Born Worthy with Gail Jones

Air Date - 18 November 2025

We’re not defined by our circumstances, nor our pasts. No matter what’s happening externally, we have the power to find and create from our greatness. In fact, we’re all BORN WORTHY. Worthiness is not something we earn; it’s something we claim.

About the Guest:

Gail Kauranen Jones (AKA “Coach Gail Jones) is a nationally recognized worthiness and transition expert, with more than 25 years of expertise in helping others transform their lives.

She is the recipient of the prestigious CREA award from Brainz Magazine for her articles on mental health related to worthiness and high self-esteem. She is also certified in high self-esteem coaching for parents, educators, and kids.

Gail has been a guest on TV, radio, and leading local and global podcasts, as well as a contributing writer for Maria Shriver’s Sunday Paper, Arianna Huffington’s Thrive Global, and many others.

Gail lives in Exeter, New Hampshire, thriving in the beauty of the New England Seacoast, which has inspired so much of her writing. She is the author of two other books, Cancer as a Love Story: Developing the Mindset for Living and To Hell and Back: Healing Your Way Through Transition. Learn more at https://bornworthybook.com/

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:50):
My friend, You've Offersen heard.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Me say that in many of you know my background,
that our past does not define our future, our current
and actions do. And as you know from my journey,
I have completely transformed my life from welfare mom, runaway
high school dropout, and so much more to the woman

(02:12):
I am today.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And there's sometimes I wish there was.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Things I knew when I was a young, young girl,
young woman to help me navigate those difficult times, to
own my worth, to really embrace my own power. So
today I am so excited to have with me. Is
Gail Jones aka Coach Gail Jones. She's a nationally recognized

(02:39):
worthiness and transition expert with more than twenty five years
of expertise in helping others transform their lives. She's the
recipient of the prestigious CREA Award from Brains magazine for
her articles on mental health related to worthiness and high
self esteem. She's also certified in high self esteem coaching

(03:03):
for parents, educators and kids, which is so needed right now.
She's been a guest on TV radio and leading local
and global podcasts. I am lescause she lives right here
in New England. She is from Exeter to New Hampshire.
She is the author of numerous books. We're going to
be talking about one today, and she's also the author

(03:24):
of Cancer as a Love Story and to Helen back
Heiling Your Way through Transition. Welcome Galen'm so honored that
you're here today. It's such an important topic.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I am thrilled to be here today, Linda. And also
I love that our backgrounds are so similar on not
living from circumstance, but living from our present thoughts and failings.
And especially in today's world, it's really important we shift
the attention off of circumstances and back to our inner greatness.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh yes, yes, yes, that's part of I have a
lot of private communities that I and yesterday. It's so
funny because the theme in one of my private communities
is reclaiming your wholeness for the month of November. So yes,
it was a private call and it was all these
beautiful women saying, oh, I struggle with my worthiness, right
because they got the stories like you just said, right right.

(04:17):
We grab these stories from a young age and we
believe there are truth, or we believe our experiences are
our truth. So I'm excited to dive deeper into this today, Gail.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Excellent, And I just want to say one thing when
you said from our younger years, we are all born worthy,
which again is the name of my book, born Worthy.
So but we did nothing wrong if we don't feel
worthy or have worthiness issues, because our worthiness is our
sense of worthiness has formed the first seven years of life.

(04:50):
And we're not here to beat up parents, caregivers or
anybody else. But worthiness is based on feeling seen, heard,
validated and acknowledged for who you are, not what you do.
And even if you had an ideal a childhood where
your caregivers were able to deliver that to you. Our

(05:11):
society is a materialistic driven society which wants us to
believe we are not enough, so we will buy more,
want more, to have more, thinking that will bring us
a sense of feeling enough, and it doesn't it does
not Nothing external can give you the sense of worthiness
that you get from going within.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Oh my god, this is so true because in my
conversations with him yesterday, I said, it's about the world
trains us to live from the outside in right, peace,
Chase chase, right, get that outside validation.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
What's that do, Gail? You know it leaves you chasing
for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I believe when we start living from the inside out,
which you just said in a different way, is the
whole path to peace, joy, claiming, not worth. Have you
found that in your own journey too?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Absolutely? But I just want to share one thing based
on following up what you said, which was great, all
that external drive. Often a lot of my clients are
executive clients that have been very driven and very motivated,
and they come to a point where they realize they're
seeking external validation for something that's missing within. And when

(06:26):
I often asked this question, is what was your unmet
need as a child, Because when you nothing else external
can give you that. Often when I asked my executive
clients that, they burst into tears and they realized the
drive didn't get them in. There's nothing wrong with being
driven and motivated and following a passion and a purpose

(06:46):
and being a CEO and all those wonderful things. But
if you're doing it out of a wound and not
out of your sense of wholeness as you talked about earlier,
you'll still leave yourself feeling empty, Isn't it so true?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And what's sad is so many people believe that's the truth, right,
that they're not worthy?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
And I know, let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
So before we dive into the book, I want to
go back a little bit because you created your worthiness
platform about five years ago, and I'm really curious because
I love finding the golden thread through someone's story. What
led you to create this global worthiness platform?

Speaker 4 (07:31):
So in twenty twelve, I was diagnosed with breast cancer
and I did a holistic root in combination with conventional
having a lumpectomy in that but three different healers that
I went to within a couple of weeks of each other,
they didn't know each other, told me that claiming your
worthiness to live can extend your longevity. And they had

(07:53):
examples of their clients and patients that this tumor is
shrunk or whatever. And I want to stress something. It's
not just having a health challenge, as I did. You
can be in a financial crisis, you can be going
through a divorce. But often when we're in those really
challenging times, some of us have a subconscious death wish,

(08:13):
which is really common, wishing we weren't here anymore. It's
just gotten too hard, too intense, too scary. And so
I thought, well, if lemia worth is to live can
extend your longevity, what else can it do. So my
coaching practice was called supportmatters dot com at the time,
and then I took a deep dive into my own
life and said, boy, you don't really feel worthy. Externally,

(08:36):
you look really great coached on Boston Radio, you're a
editor of the college paper, you're a former high tech
pr exac, you have a very successful coaching practice. But
inside I was really an insecure young girl, overcompensating like
many of my clients I've seen for having a schizophrenic mom,
and I didn't want anyone to think I was incompetent

(08:59):
like her. My mom was voted most likely to succeed,
so her illness is tragic that it happened when it did.
But I had to take a deep dive and as
I was doing my own deep dive. I started looking
at all the clients I had coached over twenty years
at the time, and basically, the root cause of all
our challenges is a lack of worthiness. It's universal. You

(09:22):
can feel worthy in one area but not in another.
And again we have this conditioning from society that were
not enough often. But I found when I went to
my clients and started going right to the root of
the worthiness, transformations were very quick. And what we know
now from neuroscience. I know, Linda, you know I'm trained
in neuroscience and energy psychology, But it takes forty five

(09:45):
to sixty three days to change a belief at least.
I will say that it can be longer if you
have more trauma and drama in your life, or you know,
a really difficult childhood or a difficult circumstance now and
it can take less time. I've coached a lot of
college students to the pandemic, and in six weeks of
working together, they had major transformations, and I still hear

(10:08):
from them today about how their lives have changed by
knowing there were they to have the right partner or
the right job, or to go to the right college
or to live where they want. So I love to
get them earlier.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think it's so important now more than ever, that
we reach these kids earlier because the world is happening
so fast around them. That what I'm noticing in my
communities and even in some of the younger family members,
is they feel disconnected. Yes, and that disconnection is I

(10:41):
think part of like you're sharing, it's the worthiness. Then
they get into inertia, and then the storytelling, the inner
storytelling starts that keeps them stuck. So when I heard
about your new book and that I'm called born worthy,
real stories to help raise a generation knows their value,
I was like, oh my god, I got to get

(11:02):
around the show because we need this, they need this, So.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
I just want to share something else. And then thank
you for you know, being so excited about the book,
because I was so excited that you invited me to
be a guest one of the people I interviewed. So
in my book, I interviewed teens and young adults ages
thirteen to twenty seven. Their stories are very different, wide range,
you know, from you know, one nineteen year old lost

(11:30):
his father to suicide during the pandemic. Another was sexually
abused via social media, so there's a broad spectrum of
the issues that they talk about. But what's really interesting
is I see them as pioneers, not victims of the
youth mental health crisis because a couple of things from
interviewing them. They are a lot more self aware than

(11:52):
many of us in our younger years, and I attribute
that to the pandemic because they were in isolation, so
they got to do it a year younger age, the
self reflection that many of us don't do to later
in life. So that's the first thing. And also because
of the pandemic, they want to live life very differently
than they did before. A lot of them that were

(12:14):
motivated more towards wealth or you know, high achieving, what
they want now is really close relationships. And then the
other thing I just wanted to stress is so I
interviewed the kids and then I gave coaching tips at
the end of each of their stories based on my
you know, helping people rewire their brain with neuroscience. So
each child's story I created mantra specific to that child

(12:38):
to help them. And then at the end I have
a lot for parents and educators. You know that a
general to all of us. But one of the people
I interviewed for the book was a clinical psychologist who
works in the schools and teaches all over the country.
And this is not really widely expressed in the world.
I haven't seen it, but one of the real reasons

(13:01):
for a lot of mental health issues and kids is
the pressure the parents have put on them. And he
even said that the kids that often have the greatest
mental health issues are those that go to Ivy League colleges,
and often the parents are putting the pressure on the
kid so the parents look good. You know, my son

(13:22):
is the star of the play or football quarterback, or
if that's what the kid loves to do and that
was their passion and drive and interest, that's wonderful. But
if the parents pushed a child into an activity or
getting high grades beyond, you know, they had to work
non stop to look good for the parents, it's not healthy.

(13:46):
And that is not really covered very much in the media.
And so what has happened in the last decade or
so or even longer is back to the worthiness. We
feel worthy when we're seen heard, validating knowledge for who
we are. And I will also stress witness with love
and compassion. One adult that can witness you with love

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and compassion no matter what you're feeling, can really help
instill a strong sense of worthiness. But if it's performance based,
the child will never feel worthy. If you're only being
loved because you came home the straight as you made
the team, you'll never know that inner sense of you
talked earlier about wholeness. You a whole as is not

(14:28):
for what you do.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Speaks to my heart, my friend, We're going to take
our first upbreak Gale, and when we come back and
dive deeper into this because you shared so many juicy
tidbits there that I want.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
To break down.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
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Speaker 3 (17:08):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
You're listening to inspire conversations. I am with Gail Jones,
the author of her newest book, Born Worthy, Real Stories
to help raise the generation.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Who knows their value.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Something you said too about the kids, the ones that
are the parents lead them into performance based life.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I was there.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I didn't have that kind of family pressure.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Internal in a lot of comparison for me when I
was young, I was the oldest and I started in
my teens of I will chase my worth and yeah,
there was like little stories in the family, like you
got to get a job at eighteen, stay there for
the rest of your life with insurance. Like they had

(17:58):
models that were so outdated that I was a rebel.
I never fit into it. But I thought, oh, I'm
not going to be worthy now because I didn't live
their path, right, that was the story I took it on.
I'm not saying they gave me the story. I took
it on and then I was chasing every business award
because I opened my first business in the nineties. But
something you said about the performance with these kids, I

(18:20):
was like, oh, that was my wound. I was chasing
outside validation, thinking oh goodness, this will give me my worth.
Of course it didn't, so I was chasing any thing.
It was exhausting. I didn't wake up till I was forty,
and I'm.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Saying it's so common, and I just want to say,
whether you get my book or not, I would go
to my book site, bornworthybook dot com and go to
the blog page. I wrote a welcome blog and it
explains how worthiness is formed. There's a video at the
end three minutes. It explains, you know, this first seven
years of life. But I start with a quote, just articulately. Well,

(18:54):
you just said worthiness is claimed, not earned, and if
every person realized that it's in us, we have to
claim it. But it's not earned. And you shared your story,
I shared mine. You know, being so well known and
you as well as all your businesses, that is not
going to make you feel worthy.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
No, no, And you know, I think when once you're
on the other side, I'm like in the Deep Conversation Jesse,
they go, how do you own your worthlender? And I said,
you have to stop by shutting the stuff that is
making you feel unworthy could be a relationship, right because

(19:32):
we made all the decisions from the place of unworthiness. Right,
So sometimes is it a.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Call to kind of step back, drop in and go.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
What in my life has been created from that sense
of unworthiness?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Has anyone ever asked you that?

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Not really in that way, But I want to share something.
I don't know if this links to that, but what
I have noticed and another mantra I should put on
my website. But in talking to people, but often when
we hear ah no, we feel rejected. Right, My mantra
is no is an upgrade. And when you get to know,

(20:16):
and I've just seen this over and over again pitching
my book out speaking. Every time I got to know,
a better, bigger opportunity came that more represented my knowing
I'm worthy. So when we get a know, instead of saying, oh,
they didn't want me, I wasn't worthy, No, there's something
bigger and better waiting for me. And in that cause,

(20:39):
take the time to integrate your sense are worthy? I
am worthy. I allow myself to know I'm worthy of
something better than what just happened. It's always been to
leap up for me, but you got to claim it,
I know is actually a gift.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I love that reframe too, because sometimes we take it personal.
When your friend says, oh, you are to go out
have dinner and someone says no, it's like, oh, she
doesn't care about me anything Like. We make everything about
our worth from the outside end. So I love that
leaf frame.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
And I want to share one of the things that's
in my book with all the mantras, but another thing
that is not often taught. You know, we hear so
much in the world of healing and personal growth and development,
the I am statements, the affirmations. How important they are.
You know, I am worthy, I am happy, I am
attracting a great job, relationship, or whatever. I based on

(21:31):
my neuroscience too. I like the word allowing, and I
want to explain that because it's really important when you're
rewiring the brain to feel worthy and know your sense
of worthiness. Instead of saying I am worthy, it's much
more helpful and rewiring the brain to say I allow
myself to know I'm worthy because if you say I
am worthy and you don't believe it, you're going to

(21:53):
meet that statement with resistance. If you say I allow
myself to know I'm worthy, you allow their time for
the new neural pathway to form in the brain around
instilling that new belief. And I want to give a
personal example. So when my first book came out in
two thousand and four, if I said I am a
best selling author, which a lot of people do, right,

(22:17):
I knew, even though I was a journalist before and
had a lot of writing that I'd never written a
book of published a book, so I had a lot
you'd have a lot of resistance. But by changing it too,
I allow myself to be a best selling author. A
couple of things happen. You allow for the new neural
pathway in the brain to form, and also you allow
the whole universe to support you. It's not up to you.
You're not pounding your fist on the table. I won't

(22:39):
make this happen. You know the universe might have a
better idea for you. And so I love allowing statements
when you're first starting to create a new belief. So
for all the listeners today, I would strongly encourage them
to write down I allow myself to know I'm worthy.
And this is the other key thing that's not often
taught when we're changing a belief is to track evidence

(23:01):
of that every day, track evidence that shows that something
happened that you know you're worthy because you don't text it,
you don't voicemail yourself it. You physically write it down
because the physical act of writing down I allow myself
to know. Or today I got on Linda's podcast, I'm
so excited to share this message with the world that

(23:24):
could be example of worthiness. But just writing it down
is training the brain to go look for more that evidence.
So you know, I love when you talked earlier about
letting our old stories go based on circumstances, and you know,
even the current circumstances. When we track evidence of our
current life moving forward, we are creating the brain that

(23:47):
will bring more of that to you. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Oh? Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And when you first said the mantra or affirmation with allowing,
it feels energetically different in my body than just that
I am so I expels yes, and you know what
it is too. It sounds more for myself.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
It felt like I was in co creation because.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
It is opening to receive this as if it already
is right. That's what it felt like in my energy
field as you were sharing that. So that's powerful. So
you had the worthiness platform and you start that five
years ago. Why did you choose now? And you touched

(24:34):
on it a little bit, but why did you choose
now to extend it with this book and everything else
you're doing to teens and young adults along with of
course the parents, educators and others who guide these that generation.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Well, it's a great question to fire. Sure, great question.
So first of all, when I was diagnosed with breast
cancer went through my other book was the second book
before this book was called Cancer's a Love Story Development
Mindset for Living, and that was based on my training
in neuroscience. I trained with doctor Joe de Spends, a
world renowned in the area, and many other leading neuroscientists

(25:09):
and energy psychologists. But I knew that that book I
wanted to help everybody through cancer know that you can
create a mindset that helps the cells in your body
actually thrive. So that was important. But I also knew
that I wanted to bring my work to the younger generation,
so that they didn't get sick, they didn't you know,

(25:30):
they had alternatives from living, you know, completely under enormous stress,
which I was when I got diagnosed. So I knew
I was going to bring this to kids. But when
the youth mental health crisis happened and I started seeing
all the stories about you know, I definitely agree the kids.
Every kid in my story will tell you young adult team
will tell you that social media has harmed them and

(25:51):
to get off of it. So I understood that, but
I didn't want the younger generation to feel that they
would define as a victim of the youth mental health crisis.
I've never defined myself as a daughter of a schizophrenic
or as a breast cancer survivor. That's not who I am.
Those are labels, and I didn't want them to think

(26:13):
that they were victims. And one of the ways we
change from an old mindset to a new is to
move from victim to creator. So I immediately dropped what
I was doing. I was writing another book called Space
for Grace, and then I said, no, now's the time.
I wrote this book in fifteen months, record time, and
it's record time because I interviewed kids all over the country,

(26:34):
so I had to rely on them. I had to
rely on their parents to sign consent forms if they
were into eighteen. So it was a lot more work
because there were a lot more people involved. But I
just knew it had to get out now. And what
was interesting about that story too, that was very fulfilling
to me is when I was interviewing and I went
on college campuses. It was very organic. I used it

(26:55):
based on my journalism skills. It was not a it's
not a social science. It's more organic. They all open
their hearts to me. But I roamed college campuses, hangouts, bars,
coffee shops, and I interviewed. I went up to them
and asked them if they wanted to be in the book,
and they checked out my website and found out more

(27:15):
about it and then they answered. But was really interesting
is when I interviewed each of them, I'm feeling so
grateful that they give me their time. They're burying their souls.
They were so open about very raw things that we
don't see talked about. But at the end of every
single interview with every teen and young adult, they all
thanked me and said they felt worthy for being interviewed

(27:38):
because they felt seeing her validated and acknowledged, and.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Which after age, you were speaking like someone cared enough
to honor their thoughts.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
And it built trust. But the other thing that's not
really covered in the media or either, is that so
a lot of the young adults were working remotely, working
remotely right after the pandemic or during the pandemic, so
their life was going to bed, waking up, rolling out
of bed, and going to a computer. They had no

(28:10):
social engagement and some of them still don't. It's not
like they're meeting their friends after work or meeting at
the cooler or the water cooler or you know, a
cubicle next to you. So when you're that isolated, you know,
negative thoughts can flow into your mind and you have
no sounding board. So I felt like, Wow, they have
to hear about their greatness now, not when they get

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the award or the promotion or meet the love of
their life. They have to know it's in them now
because they've been shook to the core. By I mean,
that pandemic rocked everybody, and you know, even the news
is just so negative and to realize that, no, there's
so much goodness in them, and it was just amazing

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what they shared and how they're helping. They're going to
help so many people by sharing their stories.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Well they truly aren't.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's so needed because book is going to create a
ripple effect in so many individuals lives. We have to
take our next break and we come back. I want
to talk about what surprised you the most from these conversations,
So we'll be.

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Thanks for circling up with us. I'm Linda Joy, host
of Inspired Conversations with Me Today is Gail Jones. You
can learn more about her new book, born Worthy and
so much more at bornworthy book dot com. So you
sh had a little bit of the insights that you
got from interviewing all these magical souls. What will surprise

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you the most from those conversations and how can that
help not only other teens and adults, but those who
guide them, like the teachers, the mentors, the educators.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Well, the first thing I'd say to the parents and
the educators that are guiding them is they are a
lot wiser and self aware. That is being portrayed, So
pause and listen. The other thing that seemed a common
theme was most of them don't want our lives or
the lives we would conditioned to think were the better life.
You know, the home and the big home in the suburb,

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nice cap, fancy job. A lot of them might want that,
because that's the interest in expertise. But they're doing now,
earlier in life what a lot of us do in
second half of life. They want life with meaning and
the usually that's a developmental task of second half of life.

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More commonly, they want to do something now that means something.
And there was one a young adult in the book
who had two double degrees in engineering and had a job,
a really great job where we got a seventy five
thousand dollars signing bonus for this company. And he was
stressed to the max as mental health was challenged, and

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he decided to quit. And he decided he wanted to
do something with his bucket list item and one of
his bucketless items when he was really stressed in college
was he wanted to work as a bartender someday. Well,
he quit and became a bartender. It's not his lifetime goal,
but he's been really, really happy. And what he said
was that when he pours drinks, it's not about the drink.

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He's getting everybody off their cell phones. He is going
up and talking to everybody at the bar. But what
was more important is long term for him. He wasn't
supposed to be behind a computer. He's a people person.
So he jumped ship early because he knew it was
a misfit. I think that's really important. You know, they

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don't have to stay dedicated to a career. You know.
I know that the average del for a while was
five to seven careers. But people think, oh, they're jumping
ship too quickly. No, they're getting more aligned with their
soul more quickly. So that was I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I was like, yes, like align soul alignment. To me,
it's like a lot of we've been raised that you
get While I was anyway, you get a job, you
stay there till you die, nothing about what you want,
what you desire, what your own dreams are, it was
like fit in this program. I love that you said, like,
you know, inspiring that is that he had the courage

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to make that choice and become a tender. That's to me,
that's courageous because it goes against maybe what his family
was saying, like what are you crazy?

Speaker 4 (34:47):
And he was promoted. He was a manager, so now
he's in charge of several breweries, so it's he kind
of went up to a management role at a young
age too. Another young man in the book and the
others I wanted to share is this is really important
for people to understand. In the mental health crisis, a
lot of people feel the boys are overlooked because the

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stories are around the girls cutting. They're more visible, going
to er more often and things like that, or they
were and boys tend to deal with a mental health
crisis in screen time, hiding behind video games and things
like that. So I really made an effort to make
sure half the people I interviewed were half boys and girls,
males and females.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I think that was important too, so that they can
see them. Anyone who reads the book can see themselves
in it, and I agree, yep.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
And I actually interviewed a man who mentors young boys,
and he had great messages for them, and it was
just really great the journey to becoming a man, which
isn't really covered very well these days, so that was
in there. But another young man had his father committed
suicide during the pandemic, and that rocked his world, and

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he also changed his careers realizing he had a sense of,
you know, understanding he's mortal, like you don't have forever.
Even though it was eighteen, he said, I'm not waiting
till later in life to do what I love to do.
And he went back to school to work in the
race car business. So that was interesting and another interesting story.
The other common theme of all of them is they

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really wanted to help each other. So one of the
young women I interviewed, it was nineteen, who I met
at a coffee shop. She was sitting there giggling with
her friends for several hours, and I was like, there
for four hours, and I was like, Oh, she's really happy.
I'm wondering what the key to her happiness is with
all the negativity around the mental health crisis, and her
story was just very different. But she had been almost

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date raped, I would say, from somebody she met on
social media, and she wanted to share her story to
help other people. She was a brilliant young woman. She
was going to school to be a lawyer. She played.
I think it was a violin, very high achiever, very
well established. But what she said happened in the pandemic

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was that the kids were so isolated. This was I
think she was thirteen to fifteen, fifteen to seventeen, but anyways,
so they were all relying on social media to stay connected.
But what they were doing, she shared, was a lot
of the young kids that were dating, they were all
competing showing that they had a better relationship than the other.
So the guys would go on and see what the

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other guys were doing. So her boyfriend went on and
saw what other boyfriends were doing so on social media.
He looked like the greatest boyfriend ever right there. You know,
he does all these nice things for her. Behind closed doors,
she was being sexually abused. So she wants to share
the danger of social media that these you know, what

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we see is not really what's happening, and it was
really important. But she also changed her major in college
and now is going to be a therapist. She has
peat from it, which is post traumatic stress syndrome. She's
healing from it and she wants other people to heal
from it. She has a huge community. But her story
was really impactful. You know, people think, oh, you know,

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it's not She had a high level of intelligence and
a high level of awareness and what happened in the pandemic.
She said a lot of people were just really hooking
up with anybody just to not be alone. And I
don't think that's been covered either.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
No, it hasn't been.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
And what coverage it takes for all these young people
to share this story. But I love what you said
in the previous segment that each one of them they
felt honored because you gave them space to be seen
for where they're at and who they are, and they
don't get.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
That a lot, and sometimes the interviews would take up
to eighteen hours between interviewing them following up and I
let every one of them see the story. I changed
their names with some of them obviously for you know, yes,
to protect their sensitivity, but I wanted to make sure

(39:16):
I accurately portrayed them. But I spent a lot of
time going deep and reflecting, and you know, what are
they really trying to say? Because each story is only
like two to three pages, But it really caught the
message that they wanted to give to other teens and
young adults, and just their passion for wanting to help
each other was really beautiful.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
That is beautiful, And I love that this book is
going to I really believe it's going to create a
ripple effect, right And as you get out there and
get this book out into the world, imagine all the
young people who are going to have the tools. But
also more than that, sometimes we think we're alone in
our stories, but when they read the stories of those

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that were part of this this book, that alone is
empowering to go, oh, I'm not alone to have these thoughts.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
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Speaker 4 (40:06):
What's too is that the parents that have read the
book said they saw themselves in the kids' stories. So
you know what I would tell when I speak is
we all have an insecure teenager and young adults in
us so and they will tell me that when they've
read some of the kid's stories, they go, oh, that

(40:27):
could have been me. So even though the kids are
expressing it, which is beautiful, because I think sometimes when
you talk about worthiness, it's like kind of an elephant
in the room. Nobody wants to admit that they feel
unworthy when it's actually very common, and there's nothing to
be ashamed of because you just didn't. You weren't seeing
her validating knowledge the way you were supposed to be.

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So there's nothing to be ashamed of. You did nothing
wrong for not feeling worthy. That's the one clear message
I'd like people to know. And the other part is
it can be rewired. You can change the mindset feeling unworthy.
And you know I talked about those forty five to
sixty three days of rewiring the brain. It's not hard,
but it's boring to say those statements every day, the

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first five minutes in the morning that are in my book,
and the five minutes before you go to bed at night.
It's not hard, but you have to be consistent. It's
kind of like going to the gym. You know, you
start exercising, you have to be consistent to have results.
It's the same thing with rewiring and brain for worthiness.
But it can be done at any age.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Oh so everyone listening, doesn't they give you so much hope.
We're going to take a final break and come back
to the last segment and when I want to cover
because you have so many customized tools in there, like
a twol chest of exercises and daily practices, and I
want you to talk about that a little so they
know what else to expect in your book.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
So we'll be back in a moment.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I'm with Gail Jones of boroneworthybook dot com. Go grab
a copy, Grab a couple of copies. This will be
a powerful gift for the holidays for the young people
in your life. So we'll be right back, my friends.

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Speaker 2 (43:44):
Welcome back and listen to Inspired conversations today we're talking
about worthiness and as Gail shared, worthiness is not something
we earn, it's something we claim. So what I love
about your book two is it isn't just the interviews,
it's a complete tool chest. You give daily practices based

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on the latest in neuroscience and energy psychology, two of
my favorite topics. And it's foth focused on attracting more money,
greater health, secure relationship. So what can they expect the
other side from the mind trads you just mentioned, what
else can they expect in there to help support them
in this transition?

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Sure, I talk about the tool chess, I want to
talk about one other quick thing. I break it down
to rewiring your brain for money, relationship, health and there
are one of the common things with the kids is
they don't ever believe they're going to be able to
own a home based on the economy and different challenges.
And I interviewed a top financial planner and he outlines

(44:48):
how to create a step by step a financial identity
to grow into what you want or need. And it's
not about money, it's all about lifestyle. So that's in
the book. Back to the tool chest. So I basically
gave my whole twenty five years of coaching in this book.

(45:08):
So it's not a type of book you want to
read fast read. You can read the kids' stories and
it's wonderful, it's inspiring. But the second part is actually
to help you rewire your own brain. So what I
have in it is morning exercises and evening exercises. We
know that the first five minutes in the morning and
the five minutes before you go to bed at night

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the most important times of the day to feed your
brain healthy nutrients. So for one of the things I
share is a question I used to always ask my
kids when they were growing up, before they went to bed.
I'd read them a story or whatever, but I'd ask
them what was the best part of your day? Because
that question is that doesn't mean when they came in
the door after school, I didn't ask them whatever happened,

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But when you when you go to bed, what was
the best part of your day. That's like downloading the
software into your brain, which is the hardware that's what's
going to get turned around in your brain while you're sleeping.
So why not rewire the brain while you're sleeping with
healthy positive things about what happened. You know, we're hardwired
to look for what's wrong is a protective thing. We

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need to start training ourselves to look for what's right.
So that's one thing that's in there. I give a
list of mantras or statements to that are really related
to worthiness in theirs. In the tool, I give a
mirror exercise that Louise hay of hay House Publishing created,
and I tell you exactly what to say when you're

(46:34):
in front of the mirror a couple times a day
to talk positively to yourself. Those are the key things
the statements. But the statements I create around money and
health and relationship, they're my statements. They're not something you
download from online. There's statements I came up with from

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coaching in this area for twenty five years, and the
core things that can shift the mind, and.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
You incorporate I'm sure as you created them.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
It's incorporating the neuroscience and energy psychology because you know
how to rewire the brain.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Right and the other thing is to put it all together.
You know, it's this is a strong statement, but it's
a clearance. We create a new outcome with a clear
intention plus an elevated emotion. And this is really important
for people to understand because when you're in transition, you know,
often you don't feel like your most secure self because

(47:35):
you're leaving the known to the unknown, right and you
haven't got to the new yet, or you've just been
through some challenging circumstance that is putting you in transition,
whether it's a how challenge or divorce or didn't get
the job or whatever. So you know the sadness that despair,
the anger, the frustration. But you have to learn to

(47:57):
train your brain to be in the elevated emo as well.
So all that creation around vision boards and Larva tracts,
all that energy stuff, it's okay, but you have to
get really clear of what you want and be in
the elevated emotion of it. People think, once I get
the new job, I'll be happy. No, you get to

(48:17):
get to the elevated emotion of being happy, joyful in
our celebrating before you get the new event that you want.
It's the mindset before that magnetize what you want, and
that takes time. And the other thing that takes time
is getting clear about what you want. Like when I've
done my own vision boards. Sometimes it's taken four months

(48:37):
to get really clear. When I see it, it looks really simple,
But everything on that is really clear about I want.
For example, a lot of people will say I want
to be a best selling author, right, I want to
be a wealthy author. I don't care if I'm on
the bestseller list or not, because without wealth to bring
this message to everybody I want to reach. I feel

(48:59):
like I'm creating a movement around helping the young, the
teens and young adults claim their greatness and their worthiness.
It's a movement. It's not just a book, and that
a movement needs money behind it. So and it's not
about me I am a best selling author. It's about
having the resources to create a movement that's going to

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impact an entire generation.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, and it took you a while to get clear
on that and break it down like it does. It
sounds like it ties right into purpose sole purpose like that,
I feel like this is your soul's purpose. Right. It's
bigger than a book, right, Okay? Yeah, and I get
that because everything I've created, I never wanted to start

(49:44):
a magazine.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I just kept following.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I callum Divine downloads and then all these other media
brands unfolded from that. But I can see now I
was just being divinely guided to honoring.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
The purpose that I'm here for.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Right, And we have to start Oh sorry, no, I.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Was going to say, it's coming to this place of
trusting and making that decision.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Like you got really clear that this will be.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
A movement, and you are owning that, like, this is
a movement, not will be a movement. This is a movement, right,
And that's the energetic difference, correct.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Right, And we have to be very clear about you know,
commanding wealth. You know this when you live the creative
life like you and I do, Linder, you know, and
in the visionary life there's an attachment to the struggling artist,
while we have to refuse to accept that, Like when
you're a pioneer and you're a visionary, you are also

(50:38):
worthy of having wealth. It's not one or the other.
And there's such a negative connotation that if you're serving
others you shouldn't want wealth. Well, the truth is you
can't serve others without wealth, and we've got claiming that.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah, I got to be honest. When I first started
Aspire twenty years ago, man I amost lost to numerous
time in the first three years because it was like, oh,
you can't pay your advertising pill. That's okay, because I
just wanted to be I had the wound.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I'll just be of service. And then finally I said,
I can't serve anyone.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
If I lose the magazine, right, And I realized it
was nothing about my advertisers anything. It was an internal
script that was running of who am I to ask
for money when this is my service project to women.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Around the world. I had to heal that. So I'm
so glad that you brought that up.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
We have, but it's really sorry. It's really common among
those and the helping professions too, that oh, I do
meaningful work, so that's okay. No, you get to be
replenished too. You are worthy being replenished too. You're not
here just to give. And a healthy worthy foundation is
you both give and receive.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I teach my clients and my mindset stuff and abundances
and energy.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
And I always show them the infinity symbol excellent flow
in and all that.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
And if you are crimping any part from constriction or
fear or mistrust, you were stopping the flow of the
universal flow. So we have to do our inner work
so that it's always flowing, because it's just energy, like
money is just energy. Abundance is energy. It isn't about
the paper in your hand, right It's about so much bigger.

(52:22):
So we still have about three minutes left. Is there
a message if a young person is listening right now,
what's the one thing aside from buying your book, because
you know we want them to do that, But what
would you share with them if they're feeling stuck right now?

Speaker 4 (52:39):
I tell them that there's an integrateness within them and
the world needs their gifts, and don't let anybody define
what those gifts are. They'll know them. The gift is
found internally, it's not found externally. And the other thing
is what we love to do is often what we
did when we were ages five to ten. You know,

(53:00):
I look at now teaching I consider around this book
doing more teaching more than speaking. I consider teaching. But
when I was six years old, I came home from
school and would run up to my bedroom and teach
my make believe students. And I used.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
To do that. That's why I'm laughing. To line up
all my stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
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Speaker 4 (53:28):
Right fun and I find it so easy. It's so
easy and joyful when you're doing what you're meant to do,
and to believe it will support you. Trust it, don't
listen to the negativity of the world. Your passion will
be supported.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I truly believe that because I had no background in
any of this, but I kept saying true to the
vision in my heart and wasn't always easy, wasn't always comfortable,
but I would rather feel at something I love then succeed.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
It's something I hate.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Doing right And the world needs their gifts.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, gifts. It's It's true because I believe we are
all giving sole gifts and our job in this lifetime
is to unwrap them and uncover all the muck that's
hiding our gifts, the muck that we picked up being
in this human life. Right right, I like you say,
it's like a treasure hunt. The gift is there within you, right,

(54:31):
We just got to find it and then wrap it
because we've been so focused outward. But the divine gave
us a gift. It's inside us. So when we start
stop turning outward for the answer and go within. It's
magical and I just stress. Allow yourself to receive. I'll
stress it and over and over again. Allow yourself to receive.

(54:52):
People who are unworthy, attract takers you deserve to be
given to. It's a circle, give and take, allow yourself
to receive. I think that is a powerful way for
us to end this call.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Gail.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I got to tell you I've enjoyed this conversation. I'm
so excited about the ripple effect your movement and this
book is going to make. And thank you, my friend,
for joining me.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Oh, Linda, it's been pure joy and I love you
know how we're both aligned with the messages, and thank
you so much for having me as a guest.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
You're welcome and everyone again bornworthybook dot com. Be sure
to grab a copy and we will be circling up soon.
Until then, Choose love, Choose joy, Choose happiness.

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