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Speaker 1 (01:19):
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I'm Pamela Bobb, your host, greetor and star of Living
on a Prairie. I'm here with you know her. You
love our prairie bitch and she's really a bitch in
this when we were just talking about it, she's terrible.
We love her, Alison Arngram here she is, and our
lovable hashtag imaginary boyfriend Dean Butler. Although I'm sure you

(01:40):
have a bitch side to you somewhere, Dean. We all do,
all right.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Well, I don't know if I want to go to
bitch side. But it can get a little it can
get a little rough sometimes, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
See.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
I think the thing that's so when you talk about Allison,
what Allison did, it is that there was always this
sense of yes, pleasure in this.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
She's Hannibal Lecter.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
I mean you know that's she wasn't just awful, she was,
but she was working actively.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yes, yes, absolutely planned and pleasured. Yes. Yes, which as
an actor is the more fun way to go about it,
for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Oh my god, of course, I mean that's like one
of the great.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, Alison, you were just saying before we pressed record
on this thing, but you were just saying, oh yeah.
I started this episode looking at myself going oh yeah,
and then immediately went to oh yeah, oh no, And
that was my reaction exactly, like, oh, here's another Allison episode.
Oh no, she's horrible, but in the best way ever.

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That's why we leave you.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
But oh my god, Yes, this is one of those
therapy episodes.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful spring day here, and
shut up, I think up high.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Not fair seven eight.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
But if you go to.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Eighty two tomorrow, yeah, and it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous, the
sun and the trees, little birdies. Yeah, it'll be eighty
four eight four on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
This is doing Nelly hardcore right now. Terrible. She's a
terrible person.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
So all right, so tell us how it is for you.
I mean, you are in such a so much of
the country is in the situation that you're in right now, Pamela,
So what what.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Is agrease currently? And it's gonna be that sweet for
the rest of the month, like all of February. So
the thing is is that usually when it smooths in
New York, you know, there's snow, and then a week
later with the temperature rises a bit and it all
melts and it's done this and.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
It's slash and you're getting your feet wet.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, and going nowhere and that I don't know
if you've seen. There's video, but it shows like the
difference between how places like you know, let's say Chicago
or Toronto or police places that are equipped to normalize
the cold and the snow right how they clean up
the streets and the sidewalks and it's very efficient and

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works really well, and New York is not quite up
to task for that. So it's and it's a walking city,
as we know. So if you're lucky, you get on
some sidewalks that have been shoveled. But if they have
been shoveled, I don't know if you've Also there are
also all these videos of just New Yorkers walking in
a single line, which is unheard of. But you're walking

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in a single line because there's only a foot long,
you know, wide space that has been shoveled for you
to walk through the ice. Also, they always are not shoveled,
so you still have to climb through the snow to
cross a street or to get across a corner, and
it's icy and hard. Like at this point, it's acted
and it's icy and it's hard. So just walking is

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really difficult there.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I'm just imagining, Pamela, there's gonna be a lot.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Of trips to the emergency room or you know, I
mean a lot of falling going on this month.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's gonna be tough.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
People are just if they can stay in. They're just
staying in because it's just too difficult to be out there,
even just walking the dog is like, oh absolutely, So anyway,
that's me the East Coast represent.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Yeah, well so so like Allison here, I'm in northern California.
I'm just I'm from east of southeast of San Francisco,
and uh it is it's like, you know, sixty one
degrees this morning and blue sky and I'm looking out
the window from from our the old family ranch, looking

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into San Francisco forty miles away, and uh it's you know,
it's a pretty I've got a I've got a coal
oil lamp lit this morning to honor my uh my
prairie roots passed. And yeah, if you could see this place.
I mean in that narrow shot, you really can't see it.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
In the wider shot. I'm in this house that was.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Built in nineteen o six, and you know it's it's
really it's family, charming, lovely spot.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
You know, it's really family and it's not brutal cold.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, there's that every time again, I've said to you
every time this year, I'm like, why do I live here? Why?
Why do I?

Speaker 5 (06:37):
And you, of course you love the snow, yeah, love
the snow, love the cold.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, I have to say I am taught too. It's
not like I am a summer person. Oh oh then yeah, no,
I did. I like mid isn't San Diego known for
like street a town that's like seventy two long.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's on the water.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
That's a great water.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
That's what I am told that I was a bambino
in New York. I was born in New York. That
the apartment we were in in Engld.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
This is my fast.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
My parents are saying, boy, it's really cold. It was
one of those like blizzard, serious blizzards, and I was
like this one and it was super bl They're like, man,
it is called nic you know he works here why
is it so drafty? You know, I think it's cold.
Did somebody leave a window open? It's awfully cold. We
better check on the baby. And they came into my
room and the window was open, like they said that much.

(07:30):
They said it was just a crack. But the wind
was blowing hard. And I was sitting in my crib
going yay, And there was about a three foot snow
drift in my room because it had winded power driven.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Wow under the crack and it was.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Just piling up. But I was going and they're like,
and that's why it's freezing in this apartment. Moved the
baby closed? Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you can get a
snow drift in your house if you don't close the window.
New York, it can happen, do you guys also in California.
I know it's a very New York thing.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean it's a thing that you know, you have
these old buildings, these old apartment buildings, these old houses,
and so when the radiate, when the heat goes on,
the radiators have a clank clank. I mean it sounds
like it sounds like there is a the tin man
is battling on the pipe Plankty clank, so things get
loud too. Do you guys have that over there? Is

(08:20):
that a that like a very neat thing?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Really we have?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I think that is a very New York thing.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
My my my mother lives in a building that is.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
I don't know, probably early nineteen hundreds built. So you know,
it's got a different kind of heating.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
It's so but you know what's so cool about that,
waits what's warm about it actually is that it's very
thick walls, it's brick, it's you know, so it stays
very temperate inside. It can get very hot outside, it
can get very cold outside, and the apartment stays pretty constant.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
I think Jimmy Fallon just last past week posted on
his social media just a video of him sitting in
his office in a Rockefeller Center.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
I'm sorry to know who is this in his office.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
On Rockefeller Center and it's just him. He doesn't speak,
It's just him sitting on his couch with the radiator
in the back, and all you do is all you
hear is just the clank, clank, clank clank a minute straight.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
That's the old city noise. In LA we don't have
buildings that old. And if there are a few, and yes,
you know, clankeny clank, but generally, first of all are
desperate cold. You don't need all that, And it doesn't
get that call if it goes to if it goes
to below forty, it's like a mash national panic. You know.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
It's just so interesting about thirty Rock is that it's
it's such an iconic building on the outside and you
look at it, it's just got this amazing look to it,
and the everything around it is fantastic. And then you
go inside to thirty Rock and you go upstairs to
the offices and you sort of go, at least where
I've been to at NBC upstairs, it's like, eh, this

(10:06):
isn't so.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Great building up here?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Video is in it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah, And it's you that today is like Today's show
is like packed into thirty Rock, and it's it's amazing
what they get done there.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
It's because there's just no space.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
But it's, uh, it's not this when you go to
NBC's facilities in Connecticut where it's open and airy and
building yeah oh new buildings, yeah, and they are. It's
a whole different experience. But thirty Rock is uh, is
not all it's cracked up to be. I can imagine
Jimmy fallon with the sound of the you know, the

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metal clanging.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
In the back.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Also talking about before we recorded, just like how did
people survive this? The winters like this, like how did
they do it? And it reminds me of I've talked
about the show a million times because it's so Prairie
Frontier House, which is a PBS show that our friend
Chris was the historic uh expert I suppose for it.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
I love that what did he know about living in.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
That a lot of books? He's read a lot of books.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
About But that's the show where they had the people
volunteers to yumber one game show. I used to laugh.
I would tune in to laugh because I only had
to do that for a few hours to day and
I got paid.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, And it wasn't that.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
I had to build their time everything that the pioneers
actually did and the whole and they of the three
or I think it was three or four months that
they're out here living last pioneers actually did, which is fast.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
And I would tune into laughing.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
My god, it was the most fascinating show ever.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
You volunteer.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Final test is the last day that they're doing this
show is that historian comes and sees how much would
they have chopped to see if it have lasted them
through the winter. And I think out of all of
the people on it, maybe one person chopped enough wood
that would And they spent three months chopping wood. I

(12:12):
mean that was like the day. Yeah, that's incredible chopping
wood and all of them we talk about this winter.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah, no, we talk about this all the time when
we're talking about it's that that farmer's life where what
you do today is so essential to what your life
is like next week, next month, three months from now.
There's no running to home depot to pick up some
firewood or whatever. I mean, it's just like you you
either do it or you're not going to survive. And

(12:40):
I think when people fantasize about how great it would be.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
At that time, I just you know, they really aren't.
They're thinking about the idyllic.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Look and it's looked, Yeah, that was a tough, tough life.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, my dad grew up on a farm, great depression.
I mean it was like, yes, Dickens, he was an
orphanage hardly oh my got but okay, so it's a
great depression. So that's a while back. But they were
also in Mozarts of Scatchuan, in the middle of freaking
nowhere on the prairie, and they had a lot of
equipment from the eighteen hundreds. Of the house was out
of eighteen ninety eight, so they were living at eighteen eighties,

(13:17):
a little nineteen. There's way back stuff. And he said, okay, warped.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
We had heat in the house. We did have heat.
There was like a steam thing going on. He says.
We weren't like completely primitive, although we had the wood
burning stuff, he said, but it was so cold in Saskatchewan,
and anyways, a scatus watching worse. That's what I'm talking about.
They would take kalmanore and rolls of brown paper and
you'd go all the way around the house outside and

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you dig and you dig down andy foot couple of feet,
you know, around the baseboards outside of the house, around
the edge, and just make a little space between the
earth and the house a little bit. And in that
little pocket you would pack as much kalmanore as you
could against the base of the house, cover it with
the paper, and then pack it with earth as insulation.
Don't mis pot. Don't why shiealed it? Insulation of those

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drafts that would come in from the bottom of the
floorboards because the earth.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh oh got it? Okay, the ground.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Is frozen solid. There's a drift of snow six foot
high all the way where you're like that episode at
climb out the window. You're like throws in the so
that cold on the bottom would get so cold. But
you've pacticed manversy right away. You've created layer of insulation
between the massive amounts of snow and the bottom of
your house, the floor and the coalminure. Yes, it would
decompose and generate a small amount of really heat.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
That's interesting, yes, and with.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Vapor and earth. He said, it was amazing the difference
it made. I mean, yes, they had heat, but you
could feel the heat because you had sealed ey smell
or could you even smell it at that point? Luckily
we get cold enough you wouldn't, he said. While you
were doing it, you could smell it. It was oh yeah,
it was like which chore would you like today? No,

(14:55):
I'll clean the pig pan. I'll clean the pig pan.
Please don't make me, don't make me do my God,
I'll be the chickens. Yeah, it was like you really.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Didn't want about your dad. Man, his life is so fascinating.
Your mother's life is as saying too. But every time
you tell your.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
My dad should be musical, though, I think my mother
should be musical. Really it's that much funny.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
No, no, no, it's well it sounds like I did,
but you haven't known you known your dad a little bit.
I I definitely get the musical side of it, and uh, yeah,
that would have been a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Your dad had a real Your dad.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Had a real spirit of uh sort of mischief about him,
and you know, I mean.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Just the smile, the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
He just was very world wise and sort of always
always a sort of a step ahead of what was
going on, and you just sort of saw that in
his eyes. I mean, I didn't have these conversations with him,
you just sort of felt like he knew so tumble.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
But he had milked all thes to go from where
he started to what he became and made of himself
is just, I.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Mean, just really wild incredible.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Pamela, I think we should take us to this episode
because we're or this this yes, this episode, because we
could do, we can ourselves.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Okay, I'm going to read a line that Dean wrote
that is so poetic. Here it is on this episod.
I'm gonna do my podcast podcast voice. On this episode
we consider the pain and the allure of keeping the
world in focus. What episode are.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
So good?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
But first before we dove into that from U BI
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com and our wonderful patrons. This is the Little House
on the Prairie fiftieth anniversary podcast. Okay, Dean did it?

(17:14):
What are we doing today?

Speaker 4 (17:16):
So all right, So just on that allure thing, I
went through my.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Sorry the right word so anyway, yeah, I thought allure
was a word for this.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
All right.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
So today, if you haven't figured it out yet, today
we are talking about episode two of season.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Two, another season Eyes.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yes, yes, another season yes, So we're jumping earlier, earlier
into season.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Two, season two. Good stuff going on.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
This is a really important episode of Little House four Eyes,
which debuted September seventeenth, nineteen seventy five. Written by B. W. Sanderford,
directed by William F.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Claxton.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
I think really one of his shot by Buzz Bogs.
This was really a beautiful episode. Interestingly, it was This
was not one of those episodes where they were going
to Sonora, Arizona. This was entirely This felt like it
was entirely shot a big sky and yet it had
a much bigger feel than that to it. And some

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beautiful cinematic shots which we'll talk about Allison, what what
is four eyes about?

Speaker 4 (18:26):
And you know, because you may And then.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I have a question about what was his name? Buzz
Buzz Bogs?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Who is he? And and and Sanderford wrote a lot.
He would a lot. We have a lot of script
a lot of scripts.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Okay, he produced a lot in seasons one and two,
he produced thirty seven episodes season.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Well, this one is a doozy and accorded to the notes,
Mary is excited to receive a pair her brand new
glasses at first, but her excitement fades when other students
relentlessly teaser or other student would be you me, uh yeah,
even after Miss Beadle points out her own pair of glasses,
I know as we don't go after her and thank
you very much, Mary decides to lose oopsies her glasses

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until miss Beadle unwittingly shows her that she does not
need to worry about her glasses, making her look in.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
The run fat.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Many fans wrote in after this episode to share how
four Eyes have held their children cope with similar situations
in their life.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
So I think this is what makes this episode so important.
Talk about something that is an everyday thing.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I wore my glasses.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's right, I'm wearing that and in honor everyone. See
that's the things I get. Well, we will talk about that.
Oh mi ani Mary? Oh do I have bullying? Okay?
Mary ingles Wally Crow's residence.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
This is Alison.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
What you're reading now is sort of the or the
more disruptive part. That's the short summary. Now you're getting
a longer summary.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
The longer but you know the thing. So you know,
Mary's your rechiever. And then oh no, oh no, what
is happening. She can't see she can't her school. Now
this is also spooky because it's like foreshadowing she's going
to go blind. Aha, it's like hand, t haand tent.
But they go to the eye doctor and they get
to the glasses and it's great. Enter nelli Elson, who
insisted Mary's new spectacles will destroy her beauty and her appeal.

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So Mary decides she'd rather fail school than be four eyes.
By the end, Mary wisely chooses eyesight over vanity.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah sure, yeah yeah, and the morally.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Your grades improve when you can actually see the assignments,
and we can always count on Nelly Elson to be horrible.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yes, yes, yes, okay, So question you said? Shot by
Haskell Buzz Bogs? Was this a cinematogapher was? Who was he?
And was it rare that he did an episode?

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (20:56):
So no, So we had two primary cinematographers on the house,
Ted boyd Lander, who was Michael's DP of choice. When
Michael was directing, Ted was shooting, although I'm sure Buzz
shots some of Michael's shows too, But Buzz and Buzz
and Ted had very different approaches, but they rotated episode

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to episode For the most part, I think that Ted
shot in a very naturalistic way. He wanted like what
he did night Night was a more a much more
subtle kind of night. Lamplight was a very subtle, beautiful lamplight.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Buzz was a more effect.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
He was older man, but his like when Ted, when
Buzz shot Night it was blue night, he hewed it blue.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
So it just that's how he created that feeling.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
But this episode, you know, I always think of Ted
as shooting these beautiful cinematic shots.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
There are some really fun in.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
This episode and this is this is you know, this
is Bill Claxton working with buzz Uh and they craft
some of these really cool shots, which we'll talk about
when we get to them. But the biggest difference, as
I said, I think is night Ted's night. Ted's lamplight
was very natural. Buzz has had a little bit more

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you maybe felt a little bit more that there was
something going on in the craft of that to make
that effect work. But in this case, a lot of
lamplight in this episode. The lamplight was beautiful in this one.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, it's all about lighting and vision. That I just
have to say, growing up on the show is wonderfully bonkers.
That the camera people were Teddy and Buzzy everything anyways,
we call Buzzy, Buzzy and Eddy, yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
And that these were two older gentlemen that had shot
a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Ted was a multi.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
Emmy Award winner as a you know, as a cinematographer.
He was just such a cool guy and buzz was
sort of like I always think of I don't know, Allison,
I always think of buzz Is a little bit like
Porky Pig.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
He was. He was a total character. He was he
out of some movie. It's bonkers. He's uh, he's out
there at Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, by the way, because
I happened to take Danielle or Frenchman out there to
see and it was like, and here's Buzzy. So yeah,
Buzzy was a character. And so yeah, they made it
very very interesting duo. It was quite something and.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
They were They were both such great responsive. I think
the camera crew, led by either by Buzz or by.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Ted so good, such skilled.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
The gaffer crew that you know, all of these guys
worked so beautifully together.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Everything just happened the way you needed it to happen.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
And this this show is quite beautiful and you don't expect.
You don't expect to see as much of the world
at Big Sky I perhaps as we see as you
saw when the show went on location where you could
really open things up.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
This was there. Good was Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
There was actually a shot that I was like, God,
that is so beautiful because you felt it's just he
was like Laura was at the creek next to the house.
And it's when pond Mary come back home and she
drops the busket and she runs you know, the basket
she runs in like how they always do, and Paw
comes back home. But the setup where you know, you
see the tree branches and the top of the screen

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coming down the beautiful creek, then the house in the background,
the winding road in the background with the tree. It
is so beautiful and it gave that feeling of oh,
I want to live here. I want to live with
these people like this house. This feels warm and welcoming
and loving. Which is you know, and.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
The lightning is we all look so good on the
show And in this one I said, I'm I looked
so out with a pink dress with a pin of
four one of my face, I am so cute and
little Canna doll, I look.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
So pretty and owl on your face and.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Look, I get what is going on?

Speaker 5 (25:10):
You and I You and Jonathan was particularly that, you know,
the one two punch in this one with horribleness.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
He gets it from you.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Though Jonathan was such a great naughty because.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
His vocals, one of his voice boy ridiculously like Pinocchio.
High I mean his yeah, it's really high. That, by
the way, went on for a very long time. It
was just made his taunting end times worse because it's

(25:42):
it wasn't so annoying.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
It's like four eyes for shut up.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
So let's let's let's.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Say, let's yeah, let's get into this.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
So I have no yeah, do you okay? So you
were there so awesome? Why don't you yeah, why don't
you start with what you want to try?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean, the first thing I wrote down is, wow,
I am particularly hideous. The first thing I wrote down
my my just yeah, yeah, torturing stutters, humiliating people in glasses.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I mean, just talk about eblistn just so vicious vicious vicious.
Oh okay, right, the whole thing about the grades. This
is all about grades. It's intense. And that's what Mary
puts a lot of pressure on herself to be perfect
and straightest her parents go. And that was something I
know is they're very modern. They're very modern. I mean
we hear stories about people in more recent times who
would spank or or physically punish their children for not

(26:40):
getting a bee or better, and you'll go to your room.
You didn't get as Pauw is like, hey, hey, well
did you do your best? And well, I see you
got the best. It's he's smoking the pipe bope, that's
much better. You improved in this subject. And Mom's like,
but writes your way down And he said, oh, oh,
what did you want me to do? He said, you
want me to start up around a raised cane, throw

(27:02):
a fit, scream at my child because the grades went down.
Like that's much so very modern. But Nilly and Willie
are doing a thing also very modern. Our mother pays
cases for grades to get like and like insane amounts
of money, like twenty five cents, which, as we know
from the show, can buy you like a wagon wheel practically,
and then later like a dollar. If I get straight
into do that, that's like a month's worth of wheat.

(27:24):
I mean, it's insane amounts of money, and she's paying
them for grades, which is disgusted.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean some parents it happens.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean I could, Okay, we're going for ice cream.
If you get straight a's, you're literally cash on the
barrel head going to work.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Some people I went to school with got paid for grades,
and I my parents were never I remember being like, well,
how about if I'm my parents being like, uh no,
I mean they took on the the what Ma was
saying of like, grades are for great, you know they're
set right, that's what That's what my parents thought.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
It Also, Nelly is getting good grades, and this is
way before the cheating episodes, so I don't know if
she cheated cheated all the time. Probably, I myself was
not a straight a student. I was very, very very
good at elementary school because I consider, yeah, it's pretty easy.
I got all these and bees junior high. When they
started throwing algebra mans like, it went down a bit

(28:21):
then and I was working and everything. But this Nelly
seems to be in a better student than I was.
When she's carrying on and announcing things and they're reading
all the stuff in school, I'm going I did not
know that until I watched this, I did not know that.
So she's way too smart. But as Laura says, even
eggs get graded, which I.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Love, that's a great, that's a great.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I wonder I wonder if at that stage that, I mean,
that's an interesting I wonder if that that's time eggs
did get graded.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
I graded?

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Okay, So yes, missus Olsen graded eggs, w yolks and
more arbitrarial.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Totally. Now it's interesting Jonathan again, a great Jonathan performance.
Like I said, he could stage stuff when I would
bump him and go flying out the scene. At one point, Laura,
she doesn't really push Willie and he falls over and
lands on the ground. I had to run it back.
I'm going, can he just go back and fall down?

(29:23):
For no apparent reason?

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Willie just Jonathan had great instincts about all of this.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
He knew, he had wonderful instincts about it. And you
never felt like, well, you've talked about this. We could
go on and on about Jonathan and the things that
he did.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
You never felt like.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Jonathan had the slightest clue about what was going on,
and yet he delivered wonderful, wonderful stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
All but exactly what he was doing. And part of
it was having the demeanor of where am I? Who
am I? Who are you? What day is it? And
he just went great adjustment, hasn't a brain in his head?
And then he's like on it with everyone, and then
like the falling over stuff, the physical stuff he did, You're.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Like, how is he doing so little?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
But no he was so smart.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
He was so sad. The voice, as you said, the
voice was so singularly annoying.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
And I think he's looking at I think he started.
He didn't realize, but somewhere around yeah, second season, he
saw people like, oh, well, yeah, this is good, I'll do.
It's like, oh, that's creepy, poor poor Mary the Great
and miss Beadle having to do the different class Oh
my god. I know, I remember thinking, wow, that's right.

(30:36):
My father talked about it.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I was wondering about that.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And how hard that was. And she's having to do
because she's got kids who are like sixteen seventeen. She
got five, and it's like she got to come up
with some lesson planned for everybody. She's written it all
on the boards. There's like horrified that she left.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
For you guys. So you know, Mary's working very hard.
Her parents care about everyone cares about grades, YadA YadA. Yeah,
but actually, in a practical sense, I'm wonder if parents
really cared if their daughters did well in school, right,
because it's not like they're being set up to have
careers or I mean, they talk about teacher, you'll be
a teacher, you'll be teacher, because that was the only

(31:13):
job on the career, the only job you.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Have now in their house, because Ma had been a
teacher and Marriott talked about wanting to teach.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
It's just very interesting to me. And this is more historical.
I don't blame the show for this whatsoever. It's just
on a historical level. I wonder what in terms of girls,
especially girls on a prairie right like in the in
the country, like, I wonder what the expectations for girls
actually were.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I don't think they'd be as high, especially like in
history and mathematics they'd be that's nice, dear, you can
count the eggs and the chickens and the pigs when
you're working with your husband on the pharm. It wouldn't
have been as big a deal unless unless, like now,
in Mary's case, she was absolutely going to be a teacher,
for Ma had been a teacher, so that was they
were expected to have very good grades and a high

(32:01):
level of knowledge of math and science and history. Absolutely
in that house. But you saw some of the characters
of the farmer families, Yeah, they'd be like, well, she
flung my but she's pretty, so you know, didn't care.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Well and for young boys.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
I mean, it was really about are you going to
have a strong back and are you going to be
able to I mean that's really what the pressure was
for most in an agrarian culture, which is where they were.
That was really the currency. It was how strong, how
hard could you work? How efficient could you be? You
know now so and then it's sort of in a

(32:37):
very human biological sense, young girls are generally ahead of
young boys at that age, you know, at that age.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
So I don't know this all works for me.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
And of course in the context of in the context
of Little House and let me sorry, my computer is
chiming here. In the context of Little House, it's a
story about focusing around young girls, and you know, it's
important to give to have that aspiration.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
And it's very modern and it's wonderful, it's wonderful fuel for.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
And they're doing a lot of seventies stuff with like
the being so modern about it and everything very interesting,
very interesting showing.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
And that's why I was saying, like, this is an
actual separate question aside from the show, because I know
the show is doing what the show is doing, but
historically I wonder what it actually was like for women
and the boys too, We're going to grow up to
be farmers, right like yeah, now, my.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Dad on the farm in the one room school house.
They did want them to do well in school's family
because well, they had like eleven kids, and they said,
we're not all going to be people, are going to
leave and do stuff. So yeah, and and and as
you said, his father, they would take them at least
once the month, they'd like go into town and see something,
a concert, to play something, because he.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Told her, yes, yes, I mean, they're not all going
to live.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Here with the bags and chickens forever. They're gonna you know,
you gotta have something here, you know.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
I want to say, in terms of the pressure that
kids today are under, certainly kids of a certain kind
of socioeconomic background or a sense of how they are
going to be what they're going to be in the world,
I think kids are under far more pressure today to

(34:27):
deliver in the classroom extracurricular activities, whether it's you know, judo,
piano lessons, dance classes, whatever it is, I mean, they're sports.
There is such pressure on kids to deliver because there's
this real sense that if you know what you do

(34:48):
as a ten eleven twelve year old is going to
define your access to what you're going to be able
to get to as an older kid. The schools you're
going to be able to get into, the op ortunities
you're going to.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Have, so the the the Charles Ingalls. You know, you'll
do better and you'll work a little harder and that's
all going to be good. That's so refreshing.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
And kids right, the learning right, which is true. But
you know, if you want to get into Harvard, yeah, well.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, well, Pamela, you're racing young you're racing young kids.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
If you look at this one, you see.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I think grades are very grades are important for us.
Mostly do you pay no my husband? No?

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Do you know what my.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Husband will do? Though? If they if either one of
my kids and Henry's sophomore in high school, so that's
you know more, you know more.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Henry's a great kids by the.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Way, great Marco's in second grade, so there's you know,
but if if.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
They get girl, if they.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Get a hundred on a test, Hell said that he'll
give him a little treat. So for Margo, that means
like you knows a suite. For Henry, maybe that means
like ten bucks, so he can go out to dinner
with this for you know, like get something for himself, right.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Going to the movies', going for ice cream.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Are particularly important for my husband because his parents were
not hal was Hell's a teacher. He's a special ed
teacher now, but growing up, he was not a good student.
I mean he got expelled his freshman year. I mean
he was not a good but he always and he

(36:39):
had these awesome parents. His parents were both artists. His
father was an opera director, his mother was a visual artist,
costume and set designer. And they were you know, they
were very artsy and they weren't so academically driven how
I am. I am not academically driven, even though I
was always a good student. But like I don't care, right,
I don't really care, but cares because he feels like

(37:01):
he was never pushed and he should have been. And
so with his kids, he's like, no, no, no, I'm doing
homework with them every night and I am making sure
that they're on That would, thank God, good for him
because I couldn't care less.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I mean I.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Really, I I care that they do well, but like
I'm not driven that way. So and also within d have,
like had do we afford college? How does anyone afford
college in this country? So you know, any kind of
help if they be on an academic scale, Like the
better the grades, the better chance he's got of getting

(37:33):
some sort of help.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
And what businesses that they're going into is that something
that is a four year college type of career or
is that a different guy to school career? Is that well?
And also the.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Other weird thing is and then we'll get back to
the episode. But the other weird thing is with AI coming,
so many jobs are not going to be viable anymore.
I mean, even even if a graphic designer right like that,
it's it's not going to be that much longer. So
it's also navigating it'll be different. It'll be a lot
of jobs either not be around or be very different

(38:08):
like maneuvering.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
It's all different when we started this out. Yeah, when
Bob started school, you started with you know, studying engineering
and switch to psychology. But when he started and he worked,
as you know, drafting and there were brushes and pens.
That's pro tractors, it's autocat, it's auto can now and
computer which he did learn. But it's like yeah. He

(38:30):
said that everything I learned in high school and college
on how to do this is.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Like, yeah, oh well that this net you have to
learn really interesting.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
It's a very very different world. Yes, there will be
AI and systems and there'll be computer programs for everything
in the universe, and you'll still want the skills and
you'll know those things, but you'll be doing them.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Going to be a different way of using whatever skills
that you have for that thing.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Right, I think there still has to be there still
has to be hopefully a for people who excel a
background in these things which gives you some intellectual understanding
of the principles of what you're doing and these things.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
It's interesting how AI.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
Forces you, actually, if you're really paying attention to think
about what it's actually giving you too and and adjust
it based on your own sensibilities. And you have to
have a sensibility to ask it to adjust garbage.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Garbage, garbage if you don't know it and you just go,
you're going to get crap.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Anyway, back to.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
The let's go back to you. So we talk about
mince meat pie.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Generat dessert because PI is very British. This is what
it is it's just it's a meat pie. It's just
ground ground meat with some veggies and a paste. It
used to be mince meat. Or it can be a
dessert pie. It can be a sweet one that you
have a currant.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, that's why. This is why mince me is so confusing. Currently,
if you go buy a mince meat pie or jar
Minds meat, it is fruit. It is dried chopped for
raisins that we have a you have a currants bah
and you have it for Thanksgiving mince meat Mia Anti
Mary made a hell of a mind smeat pie. But
it's kind of like it's the fruitcake of pies. It's
it's all that chopped like dried fruit stuff in a pie.

(40:26):
They used to put suet and you don't really want
to know what sue it is. Think lard and fat
and it's gross. You don't want it if.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
You don't want to look up, but it so good.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Don't google.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
That is flavor, baby, But it's this.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Is what was it? But in the olden days, in
like the fifteen hundreds, yes, it was absolutely shredded meat
and some fruits. They like what, well, putic a shredded
meat and we threw in some currants and raisins, what
do we get? And mince meat? So with the time
the Ingles were eating it, it's the eighteen hundreds, A
little iffy. Were they having a dinner mince meat, a

(41:02):
dessert mince meat pie which would have been fruit and
some beef tallow sweity meaty things as well at that time.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Either way. They're disgusting just right.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
For the record, I like min's meat, okay, men's I
like them.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
I don't know how we get back into this episode
we are. Let me get back to Mary.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
So Mary is flailing in school. They cannot figure out
why I even goes to school. Then to talk to
Miss Beetles, like what's going on? Is it a boy?
And she's like, no, it's not a boy. I don't
know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I'ty all go no.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
I thought that when I when I heard that conversation,
all I thought about was you, Pamela, and how you
might go off hearing that as a you know, is
it a boy? It's like, wait a minute, trivializing this problem, right,
Oh it's just a boy.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
What an outrage that is? I mean, how do you react?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I actually didn't get mad about it at all because
when I had my first serious boyfriend in the tenth grade,
I skipped half of my classes all year long. So
it's a thing. It's definitely.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
It is definite.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I mean it is. Your focus gets warped. And yes, no,
it's a thing that did not bother me. But I
love that you thought of me. I love that you
thought it would well.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
I did because I thought that's sort of a sexist
thing to say, you know, is it a boy.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Maybe that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
It was more than one was a boy. Hey is
it a boy? No, it's not a boy. And I'm like,
they're all going it really is all.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Right, exactly, it is exactly a part. You'll get there. Yes,
we will totally get there, because that's part. I was like,
come on, we'll get there.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Nellie's hand goes up. I'm so adorable. I'm in pink
a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Of this episode.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I just want to say, I'm I'm so cute. That's
some of my favorite outfits. I'm so adore big benefore things.
And I get my hand up and I said, I
had to write this down. In fifteen eighty eight, The
Defeat of the Spanish Armada.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Began, the uh dominance of the British Navy.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
The dominance of England's power over the sea. I did
not know that until I watched this episode. I'm like,
what she had all these dates? And mister, we now
we have a historical event for every date we went
over this. What is the historical event we all talked
about that are these particular dates? Fourteen ninety two even
Willy knows that one. And I go fifteen eighty eight

(43:36):
to defeating.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Sixteen oh seven Jamestown. I remember getting so I want
to go to James.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
I remember blowing my eighth grade history test. I mean this,
mister Willcox had been talking about Jamestown forever and I.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Don't know what I look I answered, like San Juan
Bautista or something. What was I thinking?

Speaker 5 (43:59):
And he was He looked at everybody like what are you?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
You're not paying attention.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
To anything if you can't come up with James.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
You know seven, the founding of James Town, the first
premier them in North America, under the leadership of Captain
John Smith. And I'm like, what, how am I even? Okay?
My mom and you exactly, and my mother and my
aunt were so proud that I stood up and said
these things, and I went, really was that? I first
I heard about did you have to do with it?

(44:28):
I did not know these things. I don't think my
level of history was.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
You were that convinced that part?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, it was junior high. I was like not, And no,
I was not a good enough student that you could
yell out fifteen eighty eight and I'd go Spanish Armada. No,
that was absolutely not something that's ever gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
I don't know what I was like.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
You just told me two minutes ago and I still
don't remember it.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, So that cracked me up, that I
was such a good student. I'm going, yes, no, that
that's acting because I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
And listen, and then Mary's thing in this is that
she's what.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
She can't answer any of the questions.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
She can't she can't answer anything.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
What's interesting to me is that she couldn't say it's
an interesting choice, and maybe this just speaks to our
need to be our need to project that we're always okay,
But that she couldn't say to anybody, I can't see that.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
This is my question also about this episode, because I
mean the fact is in modern day watching this episode,
you're like, yeah, it's about getting glasses, what big?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
What like?

Speaker 3 (45:34):
That's an everyday occurrence, and it makes me go, oh,
how common was it actually? I mean, I know that it.
They say that people's eyes have become much worse as
the generations have gone on from there. Part of it
is because we're not because we go to card that
they think is because we're not outside as much as
we used to be and our eyes are affected by that.

(45:57):
But I wonder also just actually how common it was
for people to need glasses back then, And obviously they
know nothing about it. So her saying that, her not
saying I can't see I could sort of justify because
it must have been very frightening and maybe she just

(46:17):
had no idea that anything could be done.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
He would about it back then. There's a scene at
the eye doctor when Paul like, I don't want to
jump ahead much because he does not terrifying scene where
he figured the horse. But the doctor says something about
maybe one day they'll test at school. They didn't. There
was no regular testing. People didn't know. My father again
in the one room schoolhouse, was the back of the room.

(46:41):
He thought he might be stupid. He wasn't sure, and
he was terrible at math because he little bit little
dyslexia and eyesight. He was nearsighted, no clue, no clue.
They were on a farm at the thirties, and who
had money for glasses? He had no clue. And then
of course when he left home and he could read
plays and produce shows when she's holding it here, And
it wasn't until well into adulthood that he wanted to

(47:04):
break an eye doctor and actually get.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Even couldn't see. It didn't click of like, oh I
can't see, I need glasses. It just wasn't a thing.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
And he was terribly vain.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
We we actually kidnapped him and took him to my doctor.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
And then he got them and was like oh.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
And said, I think I've been a little nearsighted my
whole life because I actually couldn't see the button, Like
are you kidding me? You mean you we had this
whole time a little bit.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Yeah, So as we raced towards a quick break, we
have burned so much time on me everything here basically,
what was it you saw on the eye test?

Speaker 1 (47:42):
She got paw freaks out. That's the big change because
he's like, what is with this? And why are you studying?
Why are you studying with the lamp here? Why are
what are you doing? Why are you being so weird?
And he's like, why don't you know? And finally he goes,
wait a minute, and he starts writing numbers on It's like,
what's this? No, stay over there? What is this? She
can't read that thing? And he goes, Okay, oh my god,

(48:04):
it's yourriyse, it's your rise. It's right. And then, because which.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Makes you go, oh my gosh, this must have been
super serious back then, is just the fact that like,
oh I can't see. I probably need glasses. But but
it wasn't as simple as that back then. Obviously. I
mean for her to have eye problems, the way that
they handled it on the show, the way that they
shot it, the way that the music was, the dramatic

(48:29):
tension of it was anxiety. She was getting tuberculosis, like
as if this was a life threatening type situation, which
which yeah, it could have been on the prairie.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
And remember this is so foreshadowing because we know in
some sense if we've read the books, didn't yeh didn't?
And people are waiting at home with their books, going
go did she go blind? Didn't she go blind soon?
Does she go blind yet? And that's kind of subliminally there,
So it's is she gonna go blind? And that's why
it's a huge deal that she gets glasses and never
the whole audience.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
Goes let's let's talk about the let's talk about the Yeah. Interestingly,
he's looking into her eyes with candlelight, using candles and
it's reflecting into her eyes and he's seeing what he's seeing,
and it's like and I, well, we still use some
ver eye doctor still use a version of that device.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
That we saw there, and maybe I don't know if
that's what they actually.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
Did, but that's what we saw, and it's we certainly
have all seen a version of that device when we've.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Gone in to get our eyes checked.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
So it's sort of you know, that was sort of interesting,
and she's sort of we watched the things the world.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Come into focus for her and suspense filled.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Now something that really sort of cracked me up is
right there. And you can't go to you know, you
can't go to any of the instant eyeglass doors.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I know.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Yeah, I was like, oh, this is a lens crafter.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I went and had They said, we'll call you like
two three weeks.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
How the original it was the original lens crafters. They
had people right there one hour guarantee, boom, your glasses
are made. I have that written down to.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Experience. She'll never forget ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I have to say something.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
And they were customed because they said catalog. She said, oh,
don't people get them sometimes out of the Sears catalog,
which they did. They were like cheaters, like to buy
the drugstore, like if you're mildly near sighted. And then
the doctor said, oh no, those are just good. So
he's already saying that you're customized to her particular vision problem,
not just cheaters. And yet they leave with them. Did

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they stay in man Cata for three weeks? Still they
were done.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
I don't know, you'd have to send.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
A ship.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
New York, just something you're just gonna get.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I I also, well, yeah, I can't get.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
The glasses that fast even now, and she no, of
course not.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
But that was that was fantastic. And then of course
it's the second act ends they're driving home, they're driving
back to Walnut Groves and Mary is wonderously looking around,
seeing the world that.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
She has maybe never seen in her life.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
This was me after Lasik. This was me after Lasik
because I was near sight of her ages. And then
they finally said, hey, we've the Lasik. I was turned
down for the go no no, And then they kept
changing the lazy and they go, we now we can Yes,
we can fix that and that and that's fine. The
stigmat not a problem. And they said I had very
thick Cornia, so I.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Went do it now.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
I want to say, we're going to take a quick break,
but I want to say a little bit.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
The structure of this is a little like into the woods.
What happens after the way ever after she has.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Her glasses news.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
The world is beautiful. I love you, I love my glasses.
I love you too, and of that too. Let's take
a break because the world is going to get really ugly.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
And it's all you all right, guys, will be back.

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Speaker 3 (52:56):
All right, we're back. Listen. Before we get onto that,
I have to do a little a little note that
you guys would not know because you are not little
kids who were fans watching this, but eye exam scene
as a child watching this. He is the most riveting,
crazy thing you ever watch ever.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I know.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
He talked about mister Rogers had a segment where they
made the crayon. He went to the crayon factory and
you saw the crayons were made and it was transfixing,
like you just it was like the most fat That's
what this was. It was a bit scary because the
scary music and the tension and the close up of
the eye, which can sometimes be a little freaky, but fascinating.

(53:38):
As a kid, it was like, oh my gosh, he
really that you would not get watching as an adult,
you would not get watching now, but just the kid's perspective,
it was like unbelievable that I exam scene.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
And really nicely shot and that that actor who was
making his day and we saw.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Him, but he's the eye doctor off the.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Series, and he was and I'm sorry, I don't have
his Day's our best ford raining for raining.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
There you go. And this was the first mini appearances.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
There are quite a number of nice appearances that he
made on the program.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
And he was on like he was on everything Bonanza.
His IMDb is bonkers. He was this fabulous character actor
who was in at least two episodes of every single
television size one of those guys. He's great, He's right.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
So now Mary's she walks confidently into school with her
new glasses, that the whole new world and the cutely
and then.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
And her little hideous brother show up and we're so
awful and stupid because like for and this is the thing.
Back then, we were just saying people didn't all have
glasses nowadays, because I'm trying to remember, did anybody call
anybody four eyes when I was a little kid in school?

Speaker 4 (54:50):
No, because half recollections of that.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
I have recollections of hearing that. I don't think it
was the It didn't have.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
The pejorative on it that this ad. But definitely I
don't hate term was used.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I didn't hear much teasing your kids with glasses because
half the class had glasses. Yeah, you might your friend
who you knew you four eyes now, but like as
a thing, these kids are like freaked out that somebody
has classes because when do see someone with glasses even though.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Every single day. Oh also fun fact, but Charlotte has
said this before. The glasses that she wore on the
show were her actual glasses that she wore and realleft.
They were like her nineteen sixties hippie glasses.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Glasses, Charlotte glass.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
So I mean thinking about Charlotte, I mean another little
fun fact with Charlotte in the classroom.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Charlotte wrote everything on the blackboard.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
She did writing so blackboard.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
She when she was the scene was being prepped, she
would come in early and write everything on the blackboard,
so it was all her writing, and it was a
big deal for her.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Because one of the first episodes that she had writing,
she came one of the g and she went, that's
not right that we wouldn't have that on the board.
That's not correct. And he's like, I don't know, and
she's like, give me that and she did do right now,
this is where I have to bring up my beautiful head. Okay.
Auntie Marion, which some of you may know stories about,
was my guardian on the set. My parents both worked.
My Aunti Marian took me to the set every day

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and for the whole whole seven years. Because even after
I turned eighteen, I came to work by myself a
couple of days and every said where's Annie Marian? Because
she become part of the whole fabric of the family,
the crew and everyone, and I said, well, said they
have to be here, and they're going yeah, but why not?
What's she doing today? And so I called her up and said, listen,
you want to go anywhere she goes? Yeah, So I
get eighteen years old, I'd leave my party, like go

(56:39):
pick her up and take her to work. Guy, where's
Ai Marian? So she was absolutely part of the whole
little House family every now and it's all about my book.
What an incredible woman. I believe that the fact that
I'm not screamingly insane today and that I have any
just a toution center and the right and raw yeah thing.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
I don't know, kidding.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Any maryan babe Anie Marian all the way, woo woo,
any Mary. So Annie Marion was, I was a very
beautiful woman. She looked very young for age. I mean,
pictures are in the set. Oh how old is She's
like twenty years older than you think she is a
woman looked great, but she was very beautiful when she
was young. By modern standards. She was tall, dark hair,
dark eyed, with cheekbones to die for. But in the

(57:25):
time period that she was a young girl, which is
like twenties, barely they liked short, cute blonde chicks. Was like,
my mother was a big kid, but she went so
they thought tall girls were weird, and of course she
wore glasses. My Auntie Marian told me that this episode
was very difficult for her because when she was a
girl in school, they called her the four eyed donkey.

(57:50):
She was a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful girl, four eyed donkey.
That she would never marry and that she was ugly
and then take back and she said it was horrible,
really hard. She was sensitive and shy and it was
bad and she could still hear it sixty years later.
So we did this episode and I immediately Mee and Jonathan. Yes,

(58:15):
four eyes, she Chris. She sat me down, said this
is a very difficult episode because I love you and
your my niece and everything, but like, did it have
to be four Eyes? I can still hear them saying
that you have no how bad this was, and explained
to me like that was really bad and that like
I may not watch this when it comes on. You

(58:35):
know you're shooting the scene.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I'm not gonna I'm gonna go over.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
This scene because this is killing me listening to my
favorite adorable such a good little girl that I know
waiting this stuff. So she said, yeah, you've done some
bad things, but on the show, I get it. You're
the weapon. Really, it almost couldn't be there for this.
It was so true.

Speaker 8 (58:58):
It was so traumatic, and I'm like, oh, it was
so traumatic for Mary that she goes and loses those glasses, right.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I get all the other classmates members to do it too.
They didn't care, but I told them to do it.
So she comes to and I call her and Willy
whela was that he's so well and and how come Laura.
Laura goes to fight back, but only against Willy. Shouldn't
take me on? Take on Willie because I guess she
can knock him over. I don't know. It's so awful.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
But the but the four stance is that she says
because they're like, but miss Beetle wears glasses and they're
like yeah, and she's a spinner. She goes clash, but
Nelly's wing you're never going to get married. Look at
miss Beadle, She's not get married.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Oh yeah, you'll never get married. No one level of
you never get married because you're ugly. And then she's
miss miss Beetles classes, yes, you have a husband either,
and that's what was that? What a what am I eleven?

Speaker 5 (59:59):
And so it's it's interesting there are two references the
exact same line referencing just like Miss Beadle. The first
time it's a it's a it's a foreboding thing, and
the second time it's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
A good thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
And so we're going to get to why it becomes
why how it becomes the good thing because we're burning.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
So much time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
I'm going to skip forward. So Mary comes home and
is like, sorry, guys, lost my glasses, and also her
parents take it weirdly very well. I mean they're upset,
but like she doesn't get in trouble. And I was like, well,
that wouldn't have happened in my household. Yeah, I mean
I remember it. One site.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Paul raised his voice one time, as you know, you
were supposed to wear your glasses all the time, a
little come on, come on medical.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
The doctor said it was better for her eyes. But
he just says, well, it'll be harvest. It'll be harvest.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Before there was no actual like you what like how
dare you?

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
What were you that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
It's not flown and my household at all. There was
one time I accidentally threw away my retainers can take
them out to eat watch and I accidentally threw them away.
And I came home and I was like, sorry, I
lost my retainers and my mother was like, oh, no,
you didn't. And we went back to the school and
she made me go through all of the garbage can

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garbage and we found them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
That's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Anyway, one time years ago, I was trimming in the
yard and my glasses came off somehow, and I was
done with trimming in the yard load of a huge
garbage can filled with stuff. Couldn't find the glasses, and
we ended up pulling the garbage can, going through all
that trimm hedge to find.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
And you're not a subsistence farmer. And you were like,
I'm right, damn glasses. And nowadays any kid parents are like, no,
you know what those costs were? Yeah, and for the
she said, well, it's going to be harvest for I mean,
he's being very matter of fact, where it's like, that's
how it is bad no glasses.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Well, and of course she is. She's taking the position, well,
I was bad and I lost. I don't deserve I
shouldn't have. You shouldn't get me another parody.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
It's like, because you had been Nelly had been so
awful her that she just couldn't bear.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I have driven her, driven her to go hide and
possibly lose because they're on a log and insanely expensive
pair of glasses that her parents have sacrificed to buy
for her, and she's hidden the log, and now her
parents are really upset and they're just trying not to
come down on her too hard because she's got enough problems.
But they're half out of their minds going and it's

(01:02:44):
my fault.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
I did this, I did this, so so all right,
So now, Pamela, this is the sweet spot for you
now as we're coming to this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
So she's given up these glasses. She's hidden, but something
turns for story, so I want.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
To hear here it is okay. So they're in the
they're in the place and they're playing Mary's getting terrorists again.
So she's like, I'm going to sit by myself on
the side of the school because I need I need
a moment here and cute another strange man hitting on
my on the prairie. Why is this why he cutey grows?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Why Ryan Richard, I don't know. He doesn't have much
of an iy Brayan Richards. I think it is the
only thing he ever did. Don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
But he was Also it's like she has no light
high there and he's learning.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
He's flirting eleven twelve year old. He's like, Hi, there,
you're so shitting no clue.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I'm like, girl, run run, not safe running in the
let's call it. But Anyway, long story short, she he
asked for Miss Beadle. He says he's her bow and
he walks into the church. She the school, it's school
mode now, and then she eventually goes into this school

(01:04:15):
and catches Miss Beetle doing a little kiss in a
clinch with the like totally liplocked, and I at that
moment was like, yes, Charlotte, Yeah, knowing Charlotte, when Charlotte was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Like, probably some boyfriend of her, she got the job right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
No, yeah, this wouldn't have been any you know, with
all this wouldn't have been any strange situations, Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
In fact, it was a very kiss for Charlotte.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Miss Beetle was such so attractive, and she could have
boyfriends free day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
And owned her sexuality and owned the free love movement
and yes, more powering babe.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
It's probably some dude she knew, and I'm sure they probably.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Did total but now, but in the eighteen hundreds, this
would have been ground one to smells in person, she
would have.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Been fired, would have been fired.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Because that would have considered extreme public display. And also
the teachers are not supposed to really be dating or
getting married. And she is like I mean yet and
a child saw you. Yes, in real life in the
eighteen hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
She'd be pulled before the such an interesting message that
seeing that moment Mary, and then mister Stacey, the lawyer said,
if i'd met you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Heard of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
But so that's the turning point moment is as long.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
As I can be still attractive, if a man would
be willing to marry me, then cool, I'll wear my glasses.
It's it's so complex because, as you know, because on
one hand, I'm like, yes, I understand. This was the
eighteen hundreds, like this was the goal, like you, a
girl needed to get married, that was what it was.

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So on that hand, I'm like I get it. I
get it. And then on the other modern hand, I'm like,
this sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I wrote down talking to strangers again Mary was going
off to sit in the dirt. And then again we're
going to complimenting little girls. What is going on in
the shop, because it is like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
What can we also say the gomus beadle with the lawyer?
What the hell happened to the lawyer? Dude? She ended
up with the big barner.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Form.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I mean talk about punching down tear God what happened
to the lawyer?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Lawyers they work all the time, you know, I just
didn't work. Maybe it was the fact that he kept
compliment twelth Maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
I wonder for audiences at that time, I wonder how
many mothers and fathers were sitting at home watching that
moment happen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
And look, it's it's you know, it's pretty benign.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
But if you read into it a little bit, there's
a little bit there's a messaging there that's not great
necessarily for a young girl to be getting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
And I also think, what was this that would never work?
Would be very seventy five, right, I just think a conversation.
I mean, this wasn't the conversation. Then, This wasn't the
conversation until I mean, quite frankly, I think the past
ten years is when people have started to go, oh wait,

(01:07:48):
maybe that's not huh okay. I just don't think it
was part of the even a part of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
I think it's still kind of there's a possum because, Okay,
at that age where you're not very mature yet, the
thought of I want I want, I want to be pretty,
we all want to be loved, we all want to
be attractive in some way, that age goes, I want
to be pretty. I want to be pretty, and you
got me and and Willie.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Gunn you're not pretty and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
That's kind of awful and horrible self esteem. And then
someone goes, WHOA, you can be pretty, you can have glass,
you can be so pretty that the pretty guy from
the wagon is kissing her face off, that this is
somehow oh okay, yes, if you have glasses, you can
be pretty. When oh my god, I won't be pretty
is your biggest worry at that point, at that age.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
That's that's it's sort of a it's sort of a
tough message.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Take away very episode. I wonder then, like what is
our takeaway of this?

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
But I remember being that age and you know, you're
not sure you're pretty, and I mean, as we see here,
but it's good, very good. But I didn't always. I
started to become a teenagers like, I don't know, am
I pretty pretty?

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
There was some really worse we all think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
And I thought I was geeky and I was short
and stuff, and so I was like, I don't know,
I don't know, and I was worried, and so yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
So you're you're worried. You have conscious memory of being worried.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Oh yeah, well the problem was because it was short,
and when we talked about like bullying later, but like
my parents said, started comparing me to short famous actresses
to make me, to make me feel better.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Okay, famous actresses.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
The reality is everybody from Betty Davis on down all
get at. But but they started like mentioning actresses that
were short, that maybe we're all character actresses and not
known as being.

Speaker 9 (01:09:39):
Terribly attractive, and I went, oh, that's a message not
just generally speaking for girls, is just it's harsh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
It's yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
So so Mary sees the kiss, they have the conversation,
she runs off together like I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Can be sexy secretary. Sexy secretary, yes exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Which which is a look that totally works.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Okay, totally read it, and we know how awful it
could be. Redd it is gross. But I was on
Reddit and like, look at there were comments about this
thing and there were young young guys going, oh, I'm sorry,
did guys not like in classes? They were sort of
lost because they went had the sexy secretary thing that happened,

(01:10:28):
and they were all like, but girls and glasses are
so hot. They started being in like anime characters glasses
and they're like I thought girls and glasses were hot.
Oh yeah, sexy librarian. Oh shut up, Well that's progress totally.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
It's totally a look and uh yeah, there's just something
there's something about that sort of shy, sort of shy
but sort of comely. You know. It's like, wow, that's
that stuff that gets your as a young guy, that
certainly gets your attention.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
And teacher him.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
But so she okay, so she she does the test,
She gets the grades.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Nellie is Wharton history test. Yes, thwarted, thwarted again. Despite
my knowing everything about Queen Elizabeth and the manager Mody
and Queen Isabella, I would go Queen Isabella was my
mother said, Queen Isabella was more important. Prove it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
Once Mary believes she could get the guy, there was
no stopping her.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
But it was not interesting. There was a positive message.
But wait, smart women, smart women are pretty. Because she
didn't have to be dumb to get the boys. She
got the glasses and got the good grades, and there
was no thought of well I can't get good grades
unlike the guy. There was Remember, there was a whole
mindset at one point going girl should be dumb, don't

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get don't tell anyone you have good grades, because the boys.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Don't intimidate young guys than they are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
And I said to do that as soon and she
got those glasses, she was back to straight a's with
the full belief that she was still attractive. So smart
girls are still attractive. Was a biggie in this episode,
which is its huge also.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
But the whole episode ends with then Mary finally actually
she wins this history competition and she shows paup and
I'm like, girl, what why? But she comes clean to
Pa and says I she comes clean to And I
was like, Mary, you could have gotten away with it?
Why but her her contract is very guilty.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
And yes, Mary's very.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
And like another paw classic Palm own of being super
understanding and kind and caring and unconditionally loving. And you
know that's that's that's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Baby.

Speaker 5 (01:12:46):
Pau cemented his place as one of the most beloved
father's father figures with his perform with the way this
was written, in the way he did this episode. Michael
and Karen, yes both cemented themselves admirable parental.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
And I love when she comes to classes and and
Ma runs out. She goes, oh, Mary, you look so
attri you look so attractive, so dear, because that wasn't
weird sexist stuff. That was just confidence and you look
beautiful no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
And yeah, great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
And also the love that Mary has for Paw and Ma,
especially Paw in this episode, you you understand why she
loves him so damn much.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Yeah, And it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
About lying and conscience. You must lie. And then she
comes a cropper. But also, Hi, guys, Michael land and
wore glasses, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Did you wear glasses all the time?

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Very? I love the huge seventies like Aviator glasses.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
They were wonderful. Lou Wasserman wore those those They were kind.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
They were the rage in the seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
All the time, like he needed them to see or
was it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Sto the time? He had them on all the time.
He had them obviously to read, to do stuff. And
then he had the ones that they went dark to
the shades.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Well, I think he dark.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
I don't know were they were. They were they transitional?
I mean, or would he wore great dark glasses when
he was shooting inside?

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
But he had those big suckers and obviously a lot
of the time when he was reading a script, when
he was working on a script, and he would get
those outlook at things. You were glasses all the time, so.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
He I mean, I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
And he looked, of course, the glasses. You've seen pictures.
He looked completely hot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
In the glasses. I didn't realize he wore them as
often as hefty And because that's what really matters, if
you look hot in your glasses.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
And we all I just won't say how hot reading like,
I can see you guys, you're close and everything, but
if I want to read something that's I I can't.
My starvision now is great. I I used to have
sucky for I was very nearsighted. I couldn't things that

(01:15:03):
were more than five feet away. And I and then
I when I was in my twenties, I got glasses.
But then I got lasick some years ago, and I
loved it. Something it's controversial, but I loved it. It
was weird, but I was like Mary in the wagon,
going look. But then they said, well, your close up
vision's gonna go to hell, and I went, oh, so yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
That's you're wearing glasses as your occasional accessory is very cool.
It's different when you depend on sure.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Now I was turned down for Lasik because my cornea
is too thin, and I say, it is the only
part of my body that's naturally thin.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
God, God, jeez, I think we should talk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
We're talk about it. I'll save it all anyway. But
that's our episode. It's a beautiful one. It's a great episode.
And also again say another sort of slow pace episode
of Quieter. You know, it's not it's about a girl
who gets glasses. I mean, that's really what the story is.

(01:16:08):
It's not brain surgery.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
A lot of here great and beauty class that's kind
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
We didn't talk about We didn't talk about the great cinematography.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
You know that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Yeah, we just we just we got so caught up
in the in the messaging about glasses and boys.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
And that's okay. There was a great cinematography. I mentioned
it in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
There was great cinematography.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Well, when she gets a scene at the doctors, was
just with the shots of that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
That was one of those rare scenes there, the one
run of the rare scenes. And it's not necessarily great cinematography.
But it's interesting that it wasn't normally.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Done this way, that the scene between Caroline and Missus
Olsen in the mercantile was shot where the mercantile was
dressed on location, because.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
We're going by on the outside the windows.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
That was a rare shot.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
You did that, interestingly on a foggy morning. Now this
was not necessarily great cine. I'm talking about a wonderful shot.
Michael comes out of the barn and the fog and
you cut to the inside looking over Carrie's shoulder and
he's shooting into a blue cyclorama. They are back on
the stage at that point, so it's foggy morning to
blue cyclorama, but a really great shot through the glasses.

(01:17:22):
Pad comes in the door. And then the last one
that I loved is the scene where where I think
it's where Paw Mary or talking at the end and
positting there in the water.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Shoot.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
That's a shot and I don't think we've ever seen
that shot before or sin.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
It's a beautiful, beautiful shot. The composition and I just thought, wow,
that's gorgeous. The movement of the water, the framing of
that is beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
Obviously, all of that had to be looped because the
water would have well, everything was looped.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
On the ranch. So uh, but just some really really
really pretty shots.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Congratulations to the buzz Bogs and to Bill Claxton.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Some really great stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
From this and Baby Actually I have a report. Will
you don't go to school? Carry's another It's true, Absolutely,
it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
I have a We do have to We're going to
do that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
We're going to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
All this stuff. Hey, you guys, if you have many
Baby Carry moments that that we are forgetting about, how
about we ask people tell us your favorite baby episode
so that we can gather all of this together and
compile an episode for the best of Baby Carry. I'm
gonna we're gonna we're gonna post about this. This is
how we're gonna do this thing, because I was like,
how are we going to find all the baby Carrey.

(01:18:45):
You guys will help us. I know you will help us. Okay,
find you. But yeah, that's today's episode. Everybody join us
on Patreon. We're gonna be talking about more glasses, glasses
and more glasses, and perhaps some childhood bullying stories. I
can't see any classes glasses and more I know I
can't either. I'm so blind. But you know, join us

(01:19:07):
on our socials, Little House fifty Podcasts, or our website
Little House fifty podcast dot com. Like and subscribe. Hey,
I'm gonna add this one. Also, leave us a review,
a five star review. How about that? This all helps
us everybody?

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Well, we shouldn't grovel and say leave us a five start.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Just be honest about your five star review.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
But that helps us too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Anyway, to be honest about your.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
Five star review. Very good.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Anyway, that's it for today. We'll see you next time. Bob,
get the wig. Let's fly, but just lose your glasses
on the hill though it's a bumping terrain.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
No no,

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