ITs PARANORMAL TONIGHT - Katie Paige

On this edition of Live from Hollywood…It’s Paranormal Tonight! host Dan Harary will interview Katie Paige. Katie has personal ties to a High Strangeness Ranch in Colorado, now known as the “Rocky Mountain Ranch”. In UFO folklore, it was known as the “Clearview” Ranch, and pre-dates the infamous “Skinwalker Ranch” by over a decade. Katie can be seen on History Channel’s Beyond Skinwalker, UFO Witness, Gaia’s Beyond Belief with George Noory, Ancient Aliens, Small Town Monsters, On the Trail of UFO’s Night Visitors, and appears in Ron James’s film Accidental Truth. She conducts independent investigations and research through her Rocky Mountain Ranch Research foundation, and is the author of: Letters of Love & Light - Four Decades of UFO Encounters, Experiences & Sightings Shared with Ufologist R. Leo Sprinkle Ph.D. She is currently writing her second book: The Rocky Mountain Ranch – Crafts, Cattle, Cryptids, and Cover-Ups.

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Episode Transcript

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From Hollywood. It's para normal tennights. I'm Mark Summers, and now
here's your host, Jan Harari,Dan Hurrari. That's me. Oh,
thank you, Mark Summers. Ihaven't seen Mark Summers in a while.
He's in New York doing a playon Broadway. Mark Summers is a very
dear friend of mine. Hello,everybody, Welcome to this week's episode of

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Live from Hollywood. It's paranormal tonight. I am Dan Hora. Technically this
is Live from Beverly Hills. Iknow I cheat on the title, but
I think it's funny. This ismy office in Beverly Hills. I've been
a Hollywood publicist for well over fortyyears, and I'm the author of a
book about Hollywood called Flirting with Fame. Right Here my Green Book, and
a UFO sci fi novel about benevolentaliens who come to save us all called

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After they came Right Here. They'reboth on Amazon, and every week my
mother yells at me if I don'tpromote them. So, Mom, that
was for you, just real quick. I have been involved with the promotion
and publicity for Contact in the Deserttwenty twenty four. This year, it
will be May thirtieth through June thirdin Indian Wells, California. We have

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over seventy speakers, the top UFOresearchers and experts from around the world.
We're expecting thousands of people. It'sthe ten year anniversary. Contact in the
Desert dot com. Please get yourtickets soon. They're going fast, and
you want to be there. Ifyou're interested in this field, you want
to be there. Contact inthe Desertdot com Today. We have a very

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special lady on I met her ayear ago, exactly a year ago last
contact, and she and I havebecome friends, and I will read her
a little intro right now. UFOresearcher and author Katie Page has personal ties
to a high strangeness ranch in Colorado, now known as the Rocky Mountain Ranch.

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In UFO folklore, it was knownas the clear View Ranch and it
predates the infamous Skinwalker Ranch by overa decade. This is what motivated her
interest in ufology to find answers toher experiences and to try to uncover the
truth as to what was happening there. Katie has appeared on numerous TV and

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radio shows, including History Channels,Beyond Skinwalker, UFO witness Gaya's Beyond Belief
with George Nori, of course,Ancient Aliens, small town Monsters, on
the trail of UFO's Night Visitors,and she was also featured in Ron James's
film Accidental Truth, UFO Revelations andJust the Quick Aside. I am currently

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working with Ron James as publicist forthe next version of Accidental Truth, the
sequel. It's called Accidental Truth Next, and that will be coming out this
summer. Katie conducts independent investigations andresearch through her Rocky Mountain Ranch Research Foundation.

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She's been a presenter at various conferences. She's appeared on radio shows and
podcasts such as George Norrey's Coast toCoast with George Knapp, I should say
Spaced Out Radio, UAP Studies podcast, and many many more. Katie's the
author of this book, which shegave me last year at contact right here
if you can see this, Lettersof Love and Light, four decades of

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UFO encounters, experiences and citings sharedwith ufologist R. Leo Sprinkle, PhD.
And we'll get to this book ina few minutes. Katie's currently writing
her second book, The Rocky MountainRanch Craft's cattle, cryptids, and cover
ups. Katie holds a Bachelor ofScience degree in visual communications and she lives

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near Woodland Park, Colorado. Pleasewelcome Race. Let's bring her in.
My new friend, Katie Page.Hey, good evening, everybody. Hey
Dan, thanks for having me on. Please awsome. The work you're doing,
all the work you're doing for Contactin the Desert or Hollywood Disclosure,
it's fabulous, it's important work.So thank you for all you do.

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That's very sweet. So Katie,when I met you. When I met
you, I was at Newby.Okay, my book had just I've only
known this all right, So mybook after they came came out March first
last year, and after that Imet everyone and befriended everyone, including you
and Steve Bassett, and he andI created the Hollywood Disclosure Life. So

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within the past year of my life, my life changed completely. Before that,
no one on the planet, inthe ufology world, no one knew
me. And now it's a tidalwave. We're all like, I know.
So it's really been the market.Oh, hey, cjy ce J's
a good friend, CJ. That'ssweet, very sweet. So Katie,

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let's see just first of all,tell us a little bit about yourself,
who you are now, what youlike to do. Just a little lighthearted
start to the Yeah, a littlelightheartest start. I mean, I am
the mother of five adults and twograndkids, so you know, I have
my degree like you mentioned, invisual communications. So spent the vast majority
of my life racetracks, drag racingtracks. My ex husband was a race

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is still a race car driver,raced twenty cars and dragster. So raised
five little ones for boys and adaughter and had a lot of unusual things
happened to me, really my wholelife, and like so many of us
do, we put it on theback burner because we're busy with life,
you know, paying the mortgage anddoing life. And these questions never left
me. And so in twenty twelve, I became a field investigator for the

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mutual UFO network. I came rightin as a field investigator and just did
a deep dive and everything. Andyou would think after all these years you'd
have more answers, but that's notthe case. It's like more questions keep
popping up. But you know,I enjoy roller skating. I just started
roller skating again, so that's beenfun. There's a little rink here in

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Cripple Creek, Colorado, and soI tried to go every Friday. I
enjoyed roller skating. I enjoy adventuresand going out. We just got back
from Wyoming, and I love archivesand research and all that, so I
stay pretty busy. That's very cool. How old are your grand children?
How old are you? The twogrand kids one is four and one is
one a boy and a girl.And the four year old roller skate with

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you or not yet, but he'splaying. He's learning to ice skate,
so he wants Dad was a hockeyplayer, so he's going to have Christian
hockey get into hockey art. Youknow, yeah, that's great, all
right. So obviously you have aremarkable story to tell. You're known to
have a person connection to the highstrangeness high strangeness Arranch in Colorado. Like
I said at the beginning, andjust for those of you who don't know

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this, doctor J. Allen Heineckin the seventies coined the term high strangeness,
which I think is just remarkably perfect. Isn't that remarkably perfect? Well,
it's so important. It fits somuch because I think still to this
day, and I'm guilty of thisas well. It wasn't just recently until
kind of Skinwalkers at the Pentagon,this book right here kind of came out

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and talked about these hitchhiker effects thatoften happened at these locations of high strangeness.
But I compartmentalized all these different phenomenafrom sasquatching this box and paranormal in
that box and UFOs in that box, and I think they're all intertwined and
connected. It took me a whileto get there, but I do believe
that's the case. So high strangenessis very appropriate. So thank you,

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j Allen Heinick. Yeah, it'sreally such a remarkably great term. So
your first experience, experience or connectionto the Rocky Mountain Ranch was I believe
it was in your childhood and itwas through your mother's boyfriend, if that's
correct. So why did you tellme that's correct? Yet? You about
that era of era of your life, right right? So we moved to
Colorado. My mom worked Reunited Airlines. They moved their training facilitied out here.

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In nineteen seventy seventy three, shedivorces my father. Shortly after she
meets a gentleman at work and startsstating him he's the owner of the ranch
property. He had three sons,so the two younger of the sons lived
with us during the week to attenda larger school district out here in Colorado,
the Cherry Creek School District. Soyou know, we'd go back and
forth and bring the boys back andforth to the ranch on the weekends.

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We'd spend some time there on theweekends. But what's interesting is I never
knew or my sister or anybody knewthis ranch was ever investigated. It was,
in fact a big kind of familysecret. And we'll kind of get
to the night where where we werethreatened and were never to talk about what's
happening out there. So we justwasn't talked about very much. We never
knew anybody knew anything about it untilone day in twenty thirteen, before you

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know the popular series The Skinwalker Ranch. I picked up this book called Hunt
for the Skinwalker by Comb Kellyer herPhD and George Knapp, and I start
reading in this book about other hotspots, and I came across where they're
starting to talk about a ranch atColorado. Well, I knew the strange
dynamic of the family, and thisis where I learned about doctor Leo Sprinkle,

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PhD. Investigating it. APRO actuallydid a big investigation and Leo was
part of that. And for thoseof you don't who don't know who doctor
Leo Sprinkle was, he was apioneer in the field. We lost him
unfortunately in twenty twenty one. Hewas a gem of a man and he
was into past life research and hypnosis. He was a psychologist out of the

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University of Wyoming and for me,you know, it was a two and
a half hour drive, so hedoctor Leo was old school. I learned
got his address from the state directorat the time, Doug Wilson, wrote
him a letter, got a responseletter very promptly from him, and it
wasn't the next week. I wasdown there in his office digging out the
files on the ranch. Also,John Schusler, who is one of the

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founding fathers of move On the MutualUFO network, stowed upon me the original
briefing document from APRO. So tosay that I was shocked to learn about
the rant and that it was actuallyinvestigated was an understatement. I you know,
it was phenomenal and really validating forme and my memories because I'm nine

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to twelve years old during these years. My sister's six years older, she's
a teenager, and for both ofus, it's just been this lifelong journey
of uncovering all these documents and otherwitnesses. So that's terrific in your book.
And I want to talk about yourbook, but I read something here
that I really liked. You askeddoctor Leo, do you believe that the

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paranormal and the et phenomena are connected? And he goes absolutely, Yes,
absolutely they are, which is whatyou were saying earlier. I've had numerous
I've had numerous paranormal experiences with poltergeistsand my dead father visiting me in my
bedroom. You know what's your feelingwith with all? How are all these

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things interconnected? Do you think?Right? I think that, And I
know there's been PhD studies even backto the day of Freudian days, and
there's books about I have three ofthem on my shelf, like I should
have grabbed the names of them.But it talks about disassociation and having paranormal

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experiences and not only just paranormal likeand say ghosts, but UFO encounters and
the like bigfoot encounters, And itmakes a lot of sense for me psychologically,
whether you disassociate through meditation, throughtrauma, through near death experiences,
we just associate and leave our bodiesfor different reasons. It can even be

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drug induced through DMT or whatnot.Right, people have altered states of consciousness,
and I think once you reach thosealternate states of consciousness, you're connecting
in to another realm, so tospeak. And I think it's twofold.
I think once you make that connection, that connections made. And for me,
I had a lot of trauma asa young kid, so I don't

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know if that played a role ornot, but once that connections made,
I think that the second part ofthat is we can choose to open that
door and be open to it andexplorative with it, or we can choose
to close it and just you know, I don't want to deal with that
like and you know, kind ofnot paying any attention to it. So

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I think you need to pay attentionto what's happening to be aware, but
also have that kind of that connectionto the other side or the other realms.
And that's why how I think they'reconnected. Yeah, I think that's
a very good answer. I've hadnumerous experiences during sleep, So okay,

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when you said, you know,leaving your body or travel, I'm convinced
that I travel when I sleep,because when I wake up in the morning,
I know I've been to other placesand I've had that my entire my
friends used to say, Danny,you have the most incredible dreams. I
go, I know, my dreamsare unbelievable, like I'm living movies every
night. But I think you're moreexhausted from being a sleepy when I wake

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up Katie, everyone, I'm like, oh, I'm so tired, you
know. But I have had severalparanormal things during daytime as well. But
I like what you said, dissociationor maybe being in a higher plane.
Do you think maybe ET's bigfoot goesall these things? Do you think they're
inter I think perhaps all of thisis interdimensional, because to me, that
would explain a lot of things.It sure would. And you have to

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remember too, just like I thinkDavid Ike talked about, you know how
we can just see this little sliver. Our five senses are so limited,
so perhaps these are just out ofthe realm. Of what's visible to all
of us. There's so much.I don't remember what the show was called,
but years ago there was a showand it was like the Microscopic Things,
right, And I couldn't watch itbecause just knowing what's all over everything,

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I'm like, oh, my gosh, talk about germophobe. But you
mentioned a really important thing. Thislucid dreaming or having these very vivid dreams,
very active dreams where you're almost exhaustedwhen you wake up. This was
so prevalent. And what happened withthis book is I went to the Archives

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Archives in Laramie, Wyoming, AmericanArchives Center. Anybody can go there.
That's where doctor Leo Sprinkle has allhis works there. And I went there
to get all the information on theranch, but I got lost in boxes
and boxes and boxes of letters thatpeople wrote to doctor Sprinkle about their experiences.
And of course there's letters in thereas well from professionals like Linda Howe

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and Jalen Heinik and even Phil Klass, who was the big debunker back in
the day. And I'm just gobblingall this stuff up. Oh, like,
oh, this is juicy, right, Because not only did he have
the letters he had his response lettersbecause it was old school typing, so
he had the copies of that,and I got lost in these letters,
and there were so many letters frompeople that had these dreams, just like

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what you talk about, like wasthis a dream or was this a memory?
And so much so that the wholethere's a whole chapter in this book
about dreams or memories because people reallyhave similar experiences with that. So it
kind of makes you wonder, likewhat do we do in our sleep?
Maybe we're not always attached here toour bodies. I think that's absolutely true.

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I mean in my dreams, inmy dreams, I've walked on the
moon. I played, I playedthe drums in one of my dreams,
Katie, I was I was ringoon the stage, playing live with the
Beatles, and the song was calledand I Do, Yes, I Do,
Yes, I do And there isno such and there is no such
song, and John maybe another lifethere is. John, Paul and George

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were in front of me. Iwas on the drum riser. The movie
My dream was in black and white, and I am a drummer my whole
life. And I was playing drumswith the Beatles to a song that doesn't
exist in Beetleland, so it doesn'texist here, but it might exist somewhere
else. I mean you hear thatright, that maybe all of us are
We can exist in everything and everywhere, every ear, every plant. Maybe,

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I think so. I was askedone of my favorite autographed, one
of my favorite that was one ofmy favorite dreams. All right, before
we talk, before we really getinto uh letters of light, love and
Light, I just want to readin the back a really wonderful review that
our mutual friend Kathy Martin gave youon the book. And I'm going to
use my little light right here.Finally a book that opens a window into

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the extraordinarily complex world of UFO contactexperiencers. Through the correspondence files of pioneer
researcher, psychologist and hypnotherapist Leo Sprinkle, PhD, we gain insight into contact
with non humans and the varieties ofastonishing phenomena associated with it. This fascinating
book is truly a page turner.Kathleen Martin and of course, for those

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of you who don't know, sheis the niece of Betty and Barney Hill.
And I thought that was really sweet, kitty that she gave me such
a nice ques. She's a sweetlady. Yeah, she's a sweet lady.
She is. So tell us,you know, tell us how I
know you befriended him and you weretight with him and you knew him up
until the end of his life.Tell us about how how did this book?

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How did you give birth to thisbook in a dream? Of all
things you mentioned, yeah, anda dream. Yeah. So I do
a lot of lucid dreaming. Ialways have. But you know, like
I said, I was just gettinglost in these letters and doctor Leo Sprinkle
would sign his letters love and LightLeo. It was kind of his signature.
And I woke up one day andI'm like, letters of love and

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Light, you know, And itwas cool to have it finished before Leo
passed. Did he get did heget to did he get to read I
get to read it. He wasvery proud of it. And one of
my most prized possession actually is righthere, right here in my cabinet.
Hold on to help, it statedright before he passed away. I've never

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shared this on the show before,so but yeah, it's dated January nineteenth,
twenty twenty one. So right beforehe passed, he said, dear
Katie, Thank you so much forthe package that arrived today. Thank you
so much for the copy of yourbook, and thank you for focusing on
the many letters received over the years, and for focusing on Leo's work.

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I love how we talked to meabout myself in the first you are and
I am grateful to read receive thisbook. I love you. May the
book go well sales and reviews.Love and Light Leo, So, so
did you did you dream Love andLight Treasure? This? I did?
I dreamed the title of it,and I just kind of felt like I

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wanted to honor his lifetime of workand because he's such he was such a
gracious man of his time and hisspirit and his energy. And I also
thought, you know, I wouldgo to the archives and take hundreds of
photos, go back, read them, put them in files. The letters
from children were amazing. There weredrawings from children. His response letters were

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really interesting because you could see throughthe decades, you know, from the
sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, and to his train of thinking.
Because he's talking to all the expertsin the field. So I was really
curious to see how his perceptions changedor what his beliefs were, So that
was fascinating. But I thought,if I find these little snippets interesting,

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and that's what I tried to dowith a book, Like I tried to
pull out things that I felt werefascinating, you know, et descriptions,
craft descriptions, implants, motives.It's hard to tell the motives of what's
going on here, but I triedthrough the letters what other people had to
say about it, including Leo onhypnosis from children, Leo's responses, those
kind of things. So yeah,it was just just really three years of

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my life just kind of dedicated toreally being fascinating with what people had to
say in the commonalities because at theend of the day, I think as
researchers and investigators, that's what we'relooking for, you know, to talk
to other people and what happened toyou, what have you seen, what
have you what have you experienced,and try to put the pieces together,

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so to speak, and look forthose commonalities across the board. So that's
it was really a cool journey forme. Do you do you Did you
ever ask him if he knew doctorJohn Mack or had ever met doctor John?
Yeah, yeah, he sure did, because those two guys. They
were probably they were probably the leadersin America in that field, right,

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yeah, yeah, absolutely, allright, so you put together a really
wonderful slideshow for us and race ourproducers going to show, So take it
away, Katie and just call out, okay, yeah, which photo you
want and on the screen? Yeah, I mean I think I mentioned it,
but you know, for my familyand I, we were threatened to
war not to talk about what happenedout there on that ranch. So we

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never knew anybody knew anything about ituntil I purchased that book, and it
was known the slide number three race. Back in the day, it's a
small town out in Elbert County,Colorado, so they dubbed it the Clearview
Ranch. That's the cover of theapro bulletin and the A profiles. But
these are just some of the headlinesfrom back in the day. Clearviews is

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close encounter capital of the US.Does one town have UFO monopoly? You
know? Yeah? So to findthese and the way I came across this
whole big pile of newspaper articles.Here's an important thing to also understand.
This was a sixty acre cattle ranch. But this phenomenon just didn't occur on

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this ranch property. It's the wholearea of Elbert County, from Franktown to
Elizabeth to Kiowa, even to Rayma, Simla, this whole area, so
you know, there was a lot. I have an Excel spreadsheet of over
two hundred people pulled from these newspaperarticles that experienced cattle mutilations. Linda Moulton

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Howe was an investigative journalist at thetime out there in Colorado, and this
is where she kind of got herstart out here. In fact, George
Yarnell and Bill Wall, the sheriffand the under sheriff out there in Melburt
County, are featured in her filmA Strange Harvest. So you know,
to me, Linda, finally lastyear at Contact in the Desert for the
first time, it really came fullcircle for me. But ray Slide number

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one kind of talks about some ofthe similarities and some of the phenomenon that
are very similar to the Skinwalker Ranchand those right there. The compilation of
articles that I got from the BillWah's widow Jean out in Florida. She
had a whole envelope just stocked fullof all these articles. She had saved
all these decades, and she wasgracious enough to let me take them home

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and copy them all and ship themback to her. But one of the
first things reported on the ranch werethese strange humming sounds and bangs underground.
Of course, the cattle mutilations werealmost occurring daily. Colorado Bureau of Investigations
was involved, Norrad was aware.And it wasn't just cattle, but it
was horse and sheep and even dog. I found an article about a mutilated

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dog. People were arming themselves infear they were going to go to humans.
Next, these strange snowless, drydirt circles at something my sister and
I experienced, and we'll talk aboutcraft and orb sidings for decades off of
this property and in the area,Sasquatch creatures, crypto creatures from these large
birds, paranormal activity, the menacinghelicopters, which they were seen often.

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I don't know if they were inconnection with the mutilations or what. This
is something we'll talk about. Definitelya military presence. Two types of ets
spotted on the property. I didnot witness a person only, but other
adults reported scene two types, theNordic and these two b guys that might
be like an AI combo. Uh, this mysterious blanket of metal found strange

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disappearing boxes, so a lot ofactivity, very high strangeness, so remarkable
stuff. What was that blank whatwas blanket of metal? I mean,
what does that mean? Yeah,it was just you know in these articles
that I got, and I believeit is photo number twelve. This was
the actual article, so raised photothere. It is mysterious blanket of metal

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found in field south of Raymond.Now this is the height of all this
strange activity and it's very unusual.There's a photograph of it. I've tried
to reach out to this people.These people it was take taken away and
tested and who knows where this metalis, but very strange. So it's
just one other kind of strange littlepiece of the puzzle. There not a

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lot on that because like often happens, But we do have that photograph,
which is pretty cool that we atleast have the article and the photograph to
document that that happened. But ifwe can go to slide number five race
and we'll just kind of talk aboutthe location of the ranch itself. So
the big red star there on thetop is the Elbert County Ranch. I

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you know, since Beyond Skinwalker refersto it as the Rocky Mountain Ranch.
I kind of adopted that, knowingthat we'll get the most exposure, so
I just thought, well, we'llgo with Rocky Mountain Ranch. And but
there's there on the left there isthe Air Force Academy, and we have
Peterson Air Force Base, Shrivener,Fort Carson, of course, Cheyenne Mountain,
nor Rad. And then something thatis not on the map but is

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a little further south of Fort Carsondown from Chyenne Mountain is Butte, which
houses a large collection of our militaryhelicopters. So the lotion of this ranch
is interesting, especially in the midto late seventies across I twenty five and
through the Black Force, which theBlack Force, they're right below the Star

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has its fair share of UFO sightingsand reportings and cryptids as well, but
the Air Force owned a lot ofthat property. And so what I've been
really focused on for over a decadenow is how much of this activity is
you know, black access government projects, and how much of it is actual
paranormal, unexplainable activity. And whatmakes it really convoluted is I think both

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things are going on at the sametime. And the reason I believe that
is due to my research at doctorLeo Sprinkles and some of the kind of
clues I have found in the notesand some of the research I've done through
you know, pioneers research as well. Katie, Katy, Katy Katy,
I'm sorry, yeah, I hateto interrupt you because you're such a great
world. There. We went alittle bit over, so we have to

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let's do that and we'll come backwith Katiepage in a minute. A UFO
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are on tonight with Katie Page Race. Let's bring a little Katie back there.
Sorry, you know, we haveto pay some bills around here.
So, oh, I get it, I know, I get on this
topic. No, No, thatwas awesome. Do you want to go
back to slide five? Yeah,let me go. Yeah, let's go
back to slide five. So yeah, there we go. Yeah. So

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I was just saying, you know, the location is really interesting, and
you know, one of the bigthings I've tried to figure out, like
I said, is how much ofthis is government black access project and how
much of this is unexplained phenomena.And it's important to note that this property
sat vacant for over ten years.So I'm thinking if the government wanted to

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gobble it up, they could havepurchased it. But I don't know.
It's just very mysterious. On theother hand, in doctor Leo Sprinkle's full
files. If we go to slidenumber six, this is in doctor Leo
Sprinkle, PhD's handwriting here and basicallyBill Waugh was the under sheriff out there
in Milburg County at the time,and he says, Bill Wah, the

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under sheriff, wants to talk tosomeone has seen ships going into the ground
boxes, mutilations being done. Nobodywill talk. Doesn't want investigation or publicity.
They didn't want the town the locationknown. That's why it was known
as the Clearview Ranch. No stigmacredentials are an important factor. They didn't
want to ruin people's reputations by thisstuff. John who was a friend of

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he was living on the ranch frommy childhood, so it was from that
particular property would go back. Norarad Colonel said bluntly to forget about it
and to shut up. And theAir Force head has a directive to handle
UFOs and Bigfoot. So and ifwe go to flight number seven, where
this gets even more interesting, thisis also in doctor Leo Sprinkle's hand Warren

(33:15):
and the last name was redacted out. I'm hoping to get that last name
and maybe I can track Warren downbecause in David Marler, who has a
national UFO Historical Research center outside ofAlbuquerque, New Mexico, just recently acquired
the original app profile, so Ican't wait to get there and get these

(33:37):
unredacted versions, so hopefully I canmaybe find Warren. But he was from
Camp Carson, so my first questionwas always why do we have a soldier
from Camp Carson on the ranch property? But he visits the ranch, he
felt something wrong, wouldn't go intothe woods, something took over his mind,
made him walk towards the woods,would release him and he would run

(33:59):
back and did this to him fivetimes. What's fascinating is John, the
gentleman that was referred to the LastLight. He was one of the the
he lived on that ranch property.He was actually dating the ex wife of
the guy my mom was dating.So it was, you know, aventies.
It was one big, happy lovefamily. You know, we had

(34:21):
Thanksgivings together, it was all that. But anyway, he's interesting. He
claimed to be from San Francisco,part of the military, the Air Force,
and it's interesting in the reports hetalks about legal LSD kind of mind
control kind of stuff. So I'vesort of been really looking into what part

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or what role the CIA might haveMK ultra, maybe sound weapons, what
was really going on at this ranchand did it play a role in what
was happening out there. On theother hand, we have a lot of
this paranormal stuff and orbs flying onand off the property and the mutilations.
You know that. I don't thinkwe have good answers for Chuck Sukaalaski,
Christopher O'Brien, Linda how they've donedecades of worth of work on this and

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I don't think we have clear answersas to what that is. And it's
still going on to this day.So definitely a military presence now one of
the most interesting things to me,And this is kind of an ongoing kind
of thing. But in the APRObulletin it mentioned to a seventy interceptors that

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were in pursuit of a UFO,And if you go to slide number eight
race the top of that slide rightthere is where it talks about that.
In the APRO briefing document, Idon't have my glasses on, let me
get them on really quickly, butit basically says, I also understand that
two National Guard interceptors were up again, redacted out and went down while in

(35:53):
pursuit of a UFO at night.All this was just a little unnerving,
so I decided I was going tostop my own inquiry. I was just
going to quietly mind my own business. That's the sheriff talking. So I
did some research on this. DoctorRichard Dody sent a foyer request out to
Kirkland Mishaps office and got a bigthick envelope back, and it's very suspicious.

(36:15):
Both pilots ejected and both survived.But if we go to slide number
nine here you can that's part ofthe report I got back in the mail,
and this is one of the causes, says the instructor pilot misidentified the
rotating beacon of another aircraft as astudent's aircraft, and the instructor hits the
tail of the students. Both gointo a tailspoon. Both pilots eject and

(36:38):
they lose both the aircraft. Butthey never identify anywhere in the radio transcripts
in any of these documents unless it'swhere it's all blocked out what this other
aircraft was. And then it goeson to say, if we go to
nine A seven D B, thatthere were eight inoperative instrument panel. So

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here it talks about how after sunsetRed Eye seventy two lost eight of his
cockpit instrumentation lights. And so ifwe go to nine B that photo there
of the panels. I went andfound an actual diagram of the A SEVN
D interceptors. And my youngest sonright now, he's at Spartan Aviation College

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and you know, he's getting hispower plant and all that. So I
asked Tyler, you know, whatare these instruments have in common and how
can they be affected? And hesaid possibly. Now I don't know,
I'm not a scientist, and maybethere's somebody out there that knows, but
possibly stato static, electro magnetism orstatic can cause these instruments to go out.

(37:44):
But I find it interesting that hehad to illuminate his cockpit via a
different means as this incident is occurringin that he lost those. Another interesting
thing, if we go to thenine CAA seventy was this supposed instructor and
they were flying over residential neighborhoods outthere in Elizabeth and they had two hundred

(38:07):
and eighteen eighteen live rounds of twentymillimeter bullets. Now, I don't know.
I'm not in the Air Force.I don't know if that's standard practice.
But I don't know about you,but I don't want loaded things flying
over my house at night. Sonine DA seventy shows a picture of what

(38:27):
one of those rounds looks like.Oh my god, the shock, I
know. So there were hundred andeighteen of those. I think is one
hundred and eighteen of those on boardthat night, So that whole incident is
rather suspicious. And and what's more, and doing some research, I love
researching the seventies. I just thinkit was a cool era for a lot
of reasons. It was before wehad cell phones and you know, all

(38:50):
these wonderful CGI technologies and stuff.So I was at David Marler's and I
came across. Now this incident,the two A seventy's that crashed in County
by the Ranch in pursuit of aUFO happened on November eleventh, nineteen seventy
five, and I come across.If we go to the nine F.

(39:10):
Katie research picture, this is thefront page of the National Inquirer. On
it says Air Force scrambled JITs tointercept UFO, So they're admitting that they
scrambled interceptors and what this was.If we go to nine E Norrad this
was a thirty I think it wasthirty six page document. I found it

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David Marlers that talks about an incidentthat occurred on November eleventh, nineteen seventy
five, the exact same day asthe two interceptors, the two A seventies
and in falcon Bridge, Ontario.They were watching these anomalous objects on radar
for a very long time. Theywere reported at twenty six thousand feet and

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which shoots straight up to seventy twothousand feet. They were witnessed, like
I said, by the radar ourpeople, they were radar operators. They
were witnessed by military personnel, sevenpolice officers, civilians on the ground.
So they're watching these things. They'retraveling thirty five nautical miles over the Great

(40:14):
Lake. So they decide to scrambletwo f one oh six delta darts after
these UFOs, and I just findit interesting that they were on the exact
same day. Now, in doingresearch, you know what happened right after
midnight on November eleventh, nineteen seventyfive, right after midnight, we have

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Travis Walton was returned from his abductionthat same day. So if you go
how far how far was how farwas he from this ranch? Right?
Well, he was found in Arizona, right, and so Snowflake, Arizona
one hundred miles a couple of hundredmiles, right, So Selfridge, Michigan.

(40:59):
They're scrambling jets out outside of Michigan. And then we have Travis Walton
coming back right after midnight that sameday in Arizona, Snowflake, Arizona.
And then that same day or youknow, we have jet scrambled in Colorado.
So was there some big waves?So there's more research to be done.
On November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, something was going on closed my

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mind that all three of these eventsoccurred on that same day, Katie,
Does Travis Walton know this information?I don't think I've told him yet.
I just a contact. You gotto tell him a contact the night the
day you were found. This happenedin Colorado. I love Travis. I
you know, when I was doingthe MARS program with a moofon archive research

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and redacting, I kind of ledthat group of we spent three years,
a whole team of fifteen of usat Moufon redacting all the old paper files.
And in going through all those oldfiles for Moufon, I came across
all the Travis Walton's original stuff,some of which he hadn't had. I
think we were in Irvine at thetime, I think or Vegas. I'm
not sure where it was. Theyall bled together after a while, but

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I was just so excited. Iyou know, we went and got a
flash drive and copied it on.Was so honored to give him all that
stuff back because it's his story.He should have it all. And you
know, it's hard because there wasa lot of pushback from you know,
debunkers that were trying to fill classin that and was all in there.

(42:27):
But I think Travis he went througha lot, and I think these two
interceptors or these four interceptors scrambled thatvery same day. Really leads a lot
of credibility to Travis's case. Tomake sure to tell him next month when
I see him at Absolutely you havesimilar slides? Do you want to show
us? I did. Let's seewhere can we go from here? So

(42:53):
yeah, symptoms, let's do thatone. Do Katie symptoms. Yeah,
Katie symptoms. I don't like talkingabout Katie, but there's some pictures of
me. But during the ranch years, this is Katy, this is your
this is your story to tell,so let's tell it. Yeah, yeah,
I know I like to talk about, you know, all the other

(43:14):
witnesses because yeah, Well, thescariest night on the ranch for me and
my sister was the boys is mother'sbirthday. It was a weekend night.
The adults were in the front room, very late at night, the three
boys, My sister and I werein the in the boys' bedroom and that
hum sound started up. Power goesout of the house and I see the

(43:35):
brightest light I've ever seen outside thewindow. And at that time it was
like this every out of every orificeof the house and there's no power,
and it sounded like this mechanical voice, basically, attention. We have allowed
you to remain We have interfered withyour lives very little. Don't cause us
to take action which you will regret. Your friends will be instructed to remain

(43:58):
silent concerning us. And my momtook that very seriously. And we know,
don't talk about what's going on thereto anybody, and was at the
military testing some sort of sound weapons. I don't know, but that night,
that very night, we drove backto our house, which was about
an hour away from the ranch,and I walked in the front door,
collapsed to the ground and was paralyzedand catatonic for a few minutes. I

(44:22):
couldn't speak. That's when the migraineheadaches, who they were severe, you
know where you have the tunnel vision, the vomiting and all that stuff.
Finally went through biofeedback training to geta handle on, and thank goodness,
ringing in the years reoccurring nightmares,the shadow figures in the room. Never
slept alone after that. I alwaysslept with Big sister until I was twelve
and she moved away. She movedto Wyoming. No, don't leave me.

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The lucid vivid dreams, which wetalked about this exersensory abilities or you
know. At the time, Ijust thought everybody saw everybody's lives and little
movies in their heads, you know, I just thought that was normal.
I didn't realize till was much later. I was like, oh, not
everybody does that. Whatever sense ofbeing watched was super intense and really that
that lasted up until my early forties, late thirties, early forties, where

(45:06):
I always felt watched, and thenthe one encounter I had with this strange,
mysterious blue orb happened actually in twentythirteen when I really started taking deep
dives back into this phenomenon. So, you know, some of those things,
paranormal stuff all the time, justthat's just sort of the norm.
And I think a lot of peoplethat have these experience have that similar kind
of thing where it's just this hauntedlife kind of thing. Do you think

(45:29):
you were chosen selected or it wasjust random chance that you happened to be
there, No, I you know, just like Kathleen Martin and MUFON's Ert
team. I think, you know, through the decades, we see these
patterns family histories where yeah, andyou know, my grandfather had a sighting
that was investigated by Heinik out ofWisconsin in the early sixties. My family

(45:52):
and I had a counter in Illinois, my father, my grandfather, Navy
people. I don't know if thisis attached to military families or people who
serve, but I hear it often, so I think that's interesting. I
don't know, I don't feel likeI was chosen or special or again we
kind of touched on it earlier wherethere was a lot of trauma in my

(46:14):
past, you know, and sois it just does it? And for
children too? I mean children areopen to these things. And I was
nine to twelve years old, soyou know, I don't know, but
it affected so many people. That'sI think. That's why for me,
it's important that I have that listof over two hundred other witnesses because it's

(46:35):
not just my story, it's thiswhole area that was experiencing things. But
for some reason, it does seemto sort of follow me wherever I go.
It doesn't matter where I am,I have like things happen around me.
So I don't know why that is. But even as a move on
investigator, we would, you know, get reports from people out camping or
whatever they may be doing out there, and certain people will be more by

(47:00):
things than others. So what isthat? I'm not sure, But it
could just be that we're willing tobe open to it. I don't know,
right well, I mean, areyou aware of any of the researchers
investigating. I think you're the youare the chosen one. I think you
were the chosen one to tell thestory. Oh for yeah, for the

(47:22):
Rocky Mountain Ranch, for sure,I think, and I am proud of
that fact. And I'm very happythat Beyond Skinwalker is looking at these other
locations because you know, not justhere in the United States, but Paul
Sinclair over at the UK and otherplaces around the world have these high strangeles
locations and to look at the similaritiesbetween them, you know, most of

(47:42):
them are very highly magnetic, haveaquifers or water features, having certain geological
similarities of quartz crystals, gold,sandstone, these I mean, are they
just the right ingredients to let usobserve and interact with a phenomenon? Is
it? Whatever this phenomenon is,it is attracted to these locations because of

(48:07):
these commonalities. There's also this reallyinteresting Elk piece. I mean, we
have the Carl Higden case in theseventies out there in Wyoming. Elk Hunter
had very he had these boxes.That's a whole other thing, these strange
boxes. But if we can goto the slide sixteen. What's interesting about
this and doing Beyond skin Walker,it's afforded me the opportunity to do some

(48:30):
interview with some locals and this wasa sketch done. This event happened in
November of twenty twenty one approximately.He was out there elk hunting in Elburt
County and this was during the day. And what's interesting, this is a
firefighter, a very credible witness.He's lived there for decades and decades,
interviewed his mother, a business owner, super credible man. And there's parts

(48:55):
in Elburg County, in the inthe Ponderosa Pines where he he just gets
these uneasy feelings that he won't evenenter into these certain areas even in the
daytime. But he was hunting,elk hunting, and he sees this red
orange glow as how he described it. And he sees a very metallic,
shiny object with this red glow,four to five feet in diameter, six

(49:19):
to eight feet off the ground.And he said the top, he said,
there were two like two buntcakes pants, one on top of the other,
silent, no sound. One wasthe top was spinning counterclockwise, the
bottom was spinning clockwise. And helooks away for a second, looks back
and they just disappeared. They justvanished. And this was just a recent
sighting in August. Just this lastAugust there was a mutilation in the farm

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or the ranch next to his.So these mutilations are still occurring out there
in the area, just not tothe height they were. And to get
to talk with witnesses, other witnessesthat are still having phenomena out there has
been is incredible. You know,this didn't stop in the late seventies.
It's continuing on to this day,right right. I enjoyed So you were

(50:07):
in one episode season one of BeyondSkinwalker. I saw that and I think
I emailed you and said I reallyenjoyed it. And I know you're going
to be in two episodes in seasontwo. But for those of us,
for those of people out there whodidn't see your episode in season one,
because some very weird stuff happened,do you want to just, yeah,
do a little synopsis of that night. Yeah. I mean, what an

(50:30):
incredible experience for me because what hadhappened. The people that own the ranch
now had bought it from the familyfrom my childhood, right, and so
before COVID, I had left thema note in their delivery box, and
then COVID hit shut everything down.And then the next thing you know,
I'm hearing from beyond Skinwalker that hey, you know, we heard about this

(50:51):
and your story and yes, contactthem. And I was so excited when
I heard the news that they wereopen to meeting me and to maybe doing
this project because I knew nothing aboutthe history of their location, so they
did not let me go or speakto them or nothing until cameras were rolling.
So what you see there is myfirst time back, and I just
remember all the emotions. I mean, I'm investigating over ten years, all

(51:14):
the memories, all the fears,all that stuff, and it was getting
dark dusk out, and I justwanted to get on the ranch. And
I have to kind of giggle becauseI think they were wanting an emotional like
crying reaction or whatever, but Ireally kind of got like it was so
overwhelming. And then to have theradio responses that I did and some of

(51:35):
the memories coming back in that Ikind of got into this, like,
Okay, I'm a grown up.Now, You're not going to scare me
anymore. You know, who areyou, what are you? And what
do you want? And then youknow season two will be coming out shortly,
so I can't resign non disclosures untilafter the episode's air but if you
haven't seen it, the we hadDavid Morehouse and they did it. The

(51:58):
biggest remote view ever were done inthe history of the country at that ranch,
and they did a whole little segmenton the History Channel. You can
go to the History Channel dot comand find it. And thankfully they're bringing
that back on. I can atleast give you that clue for season two,
and they're bringing that back in becauseit's so important and David Morehouse did
incredible work on that remote view.There were over seventy remote viewers from around

(52:21):
the world remote viewing that location,and then they went back and tried to
remote you that day the night ofthat disembodied voice. So the results of
that were just phenomenal to the pointwhere I was like, I mean,
it was blowing my mind. Iwas I was, I was scared for
you, like and I knew itwas wasn't live, but I was like,
because I had just met you,know, I met you, and

(52:42):
then I was watching, I waslike, God, you know, run
Katie, run get out of thehouse in your car. Well, I
didn't know, because I knew thehouse was in the same location, but
it didn't look exactly the same tohow I remembered it, and it remembered
you, It remembered it, itremembered me. But what they did is
they built additions to the left,to the right, and to the front.

(53:02):
But the original house is within theadditions, right, so they put
those radio equipments in the original house. And remember that's for sure. With
a few minutes left, tell us, uh, so you and I will
both be a contact in the desert. Get your tickets now contacting the Desert
dot Com. I'd love to seeabout the what what what are some of

(53:24):
the topics that you'll I know your on the Women of Upology panel and
by and by the way, aboutthat, well, hold on and by
the way, take a guess whothought of that? Yes, that was
my idea. Thank you very much, Thank you for that, because talk
about full circle, I mean beingon a panel with Lennam Milton, how
I'm so on and these other wonderfulwomen in the field. Kelly Chase will

(53:45):
be hosting that. Yvonne Smith.I got to meet Yvonne Smith and she
does incredible work with experiencers and hypnosis. Alexis Brooks, doctor desire hertech.
I haven't had the pleasure of meetingher or Kim Carlsburg. But it's just
going to be an amazing panel.And then I'm on the second Paranormal High
Strangest panel hosted by Ben Hansen,and of course we have Dwayne Olinger from

(54:07):
blind Frog and he's such a coolguy. Who else is on it?
Andrew Collins, Craig Compo, Basso, Eric Renkins. So that should be
a cool discussion. And then I'llbe given my talk on the Colorado Rocky
Mountain Ranch on Monday. So whattime is time? I think you're speaking
on Monday too? Monday is Monday? Is why I think my father built

(54:28):
UFOs for the military, because I'mpretty sure my father was involved. My
talk is Monday at ten thirty.What do you know what time yours is
on the Monday? I want tosay it's right after that. Maybe it's
at two. I don't have Ihope we're I know I'm after you well
because I'm doing the government cover upsas well well if you if you come
to mind, I'll come to years. How about that deal deal? Let's
see, Yeah, I need peoplesitting in the audience last few minutes,

(54:52):
so as you know, Steve Bassettand I created the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance last
year. You were one of ourearliest and wonderful and probably the most one
of the more attractive founding numbers thatwe have. How do you feel,
what, given the disclosures is hopefullyimminent, How do you feel Hollywood should

(55:13):
be embracing the Disclosure Alliance of peoplelike you, experiencers, researchers. What
can Hollywood do to help move thiscause forward? What do you say?
Right? It's such an important causeand there's nobody better out there there.
They can't stop the snowball rolling downthe hill is gaining momentum. They can't
keep us quiet, they can't keepall of us, you know, I
think research credibility. That's why Ilove archives and research and documents because that's

(55:37):
an important piece of the puzzle too, because that has has to be part
of the problem. But what blowsmy mind is the history of euthology even
you know, it's so important thatgets represented correctly, you know, nineteen
seventy seven Close Encounters of the Thirdkind like that was to me the I
mean, there's been some good UFOmovies. That's the best way I want

(55:59):
to see that is the best oneI've seen it fifty times, Yeah,
fifty fifth and I cry at theend at Katy every single time, fifty
times. I always cry at theend. Oh, it's so great.
I just watched it recently again myself. What's so funny? So you got
to think about that. So nineteenseventy five to nineteen seventy eight, I'm
going I'm living the Ranch and seventyseven Close Encounters comes out. I think

(56:20):
it's a documentary. I didn't know. I know you were living that stuff.
I was living crazy. Wow,cool documentary. They just made a
movie. So you know, AlanHeinech was Steve was Steven's consultant. You
know that doctor Heinich is even atthe end with this little cameo with his
little pipe. Yeah. I thinkthat's great. I've become I've become pretty
good friends with Paul Heineck. SoI think that's pretty cool. Last thing

(56:44):
is, I know you want totalk about Rocky Mountain Ranch Research Foundation.
What is it? What it does, and what would you like to help
people get this off the ground?So you know, I what is it
about? What's it about? Well, I'm you know, gathering a team
of people. I've been working withTrey Hudson, and you know, I
like talking with James Keenan. Wehave doctor Simeon Hine out here in Boulder.

(57:06):
So I just want to get agood team together, to actually get
together, put our heads together,go do experiments on the rant. Take
a camera with me, Take allof you guys with me. Put videos
out there so everybody can help mealong this journey. So it's my new
baby and getting it off the groundright now. So Rocky Mountain Ranch Research
Foundation will be a nonprofit foundation tohelp in finding answers for this phenomenon.

(57:30):
And you know that's great, that'sbest of luck. HD. Hollywood Disclosure
is also a nonprofit. We justrecently got approved to be a nonprofit.
How can people reach you if theywant to contact you right now? You
can find me at Katiepage dot net. So k A T I E P
A I G E dot net andyou can contact me there and you can

(57:52):
also find out more about the RockyMountain Rants Research Foundation and that website will
be coming on shortly and building itright now. So best of luck,
best of luck, best fluck.You know it's hard, it's hard to
launch a nonprofit. I did it. This past year. I wish you
all the best. I will seeyou, my little friend. I'll see
you at Contact in the Desert dotcom. Get your tickets now. Thank
you very much, Katie. Thankyou Katie Page for being you and wonderful

(58:15):
stories, and thank you for puttingthose images together. You're my only clients
client, You're my only guest sofar that that was the most organized with
the artwork. I really appreciate it. I try, I try. Great
job, great job, be well. I'll see you soon. Thank you
everyone for watching Live from Hollywood.It's paranormal tonight, really fun episode with
the wonderful Katie Page. Check outher book Letters of Love and Light.

(58:36):
Check out my book After They CameAmazon, Dan Harariauthor dot com, Danharrari
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doing the show man. I gotto tell you, it's been a few
months now and I'm getting my groovein here and I had I'm happy,

(59:00):
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