“The Lord Is My Shepherd” – Part 2 Recap! - Little House on the Prairie 50th Anniversary Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
If you're listening right now to the Little House fiftieth
Anniversary Podcast, we know something about you. We know that
you're obsessed with Little House of the Prairie.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
For more than half a century, Little House on the Prairie,
the series, and the books have been bright lights for
people all over the world who seek out goodness, decency,
and human connection.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Here on the Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, we celebrate
everything that made Little House so special.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
The stories, the characters, the actors, and the messages that
have made Little House iconic family television.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
And a perfect counterpoint to a world that feels like
it's going off the rails every day.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Where is Michael Landon when we need him most. I'm
your host, Pamela Bob And.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm your Prairie bitch, Alice at Aringrem and I'm Dean Butler.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Our hashtag imaginary boyfriend. Join us for our loving, quirky,
and often irreverent conversations about the finest family drama in
the history of television.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
And the imperfect people who made it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
In this third season, we are extremely grateful for the
support of visit seem me Valley dot com for their
continuing sponsorship of Little House on the Prairie and the
Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast. Right, okay, everybody welcome, bonnet heads,
help Helen. This is fam La Bob, your host and

(01:25):
star and creator of Living on a Prairie and super fan.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
I am here with our Perry bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
She's here with the glasses, looking cool, looking smart. It's
Alison arngrim Woo and also Dean.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Also.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know, I was gonna wear my glasses today and
last minute I decided no, no, I'll put in my
context there he is Dean Butler or a hashtag imagine
very boyfriend.

Speaker 6 (01:46):
I wear mine because I can't see without that.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I can, I know, but I literally was like, last minute,
I was like, no, I want more glasses.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
But you guys are on your glasses and look super smart.

Speaker 7 (01:56):
Well, for one night I checked my note fool, you
look how beautiful whose classes look?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
How those classes look? At these?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I know I do have fashionable glasses, and I look
in the mirror when I put them on, I'm like, no,
I look cute.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I look smart. This is fashion. And then sometimes
and I'm like, oh, that doesn't look cute.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Are you the are you like? Is it like the
sexy secretary look.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Of course, why not?

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Sure? Yes, is that what you're going for to secretary?

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Look, I'm going for these well, I certainly look.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
I know, I really like I never thought i'd like glasses.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
And I really like the fact that the frames are
sort of clear, disappear on.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
A certain kind of thoughtfulness that or may not be present.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Right, sure, all right, yes, right of course.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
You know I have several classes.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Even at the SeeMe event, I was like, I'm gonna
wear my glass.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
You know, I read better.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
My vision is better with my glasses than my contacts.
And I was reading all these notes and I thought,
you know what better safe than sorry. Let me just
wear my cool looking glasses and I'll just look cool
and I'll look smart and it'll be great. And then
I saw all of these videos and images of me
from see me doing these interviews, and I was like, oh,
I don't like count.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
That's all ego, okay, one, I'm let me just say this.
This has been a tough.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Week in the US of A. And uh, I was
so glad to watch The Little House on the Prairie.
Uh to feel comforted and warm and safe and like
there is love and compassion in this universe. So yeah,
House we always talk about being a safe space, but
this week, I really really there are some weeks you

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watch it and you're like, I'm just watching the House
in the Perier, And then there's some weeks you need
to watch a Little House on the Prairie to restore
your faith in humanity.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
This is that for me this week.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Nancy Grace. Yes, why is she bringing up Nancy Grace?
Nancy Grace the prosecutor, and talk to a person. I
met her, big fan, big fan if you didn't know,
loves us, loves us so much, and I was on
her for many many times. And she said, oh no,
I really watched the loves and pray. I watch it
for stress relief. And when I was a prosecutor before trial,

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if I was really freaked out, I watched Little House.
She said, Oh my god, I had this one trial
is a murder, which is so awful. And I had
this trial and I was so stressed out. I had
to watch two episodes A Little House on the Prarie
before I.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Went to court.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Wow, that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
And she said absolutely, And she said, you know it
was in the trenches in the courts as a prosecutor,
and I'd go, okay, okay, yeah, we'll have spray pray
and yeah, no she diehard fan, I heard bonehead. But
she's absolutely because the emotions, the catharsis and the taking
you out of her self that it was the greatest
thing ever.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah. Yeah, I certainly had a well talk about it
during the hour, but I certainly had a wonderful emotional
response point in the program. Right, it's very yeah, it's
very touching. So we are talking about you know, we're
no secret here. We started part one of The Lord

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is My Shepherd last week and it's actually it is
one episode. It's it's interesting how it's presented, but clearly
it all aired on December eighteenth, nineteen seventy four, so
it was.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
A two hour Yeah, it.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Was a two hour episode.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So yeah, back then there was no streaming and I
did get to see the whole thing and it ended
that night, so I was like, yeah, that was one thing.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Yeah, and we'll get to this.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I was I was wrong last week about where episode
one ended and were episode two started.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
But I think it's because.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
It so I know, because I was like, wait a minute,
where does this episode?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
So this is on Peacock.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Part two opens with Laura writing the letter at night
and then leaving. So I was wrong last weekend because weekend?
Why did I say weekend last week? I think I
was wrong because I think I thought it ended with
her walking to the mountain.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
But I think what ended up happening was I.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Started watching episode two last week and realized, oh no,
that's episode two, and in my brain that's where I
thought it had ended.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
But I was wrong? But should I? What do you
guys do want?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Is there any news you need to tell people before
we get into this?

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Do you have anything coming out?

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (06:44):
What's coming on? You do have something coming up?

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Just just airing? Thursday? Thursday, Thursday, Saturday, January seventeenth. Okay, yes,
the eighteenth is my birthday. I'm Will you still need me?
Will you still feed me when I'm six?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
You be here?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
You eat?

Speaker 6 (07:10):
God? You're still a kid?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
What am I doing?

Speaker 8 (07:14):
I said?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Okay? What do I love? I love Chili John's in Burbank.
I love chili, I met I like spicy too. I
like chili and I just got chili. John's business is
nineteen forty nine, for heaven's sake. But I discovered it
some years ago and I'm oh suy because it's like
chili do you want it? On beans? Do you want?
I mean it's just chili pasta on beans pasta. But

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it was insane. I mean they only started taking credit
cards a few years ago. It's like cash. The place
is not changed to court. It's amazing. And they have
even have Chicken Day, vegetarian vegetarian chili anything you want
and it's so good, and the little oyster crackers and cheese.
But they also have things like pineapple cream pies. Anyway,
I'm insane. I'm obsessed with Chili John's. It's like I
take people there. I've taken the French friends there, the
British friends there, and they're just like blow awakens. They

(07:57):
don't have that in England and they certainly don't have
it in France. Friends, just like it is Cowboy food
to take us for Cowboys, Cowboy food.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
Movie, Cowboy food and burd Bank. Yeah, there are a
lot of Cowboys and burd Bank. Yeah speak speaking of
cool places to eat.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
We we had a dinner last Sunday evening at Musso
and Frank Grill and Hollywood with our friends, with our
friend Charles Bloom.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Oh Charlie. Yeah, okay, so he says he's coming to town.
He's aunted passed away. We'll take you to dinner. Do
you want to go to Moose and Franks because again
the old school is one hundred years old, like says
this and Franks and that's like the the good place.
Like somebody comes in front of town because it's a
little h it's really really good. It's it's yeah, because

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you know the places where it's expensive and they bring
you like one little you know it's expensive, and they
bring you a platter with enough food for forty freaking people.
So yeah, you're not gonna you will, you'll get your
money's worth and then then some So it's fine. So
we said, okay, we'll take it. And he writes back,
how did you know Musso and Franks is where my
aunt took me and Franks all the time. I always

(09:07):
get the same thing and I look and I'm like done,
and you got to come And so it turned into
a thing and had you been? Had you been?

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Been?

Speaker 8 (09:18):
Have you no?

Speaker 5 (09:19):
And I had been? I think I've had. I've eaten
there a couple of times years ago. But we were
really in sort of I've eaten in the front room.
We were in the you know, in the bar room,
back in the back, in a room where we had
full view of the Allison Ellison rated the the major

(09:42):
table in that room last night. So it was the
five of us, Alison and Bob and Catherine, Me.

Speaker 9 (09:48):
And Charles best table, the place corner in the back
view the whole room.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
Filmed.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Were they filmed once upon a time in Hollywood?

Speaker 4 (09:57):
That room?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Wait, what's happening on Saturday the seventeen,
So we're.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Going we get this cuckoo idea. I'm a chili I
went into Chili John's. I said, I have an idea
because I kept reading how Chili John said, we have
the second room. We have other food now sand which
is for we can't seem to get this across to people.
We having a publicity day. So I go to Chili
John say get my chicken chili and the guy comes
and goes, oh my god, you're back. I love you.
And I said, hey, how would you feel if I

(10:24):
had a book signing here? He said what I said, Okay,
you guys need publicity. You need to know about the
other room. Knew that you're still in business. You're still
How about I come with the books? I announced it.
I have a book signing here. They can come by
my book, I said, but the deal is if they
want a picture with me, they get to buy signing. Alison,
that's so sorry, show me a receipt. He gets better,

(10:45):
and they went yes, and so we set it up
and the dean went, wait, wait, wait, book signing and
there's chili. There's chili involved, you said.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
He said, you had me at chili.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You are in baby, and guess what, Jennifer Donatti. Jennifer Donatti,
your b rose is like, would it be really bad
if I came and I brought some books? Fabulous, darling,
you should come. So yeah, it's like, yeah, there's a
bunch of prairie foot, a lot of people are coming.
There's other people people.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
So have you've gotten to say that there's a that
there's a nice because I haven't posted anything about this personally.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
I need to do that.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I had posted and then Chili John's asked me for
some pictures and they pulled up a little post. They
called you, Alonso, It's hilarious. I responded with a lemo. Well,
I don't know, but of course the fans love this.
They're all cracking up, going alone so awesome, and the
poster is adorable, and it's now everywhere, very ravery groups

(11:42):
and fans are reposting, and it's on my Instagram. So
I think it's a thing. I think it's a thing.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
For get on it, baby, get on it.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
Yeah, no, yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Eleven o'clock Saturday, eleven o'clock Saturday. I don't know how
long we're there, three, four or five, whenever we get
tired of this thing, but at eleven o'clock we will
appear magically at Chili Johnson Burbank and everyone should come
and eat thing. So if you don't like chili, they
have other things, they have lovely things, but boy did
they got chili. And you can see the beautiful place
in their new room, and why you should all be

(12:14):
eating there.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
This is great, this is great.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I will be there.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
I know you won't be there, but we'll take pictures.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah, save some chili for me freezing.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Okay, this this is what we've just done, is the
thing that we said we would not do anymore.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
But we've just gone. We've just the Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
So anyway, well let's but let's let's let's take us
to the title show.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Okay, baby, but first from ubn Go and Prairie Partners
and visit Seami Valley and our wonderful patrons.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, that's right, it's the Little House on the Prairie
fiftieth anniversary. Put all right, we're back here we go, Dean,

(13:16):
Why don't you tell us what we're talking about today?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Don't do it again?

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Right, So we're talking about the second half. I thought
of it as being and I've seen it set up
as two parts one part, but I think the way
it aired it was and I was not watching at
that point. It aired as one show the week before Christmas,
on December eighteenth. But we are talking about the second

(13:41):
half of the show. It's actually a little deeper than
halfway into the show where we start Laura is My Shepherd.
One of the most beloved episodes, and for very good reasons.

Speaker 8 (13:55):
I think it's established.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Don't you think it's the most famous episode.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
I think it is.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I would dare to think it's the most famous episode.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Years ago, one of our first reunion was it ninety five?
We went to Sonora. We went to Sonora in like
ninety six or something, and that was the thing is
that they had a big screening.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Of the ones because this was the yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Well you stand there in Kennedy Meadows and you look
up at that beautiful at that I mean, it's just
and the David Rose scoring is spectacular. It's truly great.
The show written and directed by Michael Landon. I think
the show I'm just going to say before we start
talking about it, I think the show is a little
is somewhat prescient to what Michael did in the year's

(14:41):
following Little House. Yeah, I think, uh, just just a bit.
So I'm sure this is been well discussed about it,
but it really makes sense to me, Allison, what happens
in the second part.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Does it happen?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Is more like it doesn't happen an issue? This show
is wild an award winner earnest bored nine, Shut up,
I have earned a sportmin stories. Okay, so this is
it is a mazo amazoid.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
For at seven minutes a day. Yeah it was. It
was a weird story.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, life is that's a story. So anyway, the
second half, if or two thirds or whatever it is
the Lord question, right, Laura's seven on a journey for
the highest place she can find, believing she can get
closer to Deven. The more likely is God will hear
because poor Reverendaldi, being metaphorical's closer to letter like climbs

(15:37):
the mountain. She runs across four states, gets to Colorado
or something somehow I don't know, and so somehow no
longer a prairie.

Speaker 10 (15:44):
Colorado that is clearly not in Minnesota, no Canada, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Ye all the way up there and something on the mountain,
war encounters Jonathan Jonathan, Oh where we heard that nigh before? Okay, Jonathan,
a troubled and grieving stranger played with quiet authority by
Ernest Borgheim. To put it mildly, the mountain becomes a
place of reckoning rather than punishment. Laura's faith shifts from
fear to trust, and when Charles finally finds her spoiler

(16:18):
alert doll they find her, she's ready to return home,
not healed, but no longer alone in her sorrow. It's
it's amazing because we've already had this thing where a
baby has died, she has flipped out and had the
worst case of sibling jealousy, like we can identify, but
we're like, no, this is really bad. When she freaks
out runs away from home, so we're already going, oh,

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I mean, Ma, Caroline Caracra is like, I'm gonna lose
two children. I'm gonna lose two children. She starts pacing
she can, and she's still in shot from losing her baby.
Oh and now the other child's gone. I mean, this
is horrible. And so it's the emotional stakes are just.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Like that just up here.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
It's just the crying.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Yeah, it's uh, well, I just think it's it's in
the episode, particularly the second half of the show is
steeped in this sort of mystical spiritual vibe that is
so so powerful, and yet it's it's not overwhelming.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
No, and it's not prey.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
It's yeah, no, and it's not.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
It's just there. It's so beautifully there. And yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
It's so matter of fact because he talks to me obviously,
he's like talking to God. He's like blah blah blah,
God is here, but he's so matter of fact. Oh yeah,
well of course God. Well yeah, I mean that's what
God does. I mean, of course, God here's you. Yeah,
what are you talking?

Speaker 5 (17:49):
God?

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, just talk And he's not and he's not creepy.
You're not ever worried about Laura being on this mountain
with a man like, there's nothing creepy about him. I
don't know how he really mastered it. I was watching
it going, my god, he really hit the right balance
of what the tone is for this where that it's

(18:10):
not preachy, it's not cloying, it's not creepy.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
It is so purely pure.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's so innocent and pure, and and she is also
so I think this is her best perform I think
this is her best performance of all time.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's heart wrenching. Yeah, and whatman like, God, she's incredible.
But this is like the man. The man had an oscar.
This is City Academy Ward where he's that good Ernest fordnite?
Did he went for Marty?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Was that the what he won? Mary loved that movie.

Speaker 7 (18:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Mar heartbreaking v. He knows, he knows what to do,
and so yeah he does. He's just like he's he's
obviously You're like, who is this guy? Why is he
so normal? It's like so normal?

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
It So this thing starts so right, so on on
peacock it op. This the part two, if we're breaking
it up into two parts, opens with they just had
the best day ever, and it's nighttime.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
It's the middle of the night.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Laura is writing her goodbye note and she leaves, and
she leaves, and then we see the cute Sunday morning
waking up Ma and it's everything's nice and perky, and
then they realize she is gone, and that's when Mary
spills the beatens.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Okay, can I freak out and do the nitpicky crazy things.
So letter dear Pa, not Ma, No, not dear Ma Pa,
Mary Carrie. If someone reads this to you, not to
my entire family whom I love, it's dear Pa, because
that's what it's all about. That he she thought he
favored the boy in the sun, and I'm going to

(19:46):
go trade myself to go get you your sight. So
it's all dear Pa. Yeah, it's really like weird, but
it makes sense for her psychology. This letter to her
mother jasus because this is all about her in Pauw
and the baby, right.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Right, Okay, So she walks towards this mountain. She gets
up the mountain.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
It's one of those long it's one of those long walks.
Michael loved the long walks.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
This is very this is this is one of those things,
one of those moments in Little House which you just
did not see on television.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
In that era.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
So cinematic, Yeah, camera, the music, just the beautiful chimes.
David rose with this. She's on this mission and the
camera just holds as she's walking towards it. It's an
absolutely beautiful setup for what is to come. And he

(20:44):
tells you, David, David, as.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
He always does, tells.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Us exactly the space we need to be in emotionally
or that we are, that he's putting us there to
step into this world. It's just absolutely extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Also, what I find interesting about that theme that you
know the music that he wrote.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
That d D D da da da da.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Okay, So it transforms the more we know what the
episode is at. So when she's going up the mountain,
and it's like the music represents like she's going up
a mountain right like where she's climbing, she's going.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
On a long walk. But by the end of the episode, that.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Music comes again and it represents an entirely different thing
of like this spirituality and this uh otherworldly experience and
what we're taking away from that, whatever that is we
might take away from that. The music then turns into

(21:42):
something else, which is so fascinating because it's the same
exact theme.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's the like the terror of the guys looking for
and then the triumph yes anyone else upset that she
didn't take the dog.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Oh I never thought about it.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
How much that freaked me out? And then I'm watching
him go, oh my god, she's running away and she's
writing what now a day?

Speaker 6 (22:03):
Well but she but she but she was going.

Speaker 9 (22:05):
To trade never come back. She would deprived with Carrie
and everyone. But she's writing, what like nowadays's supideah?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Right, right, right right?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean she leaves the dog, and that's liked because
if that means so permanent, she's never coming back. She
leaves the dog, so you know she's serious. She's going, No,
I guess.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
My sister's without the whole other level she has.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
She has this very very sweet line that you know
other than Jack and mister Edwards, Okay, you're my best friend.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Can we talk about this for a second. Let's let's
take it back. So she's she's on the mountain. She
sleeps on the mountain, she wakes up to a man
with that shot of that shimmering sun, and we just
see the outline of him, that that back lit outline,
and then he pops into the sun and we finally
see it.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
We're supposed to be scared for a moment, but then
then you're also like, is this a person because you
just kind of came out of the sun.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
That's right, sort of other world.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Where did he come from? What is happening? And the
two of them have begun this lovely relationship. We know
immediately he's no one to be afraid of. He is
there as a benevolent friend. But interestingly enough, I don't
remember the.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Last time I watched these episodes.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
It must have been years, years, years ago, because now
watching it again, as so many more of so many
of these episodes, it's like, oh wow, my perspective of
this is different now that I'm this much older. But
the beautiful spirituality in this episode and these little moments
that as a kid I did not fully pick up

(23:43):
on that I'm watching now going oh my god, oh
my gosh. And one of them was you know they're talking.
I have two things I wrote down. Lauras says, he's
talking to God. He's talking to God as if he
knows God on a personal level, and she goes, you
know God, and he is, And as a kid didn't
pick up on this at now I was like, wait what.

(24:04):
He responds we all do some sooner some later, which
is but what? And then later on Laura says, you
really know a lot about God, and Jonathan just sort
of takes a long look, sort of looks up in
a little bit around and he just goes, that I do.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
And it's just these little micro moments that.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
First of all, we know what this what this episode is, right,
so we're picking up on things that we wouldn't if
this had been the first time watching.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
But also as a.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Kid, you're not picking up on all those little little
micro moments he's putting in there so subtly and so
beautifully that now watching it, I'm like, oh my god,
it's all in there.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
It is all in there.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And he's tasking me things. At the same time he's
being this nice guy, but you're like, okay, so he's
dropping big hands high I might be angel I seem
to be talking about oh that I do wink. Wink
because I'm not a person. But it's also this man
lives on the mountain. He is the tradition of the
ancient tradition of spiritual hermits, winch away to live in

(25:14):
the forest or the mountains to commune with God. And
these are the people who wrote parts of the Bible,
who like and wrote great religious books, people over the
years who wrote that went away to study God and spirituality,
the Bible. This is what he's doing. He's a hermit.
He's living in the mountain.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's where he is. There's even a tarot card after
the guy. Yeah, right, right, So.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
He's doing both. So yes, we're supposed to go is
it an angel? But he's also going do you know
God that I do because I've been on this mountain
for like thirty freaking yeah, work some stuff out.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, And the lion, why did he go there?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
What terrible thing happens? Right for a man? Because he's
a man.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
If he's a man, If he's a man.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
What happened right? If he's a man, I get I
think he's a man. I thought, okay, well, and I'm like, dude, it's.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Well, it could be either. That's the thing we don't
officially know leave.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
It hanging, and I think min does both.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think we do find out least where
Michael's position is on it later.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
In the episode when.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
When Laura steps away, and what does he say? He
says something like he speaks to nobody.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
He says with a child like that, it makes it
all worth it or something like that.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
There you go, exactly, and he's not musing it under
his breath.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
He's saying it to someone.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
That's right. It's very It's a wonderful life with Clarence.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
Yes, absolutely, it's absolutely.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
I think what's so you know, what's so beautiful about
this is we come into this with Law with this
very strong sense of Laura's need. She is on this
very noble mission to fix something that she feels she
did terribly wrong. And Michael gave her this character, put

(27:12):
this character in place to help her solve that. Someone
who is prescient, to someone who is gentle, and someone
who is.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
Seemingly all knowing about everything.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
I mean when he even when he doesn't know, he
sort of knows as he doesn't know, right, I mean,
so's he's he's And here's.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
A beautiful, beautiful character. I think, you know, and I
think I want to say, I think the first time
I saw this episode, and it.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Probably was, you know, thirty thirty years ago, I mean
thirty forty years ago, the first time I saw this episode,
it was very clear to me in that first viewing,
and of course I'm an adult at that point that
they're starting with that first shot with the back lighting
on him, that there is something here.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
This just isn't a guy on a mountain that's there
for a reason.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yes, he's there for a reason.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
We are to think that. And as you said, okay,
and then later Hi, way to have it. Oh look
Jonathan and he's an angel. Yes, absolutely, Michael did nothing bad.
Michael was the wheels were always turning, and he also
reused it, as we know, okay, to be cynical. There
were episodes of Bonanza that kind of, of course magically
bear a little less because nothing was wasted, nothing was

(28:30):
thrown away. There were always things going on, and he
had some just bug some being his be about Jonathan,
an angel named John. Yeah, and it kind of this
theme kept coming back and was time to do a
new show. He went, what if the angel Jonathan showed up?
What if it was me, and then and then what
if Victor French is back and he's the guy on

(28:53):
let's do it, and all of the stuff came back
and and so it's it's brilliant. It's brilliant that how
he did that. But yeah, and you know, we had
the thing at the end of the dove and it's like, okay,
But I remember when we watches my mother said, oh, dear,
is there in this borg nine God? I'm not sure
I can quite process.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
That, right.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I know.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
As a kid too, I was like, wait, is he God?
Is he Jesus? Is he an angel? Is he is
a spirit?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
What is he? As a grown up, I'm going nice man,
he's to get away from people alone, and this girl
shows up and he quite rightly goes, oh wow, wait
what are you doing here? Because he is a sane
adult And it looks like I mean, as I said,
his closer in good repair, and he has pooradge. So
unless there's a goat or a cow hiding behind the rock, right,

(29:36):
there's some village he goes to somewhere to get things
once a year or something. But he's by himself, and
he wants to be by himself, and he's been by
a really long time and this child, and he's right
aways like, why is a little girl up in these mountains?
She's gonna die of exposure if not star this is terrible.
I gotta find ou why this poor child wears her parents?

(29:58):
What are you doing? He quite sensibly goes, I hear
you here, mom and dad kid, and then they run away,
and he's like, hey, I ran away a kid. Yeah, okay,
she's oh she's running away. Great, she'll be out of
here in an hour. Great, fabulous. So oh haha, yeah
you ran away. Well let's get you comfortably. And then oh,
your mom and dad, and he starts going, so tell
me more, mom that they must be awful. Oh no,
they're wonderful. I love them. And they say, okay, what

(30:20):
the heck. I've seen kids run away from home, join
the circus, get away. Her parents are lovely, she's running.
What the heck is going on? This terrible story? And
he's like, whoa, whoa, Okay, I got I have to
get this job back to our parents. Because he isn't
a good guy, he's saying, I gotta get her right here.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
So she's doing the sickle version of it, not cynical,
I guess. But the secular version of this, which you
can interpret as he's just a guy.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
He knows everything she's going to say before she says it,
and he's leading her.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
To share, and he knows. He goes, Okay, your parents
they're looking for you. No, they're not looking. And he goes, okay,
how many kookie runaway kids who went to see the
world went camping? You probably mostly boys showed up sometimes
and he had to go, son, you need to go home.
So he's probably heard this before. But I was a
little girl.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
This is terrible.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
So there's a river and he says, they're looking for you.
He knows where people the search parties go when someone's
lost in the woods. He's not dumb.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Don't of my angel experience.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
And she was like god tears and he goes, look,
I made you across that. I quite just happened to
astutely carve your name on in big letters. And then
you watch them, Oh no, let me put it around
your neck with this incredibly filmy piece of string. He
could have put a big fat cord on that thing.
He had leather from his stuff he made. He could

(31:44):
have made a leather lanyard and no, it's his little
tiny piece of strength that is not going to hold.
And you see him tie it find oh there, I've
died barely. I watch it. And then they go to
the river and she's like, I lost my cross, and
he goes, did your cross fall off your neck with

(32:06):
your name on it? Go downstream? Oh, don't worry, I'll
make another one.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Oh my god, she's giving cynic Okay, but what if
this was it an angel or something of the sort
and the plan who knew how it was all going
to piece together, and he was put it, connecting the
dots of if I do this, this, and this.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
I know they're going to be going here.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
If I throw a big cross with her name on
the river, it will go downstream and they can't miss
it because it's this freaking big and.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Sure and when and when pause, they're filling his canteen
distraught at the end of his robe and this you
see this thing floating like as as if being pulled,
which of course was being pulled right to him. I mean,
it's just it's all.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
So beautiful and so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
That's the big cross. That's when he.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
Have another one, that's.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
Me.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
They think you're going to find her edwards just like
and they go, oh my god, we're not gonna find
We're not going to find her. And he just cracks
he okay that and gets and then yeah, that's the kill.
That's where I die.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
I die.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
Let's take let's take a little break.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
And okay, and we still have so much more to
talk about.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
There's a lot to talk about in this episode.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
But we will take a break and we will be.

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Speaker 3 (34:21):
All Right, guys, we're back. Okay, we're gonna take it
back because we skipped forward.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Just the hair, just a tad, just a titch, So
we're gonna go back.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
And and Pa and Edwards are I think they've already
been out looking and then they're gonna go again looking
because they failed and they're bad. They're packing in mos
getting their canteens and water and lunch and blah blah
blah blah blah, and uh, baby, Carrie is.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Going where's Laura? Where's Laura? And then uh, and they're
just sort of trying to say, she just went away,
she went away. And then she says, which is actually
Harry says completely.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Audibly in my experience, understood weirdly audibly.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
She says, did she go with my brother?

Speaker 3 (35:08):
In which everyone dies on the inside and Ma can't
handle it and goes away. And it is a truly staggering,
staggering moment that that that landed hard, That landed hard
for me.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Oh my god, I'm.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Like, wow, Carrie's leveling the scariest like mementines. And you
see Ma, because I said she's lost her baby, now
she's gonna lose the daughter. Oh my god, this poor
woman and baby Carricus, what do you do? You can't
go stop a baby carry don't see that, you don't
know what my brother and they all have to go
that they had character.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Well, I think and I think they're always The thing
was so much of Michael's writing. So he's written this open,
so the audience knows that Laura's fine, but but Michael's
giving the family this moment of jeopardy to measure the worst.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Of what could be happening here.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
And Michael gives that to carry, to pose that.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
And it's so innocent. She doesn't even she doesn't know,
she doesn't know.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's upset, you know. Oh God, that was that was tough.
And then so then we're back.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Then we're back.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
We're back on the mountain and Jonathan has been carving
this wooden cross with Laura's name on it, and then
he gives it to her and then they go to
the river Heaven's Heaven's tears. You know what also I
like about Jonathan is that he uh he also talks
about God in a way that Laura has never thought about.

(36:38):
Certain things before that are really great that he's also
expanding her mind and what the idea of God actually is. Like,
you know, Alison, you alluded to this last week. He
also talks about like people are so busy. It's the
same speech that Mau gives in the doctor's office when
the baby dies. Right, they're so busy, they're just thinking
about their themselves. They're not you know, And I mean

(37:01):
and she says, oh, it must make God angry, and
he says, yes, angry, but mostly sad, and she just
really stops.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
And goes, huh.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I never thought about God being sad like a person before.
And it I just loved that moment. I don't know
about you guys. That moment really hit me. Was it
was seeing you literally saw the mind of a child
grow in that moment of expand in a way of
broadening her horizons in a way so innocently. Also that

(37:31):
she had never thought of it that way. I don't
know why that moment got me, but that moment really
got me.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's because and he as you know, whether he believes
the Angel so he knows him, or he's a man
who has really had a lot of time to think
about the nature of God, the nature of the universe,
the meaning of humanity and personality, and say, we're all
getting this wrong. God loves us, and God is sad.
God is hurt when he sees this suffering and her

(38:01):
just going what.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
They've also got a dove, right, they found a dove.
You're voting for anel teae.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Mister, mister, you know, very skeptic.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
In the context of the storytelling, it's very clear.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, me too, And I like it's a dude. But
he definitely knows his stuff. He knows his stuff. He
gets it.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
And also this will matter later. But they found this
dove with a broken wing, and they're tending to the death.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
The other thing that happens is so they go down
to the river with head in his tears and her
necklace the giant cross with her name on it.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Miraculously, yes, it's.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Watching as it happens. He doesn't stop it, He just
well actually does he does. He He does say something,
but it's too late. She can't get it.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It's washed behind your ears. Did you notice that the
string was over her hair? Like, who ties the thing?
You didn't pull up her hair? It's over her And
he goes over to wash my ear so she goes
like this, like the string broke.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Whoops? See interesting something else like it just as an
overall thing, one of the one of the rare times
in an episode where we see Laura without pigtails. Yes,
her hair is down, the braids are gone. She's it.
Why do we think? What's the thinking? I mean, she
got up and left early in the morning, she braid

(39:32):
her hair, But what is there something larger there?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
You said that because I thought that the whole episode
like that. That's cool that they made the choice her
hair not to be in the braids.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I mean one, okay, first of all, it's gorgeous. That
girl has gorgeous hair. Hair, It makes it more stunning,
Oh my god. But then it lends itself to she's
in the wilderness. It gets messy, it's primary, and she's
in this she's left, she's because like it's the Also,
is any of this happening? Is he an angel? Is

(40:03):
he even there? What has happened that she's in this
other realm? She is now in this hermit's world, this
spiritual realm with just him. So we're not we're in braids,
we're not going to school. And she's also gone to
like to hand herself in. So maybe she went, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(40:24):
he's gone to this other world.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
But that's another theory, Alison, that maybe he wasn't there
at all, like.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Maybe okay, pop off the cross, So I guess that happened.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
And he made a shed like he built.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Lovely shed with the pine bounce.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Okay, okay, so that happens, and then so he he
They have a conversation about God and she does tell
him what actually why she is actually on the mountain.
She does confide in him because since he knows so
much about God. She she asks him and says that
she wants to make a swap with God, that she

(40:58):
wants to replace her brother so that the brother come
back and Bob.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
And have the boy that he always wanted.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
And then again they have the speech about he has
the little speech about everyone's so busy, busy, busy, which
is the same speech Ma had in the doctor's office,
and uh, Laura going on, I never thought about it
that way. And then she goes to talk to God
and she turns around. I wrote this down because this
was another moment that I went, oh, oh my God,

(41:24):
that she said.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
I wanted you to know.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
She says, if Jonathan, if God God, if he answers
me and everything works.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Out, all right, I won't be seeing you anymore.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
And I wanted you to note that, except for my
dog Jack and mister Edwards, you're my best friend.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
And then and then he answers, and this is the
part that killed me. He answers with thank you, Laura,
but whatever happens, we'll see each other again. That broke
I mean, there are a few moments in this one
that that broke me. That was a definite one that
I was like, okay, okay, he's an angel.

Speaker 10 (42:07):
Yes, yes, yes, each other mans.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
And because he's also rightly and you see it in
his eyes, because he's her just born nine, he stays
totally calm, but you see that he's horrified. She's telling
him she's gonna try to trade herself die to get
her baby brother back. And he's like, okay, yike, so
wow back slowly and you can see, oh, no, yeah,

(42:35):
I got to talk.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
I don't think we I don't think we have any
sense of what Laura is prepared to do to be
to She's yeah, she doesn't know what the swap is.
She's waiting for some communication, which she's having the entire.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Time, but she doesn't realize she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Finally communicating with God with this guy. But yeah, she's
hoping for a lightning bolt or goddam, it's gonna come down.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Yeah, she doesn't know what it is, but it's like, yeah,
there's something.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
She's hoping for something.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
But.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
To be closer to God having all these conversations with
this guy who really knows this stuff. But the poor man,
because Ernest Borgman is playing like seventeen things at once.
You see the pain where he's like this poor little
girl and he's like, wow, really good. And then so
when it's like maybe maybe we should say, how about

(43:32):
we light a really big fire, because he's like.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
You're jumping ahead. Hold on, there's more to talk about.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Hold on because the next moment is also the ultimate
I am broken, this broken moment. Okay, Okay, so now
we go back. We're back with Paw and mister Edwards.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
They've been searching.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
This is day two or day three or whatever of
the search, right, they cannot find her, Paw. There's so
much to talk about this moment, Okay. So, uh, Pau
decides he's going to put some water in the canteen
and he uh, we see him. He's he's struggling, He
is struggling. We see him trying to repress, suppress these

(44:14):
emotions to.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Be brave and good.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
That's right, yes, And so he's like, just I'm gonna
put the water in the canteen and he gets off
of this horse and he has the breakdown of all breakdowns,
which absolutely broke me. Broke me, hands down, broke me. Yeah,

(44:37):
that moment always broke me. But again seeing it now
years later as a like, oh god.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And these men, these two men, and it's the men, yes, yes,
mister Edwards and Charles, and he starts to lose it.
Mister Edwards is comforting, but it's.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Like he's just there a word, which is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yes, because you know he's there for you know, he's
there for him, you know he's there supporting him. You
all know he's shocked by this moment, but he's holding
steady for him.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
And Michael's saying, this guy would be a great sidekick
for me.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yes, keep this one around totally, I mean the way both.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
So yeah, yeah, you know, so he's probably was what.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
A moment And again another example on Little House in
the prairie, which I've never seen anywhere else of of
like alpha masculine men showing total vulnerability in front of
each other and whole and holding space for each other, right,
like what other you have a lutionary.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
This is nineteen seventy four and we have two macho
guys holding each other and go on and still be okay.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
It's just like, well, wow, this was I mean, I
think this very thing you're talking about now is one
of the things that was in the in the zeitgeist
of talking about the show. That emotionality was something that
was a major point of commentary about the program. It's
like you pause crying every other minute, and he's I mean,

(46:17):
this is very but this is a moment that we're
talking about now where this is a very earned moment.
This doesn't come out of nowhere. This is and this
is a beautiful moment of sort of well of despair
of and comfort. And of course this leads to this

(46:39):
leads to Paul wading into the stream, break and the
stream and and God's tears are falling in here comes
the cross and.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
So what makes so he's breaking and you see Charles
really really break and cry and it's devastating because it's
a father who lost his child. Others who lose their
children on TV and movies all the time. Father who's
lost is expressing in my brain. So you're like, oh no,
this is Tara Okay, So who here cry harder when
the Cross shows up because this is a thing that

(47:13):
happened on Little Housepit all the time. And why it
works and why you cried is they did tension, tension,
tension release, Yes, yes, yes, and you get awful, awful, awful,
what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?
And then the music goes D We're saved and you go, yeah,
like I said, one episode makes me crey the raccoon.
Oh it's not jazz, buter he doesn't have right he

(47:35):
It's gonna lose my freaking mind because he does the
pause this kind of thing and here it is. It's
gotten as bad as you think it's ever gonna get.
And he's crying. And then and the cross shows up
and he sees it and Socilo, they take forever, they
take forever. That's he perfect, perfect, and again the audience
we all know what's on the cross. And then he

(47:56):
has and he sees his name and you watch his
bring good. Why is there a cross? Why is her
name on it? How is that even possible a human
being had to make this? Why is this in my water?

Speaker 11 (48:07):
What?

Speaker 1 (48:07):
And it all goes and then he loses his mind
and screams it. But it's when the cross arrives and
the way you go, oh my god, she's alive. And
now he knows she's alive.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
And they know that the cross came from upstreams, so
they know the direction they're going to look for her.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Now it's this is this is all Jonathan's plan.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
He he has laid this out. This is what this is,
what's going to happen. It's it's beautiful and we're racing
for the finish. This this part of the show, in
terms of total run time with the show is a
very relatively it's like a third.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
I know, but it feels so much.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
But it's so much deeper than because everything's been pointing
to it. Yes, and it's it's very powerful. It's very powerful. Yes,
and so well the fire comes after they start up
there going upstream and then they look up and Victor
looks up and there's the that iconic, that beautiful, hard
cut beautiful, you know, chime with David Rose and they

(49:17):
know they know where she is and just and they.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Flip out and go. But there again the angel or
dude who lives in a mountain, says the angel. The angel,
it's like, we need a big fire, so big and
you see you almost go. So your parents, I mean, God,
we're gonna build a big signal for her so that

(49:42):
your father.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Is smokey the bear would be very very upsetting. Yeah,
don't try this at home.

Speaker 8 (49:50):
There's a big risk in that.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Of course, they are on top of a mountain, so
it was just only how much farther up.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Can it go?

Speaker 5 (49:58):
But it's it's but it's a great moment. I wondered
if that moment was if they really did light a
fire and child that or if that was it's like,
I can't imagine. I can't imagine, and today you would
do that with cgi you smoke? They probably and Luke

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the special effects. It circulated some special smoke that was
very bright and they're very white. And because that's not
the way necessarily that smoke would come off fire, so
they made it again that's.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
Jonathan, really, you know what happens.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
They had the fire Marshall and the Fire Department up
there and they head on the back and.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Luke is the earth Angel, and Luke.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Went, here's how we set a fire with that burning
down the whole forest. Guys, and they are beautiful special
effects me. But there was no CGI and it was
nineteen seventy four where you could say, hey, I want
to light a giant fire in.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
The fire yeah today, and you.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
We I I saw much fire during the run of
Little House, and there was always there were people from
the Fire Department right there, right there, right there, so
we never we did.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Not have.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
I think it's cool that your props it was was
he was he the props.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Guy, Luke.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
No, Luke was the special effections.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Okay, there's something very cool about the special effects guy
named Luke.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
I don't know why. Don't ask me.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
There's no explanation other than that's cool, very cool guy Luke.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Then Elmer Fud kind of.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
I mean that's sort of the vibe that Luke had.
And I think Michael.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Loved Luke, and he mean, Luke made all the buildings
blow up. Luke made Luke knew his stuff, and so
he would have known how to make that white smoke
and Rose was perfect. This is a perfect white stream
of smoke.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
We had a lot of guys in her career, like
she's like very honest, assuming regular dudes, and then then
you watch this and then they would do like these
insanely brilliant things. And that's what it was. The ones
he least suspects. The dude who seems like Elmer fun
and he's a master of pyrotechnics and special effects. Go figure,
love it.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Love Luke.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
We love Luke.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Okay, okay. So so they see so they they're climbing.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
I mean they start that they're really on a pace
now that they're bringing the horses up the hill very steep.
You really see these horses really working climbing. It's too steep.
We gotta go on foot. They both get off and
they claim Michael comes up that rock face. I mean,
this is one of those Michael was so fit.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yes, I was thinking this too, Like, my god, the
way he's moving geez.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
He really yeah, he he had the capacity to, you know,
to really get on his feet.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
And movie was strong. He was fit. He moved very well.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
And all of that. Now Victor was not right with them. Victor,
Victor was not going to be as agile jumping up
the hill.

Speaker 6 (53:14):
It was Michael's moment. Yes he was, wasn't he was?
He there?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
He was there, but he sort of he just doesn't go.
Michael gets off.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
And runs and she's to tie up the horses and yes,
really I.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Saw that where the horses it's all they can do
to get him up that slate that's going and then
they go and how did the eight year old girl
get but okay, we don't.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Ask such questions.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
But anyway, so Laura and Jonathan are up there, she
goes to pray to talk to God.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
She's doing her like final talk to God moment where.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
She's like.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Proceeding preceding that. Isn't that the moment where we see
a child like this makes it all work?

Speaker 8 (54:00):
Wo Yes, yes, that's.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
That's that's after she says you're my best friend and
she praised.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that. I mean for
me that was watching it last night after in the
for the empteenth time, as we're looking for those marketers
to go out.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
You know, at that point, Allison, this is not just
a guy.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
You know, some old hermit's sticking with that story. But
that's not what it is.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
He's a really smart.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
Just talks, just talks to nobody.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
He knows what to say to that girl. He's like,
he's like a PhD in psychology and almost, Okay, you're.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
Just being you're just being arbitrary.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Now he's really he's had a lot of time to
think about that, a lot of time. Really smart.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Okay, Well, in cinematic fashion, she praised it's gorgeous and
then she says, she says, please God answer me, and
then we hear Laura calling her and she's like, what
the God like and then realizes no, this is her
dad and she's like no, no, no, this wasn't what
I prayed for.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
I don't want him to find me. I want to swap.
So she starts running away.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
And this was number like eighty seven in this episode.
That also broke me was that she's funny.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
It's the moment for me, for you, this moment, Jonathan
was the moment for me.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Well what I hear decision a sign and you hear Laura.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Well, so she runs because she's like, no, I don't
want him to find me, and Jonathan grabs her and
stops her, and she's like no, no, this is not
what I wanted.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
This, this isn't what I wanted. And he said, yes
it is. This is the decision.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
This again not spoken by a hermit on hill. This
is someone who knows things.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yes, this is a really smart.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
This is someone who knows things.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Yeah, he doesn't know who is hermit doesn't know who
this guy is and maybe he could be.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
No, Jonathan knows.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
And she and she says down the law and tells
her no, no, child, No, and he no, and Jonathan
says no, God has made his decision.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
And and how else could your father have found you?
And she's like, well, well, how do you know? And
he says, he told me, child go to him, which
again like the Kleenex. I was watching this with Margot.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Margot was watching this for the first time, and I
am bawling Balling's beautiful moment.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
And then of course then then.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
That which leads us to the most the moment, beautiful
moment perhaps ever in the series.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
Everything. It is a beautiful, beautiful moment.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
I think this is something that sets little house in
people's hearts, that it's really.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
The hook that this is. This is you know what
this is about?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
It?

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Yeah, and what you know where this series is and
what it stands for. And this beautiful moment father daughter
and and I think Melissa has spoken about this moment
so many times through the years as to what this
moment meant in that in her relationship with Michael, how
that set it for her.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
It's so beautiful when he finds out any parent, I mean,
you must have just been besides any parents. Your child's missing?
For god, is it days? Is it weeks? We don't
even know, and it's just heartbreaking. Is just incredible.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
And the two of them are so in it. I mean,
there's just no acting involved whatsoever. They're just so in it.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And Okay, ready, here we go, Here, here I go.
Here's gonna be my one. Michael Landon comment of the day,
which is he.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Has never looked better. Is so gorgeous in this episode.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
My god, the stubble, the tan, the crying, the vulnerability,
the masculinity, the devoted father, the love is just like
this is everything any woman could ever want in any
man ever, and just he's just also so physically freaking beautiful.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
This is like the the ultimate Bah.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Episode and the man who will save a child. You're like,
I'm dead and that's it. But this episode was forcuses.
First he knew women. Women were the big audience. So
this scene, every child, every adult who wishes they had
a wonderful father goes and loses it. Let all the
women go. I cannot believe if they're showing this on television.

(59:01):
Wowsy to right?

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Exactly?

Speaker 8 (59:09):
There were.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Everywhere are looking over their wives shoulders as.

Speaker 6 (59:17):
They're streaming the tears in their face, and they're saying, I.

Speaker 8 (59:20):
Am so screwed.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
That's exact.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
I have no shot here.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Who the hell did I marry?

Speaker 5 (59:31):
Okay, yeah, well I have no chance here.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
But I can never be that No, of course not.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
But what just again, what an amazing example as a
man to put on film, this example of a man.
I mean, I talk about it on Bonnet Anonymous episode
and living on a prairie, right, like he can be strong,
but but soft, he can be masculine, but like he
can you can be all of it and it doesn't

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deplete or diminish your masculinity whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
If anything, it makes it bigger and better.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Right It just, of course, of course, is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Toxic masculinity when it's right. We want to see a
real man, but not the time that this is that's right,
is right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
We don't want a strong man, we want a real man.
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Yes, I think that you know the way that men
have been and culturated for years. I mean I think
it's the rare family that creates that space for a
sun boy. You have that kind of access to emotional life.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Just isn't that isn't the normal.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
It's not that it's all in there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Oh, it definitely is in there. It gets suppressed, repressed,
squashed down.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
It just is not given space because it's perceived.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
It's perceived out of insecurity, as weakness, out as vulnerability, weakness.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
And we were seeing we're seeing this all through our
culture now where.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Our society to jells, boys don't oh no, you don't cry. No,
I mean that's for girls.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I couldn't imagine thing to do. It's terrible, it's abusive,
it's terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
It's it's well, it's depriving people of the fullness of
their it's it's it's and it's no one's doing it
to be mean. They're doing it thinking it's it's it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
A culturally appropriate right, right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
But you are in doing this, someone is being deprived
of the fullness of their or being limited in how
they can express their.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Humanity, and because of that they grow up to be
people who then limit others. Who who I mean, it's
just like this cycle of like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
This isn't this isn't what.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
I couldn't have this, you can't have it either, and
you know it's it's that kind of it's that kind
of thinking. Michael was certainly a conduit for the consideration
of what masculinity.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
It's so interesting, it's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
And I wonder whether that stemmed out of his growing up,
whether he was not allowed to cry because he had
this horrible mother and parentage and and yeah, and I'm
sure this was just a way for him to finally
release everything in a way that says, see, it's okay,
this is okay for us to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Oh. I felt like the show was so much therapy.
I said, we were all in group therapy with Michael
for seven years and it went very well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so they find each other.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Laura does realize no, she is supposed to be with
her paw, and then she's like, and look, meet.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Jonathan and there is no Jonathan is John.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
They're looking at her like she's a little crazy, but
they also see this shed that he clearly built and
the cross that he clearly built, and uh so someone
and she says he was taking care of me, which
is also so sweet.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
But it doesn't look like my sense of it is.
Looking at last night, it wasn't really like an active campsite.
It's like it's pristine. When they go back to it,
it's like it's like nothing was there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Yeah, was there?

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
And so again not a hermit who's just packing up
his stuff in a bag and running away.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
No, it's the summer ship. There's not I love, I
love how both you know pawn Edwards. Their first look
when she starts go oh yeah, there's this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Is like what you jacket?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Look at her like, oh my god, what the hell
was she talking about? Yeah, and then she's like the well,
there is a thing, and somebody built the fire, somebody
did something crossed and she's and also how did she
not buy of exposure? How did she not starve together
to hydrate? Someone's been getting her food and water and
keeping her from freezing to death overnight? H what is going?

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
And then the dove, Yeah, we never see it again.
And then the dove they were taken care of in
the tree that flaps away.

Speaker 12 (01:04:07):
But so do we think that that Michael, Michael in particular,
because he was the one that was right there, is
thinking that there was some spiritual experience here or he
just isn't really he just he's just so glad to
have her back.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
He's not really thinking about what she's describing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
What do you think, Allison.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
It's like it's like the Twilight Zone episodes are like
did this or did this not?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Have it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Was he or wasn't he? What really yet? Like okay
and he has to quit he and you see the
wheels going. He is questioning his ideas about God and right, okay,
did she just get really lucky and there was some
dude up here who perform miracles and save my kid
who I'd like to thank, frankly, where is the guy?
Or did she hallucinate all this but somehow had food

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and water and was kept warm, or did in fact
an angel come down from heaven and save my daughter
and help me find her? And I don't really know.
Oh my god, He's going to be in church with
Revenalden every Sunday after this. Yeah, like everybody said, yeah,
I'm just I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Ask that is the beautiful open ended view of this
that allows anybody to be in any emotional spiritual space
that they're in. I think that's the genius of this
is that he's not making He doesn't come out and
say anything.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
But he sues it in a way that you can
infer things.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
But he doesn't tell you that's way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
It is your left and mister Edward's face victor of
what a performance, mister Edward. Mister Edward's not the church
going man. Remember, he drinks. He feels God let him down.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Because and he's going, uh huh.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Right, last his last look up the hill before he
turns and follows. But it's a little it's a little
skeptical and a little grateful.

Speaker 8 (01:06:05):
And it's it's you know, it's a little nervous.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
I thought he looked totally.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Nervous that yeah, maybe this wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Maybe there's a lot and he's here. Wait does that
mean he knows what I did last week?

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Did he know me? Okay? Wait there there mightn't be
a God here. And I've been telling her myself, there
isn't Okay, what's the terrible?

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
And I love it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
You get all that and you too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, it doesn't say word because it's a French.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
And this episode is so good because it does leave
us with this conversation that we're having where you could
have three or four different perspectives of what it was
and none of them are wrong except you, Alison, You're wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
But no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
He turned into a white dove and flew away because
he was an angel, or.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
When when I've heard what we've heard for years and
and you know, part of the part of the magic
of this the entire series, was that Michael was creating
stories that he wanted people to sit and talk about.

Speaker 11 (01:07:13):
Well he got this episode, maybe as much as any episode,
maybe more than any episode, was an episode that would
have stirred thoughtful conversation, rational thoughtful conversation from people of all.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
Ages who see what they see and feel what they
feel and make form their opinions about what they've seen.
And it's a beautiful opportunity for people to be able
to consider there. From there, from the point of view
of aging, experience and gender and all of that, you
are processing what you're seeing and it's a really, it's

(01:07:55):
just a brilliant, beautiful opportunity for people to communicate with
this in a different face.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Because if you're a Protestant American Christian, well, of course
Jesus and then but if you know, I mean, I
don't know, it's the burn and bush, it's Jewish, it's
you're getting a little everything, and you can anyone if
you go okay. So there is a supernatural force at
work here. There is God, There is someone watching. Is

(01:08:24):
this man in a human who is in direct contact
with the spiritual the other world with God? Is he God?
Is he an angel?

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
What does this mean? Are there people who are this
spiritually connected that they could do this in this situation?
What would you do if you happen to be a
hermit on a hill? Would you be this school?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Well, it was really interesting watching.

Speaker 8 (01:08:55):
He's like the best dude ever.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
But the best dude ever.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
I think what's so beautiful about this episode as we
wrapped this up, is this this episode gives everybody, no
matter where you are on the spiritual spectrum, an opportunity
to consider post That's it exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I was going to say.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
I was watching this with my seven year old daughter
Margo and because I wanted to know what her you know,
we watched part one last week, but she was totally
into and then she really wanted to see part two.
And halfway in the middle she was like, he's God,
or she went he's coming from God. He's from He's
from God. And she was saying this out loud. She
was going like, he's and then at one point she

(01:09:36):
was like, I know what he's gonna do. He's going
to swap with God instead of Laura's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
And I was like, that's another theory. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
And then I was like, yeah, but then the baby
would have to come back, and the baby's not coming back,
and she's like, oh, yeah, right, But I mean, it
was so cool to see her little brain the wheels turning.
And she also got it, man, like she yeah, she
got it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
It was so cool. It was so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
But like wells, Victor Frindship, mister Edwards is a he
starts questioning.

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
You see him go yes for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
It's so brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Everyone, And it is brilliant, and it's and it's not
tied up with a shiny red ribbon. It's left ambiguous,
which is the best part. There's nothing there's no preaching
in here, there's no cloying, there's no like, hey, everybody,
you should believe this, this and this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
There's none of that, right, there's none of that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
And yet, and yet David Rose is chiming at the end,
telling you what, telling us what we could very well be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
That's right, should be considering right, right.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
But there's something bigger than all of us working here.
And I think that's what that score. The score is bigger.
It's it's not earthbound. It's a bigger score than that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
And again, it starts off thinking one thing and ends
up you're thinking something completely else.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
While using the same exact theme.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Fifteens later, fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Years later, we're sitting here or go was he God?
Was he an angel? Was he God? He said, no,
he's a dude. No, No, he's talking.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
People will be talking about it in another fifty years
as they people continue to watch this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Yeah, it's that amazing. Ernest forg nine is so amazing.
He was always amazing, so amazing in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
This Well, that's our episode.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
I mean, yeah, you know, it's interesting because I purposely
haven't watched this in years, years and years years, because
we've all seen it a thousand times, and I was like,
I know about Jonathan on the Mountain.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
I don't need to revisit the one.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
And I was so glad I did because I got
so much more out of it than I had before,
which is so interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
So you know, hermit, god angel who knows.

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
As we are always evolving in our thinking. And it's
so interesting how it's so much about your state of
mind as you start to watch something. It's all filtering.
It's all filtering through us.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
And how do we living something except that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
You know, and we're playing it against our our own
beliefs and we're considering, and that's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:23):
I love that it is this open ended.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
It's not telling you what you have to think, which
is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
You can watch it over and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Over again, and oh wait, because I actually did. It's
interesting to say that because I actually did. I finished
it and then I was like, wait a minute, I
need to see some of it, some of the beginning again,
and I rewatched the beginning part two and I was like,
oh god, this is this is I'm getting even something
more out of this now just rewinding it after I
just watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Stuff I did not see in any of my previous viewings.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Yes, me too. It was mind blowing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Rewind what Yeah, everybody lets us come with age and
experience and whatever connection you may or may not have
with the spirituality, god, universe, whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
But yeah, all of it.

Speaker 13 (01:13:14):
Okay, than audience for riding with us as we sort
of stumble through our thoughts on this, and Alison with
their contrarian view of who Jonathan is.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
Love that. Thank you everybody for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
I'm gonna light some incense, pick an oracle card, and
take a yoga class after this, I think. Anyway, that's
it you guys. Wow, I just feel like we went
through a group therapy session together.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
That was fantastic, awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
I feel like I feel better. I feel better.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
You can cry Dean in front of us, will be
will be your edwards to your pa, all right, and
we need to do an all carry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Of baby carries. All right, baby said that are profound
that we just never thought about.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Okay, that's on the books.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
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