February 5, 2025 • 45 mins
#Broncos #BroncosCountry #NFL #DenverBroncos #BoNix #MylesGarrett On today's show, the LTB crew debates whether or not the Denver Broncos should try to trade for Myles Garrett, Garrett Wilson, George Kittle, and some more notable stars. Joey and Zach also talk about the Broncos' staff departures and the Raiders hiring Chip Kelly. SUBSCRIBE TO LET’S TALK BUFFS: / @lets-talk-buffs Check out the website: https://letstalkbroncos.com/ Altitude Adjustment Shop: https://altitudeadjustmentshop.com/ Catch the Let's Talk Broncos Podcast Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on the Let's Talk Broncos YouTube, by clicking subscribe below and ringing the bell for notifications, or by searching 'Let's Talk Broncos' wherever you listen to podcasts!!
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello, everybody, Welcome. It's another edition of Let's Talk Broncos.
We are back is off season. I'm in the full
swing of draft season right now. I know Zach is
going to get into it as well. Here Just in
a second, we were texting a little about that today.
This is a fun episode though, I'm excited for it
in light of the crazy Luka Doncic trade that happened,
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well it would be two days ago. It is. We
are going to go through some potential ridiculous, Blockbuster esque
trades that could happen for the Broncos. Maybe not all
the way realistic, right, but either was the Luka Doncic one.
Maybe this opens the door for Hit the Broncos to
start making some cool calls, cool calls around the other
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thirty two teams. So, Zach, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Man, that's way worse all right, I feel much better.
I feel great, Joey, I'm happy to be here on
the show with you. And yeah, like you said, I mean,
who would have thought that Luka Donji trade was realistic?
I've seen so many memes of people trying that trade in,
like the ESPN trade machine trying that trade in an
NBA two K and the computer saying Nope, this trade's
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not realistic, it wouldn't be accepted. You know, it's weird.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Things happen in sports.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All the time. You know, who's to say that a
team wouldn't make a stupid trade. You know, we could
have some fun with it. Let's on the wild side.
And I also don't think some of the ideas I'm
going to throw out, I think they're unlikely to happen,
but I think all of them are plausible. I'm not
throwing out Broncos trade for Josh Allen or whatever. I
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think all of them could certainly happen in some universe.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Okay, there you go. This is gonna be a fun one.
It was fun even just being creative through it and
trying to figure out different options like that. Zach has
an article coming out too with some trades, and he
won't list all of them today, maybe some of them,
and he's gonna have a team more in an article
coming out soon. But before we get into that, I
want to make sure we hit on some of the topics.
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So some of the breaking news esque things that have happened,
and that is the Broncos coaching moves. It feels like
we are being picked apart out here. Notable names Chris Banjo,
he's going to the Jets to be their special teams coordinator.
Darren Moogie, right, he was an assistant GM. He was
hired here as an introm worked under the Lway days.
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Even he's going off to be the Jets GM coach.
Tight end coach Declan Doyle going to the Bears to
be their offensive coordinator. John Morton, who is the passing
game coordinator hit down here, is going to be the
line offensive coordinator. And then kind of just finishing off
with David Shah is then going to go with him
with the lines to be a pass game coordinator. We
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are being picked apart out here, Zach, what do you
make of all this?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know, I think it's twofold or even threefold maybe one.
I think it's an incredible compliment to the staff the
Denver Broncos have put together. You know, this isn't happening
to bad staffs. This isn't happening to staffs with outdated
ideas either. You know, I know it was a common
talking point in Broncos country this year. You know, Oh,
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Sean Payton's offense is old and outdated. Well, this is
a pretty loud declaration from the NFL and specifically like
the top offensive.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Ecosystems.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Right, everyone's trying to get a piece of Ben Johnson
and his ideas. Well, who does he want a piece
of Sean Payton and Sean Payton's ideas? The Detroit Lions
now scrambling to replace Ben Johnson to keep their offensive flat?
What well do they want to tap into, uh, Sean
Payton and his ideas. So I just I think it's
an amazing compliment to what they've constructed.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And also.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know, should just have Broncos Country feeling more
confident about you know, the ecosystem Sean Payton is going
to be able to construct to get the most out
of bo Nick's over you know, these coming seasons. I
think that's the positive element. The negative element is, you know,
this is a lot of brain drain. You are losing
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a lot of smart minds in those offensive meeting rooms
or game planning rooms, and and that is definitely a negative.
You know, I think the positive spin there is it's
going to force you to bring some new ideas in,
you know, the RAMS offense kind of got back on
track after Sean McVay had to bring in, you know,
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some voices from the Patriots organization and you know, kind
of go outside his typical tree. It led to a
lot of development and growth with that Rams offense. So
it can't end up being a positive thing. But the
brain drain, I do think is a valid concern.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I take it very similar to you,
Zach where one. I think it's a huge compliment to
what the Broncos are doing out here. You mentioned it.
Anyone that's saying the Broncos offense is outdated, the NFL
is clearly telling you right now it's not a matter
of fact. It's what we're looking for. Ben Johnson, Sean
Payton very similar stylistical offenses. And you see guys from
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the Lions getting jobs all overwhere, and you see guys
from the Broncos staff get jobs all over I think though,
the most interesting in the best news about all of
this is the guys that they were able to retain.
When I sit there and think about the most important
coaches part of Sean Payton's staff, you know other than
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Sean Payton, one Zach Streef would come to mind. Of
line coach for the Broncos. He's done a phenomenal job.
Having to replace him would be tough. That is a
I think that is your most important position coach. Every
single time you're higher there is big and when you
have to replace them, you're changing things like stylistically and
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a lot of different things there. These guys are usually
handed the plays and tasked with how we are blocking
these up, so you are changing things stylistically when you
have to replace an offensive line coach. Jim Leonard comes
to mind, defensive back coach was a very successful defensive coordinator.
I was shocked that he wasn't one of the first
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ones gone trying to go get a DC job in
the NFL. And then third, and maybe the most important
out of all of them is Davis Webb. You saw
bo Nicks have a great year this season and he's
this quarterback coach. Younger guy NFL is probably thinking, you know,
he might need a little more seasoning, but the Broncos
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were able to convince him to come back too. So
those three ones are huge. I think they're the three
most important coaches part of the staff. And the fact
that we're getting picked apart right now but still retaining
those guys is.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Huge, fully agree, and it's good that you have some
obvious replacements for some of this brain drain, like Chris
Banjo going out. Well, it seems like Darren Rizzy is
almost certainly going to be the Bronco special teams coordinator.
He's one of the best regarded special teams coordinators in
the league. So you know, I know Banjel's an assistant,
but they kind of with the firing of Katwika or
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co wiccaw where we say it purge that room. But okay,
who's coming in a pretty known asset who he knows
really good at his job. So I think that you
feel good about your point about Davis web You know
you're losing John Morton, that pass game coordinator. I bet
Davis Webb keeps his quarterback coach title, but I bet,
in order to make it a little harder for these
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other NFL teams to pluck him away, that they give
Davis Webb a nicer time this offseason. And it's something
like quarterback coach slash passing game coordinator.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And again, we know Peyton thinks very highly of him.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If Peyton's evaluation of that is right, you know, that
should mitigate some of the brain drain. And I think
that's another element here of these coaches getting hired away.
It is a commentary on Sean Payton's ability to evaluate
coaching talents and build a staff. So it sucks you're
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losing these guys, But who knew Declan Doyle three years ago?
Who knew this John Morton guy three years ago?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And Sean Payton plucked them out and helped them get
to this point. And I think you feel fairly confident
he can do that again. I think the biggest maybe
off season development for the Broncos this entire offseason will
be keeping both Jim Leonard and Vance Joseph. Vance Joseph
had a quote when he went to the Cardinals that
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is always stuck in my head where he talked about
how he thinks it takes three years for a coach
to like install a defensive system right where all the
players know like all the different calls and it can
communicate really smoothly and all the pieces fit together. And
he talked about that value of the third year and
he was really disappointed he didn't get that third year
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in Denver because he felt and I imagine a lot
of people don't feel this way, but he felt that
that third year it would have finally clicked and that
would have been the year his coaching tenure in Denver
really worked out well. Now he's getting that third year
to run this defense in Denver, and so that's something
I'm excited about. And then you're keeping Jim Leonard too,
who looks like one of the best, if not the best,
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defensive backs coach in the league. The physicality the defensive
backs played with last year was amazing. I think he
got better performances out of all them than Christian Parker did.
And Christian Parker is an amazing defensive backs coach in
his own right.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So just then, Zach.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Streef, of course I fully agree there those three retentions
are far more important than the losses and just great
news for Broncos country.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I would be very excited about.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
All those total agreement. Total agreement. And this is let's
move on to a different topic here. It's very similar.
It's coaching that goes with a division rival, that being
the Raiders. They hired Pete Carroll and just recently hired
Chip Kelly as their offensive coordinator. That's a really interesting
one to me. I mean, he's always been a very
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innovative guy. His NFL tenure did not work out, though
obviously this last year of play calling for the Ohio
State buck Eyes they were super successful. He's always had
a really good ground game. That's something I would keep
in mind for people, like they steal Chip Kelly's run
concepts very frequently in the NFL and use them. Zach,
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what do you make of the Chip Kelly.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Higher I'm worried about it As someone who wants the
best for the Broncos, you know, I think this peak
Carroll Higher is great for them. I don't know if
they're going to win a super Bowl with him, but
in terms of like just getting the organization turned around
and back into an adult organization that deserves to be
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taken seriously, I think Pete Carroll's about as good as
they could have done. I don't know if I trust
Ben Johnson, a first time head coach, to turn the
Raiders around. I think Pete Carroll will be able to
get them pointed in the right direction. Not saying that
you know they're gonna be eleven and six or anything
like that, but they're not going to be an easy
out anymore, like they were just even this past season.
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So I think that's But but then the chip Kelly
of it all, it was very apparent to me that
Chip Kelly wanted back in the NFL. I heard, you know,
several different insiders from all these different sources talking about, now,
what do you think about the idea of Chip Kelly
returning as an offensive coordinator? Then you know, I think
he's really happy as an offensive coordinator, but I think
he'd like to prove, you know, he can do it
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in the NFL. And it's like, Okay, well, chip Kelly's
putting this out there. He wants it known. I thought
it might have been Houston. I'm bummed it's going to
be the Raiders. I think he's, like you said, a
very smart, very innovative offensive mind. His first transition into
the NFL didn't quite work, But we haven't seen him
in the NFL since twenty sixteen. Offensive philosophy has changed
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a lot over that time. In twenty seventeen, the Philadelphia
Eagles won a Super Bowl because they broke defensive coordinator's
minds with RPOs and not like complex once they just
introduced RPO and the NFL just minds exploded. They didn't
know what the fuck to do with it, and so
Nick Foles was able to score forty points against Bill
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Belichick at a Super Bowl and win Super Bowl MVP.
But the NFL was a little cro magnet the last
time we saw Chip Kelly trying to.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Integrate his ideas into it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That translation is a lot closer now where I think
he'll have better success and I think he's going to
give advanced Joseph some headaches this season when those two
teams play. Glad that the Raiders are fairly low wattage
on offense though, that helps me rest easy.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, I would say the one concern that you do
have with Chip Kelly, I don't think anyone questions his
philosophies at all. I would say it's very similar to
the Patriots hiring Josh McDaniels in the light that Chip
Kelly in his time in the NFL had a very
rough time building relationships with his players, and constantly to
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this day, you still hear Lashawn McCoy and DeShawn Jackson
and those guys speak bad on him, say that he
was one of the worst coaches they've ever had because
of the way he treated them as players. So it'll
be interesting to see, you know, it's just different. I
think there's some of that you can get away with
in college football, and you do have to adjust a
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little bit dealing with grown men in the NFL. And
that's just something I have my eye out for. If
it goes bad, I would say that's the reason why
it's not going to be because of his philosophy or
offensive scheme.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And potentially supporting that is the fact that we just
saw this Raiders locker room really not work out with
Josh McDaniels. Yeah, you know, lighting up stogies right after
he was fired. That's going to be fresh in a
lot of these players' minds. They might not.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Want to deal with it again.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Now, the flip side of that, I think, you know,
Chip Kelly is the head coach of an operation, there's
more of that expected of him.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
First, you know, now he's an offensive coordinator, it's a
little more okay if he just locks himself away in
his office and is you know, a drawn at place
all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, totally agree, Totally agree. I think overall it's a
good hire for the Raiders there. But let's move into
the main topic today, and this is the blockbuster trades. Zach,
I want one right off the well, actually I want
to I want to do this real quick. All okay,
So again, this is in light of the Luka Doncic trade.
This was a it blew everyone's mind. I don't think
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anyone has to even understand basketball to understand just how
crazy of a trade that was. Just seeing the compensation
and stuff like that. Zach, give me an NFL version
of this trade, like, how bad is it? Like, in
my mind it would be I go, it would be
like trading Matt Stafford for Josh or Matt Stafford in
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a fourth for Josh Allen. That's the way I view it.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I think it's even worse than that.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I think Anthony Davis like he's a star, but he's
not one of those dudes, you know. I think at
this point, I don't think he's a true number one.
I think it's like if you traded Josh Allen for
like Christian McCaffrey and a future first round pick, because
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it's like, this is a guy that because Anthony Davis
kind of towards the end of his career, has the
injury concerns and the motivation behind this trade is like
this outdated idea about like defense wins championships. I think
that'd be a kin to a GM being like you
need an also, you need an elite running back to
win a Super Bowl, and so you trade like Joe
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Burrow or whatever, Josh Allen, one of these you know
everyone wants one of these five quarterbacks desperately. You trade
one of those guys for like a Christian McCaffrey at
a first round pick. It is, it is so stupid
to me. It's going to ruin the mass for like
the next decade, because even if they're a good team,
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it's like, man, imagine how much better this team would
have been if they didn't do that incredibly stupid move.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's it's crazy, man, It is really crazy. And it
even even to put more craziness on it. That first
round pick that they did trade, it's one in the NFL,
you can even do this. It's a twenty twenty nine
first round pick. And first round picks in the NBA
are not worth the same as first round picks in
the NFL, not even close. I would say, like it's
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probably closer to a fourth round pick in value. To
an NBA team compared to an NFL team, So it
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We're talking about the Lakers that are now going to
have Luka Doncic leading their organization for that twenty twenty
eight twenty nine season, worst case scenario, they're a playoff team, like,
it's not going to be.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
A lottery pick. Yeah, it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
It's probably bad out here. It's bad out here, guys,
but we are not a basketball podcast. We just had
to you know, it's the the inspo for the show today.
All right, zech give me your first Broncos trade, Luka
Donca jess blockbuster deal. It doesn't have to be, as
you know, ridiculous, but give me give me a realistic
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blockbuster trade for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Here's a big one and it'll impact the Broncos. Wanted
to tie it back to our last little segment there.
What if the Raiders the quarterback needy Raiders and Pete Carroll,
who you know, the oldest head coach in NFL history,
before he's even co a single game for the Raiders,
he might not want to sit around for this whole
rebuild and trying to get Shador Sanders ready as an
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NFL quarterback. What if they trade you know, that number
six overall pick. I don't even know if they'd have
to go that expensively. I don't know what they'll trade for.
Let's say they swing a deal for a guy I know,
Pete Carroll loves and matches a lot of what Pete
Carroll exudes in terms of, you know, always competing and
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all that jazz.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Geno Smith.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
What if Geno Smith and the Seahawks, you know, they
might be looking to get younger at quarterback. This could
line up well for them. They're this offseason probably gonna
have to make a decision on whether or not they
want to re.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Up with Gino.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
They might decide, hey, it's time for us to take
a bigger swing, and the Raiders might be looking for
a win now option. I think Geno Smith could be
that you pair him with Chip Kelly. I think the
Raiders would be a lot scarier in that universe.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Now, people are gonna yell at you. I already know
in the comment section about uh, that's not blockbuster Gino Smith. Guys,
he's super underappreciated. Geno Smith. I think by the fans
he's a really good quarterback. If you're looking for a
guy to just be efficient in straight drop back passing.
Gino Smith can go toe to toe with almost any
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other quarterbacks in that one facet, and I don't think
the Seahawks did did him well this last year. I
think it would automatically make the Raiders a much better
football team. I'm not even sure, like you said, it
would take a first round pick. I'm imagining something like
second second round pick and some more throw some later
round picks at it as well. Yeah, or like some
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other capital from another the year after that to go
along with that second round pick. Because what you said
his age, I think this one's super realistic. As well.
As you mentioned there's familiarity between him and Pete Carroll
already and then him being as old as he is
at Pete Carroll, I don't think it makes sense in
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the timeline for him to even go out there in draft.
You mentioned Shador Sanders like you might want not be
willing to develop him. I'm willing to put down that
I don't think you will. I mean, it's just this
guy probably realistically, how many more years do we think
he's going to coach? I'm thinking like four tops and
that's and that's tops. I could see three and he's out.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
He signed. To your point, he signed a three year
contract to be the Raiders head coach, which one these guys,
that doesn't mean he's gonna be coaching for three years.
These guys don't very often don't see the end of
those deals. It's rare when like a Mike McCarthy does
see the end of their deal. But to that point,
these coaches normally signed for four or five six years.
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Liam Cohenstal with the Jacks is six years. So when
you see a head coach only sign a three year deal,
it's very notable and odd.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, no, it is, it is. I like that one, Zach.
I think that's realistic as well. I could definitely see
that happen. And if not, Gino, maybe they go out
there and get Kirk Cousins or something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Stafford, I think they could be in the Stafford mix
if the Rooms want to move off him, I.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Would hate that. I think Stafford's a baller out of
all those, I want the Raiders to sign Kirk Cousins
for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Or Russ get the Russ reunion going, Pete Carroll. Those
I think are great realities for the Denver Broncos. Yeah,
I think a Geno Smith, and You're right, he's way undervalued.
I think a good argument in favor of Gino Smith
would be a he again with a worse offensive line
and worse offensive line play than c J. Stroud just
had in Houston, and worse weapons. Frankly, he had a
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better quarterbacking season, so and I think c J. Stroud
deserves to be forgiven for his rough year. It was
really his surroundings. All those arguments we can make for CJ.
Stroud can be made even more so for Gino and
Gino just had a better season, So he's I would say,
on top ten quarterback. I think he's no worse than
a top fifteen quarterback. So that would make the AFC
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West a lot more interesting. What's a what's your first
Luka Doncic esque blockbuster trade?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Joey? So, I like the approach you took of picking
a team where it would affect the Broncos, but I'm
going with a trade the Broncos will make with mine.
I think the Broncos need a number one wide receiver
really bad. I struggle with where they are picking right
now and thinking there's a guy in the draft that
comes in and is that Alpha number one, because that's
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really what they need. They need that Alpha number one
wide receiver. So I'm looking at seeing the Buckers could
get Garrett Wilson for a first round pick and then
maybe some change, I could see something like that happen.
For sure, he fits exactly what they need as a
Z wide receiver that can separate. He fits just part
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of the room. You have your Courtland Son, your big
body X wide receiver. Garrett Wilson fills your kind of
a Z role, and then you have Marvin Mims as
a gadgety player. Maybe you got out in the draft
and you're still able to get replace your little Jordan
Humphrey role there too. And all of a sudden, this
Broncos wide receiver room instead of one of the worst
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team rooms in the league. We're starting to look at
it like, Wow, this is a really well put together
room with the with the move of one player.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And I fully agree.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You know, I think Devon Valley already maybe fills that
little Jordan Humphrey roule with that as that big slot,
you get Sutton there's the X and yeah, I think
you look at that top four with mimes off of
really breakout season being your fourth and this guy you
can just use in that gadget role and feel very
comfortable with that just being a well, not worry about, oh,
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we need to get more out of this guy or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think it would be amazing for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I think Garrett trade Zach would you hardburst and some
like yeah, you would, I do a first and a second.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I was trying to look for comparable deals for my
article on Garrett Wilson, and I think the most comparable
ones are you have to go all the way back
to DeVante Adams and Tyreek Hill, and DeVante Adams goes
to the Raiders for a first and a second round pick.
Tyreek Hill goes to the Dolphins for a first, a second,
two fours and a six. Now, both those guys had
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a lot better stats, more accolades to their name. They
were also, in adams case, three years older. Tyreek Hill
or sorry, Tyrrik Kill was three years older. Adams was
five years older. I think it all balances out, and
he goes around that Adams price tag for like a
first and a second, and I would gladly do it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
In the NFL analysis game, the best wide receiver analyst
theres is Matt Harmon. Has a great site of reception
perception where he charts like every receiver play, are they
winning on their routes? You know, what are they doing
after the catch? What are they doing at the catch point?
It's an invaluable resource. His Garrett Wilson profile is elite.
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It's like this guy is justin Jefferson potentially like just
hiding in playing sight and the quarterback thing just hasn't
worked out for him, which I don't think is a
far fetched story to tell yourself. Had Zach Wilson for
the lion's share of his career and then Aaron Rodgers
is incredibly particular about throwing to guys that are doing
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what he wants them to do. And so that was
going to be Devonte Adams, that was going to be
Alan Lazard, who he had played with for several seasons.
It's going to be who else they have Randall Cobb
and all those guys. And you see the flashes of
brilliance with Garrett Wilson, Like the talent I think is
so apparent. I just I would absolutely snatch him up,
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and yeah, that is the best possible outcome for the Broncos,
and it's I think fairly realistic. I wouldn't bet on
it happening, but they should be calling Mouji up Untilmuji
blocks their damn number.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
With just like different that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That's the thing too. There's obviously a relationship there with
the Juts general manager now and then Garrett Wilson has
made it known that he doesn't really like it down
there right now, So I think it is possible. I
do think it would probably be a little less than
what you're thinking, Zach, just because I am thinking now
would be the time to trade for Garrett Wilson because
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he's coming off of a bad year, and I do
think that affects trade value just year to year production
straight stats. They probably look at that and they're thinking, Okay,
now would be the time to get Still a huge
believer in him, but now it might be the time
to get the most bang for my buck there in
a trade. So I totally agree with you. Do you
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want you want me to give one now another one?
Or do you want to go.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I'll throw one out. I got a good one for you.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
All Right, we're going again, Luka Doncic. Let's wuck some
big swings here. Let's get a little crazy. I think
there's other Titans that are maybe more realistic here. But
let's talk about George Kittle. I I don't think this
is too too crazy. We're talking about a tight end
that has a pretty questionable injury history. He will turn
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thirty two years old next season, and after the twenty
twenty five season he's going to need a new contract,
So he might even be negotiating said contract this off season,
which is also an interesting element because the forty nine
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ers are in maybe not salary cap hell, but they
are in a pretty rough cap.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It could get it could turn into hell exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
So that's the thing. They are staring down the barrel
of some really hard decisions to make, and the one, frankly,
they just they can't keep all these pieces. And not
only do they have to re up with Rock Perry,
they also probably have to re up with Trent Williams,
who's really important, Nick Bosas coming before that long or
before too long.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Tarvarius Ward.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You know, their their best secondary player is a free
agent this year.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
They might want to try and resign him. There it's
a bit of a mess right now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, something has to give, and that's exactly what the
Broncos would need is a tight end in George Kittle,
one that can really block his ass off, one that
can create explosive plays in open field. It even it
brings the same type of juice to an offense. Maybe
not to the extent, but similar Like the Broncos have
no juice part of their part of their offense outside
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Marvin Mims, a Garrett Wilson or a George Kittle, even
on a different role, does it in different ways, but
can still get chunk plays the catch or downfield.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And because he still has a lot more value and
is still a pretty dang good player, he would yield
more for the forty nine ers and trade than Deebo Samuel. Yes,
the forty nine Ers probably would rather trade Deebo Samuel
because he's a worst player and his contract does not
look great right now, especially with his decline. That's why
other teams probably don't want to trade for Deebo Samuel.
I don't know if the Niners will even get it.
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Might be like a seventh round pick, because really, really,
what they're getting is a team taking Deebo Samuel's twenty
million dollars salary off their hands. I don't think it's
going to be a great deal that they get for Debo.
So because of that, they might want to keep him
and they might decide to trade and I pay a
Juwan Jennings or you know, because we're talking big names here,
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a George Kittle, who again, they might look at it
go we're not going to reup with this guy after
next season. Let's get ahead of it and get some
quality picks in return. And then I think it makes
sense for the Denver Bronc because if you don't go
tight end in the first round this year, you're probably
you don't have a great path for an immediate answer
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in twenty twenty five. Yes, we've seen some guys, you know,
blossom their rookie years and have really productive rookie years.
I don't know if any of those guys have been
taken outside you know, the top fifty picks, and the
Broncos only have the one top fifty pick this year,
so I just you know, if it's not a Tyler
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Warren or Cooleston loves Lovelin, how are you getting that
twenty twenty five help at the position. This could be
a great avenue for it, and well, I think it'd
be more costly or you'll give up more than the
Niners will get for debo. I don't think we're talking
about a first round pick here again, thirty one year
old tight end. He's missed a fair share of games.
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He's got a big contract. He's only got one year
left on that contract, so you're going to probably have
to re up with him after you trade him. I
think it's maybe a couple mid round picks, and you know,
sign me up for that while I have a you know,
maybe rookie learn and develop under Kittle for a few
years and in the meantime, I'm giving bow an elite
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weapon to work with.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, I love that. Or you could just
go out there and draft a move tight end and
now all of a sudden, the entire tight end room
is completely different. George Kittle's working that in line role,
like I mentioned earlier, an ass kicker in the block game,
blocking game for you guys that don't know both in
run where Sean Payton and his run scheme, they could
get so creative having him fly around get up field
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on players getting on a double and helping an offensive lineman.
But also, hey, our quarterback needs more time. George Kittle
can sit back there and pass protect. He did it
a lot when when everyone was upset about the Broncos
signing Mike McGlinchey, Mike mclinchy's turned around shout out to him.
A big reason was man Trent Williams is over there
locking things up. George Kittle, He's always on Mike mcglinchy's side,
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just like is an extra guy over there like so
that it would be Uh, that would be an awesome
addition in the blocking game as well. I think you
would see huge production increase. And then you got there
and draft your running back with George can'll stop it.
Broncos might be a top five run game. Uh, that
might have a top five run game next year. Okay,
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I got one for you too, Zach. I have to
preface it before everyone yells at me that I'm not
I'm not necessarily saying that I want all of these
to happen, right, I'm just throwing out ideas. I'm just
throwing out what could happen. And in this situation, the
Broncos aren't the one attaining a player, They're the one
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trading to Luca. That's what's going on right now. I
have the Broncos getting in early to mid second and
some change in exchange for Nick Benito is one that
I have entering the last year of his deal. I
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could see a situation where the Broncos are sitting there thinking,
hell of a pass rusher. But did you see what
happened when we went into that Buffalo game in the playoffs.
We didn't have an edge rusher big enough to help
stop the run at all. And Nick Benito, like I said,
hell of a pass rusher, He's never going to be
that dominant run defender guy. That's just not his game.
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So I could see a situation where the Broncos go
into this thinking, man, he's going to demand a big
paycheck in the offseason. Are we willing to pay that
knowing his deficiencies or should we just cash out now
while he just had the best year of his career.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I don't think it's the craziest idea. I really don't.
I think there's some good arguments to be had about
if you're the Denver Broncos, do you want to give
Nick Benito that you know, Nick Bosa level contract extension,
and I'm sure Broncos country's pricking at it. When I
say Nick Bosa attracting session, that's going to be the
market he's in, folks. You know he when he has
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as many sacks as he does, it's going to be
in that neighborhood. And yeah, if you're the Broncos, maybe
you want to wait an extra season to see more
before you give him that money. But then you're risking
having to pay him even more or him walking in
free agency for absolutely nothing, you know. And again I
think they probably keep Nick Bido. Not the craziest thing
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that they trade him. I just think you would have
you would absolutely have to get a first round pick
in return for him, because you know, I imagine the team
that trades for him is probably a borderline contender, maybe
a team like Buffalo who wants to add a little
pass rush juice to their operation. So it's going to
be at the back of whatever round you receive the
pick in And I think you need to when you
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trade Nick Benito, try and afford yourself some avenue to
finding that guy. Because Cooper's a great player, but he's
not that Ace Ellis Tillman, I think look very promising.
I don't think either of them project to be that ACE.
So I think you would have to get a premium
pick or some sort of premium asset in return.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I do think I like that.
You pointed out also that the Broncos put a second
round pick into a player playing the same position as
Nick Benito last year as well. I think they largely
went into last year thinking that. What went into this
season thinking one of Jonathan Cooper and Nick Benito probably
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aren't around for the longest, so we need to get
ahead of it and draft Jonah Ellis. Now, now what
ended up happening is everyone played better than what we anticipated,
all of them. So now do you just say, Okay,
we're paying both of them and we're just gonna be okay,
you already paid Cooper. Can't go back in time and
not pick Cooper anymore? Right? Are we okay paying two
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edge rushers and like that big contracts now, Nick Benito's
is gonna skyrocket over Jonathan Cooper? But are we okay
sitting there thinking we paid two edge rushers yet I
don't think we have Ace edge rusher, that do it
all guy. So it's interesting thought. I'm not saying I
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want it to happen before everyone yells at me. I
just think it's an interesting thought. At least Zach one
more from you.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, I got I got one more. I'll also go defensive,
but I'll go with them acquiring the defensive talent, so
I don't get yelled at quite as much.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Here.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I've got a couple options that are lading me.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Let's go the.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
More exciting one here.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
One consistent theme in these trades are it's a team
trying to get out of the cham I think that's
what you're going to have to see for these awesome
talents to become available. Teams don't necessarily want to give up,
you know, a Garrett Wilson or whatever, but sometimes their
hands are forced. So one of the teams I looked
at was the Cleveland Browns, and they're facing a really
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tough time potentially with the Deshaun Watson deal and the
fallout of that. It looks like it's going to be
pretty devastating and they're going to have.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
To get cheap at some spots.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
They're also a very analytically minded operation maybe the most
in college or sorry, in the NFL. I think it's then,
you know, the Eagles also come to mind, the Vikings
come to mind, but those are probably the top three
most analytically minded organizations. They generally don't believe in investing
a lot in inside linebacker. Well, right now they have
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one of the highest paid inside linebackers in the league
with Jeremiah Owusu Coromoa. Once this Deshaun Watson, you know,
nuclear fallout starts to hit their salary cap and they
have to, you know, make some hard cuts. Think about
you know, the Broncos moving on from Russell Wilson, they
had to make some hard decisions, like, you know, cutting
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Justin Simmons, one of the better safeties in the league.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
They probably don't.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Do that if their hand isn't for to some extent.
This could be a case here with Jeremiah Husa Cormoa,
where man, we've got to save you know, sixty million dollars,
seventy million dollars.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Okay, Well, here's a dude who can.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Make up a big hunk of that, and he plays
a position we don't believe in investing a ton of
assets into. Plus he would fill what the Broncos need
at that position beautifully in terms of like a great
athlete whose instinctual rangeye can help in the coverage game,
can help blitz, which we know vance Joseph Love is doing.
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I think the biggest concern with this deal is, you know,
he's a lighter body who doesn't really help a ton
in the run game. And that's what the Broncos already
have in that room with Cody Barton and Justin Sternad.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Huge Cody Barton upgrade though.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Exactly it would be a big upgrade on those options.
And also, Cody Barton's an impending free agents this year
who you would have to give money to. Justin Sternad's
going to get a pay raise this year in free agency.
And then Alex Singleton the one guy coming back, he's
coming off in ACL. You probably don't even want him back.
You might cut him. So it's a fresh room kind
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of I'm building it from the ground up. I'm not
worried about does a WUSU Coromoa fit with Barton, because
one he's a much better player and two I think
Barton might be moving on. I can also view it
as Hey, rather than give Barton five million a year.
Let's give a Wusu Coromoa a ten million. Actually wouldn't
even be that, It'd be like seven and a half
million a year. And I can you know, okay, I'm
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paying two and a half million more than I would
have had to anyways, and I'm getting a much better,
younger player with more upside. So I think that would
make a sense, make a lot of sense for the
Denver Broncos. And just like man, that'd be exciting. I've
loved a Joka ever since he was coming out of
Notre Dame and finally getting into Denver I think would
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be a hell of a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
It would be fun. And yeah, I the Broncos haven't
had an athlete at linebacker in quite quite some time.
It's been a really long time since I can honestly
say the Broncos have had like a great athlete at
that position. And that's what Jok would be. He's an
explosive football player. I think you would see, while while
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maybe not standing up and sticking interior linemen that as
much as you'd like the maybe not stacking and shedding
as much as some other options at inside linebacker, probably
more explosive plays on your defense, probably more TfL shooting
gaps like two and stuff like that. And as you
mentioned Vance Joseph, we all know how much he likes
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to blitz. We all know how much he's drafted these
athletic inside linebackers and just not seeing them work. Why
not just trade for the finished product of one of
those type of guys. I think JOK pretty much is
what people thought Isaiah Simmons would be, or very similar
mold like that it is SAT and so yeah, yeah,
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I like that. That's an interesting one, sech.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I just it's not a position you want to try
and cultivate in the draft to the exactly you made.
It's so hard to draft those guys. It's a lot
easier to find them in the veteran market, and there's
not great free agents out there, especially in this year's class.
JOK would be a great way to remedy that. And
it's probably one of the honestly just the safest avenues.
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There's not many other avenues to acquire an off ball
linebacker where you're thinking, oh, yeah, we're getting a really
good off ball linebacker here. You know, at best, it's
a draft projection and this is the position that has
the lowest first round hit rate of any position in
the NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
It's a scary position to draft.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
It is It is It is because it's not a
position that you can just bet on. It's not a
position the NFL on like really liked drafting the most
athletic dudes out there. Those guys always fly up the boards,
and linebackers not one of the positions that always translates
to just drafting the most athletic guy and throwing them
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out there. That's not that linebacker position. A lot of
instincts involved. You need experience at the position. You need
to be able to read what's going on in front
of you with the offensive lineman and react like that.
So it is a hard position to draft most definitely
either way though, And I think this adds to your
argument a little bit here, Zach. If the Broncos go
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out there and you mentioned the guys earlier, Cody Barton,
Alex Singleton, and Justin Strnad, if they run that group
back they failed, that's not good. You don't want that.
Justin Charanad should not be slated as a starting inside
linebacker next year. Alex Singleton probably shouldn't be slated as
a starting inside linebacker last year or this next year.
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I think Cody Barton would probably be your best option
because at least you know what you're getting. He's better
than Stranad. Alex Singleton's more of a question mark. He's
really not that good though, to be doing that, like
Cody Barton could look better, but it needs to be
with a guy we know is actually really solid at
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that inside linebacker position.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Cody Barton just had a career year. Absolutely paying him
for that career year, which still had flaws in it.
It wasn't like he looked like Luke Keekley out there.
Paying him for that career year when he has, you know,
five years prior to it, that suggests he's not that player.
Is always a big risk and literally what the Broncos
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just got burned on with signing Alex Singleton. This was
a guy on low level contracts his entire career. Broncos
signed him on a level, low level, one year deal.
He pops, they signed him to a big year deal.
Immediately he reverts to being the low end contract player.
I do think it's something you have to be worried about.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, yeah, awesome. That was fun. I hope everyone enjoyed
that exercise. That was a blast. Zach, like I mentioned earlier,
he's going to have an article coming out. I think
there's nine, right, nine different trades, blockbuster esque trades the
Broncos could make this offseason to improve their team. Sean
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Payton has never been a guy to shy away from
making a big move. I think that's something people need
to realize. I remember, I mean, in his day, him
trading the Luka Doncic. Do you remember him trading Brandon
Cooks still in his rookie year for a first round pick,
or still in his rookie deal with a first round pick,
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Like he's not afraid to do that. Do you remember
him way up in the draft to draft a defensive
end in Marcus Davenport. Like he's done very aggressive moves before.
He's not afraid to do that. So I wouldn't be
shocked if we wake up one day and the Broncos
just made a big move. Yeah, everyone like
Hello, everybody, Welcome. It's another edition of Let's Talk Broncos.
We are back is off season. I'm in the full
swing of draft season right now. I know Zach is
going to get into it as well. Here Just in
a second, we were texting a little about that today.
This is a fun episode though, I'm excited for it
in light of the crazy Luka Doncic trade that happened,
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well it would be two days ago. It is. We
are going to go through some potential ridiculous, Blockbuster esque
trades that could happen for the Broncos. Maybe not all
the way realistic, right, but either was the Luka Doncic one.
Maybe this opens the door for Hit the Broncos to
start making some cool calls, cool calls around the other
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thirty two teams. So, Zach, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Man, that's way worse all right, I feel much better.
I feel great, Joey, I'm happy to be here on
the show with you. And yeah, like you said, I mean,
who would have thought that Luka Donji trade was realistic?
I've seen so many memes of people trying that trade in,
like the ESPN trade machine trying that trade in an
NBA two K and the computer saying Nope, this trade's
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not realistic, it wouldn't be accepted. You know, it's weird.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Things happen in sports.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
All the time. You know, who's to say that a
team wouldn't make a stupid trade. You know, we could
have some fun with it. Let's on the wild side.
And I also don't think some of the ideas I'm
going to throw out, I think they're unlikely to happen,
but I think all of them are plausible. I'm not
throwing out Broncos trade for Josh Allen or whatever. I
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think all of them could certainly happen in some universe.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Okay, there you go. This is gonna be a fun one.
It was fun even just being creative through it and
trying to figure out different options like that. Zach has
an article coming out too with some trades, and he
won't list all of them today, maybe some of them,
and he's gonna have a team more in an article
coming out soon. But before we get into that, I
want to make sure we hit on some of the topics.
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So some of the breaking news esque things that have happened,
and that is the Broncos coaching moves. It feels like
we are being picked apart out here. Notable names Chris Banjo,
he's going to the Jets to be their special teams coordinator.
Darren Moogie, right, he was an assistant GM. He was
hired here as an introm worked under the Lway days.
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Even he's going off to be the Jets GM coach.
Tight end coach Declan Doyle going to the Bears to
be their offensive coordinator. John Morton, who is the passing
game coordinator hit down here, is going to be the
line offensive coordinator. And then kind of just finishing off
with David Shah is then going to go with him
with the lines to be a pass game coordinator. We
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are being picked apart out here, Zach, what do you
make of all this?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You know, I think it's twofold or even threefold maybe one.
I think it's an incredible compliment to the staff the
Denver Broncos have put together. You know, this isn't happening
to bad staffs. This isn't happening to staffs with outdated
ideas either. You know, I know it was a common
talking point in Broncos country this year. You know, Oh,
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Sean Payton's offense is old and outdated. Well, this is
a pretty loud declaration from the NFL and specifically like
the top offensive.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Ecosystems.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Right, everyone's trying to get a piece of Ben Johnson
and his ideas. Well, who does he want a piece
of Sean Payton and Sean Payton's ideas? The Detroit Lions
now scrambling to replace Ben Johnson to keep their offensive flat?
What well do they want to tap into, uh, Sean
Payton and his ideas. So I just I think it's
an amazing compliment to what they've constructed.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And also.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know, should just have Broncos Country feeling more
confident about you know, the ecosystem Sean Payton is going
to be able to construct to get the most out
of bo Nick's over you know, these coming seasons. I
think that's the positive element. The negative element is, you know,
this is a lot of brain drain. You are losing
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a lot of smart minds in those offensive meeting rooms
or game planning rooms, and and that is definitely a negative.
You know, I think the positive spin there is it's
going to force you to bring some new ideas in,
you know, the RAMS offense kind of got back on
track after Sean McVay had to bring in, you know,
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some voices from the Patriots organization and you know, kind
of go outside his typical tree. It led to a
lot of development and growth with that Rams offense. So
it can't end up being a positive thing. But the
brain drain, I do think is a valid concern.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I take it very similar to you,
Zach where one. I think it's a huge compliment to
what the Broncos are doing out here. You mentioned it.
Anyone that's saying the Broncos offense is outdated, the NFL
is clearly telling you right now it's not a matter
of fact. It's what we're looking for. Ben Johnson, Sean
Payton very similar stylistical offenses. And you see guys from
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the Lions getting jobs all overwhere, and you see guys
from the Broncos staff get jobs all over I think though,
the most interesting in the best news about all of
this is the guys that they were able to retain.
When I sit there and think about the most important
coaches part of Sean Payton's staff, you know other than
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Sean Payton, one Zach Streef would come to mind. Of
line coach for the Broncos. He's done a phenomenal job.
Having to replace him would be tough. That is a
I think that is your most important position coach. Every
single time you're higher there is big and when you
have to replace them, you're changing things like stylistically and
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a lot of different things there. These guys are usually
handed the plays and tasked with how we are blocking
these up, so you are changing things stylistically when you
have to replace an offensive line coach. Jim Leonard comes
to mind, defensive back coach was a very successful defensive coordinator.
I was shocked that he wasn't one of the first
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ones gone trying to go get a DC job in
the NFL. And then third, and maybe the most important
out of all of them is Davis Webb. You saw
bo Nicks have a great year this season and he's
this quarterback coach. Younger guy NFL is probably thinking, you know,
he might need a little more seasoning, but the Broncos
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were able to convince him to come back too. So
those three ones are huge. I think they're the three
most important coaches part of the staff. And the fact
that we're getting picked apart right now but still retaining
those guys is.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Huge, fully agree, and it's good that you have some
obvious replacements for some of this brain drain, like Chris
Banjo going out. Well, it seems like Darren Rizzy is
almost certainly going to be the Bronco special teams coordinator.
He's one of the best regarded special teams coordinators in
the league. So you know, I know Banjel's an assistant,
but they kind of with the firing of Katwika or
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co wiccaw where we say it purge that room. But okay,
who's coming in a pretty known asset who he knows
really good at his job. So I think that you
feel good about your point about Davis web You know
you're losing John Morton, that pass game coordinator. I bet
Davis Webb keeps his quarterback coach title, but I bet,
in order to make it a little harder for these
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other NFL teams to pluck him away, that they give
Davis Webb a nicer time this offseason. And it's something
like quarterback coach slash passing game coordinator.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And again, we know Peyton thinks very highly of him.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If Peyton's evaluation of that is right, you know, that
should mitigate some of the brain drain. And I think
that's another element here of these coaches getting hired away.
It is a commentary on Sean Payton's ability to evaluate
coaching talents and build a staff. So it sucks you're
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losing these guys, But who knew Declan Doyle three years ago?
Who knew this John Morton guy three years ago?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And Sean Payton plucked them out and helped them get
to this point. And I think you feel fairly confident
he can do that again. I think the biggest maybe
off season development for the Broncos this entire offseason will
be keeping both Jim Leonard and Vance Joseph. Vance Joseph
had a quote when he went to the Cardinals that
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is always stuck in my head where he talked about
how he thinks it takes three years for a coach
to like install a defensive system right where all the
players know like all the different calls and it can
communicate really smoothly and all the pieces fit together. And
he talked about that value of the third year and
he was really disappointed he didn't get that third year
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in Denver because he felt and I imagine a lot
of people don't feel this way, but he felt that
that third year it would have finally clicked and that
would have been the year his coaching tenure in Denver
really worked out well. Now he's getting that third year
to run this defense in Denver, and so that's something
I'm excited about. And then you're keeping Jim Leonard too,
who looks like one of the best, if not the best,
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defensive backs coach in the league. The physicality the defensive
backs played with last year was amazing. I think he
got better performances out of all them than Christian Parker did.
And Christian Parker is an amazing defensive backs coach in
his own right.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So just then, Zach.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Streef, of course I fully agree there those three retentions
are far more important than the losses and just great
news for Broncos country.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I would be very excited about.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
All those total agreement. Total agreement. And this is let's
move on to a different topic here. It's very similar.
It's coaching that goes with a division rival, that being
the Raiders. They hired Pete Carroll and just recently hired
Chip Kelly as their offensive coordinator. That's a really interesting
one to me. I mean, he's always been a very
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innovative guy. His NFL tenure did not work out, though
obviously this last year of play calling for the Ohio
State buck Eyes they were super successful. He's always had
a really good ground game. That's something I would keep
in mind for people, like they steal Chip Kelly's run
concepts very frequently in the NFL and use them. Zach,
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what do you make of the Chip Kelly.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Higher I'm worried about it As someone who wants the
best for the Broncos, you know, I think this peak
Carroll Higher is great for them. I don't know if
they're going to win a super Bowl with him, but
in terms of like just getting the organization turned around
and back into an adult organization that deserves to be
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taken seriously, I think Pete Carroll's about as good as
they could have done. I don't know if I trust
Ben Johnson, a first time head coach, to turn the
Raiders around. I think Pete Carroll will be able to
get them pointed in the right direction. Not saying that
you know they're gonna be eleven and six or anything
like that, but they're not going to be an easy
out anymore, like they were just even this past season.
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So I think that's But but then the chip Kelly
of it all, it was very apparent to me that
Chip Kelly wanted back in the NFL. I heard, you know,
several different insiders from all these different sources talking about, now,
what do you think about the idea of Chip Kelly
returning as an offensive coordinator? Then you know, I think
he's really happy as an offensive coordinator, but I think
he'd like to prove, you know, he can do it
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in the NFL. And it's like, Okay, well, chip Kelly's
putting this out there. He wants it known. I thought
it might have been Houston. I'm bummed it's going to
be the Raiders. I think he's, like you said, a
very smart, very innovative offensive mind. His first transition into
the NFL didn't quite work, But we haven't seen him
in the NFL since twenty sixteen. Offensive philosophy has changed
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a lot over that time. In twenty seventeen, the Philadelphia
Eagles won a Super Bowl because they broke defensive coordinator's
minds with RPOs and not like complex once they just
introduced RPO and the NFL just minds exploded. They didn't
know what the fuck to do with it, and so
Nick Foles was able to score forty points against Bill
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Belichick at a Super Bowl and win Super Bowl MVP.
But the NFL was a little cro magnet the last
time we saw Chip Kelly trying to.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Integrate his ideas into it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That translation is a lot closer now where I think
he'll have better success and I think he's going to
give advanced Joseph some headaches this season when those two
teams play. Glad that the Raiders are fairly low wattage
on offense though, that helps me rest easy.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, I would say the one concern that you do
have with Chip Kelly, I don't think anyone questions his
philosophies at all. I would say it's very similar to
the Patriots hiring Josh McDaniels in the light that Chip
Kelly in his time in the NFL had a very
rough time building relationships with his players, and constantly to
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this day, you still hear Lashawn McCoy and DeShawn Jackson
and those guys speak bad on him, say that he
was one of the worst coaches they've ever had because
of the way he treated them as players. So it'll
be interesting to see, you know, it's just different. I
think there's some of that you can get away with
in college football, and you do have to adjust a
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little bit dealing with grown men in the NFL. And
that's just something I have my eye out for. If
it goes bad, I would say that's the reason why
it's not going to be because of his philosophy or
offensive scheme.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And potentially supporting that is the fact that we just
saw this Raiders locker room really not work out with
Josh McDaniels. Yeah, you know, lighting up stogies right after
he was fired. That's going to be fresh in a
lot of these players' minds. They might not.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Want to deal with it again.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Now, the flip side of that, I think, you know,
Chip Kelly is the head coach of an operation, there's
more of that expected of him.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
First, you know, now he's an offensive coordinator, it's a
little more okay if he just locks himself away in
his office and is you know, a drawn at place
all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, totally agree, Totally agree. I think overall it's a
good hire for the Raiders there. But let's move into
the main topic today, and this is the blockbuster trades. Zach,
I want one right off the well, actually I want
to I want to do this real quick. All okay,
So again, this is in light of the Luka Doncic trade.
This was a it blew everyone's mind. I don't think
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anyone has to even understand basketball to understand just how
crazy of a trade that was. Just seeing the compensation
and stuff like that. Zach, give me an NFL version
of this trade, like, how bad is it? Like, in
my mind it would be I go, it would be
like trading Matt Stafford for Josh or Matt Stafford in
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a fourth for Josh Allen. That's the way I view it.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I think it's even worse than that.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I think Anthony Davis like he's a star, but he's
not one of those dudes, you know. I think at
this point, I don't think he's a true number one.
I think it's like if you traded Josh Allen for
like Christian McCaffrey and a future first round pick, because
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it's like, this is a guy that because Anthony Davis
kind of towards the end of his career, has the
injury concerns and the motivation behind this trade is like
this outdated idea about like defense wins championships. I think
that'd be a kin to a GM being like you
need an also, you need an elite running back to
win a Super Bowl, and so you trade like Joe
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Burrow or whatever, Josh Allen, one of these you know
everyone wants one of these five quarterbacks desperately. You trade
one of those guys for like a Christian McCaffrey at
a first round pick. It is, it is so stupid
to me. It's going to ruin the mass for like
the next decade, because even if they're a good team,
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it's like, man, imagine how much better this team would
have been if they didn't do that incredibly stupid move.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's it's crazy, man, It is really crazy. And it
even even to put more craziness on it. That first
round pick that they did trade, it's one in the NFL,
you can even do this. It's a twenty twenty nine
first round pick. And first round picks in the NBA
are not worth the same as first round picks in
the NFL, not even close. I would say, like it's
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probably closer to a fourth round pick in value. To
an NBA team compared to an NFL team, So it
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We're talking about the Lakers that are now going to
have Luka Doncic leading their organization for that twenty twenty
eight twenty nine season, worst case scenario, they're a playoff team, like,
it's not going to be.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
A lottery pick. Yeah, it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
It's probably bad out here. It's bad out here, guys,
but we are not a basketball podcast. We just had
to you know, it's the the inspo for the show today.
All right, zech give me your first Broncos trade, Luka
Donca jess blockbuster deal. It doesn't have to be, as
you know, ridiculous, but give me give me a realistic
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blockbuster trade for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Here's a big one and it'll impact the Broncos. Wanted
to tie it back to our last little segment there.
What if the Raiders the quarterback needy Raiders and Pete Carroll,
who you know, the oldest head coach in NFL history,
before he's even co a single game for the Raiders,
he might not want to sit around for this whole
rebuild and trying to get Shador Sanders ready as an
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NFL quarterback. What if they trade you know, that number
six overall pick. I don't even know if they'd have
to go that expensively. I don't know what they'll trade for.
Let's say they swing a deal for a guy I know,
Pete Carroll loves and matches a lot of what Pete
Carroll exudes in terms of, you know, always competing and
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all that jazz.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Geno Smith.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
What if Geno Smith and the Seahawks, you know, they
might be looking to get younger at quarterback. This could
line up well for them. They're this offseason probably gonna
have to make a decision on whether or not they
want to re.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Up with Gino.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
They might decide, hey, it's time for us to take
a bigger swing, and the Raiders might be looking for
a win now option. I think Geno Smith could be
that you pair him with Chip Kelly. I think the
Raiders would be a lot scarier in that universe.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Now, people are gonna yell at you. I already know
in the comment section about uh, that's not blockbuster Gino Smith. Guys,
he's super underappreciated. Geno Smith. I think by the fans
he's a really good quarterback. If you're looking for a
guy to just be efficient in straight drop back passing.
Gino Smith can go toe to toe with almost any
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other quarterbacks in that one facet, and I don't think
the Seahawks did did him well this last year. I
think it would automatically make the Raiders a much better
football team. I'm not even sure, like you said, it
would take a first round pick. I'm imagining something like
second second round pick and some more throw some later
round picks at it as well. Yeah, or like some
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other capital from another the year after that to go
along with that second round pick. Because what you said
his age, I think this one's super realistic. As well.
As you mentioned there's familiarity between him and Pete Carroll
already and then him being as old as he is
at Pete Carroll, I don't think it makes sense in
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the timeline for him to even go out there in draft.
You mentioned Shador Sanders like you might want not be
willing to develop him. I'm willing to put down that
I don't think you will. I mean, it's just this
guy probably realistically, how many more years do we think
he's going to coach? I'm thinking like four tops and
that's and that's tops. I could see three and he's out.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
He signed. To your point, he signed a three year
contract to be the Raiders head coach, which one these guys,
that doesn't mean he's gonna be coaching for three years.
These guys don't very often don't see the end of
those deals. It's rare when like a Mike McCarthy does
see the end of their deal. But to that point,
these coaches normally signed for four or five six years.
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Liam Cohenstal with the Jacks is six years. So when
you see a head coach only sign a three year deal,
it's very notable and odd.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, no, it is, it is. I like that one, Zach.
I think that's realistic as well. I could definitely see
that happen. And if not, Gino, maybe they go out
there and get Kirk Cousins or something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Stafford, I think they could be in the Stafford mix
if the Rooms want to move off him, I.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Would hate that. I think Stafford's a baller out of
all those, I want the Raiders to sign Kirk Cousins
for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Or Russ get the Russ reunion going, Pete Carroll. Those
I think are great realities for the Denver Broncos. Yeah,
I think a Geno Smith, and You're right, he's way undervalued.
I think a good argument in favor of Gino Smith
would be a he again with a worse offensive line
and worse offensive line play than c J. Stroud just
had in Houston, and worse weapons. Frankly, he had a
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better quarterbacking season, so and I think c J. Stroud
deserves to be forgiven for his rough year. It was
really his surroundings. All those arguments we can make for CJ.
Stroud can be made even more so for Gino and
Gino just had a better season, So he's I would say,
on top ten quarterback. I think he's no worse than
a top fifteen quarterback. So that would make the AFC
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West a lot more interesting. What's a what's your first
Luka Doncic esque blockbuster trade?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Joey? So, I like the approach you took of picking
a team where it would affect the Broncos, but I'm
going with a trade the Broncos will make with mine.
I think the Broncos need a number one wide receiver
really bad. I struggle with where they are picking right
now and thinking there's a guy in the draft that
comes in and is that Alpha number one, because that's
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really what they need. They need that Alpha number one
wide receiver. So I'm looking at seeing the Buckers could
get Garrett Wilson for a first round pick and then
maybe some change, I could see something like that happen.
For sure, he fits exactly what they need as a
Z wide receiver that can separate. He fits just part
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of the room. You have your Courtland Son, your big
body X wide receiver. Garrett Wilson fills your kind of
a Z role, and then you have Marvin Mims as
a gadgety player. Maybe you got out in the draft
and you're still able to get replace your little Jordan
Humphrey role there too. And all of a sudden, this
Broncos wide receiver room instead of one of the worst
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team rooms in the league. We're starting to look at
it like, Wow, this is a really well put together
room with the with the move of one player.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And I fully agree.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You know, I think Devon Valley already maybe fills that
little Jordan Humphrey roule with that as that big slot,
you get Sutton there's the X and yeah, I think
you look at that top four with mimes off of
really breakout season being your fourth and this guy you
can just use in that gadget role and feel very
comfortable with that just being a well, not worry about, oh,
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we need to get more out of this guy or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think it would be amazing for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I think Garrett trade Zach would you hardburst and some
like yeah, you would, I do a first and a second.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I was trying to look for comparable deals for my
article on Garrett Wilson, and I think the most comparable
ones are you have to go all the way back
to DeVante Adams and Tyreek Hill, and DeVante Adams goes
to the Raiders for a first and a second round pick.
Tyreek Hill goes to the Dolphins for a first, a second,
two fours and a six. Now, both those guys had
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a lot better stats, more accolades to their name. They
were also, in adams case, three years older. Tyreek Hill
or sorry, Tyrrik Kill was three years older. Adams was
five years older. I think it all balances out, and
he goes around that Adams price tag for like a
first and a second, and I would gladly do it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
In the NFL analysis game, the best wide receiver analyst
theres is Matt Harmon. Has a great site of reception
perception where he charts like every receiver play, are they
winning on their routes? You know, what are they doing
after the catch? What are they doing at the catch point?
It's an invaluable resource. His Garrett Wilson profile is elite.
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It's like this guy is justin Jefferson potentially like just
hiding in playing sight and the quarterback thing just hasn't
worked out for him, which I don't think is a
far fetched story to tell yourself. Had Zach Wilson for
the lion's share of his career and then Aaron Rodgers
is incredibly particular about throwing to guys that are doing
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what he wants them to do. And so that was
going to be Devonte Adams, that was going to be
Alan Lazard, who he had played with for several seasons.
It's going to be who else they have Randall Cobb
and all those guys. And you see the flashes of
brilliance with Garrett Wilson, Like the talent I think is
so apparent. I just I would absolutely snatch him up,
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and yeah, that is the best possible outcome for the Broncos,
and it's I think fairly realistic. I wouldn't bet on
it happening, but they should be calling Mouji up Untilmuji
blocks their damn number.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
With just like different that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That's the thing too. There's obviously a relationship there with
the Juts general manager now and then Garrett Wilson has
made it known that he doesn't really like it down
there right now, So I think it is possible. I
do think it would probably be a little less than
what you're thinking, Zach, just because I am thinking now
would be the time to trade for Garrett Wilson because
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he's coming off of a bad year, and I do
think that affects trade value just year to year production
straight stats. They probably look at that and they're thinking, Okay,
now would be the time to get Still a huge
believer in him, but now it might be the time
to get the most bang for my buck there in
a trade. So I totally agree with you. Do you
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want you want me to give one now another one?
Or do you want to go.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I'll throw one out. I got a good one for you.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
All Right, we're going again, Luka Doncic. Let's wuck some
big swings here. Let's get a little crazy. I think
there's other Titans that are maybe more realistic here. But
let's talk about George Kittle. I I don't think this
is too too crazy. We're talking about a tight end
that has a pretty questionable injury history. He will turn
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thirty two years old next season, and after the twenty
twenty five season he's going to need a new contract,
So he might even be negotiating said contract this off season,
which is also an interesting element because the forty nine
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ers are in maybe not salary cap hell, but they
are in a pretty rough cap.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It could get it could turn into hell exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
So that's the thing. They are staring down the barrel
of some really hard decisions to make, and the one, frankly,
they just they can't keep all these pieces. And not
only do they have to re up with Rock Perry,
they also probably have to re up with Trent Williams,
who's really important, Nick Bosas coming before that long or
before too long.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Tarvarius Ward.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You know, their their best secondary player is a free
agent this year.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
They might want to try and resign him. There it's
a bit of a mess right now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, something has to give, and that's exactly what the
Broncos would need is a tight end in George Kittle,
one that can really block his ass off, one that
can create explosive plays in open field. It even it
brings the same type of juice to an offense. Maybe
not to the extent, but similar Like the Broncos have
no juice part of their part of their offense outside
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Marvin Mims, a Garrett Wilson or a George Kittle, even
on a different role, does it in different ways, but
can still get chunk plays the catch or downfield.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
And because he still has a lot more value and
is still a pretty dang good player, he would yield
more for the forty nine ers and trade than Deebo Samuel. Yes,
the forty nine Ers probably would rather trade Deebo Samuel
because he's a worst player and his contract does not
look great right now, especially with his decline. That's why
other teams probably don't want to trade for Deebo Samuel.
I don't know if the Niners will even get it.
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Might be like a seventh round pick, because really, really,
what they're getting is a team taking Deebo Samuel's twenty
million dollars salary off their hands. I don't think it's
going to be a great deal that they get for Debo.
So because of that, they might want to keep him
and they might decide to trade and I pay a
Juwan Jennings or you know, because we're talking big names here,
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a George Kittle, who again, they might look at it
go we're not going to reup with this guy after
next season. Let's get ahead of it and get some
quality picks in return. And then I think it makes
sense for the Denver Bronc because if you don't go
tight end in the first round this year, you're probably
you don't have a great path for an immediate answer
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in twenty twenty five. Yes, we've seen some guys, you know,
blossom their rookie years and have really productive rookie years.
I don't know if any of those guys have been
taken outside you know, the top fifty picks, and the
Broncos only have the one top fifty pick this year,
so I just you know, if it's not a Tyler
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Warren or Cooleston loves Lovelin, how are you getting that
twenty twenty five help at the position. This could be
a great avenue for it, and well, I think it'd
be more costly or you'll give up more than the
Niners will get for debo. I don't think we're talking
about a first round pick here again, thirty one year
old tight end. He's missed a fair share of games.
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He's got a big contract. He's only got one year
left on that contract, so you're going to probably have
to re up with him after you trade him. I
think it's maybe a couple mid round picks, and you know,
sign me up for that while I have a you know,
maybe rookie learn and develop under Kittle for a few
years and in the meantime, I'm giving bow an elite
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weapon to work with.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, I love that. Or you could just
go out there and draft a move tight end and
now all of a sudden, the entire tight end room
is completely different. George Kittle's working that in line role,
like I mentioned earlier, an ass kicker in the block game,
blocking game for you guys that don't know both in
run where Sean Payton and his run scheme, they could
get so creative having him fly around get up field
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on players getting on a double and helping an offensive lineman.
But also, hey, our quarterback needs more time. George Kittle
can sit back there and pass protect. He did it
a lot when when everyone was upset about the Broncos
signing Mike McGlinchey, Mike mclinchy's turned around shout out to him.
A big reason was man Trent Williams is over there
locking things up. George Kittle, He's always on Mike mcglinchy's side,
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just like is an extra guy over there like so
that it would be Uh, that would be an awesome
addition in the blocking game as well. I think you
would see huge production increase. And then you got there
and draft your running back with George can'll stop it.
Broncos might be a top five run game. Uh, that
might have a top five run game next year. Okay,
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I got one for you too, Zach. I have to
preface it before everyone yells at me that I'm not
I'm not necessarily saying that I want all of these
to happen, right, I'm just throwing out ideas. I'm just
throwing out what could happen. And in this situation, the
Broncos aren't the one attaining a player, They're the one
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trading to Luca. That's what's going on right now. I
have the Broncos getting in early to mid second and
some change in exchange for Nick Benito is one that
I have entering the last year of his deal. I
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could see a situation where the Broncos are sitting there thinking,
hell of a pass rusher. But did you see what
happened when we went into that Buffalo game in the playoffs.
We didn't have an edge rusher big enough to help
stop the run at all. And Nick Benito, like I said,
hell of a pass rusher, He's never going to be
that dominant run defender guy. That's just not his game.
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So I could see a situation where the Broncos go
into this thinking, man, he's going to demand a big
paycheck in the offseason. Are we willing to pay that
knowing his deficiencies or should we just cash out now
while he just had the best year of his career.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I don't think it's the craziest idea. I really don't.
I think there's some good arguments to be had about
if you're the Denver Broncos, do you want to give
Nick Benito that you know, Nick Bosa level contract extension,
and I'm sure Broncos country's pricking at it. When I
say Nick Bosa attracting session, that's going to be the
market he's in, folks. You know he when he has
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as many sacks as he does, it's going to be
in that neighborhood. And yeah, if you're the Broncos, maybe
you want to wait an extra season to see more
before you give him that money. But then you're risking
having to pay him even more or him walking in
free agency for absolutely nothing, you know. And again I
think they probably keep Nick Bido. Not the craziest thing
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that they trade him. I just think you would have
you would absolutely have to get a first round pick
in return for him, because you know, I imagine the team
that trades for him is probably a borderline contender, maybe
a team like Buffalo who wants to add a little
pass rush juice to their operation. So it's going to
be at the back of whatever round you receive the
pick in And I think you need to when you
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trade Nick Benito, try and afford yourself some avenue to
finding that guy. Because Cooper's a great player, but he's
not that Ace Ellis Tillman, I think look very promising.
I don't think either of them project to be that ACE.
So I think you would have to get a premium
pick or some sort of premium asset in return.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I do think I like that.
You pointed out also that the Broncos put a second
round pick into a player playing the same position as
Nick Benito last year as well. I think they largely
went into last year thinking that. What went into this
season thinking one of Jonathan Cooper and Nick Benito probably
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aren't around for the longest, so we need to get
ahead of it and draft Jonah Ellis. Now, now what
ended up happening is everyone played better than what we anticipated,
all of them. So now do you just say, Okay,
we're paying both of them and we're just gonna be okay,
you already paid Cooper. Can't go back in time and
not pick Cooper anymore? Right? Are we okay paying two
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edge rushers and like that big contracts now, Nick Benito's
is gonna skyrocket over Jonathan Cooper? But are we okay
sitting there thinking we paid two edge rushers yet I
don't think we have Ace edge rusher, that do it
all guy. So it's interesting thought. I'm not saying I
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want it to happen before everyone yells at me. I
just think it's an interesting thought. At least Zach one
more from you.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, I got I got one more. I'll also go defensive,
but I'll go with them acquiring the defensive talent, so
I don't get yelled at quite as much.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Here.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I've got a couple options that are lading me.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Let's go the.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
More exciting one here.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
One consistent theme in these trades are it's a team
trying to get out of the cham I think that's
what you're going to have to see for these awesome
talents to become available. Teams don't necessarily want to give up,
you know, a Garrett Wilson or whatever, but sometimes their
hands are forced. So one of the teams I looked
at was the Cleveland Browns, and they're facing a really
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tough time potentially with the Deshaun Watson deal and the
fallout of that. It looks like it's going to be
pretty devastating and they're going to have.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
To get cheap at some spots.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
They're also a very analytically minded operation maybe the most
in college or sorry, in the NFL. I think it's then,
you know, the Eagles also come to mind, the Vikings
come to mind, but those are probably the top three
most analytically minded organizations. They generally don't believe in investing
a lot in inside linebacker. Well, right now they have
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one of the highest paid inside linebackers in the league
with Jeremiah Owusu Coromoa. Once this Deshaun Watson, you know,
nuclear fallout starts to hit their salary cap and they
have to, you know, make some hard cuts. Think about
you know, the Broncos moving on from Russell Wilson, they
had to make some hard decisions, like, you know, cutting
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Justin Simmons, one of the better safeties in the league.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
They probably don't.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Do that if their hand isn't for to some extent.
This could be a case here with Jeremiah Husa Cormoa,
where man, we've got to save you know, sixty million dollars,
seventy million dollars.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Okay, Well, here's a dude who can.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Make up a big hunk of that, and he plays
a position we don't believe in investing a ton of
assets into. Plus he would fill what the Broncos need
at that position beautifully in terms of like a great
athlete whose instinctual rangeye can help in the coverage game,
can help blitz, which we know vance Joseph Love is doing.
(38:33):
I think the biggest concern with this deal is, you know,
he's a lighter body who doesn't really help a ton
in the run game. And that's what the Broncos already
have in that room with Cody Barton and Justin Sternad.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Huge Cody Barton upgrade though.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Exactly it would be a big upgrade on those options.
And also, Cody Barton's an impending free agents this year
who you would have to give money to. Justin Sternad's
going to get a pay raise this year in free agency.
And then Alex Singleton the one guy coming back, he's
coming off in ACL. You probably don't even want him back.
You might cut him. So it's a fresh room kind
(39:07):
of I'm building it from the ground up. I'm not
worried about does a WUSU Coromoa fit with Barton, because
one he's a much better player and two I think
Barton might be moving on. I can also view it
as Hey, rather than give Barton five million a year.
Let's give a Wusu Coromoa a ten million. Actually wouldn't
even be that, It'd be like seven and a half
million a year. And I can you know, okay, I'm
(39:29):
paying two and a half million more than I would
have had to anyways, and I'm getting a much better,
younger player with more upside. So I think that would
make a sense, make a lot of sense for the
Denver Broncos. And just like man, that'd be exciting. I've
loved a Joka ever since he was coming out of
Notre Dame and finally getting into Denver I think would
(39:49):
be a hell of a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
It would be fun. And yeah, I the Broncos haven't
had an athlete at linebacker in quite quite some time.
It's been a really long time since I can honestly
say the Broncos have had like a great athlete at
that position. And that's what Jok would be. He's an
explosive football player. I think you would see, while while
(40:12):
maybe not standing up and sticking interior linemen that as
much as you'd like the maybe not stacking and shedding
as much as some other options at inside linebacker, probably
more explosive plays on your defense, probably more TfL shooting
gaps like two and stuff like that. And as you
mentioned Vance Joseph, we all know how much he likes
(40:32):
to blitz. We all know how much he's drafted these
athletic inside linebackers and just not seeing them work. Why
not just trade for the finished product of one of
those type of guys. I think JOK pretty much is
what people thought Isaiah Simmons would be, or very similar
mold like that it is SAT and so yeah, yeah,
(40:55):
I like that. That's an interesting one, sech.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I just it's not a position you want to try
and cultivate in the draft to the exactly you made.
It's so hard to draft those guys. It's a lot
easier to find them in the veteran market, and there's
not great free agents out there, especially in this year's class.
JOK would be a great way to remedy that. And
it's probably one of the honestly just the safest avenues.
(41:20):
There's not many other avenues to acquire an off ball
linebacker where you're thinking, oh, yeah, we're getting a really
good off ball linebacker here. You know, at best, it's
a draft projection and this is the position that has
the lowest first round hit rate of any position in
the NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
It's a scary position to draft.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
It is It is It is because it's not a
position that you can just bet on. It's not a
position the NFL on like really liked drafting the most
athletic dudes out there. Those guys always fly up the boards,
and linebackers not one of the positions that always translates
to just drafting the most athletic guy and throwing them
(41:58):
out there. That's not that linebacker position. A lot of
instincts involved. You need experience at the position. You need
to be able to read what's going on in front
of you with the offensive lineman and react like that.
So it is a hard position to draft most definitely
either way though, And I think this adds to your
argument a little bit here, Zach. If the Broncos go
(42:21):
out there and you mentioned the guys earlier, Cody Barton,
Alex Singleton, and Justin Strnad, if they run that group
back they failed, that's not good. You don't want that.
Justin Charanad should not be slated as a starting inside
linebacker next year. Alex Singleton probably shouldn't be slated as
a starting inside linebacker last year or this next year.
(42:44):
I think Cody Barton would probably be your best option
because at least you know what you're getting. He's better
than Stranad. Alex Singleton's more of a question mark. He's
really not that good though, to be doing that, like
Cody Barton could look better, but it needs to be
with a guy we know is actually really solid at
(43:05):
that inside linebacker position.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Cody Barton just had a career year. Absolutely paying him
for that career year, which still had flaws in it.
It wasn't like he looked like Luke Keekley out there.
Paying him for that career year when he has, you know,
five years prior to it, that suggests he's not that player.
Is always a big risk and literally what the Broncos
(43:27):
just got burned on with signing Alex Singleton. This was
a guy on low level contracts his entire career. Broncos
signed him on a level, low level, one year deal.
He pops, they signed him to a big year deal.
Immediately he reverts to being the low end contract player.
I do think it's something you have to be worried about.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, yeah, awesome. That was fun. I hope everyone enjoyed
that exercise. That was a blast. Zach, like I mentioned earlier,
he's going to have an article coming out. I think
there's nine, right, nine different trades, blockbuster esque trades the
Broncos could make this offseason to improve their team. Sean
(44:06):
Payton has never been a guy to shy away from
making a big move. I think that's something people need
to realize. I remember, I mean, in his day, him
trading the Luka Doncic. Do you remember him trading Brandon
Cooks still in his rookie year for a first round pick,
or still in his rookie deal with a first round pick,
(44:26):
Like he's not afraid to do that. Do you remember
him way up in the draft to draft a defensive
end in Marcus Davenport. Like he's done very aggressive moves before.
He's not afraid to do that. So I wouldn't be
shocked if we wake up one day and the Broncos
just made a big move. Yeah, everyone like
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