March 24, 2026 • 43 mins
Punjabis from different parts of the diaspora are so similar, yet different. It’s like we're in a Multiverse.
In this episode of Jugni, we bridge the Atlantic for a massive conversation with London-based creator Beant Dhillon. Known for his sharp insights into Punjabi and Sikh-related content, Beant joins me for a hilarious, insightful and winding conversation that covers:
* The Evolution of Punjabi Music: The resurgence of Folk and what it was like interviewing TruSkool.
* Sikh History: The stories and heritage that shape us as a community today.
* UK vs. Canadian Punjabis: learning Punjabi and our terrible attempts at each other’s accents.
* The Rap Influence: Beant’s rapping career and how artists like Drake, Kendrick, and J Hus influenced him growing up.
* Content with a Purpose: The journey of creating Sikh-centric content and the responsibility that comes with representing Panjabis online.
This is Part 1 of a 2-part conversation. Make sure to check out Part 2 for the rest!
In this episode of Jugni, we bridge the Atlantic for a massive conversation with London-based creator Beant Dhillon. Known for his sharp insights into Punjabi and Sikh-related content, Beant joins me for a hilarious, insightful and winding conversation that covers:
* The Evolution of Punjabi Music: The resurgence of Folk and what it was like interviewing TruSkool.
* Sikh History: The stories and heritage that shape us as a community today.
* UK vs. Canadian Punjabis: learning Punjabi and our terrible attempts at each other’s accents.
* The Rap Influence: Beant’s rapping career and how artists like Drake, Kendrick, and J Hus influenced him growing up.
* Content with a Purpose: The journey of creating Sikh-centric content and the responsibility that comes with representing Panjabis online.
This is Part 1 of a 2-part conversation. Make sure to check out Part 2 for the rest!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to Jickney. I'm your host Purblane. If
you're interested in Pinjubby and sick related content, you might
know this week's guest Bant Dellon from London Town. Prepare
to be sick of my British accent and bands Canadian accent.
Oh my god, you guys are not ready for this.
We definitely get into the UK versus Canadian Panjeppi's debate.
(00:20):
What I love about band is how dimensional he is.
Like we can go from shooting shit bantering to deep
conversations about the sik Kudus or Bunjubi folk music. He's
quite wise. I forget that he's younger than me. Sometimes
I learned a lot. He gave great advice about content
creation and keeping yourself accountable. You guys are in for
two chaotic and intriguing episodes, so let's get right into
(00:42):
part one.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
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Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's recording right now.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, big up, Yasmin yes.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Man, Welcome to jerny Wait is your first name beyond Beyond?
That's it, but your Instagram is beyond.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Still yeah, basically mindscrams beyond sell that's my name saying,
but I used to have well, I still I'm a rapper.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Are you yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
He told me this. He told me that, so.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I started off if they can't called beyond the artist.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Or aren't you supposed to do something you're supposed to
because I'm probably in camboge and you're.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Hello, what I'm saying it wrong? Now I'm getting confused
by name.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He was chatting so much ship before we started recording,
and now he's becoming like, I'm such.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
A good You're jumping the whole thing because your proba.
I thought you were called prop common because prob come yeah,
but I'm probably And then I said borge like yeah,
and then I spoke about how I'm at Yellow, so
I'm at yat but with them saying who is comboge
is mentioned in? But they are there, which is sang
(02:10):
By at the cart And I'm not I'm not going
to sing it much.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm not serious. Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Dead? A're so like saying it maybe one day like
in a few years. He was singing so.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Much before this he actually wouldn't stop singing.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Sometimes again welcome to Jackney. I feel like we should start
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
We'll cut up everything.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We're in London town.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, I'm in your ends.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, so sort of where did you say you're from?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Lemington Spa? Royal Lemington Spa?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
What is where is that?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That is near? Commentary? Which is near Birmingham? You know
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Hair Peaky for camp Blind.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yes, Birmingham, but Lemington's forty minutes away. It's his own thing,
you know. And are ground shaker?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, no, I don't. You don't know how man, So
we've realized that there's oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
He's from he's from Lemington Spa. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I don't know their names.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Fair Yeah the song it's not fair. No, it's absolutely
not fair. You're right, you're right. I should. My parents
were too busy teaching me about.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And I was a kid, you know, did sore mine?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That's why you know all this?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
No, I don't know a lot. No, So your find
your family, I think. Yeah, obviously every family is different.
Some families I feel like just prioritize siki quite a lot. Yeah,
and they're not that on the Punjabi side. And I
feel like a family that was more on that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah mine too, Yeah yeah, which is.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Some families the other way around.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
But they're like they don't teach a lot sicky, but
they don't put the culture.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah. But if you think about it, both of us
we like are really into the Punjabi culture.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, so it's like we found our way to it.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, I think, you know, it's quite controversial. I think
the two cultures obviously don't have to be Punjabi to
be a sick. But from when God DVD comes on
earth to Punjab, we'd say, like was from that moment,
Punjabi culture it shifts entirely if we believe our sex
that guru sab which we do believe is and God
(04:22):
is God.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Is one, is that one energy is one ess? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Do you not think that the land that all the
gurus were kind of mostly residing in and Gorbin Sin
was in button house side and stuff. But do you
not think that then affects the whole culture, the whole zeitgeist,
the whole that landscape. I think it does to an
extent that Punjabi culture then is changed like forever and
becomes intertwined with siki where Siki you don't have to
(04:49):
be Punjabi, but Punjabi culture, especially on on on our
India side, is very much influenced by Siki to an
extent where it informs the culture and that artomic wave
that not even like the Baghdi tradition Sufism, which are
more aligned with that understanding ek on God, that way
of thinking which is more Lasiki is so prevalent in
(05:11):
Punjab and that is intertwined with the culture like bulletsh
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
They don't go against Ski, right, that's all in line.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, But I feel like you could say the same
essentially about any major religion in Punjab, like it wouldn't
be what it is without Moguls, it wouldn't be what
it is without Hindus. It is.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But that's why I mentioned Sufism and the bug of
the movement. I think not to cut you off with
the Mguls. The Muguls had quite a conservative view of
an important view. It wasn't native to the land, is
what I think. And that conservative native view what.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You're saying, like, I agree with what you're saying. Yes,
I don't mean that the Muguls are influencing Punjabi culture
in the way that Sikhism has. They've influenced it in
a different way. I think it's mainly in like the
aesthetics around Punjabi culture. They've influenced it way more in
terms of fashion things like that. They have a lot
more influence. I don't think that their influence comes from
(06:08):
the ethics.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, the expiraitual Okay, I'm with you, I'm with you.
I'm with you. I'm with you hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Their influence on the art, the miniatures, the paintings especially,
and that's something I can't talk about. You can talk
about the fashion probably more. Even the architecture, the gormouth
we have and stuff like that. Months traditionally have I
forgot what it's called now, No, it's not a dome, right,
Whereas we've taken that mogular kind of inspiration from what
I know that comes from aligning yourself with the powers
(06:36):
of the time, to put yourself on that level for
sovereignty purposes.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, this is the perfect segue because we were going
to talk about the salidop. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So
I was doing some research on it. Essentially, the salidop
was worn by the first five groups. Yeah, right, starting
with Dave j. Of course, by the time we got
to Guru Hardgobbin, that's where he decided to not wear
(07:02):
the Sealidopi and he decided to opt for something that
was considered more mogul at the time, which was now
with the Star. But because it was because he wanted
to take arms and he needed way more protection obviously
for his head than offer. Yeah, and a S was
made out of self. It was really light, right, It's
(07:22):
not really going to give you as much protection versus
the Star is going to be a little bit better
in battle easy.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, so I knew the Spy was eventually phased out.
And think this is based on like s Pregas and
different kind of grants that talk about and also depict
I think it's like old Brad Then kind of paintings that.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Like Jen Msakis definitely have a lot of depictions of
the selidopy.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I didn't know the reasoning behind it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And I guess any historian's looking back, they're probably trying
to assess figure it out, and there's probably competing views
about why that change took place.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, that's what I found from my research, And then
I was trying to look I'm like, okay, so why
was the sealidop adopted in the first place, And it
was because it was considered a spiritual kind of symbol.
A lot of sadoos or saddus I think so you
call them or just like spiritual leaders sufi's they used
to wear them. So that's why go Dag I guess
adopted it because that's essentially how he probably viewed himself
(08:25):
and that was the basis of siki until the sixth
Gurdu where it started becoming like taking arms was the thing,
and it was like Marshal, I.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Think they were building. From my understanding, they were building
towards something. Each gourda was furthering this movement. Yeah, so
gurn dv G was Marshal because we know that the
early go they had like a karti where they were
doing wrestling and stuff, so they had that marshal element.
(08:54):
But they were basically, from what I can tell, kind
of engaging stake craft, state building, and it takes time
for that to materialize into what we know as armies.
Because early gurus I think good Aamdust you know, people
can correct me in the comments. Whatever was they were
acquiring like horses and things like that, and horses are
(09:15):
there for mobilization, for militaristic purposes and for other purposes
as well. A lot of the Guru's kind of founded
cities as well, So they were creating their own sovereign
territories within South Asia, ben Jab and surrounding areas. And
that was a building upon from what the last Guru did.
(09:35):
Took kind of that time to build a movement and
build a nation state in loose.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Terms, I think what he was trying to do by
opting for the start over this alidopy, which is like still,
I don't know this is confirmed. This is just if
we're going off of that hypothesis. Yeah, it was because
he wanted to build an army. And I always think
about this in Secure when they talk about when you're
living in a society, you kind of you have to
be a part of it, right, and you have to
(10:02):
kind of go by it. And at that time, if
you wanted to take arms and you wanted to have
an army, and you wanted to you know, be able
to defend yourself and go into battle, there were certain
things that you just kind of had to do, and
I think one of those was adopting at.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The start maybe.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, we know that in sick tradition, mirroring power like
we saw with the Munji system, where you align yourself
with what the sovereign is doing at that time. Yeah,
is a technique and an institution that was in build.
So they would do they would, for want of a
better word, mimic existing power structures to put themselves and
(10:38):
to assert their own sovereignty.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So a good example of that in the UK would be,
let's say, if you wanted some sort of sovereignty, a
sick kind of sovereignty, you would institute and institutionalized, rather
and cement your hierarchy based on the existing UK government.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So you may have something like a prime minister. Happened
here at times.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I think in their outward pursuit of worldly power and sovereignty,
the gorm would adopt existing power structures and that just
only makes sense that that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
One another thing I wanted to talk about because I
just feel like we need to give this its flowers
is band scanned her? Oh yeah, please give the camera
a nice lug.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I don't really wear the gold one. In fact, I
brought it because I'm at work. When I was at
work today, finished quite.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Late, and he brought it to make sure that you
guys could see.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I was like, I was like, I'm dressed in a suit.
I look really naked because I've had like a long week.
And I thought, let me, let me add a bit
of bianp to the podcast, because if I'm wearing a suit
and I'm just boring, like it's a boring fit.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's a nice suit. My mate made. It is from Thailand.
It's called a big If you want.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
To suit anywhere the plang please.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Basically, I'll go to this sec UCL Sex Society event
and I meet my maid Big and I say, your
suit is really like fits really nicely. It's a really
nice suit. Where did you get it from? And he
opens it up and that gaming of the calendar the chaos,
not the condaes. My family was My family are Taylor's
(12:25):
in Bangkok? So I got two made from him. And
then I went to another event, another thing I know
from like the London City kind of network I've got.
I say, your suit's really nice. Where'd you get it from?
Same place? Same place?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
He goes, Yeah, from my same friend.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Because we all know each other, Like in London, there's
a lot of sayings and each other in Central. So
if I think if you work Central at a law firm,
at a consultancy, a bank finance, a lot of us
kind of network between age groups. So like i'd say, like,
obviously I don't know everybody, but I know a lot
of the sayings and the gods who are between like
(13:04):
twenty two twenty six working in the city doing similar
things to what I do, like commercial law or like banking, finance,
whatever it is, because we try and create a community, yeah,
and help each other out as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah. Which, by the way, if people don't know, then it's.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
A lawyer, yeah, trainee, trainee, trainee slister. I feel like
for legal reasons, I need to say that I can't
just say I'm a lawyer, although lawyer is not a
protected term, so anyone can call themselves a lawyer in
the UK, like you could turn around to say I'm
a lawyer, So be careful because I'm sure people do that.
People like if you're a paralegal, you're a lawyer. If
you're a secretary or a lawyer, if you're a receptionist,
(13:43):
you're a lawyer. Technically, if you do anything legally related,
you can say you're a lawyer. If you don't do
anything legally related, you could still say you're a lawyer.
It's not protected.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Wild So you're training to be a lawyer. Yeah, you
create Bunjavi and sick content and more.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I started making concay about books. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, I've got a video coming about Emins chocolate that
I like.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, nice, you're a rapper, yes, yeah, well, how do
you have time for all of this?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It seems like a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It is a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I think my hobbies are quite public. You probably relate
to this as well, someone who makes content. Yeah, there's
something probably to be said for that from like genuinely
from like introspection, ego kind of place, if you kind
of analyze it. Why are all my hobbies quite you know,
putting myself out there trying to, what you could say,
try and get validation.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
That's a fair critique.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, Granted, lawyer isn't public, but I do publicize it
because it's good for your career with Lincoln and things
like that. So people are aware of that being something
I do. I think other people have hobbies, but they're
not public. So if you, you know, if you kickball
every week with a couple hours with your friends, I
(14:56):
might make a video or make three videos in that
two hours and edit them.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, now I look like I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Super busy, but you're also busy because you play football
with your boys for two hours. Other than the content creation,
the music and the other things I do are quite
social anyway, so I'm doing them with my friends, so
it's not I'm not as busy as it seems with
the job. I'm a lot more busy. Before that, I
was studying, and I was busy then as well. But
(15:23):
I think that's no more than anyone else who's in
his career in the city. You're in tech, you should
tell people that as well. Software engineers pretty mad?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Software developer? Software developer engineer is a protected term.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Is it okay? Crazy?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You need a ring? The ring?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I don't even know if you're being serious.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm so serious. So there's like the steel ring that
engineers get and you're part of the Engineering Association. I'm
so serious.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
This is a North American thing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's a it's a Canadian thing.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
What is it with America? Because you when you win
the NBA, you don't get a medal. What do you get?
You get a ring? Right, say, with the NFL, you
get a ring? Yeah? Yeah, what is it with you? Rings?
And we just have them for like marriage? You like ringing?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, maybe that's more of an American thing because there's
only one Canadian basketball team and that's wrapped Toronto.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
You're from Brampton, yeah, which is like two hours from.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
No, No, it depends what part of Brampton you're from.
If you're closer to Toronto, it's like thirty minute thirty
really oh yeah yeah yeah, it makes it worse. You
should come.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I would like to go.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The transit system sucks. It's really not as good as
it is here. It's yeah, here, it's amazing. I love
the tube.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, tube tube.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You have to say your tea is like a h
It's like I've learned it's not tube.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Tube. I know tube.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I can speak in a British accent.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It just feels wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I'm British.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not going to do a Canadian accent in it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
But yo, let me hear you know my Canadiac is
basically based off Jenney in it. You're beyond bro Buddy,
Big Love Man, Big Love you and Leamington Spa, Leamington Lemming.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's he's gonna see.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
That's how he talks, like voices your buddy, like it's
a nice day in the pandeo, I'm in England.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And then he talks and job is good and I'm
not going to try and speak job.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You're not gonna try and speak job. Guys. The person
that is when we turn the cameras on is a
completely different verse.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
You're looking at the goal for these animals can't take
a joke and lion don't concern himself for ford, solf,
for sheep, so ship.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
You're listening to Ruckus Avenue Radio Avenue available now on
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Speaker 3 (18:02):
From the farm.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Big I have Yah has been here to vouch shout
out yes, yeah, she can really helped. She's heard a
vouch that he was singing. He was.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, of course you know what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I do know, but he was. He was just doing
all of it. Now he's like, uh, I won't soon
because I want soon.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You know what it is, because because singing is your
correct Like people know me in person, there's a difference.
It's all me. But I'm more thought critique it's real.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
It's actually quite an interesting thing because because I'm more thoughtful,
more aware that there's a camera, and it's like there's
a responsibility with people, Like little kids follow me, like
their parents talk to me. So if I'm just being
our swords, just chatting to people and not thinking about
the effect that might have, I think that's quite dangerous.
(19:07):
The reason I don't sing is because there's real singers
out there. You've got respect that I respect that art
from so much, like I respect music so much that
if you're not learning properly and doing it and at
a good level, you should, you know, you should just
kind of leave it alone, really, because there's real stards
out here, Like there's real man's who are dangerous and
(19:28):
they spend their whole life perfecting that art form, you know,
same with like doll or doubla whatever it is by
any Tom Dick can Harry nowadays just grabs a doll
and adully in it. I've seen Bazz. He's Adulty from
West London. He said some dad came up to him
and goes, oh.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
My son mastered the doll in a year. Yeah, he
was like twenty years deep.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Ierster and even scratch the surface, because we need to
respect our sergeant, like respect music and respect it to
the level where it's like, yeah, you just singing for jokes.
It's jokes in it. But I'm not going to that
on record right now. If I ever do that, I would,
because of practice, have.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Become like, yeah, well, where did like all the creativity start? Like,
were you always creative as a kid?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I think I was allowed to be me as much
as they see. Parents in the environment I was in
allowed me to be. They allowed me to be quite
a lot. Yeah, I don't know about you, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Okay, So wait, hold up, you were born and raised
in the UK.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, so are my parents.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well that's the difference. My parents weren't. And I realized
the more I talk to people who are like second
third generation, there's a huge difference in the way that
I was raised versus the way that you guys were raised,
Like you were very much allowed to be yourself because
I think there was a little bit less stress on
your parents. I'm sure they have their stress, but like
(20:45):
I think with my parents, immigrating was really hard for them.
And the thing is that technically I immigrated with them,
so I was four. I was born in.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
India beyond the you must know like punjabby I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Being serious, like I know, decent jump because my English
at four was pretty impeccable. If I moved, I think
I'd be able to be like.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
My English was one hundred percent not impeccable. Everybody made
sure I knew it. You know, it's so funny. So basically,
my dad moved to Canada two years before my My
my dad moved to Canada two years before me. My
brother and my mom did so when we were there,
that's when I had started school. So when he left,
(21:34):
I hadn't started school yet. Right, Yes, at home we
spoke Unjubby. So I spoke Un Jubbi when he left.
And then when it was finally time for us to
go over, I had. I had gone to school. And
in school they speak Hindi and they teach you Hindi.
They don't.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But where's school? Where's that? Where's home?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
My parents lived in Juenderguard because like my dad used
to work in the shed.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's because you're from Jendi Guard.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
No, it doesn't matter. Actually, there's a lot that's actually
a problem in Punjab where a lot of the schools.
They don't teach Punjabbie.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
In it depends yeah, I don't know. Of course they
speak it. It's about teaching it in schools.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Okay, yeah, school, But in gender God is going to
be like, oh yeah, because that's union territory as well.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Technically not like yeah, job only or whatever. So I
spoke Hindy and so when I got to Canada, my
dad was like, not my kid, yeah, big uncle, He's like,
you're funny. So he sent me to the Spanjabbies. Me
and my brother. You sent us to the Spanjabbi school
in the basement. It's the basement of like this, like
(22:44):
Indian clothes clothing shop.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Every language is equal in it, so we should respect
to all languages. But I'm trying to learn proper punjab
be like because my pronunciation and they I think Jardin
is just whack nana ba bah.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's all not like it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It isn't.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Almost my my istory ling bullying is all wrong as well,
So I'm trying to learn. I used to be more
embarrassed about it. I think it should probably try and
speak more openly. About learning Punjabbi in Canada, I think
you tell me if I'm wrong. The level of pn
jubb is a lot better because, like you mentioned, a
lot of people are first generation.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
In England.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Your level of Punjabbi that you see just walking around
in Southward it is a bit different. There's a lot
first generation. But in Coventry, Birmingham, Leamington it's so poor
that you know, people will really laud you and applaud
you and say, wow, your punjabbi is really good when
it's really not.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And that's I think that's a really big problem.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know, if you can speak a little bit of
punjabb being talk and you know, get by and you
can talk to you ba ba whatever, people will be like, wow,
you beyond their Yeah, And really you don't because if
you've read a newspaper or you really got into the
nitty gritty and you listen to some monarch and stuff,
you ain't got a clue what monarch's talking about.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Shina was talking about.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Definitely ain't got a clue what j Gila was talking
about with the kind of double meanings and I mean serious,
like you ain't got a clue. So so we're not
that good up in Jubby. It's just because everyone else
is pretty poor. And I don't mean obviously not everyone.
You know, there's some first second, third generation people who
are like wicked, yeah, but it is the level on
average I think in the UK is pretty poor. And
(24:30):
if you could read the Jubby, people really think you're special.
But it's just sad. Really, I think.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Honestly, I think it's really really good that you're learning,
like that's that's great, that's amazing, and I agree with you.
I think the problem that I've noticed, thank you don't
want to know, but I think the problem that I've
noticed is that there's a lot of shame around not
knowing it. Yeah right, there's kids that I know, or
(24:57):
like my age kids whatever, who when they were younger,
they didn't know how to speak Unjabi properly, and when
they try, everyone would like make fun of them or
like make a joke about it, and that's very discouraging
and that makes it really difficult for someone to want
to go and learn. So I think that attitude needs
to be addressed, because if we want more people to
(25:18):
learn Punjabi, we got to make an environment where they
can make mistakes. Because you're not going to learn if
you don't feel a couple hundred times.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, I agree. I think I'm guilty of that as well.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Again, it's probably like an ego thing like, oh, the
Appunjab is worse than mine, so you feel more secure
in your open Jabi, especially growing up. And I think
part part of it is, you know, people probably laugh
at my Opunjabi as well, like it is quite funny
if someone like, if you're really good at a language
and somebody's a fully grown man with a big daddy
and they can't say words properly, it's kind of funny
(25:48):
to another grown person. I do understand it. Yeah, it
just sounds funny. Yeah, sounds goofy.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's normal, like you would do that language. People do
that with people that aren't native English speakers.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, And I think we need be conscious as a
whole community to try not to put people down because
we're not.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I don't think a lot of people do with my list.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yes, they just they just think it's funny and they
don't realize but you know, I was trying to learn.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
We should probably encourage him and say no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Especially especially kids. Because the thing about a kid is
like as soon as they understand one time that they're
going to be shamed for something or ridiculed for it,
they're never going to do it again.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
The worst. Oh yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
They they love like you know, yeah, they're just say
it to your face like they think you're an idiot. Yeah,
they just look at you disgusted.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Like yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
When I went back, people here like you or like
other people that have met like second third generation, my
job is not amazing, like there's definitely way better, but
like you guys will tell me that is good. Right
when I go back, my touch is like laughing at
me the whole my touch, both of them dying, and
I'm like I thought I was.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, and I think there's levels to everything, absolutely and
even like so my mum's ben jabb. A lot of
people say it's really good, Like BIBD will say about mom,
Your mom sounds like she's from ping job, but mom's been.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Job by baiting out my mom here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Like mum will understand like a monarch song necessarily because
the words they're not they're not used to using them
day to day.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
There's even a limit there, whereas if mum was pimp
and job.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Obviously she'd know because they'd be around it all the
time exactly. So like just like we know the slang,
the different nuances, the context, because we're from well we're
from the West, we'd understand.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Buddy, you gotta nice it. You've got to pack that
inne is. That's the thing right now, is it? They're
nisy bro buddy, big up the beat as well. He's
kind of he's just my guy in it, okay. And
Alex he's from Canada's all right, well, Gordia shadow Alex, Alex. Yeah,
(28:08):
I need to actually need to go kind of see
these people.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, what what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It's far, it's cold, so why would I leave here cold?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Or TV Tanda?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, and you're so much closer to Europe, you can
just go.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You've been around Europe. Yeah, let's do context.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yes, context.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You came to England yesterday noon, Yes I did, and
now you're here. Now I'm here, booked out the studio yourself.
Our zero help is useless. This's my area. And you
were in Italy before.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yes, I've been doing a little Europe tour. I was
south of France, Paris, Venice, Rome and then a Malfi.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Oh wow, Yeah, it's favorite.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Favorite from this trip.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, London.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's only been my second day in London, probably Rome
or a Malfi. I'm honestly Malfie.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You went to Paris, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I've been to Paris, Okay. I actually like I was
an extended French So you can speak French pretty pretty decently.
Yeah I can. I can pretty decently speak French. So
it's like when I go to Paris, I feel very comfortable.
I can like generally understand what people are saying, communicate
pretty well, not amazingly. I still suck, you know, according
to their standard, but like it's fine. When I go
(29:24):
to Italy, I know nothing. Okay, yeah, no Italian.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But you didn't say Paris is one of your highlights.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Said this trip? See you mean like of all time?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
No, No, I didn't realize you'd been.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
To Paris and this is my second time in London.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Okay, So where does London sit in Europe in terms
of places you've been?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
London's always going to be special for me because it
holds so much sick history and heritage, and I always
do it at the end of my Europe trips because
I feel homesick. Okay, so the first thing I do
when I come to London is I go to the shroom.
Yeah fah yeah, and I go and eat some.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Brown food, pick up some reed. He works with the
shum He just like videos for them.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
There's some reason I got he did my first music video,
second music video.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
First, we can't stay on tarbag.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We got to talk about it's my fault. Go back.
He was talking about dishume. You go to the shoot.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
We were talking about you and being younger and like
how your parents let you be yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh yeah they did.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Are we going to go back to that now, because
I'm quite interested in.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well finished, Just wrap this up. When I came to
London last time, that's the first time I came to London.
I didn't do any of the basic stuff. I did
not do the London. I I didn't see the bridge.
I didn't go see Buckingham the Bridge, the bridge, the
London Bridge. It's not falling Tower Bridge.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Tower bridges is the pretty one.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, here is the London Bridge.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah the Tower Bridge. No, No, London Bridges.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
The London Bridge is the one you stand on to
look at the Tower Bridge.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Ah yeah yeah, yeah, all right, buddy, that's all you feel.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's not even that's not even that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Lost a love man, love you by love you, Sully
Dog of Canada does.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He was the most garden. So like, I didn't do
any of those things. What I did was I came here.
I went to the Victoria Albert Museum and I went
to go see Modjo's good. Yeah yeah, and then I
went to go see there's a different museum where his
I went there, and then I went to South Hall okay,
(31:39):
yeah cool, And I just hung out in South Hall.
I just did everything that makes me feel at home.
And so for I feel like London for me is
like always going to be special because like I just
come here and I feel like quite lovely. I also
feel like this it mirrors Canada because first of all,
we're a British Commonwealth country, yes yeah, And second of all,
(32:01):
it's cold, so it's just like when the plane doors opened,
you know, you can like smell cold. Cold has a smell. Okay,
I smelled it and I was like, this feels comforting.
It feels like home because it just smells cold. It's cold.
It has a bunch of brown people.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, and and black people.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Diverse like Toronto, a lot of diversity, yeah yeah, which
is why.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think the music cultures in Toronto and London are
often intertwined. And it's like North Side Benji, who's a rapper,
I believe from Toronto sides. He experienced a lot of
love from England first before North America, I believe.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Anyway, Where's where do you stand on Drake Drake?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Okay, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
My first concert I went to that wasn't like community
whatever was Kendrick twenty seventeen down Tour.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The second the second concert I went to was Drake.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And Drake is an artist who I grew with from
like twenty ten onwards. One of my mates he put
me onto Drake when he was in year six and
then I really got into rap music because of my
mate H and his USB had a USB with like
a couple hundred songs on it. Kendrick was on their
Mad City Drake, A lot of Drake was on their stuff,
(33:18):
like Up All Night with Nicki Minaj, and there was Kanye.
There was loads of differents on this little USB. Shout
out H's USB that that changed my music life changed
my life, probably because I don't know if I would
have been inter wrapped the same way without that introduction.
And we used to listen to Asap Rocky, then we
(33:40):
moved more year eighty nine into like nine's Jayha, Skepta
and all the UK man's and really, I need to
apologize that I'm so like not alert. I'm so tired
from this week. I think Drake makes hits, makes bangers,
but unfortunately I think a lot of inauthenticity is present
within his persona that wasn't necessarily there when he first
(34:04):
started and was more vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That sort of thing that's inevitable. That's any artist. They're
going to develop, like you can expect an artist whose
life goes from living a normal life like us to
touring and all these things to be in touch with
what you're in touch with.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Nistic.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
He's not telling us. He used to tell us his
dog sok. And now I think he's not being honest.
I think he's got what is he not being honest about.
He doesn't have to Okay, let's actually be honest. He
didn't have to be honest. I just don't know you
anything he can be whatever the hell he wants to be.
I don't think he is delivering what he used to deliver.
(34:48):
He used to be more vulnerable and open on songs,
and now it feels like this gangster facade, which he
didn't have as much of before.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He had some.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Bravado, but it was not on the level it is now.
It's a bit different now, but I still think the
output he puts out, a lot of the hits he's
got just solid. They just his run has been incredible
and he is such a big part of my teenage
years in my twenties as well. It's almost like you
can't really the other stuff they did, the allegations, all
(35:20):
that that's completely separate musically, I think you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's undeniable. And say, but to me, the same Kendrick,
same days of Rookie.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They shaped my life, Nines, Jaha, Skepta, pot of Paper,
They've shaped my life. So it's like, how can you
You can't really choose between people that have soundtracked your life.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, and you don't need to choose. I'm not on
the whole like, oh Kendrick versus Drake kind of thing.
I just think Europeans have a like they're either really
they love Drake or they really don't like.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
London loves Drake.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah, London loves Drake's there's no debate around that London
has loved Drake. And Drake showed love to artists like
our dads very early on, who are sneak Bow very
early on. You know, these are people that the Americans
don't know about, the North Americans don't know about. And
Drake clearly does have an appreciation for UK music and
(36:11):
an appreciation for dance hall and different things that he
has been caught in some sort of vulture allegations and
things like that, but he does have an appreciation.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You can see that. It's documented.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I would say that that's just his personality, like he
is very he will he puts everybody on.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I'm waiting for that our tune. Man, when's when's Drake
dropping the Chue McCarten?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's what we need.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I know. My brother and I talk about this a
lot about how by now we would have had a
sid doing Drake.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, we would.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
It was getting there. It was I swear they were
in talks like he was getting there and that's really unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But it wasn't meant to happen. It didn't happen. That's
just that is life.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
That is how I believe the world works, such as life. Yeah,
not genuinely.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, let's get back to being creative. Said you
were just allowed to be yourself.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, it just be myself. I was allowed to, within
boundaries explore what I wanted to. So I was making
rape music from twelve torop, my first song. I think
I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Really, yeah, answer where is it sound good?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I don't know if it's there anymore?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Can we can I answer it?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Maybe yeah we could because we'll see even like things
like and it sounds silly, but I wanted to take.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
English literature at a level.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So what's a level?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Sixteen seventeen?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Okay, so that's like right before university. University you guys
call it university here, yeah, okay, yeah, so do we Americans?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Okay? Cool?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, So I took English Lit, maths, and physics. So
I know some diseas would be like, no, take more
stem kind of subjects instead of English Lit and become
something else. I'm a lawyer, so it's not like, you know,
they'd be disappointed if they were traditional anyway. But I
think just not having that pressure almost meant that me
and my brother and we were going to be stable
(37:59):
and do well, because it's like, if your parents don't
put that pressure on you, you'll naturally understand. I think
maybe we did. I think that you need to work
hard and do well, and the career paths we've chosen
kind of lend themselves to that. So yeah, not pressuring
your kids and making them just are you doing your best?
(38:21):
Is kind of where we were at with our parents.
Are you doing your best? And we'd be like yeah,
and they know it. They did, look, and you know,
we're working hard. I worked really hard in school, worked
really hard, work decently hard in UNI, and then after
I've worked really hard.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
It's a trust. You trust your kids. My parents trusted us.
I made loads of mistakes. Some they know about something
they will never find out about what we're probably watching
this watch everything I do. But that's good.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
I think Mom said to me once she was in
the car with me, and she was saying, look, I
think it's good for your kids to do things that
you don't know about and break the rules.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And I agree.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I think to an extent. As long as a lot
i'm safe, I'm here. Yeah, and I was allowed to
push the boundaries or I did push the boundaries.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So you started rapping right, And then when did you
get into the jumping sirculated context.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Oh yeah, you're listening to rockers Avenue Radio, the world's
most listened to South Asian radio and podcast network.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, just starts out of a brown lub Mama pena
called back Street Killer.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
If you're Matella, you're following the lead on the sign
when it's a.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Bugger brown gisers to chin show.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
There's a gift from the holder's real slicks Dolgiers system
from Hols.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
There's no man takes, no want to be Dolgers.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
My cats slip back to the que lack of hoster
that does.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
The back of the rope.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
But I can't be my face.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
I'm the king at the whole crashes like if that's
the soaker the same time to me, maybe you won't
tell it sober.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Yeah, yeah, then it's back to business.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Can't tell me that and I'll break the hinges. What's
a closed door to a king?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
And mystic Sofieu's thing mixed with kiss the ring thing
done of England.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Put a bullet in my brain. And I die as
a martyr. It's the last ride, and he clips in
the car park. I take the trip with the flicks.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
Of the sitter words on my lips are the type.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
But when it brings us to the gallows everything, these
(41:39):
men say, you're gonna sound so hollow. Simon said, So
my man follows, and I can't.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Help but feel so power my options.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
You know, some narrow can't process the sharks and shallows
that I see. Start when I'm in the shadows. My
story start only the Harold taking a high road, hands
on a bible for me because I'm gripping.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
A rifle, filling the tycle, breaking the.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Cycle, can't keep down with the papers and tiles Amazon
before arrival. I'm pretend because you're reliable if I pat
the more because my folks praise the man sold the
color of those like he proves to me this where
we played your red luggas brod season.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
They take us for no clear reason. Rocks and hard
place this we be and got that boots.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
From my hus beaten my right rat race, run the
souls an illusion time and improving. Everybody's loosing that's their shoes,
and stay cruising because reality is loosing us, abusing life
and improve and I know who's confused in the name
of students with learning is burning and the fires don't
say comfortably the metal of the place that actually lost,
(42:39):
and they don't come back with God is gone.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And my left with strat and everybody's don't want to
chase for that. I was on the blow and the
playing for.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Food was the ebody Ain't got shoes proposing the blow,
and the playing for food was the eybody Ain't got shoes.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Race Run.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
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Speaker 4 (43:04):
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Hey, guys, welcome to Jickney. I'm your host Purblane. If
you're interested in Pinjubby and sick related content, you might
know this week's guest Bant Dellon from London Town. Prepare
to be sick of my British accent and bands Canadian accent.
Oh my god, you guys are not ready for this.
We definitely get into the UK versus Canadian Panjeppi's debate.
(00:20):
What I love about band is how dimensional he is.
Like we can go from shooting shit bantering to deep
conversations about the sik Kudus or Bunjubi folk music. He's
quite wise. I forget that he's younger than me. Sometimes
I learned a lot. He gave great advice about content
creation and keeping yourself accountable. You guys are in for
two chaotic and intriguing episodes, so let's get right into
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part one.
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Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's recording right now.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, big up, Yasmin yes.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Man, Welcome to jerny Wait is your first name beyond Beyond?
That's it, but your Instagram is beyond.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Still yeah, basically mindscrams beyond sell that's my name saying,
but I used to have well, I still I'm a rapper.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Are you yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
He told me this. He told me that, so.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I started off if they can't called beyond the artist.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Or aren't you supposed to do something you're supposed to
because I'm probably in camboge and you're.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Hello, what I'm saying it wrong? Now I'm getting confused
by name.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He was chatting so much ship before we started recording,
and now he's becoming like, I'm such.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
A good You're jumping the whole thing because your proba.
I thought you were called prop common because prob come yeah,
but I'm probably And then I said borge like yeah,
and then I spoke about how I'm at Yellow, so
I'm at yat but with them saying who is comboge
is mentioned in? But they are there, which is sang
(02:10):
By at the cart And I'm not I'm not going
to sing it much.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm not serious. Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Dead? A're so like saying it maybe one day like
in a few years. He was singing so.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Much before this he actually wouldn't stop singing.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Sometimes again welcome to Jackney. I feel like we should start
the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
We'll cut up everything.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We're in London town.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, I'm in your ends.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, so sort of where did you say you're from?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Lemington Spa? Royal Lemington Spa?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
What is where is that?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
That is near? Commentary? Which is near Birmingham? You know
I'm in.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Hair Peaky for camp Blind.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yes, Birmingham, but Lemington's forty minutes away. It's his own thing,
you know. And are ground shaker?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, no, I don't. You don't know how man, So
we've realized that there's oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
He's from he's from Lemington Spa. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I don't know their names.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Fair Yeah the song it's not fair. No, it's absolutely
not fair. You're right, you're right. I should. My parents
were too busy teaching me about.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And I was a kid, you know, did sore mine?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That's why you know all this?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
No, I don't know a lot. No, So your find
your family, I think. Yeah, obviously every family is different.
Some families I feel like just prioritize siki quite a lot. Yeah,
and they're not that on the Punjabi side. And I
feel like a family that was more on that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah mine too, Yeah yeah, which is.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Some families the other way around.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
But they're like they don't teach a lot sicky, but
they don't put the culture.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah. But if you think about it, both of us
we like are really into the Punjabi culture.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, so it's like we found our way to it.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, I think, you know, it's quite controversial. I think
the two cultures obviously don't have to be Punjabi to
be a sick. But from when God DVD comes on
earth to Punjab, we'd say, like was from that moment,
Punjabi culture it shifts entirely if we believe our sex
that guru sab which we do believe is and God
(04:22):
is God.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Is one, is that one energy is one ess? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Do you not think that the land that all the
gurus were kind of mostly residing in and Gorbin Sin
was in button house side and stuff. But do you
not think that then affects the whole culture, the whole zeitgeist,
the whole that landscape. I think it does to an
extent that Punjabi culture then is changed like forever and
becomes intertwined with siki where Siki you don't have to
(04:49):
be Punjabi, but Punjabi culture, especially on on on our
India side, is very much influenced by Siki to an
extent where it informs the culture and that artomic wave
that not even like the Baghdi tradition Sufism, which are
more aligned with that understanding ek on God, that way
of thinking which is more Lasiki is so prevalent in
(05:11):
Punjab and that is intertwined with the culture like bulletsh
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
They don't go against Ski, right, that's all in line.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, But I feel like you could say the same
essentially about any major religion in Punjab, like it wouldn't
be what it is without Moguls, it wouldn't be what
it is without Hindus. It is.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But that's why I mentioned Sufism and the bug of
the movement. I think not to cut you off with
the Mguls. The Muguls had quite a conservative view of
an important view. It wasn't native to the land, is
what I think. And that conservative native view what.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You're saying, like, I agree with what you're saying. Yes,
I don't mean that the Muguls are influencing Punjabi culture
in the way that Sikhism has. They've influenced it in
a different way. I think it's mainly in like the
aesthetics around Punjabi culture. They've influenced it way more in
terms of fashion things like that. They have a lot
more influence. I don't think that their influence comes from
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the ethics.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, the expiraitual Okay, I'm with you, I'm with you.
I'm with you. I'm with you hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Their influence on the art, the miniatures, the paintings especially,
and that's something I can't talk about. You can talk
about the fashion probably more. Even the architecture, the gormouth
we have and stuff like that. Months traditionally have I
forgot what it's called now, No, it's not a dome, right,
Whereas we've taken that mogular kind of inspiration from what
I know that comes from aligning yourself with the powers
(06:36):
of the time, to put yourself on that level for
sovereignty purposes.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, this is the perfect segue because we were going
to talk about the salidop. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So
I was doing some research on it. Essentially, the salidop
was worn by the first five groups. Yeah, right, starting
with Dave j. Of course, by the time we got
to Guru Hardgobbin, that's where he decided to not wear
(07:02):
the Sealidopi and he decided to opt for something that
was considered more mogul at the time, which was now
with the Star. But because it was because he wanted
to take arms and he needed way more protection obviously
for his head than offer. Yeah, and a S was
made out of self. It was really light, right, It's
(07:22):
not really going to give you as much protection versus
the Star is going to be a little bit better
in battle easy.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, so I knew the Spy was eventually phased out.
And think this is based on like s Pregas and
different kind of grants that talk about and also depict
I think it's like old Brad Then kind of paintings that.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Like Jen Msakis definitely have a lot of depictions of
the selidopy.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I didn't know the reasoning behind it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And I guess any historian's looking back, they're probably trying
to assess figure it out, and there's probably competing views
about why that change took place.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, that's what I found from my research, And then
I was trying to look I'm like, okay, so why
was the sealidop adopted in the first place, And it
was because it was considered a spiritual kind of symbol.
A lot of sadoos or saddus I think so you
call them or just like spiritual leaders sufi's they used
to wear them. So that's why go Dag I guess
adopted it because that's essentially how he probably viewed himself
(08:25):
and that was the basis of siki until the sixth
Gurdu where it started becoming like taking arms was the thing,
and it was like Marshal, I.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Think they were building. From my understanding, they were building
towards something. Each gourda was furthering this movement. Yeah, so
gurn dv G was Marshal because we know that the
early go they had like a karti where they were
doing wrestling and stuff, so they had that marshal element.
(08:54):
But they were basically, from what I can tell, kind
of engaging stake craft, state building, and it takes time
for that to materialize into what we know as armies.
Because early gurus I think good Aamdust you know, people
can correct me in the comments. Whatever was they were
acquiring like horses and things like that, and horses are
(09:15):
there for mobilization, for militaristic purposes and for other purposes
as well. A lot of the Guru's kind of founded
cities as well, So they were creating their own sovereign
territories within South Asia, ben Jab and surrounding areas. And
that was a building upon from what the last Guru did.
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Took kind of that time to build a movement and
build a nation state in loose.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Terms, I think what he was trying to do by
opting for the start over this alidopy, which is like still,
I don't know this is confirmed. This is just if
we're going off of that hypothesis. Yeah, it was because
he wanted to build an army. And I always think
about this in Secure when they talk about when you're
living in a society, you kind of you have to
be a part of it, right, and you have to
(10:02):
kind of go by it. And at that time, if
you wanted to take arms and you wanted to have
an army, and you wanted to you know, be able
to defend yourself and go into battle, there were certain
things that you just kind of had to do, and
I think one of those was adopting at.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The start maybe.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, we know that in sick tradition, mirroring power like
we saw with the Munji system, where you align yourself
with what the sovereign is doing at that time. Yeah,
is a technique and an institution that was in build.
So they would do they would, for want of a
better word, mimic existing power structures to put themselves and
(10:38):
to assert their own sovereignty.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So a good example of that in the UK would be,
let's say, if you wanted some sort of sovereignty, a
sick kind of sovereignty, you would institute and institutionalized, rather
and cement your hierarchy based on the existing UK government.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So you may have something like a prime minister. Happened
here at times.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I think in their outward pursuit of worldly power and sovereignty,
the gorm would adopt existing power structures and that just
only makes sense that that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
One another thing I wanted to talk about because I
just feel like we need to give this its flowers
is band scanned her? Oh yeah, please give the camera
a nice lug.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I don't really wear the gold one. In fact, I
brought it because I'm at work. When I was at
work today, finished quite.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Late, and he brought it to make sure that you
guys could see.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I was like, I was like, I'm dressed in a suit.
I look really naked because I've had like a long week.
And I thought, let me, let me add a bit
of bianp to the podcast, because if I'm wearing a suit
and I'm just boring, like it's a boring fit.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's a nice suit. My mate made. It is from Thailand.
It's called a big If you want.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
To suit anywhere the plang please.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Basically, I'll go to this sec UCL Sex Society event
and I meet my maid Big and I say, your
suit is really like fits really nicely. It's a really
nice suit. Where did you get it from? And he
opens it up and that gaming of the calendar the chaos,
not the condaes. My family was My family are Taylor's
(12:25):
in Bangkok? So I got two made from him. And
then I went to another event, another thing I know
from like the London City kind of network I've got.
I say, your suit's really nice. Where'd you get it from?
Same place? Same place?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
He goes, Yeah, from my same friend.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Because we all know each other, Like in London, there's
a lot of sayings and each other in Central. So
if I think if you work Central at a law firm,
at a consultancy, a bank finance, a lot of us
kind of network between age groups. So like i'd say, like,
obviously I don't know everybody, but I know a lot
of the sayings and the gods who are between like
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twenty two twenty six working in the city doing similar
things to what I do, like commercial law or like banking, finance,
whatever it is, because we try and create a community, yeah,
and help each other out as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah. Which, by the way, if people don't know, then it's.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
A lawyer, yeah, trainee, trainee, trainee slister. I feel like
for legal reasons, I need to say that I can't
just say I'm a lawyer, although lawyer is not a
protected term, so anyone can call themselves a lawyer in
the UK, like you could turn around to say I'm
a lawyer, So be careful because I'm sure people do that.
People like if you're a paralegal, you're a lawyer. If
you're a secretary or a lawyer, if you're a receptionist,
(13:43):
you're a lawyer. Technically, if you do anything legally related,
you can say you're a lawyer. If you don't do
anything legally related, you could still say you're a lawyer.
It's not protected.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Wild So you're training to be a lawyer. Yeah, you
create Bunjavi and sick content and more.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I started making concay about books. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, I've got a video coming about Emins chocolate that
I like.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, nice, you're a rapper, yes, yeah, well, how do
you have time for all of this?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It seems like a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It is a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I think my hobbies are quite public. You probably relate
to this as well, someone who makes content. Yeah, there's
something probably to be said for that from like genuinely
from like introspection, ego kind of place, if you kind
of analyze it. Why are all my hobbies quite you know,
putting myself out there trying to, what you could say,
try and get validation.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
That's a fair critique.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, Granted, lawyer isn't public, but I do publicize it
because it's good for your career with Lincoln and things
like that. So people are aware of that being something
I do. I think other people have hobbies, but they're
not public. So if you, you know, if you kickball
every week with a couple hours with your friends, I
(14:56):
might make a video or make three videos in that
two hours and edit them.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, now I look like I'm.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Super busy, but you're also busy because you play football
with your boys for two hours. Other than the content creation,
the music and the other things I do are quite
social anyway, so I'm doing them with my friends, so
it's not I'm not as busy as it seems with
the job. I'm a lot more busy. Before that, I
was studying, and I was busy then as well. But
(15:23):
I think that's no more than anyone else who's in
his career in the city. You're in tech, you should
tell people that as well. Software engineers pretty mad?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Software developer? Software developer engineer is a protected term.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Is it okay? Crazy?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You need a ring? The ring?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I don't even know if you're being serious.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'm so serious. So there's like the steel ring that
engineers get and you're part of the Engineering Association. I'm
so serious.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
This is a North American thing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's a it's a Canadian thing.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
What is it with America? Because you when you win
the NBA, you don't get a medal. What do you get?
You get a ring? Right, say, with the NFL, you
get a ring? Yeah? Yeah, what is it with you? Rings?
And we just have them for like marriage? You like ringing?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, maybe that's more of an American thing because there's
only one Canadian basketball team and that's wrapped Toronto.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
You're from Brampton, yeah, which is like two hours from.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
No, No, it depends what part of Brampton you're from.
If you're closer to Toronto, it's like thirty minute thirty
really oh yeah yeah yeah, it makes it worse. You
should come.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I would like to go.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The transit system sucks. It's really not as good as
it is here. It's yeah, here, it's amazing. I love
the tube.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, tube tube.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You have to say your tea is like a h
It's like I've learned it's not tube.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Tube. I know tube.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I can speak in a British accent.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It just feels wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I'm British.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not going to do a Canadian accent in it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
But yo, let me hear you know my Canadiac is
basically based off Jenney in it. You're beyond bro Buddy,
Big Love Man, Big Love you and Leamington Spa, Leamington Lemming.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's he's gonna see.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
That's how he talks, like voices your buddy, like it's
a nice day in the pandeo, I'm in England.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And then he talks and job is good and I'm
not going to try and speak job.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You're not gonna try and speak job. Guys. The person
that is when we turn the cameras on is a
completely different verse.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
You're looking at the goal for these animals can't take
a joke and lion don't concern himself for ford, solf,
for sheep, so ship.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
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Speaker 3 (18:02):
From the farm.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Big I have Yah has been here to vouch shout
out yes, yeah, she can really helped. She's heard a
vouch that he was singing. He was.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, of course you know what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I do know, but he was. He was just doing
all of it. Now he's like, uh, I won't soon
because I want soon.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You know what it is, because because singing is your
correct Like people know me in person, there's a difference.
It's all me. But I'm more thought critique it's real.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
It's actually quite an interesting thing because because I'm more thoughtful,
more aware that there's a camera, and it's like there's
a responsibility with people, Like little kids follow me, like
their parents talk to me. So if I'm just being
our swords, just chatting to people and not thinking about
the effect that might have, I think that's quite dangerous.
(19:07):
The reason I don't sing is because there's real singers
out there. You've got respect that I respect that art
from so much, like I respect music so much that
if you're not learning properly and doing it and at
a good level, you should, you know, you should just
kind of leave it alone, really, because there's real stards
out here, Like there's real man's who are dangerous and
(19:28):
they spend their whole life perfecting that art form, you know,
same with like doll or doubla whatever it is by
any Tom Dick can Harry nowadays just grabs a doll
and adully in it. I've seen Bazz. He's Adulty from
West London. He said some dad came up to him
and goes, oh.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
My son mastered the doll in a year. Yeah, he
was like twenty years deep.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Ierster and even scratch the surface, because we need to
respect our sergeant, like respect music and respect it to
the level where it's like, yeah, you just singing for jokes.
It's jokes in it. But I'm not going to that
on record right now. If I ever do that, I would,
because of practice, have.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Become like, yeah, well, where did like all the creativity start? Like,
were you always creative as a kid?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think so.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I think I was allowed to be me as much
as they see. Parents in the environment I was in
allowed me to be. They allowed me to be quite
a lot. Yeah, I don't know about you, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Okay, So wait, hold up, you were born and raised
in the UK.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, so are my parents.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well that's the difference. My parents weren't. And I realized
the more I talk to people who are like second
third generation, there's a huge difference in the way that
I was raised versus the way that you guys were raised,
Like you were very much allowed to be yourself because
I think there was a little bit less stress on
your parents. I'm sure they have their stress, but like
(20:45):
I think with my parents, immigrating was really hard for them.
And the thing is that technically I immigrated with them,
so I was four. I was born in.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
India beyond the you must know like punjabby I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Being serious, like I know, decent jump because my English
at four was pretty impeccable. If I moved, I think
I'd be able to be like.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
My English was one hundred percent not impeccable. Everybody made
sure I knew it. You know, it's so funny. So basically,
my dad moved to Canada two years before my My
my dad moved to Canada two years before me. My
brother and my mom did so when we were there,
that's when I had started school. So when he left,
(21:34):
I hadn't started school yet. Right, Yes, at home we
spoke Unjubby. So I spoke Un Jubbi when he left.
And then when it was finally time for us to
go over, I had. I had gone to school. And
in school they speak Hindi and they teach you Hindi.
They don't.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But where's school? Where's that? Where's home?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
My parents lived in Juenderguard because like my dad used
to work in the shed.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's because you're from Jendi Guard.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
No, it doesn't matter. Actually, there's a lot that's actually
a problem in Punjab where a lot of the schools.
They don't teach Punjabbie.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
In it depends yeah, I don't know. Of course they
speak it. It's about teaching it in schools.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Okay, yeah, school, But in gender God is going to
be like, oh yeah, because that's union territory as well.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Technically not like yeah, job only or whatever. So I
spoke Hindy and so when I got to Canada, my
dad was like, not my kid, yeah, big uncle, He's like,
you're funny. So he sent me to the Spanjabbies. Me
and my brother. You sent us to the Spanjabbi school
in the basement. It's the basement of like this, like
(22:44):
Indian clothes clothing shop.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Every language is equal in it, so we should respect
to all languages. But I'm trying to learn proper punjab
be like because my pronunciation and they I think Jardin
is just whack nana ba bah.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's all not like it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It isn't.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Almost my my istory ling bullying is all wrong as well,
So I'm trying to learn. I used to be more
embarrassed about it. I think it should probably try and
speak more openly. About learning Punjabbi in Canada, I think
you tell me if I'm wrong. The level of pn
jubb is a lot better because, like you mentioned, a
lot of people are first generation.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
In England.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Your level of Punjabbi that you see just walking around
in Southward it is a bit different. There's a lot
first generation. But in Coventry, Birmingham, Leamington it's so poor
that you know, people will really laud you and applaud
you and say, wow, your punjabbi is really good when
it's really not.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And that's I think that's a really big problem.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know, if you can speak a little bit of
punjabb being talk and you know, get by and you
can talk to you ba ba whatever, people will be like, wow,
you beyond their Yeah, And really you don't because if
you've read a newspaper or you really got into the
nitty gritty and you listen to some monarch and stuff,
you ain't got a clue what monarch's talking about.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Shina was talking about.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Definitely ain't got a clue what j Gila was talking
about with the kind of double meanings and I mean serious,
like you ain't got a clue. So so we're not
that good up in Jubby. It's just because everyone else
is pretty poor. And I don't mean obviously not everyone.
You know, there's some first second, third generation people who
are like wicked, yeah, but it is the level on
average I think in the UK is pretty poor. And
(24:30):
if you could read the Jubby, people really think you're special.
But it's just sad. Really, I think.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Honestly, I think it's really really good that you're learning,
like that's that's great, that's amazing, and I agree with you.
I think the problem that I've noticed, thank you don't
want to know, but I think the problem that I've
noticed is that there's a lot of shame around not
knowing it. Yeah right, there's kids that I know, or
(24:57):
like my age kids whatever, who when they were younger,
they didn't know how to speak Unjabi properly, and when
they try, everyone would like make fun of them or
like make a joke about it, and that's very discouraging
and that makes it really difficult for someone to want
to go and learn. So I think that attitude needs
to be addressed, because if we want more people to
(25:18):
learn Punjabi, we got to make an environment where they
can make mistakes. Because you're not going to learn if
you don't feel a couple hundred times.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, I agree. I think I'm guilty of that as well.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Again, it's probably like an ego thing like, oh, the
Appunjab is worse than mine, so you feel more secure
in your open Jabi, especially growing up. And I think
part part of it is, you know, people probably laugh
at my Opunjabi as well, like it is quite funny
if someone like, if you're really good at a language
and somebody's a fully grown man with a big daddy
and they can't say words properly, it's kind of funny
(25:48):
to another grown person. I do understand it. Yeah, it
just sounds funny. Yeah, sounds goofy.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's normal, like you would do that language. People do
that with people that aren't native English speakers.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, And I think we need be conscious as a
whole community to try not to put people down because
we're not.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I don't think a lot of people do with my list.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yes, they just they just think it's funny and they
don't realize but you know, I was trying to learn.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
We should probably encourage him and say no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Especially especially kids. Because the thing about a kid is
like as soon as they understand one time that they're
going to be shamed for something or ridiculed for it,
they're never going to do it again.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
The worst. Oh yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
They they love like you know, yeah, they're just say
it to your face like they think you're an idiot. Yeah,
they just look at you disgusted.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Like yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
When I went back, people here like you or like
other people that have met like second third generation, my
job is not amazing, like there's definitely way better, but
like you guys will tell me that is good. Right
when I go back, my touch is like laughing at
me the whole my touch, both of them dying, and
I'm like I thought I was.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, and I think there's levels to everything, absolutely and
even like so my mum's ben jabb. A lot of
people say it's really good, Like BIBD will say about mom,
Your mom sounds like she's from ping job, but mom's been.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Job by baiting out my mom here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Like mum will understand like a monarch song necessarily because
the words they're not they're not used to using them
day to day.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
There's even a limit there, whereas if mum was pimp
and job.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Obviously she'd know because they'd be around it all the
time exactly. So like just like we know the slang,
the different nuances, the context, because we're from well we're
from the West, we'd understand.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
That it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Buddy, you gotta nice it. You've got to pack that
inne is. That's the thing right now, is it? They're
nisy bro buddy, big up the beat as well. He's
kind of he's just my guy in it, okay. And
Alex he's from Canada's all right, well, Gordia shadow Alex, Alex. Yeah,
(28:08):
I need to actually need to go kind of see
these people.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, what what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
It's far, it's cold, so why would I leave here cold?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Or TV Tanda?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, and you're so much closer to Europe, you can
just go.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You've been around Europe. Yeah, let's do context.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yes, context.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
You came to England yesterday noon, Yes I did, and
now you're here. Now I'm here, booked out the studio yourself.
Our zero help is useless. This's my area. And you
were in Italy before.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yes, I've been doing a little Europe tour. I was
south of France, Paris, Venice, Rome and then a Malfi.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Oh wow, Yeah, it's favorite.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Favorite from this trip.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, London.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's only been my second day in London, probably Rome
or a Malfi. I'm honestly Malfie.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You went to Paris, right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I've been to Paris, Okay. I actually like I was
an extended French So you can speak French pretty pretty decently.
Yeah I can. I can pretty decently speak French. So
it's like when I go to Paris, I feel very comfortable.
I can like generally understand what people are saying, communicate
pretty well, not amazingly. I still suck, you know, according
to their standard, but like it's fine. When I go
(29:24):
to Italy, I know nothing. Okay, yeah, no Italian.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But you didn't say Paris is one of your highlights.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Said this trip? See you mean like of all time?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
No, No, I didn't realize you'd been.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
To Paris and this is my second time in London.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Okay, So where does London sit in Europe in terms
of places you've been?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
London's always going to be special for me because it
holds so much sick history and heritage, and I always
do it at the end of my Europe trips because
I feel homesick. Okay, so the first thing I do
when I come to London is I go to the shroom.
Yeah fah yeah, and I go and eat some.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Brown food, pick up some reed. He works with the
shum He just like videos for them.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
There's some reason I got he did my first music video,
second music video.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
First, we can't stay on tarbag.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
We got to talk about it's my fault. Go back.
He was talking about dishume. You go to the shoot.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
We were talking about you and being younger and like
how your parents let you be yourself.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Oh yeah they did.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Are we going to go back to that now, because
I'm quite interested in.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well finished, Just wrap this up. When I came to
London last time, that's the first time I came to London.
I didn't do any of the basic stuff. I did
not do the London. I I didn't see the bridge.
I didn't go see Buckingham the Bridge, the bridge, the
London Bridge. It's not falling Tower Bridge.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Tower bridges is the pretty one.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, here is the London Bridge.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah the Tower Bridge. No, No, London Bridges.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
The London Bridge is the one you stand on to
look at the Tower Bridge.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Ah yeah yeah, yeah, all right, buddy, that's all you feel.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That's not even that's not even that.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Lost a love man, love you by love you, Sully
Dog of Canada does.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He was the most garden. So like, I didn't do
any of those things. What I did was I came here.
I went to the Victoria Albert Museum and I went
to go see Modjo's good. Yeah yeah, and then I
went to go see there's a different museum where his
I went there, and then I went to South Hall okay,
(31:39):
yeah cool, And I just hung out in South Hall.
I just did everything that makes me feel at home.
And so for I feel like London for me is
like always going to be special because like I just
come here and I feel like quite lovely. I also
feel like this it mirrors Canada because first of all,
we're a British Commonwealth country, yes yeah, And second of all,
(32:01):
it's cold, so it's just like when the plane doors opened,
you know, you can like smell cold. Cold has a smell. Okay,
I smelled it and I was like, this feels comforting.
It feels like home because it just smells cold. It's cold.
It has a bunch of brown people.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, and and black people.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Diverse like Toronto, a lot of diversity, yeah yeah, which
is why.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think the music cultures in Toronto and London are
often intertwined. And it's like North Side Benji, who's a rapper,
I believe from Toronto sides. He experienced a lot of
love from England first before North America, I believe.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Anyway, Where's where do you stand on Drake Drake?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Okay, this is crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
My first concert I went to that wasn't like community
whatever was Kendrick twenty seventeen down Tour.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
The second the second concert I went to was Drake.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
And Drake is an artist who I grew with from
like twenty ten onwards. One of my mates he put
me onto Drake when he was in year six and
then I really got into rap music because of my
mate H and his USB had a USB with like
a couple hundred songs on it. Kendrick was on their
Mad City Drake, A lot of Drake was on their stuff,
(33:18):
like Up All Night with Nicki Minaj, and there was Kanye.
There was loads of differents on this little USB. Shout
out H's USB that that changed my music life changed
my life, probably because I don't know if I would
have been inter wrapped the same way without that introduction.
And we used to listen to Asap Rocky, then we
(33:40):
moved more year eighty nine into like nine's Jayha, Skepta
and all the UK man's and really, I need to
apologize that I'm so like not alert. I'm so tired
from this week. I think Drake makes hits, makes bangers,
but unfortunately I think a lot of inauthenticity is present
within his persona that wasn't necessarily there when he first
(34:04):
started and was more vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That sort of thing that's inevitable. That's any artist. They're
going to develop, like you can expect an artist whose
life goes from living a normal life like us to
touring and all these things to be in touch with
what you're in touch with.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Nistic.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
He's not telling us. He used to tell us his
dog sok. And now I think he's not being honest.
I think he's got what is he not being honest about.
He doesn't have to Okay, let's actually be honest. He
didn't have to be honest. I just don't know you
anything he can be whatever the hell he wants to be.
I don't think he is delivering what he used to deliver.
(34:48):
He used to be more vulnerable and open on songs,
and now it feels like this gangster facade, which he
didn't have as much of before.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He had some.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Bravado, but it was not on the level it is now.
It's a bit different now, but I still think the
output he puts out, a lot of the hits he's
got just solid. They just his run has been incredible
and he is such a big part of my teenage
years in my twenties as well. It's almost like you
can't really the other stuff they did, the allegations, all
(35:20):
that that's completely separate musically, I think you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's undeniable. And say, but to me, the same Kendrick,
same days of Rookie.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They shaped my life, Nines, Jaha, Skepta, pot of Paper,
They've shaped my life. So it's like, how can you
You can't really choose between people that have soundtracked your life.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, and you don't need to choose. I'm not on
the whole like, oh Kendrick versus Drake kind of thing.
I just think Europeans have a like they're either really
they love Drake or they really don't like.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
London loves Drake.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah, London loves Drake's there's no debate around that London
has loved Drake. And Drake showed love to artists like
our dads very early on, who are sneak Bow very
early on. You know, these are people that the Americans
don't know about, the North Americans don't know about. And
Drake clearly does have an appreciation for UK music and
(36:11):
an appreciation for dance hall and different things that he
has been caught in some sort of vulture allegations and
things like that, but he does have an appreciation.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You can see that. It's documented.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I would say that that's just his personality, like he
is very he will he puts everybody on.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I'm waiting for that our tune. Man, when's when's Drake
dropping the Chue McCarten?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's what we need.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I know. My brother and I talk about this a
lot about how by now we would have had a
sid doing Drake.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, we would.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
It was getting there. It was I swear they were
in talks like he was getting there and that's really unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But it wasn't meant to happen. It didn't happen. That's
just that is life.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
That is how I believe the world works, such as life. Yeah,
not genuinely.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, let's get back to being creative. Said you
were just allowed to be yourself.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, it just be myself. I was allowed to, within
boundaries explore what I wanted to. So I was making
rape music from twelve torop, my first song. I think
I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Really, yeah, answer where is it sound good?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I don't know if it's there anymore?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Can we can I answer it?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Maybe yeah we could because we'll see even like things
like and it sounds silly, but I wanted to take.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
English literature at a level.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So what's a level?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Sixteen seventeen?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Okay, so that's like right before university. University you guys
call it university here, yeah, okay, yeah, so do we Americans?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Okay? Cool?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, So I took English Lit, maths, and physics. So
I know some diseas would be like, no, take more
stem kind of subjects instead of English Lit and become
something else. I'm a lawyer, so it's not like, you know,
they'd be disappointed if they were traditional anyway. But I
think just not having that pressure almost meant that me
and my brother and we were going to be stable
(37:59):
and do well, because it's like, if your parents don't
put that pressure on you, you'll naturally understand. I think
maybe we did. I think that you need to work
hard and do well, and the career paths we've chosen
kind of lend themselves to that. So yeah, not pressuring
your kids and making them just are you doing your best?
(38:21):
Is kind of where we were at with our parents.
Are you doing your best? And we'd be like yeah,
and they know it. They did, look, and you know,
we're working hard. I worked really hard in school, worked
really hard, work decently hard in UNI, and then after
I've worked really hard.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
It's a trust. You trust your kids. My parents trusted us.
I made loads of mistakes. Some they know about something
they will never find out about what we're probably watching
this watch everything I do. But that's good.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
I think Mom said to me once she was in
the car with me, and she was saying, look, I
think it's good for your kids to do things that
you don't know about and break the rules.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And I agree.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I think to an extent. As long as a lot
i'm safe, I'm here. Yeah, and I was allowed to
push the boundaries or I did push the boundaries.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So you started rapping right, And then when did you
get into the jumping sirculated context.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Oh yeah, you're listening to rockers Avenue Radio, the world's
most listened to South Asian radio and podcast network.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, just starts out of a brown lub Mama pena
called back Street Killer.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
If you're Matella, you're following the lead on the sign
when it's a.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Bugger brown gisers to chin show.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
There's a gift from the holder's real slicks Dolgiers system
from Hols.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
There's no man takes, no want to be Dolgers.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
My cats slip back to the que lack of hoster
that does.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
The back of the rope.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
But I can't be my face.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
I'm the king at the whole crashes like if that's
the soaker the same time to me, maybe you won't
tell it sober.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Yeah, yeah, then it's back to business.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Can't tell me that and I'll break the hinges. What's
a closed door to a king?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
And mystic Sofieu's thing mixed with kiss the ring thing
done of England.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Put a bullet in my brain. And I die as
a martyr. It's the last ride, and he clips in
the car park. I take the trip with the flicks.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
Of the sitter words on my lips are the type.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
But when it brings us to the gallows everything, these
(41:39):
men say, you're gonna sound so hollow. Simon said, So
my man follows, and I can't.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Help but feel so power my options.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
You know, some narrow can't process the sharks and shallows
that I see. Start when I'm in the shadows. My
story start only the Harold taking a high road, hands
on a bible for me because I'm gripping.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
A rifle, filling the tycle, breaking the.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Cycle, can't keep down with the papers and tiles Amazon
before arrival. I'm pretend because you're reliable if I pat
the more because my folks praise the man sold the
color of those like he proves to me this where
we played your red luggas brod season.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
They take us for no clear reason. Rocks and hard
place this we be and got that boots.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
From my hus beaten my right rat race, run the
souls an illusion time and improving. Everybody's loosing that's their shoes,
and stay cruising because reality is loosing us, abusing life
and improve and I know who's confused in the name
of students with learning is burning and the fires don't
say comfortably the metal of the place that actually lost,
(42:39):
and they don't come back with God is gone.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And my left with strat and everybody's don't want to
chase for that. I was on the blow and the
playing for.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Food was the ebody Ain't got shoes proposing the blow,
and the playing for food was the eybody Ain't got shoes.
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