don't I'm not. I'm
not ask Gary Nolan or ask Larry Limp. I'm not,
you know, doing the research on the business. I have

(02:26:16):
my doubts about it. But yeah, I don't know. I
don't have to know that. That's not the way, that's
not the level I operate on. That's not what physics is.
What theoretical does like me do. Okay, Now, now the
point is the point is I'm most say saying, okay,
So the point is there's some energy sauce in here.
There's an energy source, like an energy source, you know,

(02:26:40):
it's a pump, pump. Okay, it's an energy sauce, and
that energy source is activating. Yeah, so it's forming a
what's called the room temperature temperature for sure, Let's call

(02:27:06):
it like a yeah, uh, let's call it let's call
it a h macro quantum coherent for heerent uh. They

(02:27:27):
call it it's technical then order parameter, order parameter. You
can think of it's a giant. It's like a giant
wave function, like a giant.

Speaker 1 (02:27:41):
Like a matter wave, coherent matter wave maybe.

Speaker 2 (02:27:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of of these of these quasi particles.

Speaker 1 (02:27:47):
Yeah, Lucky Martin is actually patent for a coherent matter wave.
Being pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (02:27:52):
Well, I don't know that. Don't don't bring in extremely
quasi particles. It may maybe simply related, it may not be.
I have to see it, all right. So now once
you have that, once you have let's say this is
ci this giant wave function, just like a superconductor, but

(02:28:15):
it's a room temperature. I can say it's the squarit
of n E to the I data. This is what's
called this is a complex function, complex number. This what's
called the polar polar representation sentation. They can't of a

(02:28:37):
complex of a complex number like it. Here's a complex
plane and this is this is the n and this
is like data. This is the this is what called
the real part of z of coal on the side.

(02:29:06):
This is a real sign. There's the imaginary sign, and
that's what this is. Now, this is a giant thing.
This n is very big. It could be like like
ten to the twenty three something like that number. This
is like the number of This is the number of

(02:29:26):
meta material closet particles in the same single particle quantum
state like Mozaritstein Chandos say, Okay, now you look at
that material that does that material has a resonance, has
a residence. Okay, now we get into the nitty gritty here.

(02:29:49):
That residence is. There's something called i'll call it a bar.
This is called the electrical firmativity. Mm hmm. It's like
like dielectric so roughly speeding light. It's similar to dielectric constant,

(02:30:11):
but it's a pure number. It's what's called the relative constant. Okay,
e r the e of e zero. This is the
vacuum vacuum where square c squared is one of the
e zero U zero is three times tens of the
eight meters or second in vacuum, in what's called in vacuum.

(02:30:41):
In vacuum, okay, but the speed of light, the speed
of light and in matter is different in matter, and
it's called c prime squad is u c squared times
epsilon Are you are? Is that? Okay? It's different. And

(02:31:03):
if you want this, uh the square root of epsilon
R view, I'm only doing a E R here and
square to that. That's called the that's sort of the
index of refraction, index of refraction. This is all standard physics. Okay,
go back. So now, so e R E R is

(02:31:30):
one minus omega p squared over omega zero squad minus
omega squid plus i gamma omega. This is a residence formula.
This is called This is called omega P. It is
called the plasma frequency plasma frequency, and omega zero is

(02:31:58):
the resonance frequency MH this frequency of the of like
the meta Adams from the meta Adams, thet'll say roughly,
I'm I'm always a point of it. And omega is
the pump external pump frequency. This looks at this, if

(02:32:23):
you plot this, this looks like it's like a residence.
This is frequency, and this is her and here this omegas.
That's the residence. And this is gamma. The width the
within the wid okay, the width of the residents spectroscopy,

(02:32:48):
you know. Okay, so that's the actual math, k H.
Now what you do that's good. Look at e R
at the residence, at the resident frequency. And if you

(02:33:09):
do that, that's sequel to one minus omega the squared
the omega zero the first time. You just have I
I gamma omega zero. Okay, and I can write that
is I could write that, well, I I squared is
equal to minus one. Imagine, imagine the unit and because

(02:33:37):
plus I, it's this is it's a complex number. Okay.
But but here's the trick. Gamma gamma is with with
the residents half within that's gamma gamma. It turns out
is one over tow roughly uh h square root uh

(02:34:05):
uh and yeah, squiritive that's caama. Now this comes from
this is derived from Heisenberg's Heisenberg Isenberg's certainty principle principle.

(02:34:37):
But for what's called number of number and delta data.
This phase, this is the phase of the coherent way.
Now where where we're side is the squirtiven into the
eye data. That's his status. Quinn got a piece of

(02:35:04):
apple stuck in my thumb. Newton's revenge. I started eating
Newton's apple. Okay, now let's go. So now we are
at residence. See if the one plus i or megapiece

(02:35:26):
squared the resident frequency times now, but that gamma, that
gamma turns out to be cow squirreed event. See that
squared event because it was in the denominator. This is
algebra now squared event. So so we are it's proportional

(02:35:50):
to the squairre it event. But the square event is
gonna get very big and in the condest it could
be it could be you know, like ten to the
third something, It could be very big. So so basically,
so what is he are e r so the the
the the with gamma it's like one over the squirre man,

(02:36:13):
but the height is scaling as in that's the trick M.
That is, let us all fati as this comment. Boys,
the Russians noticed the Russians, you know, Poot sent his
guys over the interview me when Obama was present. They

(02:36:34):
came over twice, so the Russians know all the ship.
In fact, after they invited me to Moscow, asked you
why I didn't go. So you your earlier question of
the Russians ahead, They probably are because they have smarter
people than we do. All right, so let's go on.

Speaker 1 (02:36:52):
So is the trick here that the super conductivity due
to the ample of this nature of the raider and
increasing here is that this is the secret sauce, especially essentially.

Speaker 2 (02:37:04):
For this is it. This is it, This is it.
But most people be too stupid to even understand anything
I'm saying. So that's why I'm talking to a bunch
of apes at the monolith. All right, this is the
way it works, understood, all right, So now Einstein's field

(02:37:25):
equation in a simple time, I'm over simplifying Einstein's field
equation nineteen fifteen. There's a pie g of a seat
of the poor team. You knew, But that's the vacuum.
They made a mistake. But all the all the kings

(02:37:47):
men in the sand. It shouldn't be the vacuum should
be what's inside the material there? Why should this is?
This is inside the material? So why you use the
speed of light and vacuum wh there's no material? You see,
The whole thing is stupid.

Speaker 1 (02:38:03):
Yeah, the speed of light's not constant, as I were saying,
due to the pervctivity of the element the element itself.

Speaker 2 (02:38:10):
Yes, yes, so, and you know it's it's a little
more complicated. I'm over simplifying a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:38:15):
I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (02:38:16):
There are all kinds of there are all kinds of
problems about what's covariance and variance and ten get you know.

Speaker 1 (02:38:22):
We can yeah, yeah, just you know, simplified.

Speaker 2 (02:38:28):
Yeah. Now look this number eight pi g a receipt
of the four This vacuum that's equal to two times
ten to the minus forty three Newton's Newton's to the
minus one reciprocal Newtons new there's a unit of force

(02:38:50):
in ks where this is the gravity. This is gravity,
and that's measured in one over meters square. Mm hmm,
that's curvature. Meet a square one over areas. Okay, but
now we stick in now but the s but okay,

(02:39:11):
let's go here. One oversea to the fourth goes as
epsilon are me are square goes to the square. I've forgotten.
I'm forgetting about the v R because that's yeah, I'm
trying to make it as simple as possible. The vu
R is the magnetic that said, with the magnetic permeability,

(02:39:32):
I'm only talking about that the electric dielectrical part. You know,
just keep it as you know, just as simple as
possible without it being simpler than is possible. So now,
so what we have is that GMI you knew is
two times ten to the minus forty three times. This

(02:39:56):
thing is uh is n and then what I have, Uh,
let's say I had an omega. Uh, I'll make it
to the fourth omega zero squared, and then I have
a towel a town squared times team you knew, team

(02:40:16):
you knew. Okay, this is what's called. This is a
stress energy tense. This is like from the pump, the
electromagnetic pump. HM. You could say, okay, this is the
residence now and uh, this end and could be like

(02:40:42):
and could be like saying what tends to the what
do we want? Let's let's say that and says like
tens of the something number anything ten to the forty
why can't be? Why not? Why not? And then yeah,
this could be big too. Now normally w p of
a w normally this is uh less than one what's

(02:41:07):
called fifield. But what's called the near field, which is
all we're interesting in the near field, this could be
pretty big also, but we you know, so, so the
point is this, this is this so this this strength
and so this is this is the this is the secret.
So we're able So what this means is we can

(02:41:30):
make a desire. We we've desired gmu new Field, you know,
in order to say we want to cancel the irth's gravity.
So both have a UFO. It's hovering. It's hovering right.

(02:41:50):
Here's he's standing under it. This is Travis Taylor Tailor,
this is skin Walker Ranch and I forgot to show
that you could also make You can make it anti
gravity because it's a fad that I in there because

(02:42:13):
of the eye that's in there, Because because because because
SI goes as the square of them and each of
the eye theata. By playing with this parameter, I can
change the effective sign of the gravity from attractive to repulsive. Okay,

(02:42:33):
it's it's like getting negative mass without negative mass. See,
there's all kinds of stuff. This thing is so beautiful.
These everybody that does so why do I get pissed up?
I don't want to hear about idiots, Paiez. You know,
thousand they're monkeys. You understand they're monkeys playing a typewriter. Then,
but they're the ape set the monolith in space Odyssey.

(02:42:56):
You know, can I think around? They don't know, they
don't know what to look for. This is the real
theoretical physics of Albert Einstein has taught to me by
people like Hans Beta, Richard Bindman. You're the top guys,
not the mechanical engineers, you know, fixing the toilets at
Case Western Reserve University. Youn say what I'm saying here?

(02:43:17):
This a simple Now it turns out, it turns out
that any top theoretical physicists students at cal Tech at
MIT at least about years ago, I know how it
is now at Harvard, you know, before they before the
woken assholes took everything over, they could have been you know,
if I they could be having a PhD oral exam

(02:43:38):
and I could be the examining professor, and I tell
them give certain hints, and I say, telling me how
to solve the problem, and they should be able to
solve this problem because it's very elementary. It's not hard.
It's easy. It's an easy problem, not a hard problem.
Is that because people are so stupid and don't know
basic physics that they think it's a hard problem. So
anybody tells you that they don't, that we don't understand

(02:44:01):
the technology, it's a million thousands in the future. That
guy is an idiot. Or he's lying deliberately lying. Okay,
so that guy, Okay, so that's it. They are faked.
They are false prophets. They don't know what the fuck
they're talking about, what they do. They're misleading you deliberately,
but generally they're just stupid smucks. They don't know, you know,
they don't know their ship from Shain all about this.

(02:44:23):
See so there it is, so now yeah, so there, okay, okay,
so that's let's just say so the idea is you
have a desired gem you knew, and it's equal to
two times ten to the minus forty three times this,
this end times this other ship and team you knew,

(02:44:45):
so you keep this fixed. This is something you desire
to cancel your its gravity. I can I can show
you how to calculate it, but that's already doing too much.
We use what's called the divergence there divergence theorem. In
a special case, use the Burgess theorem, and you can
calculate the G field the G field, and you make

(02:45:09):
it anti gravity. You can cancel out the Earth's field.
You cancel out the Earth's field by by choosing and
and FDA. There's there's actually a fada you know hidden
in there you could by by making end big enough
and choosing theta just right, you can reverse the sign
so it becomes anti gravity. Okay, for small this is

(02:45:30):
the energy input for small as this as this coefficient
gets big, this is fixed. This gets small. Understand that's
what the idea is. You want to make this coupling
big enough and this small enough so you could do
it simply. And the point is, we know we see
these things flying around. They have this technology to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:45:52):
It done.

Speaker 2 (02:45:53):
This exists. This is operation Okay, this is but this
is how it works. This is how it works. Now.
The problem is back to Travis Taylor and the guys
at skin Walk. They got sick because when it's anti gravity,
when it's hommering in other words, when there's the okay,

(02:46:13):
so there is the Earth's gravity. This is the earth gravity, right,
and then there's the ship makes anti gravity. There's the
UFO and the anti gravity minus G. To cancel it.

(02:46:33):
We want to cancel it. Right, So now you're with me.
Do you see what I just did, ranking the G
and ranking the G to cancel the blue G cancels
the red G. But this makes this makes a blue
shift that's a blue shift. Ye, a blue shift. What's
sudden noise? That's ionizing radiation? Ionizing radiation. You got radiation sickness.

(02:47:07):
It's like it's like being in a nuclear explosion underneath
these things.

Speaker 1 (02:47:11):
It's gonna make is that? Is that yours?

Speaker 2 (02:47:15):
It's not me?

Speaker 1 (02:47:17):
So we only have a few more minutes, so I
appreciate you going through this. Do you want to take
a quick look at some videos that I've got that
may show this effect. I want to get your opinion
if that's okay?

Speaker 2 (02:47:24):
All right, okay, okay, And then.

Speaker 1 (02:47:26):
I got to drop because I do have another engagement.
But I've appreciated this time. This has been awesome. I'm
gonna ahead and share my my screen here real quick,
and let's take a look at these videos here.

Speaker 2 (02:47:38):
Okay, wait a minute, dude, let me see what?

Speaker 1 (02:47:40):
Can you see it?

Speaker 2 (02:47:42):
Wait a minute? Let me go down my other laptop.
Heng on, Well go ahead, I'm well make it bigger.
I don't make it bigger?

Speaker 1 (02:47:49):
Oh yeah, you can see it? Can you make it bigger?

Speaker 2 (02:47:56):
Let me see?

Speaker 1 (02:47:57):
Oh I just crash it.

Speaker 2 (02:47:58):
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 1 (02:47:59):
How's that? Can you see it? I lost you? Now
you're muted. I can't hear you. So now you muted yourself,
I think we can't hear Jack. It's like the chat
says as well says your timer is bleeping. I can't

(02:48:20):
hear you. I'm gonna play the video even though I
can't hear you though. Yeah, I'm just gonna play it, okay.
So I just wanted to show you this. Even if
you can't hear me, or you can probably hear me,
I just can't hear you. So the reason why I
will show you this is the videos that I've been
talking about. I'm not gonna go into all of them,
but to what you just said with the anti gravitational aspects,
this is why I want to talk to you because
when we're looking at these orbs come in, I think

(02:48:42):
that we're looking at that type of anti gravitational effect.
I actually think there's two anti gravitational effects happening here.
The one is that they're displaced from space time and
then you see them do this pattern where it seems
like this pattern has some purpose, which I would wonder
if this is ER equals EPR at maybe at Einstein Rosenbridge.
I can't hear you at all. By the way, Jack, doctor,

(02:49:05):
Sir Friday, I can't hear you, but no I didn't.
I didn't mute him. And and then what we see
here in an essence here in a second is potential
amplification of the energy here, which makes me wonder about
the equations that you just posted where the plane disappears. Yeah,
I see if you can fix the sound on your side.
While you're doing that, I'm gonna play the other video

(02:49:26):
as well. Yeah, Chat says, we can't hear you. I
can't hear you either. Unfortunately, don't have you muted. You're
definitely not muted. I'll just commentate while you are figuring

(02:49:56):
that out. On this one, we can see the heat
signature of the orbs, and you can tell that there
are displacing gravity themselves, but they're also pulling themselves forward
here at the same time. Still can't hear you. No,
Oh wait, there you go say something again, Jack, say something.

(02:50:20):
I heard some feedback there, so it sounded like you
were you're getting sound through one of your devices. I
don't know which one it is. Can you say something?
Still can't hear you, No, microphone's still dead. No, I
can't hear you. I can see her lips moving, but
I can't hear you. Still can't hear you.

Speaker 2 (02:50:47):
You can't you can't hear me.

Speaker 1 (02:50:48):
I can hear you now, Yeah, you're you're in. I
can hear you now.

Speaker 2 (02:50:50):
Oh okay, I think what happened. I don't know what
happens with the earputs.

Speaker 1 (02:50:53):
You can hear me now, yea, yeah, yeah, you're good,
You're good?

Speaker 2 (02:50:55):
All right?

Speaker 1 (02:50:56):
So what do you think? Are we looking at video
games effects here? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (02:51:00):
You know? Why? Because anything could be c G. I
I'm not an expert and evalue. I'm not a c
I a analyst and and evaluating. There are people who
can evaluate that.

Speaker 1 (02:51:14):
That's not me.

Speaker 2 (02:51:15):
It's not my job. It's a waste of my time.
I don't give a ship because I don't know. I
can be fooled as easy as the next to me,
and I know the limits of my expertise. So this
looks like bad CGI to me. Anything be fake, you
know the deep fakes that you can't believe anything you see.
This has to be done by you know, by uh uh.

(02:51:37):
There's a forensic This guy one three, I know he
has a guy in Israel. If they're still alive, they
can do it. You know, they do a computer analysis
and and check to make sure it's not artificial. So
so this is worthless. There's no evidence, nothing. It's worthless
because we don't know. We don't know, we don't know

(02:51:58):
how this was done, who made.

Speaker 1 (02:51:59):
This, So there's no way to tell, just from a
physics standpoint, if this is what it would look like,
there's nothing here.

Speaker 2 (02:52:05):
I don't understand. It's nothing. It has no value whatsoever
unless it's analyzed by the proper people with the proper
equipment to check pixel by pixel whether it's fake or
not fake. They can tell. I can't tell. That's not
my field of expertise. And you should be intelligent enough
to know the difference. What I'm able to talk about.

(02:52:27):
I can't talk about that one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (02:52:29):
I just wanted to see what your opinion was.

Speaker 2 (02:52:30):
That's want anybody else. The deep fakes are very good,
that's true to be artificial intelligence. We don't know if
it's real. Where'd you get it from? Who gave it
to you?

Speaker 1 (02:52:38):
I found it on the internet from twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (02:52:40):
Well, then that's bullshit. You can't believe any anyone who
believes what they're seeing on the Internet without checking it.
As an idiot, I.

Speaker 1 (02:52:48):
Checked into it. I think I found the guy who
make those videos.

Speaker 2 (02:52:50):
Why, that's why we have a war in Ukraine, because
people are stupid like you and everybody in most Americans idiots, naive,
gullable schmucks.

Speaker 1 (02:52:59):
No, I'm pretty sure the videos are real. But you're
entitled to your opinion for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:53:03):
Yeah, there's no my opinion is worth us. Your opinion
is worthless because you don't know what the fuck you're saying.
You don't know if it's real or not.

Speaker 1 (02:53:10):
I'm pretty sure it's real.

Speaker 2 (02:53:11):
There's a way of finding out if it is reel.
But you haven't done your job. You haven't done any
due diligence.

Speaker 1 (02:53:18):
Leaker, I found the leaker of the videos, so you
can give it.

Speaker 2 (02:53:21):
I can put you in touch. Oh wait a minute,
you know one for real?

Speaker 1 (02:53:25):
Yeah, we'll in touch with him.

Speaker 2 (02:53:26):
Okay, So you tell you get you give the file
to one. He gives it to his friends in Israel
and they'll tell you if it's real or not. Yeah,
he has guys who can do that. That's expertise. But
you know that's like the highest like the National Reconnaissance Office,
National Security agency.

Speaker 1 (02:53:44):
They do that. N r O, they do that. Oh,
n r O. I sent them to the ar O
as well, so I hope they come back to me. No,
that r O the National Rester National Concerts Office, not
the ar There are a.

Speaker 2 (02:53:57):
Bunch of idiots. Yeah, it's just more than you are.

Speaker 1 (02:54:02):
That's very point.

Speaker 2 (02:54:04):
Is this. All the stuff you see on the internet
is worthless. It's worthless. There's no scientific value whatsoever, no evidentry.
And by the way, that's probably why a lot of
at the Pentagon they said, you know, there's no evidence.
That's the kind of evidence let's take. Well, let's put it.

(02:54:27):
If it's real, they'll classify it. I have seen, Oh
I have seen the real thing. You haven't seen it.
I've seen it. Okay, I've seen it. So that's why
i'm because I know this stuff is real, but not
the ship you're showing me. I saw, you know, stuff
that's vetted by the military. You know that's there's just

(02:54:48):
from the horse's mouth.

Speaker 1 (02:54:50):
And you know, did it look like tak or did
it look like an orbit?

Speaker 2 (02:54:54):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:54:55):
I can't say that. I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (02:55:00):
I know, I don't want to get my source in trouble.

Speaker 1 (02:55:03):
Ah, ok gotcha. Okay, I thought you heard it first.
I thought you've seen it firsthand though what I thought
you've seen it firsthand though you just said you've seen it.

Speaker 2 (02:55:12):
I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen firsthand evidence
from my active military source who's in charge of the project. Yeah, okay, okay,
I'm seeing but I know I know what I'm seeing
is not fake because I know who this guy is.
I work with. I know who the guy is. He's
the real McCoy. And the reason they're showing it to

(02:55:32):
me is because they know I can under like they
were not able to explain it. That's why they came
to me. They're not stupid, makes sense, okay. And also
they're not American. Huh.

Speaker 1 (02:55:49):
I don't want you to get your source in trouble here,
but yeah, I appreciate it, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:55:53):
And that's why. That's why, that's why President and Biden
listening to and Blincoln and Stinking and Newland and all that,
that's why they lost they You know, I was at
Bohemian Grove, this place called Bohemian Grove a couple of
years ago, and I heard Robert Gates was talking. Somebody

(02:56:16):
asked him. He was giving a talk up at the
lake there, you know where they have the ceremony, you know,
with the owl, and and somebody asked him, this is
back pre COVID, you know, this is when Biden was
when Trump. Trump was the president then and and Biden
there was no longer vice president. And somebody asked Gates.
Somebody from the audience asked Gates what they thought of

(02:56:39):
Joe Biden. And Gates just looked and said, every foreign
policy decision that Joe Biden was involved with ended in disaster.
This is a bat By twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, right
at the Bohemian Grove. And so now we see it.
I've got it. The pull out funk Bull was totally

(02:57:01):
botched by the idiots, the incompetence. And now Kiev what
let me just say, if you look at and do
your research, Putin is now preparing an offensive. That's why
they're bombing, pulling out the power stations with the missiles.
Putin is going to destroy to make an unconditional surrender

(02:57:26):
of Zelensky in Kiev before the election, probably before by
the only reason that which we're still trying to support
Ukraine is so Biden is affair. He's going to lose
the election with In other words, there's going to be
a humiliating defeat before November twenty twenty four in Ukraine.
So they've already lost, but it's going to be obviously

(02:57:48):
everyone lost, and and that way Putin is interfering the election,
but we interfered in his stuff too, So tit for tat, so.

Speaker 1 (02:57:58):
Real quick, thank you. I appreciate your time. I have
to drop as I have a space I've got to
join here, but I want to give you a moment
to plug anything you want to plug. But before that,
I want to go ahead and just make you an
honorary member of m H three seventy X. We advance,
we look into advanced science. No no, I made you.

Speaker 2 (02:58:13):
No. Let me just say, don't don't check, just listen.
My final words may have happened. I don't know if
it happened or not. Okay, it may have happened, but
you don't know. You have no information because that evidence
you presented is worthless until you get it. Okay, you

(02:58:34):
send the files to one and if one is able
to get his friends to work on it, and if
they say it's legitimate, then you have something right now,
you got to nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:58:42):
Oh no, but my the organization that makes three seventy
X isn't necessarily just based on the videos. It's just
about advanced science, which I appreciate you showed us here today,
which was amazing. So thank you for going through those
equations and everything with me today. I thought it was awesome.
I appreciated the political commentary as well. I thought it
was very interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:58:57):
I think we don't get a lot of that, okay,
but understand that, understand that that in order to be uh,
in order not to be just a propaganda this just
would be some flight that's pushing all kinds of bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:59:07):
Doesn't know this, you know, like all the other flakes
like Jeremy Corble, George Knapp, all these assholes, all these idiots,
is just spreading some of the stuff. You know, some
of it is true, some of it isn't true, but
they're too stupid to know what's true or not. What
methods are that if you want to present evidence, make
sure you got real evidence and not bullshit that you
got off the internet.

Speaker 1 (02:59:27):
Absolutely, So that's it, thank you, sir. Do you want
to plug anything real quick as well?

Speaker 2 (02:59:32):
I know you've plugged.

Speaker 1 (02:59:33):
Do you want to plug any you know, anything you're
working with.

Speaker 2 (02:59:37):
I'll plug you know. Get The Great Race by David
Gladstone on Amazon. Five bucks in you get some some
decent information.

Speaker 1 (02:59:47):
Awesome. Thank you very much, Jack, have a great day, sir.
I appreciate you, doctor, Sir Fiddy, and everybody else has
been following. Awesome. Thank you guys very much.

Speaker 2 (02:59:54):
Okay, so, how many so? How many people