S5: EP #130: Interview with Director of Football Administration/Communications at Green Bay Packers, Mark Schiefelbein

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Speaker 4 (05:06):
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Up there, every rumor every cause he's been there, what
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Like everybody likes shef. We call him sheep goats. I'm
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I can't bring now so sheep oh Biden, she thanks
for coming man.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Thanks for having me. Guys appreciate it. People love this guy.
They create positions for him. If you read those biover.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
That Mark, I'm gonna sign you what I'm doing a coach,
It don't matter. Just get on the plane.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
We're gonna make your median.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
God.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, God is good.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Right all the time.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
But before we get started, it's somebody I really wanted
to ask you about. Okay, Lee Remo to me was
a special person. There's two people I told Gary this before. Yeah,
there's two people. If I had money that I would
build a statue, a road or something else.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
Big part of me, Bob Harlan, Yeah, and Lee Remo.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Lee Ramo is.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
The reason why Well, Gary hired me in radio okay,
but he just taught me about the media, Lee Ramo.
So when you were in Turn I think eighty nine,
how did that work?

Speaker 8 (06:45):
I was going to school in Oshkosh and a friend
of mine was doing a paper on Lee Remo.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
And he said, Hey, you want to ride along with me?

Speaker 8 (06:53):
I said yeah, because I was telling Gary before the show,
I initially went the Oshcosh Communications to be a sports cast.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I love sports. I want to be a sportscaster. So
this guy was.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
Going to do a payper on Lee asked me to
come along, and so I went along with him, and
all of a sudden, Lee was explaining all the things
that public relations does behind the scenes and things.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I thought, Wow, that's what I would love to do that.

Speaker 8 (07:17):
So after the interview I called him and I said,
mister Remol, would you guys need any help? I'll volunteer
in the press box for a game. And that's when
I did it. In eighty nine when they played Madison,
the Packers did play the preseason game so I volunteered
in the press box. And then next thing you know,

(07:38):
they offered me an internship that year, and I was
supposed to unpaid, unpaid internship and.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, and I was set to graduate.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
That that year in Oshkosh that semester, so I postponed
all my classes. I had my lease, so I would
get up in the morning every morning early, and back.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Then you had to wear coat and tie.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
Oh yeah, and I would drive back and I drive
back and forth Morshkinst to Green Bay every day.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
And I didn't have a key at first, so I
get there. My dad always said get there early.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
I get there early and wait out in the parking
lot till somebody's going in PRECID.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
They gave me a key. So that's how it started.

Speaker 8 (08:17):
And you know, people thought it was crazy because you
weren't getting paid.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I would have paid them. I mean, it was just
a great opportunity.

Speaker 8 (08:23):
Yeah, im lately to your point, Leroy, both those guys,
Bob Hart and Lee Remo, the two of the best
people I've ever met and two huge influences on my career.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Right saw the Earth because when I get drafted by
the Green Bay Packers, far As Greg wasn't the first
voice I heard from the Packers, Gary els Is, Lee
Remo that my god, man coach is on the line.
He's going to hold you'll talk to him. That's the
first official voice that I heard from the Green Bay Packers.

(08:57):
I'm sure for most guys who got drafted, I'm sure
that's how it went. You hear Lee remols Vor's first,
and then came the head coach. Great representative oding musics.
Obviously you know see now what the is the press box?
Was that the media?

Speaker 8 (09:12):
Yep, Lee Remo press box, which you know, and which
is very appropriate because he was such He was a
great people person, as you guys know.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Plus his memory my story.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
You know, he covered the Packers back when Curly Lambole
was still coaching and so and then he got hired
I think in seventy four when Dan Devine was was coaching.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
So he he's been there and experienced all that.

Speaker 8 (09:37):
We were a remember when they do those fantasy camps
and they had all the Lombardi guys out on Lambell
f Lee and I are standing off to the background
and Jerry Kramer's talking about the Ice Bowl drive and
he said, you know, that's the greatest drive that Bart
Star ever engineered, with four point fifty four left on
the clock, and Lee leaned over to me goes actually

(09:58):
it was four fifty two. Mean, Lee's memory unbelievable, unbelievable
and just and the players loved him, like like you said, Leroy,
the media did.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
He was just a special guy.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
That's how I know Brett Farr's middle name.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
Yeah, yeah, he always called everybody.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
How do you know your name, Lorenzo? How did you
get a brother? Middle name? Brett was still in South Yeah,
but still from South. How does Leeve Rouma know that?
God was like, how do you know that? He looked
at everything? And so the transition happens in ninety Linda

(10:37):
and fonte is the coach. My first year was ninety.
Now when did they hire you? Was in ninety and
ninety one when they said you can start getting a chick,
you know.

Speaker 8 (10:49):
So I entered in eighty nine and then nineteen ninety
got hired by Tampa Bay the.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Ball So I was down there for two years. That
was paid, all right, that was paid. Okay, that's what
you start.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
You're why you worry about people getting paid?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
I'll tell you I'm a bird. We won't know everything
about that. I guess, well, you got to the Packer
I want to back. Yeah, it was in Tampa though
the head coach.

Speaker 8 (11:12):
The head coach was Ray Perkins for the first night
from Alabama, Yes, James from Alabama. And then he got
Our owner was Hugh Calverhouse. He fired, and then they
hired Richard Williamson, who was a wide receiver coach, and
then Richard got the job next year.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
And then they they fired Richard at the end of
the year and hired Sam, which I was there for
about a month with Sam. He had just come from
the Bengals. I was there for about a month was
Sam when I got hired back at the Packers February
ninety two.

Speaker 9 (11:45):
Ironically, who was the head coach of ninety two of
the Parers? Mike Ironically guys. Uh, back then, organizations are
so much smaller. So I was a young PR guy.
They were doing a coaching search.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
They had me pick up coaches and yeah, and Jerry
Angelo was a personnel guy who would be the GM
of the Bears.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Later came to me. He goes, Mark, what are you
doing Friday night? I said, nothing, What do you need?

Speaker 8 (12:06):
He goes can you pick up one of our coaching
candidates at the airport?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I said, sure, who is? He said, Mike Holmgren And
I so you I didn't notice. Yeah, I wasn't familiar
with coach Holgren. And that was pre nine to eleven.

Speaker 8 (12:18):
So you met him at the gate and saw him
out there on Friday night and I pick up coach
and I'm taking him around and taking him to his
hotel and uh and then I picked him up the
next morning, took in mister Calverhouse's office and then he
starts asking me questions, Hey, where are you from?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
And I told him Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (12:34):
And because back then that year he was kind of
the as round Wolf said the bell of the ball.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
He had like six interviews. Everybody wanted him.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Oh yeah, because he was the coordinator ordinated at San
Francisco Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Buccaneers interviewed him for head coaches.

Speaker 8 (12:47):
Buccaneers interviewed him and UH, so I'm taking him back
to the airport and he starts asking me and I said, well,
you intern with the Green Bay Packers. He immediately looked
and he started asking me all kinds of questions about
Green Bay. And it's gonna be interesting to see what happens.
And then he got hired there like two weeks later,
and then we.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
Paid him a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Yeah, you know back then he made two hundred and
ninety five thousand back then. And I remember then because
I went to the Super Bowl that year, is in Minneapolis.
It was it was Washington against Buffalo, and I went
there as young PR guys do to help out, and
I run into him there and I congratulated him and

(13:28):
he said thanks.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
And then a couple.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Weeks later, I got hired at the Packers and I
see him in the hallway and he looks at me
and goes, are.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
You following me? Right? Yeah, you know, but that's kind
of how relation you started. Yeah, yeah, that is amazing.
This is such an amazing conversation.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
That is amazing.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
That was the connection. Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
So now when the transition is really moving now and
you he had that Brett, it's getting traded.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Now.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Jeff Blum was another young man who would league.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
I remember him telling me.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
You played against a guy. I forgot how you said it.
You played against a guy that we may try to
bring in. But remember now.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Don Mkowski was the guy, right, he was.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
He had your intern Yes, yeah, ten and six, Yes, yeah, yes.

Speaker 8 (14:26):
I mean and that team you know, they went out
to San Francisco that year and beat the Niners at
Candlestick and Montana was playing and so so yeah, Don
was Don was a guy, but he had gotten hurt
what ninety her shoulder.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
And then hit some other injuries. Yeah, we have the
best office line.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
But don't talk about Kim Rutgers like that.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
Hey man, kid, my friend, man do that?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Man?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
We eded that part out, kid.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
So the Brent Barr trade was you know what see,
I don't know had that happened now, that would be
a big deal.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Uh, first Frank quarterback?

Speaker 8 (15:13):
Yeah, I mean it was, you know, a couple of
years ago. They did a big story on that. ESPN
dot Com did. And you know, Ron, when he made
the trade, he waved the physical contingency on it because that's.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
How bad he wanted Brett.

Speaker 8 (15:29):
And then, as you guys know, when he got here,
the team physician failed him on the physical. Yeah, and
Ron told me when the team physician, Ron hadn't been
there that long, he'd only been there a couple of months.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
He got it. He does.

Speaker 8 (15:42):
He trades the number one pick for a guy that
fails the physical, which means you can't get that number
one pick back. And Ron Ron said, when the team
doctor told him that he shut the door, he was
by himself. He said, he got emotional, and he said
he kind of had a moment he thought, I'm done,
I'm done. All of a sudden, he said, he kind
of gathered himself and I think he went back and said,

(16:02):
you passed him on that physical. And of course you
know what they did, and he played, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Because I think had that car wreck. I believe that
he was in a car wreck and they had.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Or something like that.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
I think that was part of the issue with him.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
But something with an arthritic. I thought it was maybe
a hip too or something. I was quite sure.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
But obviously, you know, it worked out well. But Ron
showed me a card back then. You know those cards
used to get in the store there longer, thinner cards
that always kind of had some sort of smart smart
you know what remarking there. And Ron opened it up
and it was a middle finger and it was from
an attorney in Milwaukee. He never said who was saying,

(16:44):
you know, just ripping Ron for making that trade at
the time.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, and and Ron kept that for years. He kept that,
you know, just as you know.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Here's the thing that really was iconic to me. The
discussion was a Bob Harlan. That's why I say he's
so they have a conversation and Ron said, I'm gonna
do this, and Bob was like, listen, you have full
autonomy all football operations.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Do it.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
I'm with you, because if the boss is not with you, you
can't really go with your gut, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
So that was just paramount.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
So when Brett actually comes, the Reggie White thing, if
that had happened now in free agency, it is I
could the Micropartsans thing was such an amazing thing when
you find out that Reggie is.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Coming to the Packers.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
What was that impact like for the media side.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, it was, you know what.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
We were actually at these PR meetings in Atlanta, Georgia,
and I remember the night because it was a night
that North Carolina played Michigan in the NCAA final with
Chris Ever called the timeout that they didn't have.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I always remember that.

Speaker 8 (18:03):
And there was all of a sudden, there was you know,
rumors going around that you know, between San Francisco and
Green Bay for Reggie White, and you're just like wow,
because we had never been in that conversation in a
long time, you know, since the sixties all.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
The market big bar. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (18:18):
And the next morning then I was on the phone
with Bob Harlan and Bob says to me, hey, we
signed Reggie White. And I didn't believe Michael, Bob, you're
kidding me. And then you got Mike Reinfeld on Michael's
we signed him. You guys got to get back here
as soon as you can. So we high tailed back.
And of course, to your point, Lee Remo and Jeff Blum,
they were they were my two bosses sold. But so

(18:41):
we all high tailed it back and we couldn't You
just couldn't believe it. It's hard to explain to people
now how big that was. Uh, it was just it
was huge for so many reasons. And you two know
you know better than anyone, but it was it was
such a big deal, and you know, it was a
that was the lead story of the you know, the

(19:02):
there wasn't a.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
Free agency, remember playing Bright, Oh yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
That's what that did. You were talking about being big.
That changed the course of really a player movement throughout
the NFL, because I know a lot of people don't know.
Before that you could only play for one team. I mean,
the owners had a monopoly on the players. They could
just only stay there and not negotiate whether the teams
to drive their value out. Well, the Green Bay practicing

(19:29):
and Reggie White changed all of that, which now you
got guys making Megans and Megans and gonziis of dollars
because of that.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Well, at that time, big Dog contract was guaranteed, so
shot Mike Ryan.

Speaker 8 (19:42):
Fell Yes, Yeah, yeah, Mike was a Mike was a
very You're right about Bob Harlan, by the way, he's
the one that started the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, And I always felt Mike.

Speaker 8 (19:51):
Was a very underrated key part because it was a
four year, seventeen million, yeah, and they had to have
enough guaranteed money up front. Yet the Packers reserve wasn't
what it is today. And Mike told me, and it's
been well documented, he negotiated through the night with Jimmy
Sext and Regis and uh, I think.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I think Jimmy, if I remember right, was at that game.

Speaker 8 (20:14):
Maybe, But but anyway, they did it through the night
and got the deal done.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
And uh, you know it was.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Ryan Faild did a couple of my contracts.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, you don't need all that money now, Lee put
it up in the future.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
I said you might. Yeah, I said, you're right. I
want to be rich when I'm old, now when I'm young.
Shout out to Mike. Yeah, because that he had that
tough guy.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Look, I don't think he's ever smiled his whole life.
He was a very good differenceive back too.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
He was yeah, really good blood the NFL interceptions and
seventy nine twelve picks.

Speaker 7 (20:47):
So uh, you got Reggie and people see the transition
now into uh back when Gary and plays in the eighties.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
I don't know what people thought because.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
We were staying the organization back in the eighties. They
had to overcome a lot of stuff. There was a
lot of bad stuff happening, and there needed to be
I mean, I think the Lindy and Fonte hirey was
a good hire. I think it served its purpose of
kind of moving forward, and then that came to the
end and it got even better with Mike Homegren and

(21:25):
is the rest is history? Yeah, I mean, of course,
you know, the package is always stuck in history. When
you go back. It's you know, it's about Box Starr.
Obviously you called him the universe. Oh, he's definitely a universe.
Everybody else is a planet. And that was the quarter
that was you know, the Lombardi Ara then for as
Greg and they kind of stook with what they knew.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
And then Bob Harlan was around all that.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
He had the fores sight to say, Okay, it's not
working the way we used to have it. We gotta
change it up. We gotta do it different. The NFL
is different. We got to have a GM and he's
got to have full control of everything he wants to do.
You talk about Bob Hart, I think the biggest thing
with Bob Harlan now you and I talked to him.

(22:10):
We were on another radio show and Bob had said
to us in the interview that maybe it was the
board or some people were saying, why are we trading
for a quarterback that's not even playing, and they didn't
actually want to do the deal. Bob asks, so it
goes Run to leave the room, and Bob says to

(22:35):
the constituents in the room, if we don't allow this
Run to make this deal, we'll never ever get another
guy qualified to do this, So y'all need to pipe
down up and come and go to GM man.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Right, that's my guy.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
But but the package were stuck in that Bob brought
him to a new place. Just what I'm saying, that's
that's how the package used to work. And Bob was
here on the Judge Parents. Yes, absolutely incredible and he
Judge Parents was a guy when I was there, but
they needed to move out of that situation and get into.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
You know, every now and then. He sounded really intelligent.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
The man got my fifty degree.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
What the Wisconsin I don't say. But that's the story
that we hear from Bob and hundred.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Percent right, GARYTT, that's those stories that Gary just told.
And what you're telling is the history of what people
are gonna see this part. I didn't know that that's
why you were so important to be on the show.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
Well you would, that's nice to say. When Gary told
me the Gary called me, you go say Shef? We had?
He said, we had Mark Murphy on last week. I said,
you're going from Mark Murphy to Mark Sheef.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
You're you're what you call family.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Mark is like one of the head lost.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Mark won't see this. We will edit that out. Now
we love Martin Murphy.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Were doing more because the reason why we do love
Martin Murphy in all honestly because me and Gary were saying,
who's going to replace the goat Bob Harker.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
For what he did? Who's going to do that? Who
would want to fill bob shoes?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
You got to get somebody that don't fill shoes, but
bring their own.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
And that's what Murphy was.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
But back to the transition, because I want to go
towards Super Bowl thirty one. What was that like seeing
the media, the marketing, and the fan base kind of
feeling it in ninety five when we went to Cowboys
and lost, it wasn't my fault though I had nothing

(24:58):
to do with it.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
But because I remember home Maker said, you play Baker,
that's my.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Maker.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
I remember when we lost to Dallas, home Run was
walking on the plane and the plane you're supposed to
sit down playing going up. He'd always come back and
check on us. After he yelled at us, supposed he said,
next ure, we're gonna win it, cause we really had.
We didn't know how to beat a team like the

(25:33):
cap Up, so they don't make no mistakes, made too
many mistakes. Right, he's on the plane as it's going up.
We haven't got the ten thousand feet yet.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
That when you could.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
So they told everybody bucket of seats and Mike Zamet,
Mike Walky.

Speaker 6 (25:47):
I gotta let these boys know that when we land.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, when you come back.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
In training camp, we went in the Super Bowl, that's when.
How what was that feeling like going into that ninety
sixth season.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
It's exactly what you said, And you know that ninety
five was kind of the in ninety.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Four a little bit.

Speaker 8 (26:07):
But you know, prior to that Dallas game, remember probably
the biggest win in years was going out to San
Francisco and beat it.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, beat up handily.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
Then we come back play Dallas and people forget too
were the Packers were up twenty seven to twenty four
going into the fourth Fortnite game. But what you started
to see, you started to see it a couple of
years before, but now all of a sudden, cover of Sports.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Illustrated, it's about the Packers.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
You know, in ninety six we're getting some are all
mad and doing a lot of our games. We're getting
the top announcers, we're getting, you know, all the national
media coming in and wanting to do stories on everybody.
So that's and the fan excitement. I think Tom Silverstein
wrote Spoon, who was a great writer, as you guys know, yeah,
you know, said I'm making yeah quick, Spoon's the best.

(26:55):
Spoon wrote an article not too long ago that talked
about the nineties and he said it was there's something
the effective fandom that this state had never seen before
that nineties run, just you know, because it had been
so long, and it's the packers and the tradition and
going you know, all the way up through ninety five,
ninety six, ninety seven, and I think that's right on.

(27:16):
I mean, it was just there was a frenzy there.
And I think a lot of that stuff, most of
that stuff has laid the groundwork for what we see today,
whether it's lambell Field, whether it's fans, all the things.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Was the stuff that you guys did.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Gart tell Mark the first time when you saw us practicing.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
With Mike Houngerm and how you got it. Because with
far as.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
The landscape, I think the forty nine ers, for me,
I thought changed the landscape.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Yeah, how to treat players.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Bill Washing them, those guys had their own hotel room.
I mean they are so innovative of how players should
be treat I think in the early eighties, you know,
you had Mike Dicker, you had far As Greg.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
I mean you had a lot of Chuck Nole. I
mean you had a lot of old school.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I had did it a certain way for a long time,
and but when Bill wash came in and it kind
of moved towards more I would say player friendly, and
that they figured out that we don't have to have
short yardage and gold line full pads on Friday.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
No oh drill.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean, and that I think to me, I
felt like San Francisco did that. Then I come up
and watch you guys, because you know, back then we
still could, you know, formed players still could come in
and watch prices.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I come up and watch you guys. Shoot, you guys
were in shells on a Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Shells and if we know what shells, they should make
these little shoulder pass But they really weren't shoulder.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
They were a foam thing.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
We got tennis shoes and they had short the green grayet.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Terms shoes.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I called Kenny Steals and said, man, you ain't gonna
believe what these guys are doing.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Man, No to day, none of that home at six o'clock.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
You're not gonna believe this.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
And part of that I felt that Mike Holmgren came
from saying Fran and he kind of brought those some
of those ideas to Green Bay on how players should
be treated. It was just it was just different. But
I mean it worked out for the best. I mean,
I think if you know, when we look at players,
it's even worse because these jokers don't even touch anybody anymore.

(29:43):
Well no, no, no, they don't touch anybody anymore practice. No,
it's just a different game today than it was when
y'all had joint practices back we did so.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Back when I played out we had.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Where we had what we called the Cheese League, and
I think what New Orleans was like in Lacrosse and
the Bears in.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
River Falls had Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
River Falls and we were in Green Bay, and so
there were a number of teams that we used to
they used to make the circuit. Yes, so the Jork
practice is nothing new, but I guess in the sense
it is around the league. But when they had the
change League here that we all travel around and played
each other.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
What do you think when Mike road to pack practice
with the motorcycle in the glasses.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
But your parents taught him how to how to ride
the morning I had security.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to remember what
was when did he When did he do that?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Was that? Was that before I was going in that transition? Okay?

Speaker 4 (30:48):
You know you could tell it was about six season
they were coach.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, and you do that sometimes on the road.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
He one time he we were playing it might have
been San Francisco or Dallas, but in Dallas Fornescy championship
game because we always had police escorts and they got
a Harley form and he.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Rolled in the jack. Yeah, he was a game.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
No, this was to the hotel. Okay, the hotel from
the airport on the other day before.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
So you know, the media, I don't think they they
they got that, but what they did get. He was
a therapist and he cared about his players outside of
the uniform.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
And he'd all say, uh, go talk to she, go
talk to Jeff. Wait did you clear this with Lee?

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yes, sir, I never forget yep, because I had to
do Jim Rome. The Jim Rome show, and did you
Basically he's asking, did you guys give me media training?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Right? Right?

Speaker 5 (31:47):
So you don't say he should say some stupid stuff.
All the times you might say something.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
That's what I found out. What liquacious man. He's a
very loquacious guy.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I said.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
Lead y'all got to deal with a lot of personalities.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
So the staff, the media, how does it work? Requests
when you get because when we do Madden in some raw,
they tell you, these are the guys who.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
Want to talk to on Saturday?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
How do you get that work?

Speaker 8 (32:20):
And Lee and Jefferly Jeff Boyce really dealt with the
networks and did a great job with that.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
But you're right for that.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
They would come in because you know, National TV is
your greatest source of revenue. So whoever they wanted to
talk to, we had to make sure we got them.
So it was always like Leroy, Brett, Reggie, Mike Holmer,
might be a coordinator like Fritz and then you talked
them before and then and then it was easy for
a home game, but if.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
You're on the road and people are going out, then.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
I'd be you know, staking out the lobby and grabbing
guys and making sure that they're doing that. But during
the week, you know, you had your normal media times.
But then if we got national requests, a lot of
those would go through Lee and Jeff, and then we
meet and they'd say, hey, they want Leroy Butler, and
they want Gilbert Brown, they want Antonio whatever. And then
but then sometimes Coach would tell us, hey, you know,

(33:10):
let's be careful. Let's not push too much at one person.
You know, we're a team here, you know. He he
wanted that. And and as you guys know, he's a
brilliant man. Mike hombern Yeah, and not just football.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
You know.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
Rob Wolf told me one time, he said, Mike Homberan
and Bill Parcells are the only two guys that I
know that can watch film one time and immediately know
how to attack, you know, defense. And he said, they're
the only two guys I've ever seen that can do that.
And uh, and Coach, you know, he watched. He seemed
to know every interview that was taking place. He'd because

(33:45):
he'd say, hey, I saw this player, said this, get
him up here. You know, so there's you guys, he
I said, you could have he could have been a
great detective because he.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Knew every you know, he did, you know, and a
lot of times he's asking you the question, he already
knew what the answer was, you know.

Speaker 8 (33:58):
So but yeah, we'd get a lot of we'd get
a lot of requests. Sometimes then you just had to say, hey,
I'm sorry, we can't do it, and we had to
kind of filter those through, which is basically what our
job was.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
So when hunger is getting we kind of con see it. Right,
he's gonna probably leave at some point. Super Bowl thirty
two happened. You can google those results about the way.
I don't want to bring them up. But Mike's going
to Seattle. How did that affect you?

Speaker 8 (34:32):
Well, personally, I mean, as he was a huge mentor
and he and Mike Ryan felt left, you know, so
that was a that was a loss there. It was
just you know, I think and looking back in the
history of the Packers for the previous thirty years, most
coaches got fired.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Right now, we got a guy that's leaving.

Speaker 8 (34:54):
He's successful, going to another place, and so that part
was that part was different.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Did he really want to be a GM to it?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
That was just a rumor. I think he wanted.

Speaker 8 (35:04):
He always said he'd liked to run his own, his
own team, so he was kind of the head coach
GM really in retrospect though you're not doing both jobs,
you're in charge of both jobs. He coached, but then
you know, Ted Thompson went out there in two thousand
and Ted did all the personnel stuff, you know, coach
was in charge of it, had final say, but Ted,

(35:26):
Mike Reinfeld did the Rhinold did the contracts, and Ted
did all the you know, the personnel stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
So and they went to a super Bowl in two
thousand and five.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
So they had success out there, but you know, he
had a very successful coach that left, you know, so
there was that transition then with Ray and then after
that with Mike Sherman as you know.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
So yeah, Mike Sherman one of my favorite coaches.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, well, I want to want to back up a
little bit, but then how did it come to be
Mike walks into your offense says, hey, chief, you're gonna
come with your boy or not?

Speaker 8 (35:57):
Well, that's right, he talked to me, but it didn't
really didn't really work out for Shia.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I don't know. Later on with Cleveland, you know, it did.
That would be a.

Speaker 8 (36:10):
Few years later, but uh, you know I was from
I'm from Wisconsin originally Reedsburg, went to school at Ashcott,
you know, so I mean to be at the packers,
and you know it would have been it had to
be a really good job to leave and nothing really materializers,
nothing offered.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
He always kind of talk to me about that.

Speaker 8 (36:27):
I thought, well, if it ever worked out, but that
time it didn't work out.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, because when so he Mike his run was amazed.
That's why I think I wanted to hear Wilban in
the Hall of Fame. He gets to Cleveland and then
it because he didn't with owners. Now like yeah him

(36:52):
and Ron Wolf you didn't owners. Now they can pay
you what they want to do what they want. So
we goes to Cleveland. Then I'm thinking, uh, man, Garyt.
We were at some event when we saw you and
you came back and.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Was it one of the Hall of Fame bank which
had me.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Because you're in the Hall of Fame Hall of Fame
board now yes, yep, big time, yeah, big time right
right because he walking around as jacket.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
No, I know that.

Speaker 8 (37:23):
Yeah, I was on it before and then when I
came back they asked me a bank on then you know,
it's all about the.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
History and tradition, which is which is great.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
So now we are Cleveland. How was how is Cleveland?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, you know Cleveland? It was great.

Speaker 8 (37:38):
I mean people say, well, it didn't work out because
we were there three years and then our owner, Randy Lerner,
sold the team to Jimmy Haslam, who part of one
of the Bucks. Now Jimmy, of course brought in his
own people, which we kind of knew. But you know
what for me when coach talk to me about it,
and he was the president there, so he was.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Like the Bob Harlan.

Speaker 8 (38:00):
It was an opportunity to go work for him again,
which is first and foremost title.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Then the title there was like VP of football operations.
Now people thought.

Speaker 8 (38:12):
People my buddies thought, yeah, de hey, yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
He got a parkat for sure.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah. Well, you know what, my buddies back home, they thought, hey,
you running the draft. No, no, no, I have nothing.
I was like, yeah, I'm running nothing to do. Yeah,
I'm a yeah, I'm right. And I thought, Jake, he.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Got a parking spot.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:38):
I enjoyed Cleveland. The city reminds me a lot of Milwaukee.
The fans, Yeah, remind me of Packer fans, And obviously
I hope I hope they don't something like Erie right
right the door. I knew that, you know, obviously I
hope they don't want to need a Sunday. But but
I those fans deserve a winner.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
They're passionate.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
We talked about history though right now, Oh, y'all. But
they talk about history Cleveland, Green Bay because I can
remember at from golf tournaments and Ray Niskey's talking about
Jim Brown and how you know back then, how they
used to go at it a lot. So their history

(39:19):
is probably just as great as the Packers was back
in there.

Speaker 8 (39:22):
Absolutely, Gary, Absolutely, Paul Brown, Jim Brown. You know, back
in the fifties, I think they went to the championship
game like ten straight years.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Idol Graham was a quarterback.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
I mean, they had Donte la Velli, they had you know,
they had great, great players.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
I touched him a little bit.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
I pulled my head up and put it in my
back pocket.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Because I think they're gonna do eighty five years of
the dog pound this they played the package.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, dude, those fans are rabbit. I told our players,
do not do the leap. Yeah. In the down Pound
in the dark, we go, we go, we'll hit. We
play a game in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
This is the old Cleveland and so we're in that now.
It was a municipal stadium, but it looks like Miller
Park kind of sort of.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
And we're down there.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Did you did you ever play the old Cleveland stadium?
We're down at the end. And of course Forrest had
some history with Cleveland too back when he played, and
so there was a little little hate. And so we're
down in the dog pound in warm it up. Them
dudes throwing batteries and stuff. We could even warm up.

(40:31):
So and I forget who the head coach was at Cleveland,
first walked down and say, hey, we can't warmp it
I in? Can we warmp at your in? And they say, no,
you can't warmp it. You stays down there with the
dog pound. So we kind of moved out a little
bit just to get away from the batteries and the
dog bone. So that before they moved that place was crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
And then you know then obviously the team left to
go to Baltimorrow, right, So the stadium now that they built,
the Browns want to do a new development out by
their facility on Brook Park. So they're they're trying to
transition kind of like you said the Packers did. And
so you know, like I said, not this Sunday, but
I wishing well, it was a great experience. I worked

(41:13):
with a lot of different people from different teams, and
you know, you learn different ways of doing things. But
you know, Green Bay Special, special place. Well, we're glad
to have you back.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Well, thank you, it's good. It's good to be back. Really.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah, we saw them at the the Packer Hall of
Fay dinner when Michael Parsons.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
Where were you standing when you heard that.

Speaker 8 (41:36):
We were in nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
The restaurant that all came down. Oh really yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
At first we didn't. We're like, no, this isn't true.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I read you. I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, right, So that because you said it seemed like
to me the last two years the pack has been
the youngest team in the league. You and these guys
have grown up because it's on the job training and Gary,
to tell you, one of the team that really triggers
me was Detroit being Detroit short week playing the Commanders.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
It's a young team. Yah, can you compare that energy
when because you were there.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
When Brett was there when graduation, can you compare that
energy to say it was totally different?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
You know?

Speaker 8 (42:28):
And obviously, as you guys know, I'm not I'm retired now,
so I'm not in the organization, but right.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Not just saying energy.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
You can you you're there at the dinner.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
I mean, yeah, if you're around, you know, I wouldn't
have been to both games, you know, with your phone
blowing up. Yeah, when the Parsons thing went down, my
phone was I had like twenty some texts people like
this is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I can't be you.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Didn't know they still had your number? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I thought you right, yeah it no, there's excitement. There's
an excitement. And you guys know this better than I
do because you played the game. But you know, you
can kind of feel it when you know, it's hard
to explain. It's like going into that ninety six season
and you know they've started off two and all this year, and.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
It's hard to compare anybody that ninety six team, which
is one of the greatest teams of all time in
NFL history, by the way, first team since the merger
in nineteen seventy the AFL NFL merger to lead the
league and scoring on offense and fewest points a lot
on defense.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
So yeah, special teams. Well, I remember that. That's a great,
great team.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
And you know Brian Guduz, I don't know, I've met
him a couple of times, but I'm a big fan
of Brian Goudivills. He was a young scout we were there,
and Russ Ball a huge fan of his. And I've
you know, those three positions as you guys know, the
GM head coach and your cap guy, contract guy.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
They have to be in sync and these guys policy. Yeah,
I met a couple of times.

Speaker 8 (44:08):
Yeah, very impressive lawyer to Yeah, he's a lawyer, free advice. Yeah, yeah,
you can just tell.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I don't know, he's he's a football family currently yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:21):
Yeah, and you can tell ed when he does interviews.
I mean he's a polished guy and he knows what
he's doing.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
So everybody talks talks about mett La Floor's hair, but
their positive hair.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Tight, yes, yes, straight out of place.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
It was kind of different when uh Murphy hired the
Floor and the man Gary was on the radio. Yeah,
and people didn't like that that it was.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
What the hierarchy, so to speak, and you know that
Mark had a different way of doing things was actually
been very successful. How can you knock it? And then
you know Mark hired the coach and a lot of
let's just say media people weren't very happy that, but
Mark people forget Mark.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Plus he played the game right because his chris so diverse.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
P you forget that he was John Lynch before John
Lynch was John Lynch.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Yes that six y four, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
And five.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
So yeah, he's got a lot of knowledge in day
to day operations obviously, but also as a former player
too that a lot of people don't and.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Both ways work.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
Yea, yeah, you're right, both ways work. And I never
got the impression, you know, I was only there a
few years and Mark was there before I went to Cleveland,
but I never got the impression from Ted Thompson that
Mark ever interfered. He never said no, you can't do that,
and he said, Ted said, hey, this is what I
want to do.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
I think Mark ore is blessed and that's what Mark
said here.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
It's absolutely so.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
And that's that's the thing that's so special about the
Packers and there with no owner because other places it's
not like that. Sometimes the owner makes the call or
you know, and you got to do what the owner wants.
And that doesn't happen in Green Bay. And they let
the football people be in charge of football. And you
should know that.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You've been had another place and you're
just like, wow, it is. It's a little different.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
It's a little different.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
So what's next, you know.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
What, guys.

Speaker 8 (46:29):
I I moved back to Green Bay a couple of
years ago. I was working as a sports agent with
Bob Lamont.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
I'm out and read on of that.

Speaker 8 (46:37):
Bob represented Mike Holmgan back in the day and he
really kind of pioneered the coaching representation. I enjoyed that,
but my dad was getting sick at the time. He
since passed away. I thought, you know what, I want
to come back and spend time with him.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
So I did that dad.

Speaker 8 (46:54):
Dad passed away a couple of years ago. But now
I'm just I'm on a couple of boards. I'm on
the Pack Hall of Fame board. I'm on u W
Green Bay Phoenix Fund, that's their fundraising arm of their
athletic department. I'm just on the board, but they Mark's
out there. I was on those boards before when I
was in green basall, it's nice to be involved again.

(47:14):
So I'm you're You're involved a little bit with things,
but not too much, and so I'm basically retired. If
I got something I was really interested in what I listened. Sure,
but I've been fortunate to be worked with great people,
and uh, well, thank you.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
I appreciate that. But you know, I just got to
say this.

Speaker 8 (47:35):
You know when when you guys were there that you know,
you always talk about culture and Green Bay has it,
and you guys Leroy, Brett, Reggie and all you guys
were so good to all the support staff. All those
players were Gilbert Free, Frankie, everybody was. And that's when
you know you've got a great organization. And I think

(47:56):
that's a lot of you know, what is a packer player, Garret,
You know that you've though you came in earlier than that,
I mean, And and that's why I think that sustained
success is because of the types of players. Sure they
have to be great players, but the people that you are,
how you treat other people. Mike Holmganoy's used to tell
me that those are the things that create a sustainable organization.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
You're not just winning games and you know one year.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
And the next year you're not. I mean, it's it's
having great people. We're all working together, we're all rolling
in the same direction. If you have that, you got
something going. And you guys, you guys were that way, Lauria,
you guys treat us.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
All very very well, very very well. Well, we appreciate
you coming out here. No, thank you amazing.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
I learned a lot and I knew it.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
I thought you knew it all.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I like to think I knew it all.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
Who do you want to thank before we get out
of here?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Well, we are talking well, but obviously Mark, thanks coming.
Appreciate it. I appreciate I know I talked to you
at the dinner. Why you guys want Mark come on man.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Well, yeah, you know what to way? But when get
it played Wisconsin?

Speaker 8 (49:05):
Yeah, number forty one, Yeah sure we're number forty two
again based so that's the unting that play with.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, yeah, but thanks for coming. Really appreciate it. Great.
Uh we got to talk about our good friends down
here already, Turzales Brewery and Jake call you Bicky like
that work. Good sending man. Government man is here and
and just the story with Tourzala's chief is not ware.

(49:35):
So Lou and I we lose the job. They're really
liking radio and we weren't doing anything or I wouldn't
do anything. Lari is calling me, buck me man, we
should do a podcast. You should do a podcast. Got
to do a podcast. I don't want to do a podcast.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Donas Wow, I'm done.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
I don't work anymore. I'm done.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
So long story short, we got together end up doing
a podcast.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
That's how this thing all came about.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Luar and Mario was doing a podcast together at Mario's
house and so that's one room everything, Yeah, everything just
in one bedroom and right and then all of a sudden,
right then we make this connection with with with Jake
and Jeff Tresala, but his last name was not Tsala,
but it's actually his brother in law. They're married to sisters,

(50:21):
Renee and Trish. So they got up town on us
all together, out of you, and they own a brewing
company h in Bay Views on the South side, so
to speak.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
And so we.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Left uh Mario's basement and moved everything over to Treesalad Brown.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Company Thomas's chair.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yes, yes, so we get our podcasts out of there,
out of their brewing company. And then as our podcast grew,
Pottowada Hotel and Casino or Potowa Casino Hotel then took
us on and we go. You know what, the Tara
brothers got to come with us. We're doing a podcast.
They come with us to do podcast and now we

(51:01):
have well we do them in off So in the
off season we go back to.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Drank year round.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
The son that forty two all the day discriminated, so
we came with a beer brew forty two. So they've
been our partners for a long time and so they
it's family owned. They do all the brewing right there.
And I always ask Jack Jake, are you lifting?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
And Jake says, lift the kegs that's right here, ain't light,
that's what.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
So what we got going on at towards I saw Jeff,
was that Were you guys at Clem Dyke, Clody or somewhere?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Were you guys.

Speaker 10 (51:36):
Cloda Park up in Whitefish, Baby've been doing some beer
gardens up there. It's been a great, great community up there.
You know, they've been really inviting. I mean, you show
up there and you don't think anybody's gonna show up next.
You see like droves of people with strollers coming up
once they see craft beer in a food truck, pomp up.
I mean, they come out of the woodward. This weekend,
we're up at Bayside, a little bit north of Cloda Park.

(51:59):
They're doing their big Fall fast up there. We'll have
our trailer, we'll have brew forty two up there. They'll
have activities for the kids and stuff. It's it's really
neat to see these communities that are trying to do things,
bring people together, you know, with better way to do
it than with a beer in your hand.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
And you know, especially.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
When we get threw forty two, because now it just
starts the conversation like, oh we know Gary. And then
right that's when the story started coming out.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
That's fun.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
It's good stuff. All good stuff is good stuff. Appreciate it.
Just chose we can thank lake Ford and Lake Chevy.
We could we could think those people as well, lake Ford,
Lake Chevy, and as we're our good friends over at

(52:44):
lake Fort Lake Chevy looking for new or used there.
I don't even know why you use it to check
out our good friends over Lake Ford Lake Chevy South
twenty seven Streak matter of fact, And I've told you
guys the story before lake Ford Lake Chevy took me
in about thirty years go, when I'm still affiliated with them.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Today, my son also works over at Brock lake Ford
Lake Ship. We're gonna get a bronc and little world.
We can never forget right our good friend over at
the Jury Center. If you're looking for a piece of jewelry.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
Hey, man, listen, that's the only place I was going.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Lee Roy got a diamond ring from and I'm still
from Claire's from from Hold. I went to the jury
in my pocket was bullging out and it was not
what you think it was. It was that big old
don of the ring that was in my pocket that
Lee was spent money for the Jewish Center. Say my
good friends out the Jury Center right there, Uh, he murried. Man,

(53:40):
He's he's not necessarily owner because everybody that don't work
for him. There are a team just like the Green
Bay package right.

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Facttina twenty eighteen South first Street, best Mexican food out
of here.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yeah it is because.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Fifth time I thing it was like about Halicecoos Katina,
they serve brew forty two on tap. Yes, that's what
you gotta know about them. So if you're looking for
brew forty everybody will ask me, what's brew forty two?
Brew forty two? Well, Alice goes, Katina's got it right
over there. You can get it right there on tap.
Those guys are absolutely incredible.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Give it with them.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Three tacos. Oh oh, man, come on fire.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I five. I almost forgot. Tomorrow's Jeff's birthday.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Why is he here to.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Man stuff? Coming up on his birthday?

Speaker 5 (54:39):
That absolutely I love that.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
So the Packers got Cleveland, Uh this uh, this upcoming
weekly World?

Speaker 5 (54:48):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Real quick?

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Cleveland's a bad team. It's just Miles Garrett. Stop him
so now, because Hongo would tell us this, don't read
your thod things. Can you gonna be better than some teams?
They also say some games you're gonna say, man, we
won that, we probably got away with it. Some games
that we gave it away. This team is building something

(55:12):
because now you got all the headlines and they're struggling, you.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Know, quarterback situation or whatever.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
But make no mistake about it anytime Miles Garrett, who
I think is just unblockable at times, he can wreck
what you wanna do. So that's the next two wins
really are gonna be very polarizing because you play the
Cowboys next, and that's gonna be all about parties. But
stay focused. Win the predicted this particular game by Hooker Crook.

(55:41):
It don't matter, but defense wins championships. I've always said
that I want to think a lot of people, but
I'm gonna cut this list down, Mario, because we don't
even gonna promote the people that don't pay their invoys.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
You can't figure in. But we not doing that. We
got stuff to do. Visit Milwaukee dot org. They paid everything.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
You go to busy Milwaukee dot org and then we
have something on there called ask Leroyd.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Go on there.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
You can ask me anything about Milwaukee and I'll point
you to the best restaurants and great things to do here.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Bewauker.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
If you got a convention coming to Beers Centers, the
Beer Center is second to nothing. And uh, Tortita's chips.
They got some chips. Not ever, if you look at
them at the pick and say.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
So you up they got the package. Yes, yeah, we
will see it.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
Many about two and a half certain they got it.
Pay you for five seconds?

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Pay you for that man, my wife watch you can't
ask me that. That's the money you hide for your wife.
And then her friends say, you know you got that
residual money. That's the Chris Brown song, right, it's Chris
Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
That's I love. That's all residual. But get that bag.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
And if you see me at a pick and say,
I'll sign it for you, and you can find out
which pick and said, I'm going to be at Instagram
lead thirty six thirty six or you can go to
little repeller ink dot com. And again, I just want
to thank everybody for tuning in. We'll see o'all next week.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I want to thank sheep a Bond again. Yes, that
was very good. And uh, what's the what's the red planet?
What's your thing?

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Red red planet?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Yes? So people, you do you do podcasts for you,
set up for you and stuff like that. And my
guy true Blood, I think true Blood a vampire man.
This guy does not age at all. So can somebody
get me a mirror and put it up because they
say no reflection?

Speaker 8 (57:46):
Right?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, Okay, see y'all next week

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