May 7, 2026 • 21 mins
his week, we couldn’t record a full recap episode because Dean was in Washington, D.C. doing important things! Instead, we’re sharing an exclusive clip from a longer conversation that will be released on Patreon on Monday, May 11.
In this preview, Dean talks about his visit to the Library of Congress and how Little House on the Prairie has a surprising presence there. We also get into unexpected connections between Star Trek and Prairie, the music of David Rose, and the quietly powerful experience of being inside the U.S. Capitol.
For the full 45-minute conversation, join us on Patreon. You’ll hear about Dean and Alison’s trip to Ocean City, Maryland—where the crab was hot and the cars were hotter—before diving into the rest of Dean’s time in Washington, D.C., from meeting Chaplain Margaret Grun Kibben, the Chaplain of the House of Representatives, to the moments that left him feeling hopeful, inspired, and connected to something larger.
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In this preview, Dean talks about his visit to the Library of Congress and how Little House on the Prairie has a surprising presence there. We also get into unexpected connections between Star Trek and Prairie, the music of David Rose, and the quietly powerful experience of being inside the U.S. Capitol.
For the full 45-minute conversation, join us on Patreon. You’ll hear about Dean and Alison’s trip to Ocean City, Maryland—where the crab was hot and the cars were hotter—before diving into the rest of Dean’s time in Washington, D.C., from meeting Chaplain Margaret Grun Kibben, the Chaplain of the House of Representatives, to the moments that left him feeling hopeful, inspired, and connected to something larger.
Links and Resources:
Haven’t signed up for Patreon yet? Get more behind-the-scenes info and fun conversation we can't do on the podcast...PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/LittleHousePodcast
www.LittleHouse50Podcast.com to connect with our hosts and link to their websites.
www.LivinOnaPrairieTV.com Check out the award-winning series created by Pamela Bob, with special guest stars Alison Arngrim and Charlotte Stewart.
Prairie Legacy Productions - the place to go for info about all new Little House events!
To learn more about Little House on the Prairie, Visit www.littlehouseontheprairie.com
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Dean Butler @officialdeanbutler
Alison Arngrim @alisonarngrim
Pamela Bob @thepamelabob, @prairietv
Social Media Team: Joy Correa and Christine Nunez
https://www.paclanticcreative.com/
Producer: Tony Sweet
www.ubngo.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
If you're listening right now to the Little House fiftieth
Anniversary Podcast, we know something about you. We know that
you're obsessed with Little House of the Prairie.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
For more than half a century, Little House on the Prairie,
the series, and the books have been bright lights for
people all over the world who seek out goodness, decency,
and human connection.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Here on the Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, we celebrate
everything that made Little House so special.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The stories, the characters, the actors, and the messages that
have made Little House iconic family television.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And a perfect counterpoint to a world that feels like
it's going off the rails every day.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Where's Michael Landon when we need him most?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm your host, Pamela Bob And I'm your Prairie bitch
Alice at Aringrem and I'm Dean Butler.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Our hashtag imaginary boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Join us for our loving, quirky, and often irreverent conversations
about the finest family drama in the history of television.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And the imperfect people who made it that way.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
In this third season, we are extremely grateful for the
support of visit Seemi Valley dot com for their continuing
sponsorship of Little House on the Prairie and The Little
House fiftieth anniversary podcasts.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hey Bonnet, heeads, how are you doing?
Speaker 6 (01:18):
This is Pamela Bob, creator and star of Living on
a Prairie and super fan, and I'm here with.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Our hashtag prairie.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Well, I usually do you first, Allison, our wonderful prairie bitch,
Alison Aringram, and our hashtag imaginary boyfriend, Dean Butler. We
have a special drop for you this week because of
Dean was in Washington, d C. Because of travel issues,
we were not able to record a full recapped episode
this week, but we did do a Patreon that ended
(01:47):
up being about forty five minutes long, and it was
really quite amazing about Dean's time in DC.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
We discuss other things too, but we.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Wanted to drop a small segment of that conversation so
that you guys can also listen and enjoy, And if
you want to listen to the entire conversation, you can
join us on Patreon and we'll be there for you anyway.
Anything you guys want to add before.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
We did that, so well, it's awesome.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
That's the brief thing we've done in like three years.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, I have my moments. Okay, thanks everybody.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Thanks for the support you guys, So we'll see you
next time with a recap. Enjoy this small snippet from
our Patreon See you next time.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
The Library of Congress houses essentially every printed thing, music,
art that is created in the United States and other
places in the world. They have all of it. The
Library of cong is the largest library in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm in there. You're in there if you that's right.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Well, and they even played be a part of your recording.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Shut the hell up.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
No, they did. I heard you start your recording, and
I said, I'm very familiar with this. I know her
very well. She is just the way she reads this.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Do they not listen to the podcast? Come on, I.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Think they're so busy curating books. They just don't.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Of course they are busy. You go all the way there,
just presentation. What did they make you listen to me?
Speaker 7 (03:36):
You know, it's like, you know, it's like two minutes
I listened to you and as you're starting your book.
But the point was that they have all of this,
so wow, So they have and they have. There are
fifteen members of the Library of Congress staff there who
have pulled our first editions of all the books. Wow,
(04:00):
they pulled examples of all the video that's there that
they have film that they have there. The thing that
blew me away the most is that all of David
Rose's original scores are stop it at the Library of
Congress and so. And they showed me. So I saw
(04:23):
the original writing of the Little House theme that they
You know, I don't read music, but the curator does,
and he's got his finger on the notes and he's
humming it for me.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Music. You've done all these musicals and you don't.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Are you read music?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
No?
Speaker 8 (04:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I thought you read I don't that I thought you
might be.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Yeah, No, I don't read music, but I mean I
sort of get Look when I'm singing something and I'm
learning it and I'm looking at notes and im a
sense of relationships and timings and all that. I mean,
I yeah, it's not total Greek to me, but if
someone puts something in front of me, I could not
(05:08):
plunk it out on the channel. So this was just
to see this. And then they showed me something. And
of course because it was becoming they pulled some things
that related to what I did on the program, and
they showed me a c sheet when the when a
(05:33):
show is spotted, it is it is transcribed in terms
of what's actually happening on the screen and the timings
of those things and the dialogue and everything that's happening.
That David was able to look at as he's writing
this music. I've never seen that. I knew the music was,
I knew the show was spotted, but I'd never seen
(05:55):
the form that that took. This is every moment of
music that occurs. It is this incredibly detailed document that
lays out every queue, every moment of the action, so
that David is able to support that musically. And I'm
(06:17):
just it just it just blew me away. And to
see this detail and the fact. And they said they've
gotten a couple of huge crates of this. They've just
started because David Rose's daughter just bequeathed all this to
the Library of Congress relatively recently, so they're just getting
it now. They're getting all his music. I mean that
(06:39):
you know, the scripper will be there, that all the
bonanzas that he wrote will be they'll all be there.
Everything will be there.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yes, yes, it's a ya.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
So that the heritage of this is is is very
secure at the Library of Congress. And I spent more
time with the music person than anybody else that I
spoke to. But he was just he was just fantasm
And I told him some stories about how I told
him a story which he did not know that the
(07:11):
Little House theme came out of an episode called the
Cattle Drive. That was a queue that he had written
for Bonanza. And essentially, now it wasn't probably note for
note exactly, but the basic idea of the theme was
in a queue from Bonanza. Wow, this was not surprising.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And you figure many cows running across the screen.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, she's like, wait, what what? What has happened?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
This was really really cool. He showed me people were
gonna love this. He showed me how the note progression
in our theme is the same as the initial note
progressions in the Star Trek theme.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
No, okay, this is.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
It's all about it adventure. It's stepping into.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
You remember what the Star Trek theme is. I'm not
I'm not a truckie.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
H oh no, I I am. I listened. I go
to sleep Road every.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
Night because wait, this way they we had the art
director guy. So the jeff Little House, Matt Jeffrey are
brought to you.
Speaker 9 (08:19):
By the same person, and then and then the same
we shot on the same sound stage, and and like
me and Shatner have like gone over all of this
and the cross and now you're telling me that the
music is connected.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
There's there's a way the way the notes are.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
The way he described it to me, is there is
through the history of music, there is a series of
progressions which have been used over and over and over
again to elicit certain feelings.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Right, Okay, Hamel is getting this because she's in music.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
She's all right.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
So here's the other thing too. That's amazing about music,
which which is why certain things resonate with people and
those same things might not resonate with others, is that
music is And this is not just woo woo, this
is scientific, this is quantum whatever. But music is a vibration,
(09:13):
and if it resonates with you, it's because you are
on you.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Are equaling that vibration.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
If you're on a different vibration and the music is
in a different vibration, you're not going to resonate with it,
which is so fascinating to me. But it's all it's
all energetic vibration. And so there are certain things that
just hit across the board. So certain musical progressions hit
(09:43):
whatever vibration that is that evokes the response that they
know they need to get right. So like think of
think of like John Williams right, like the Star Wars,
Star Wars Superman right, like the themes that evoke like adventure,
and and it's it's I'm not calling it formulaic, but
(10:07):
there's a certain something in music.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's primal, that's it exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And I mean on a vibration, it's level that.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Just hits something in human beings that is, I mean.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Brain therapy that use music. It absolutely goes right in.
And so yes, this totally makes sense.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh my god. And the whole way, I'm just pulling
up the Star Trek theme because I know.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I'll be like, oh, I watch it all the time.
So while Allison is listening for that, they they they
also had one of my pospit CDs there. I mean,
they've got my gosh, they've got my Pospitle recording CDs
that I own. And it's you know, if I own
(10:52):
that music, they've got it in the library of Congress.
It's safe. Uh wow, So I just I was just
I love that. They then they moved me to all
the and do you have the theme? You want to play.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It if it's loud enough. You're trying to make it
loud enough to I think this is as loud as
I gets. Let me see here go louder thing. And
now that you've.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Said wait now, I think, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
That's it. So it's it's I think it's in that
there's that little chord progression that before the theme actually begins.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's right here, it's the wait wait here, it is.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Space, the uncharted frontier. I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It totally shows with the opening of Little Use.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I can't hear it.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Yeah I can't. I can't either, But but it's.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
The it's almost the French horn opening from a little house.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
So it isn't that isn't that.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's amazing. It completely sounds like a little house in
the prairie.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
That's actually the freakiest thing I've heard in ages.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Yes, and there's a reason that our these two programs
have Well, Shatner loves our program. That's what it is.
It resonates for him. I mean, I know he has
a love hate relationship with Star Trek. But it's like,
but he loves it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He did exist.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
So anyway, then they took me to they took me
to Brail. They showed me the books in braille, and
you know how they are able to run braille for
people and they can run braille on anything, you know,
they so, but they showed me examples of it, and
I didn't realize the braille was always the same size.
I didn't know that. You know, we see books of
(12:45):
different sizes and configurations braille, which is why braille manuscripts
are so enormous, because they have to be the figures
have to be of a size that when you touch
them with your fingers, you that were those relationships of
the dots have to always be the same. It can't
be smaller on your finger or larger on your finger.
(13:06):
So I thought that was really interesting. And after that,
then they they took me to they took me to
Allison's recording of her books and that so that was
sort of the the finish of the you know what
I what I came away from is realized, look, this
is true for so many different things. I mean, you know,
(13:27):
there's there is so much, but they make it so possible.
Anybody who wants to know more about anything can sign
up for a reading card at the Library of Congress
and they will bring you anything you want to see
in reading. It's it's this incredible, incredible service that our
(13:51):
country provides to anybody who wants to partake of that.
It's just that gives me hope that knowledge is there
for people to be able to touch. And there's something
like what did they say, like one hundred and eighty
one million different you know, entries in the Library of
(14:14):
Congress system. So after all that, we did a we
did a brief tour and one of the coolest things
is we went into that the beautiful main reading room
of the library is that famous space where Woodwood and
Bernstein are, you know, are looking through through library requests
(14:35):
and they pull back and you see. So we're in
that space looking up at all the beautiful symbolism in
the ceiling of this rotunda. The Statue of Liberty would
stand inside the rotunda of the Statue of Liberty would
stand inside of the Capital Dome, it would stand inside
that reading room. I Jennifer Brawler lost her mind because
(15:01):
she said, this is where National Treasure was shot, and
the guy took out the guy showed us a picture
and there's Nicholas Cage sitting in seat number one seventy
eight in there. Well, Jennifer had to run over and
sit in the seat that took a picture of her.
And she said, you have to watch this movie on
(15:22):
the way home on the airplane. And I couldn't download
it in time, but okay, I will, I will watch it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's a really fun movie. It's great.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah. Yeah, So and then they took us deep into
the card catalog where they have something like twenty two
This is before it went electric electronic. It was like
a traditional card catalog where it started as handwritten all
the all every card was handwritten until yes, exactly. Well actually,
(15:55):
actually they have their own Library of Congress system, which
is different than doing so interesting that it's just a
different system. But they had it all set up so
that I could thumb through all the wilder stuff, and
some of it's handwritten and some of it's typed out,
but just this, it's all there for people to come
(16:19):
and see, and it just I guess the important thing
about this was that it just gave me this sense,
and anybody who's been involved with anything, anybody who has
an interest in any topic that is part of the
American experience, or you can go to the Library of Congress.
We're putting it there. Our country has made this commitment
(16:42):
to preserving its culture. I mean, culture is everything, and
it's there, and it's you know, I mean, something catastrophic
would have to happen for it not to be taken
away or to have it restricted. And I'm just just
(17:03):
you know, crossing fingers that something like that could never
ever happen. And when you know, you walk through the
cab and you just get the sense of the US
Capital is a very very emotionally powerful experience to step
into that. I think where we look, I didn't get
(17:24):
I've been to the Smithsonian, didn't get there this time.
So many beautiful did you walk around?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Did you go to the Lincoln Monument?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
And yeah, well look just a very little bit. There
just wasn't time. So I walked from you know, I
walked from when I got parked at the National at
the Union Station. I walked to you pass the Capitol
to get to the Longworth Building, and then everything was
on foot moving through the Capitol just a day of
(17:51):
It was a day of optimism. It was a day
really of wonder to see what's there, the spirit of
the people who manage all of this, who make it
available to all of us to come and have that experience.
You know, don't let anyone tell you you can't have
(18:14):
something if our country, our country makes it available. Our
heritage is readily available for anybody to see, not filtered
as it is. You know. I just think it's incredibly optimistic.
(18:34):
And I think all Americans and anyone who believes in
the promise of America should take great comfort in knowing
that all of this is there on every conceivable topic.
And it was just it was a very moving, affirming day.
And to have gotten this invitation and to have them
(18:56):
roll this out because they want to. My host is
on a mission to make sure that or to do
what he can do in his way to make sure
that people understand the goodness that people in Washington see
reflected back at them, the goodness of America. He wants,
(19:18):
he wants those people who manage this to be touched
by people who are and by properties, by mindset, by
all of that there is goodness out there's all of
this work. It's sort of this reflecting, positively reflecting experience.
(19:39):
I got to see this incredible heritage preserved, and they
got to see that someone like me. If Alicon I
invited Alison to go, she just was just couldn't you
know you would have loved it. You would have loved it,
and they would have loved to have met you. For
(19:59):
them and to see that, it's that these things are real,
that people believe in these things, whatever the topics are,
that there are people who are passionate about our country
and about what it represents is fuel for them. It's
just a very it's a very positive feedback loop that
you get, and so I just recommend it highly. You know,
(20:23):
you're you're sort of right there on the coast panel.
If you get there, I mean you could find oh,
I mean all of Steven Sondheim's stuff is there. Yeah,
you could look at anything that you'd want to see
and they will make it available to you.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
It's extremely amazing.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
I always feel a sense of all when I go
to DC, and even just standing in front of that
Lincoln Memorial is it's like a holy experience.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
It's just unreal.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, if you've never experienced it, go and do it
because it's totally inspiring and humbling, and yeah, it sort
of is the promise of what we could be, what
we could be.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's it's it is
fueling our or giving a foundation for the best of us,
for the for the best of what people can be.
The dreams for humanity are very much alive and well
in that In that situation, politics aside, and you can't
(21:26):
really totally ever put it aside, because but it's it's
bigger than that. Our capital is bigger than the politics,
and people need to see that and understand that it's
much more than what goes on in the evening news,
right
If you're listening right now to the Little House fiftieth
Anniversary Podcast, we know something about you. We know that
you're obsessed with Little House of the Prairie.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
For more than half a century, Little House on the Prairie,
the series, and the books have been bright lights for
people all over the world who seek out goodness, decency,
and human connection.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Here on the Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, we celebrate
everything that made Little House so special.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
The stories, the characters, the actors, and the messages that
have made Little House iconic family television.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And a perfect counterpoint to a world that feels like
it's going off the rails every day.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Where's Michael Landon when we need him most?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm your host, Pamela Bob And I'm your Prairie bitch
Alice at Aringrem and I'm Dean Butler.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Our hashtag imaginary boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Join us for our loving, quirky, and often irreverent conversations
about the finest family drama in the history of television.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And the imperfect people who made it that way.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
In this third season, we are extremely grateful for the
support of visit Seemi Valley dot com for their continuing
sponsorship of Little House on the Prairie and The Little
House fiftieth anniversary podcasts.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hey Bonnet, heeads, how are you doing?
Speaker 6 (01:18):
This is Pamela Bob, creator and star of Living on
a Prairie and super fan, and I'm here with.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Our hashtag prairie.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Well, I usually do you first, Allison, our wonderful prairie bitch,
Alison Aringram, and our hashtag imaginary boyfriend, Dean Butler. We
have a special drop for you this week because of
Dean was in Washington, d C. Because of travel issues,
we were not able to record a full recapped episode
this week, but we did do a Patreon that ended
(01:47):
up being about forty five minutes long, and it was
really quite amazing about Dean's time in DC.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
We discuss other things too, but we.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Wanted to drop a small segment of that conversation so
that you guys can also listen and enjoy, And if
you want to listen to the entire conversation, you can
join us on Patreon and we'll be there for you anyway.
Anything you guys want to add before.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
We did that, so well, it's awesome.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
That's the brief thing we've done in like three years.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well, I have my moments. Okay, thanks everybody.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Thanks for the support you guys, So we'll see you
next time with a recap. Enjoy this small snippet from
our Patreon See you next time.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
The Library of Congress houses essentially every printed thing, music,
art that is created in the United States and other
places in the world. They have all of it. The
Library of cong is the largest library in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm in there. You're in there if you that's right.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Well, and they even played be a part of your recording.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Shut the hell up.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
No, they did. I heard you start your recording, and
I said, I'm very familiar with this. I know her
very well. She is just the way she reads this.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Do they not listen to the podcast? Come on, I.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Think they're so busy curating books. They just don't.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Of course they are busy. You go all the way there,
just presentation. What did they make you listen to me?
Speaker 7 (03:36):
You know, it's like, you know, it's like two minutes
I listened to you and as you're starting your book.
But the point was that they have all of this,
so wow, So they have and they have. There are
fifteen members of the Library of Congress staff there who
have pulled our first editions of all the books. Wow,
(04:00):
they pulled examples of all the video that's there that
they have film that they have there. The thing that
blew me away the most is that all of David
Rose's original scores are stop it at the Library of
Congress and so. And they showed me. So I saw
(04:23):
the original writing of the Little House theme that they
You know, I don't read music, but the curator does,
and he's got his finger on the notes and he's
humming it for me.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Music. You've done all these musicals and you don't.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Are you read music?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
No?
Speaker 8 (04:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I thought you read I don't that I thought you
might be.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Yeah, No, I don't read music, but I mean I
sort of get Look when I'm singing something and I'm
learning it and I'm looking at notes and im a
sense of relationships and timings and all that. I mean,
I yeah, it's not total Greek to me, but if
someone puts something in front of me, I could not
(05:08):
plunk it out on the channel. So this was just
to see this. And then they showed me something. And
of course because it was becoming they pulled some things
that related to what I did on the program, and
they showed me a c sheet when the when a
(05:33):
show is spotted, it is it is transcribed in terms
of what's actually happening on the screen and the timings
of those things and the dialogue and everything that's happening.
That David was able to look at as he's writing
this music. I've never seen that. I knew the music was,
I knew the show was spotted, but I'd never seen
(05:55):
the form that that took. This is every moment of
music that occurs. It is this incredibly detailed document that
lays out every queue, every moment of the action, so
that David is able to support that musically. And I'm
(06:17):
just it just it just blew me away. And to
see this detail and the fact. And they said they've
gotten a couple of huge crates of this. They've just
started because David Rose's daughter just bequeathed all this to
the Library of Congress relatively recently, so they're just getting
it now. They're getting all his music. I mean that
(06:39):
you know, the scripper will be there, that all the
bonanzas that he wrote will be they'll all be there.
Everything will be there.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yes, yes, it's a ya.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
So that the heritage of this is is is very
secure at the Library of Congress. And I spent more
time with the music person than anybody else that I
spoke to. But he was just he was just fantasm
And I told him some stories about how I told
him a story which he did not know that the
(07:11):
Little House theme came out of an episode called the
Cattle Drive. That was a queue that he had written
for Bonanza. And essentially, now it wasn't probably note for
note exactly, but the basic idea of the theme was
in a queue from Bonanza. Wow, this was not surprising.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And you figure many cows running across the screen.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, she's like, wait, what what? What has happened?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
This was really really cool. He showed me people were
gonna love this. He showed me how the note progression
in our theme is the same as the initial note
progressions in the Star Trek theme.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
No, okay, this is.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
It's all about it adventure. It's stepping into.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
You remember what the Star Trek theme is. I'm not
I'm not a truckie.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
H oh no, I I am. I listened. I go
to sleep Road every.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
Night because wait, this way they we had the art
director guy. So the jeff Little House, Matt Jeffrey are
brought to you.
Speaker 9 (08:19):
By the same person, and then and then the same
we shot on the same sound stage, and and like
me and Shatner have like gone over all of this
and the cross and now you're telling me that the
music is connected.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
There's there's a way the way the notes are.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
The way he described it to me, is there is
through the history of music, there is a series of
progressions which have been used over and over and over
again to elicit certain feelings.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Right, Okay, Hamel is getting this because she's in music.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
She's all right.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
So here's the other thing too. That's amazing about music,
which which is why certain things resonate with people and
those same things might not resonate with others, is that
music is And this is not just woo woo, this
is scientific, this is quantum whatever. But music is a vibration,
(09:13):
and if it resonates with you, it's because you are
on you.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Are equaling that vibration.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
If you're on a different vibration and the music is
in a different vibration, you're not going to resonate with it,
which is so fascinating to me. But it's all it's
all energetic vibration. And so there are certain things that
just hit across the board. So certain musical progressions hit
(09:43):
whatever vibration that is that evokes the response that they
know they need to get right. So like think of
think of like John Williams right, like the Star Wars,
Star Wars Superman right, like the themes that evoke like adventure,
and and it's it's I'm not calling it formulaic, but
(10:07):
there's a certain something in music.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's primal, that's it exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And I mean on a vibration, it's level that.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Just hits something in human beings that is, I mean.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Brain therapy that use music. It absolutely goes right in.
And so yes, this totally makes sense.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh my god. And the whole way, I'm just pulling
up the Star Trek theme because I know.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I'll be like, oh, I watch it all the time.
So while Allison is listening for that, they they they
also had one of my pospit CDs there. I mean,
they've got my gosh, they've got my Pospitle recording CDs
that I own. And it's you know, if I own
(10:52):
that music, they've got it in the library of Congress.
It's safe. Uh wow, So I just I was just
I love that. They then they moved me to all
the and do you have the theme? You want to play.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It if it's loud enough. You're trying to make it
loud enough to I think this is as loud as
I gets. Let me see here go louder thing. And
now that you've.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Said wait now, I think, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
That's it. So it's it's I think it's in that
there's that little chord progression that before the theme actually begins.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It's right here, it's the wait wait here, it is.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Space, the uncharted frontier. I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It totally shows with the opening of Little Use.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I can't hear it.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
Yeah I can't. I can't either, But but it's.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
The it's almost the French horn opening from a little house.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
So it isn't that isn't that.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's amazing. It completely sounds like a little house in
the prairie.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
That's actually the freakiest thing I've heard in ages.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Yes, and there's a reason that our these two programs
have Well, Shatner loves our program. That's what it is.
It resonates for him. I mean, I know he has
a love hate relationship with Star Trek. But it's like,
but he loves it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He did exist.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
So anyway, then they took me to they took me
to Brail. They showed me the books in braille, and
you know how they are able to run braille for
people and they can run braille on anything, you know,
they so, but they showed me examples of it, and
I didn't realize the braille was always the same size.
I didn't know that. You know, we see books of
(12:45):
different sizes and configurations braille, which is why braille manuscripts
are so enormous, because they have to be the figures
have to be of a size that when you touch
them with your fingers, you that were those relationships of
the dots have to always be the same. It can't
be smaller on your finger or larger on your finger.
(13:06):
So I thought that was really interesting. And after that,
then they they took me to they took me to
Allison's recording of her books and that so that was
sort of the the finish of the you know what
I what I came away from is realized, look, this
is true for so many different things. I mean, you know,
(13:27):
there's there is so much, but they make it so possible.
Anybody who wants to know more about anything can sign
up for a reading card at the Library of Congress
and they will bring you anything you want to see
in reading. It's it's this incredible, incredible service that our
(13:51):
country provides to anybody who wants to partake of that.
It's just that gives me hope that knowledge is there
for people to be able to touch. And there's something
like what did they say, like one hundred and eighty
one million different you know, entries in the Library of
(14:14):
Congress system. So after all that, we did a we
did a brief tour and one of the coolest things
is we went into that the beautiful main reading room
of the library is that famous space where Woodwood and
Bernstein are, you know, are looking through through library requests
(14:35):
and they pull back and you see. So we're in
that space looking up at all the beautiful symbolism in
the ceiling of this rotunda. The Statue of Liberty would
stand inside the rotunda of the Statue of Liberty would
stand inside of the Capital Dome, it would stand inside
that reading room. I Jennifer Brawler lost her mind because
(15:01):
she said, this is where National Treasure was shot, and
the guy took out the guy showed us a picture
and there's Nicholas Cage sitting in seat number one seventy
eight in there. Well, Jennifer had to run over and
sit in the seat that took a picture of her.
And she said, you have to watch this movie on
(15:22):
the way home on the airplane. And I couldn't download
it in time, but okay, I will, I will watch it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's a really fun movie. It's great.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah. Yeah, So and then they took us deep into
the card catalog where they have something like twenty two
This is before it went electric electronic. It was like
a traditional card catalog where it started as handwritten all
the all every card was handwritten until yes, exactly. Well actually,
(15:55):
actually they have their own Library of Congress system, which
is different than doing so interesting that it's just a
different system. But they had it all set up so
that I could thumb through all the wilder stuff, and
some of it's handwritten and some of it's typed out,
but just this, it's all there for people to come
(16:19):
and see, and it just I guess the important thing
about this was that it just gave me this sense,
and anybody who's been involved with anything, anybody who has
an interest in any topic that is part of the
American experience, or you can go to the Library of Congress.
We're putting it there. Our country has made this commitment
(16:42):
to preserving its culture. I mean, culture is everything, and
it's there, and it's you know, I mean, something catastrophic
would have to happen for it not to be taken
away or to have it restricted. And I'm just just
(17:03):
you know, crossing fingers that something like that could never
ever happen. And when you know, you walk through the
cab and you just get the sense of the US
Capital is a very very emotionally powerful experience to step
into that. I think where we look, I didn't get
(17:24):
I've been to the Smithsonian, didn't get there this time.
So many beautiful did you walk around?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Did you go to the Lincoln Monument?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
And yeah, well look just a very little bit. There
just wasn't time. So I walked from you know, I
walked from when I got parked at the National at
the Union Station. I walked to you pass the Capitol
to get to the Longworth Building, and then everything was
on foot moving through the Capitol just a day of
(17:51):
It was a day of optimism. It was a day
really of wonder to see what's there, the spirit of
the people who manage all of this, who make it
available to all of us to come and have that experience.
You know, don't let anyone tell you you can't have
(18:14):
something if our country, our country makes it available. Our
heritage is readily available for anybody to see, not filtered
as it is. You know. I just think it's incredibly optimistic.
(18:34):
And I think all Americans and anyone who believes in
the promise of America should take great comfort in knowing
that all of this is there on every conceivable topic.
And it was just it was a very moving, affirming day.
And to have gotten this invitation and to have them
(18:56):
roll this out because they want to. My host is
on a mission to make sure that or to do
what he can do in his way to make sure
that people understand the goodness that people in Washington see
reflected back at them, the goodness of America. He wants,
(19:18):
he wants those people who manage this to be touched
by people who are and by properties, by mindset, by
all of that there is goodness out there's all of
this work. It's sort of this reflecting, positively reflecting experience.
(19:39):
I got to see this incredible heritage preserved, and they
got to see that someone like me. If Alicon I
invited Alison to go, she just was just couldn't you
know you would have loved it. You would have loved it,
and they would have loved to have met you. For
(19:59):
them and to see that, it's that these things are real,
that people believe in these things, whatever the topics are,
that there are people who are passionate about our country
and about what it represents is fuel for them. It's
just a very it's a very positive feedback loop that
you get, and so I just recommend it highly. You know,
(20:23):
you're you're sort of right there on the coast panel.
If you get there, I mean you could find oh,
I mean all of Steven Sondheim's stuff is there. Yeah,
you could look at anything that you'd want to see
and they will make it available to you.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
It's extremely amazing.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
I always feel a sense of all when I go
to DC, and even just standing in front of that
Lincoln Memorial is it's like a holy experience.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
It's just unreal.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Yeah, if you've never experienced it, go and do it
because it's totally inspiring and humbling, and yeah, it sort
of is the promise of what we could be, what
we could be.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's it's it is
fueling our or giving a foundation for the best of us,
for the for the best of what people can be.
The dreams for humanity are very much alive and well
in that In that situation, politics aside, and you can't
(21:26):
really totally ever put it aside, because but it's it's
bigger than that. Our capital is bigger than the politics,
and people need to see that and understand that it's
much more than what goes on in the evening news,
right
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